2023 NFL Coaching Carousel

[WVRed]

Teams already open:
Carolina
Indianapolis
Denver

Possibilities:
Houston
Arizona
Washington
Cleveland
LA Chargers

The Chargers are a surprise but rumor is they are the team Sean Payton is looking at.

[WVRed]

Broncos have asked for and received permission to interview Payton.

What’s interesting is Payton is looking to bring Vic Fangio, the Broncos former head coach, as defensive coordinator.

[JaxRed]

I don't think Chargers are any kind of possibility. Rich Eisen and his crew were saying there were rumors that if Dolphins lose Miami might fire Mike McDaniel. They said that only would make sense because the owner is kind of a loose cannon. And that with Harbaugh to the NFL rumors starting again, owner Steven Ross had previously been of the opinion that he wants Harbaugh in Michigan. But if he's not in Michigan, he wants him in Miami.

In passing they also wondered whether John Harbaugh might think 15 years is enough. But they assumed not.

I'd be real surprised at Washington letting Rivera go.

[Slyder]

Teams already open:
Carolina
Indianapolis
Denver

Possibilities:
Houston
Arizona
Washington
Cleveland
LA Chargers

The Chargers are a surprise but rumor is they are the team Sean Payton is looking at.

Las Vegas should but Moe Davis is a moron who can't see what's right in front of him is a dumpster fire.

[WVRed]

McVay could be on the list as well. I could see him being another Sean Payton in taking a year off before jumping back in or even John Madden in not dealing with the stress.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35401376/sources-sean-mcvay-future-los-angeles-rams-coach-limbo

[RiverRat13]

McVay could be on the list as well. I could see him being another Sean Payton in taking a year off before jumping back in or even John Madden in not dealing with the stress.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35401376/sources-sean-mcvay-future-los-angeles-rams-coach-limbo

I see McVay as more of a Gruden, staying out for awhile (but not nearly as long as Gruden). He just got married and I could see him staying out four or five years.

[redsfan30]

Getting Sean Payton requires trading draft capital, of which Denver has.....none.

[Sea Ray]

The LA Rams blew up their future to win it all last year. McVay isn't going to want to stick around for the rebuild.

I do think Rivera is in trouble in Washington and he should be. He didn't even understand his team's playoff picture last week and his decision to bench Heinicke was a poor one and probably cost them the playoffs. Thioe are fireable offenses.

I think we'll see Jim Harbaugh somewhere in the NFL next year

I think Sean Payton should pass on the Denver job

[GAC]

I think we'll see Jim Harbaugh somewhere in the NFL next year

You think so? Even though he may say otherwise publicly, there's something in the back of my mind that tells me he wants to return to the NFL, and under the right circumstances that suit him he'll bolt.

I see where Stefanski was included on that list as a possibility. I think he'll be under the microscope by Brown's management in '23 now that he's got his QB (and a lot of talent too). Time to put up!

[Sea Ray]

You think so? Even though he may say otherwise publicly, there's something in the back of my mind that tells me he wants to return to the NFL, and under the right circumstances that suit him he'll bolt.

I see where Stefanski was included on that list as a possibility. I think he'll be under the microscope by Brown's management in '23 now that he's got his QB (and a lot of talent too). Time to put up!

I think Harbaugh has decided that he's taken Michigan as far as he can. He wants to leave Ann Arbor saying that he caught Ohio State...He also doesn't want to deal with the new NCAA with NIL and transfer portal. Finally there's this investigation going on. A lot of signs point to him going to the NFL

[RichRed]

I do think Rivera is in trouble in Washington and he should be. He didn't even understand his team's playoff picture last week and his decision to bench Heinicke was a poor one and probably cost them the playoffs. Thioe are fireable offenses.

Rivera should be a no-brainer firing, but who knows with the uncertainty of the ownership situation. I’m beyond fed up with the organization under Snyder and really hope we’re near the end of this nightmare.

Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, and Kevin O’Connell all managed to escape the Washington orbit. It pains me to think of the alternate universe where we could’ve had competent leadership and one of those guys becomes Washington’s head coach.

[Sea Ray]

Rivera should be a no-brainer firing, but who knows with the uncertainty of the ownership situation. I’m beyond fed up with the organization under Snyder and really hope we’re near the end of this nightmare.

Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, and Kevin O’Connell all managed to escape the Washington orbit. It pains me to think of the alternate universe where we could’ve had competent leadership and one of those guys becomes Washington’s head coach.

I thought Rivera was a good hire at the time. He's been a disappointment

[Chip R]

Some say McCarthy is in trouble in Dallas if the Cowboys make an early exit. But Jones has really never been trigger happy with his coaches. Still, with Payton out there and possibly Harbaugh, he may decide to make a change.

[JaxRed]

Lovie Smith has indeed been fired by Texans. (as punishment for winning last game and costing Texans the #1 pick). I don't think Lovie is any kind of good coach, but he did get kind of a raw deal. He took over a trainwreck that was expected to be bad. NFL was getting lots of crap for firing 2 black coaches including a messy one with Flores.

Bunch of guys had been hired and they were all white except McDaniel who's the whitest minority I've ever seen. Houston was supposedly high on hiring McCown who had never coached. I think NFL asked them to "take one for the league" and hire Lovie.

One year later and they can move on. Houston has now had back to back (black) coaches fired after one season.

Organizational chaos aside, the job should should be attractive. Number 2 overall pick this year and all those first rounders coming for Watson.

[Sea Ray]

Financially Lovie is probably making out like a bandit since he had 3 yrs left on his contract but from a performance standpoint he really got a raw deal. I will make that point in the political section as I know how such talk is frowned upon here. No question there's a race issue here to be discussed

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/01/09/texans-fire-coach-lovie-smith

[KoryMac5]

Lovie Smith has indeed been fired by Texans. (as punishment for winning last game and costing Texans the #1 pick). I don't think Lovie is any kind of good coach, but he did get kind of a raw deal. He took over a trainwreck that was expected to be bad. NFL was getting lots of crap for firing 2 black coaches including a messy one with Flores.

Bunch of guys had been hired and they were all white except McDaniel who's the whitest minority I've ever seen. Houston was supposedly high on hiring McCown who had never coached. I think NFL asked them to "take one for the league" and hire Lovie.

One year later and they can move on. Houston has now had back to back (black) coaches fired after one season.

Organizational chaos aside, the job should should be attractive. Number 2 overall pick this year and all those first rounders coming for Watson.

I would think they would want a strong offensive mind there if they take a QB...Brian Callahan comes to mind if they don't go back to the McCown well.

[bucksfan2]

Financially Lovie is probably making out like a bandit since he had 3 yrs left on his contract but from a performance standpoint he really got a raw deal. I will make that point in the political section as I know how such talk is frowned upon here. No question there's a race issue here to be discussed

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/01/09/texans-fire-coach-lovie-smith

I never really understood why Lovie Smith continued to resurface as a head coach. He had a good couple of years in Chicago, but other than that hasn't really done anything impressive. He is a sub .500 NFL coach, now taking the Texans job wasn't going to lead to early wins.

Nothing in Lovie's recent resume screams hire me. And if you wanted to hire a minority candidate, there are plenty of better options than Lovie.

I do think the Texans job may be a pretty in demand job with all the draft capital they have moving forward. They just need to find a QB along with about half the league.

[JaxRed]

Denver has reached out to Dan Quinn, Raheem Morris and DeMeco Ryans. My theory all along was Denver was going to go one of two ways, since it appears to be a big mess there.

1) REALLY long term (8-10 years) deal with an in demand coach for major dollars. Because if Wilson is a bust, with all the draft capital done this is a long term fix. Quinn and Payton fall into this category.
2) A coach with not many options (beggars can't be choosers). I had actually previously mentioned Morris by name.

My guess is they go option 1.

[Rojo Rijo]

Denver should hire Brian Flores
Houston should hire Sean Payton
Carolina should retain/pay Steve Wilks
Indianapolis should hire Jim Harbaugh

[JaxRed]

Cardinals fire Kingsbury. One season after giving him an extension thru 2027. Once again, I'm neutral on him, but Cards org has been making stupid decisions. Like signing your QB a year before you have to, giving him an HUGE deal, and having to put in a bonus if he actually studies the playbook.

Edit: The GM who had stepped away temporarily for health issues, has stepped down permanently.

[Sea Ray]

Cardinals fire Kingsbury. One season after giving him an extension thru 2027. Once again, I'm neutral on him, but Cards org has been making stupid decisions. Like signing your QB a year before you have to, giving him an HUGE deal, and having to put in a bonus if he actually studies the playbook.

That's another rough job

[oregonred]

That's another rough job
Not really. NFC team. They have the #3 pick, the Rams are cratering and 49ers and Seahawks do not have QB clarity after this season.

[GAC]

Some say McCarthy is in trouble in Dallas if the Cowboys make an early exit. But Jones has really never been trigger happy with his coaches. Still, with Payton out there and possibly Harbaugh, he may decide to make a change.

Which Harbaugh? lol

It's going to be interesting to see how the Raven's management handles Jackson this off-season. Is he going to be out there next Sunday night? They'll milk it for all it's worth, but I'm betting Huntley starts. This is the second year in a row that their franchise QB has missed the last 5-6 weeks of the season due to injury. They didn't even make the post-season last year, and will he be able to play this Sunday a critical post-season game?

So what good is he again? And how much guaranteed monies should he get? Unless they now have some leverage, due to his injury history, to get a shorter term, less guaranteed monies, contract - I'd let him walk. If it's true he wants Watson money.

[Sea Ray]

Not really. NFC team. They have the #3 pick, the Rams are cratering and 49ers and Seahawks do not have QB clarity after this season.

Granted there are worse jobs but you're contractually stuck with Kyler Murray who (I think) has peaked and is on the downswing of his career. Elsewhere there's a clear lack of talent. Seattle and SF seem built to compete for the long haul

[JaxRed]

Denver should hire Brian Flores


My guess (as it was last year) is that no one hires Flores for HC. He fails the test of "is this someone I want to work with?".

[Rojo Rijo]

My guess (as it was last year) is that no one hires Flores for HC. He fails the test of "is this someone I want to work with?".

It may take more time before he gets another HC shot but he's likely going to get at least a DC job for next season.

[goreds2]

Sean McVay decides to keep coaching, stays with LA Rams


McVay is sticking with the Rams at their lowest point in his tenure after a year of what he described as heavy mental fatigue and stress. The Rams' innovative offensive mind has also spoken frequently about his desire to start a broadcasting career, although this break didn't appear to be about weighing a move to the booth.

McVay openly acknowledged a near-constant feeling of burnout near the end of the past few seasons, even while his coaching fortunes soared. He went 67-41 with the Rams, who racked up five winning seasons, four playoff berths, three NFC West titles, two Super Bowl appearances and one championship in his first half-decade in charge before everything crashed down in the past year.


McVay was still the NFL's youngest head coach after six seasons holding the title, but the job weighs heavily on a coach who laments his obsessive work habits and an inability to delegate responsibilities. He has spoken repeatedly in recent weeks about the exhaustion and frustration of this difficult season being compounded by the mental stresses of his grandfather’s death and his worries about his wife’s family in Ukraine.

“Tom Brady had a quote before about (how) he hopes that his kids can find something that they’re as passionate about as he is about football, but he wouldn’t wish that torment on anybody else, and I can really relate to that,” McVay said Monday.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sean-mcvay-decides-to-keep-coaching-stays-with-la-rams/ar-AA16k0kq?OCID=ansmsnnews11

[Sea Ray]

Sean McVay decides to keep coaching, stays with LA Rams



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sean-mcvay-decides-to-keep-coaching-stays-with-la-rams/ar-AA16k0kq?OCID=ansmsnnews11

This surprises me. We'll see how this goes

[WVRed]

This surprises me. We'll see how this goes

Me too, especially since he basically told his coaches they could leave for jobs and wouldn’t be blocked.

[Kingspoint]

The only QB's worth the big bucks are Herbert, Burrow and Mahomes. Everyone else runs too much and are always at high risk of missing multiple games, including an even higher risk of not making it to the end of a 17-game season, pre-season, training camp and finally the playoffs when they can't be hobbled.

There is an asterisk, though. Burrow is never going to be able to repeat what he luckily got away with during his playoff run last year, and that was the ridiculous number of sacks. Only because of his youth and some luck was he able to get away with it once. He'll never get away with it again. I know it's unlikely, but Cappa has to find a way to get back at some point during the playoffs, though if he can't, he can't, before Burrow gets a bad injury because of a horrible O-Line (sans Karras).

There's going to have to be an early double-digit lead for the Bengals tomorrow night, so Joe can hand off the ball in the 2nd Half 75% of the time, and the 1st Half 50% of the time.

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Me too, especially since he basically told his coaches they could leave for jobs and wouldn’t be blocked.

It's a sinking ship. It was honorable to give everyone a chance to get off of it sooner than later.

[plantmanky]

I am of the belief that no NFL teams want Jim Harbaugh.

[JaxRed]

I don't think Chargers are any kind of possibility. Rich Eisen and his crew were saying there were rumors that if Dolphins lose Miami might fire Mike McDaniel. They said that only would make sense because the owner is kind of a loose cannon. And that with Harbaugh to the NFL rumors starting again, owner Steven Ross had previously been of the opinion that he wants Harbaugh in Michigan. But if he's not in Michigan, he wants him in Miami.

In passing they also wondered whether John Harbaugh might think 15 years is enough. But they assumed not.

I'd be real surprised at Washington letting Rivera go.

I'm now not so sure about Chargers job.

[RichRed]

The Saints are retaining Dennis Allen. Good news for the rest of the NFC South.

[Sea Ray]

I'm now not so sure about Chargers job.

I think he's got to be in trouble.

[WVRed]

I think he's got to be in trouble.

Supposedly Sean Payton lives like three miles from the Chargers new practice facility that’s being built. He’s being courted heavily by Denver but his eye is on the Chargers.

The question is would Dean Spanos, the West Coast Mike Brown, make that hire?

[Sea Ray]

Supposedly Sean Payton lives like three miles from the Chargers new practice facility that’s being built. He’s being courted heavily by Denver but his eye is on the Chargers.

The question is would Dean Spanos, the West Coast Mike Brown, make that hire?

I think LAC is Payton's best fit

[KoryMac5]

I am a bit surprised Jon Harbaughs seat isn’t getting warm…his abysmal clock management last night was unreal.

[WVRed]

Frank Reich to Carolina.

I could see this working out as long as he settles on a QB.

[JaxRed]

I think Steve Wilkes got a hose job.

[Kingspoint]

Supposedly Sean Payton lives like three miles from the Chargers new practice facility that’s being built. He’s being courted heavily by Denver but his eye is on the Chargers.

The question is would Dean Spanos, the West Coast Mike Brown, make that hire?

Word came out that Payton is sour on the Broncos' Ownership Group fearing a power struggle would make things difficult to get things done.

He's in Arizona today for an afternoon interview.

[plantmanky]

I dont get the allure of Sean Payton.

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I think Steve Wilkes got a hose job.

Im with you a bit, I also think Frank Reich is a bad hire.

[Kingspoint]

I dont get the allure of Sean Payton.

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Im with you a bit, I also think Frank Reich is a bad hire.

Agree about Reich.

Payton seems to be an incredible game-planner and motivator. It seems that he would have to be considered as a Super Bowl contender whenever he's Coaching and involved heavily on the addition of players to a team. There's no way that Russell Wilson plays the way he did with Sean Payton as his Head Coach. He wouldn't have been stupid enough to give him all of that money in the first place, though. Anyone who played Fantasy Football knew that Russell Wilson was declining fast.

[Kingspoint]

Seattle is in no hurry to ink Geno Smith to a contract. They'll get one done, but they are definitely drafting a Quarterback. Drew Lock should see the door as he's a Free Agent. The Seahawks need some legitimate upside at the QB position as a backup to Geno Smith for next season. Pete Carroll seems to be pretty good at developing QB's, so a 3rd Round QB would be a decent pick for them. Brock Purdy was a 6th Round pick, so anything's possible in a good system with talent around the QB position. The problem is that the Seahawks do not have a Trent Williams at LT (and other quality Linemen to make life easy for a QB). One of the reasons Goff looks so good is because he has a Top-3 Offensive Line in front of him.

[KronoRed]

Not surprised about the NFL teams hiring guys who have been fired but good grief what do people see in Reich? Pederson's work in Jacksonville makes it even more clear that he was the brains in that operation.

[JaxRed]

Rich Eisen has Spidey Sense about Dallas and Dan Quinn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ZRLBWFm_0

[JaxRed]

Broncos had secret meeting last week with Jim Harbaugh. Per Ian Rapaport and Tom Pellisero. Broncos CEO flew to Ann Arbor.

[Kingspoint]

Broncos had secret meeting last week with Jim Harbaugh. Per Ian Rapaport and Tom Pellisero. Broncos CEO flew to Ann Arbor.

All that does is amplify the dysfunction in the Ownership Group of the Broncos.

[Kingspoint]

Chargers hired for Oregon Quarterback Kellen Moore, OC for the Cowboys the last few years, to be O. C. for the Chargers. That's a huge improvement over what they had last season and should be enough to put pressure on the Chiefs so that the Chiefs don't get to host another Championship Game.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/01/chargers-expected-to-hire-kellen-moore-as-oc

[Boston Red]

Chargers hired for Oregon Quarterback Kellen Moore

Moore played at Boise State. He did sort of own Oregon while playing for the Broncos, though.

[Rojo Rijo]

Broncos trade for Sean Payton.

Denver gets - Sean Payton, 2024 3rd rd pick
New Orleans gets - 2023 1st, 2024 2nd

Texans hire Demeco Ryans to a 6 year Head Coach deal.

[Kingspoint]

Broncos trade for Sean Payton.

Denver gets - Sean Payton, 2024 3rd rd pick
New Orleans gets - 2023 1st, 2024 2nd

Texans hire Demeco Ryans to a 6 year Head Coach deal.

It was reported a few weeks ago that the G. M. has no power over the next Head Coach in Denver and that the new Head Coach will report directly to the Owners. So, this sort of makes Sean Payton a de facto G. M., while the current G. M. becomes more of a President of Operations. Payton all along was seeking a G.M.-type control situation, so his meetings with the Owners, where it was reported that he was backing out because of a disagreement with one of them after the first meeting (it wasn't spanishrice, also reported), so that conflict must have been resolved among the Ownership Group.

Here's a complete story:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/01/broncos-expected-to-hire-sean-payton-as-head-coach

January 31st, 2023 at 3:18pm CST by Sam Robinson

Although the Broncos’ head coaching search had experienced some turbulence, the franchise may well be on the verge of sticking the landing. The Broncos and Saints are finalizing terms on a trade for Sean Payton‘s rights, Adam Schefter of ESPN.com reports (on Twitter). Payton is expected to become the Broncos’ next head coach. This will be the former Saints leader’s second opportunity as an NFL HC. While Payton had been connected to staying at FOX for another year and waiting for the 2024 hiring period, the Broncos look to have changed his mind.

This blockbuster transaction will lead to the Saints receiving compensation for their 16-year head coach, who stepped down after the 2021 season. The teams have finalized the compensation, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com reports (via Twitter). The Broncos gave the Saints a choice of two trade packages, Schefter adds. The Saints could have received the Broncos’ 2024 first-round pick and a 2023 fourth or a package that sends Denver’s 2023 first-rounder and 2024 second to New Orleans. The latter deal, which the Saints preferred, will see Denver acquire New Orleans’ 2024 third-round pick (Twitter link). As far as compensation goes, this is a significant haul. The Broncos join the Jets, Patriots and Buccaneers in agreeing to send first-round picks for coaches over the past 30 years. Payton interviewed with four of the five HC-needy teams this year but made the Broncos his first meeting. The Broncos will have a depleted 2023 draft arsenal, thanks to the deals for Payton and Russell Wilson. But Payton will be by far the franchise’s highest-profile HC since Mike Shanahan.

This process included twists and turns, including another Tuesday. Previously linked to having DeMeco Ryans as a frontrunner, the Broncos circled back to him again hours ago. The Broncos attempted to hire Ryans, who just accepted the Texans’ HC offer, earlier today, Rapoport adds (via Twitter). When Ryans declined, the Broncos agreed to part with significant draft capital for Payton. This news comes just after CEO Greg Penner flew to Ann Arbor to meet with Jim Harbaugh, who had turned the Broncos down to stay at Michigan. Evidently not big on taking “no” for an answer, the Broncos ended up landing the coach who was long believed to be the favorite here. This certainly proved quite the journey.

.....for more, click the story link above.

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DeMeco Ryans hired to Coach Houton

January 31st, 2023 at 3:29pm CST by Sam Robinson.

The Texans interviewed DeMeco Ryans for a second time Tuesday, and the team is not letting the hot HC candidate leave town without a deal. Ryans will become the next Texans head coach, Adam Schefter of ESPN.com tweets. The parties finalized a six-year contract to bring Ryans, a Texans linebacker from 2006-11, back to Houston. This will wrap a six-year Ryans tenure in San Francisco, and Houston — after back-to-back one-and-done coaching tenures — will land one of this year’s top candidates.

Long expected to land one of this year’s HC jobs, Ryans will head back to Houston after overseeing a dominant San Francisco defense. The 49ers ranked first in total defense, scoring defense and defensive DVOA this season. While Brock Purdy‘s elbow injury effectively ended San Francisco’s Super Bowl hopes early in the NFC championship game, the 49ers’ loss opened the door for the Texans to make an official hire this week. Ryans, 38, jumped to a DC role just three years after being promoted from the quality control level; he has spent his entire career on Kyle Shanahan‘s staff. Shanahan was with the Texans during part of Ryans’ time as a Houston defender and has long stumped for the well-regarded leader. The 49ers’ defensive performance this year left little doubt Ryans would soon become a head coach, and both the Broncos and Texans aggressively pursued him. Houston won out, and Ryans profiles as a vastly different HC compared to the franchise’s previous two.

All five head coach-needy teams this year reached out to Ryans. Four of those scheduled interviews, but Ryans ended up passing on Cardinals and Colts meetings — which would have come hours before the 49ers’ divisional playoff game against the Cowboys — to lead to a two-team race. Despite days of Texans-centric developments, Ryans still received aggressive interest from the Broncos. Denver circled back to Ryans on Tuesday, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com reports (on Twitter). When Ryans turned the Broncos down, the AFC West team pivoted to Sean Payton. While the former Saints HC had long been the Broncos’ preference, he cost first- and second-round picks. And Ryans clearly impressed the Broncos, to the point they were prepared to abandon their pursuit of an experienced head coach.

This could be a seminal hire for the Texans, who completed odd coaching searches in 2021 and ’22. GM Nick Caserio interviewed Josh McCown in both years, but potential backlash about hiring a head coach with no experience is believed to have affected a potential hire. The Texans hired David Culley in 2021, despite no other teams being in on the then-Ravens wide receivers coach, and fired him after a 4-13 season. Last year’s search did not include Lovie Smith until the end, but after McCown and Eagles DC Jonathan Gannon were in the mix, Caserio instead promoted Smith. The former Houston DC oversaw a 3-13-1 season that led to his firing. The hiring of back-to-back 60-somethings — for a team amid a long rebuild — created the perception of dysfunction. Considering the team went through a chaotic period when Bill O’Brien held the dual HC-GM role and was at the forefront of the Deshaun Watson scandal, stability is desperately needed here. Hence, the six-year contract. The Texans included a host of younger names in their 2023 search, but Ryans stood out. It can be safely assumed Ryans will not be a one-and-done, considering the team’s recent past and the momentum the linebacker-turned-coordinator built in San Francisco.

[oregonred]

Broncos Walmart billionaires must have paid record $$$ for Payton. Joining a team with an aging $50M qb, little draft capital in a division with Mahomes and Herbert and an absolutely loaded conference.

Good to see the cakewalk AFC West giving KC a run. Bengals will get the AFC West in 2024.

[Kingspoint]

Broncos Walmart billionaires must have paid record $$$ for Payton. Joining a team with an aging $50M qb, little draft capital in a division with Mahomes and Herbert and an absolutely loaded conference.

Good to see the cakewalk AFC West giving KC a run. Bengals will get the AFC West in 2024.

Condaleesa Rice is also part Owner and, supposedly, Payton was OK with reporting to her directly.

[JaxRed]

Broncos trade for Sean Payton.

Denver gets - Sean Payton, 2024 3rd rd pick
New Orleans gets - 2023 1st, 2024 2nd



Edit: Oops that's the #29 pick they got from SF via Mia

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Condaleesa Rice is also part Owner and, supposedly, Payton was OK with reporting to her directly.

Interesting, you have a link on that?

[UKFlounder]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35564875/sources-broncos-finalizing-deal-saints-sean-payton

Saints will receive the Broncos' 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall) and 2024 second-round pick for Payton and the Saints' 2024 third-round selection, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

[Kingspoint]

Interesting, you have a link on that?

Yes. I'll get it for you.

You already know the story that Broncos' Ownership, where Condaleesa Rice seems to have equal say about what's going on (name a scenario where she doesn't enter a room and demand equal say), stated that the next Head Coach will report directly to the Owners and not the G.M.? It's a lot further back and more difficult to find the link, probably, but the link for the story that says that Payton supposedly liked his meeting with Rice, but not with one of the other Owners...I'll get you that.


So, here's a link to get started:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/01/demeco-ryans-advancing-in-broncos-search-sean-payton-souring-on-teams-ownership

In this link, it talks about Payton, through twitter, disputing a report by the journalist Maske that Payton feared a power struggle among Bronco's Ownership and that this was making Payton less enthusiastic about the Denver job. (you'll have to find the story Maske wrote...shouldn't be hard to find)

This link then mentions the specific names of who at the Ownership level is involved in the search for a new Head Coach.

Then later in the article it mentions Payton "loves" his interactions with Rice, per a twitter feed from Maske (with a link for that).

[JaxRed]

Yep. Nothing there says he is reporting to Rice.

[WrongVerb]

Dan Graziano
@DanGrazianoESPN

Source says Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan is having his second interview with the Colts today for their vacant head coach job, and is scheduled to speak with the Cardinals tomorrow about theirs.
3:26pm · 1 Feb 2023

[JaxRed]

Ian Rapaport says Colts likely to do an unprecedented Third Round of Interviews

[Kingspoint]

Yep. Nothing there says he is reporting to Rice.

You didn't read the post.

I said it's assumed that you know that the next Head Coach will report directly to the Owners, as it was reported widely a month ago when they began the search and that I wasn't going to find that link for you as you can look it up yourself.

What I did post, which also shows you didn't read the post, is that three names, specific names of Owners, were listed as the people who were in charge of the hiring and interviewing of the next Head Coach, Rice being one of those names, while they were being "assisted" by the G.M. (somebody has to do the paperwork and act as Secretary). So, that means that Payton will be reporting directly to Rice, and the other two Owners. That's crystal clear in my post. If you can't see that, you need to go back to school.

I can't do all the work for you. Do some of the research yourself.

[dubc47834]

You didn't read the post.

I said it's assumed that you know that the next Head Coach will report directly to the Owners, as it was reported widely a month ago when they began the search and that I wasn't going to find that link for you as you can look it up yourself.

What I did post, which also shows you didn't read the post, is that three names, specific names of Owners, were listed as the people who were in charge of the hiring and interviewing of the next Head Coach, Rice being one of those names, while they were being "assisted" by the G.M. (somebody has to do the paperwork and act as Secretary). So, that means that Payton will be reporting directly to Rice, and the other two Owners. That's crystal clear in my post. If you can't see that, you need to go back to school.

I can't do all the work for you. Do some of the research yourself.

Except you did insinuate that it was only her he was reporting to.

[JaxRed]

I think the Texans got it right with Demeco Ryans. Pretty much a no-brainer all around. He returns to where he played and where his wife is from. Gets an extra long deal because of the way Texans fired their last 2 coaches. I think Houston was the best job out of all the openings.

Lots of cap space. #5 overall. 2nd pick in the draft, 2 first rounders this year and next.

Asking to interview the 49's passing game coordinator to be the OC. I'll be interested to see what happens with the current OC Pep Hamilton who was a "hot name" in the OC game last year.

[KoryMac5]

Fangio is getting 4.5 million per season to run the Dolphins D...

[Kingspoint]

"Reports pegged Payton as both being onboard with Denver’s Rob Walton-fronted ownership contingent while also potentially fearing a power struggle with one of the struggling team’s new owners. Payton made a point to directly refute the latter stance, and it should be expected he will have final say when it comes to the Broncos’ roster. GM George Paton had held that control from 2021-22, and while a phonetically challenging Payton-Paton partnership could still be in the works, the team’s new head coach is believed to want to bring some personnel staffers with him. Penner said both Paton and the team’s next HC will report directly to him. Tuesday’s hire stands to further diminish Paton’s power, though the rumored Broncos big swing happening represents a major development for a team that has whiffed on a few HCs in recent years."

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/02/broncos-expected-to-hire-sean-payton-as-head-coach

There's about 20 links in that article to other stories that relate to that paragraph, so if you are interested in details, ther is the main link and from there have fun.

[JaxRed]

Denver has reached out to Dan Quinn, Raheem Morris and DeMeco Ryans. My theory all along was Denver was going to go one of two ways, since it appears to be a big mess there.

1) REALLY long term (8-10 years) deal with an in demand coach for major dollars. Because if Wilson is a bust, with all the draft capital done this is a long term fix. Quinn and Payton fall into this category.
2) A coach with not many options (beggars can't be choosers). I had actually previously mentioned Morris by name.

My guess is they go option 1.

I got this half right. They went for the in-demand "name coach" after pursuing another name coach in Jim Harbaugh. I was only surprised by the length of 5 years. I haven't heard the $$ figures but I assume they will be very high. In the end, I think Payton wanted an escape clause after 5 years. That allows him to move on without compensation, like he had to battle with this time.

[JaxRed]

Payton holds press conference and says in response to a question that Wilson is not gonna have his own personal coaches in the building.

[Betterread]

Vikings hire Brian Flores as Def Coordinator. He has a totally different defensive approach to Donatell/Fangio, which O’Connell liked in 2022.

[JaxRed]

My guess (as it was last year) is that no one hires Flores for HC. He fails the test of "is this someone I want to work with?".

No one hired him as HC. He hired on as DC for Vikings, while still in the running supposedly for Az HC. He must have gotten wind they were going elsewhere.

[JaxRed]

Word on the street is that the Colts "Brain Trust" has narrowed the HC choice down to 3 guys. Eagles OC Shane Steichen, Jeff Saturday and Raheem Morris. Differing opinions as to who the favorite is. But it's always between Steichen and Saturday.

[WVRed]

Word on the street is that the Colts "Brain Trust" has narrowed the HC choice down to 3 guys. Eagles OC Shane Steichen, Jeff Saturday and Raheem Morris. Differing opinions as to who the favprite is. But it's always between Steichen and Saturday.

If it’s Saturday you know Irsay is pulling the strings.

[JaxRed]

I'm starting to think that the reason for the "exhaustive" search is so that Irsay can justify Saturday.

[KoryMac5]

Sean Payton/Rex Ryan would be an interesting pairing...

[JaxRed]

Ian Rapaport and Adam Schefter saying Colts have settled on Eagles OC Shane Steichen, and will now see if they can come to an agreement. And that Jeff Saturday has been told he will not be getting the gig.

Not that I expect it to happen, but I wonder what would happen if Eagles offense sputters badly during SuperBowl.

[Sea Ray]

Sean Payton/Rex Ryan would be an interesting pairing...

Sean had brother Rob with him in New Orleans and it didn't work out too good. Does Rex wanna get back into coaching?

[JaxRed]

I will say this opens up Jeff Saturday to ALL teams. There may be a bidding war.

[WVRed]

I will say this opens up Jeff Saturday to ALL teams. There may be a bidding war.

Or he goes back to the broadcast booth. He seemed to be happy there.

[Slyder]

I will say this opens up Jeff Saturday to ALL teams. There may be a bidding war.

Who wouldn't want a coach who can out coach Josh McDaniels the first week on the job!

[JaxRed]

It's official. Colts have hired Philly's OC Shane Steichen.

[KoryMac5]

AZ looks to be leaning Gannon...hearing conflicting reports on who he wants as OC possibly Bieniemy which would be a strange twist

[Sea Ray]

Cardinals are finalizing a deal with former Eagles’ defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon to become their new head coach, sources tell ESPN. The last HC opening of this hiring cycle is being filled.

https://twitter.com/Ben_Baby/status/1625569739790553093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1625569739790553093%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.go-bengals.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsyste mcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com %2FBen_Baby%2Fstatus%2F1625569739790553093%3Fref_s rc%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwter m255E1625569739790553093257Ctwgr255Ea51e2694680cfd c50424dd445fc60eb0c1f2df9a257Ctwcon255Es1_c1026ref _url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fcincinna ti-bengals

[Boston Red]

Congrats to the Cleveland St. Ignatius kid and Louisville Cardinal. The Bobby Petrino coaching tree continues to blossom. :laugh:

[JaxRed]

Cards have made it officially official.

https://twitter.com/AZCardinals/status/1625583406011789312/photo/1

I have not seen any tweets that indicate he wants Bienemy.

[Sea Ray]

Cards have made it officially official.

https://twitter.com/AZCardinals/status/1625583406011789312/photo/1

I have not seen any tweets that indicate he wants Bienemy.

Is he any relation to Rich Gannon?

[WVRed]

Not a head coaching move but the Ravens hired Todd Monken as offensive coordinator.

Really thought that would be Bienemy. If anyone could have gotten the most out of Lamar (assuming he’s even back), it’s Sleeping With Bienemy.

[RichRed]

Eric Bieniemy is the new OC and Assistant Head Coach for Washington. I’m surprised they were able to pull that off. I wonder if there’s a handshake deal that Rivera retires in a couple years and EB takes over as HC.

[WVRed]

Eric Bieniemy is the new OC and Assistant Head Coach for Washington. I’m surprised they were able to pull that off. I wonder if there’s a handshake deal that Rivera retires in a couple years and EB takes over as HC.

Or he takes over midseason if Washington sputters out of the gate and they fire Rivera.

[RichRed]

Or he takes over midseason if Washington sputters out of the gate and they fire Rivera.

Definite possibility. The cloudy ownership situation puts just about anything on the table.

[WVRed]

Definite possibility. The cloudy ownership situation puts just about anything on the table.

You have to think this is Bienemys best chance at a head coaching job. He’s a crappy interview supposedly so showing he can call plays on his own would help him.

If Andy Reid was serious about getting him a job I’m kinda surprised he didn’t turn over playcalling. He’s already won a championship prior to this season and Bienemy would benefit from it.

[JaxRed]

I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but the interviews with the new Arizona HC left me puzzled. He just didn't have that "leader of men" vibe to me.

[Rojo Rijo]

You have to think this is Bienemys best chance at a head coaching job. He’s a crappy interview supposedly so showing he can call plays on his own would help him.

If Andy Reid was serious about getting him a job I’m kinda surprised he didn’t turn over playcalling. He’s already won a championship prior to this season and Bienemy would benefit from it.

Very interesting takes on this from Lesean McCoy, who basically said Bienemy had no involvement in the passing game and did not run offensive meetings. He made it sound like he was a glorified RB coach in an OC position. A lot of comments chimed in that Shady was just bitter over being benched when he was in KC. I think the big problem here is how many people and the media want the Bienemy situation to be 100% about something else so any discredit to his ability or accomplishments get attacked very quickly. I for one am glad he is going somewhere else so he has the chance to prove he has the chops, though I know that if he fails the ones defend him over the last 3 offseasons will be nowhere to be found.

Personally ive never bought into the whole "Bienemy does nothing Reid does everything" narrative but when I see people lose their minds over Bienemy not getting a HC job and say "He's run one of the top offenses in the NFL over the last 3 years" im like hold up, you know darn well that isnt true. Andy Reid has his hands all over that offense, supposedly calls the plays, and they have had Mahomes, Kelce, and prior to this year Tyreek Hill. There could be an argument made that each of those guys are the best in the NFL at their position.

[Slyder]

Look at the Andy Reid coaching tree... It's probably one of the biggest of the modern era. You can't argue with results. Also you can't say "he does nothing" when coaches that were Special Teams coaches being hired as the head guy.

[Boston Red]

I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but the interviews with the new Arizona HC left me puzzled. He just didn't have that "leader of men" vibe to me.

Makes sense coming from a guy who was working under Sirianni. Isn't that the exact same reaction people had to Sirianni at first?

[RichRed]

Makes sense coming from a guy who was working under Sirianni. Isn't that the exact same reaction people had to Sirianni at first?

This was my thought exactly. At Sirianni’s first few press conferences, it was like “Wait, THIS is the guy? Yikes.”

[Kingspoint]

Very interesting takes on this from Lesean McCoy, who basically said Bienemy had no involvement in the passing game and did not run offensive meetings. He made it sound like he was a glorified RB coach in an OC position. Which has to be the reason why it's taken 5 years for him to get a promotion from supposedly, the most efficient Offense in the NFL over that time.

Every year the O. C. of the Chiefs should be getting a real opportunity to be a Head Coach of another team. Bienemy couldn't even get a promotion as a full-time O. C. to another team.