2023 Jacksonville Jaguars Thread - It was always the Jags

[JaxRed]

You non-Jax people probably don't recognize that "It was always the Jags" became a rallying cry down the stretch....


This year's thread will be so unlike our normal thread, where we do an autopsy on the dead body. This year, we have hope for the future, borne of a successful year.

The leading story for 2023 is how do we continue to improve in a year when we are up against the cap? We currently are (according to Spotrac) 30th in Cap space and are are 28 million over the cap for 2023. We have one various obvious cap casualty coming in Shaquille Griffin. Cutting him will save 13 million in Cap space leading us 15 million over. (I'm not sure what changed.... a few days ago cutting him left us even on the cap).

How did the cap of a bottom-dwelling team to start the year get so bad? We spent a lot of money to attract free agents. (many said over-spent), and almost to a man, those contract had a big cap hit in 2023, and are super-easy to clear in 2024. For example in 2024 cutting just 4 guys could lower the cap hit by 58 million. Two of those guys are very possible to be cut. So the issue for the off-season is how do we re-sign the free agents we want to res-sign? I think very few free agents will be coming in this year. The Jags will have to improve from within and from the draft. And for a change we don't draft till #25 (#24 in your hearts).

The biggest question mark revolves around our offensive tackles. Last year at this time we had Cam Robinson as a FA eligible left tackle who was good not great. We had a disappointing RT in Jawann Taylor, and had spent a #2 pick (45 overall) on a LT from Stanford who played very little and had not wowed people when he did. Jags decided to sign Robinson to a 3 year deal. Cap wise he is expensive in 2023 and 2024, but easy to cut in 2024. But Robinson was very solid in 2022. Until he tore his meniscus and missed the last 6 games including the playoff.

Walker Little were supposed to fight it out for RT, and Taylor won the job and by most all accounts (notably Tony Boselli) Taylor had his best season and was our best OT. Taylor is now a FA. And when Robinson went down the the knee injury the Jags were forced to play Walker Little at LT and again by most accounts was every bit as good as Robinson. In his post season radio broadcast Boselli was forced to agree with Pete Prisco that Walker Little played better than Robinson. If this was 2024 the answer would be clear. Resign Taylor at RT and put Little in a LT. Boselli thought resigning Taylor should be Jags #1 priority. If you do that, at least for 2023 you have 3 tackles for 2 spots. All are fairly young. 27 and under.

The Jags signed 2 free agents in 2022 to one year prove-it deals. Evan Engram and Arden Key. Normally these are done to to get the hell out of Jax as quickly as possible. But not only did both guys flourish, both fell in love with the team and the city and want to stay. Halfway thru the season, Key bought a house.

Here's a list of Jags Free agents
OT Jawaan Taylor, TE Evan Engram, WR Marvin Jones, DE Arden Key, DT Corey Peters, DT Adam Gotsis, DE Dawuane Smoot, TE Chris Manhertz, CB Tre Herndon, S Andrew Wingard, TE Dan Arnold, QB CJ Beathard.

HC Doug Pederson stated that they can't resign everyone. GM Trent Baalke said Jags want to retain core UFA players like Engram and Taylor. Baalke and Pederson are supposed to meet Wed 1/25 for their first FA discussions. Two guys jump out as me as guys who may not come back. We have signed WR Calvin Ridley for next year. Marvin Jones was our #3 WR. I think Ridley replaces him and he moves on. Jags also signed a Canadian Football League QB, 23 year old Nathan Rourke, who worked out with 12 teams, and chose between offers form Jax, Cle and LV and he chose Jax. You never know with the CFL guys but he might be #2 next year replacing Beathard.

[JaxRed]

FA update from Baalke

Eugene Frenette
@GeneFrenette
Baalke met with UFA Engram Monday and there’s mutual interest in the productive TE returning for 2023. Baalke adds he hopes not to use the franchise tag on anybody

[JaxRed]

Jags lose their Passing Game Coordinator Jim Bob Cooter to Indy to become their Offensive Coordinator.

[JaxRed]

The Jags WR coach moved on to University of Texas. To replace him the Jags hired the Bills WR coach Chad Hall. Lot of talk from the Bills WR's saying how great he was. He was going to interview for Ravens OC and then took Jags WR gig.

[JaxRed]

Some updates.... Jaguars hired Nick Holz, UNLV’s former offensive coordinator, as their passing game coordinator. He's been with the Raiders previously and supposedly was good friends with OC Press Taylor.

In a move that surprised me the Jags resigned CJ Beathard as backup QB. I thought they'd go with the Canadian signee. He was cheap. 2.25 mill per year.

Jags need to do some restructuring to get under the cap. The first domino fell, restructuring LB Foye Oluokun, creating $10.336M in space. They were 32 million over prior to the move.

[JaxRed]

The Oluokun restructure essentially gauarentees that he will have a big cap hit of 25 million in 2024 and then be released in 2025 with a dead cap of 7 million.

[JaxRed]

Jags resign DL Roy Robertson-Harris to a 3 year, 30 million dollar deal. RRH was not a free agent. He had one year left on his deal, so this is widely anticipated to be a deal that saves them cap room for 2023.

[Kingspoint]

JAX is being aggressive at the moment. They are determined to have a great off-season.

Retained JaMichael Hasty.

[JaxRed]

It takes time to evaluate a draft. Even more time than 20 months. I kept going back and forth on the 2021 Urban Meyer/Trent Baalke class. A year and a half later, it looks pretty good.

1) Trevor Lawrence.
1A) Travis Etienne - Was very productive back after missing year 1. Probably could have maximized the pick a bit more by trading down a few spots and still getting him
2) Tyson Campbell - Had some growing pains but has turned into very nice corner
2A) Walker Little - Hardly played at all until last 5 or 6 games but looked so good Jags will probably lose either Cam Robinson or Jawaan Taylor in next 15 months.
3) Andre Cisco - Missed a lot of 2021 recovering from ACL but has turned into nice safety

Picks after that were basically wasted. We got something out of Luke Farrell.

Gives me encouragement that 2022 will look better in a year.

[JaxRed]

Jags continue to restructure the cap

The Jaguars converted a total of $32.657M of base salary for WR Christian Kirk, WR Zay Jones and G Brandon Scherff into signing bonuses, creating a total of $26.14M in 2023 cap space, per source.

The are WIDELY expected to cut Shaq Griffin and create another $13 mill in cap space. The key to these restructures (in my mind) is to keep all the free agents, yet no create a big cap issue in 2024 and beyond.

[Sea Ray]

Jags continue to restructure the cap

The Jaguars converted a total of $32.657M of base salary for WR Christian Kirk, WR Zay Jones and G Brandon Scherff into signing bonuses, creating a total of $26.14M in 2023 cap space, per source.

The are WIDELY expected to cut Shaq Griffin and create another $13 mill in cap space. The key to these restructures (in my mind) is to keep all the free agents, yet no create a big cap issue in 2024 and beyond.

Converting salary into signing bonuses essentially pushes money into future years. I'm surprised they'd want to do that since Lawrence is still on his rookie deal. Now's the time to pay off these things, not later when the star QB needs to get paid

[WVRed]

Converting salary into signing bonuses essentially pushes money into future years. I'm surprised they'd want to do that since Lawrence is still on his rookie deal. Now's the time to pay off these things, not later when the star QB needs to get paid

OTOH, if you have a window of opportunity to make a possible deep playoff run you hedge your bets and go for gold. Sign free agents and free up cap space however you can to do so, then worry about the QB conundrum later.

The Jags have one more year before they really have to worry about Lawrence. Not to mention seeing if he takes a major leap forward. He’s not Burrow but he’s not Danny Dimes either.

[JaxRed]

Converting salary into signing bonuses essentially pushes money into future years. I'm surprised they'd want to do that since Lawrence is still on his rookie deal. Now's the time to pay off these things, not later when the star QB needs to get paid

The Jags brought a TON of guys last year in Free Agency and had to overpay to do it. Almost all of the contracts had a big hit in Year 2 (2023) and could be dumped in Year 3. So this year was always the penalty year. If done correctly, we'll still be in great shape after 2024. Before these moves we had 41 million cap space in 2024. We will no longer have to overpay to bring guys in.

[Rojo Rijo]

OTOH, if you have a window of opportunity to make a possible deep playoff run you hedge your bets and go for gold. Sign free agents and free up cap space however you can to do so, then worry about the QB conundrum later.

The Jags have one more year before they really have to worry about Lawrence. Not to mention seeing if he takes a major leap forward. He’s not Burrow but he’s not Danny Dimes either.

He's a lot closer to Burrow than he is Danny Dimes. No disrespect to Burrow, im a huge fan, but lets watch and see what happens for Lawrence adding in Ridley. I think there is a good chance you see a similar jump with Lawrence like we did with Burrow when they added Chase.

Also not trying to trash Jones but he's not a pure passer like Burrow and Lawrence. Jones depends on his legs as much as his arm.

[JaxRed]

Per James Palmer:

The #jaguars have already finished their work on free agent evaluations and don’t expect them to be very active if even at all. They are focused on their own free agents. There is a good amount of confidence right now something will be worked out to bring back TE Evan Engram

That's kind of what I hoped for/expected. I guess the big question is FA LT Jawann Taylor. According to local reporter Mia O'Brien....

"Had someone in the building tell me last week that Taylor is either an extension, or walking. No tag."

I'd prefer to keep Taylor at RT and move on from LT Robinson either now or in 1 year, versus moving on from Taylor and moving Walker Little to RT.

[Kingspoint]

Converting salary into signing bonuses essentially pushes money into future years. I'm surprised they'd want to do that since Lawrence is still on his rookie deal. Now's the time to pay off these things, not later when the star QB needs to get paid

All of the winning teams have done it.

[Kingspoint]

Per James Palmer:

The #jaguars have already finished their work on free agent evaluations and don’t expect them to be very active if even at all. They are focused on their own free agents. There is a good amount of confidence right now something will be worked out to bring back TE Evan Engram

That's kind of what I hoped for/expected. I guess the big question is FA LT Jawann Taylor. According to local reporter Mia O'Brien....

"Had someone in the building tell me last week that Taylor is either an extension, or walking. No tag."

I'd prefer to keep Taylor at RT and move on from LT Robinson either now or in 1 year, versus moving on from Taylor and moving Walker Little to RT.

I mentioned before last season started that Evan Engram was a steal for them and a perfect fit for Lawrence. While early in the season, he was underperforming my expectations, which I believe was more of coaching decisions than Engram's efforts, he exceeded expectations in the latter half and overall for the season. Coaches were perfect in how they used him looking back.

[JaxRed]

Sveral reporters are reporting that Jags will use a franchise tag on Engram. Hopefully it's the non-exlusive tage. I mean if someone was willing to give us 2 #1's for Engram I'd take it.

[Kingspoint]

Sveral reporters are reporting that Jags will use a franchise tag on Engram. Hopefully it's the non-exlusive tage. I mean if someone was willing to give us 2 #1's for Engram I'd take it.

That may be because, like last season, the franchise-tag for LB's is extemely reasonable compared to the franchise-tag at all other positions, which is why I think the Cowboys will use it on Shultz.

[JaxRed]

That may be because, like last season, the franchise-tag for LB's is extemely reasonable compared to the franchise-tag at all other positions, which is why I think the Cowboys will use it on Shultz.

TE's not LB's

[JaxRed]

The NFL has reinstated Calvin Ridley effective immediately

[JaxRed]

Jags have officially tagged Evan Engram. No word on exclusive versus non-exclusive. I'd love for it to be non--exclusive but I doubt it is. Most around here take this to mean that Jawann Taylor will hit FA and leave.

[JaxRed]

It was the non-exclusive tag as I hoped. Also, Calvin Ridley has been reinstated by the NFL.

[JaxRed]

Jags finally released Shaq Griffin. Everyone knew this was coming. Have no idea why they waited. Saves them 13 mill in cap space.

[Rojo Rijo]

I think we have to snag a CB early in the draft. I wouldnt mind pairing Campbell with his UGA replacement, Kelee Ringo.

[JaxRed]

What you said is probably the most prevalent opinion. I'll probably change my mind 40 times in the next 6 weeks, but assuming we lose Jawann Taylor, I'd be inclined to address OT. We have a ton invested in Cam Robinson and Brandon Sherrif. Somehow signing Taylor would just make the issue worse.

I want to find a way to get Walker Little at LT (cheap). Trading Cam Robinson would free up 12 mill or 17 mill depending on whether it was designated Pre June 1 or Post June 1. If you traded Cam, and drafted a RT in 1st round. You'd have Little, Bartch/Shatley, Fortner, Sherrif, Drafted RT. Than only leaves SHerrif and he gets cut after 2023, and now you have an affordable line.

[JaxRed]

As it looked like..... Jawann Taylor has signed elsewhere (Chiefs).

[Rojo Rijo]

Taylor got 60 guaranteed. No chance we were coming near that.

I think this makes OT almost as important as CB in the draft. Cam is on the books for 2023 and 2024 but they can get out of his deal with only $5 million in dead cap after this year in the event he's injured again or just doesnt play anywhere worth the 16.25 he'll cost in 2024.

As much as we need a CB opposite Campbell our #1 priority will always be protection for Lawrence.

[JaxRed]

After Day 1 one of FA, it has been all losses and no gains for Jags. I expected them to sign very little. We essentially signed 2 years worth of folks last year. But we have lost several so far:

OT Jawann Taylor. TE Chris Manhertz.

Jags wanted to keep Arden Key, and he has not signed anywhere yet, but supposedly has 8-9 suitors.

[JaxRed]

Jags re-sign Dewey Wingard.

[JaxRed]

#Jaguars continue to put the band back together, so to speak.

They've re-signed several of their own impending free agents, as expected.

Losing: Jawaan Taylor, Arden Key, Chris Manhertz

Returning: Evan Engram, C.J. Beathard, Adam Gotsis, Andrew Wingard, Tre Herndon

[JaxRed]

Sources: The #Jaguars and DT DaVon Hamilton agreed to terms on a 3-year, $34.5M deal with $23M fully guaranteed plus incentives that bring the max compensation up to $36M. The former third rounder will make over $18.7M in the 1st year of the extension, coming off a career year.

[JaxRed]

Jacksonville Jaguars left tackle Cam Robinson will be suspended at the start of the 2023 season, per a source close to the situation.

Robinson will be suspended by the NFL for an undisclosed amount of games for violating the league's performance-enhancing drug policy, per the source.

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I was always kind of a draft an OL in 1st round guy..... now I really am.

[Rojo Rijo]

This stinks, especially with Taylor gone to KC. My guess is he gets 4 games unless it was a masking agent, then it could possibly only be 2.

Guessing Little will slide to the LT spot and Wells will start at RT.

As far as the draft im still feeling BPA aside from a WR or RB, though positionally I would be looking for secondary or OL.

[JaxRed]

The guys on 1010XL are all leaning OL. Brent Martineau is saying no effect. I'm with the 1010XL guys on this one.

[JaxRed]

Jags went for Oklahoma OT Anton Harrison. I've been saying OT all draft season. And that was before the Robinson suspension. The Jags had an O-line problem. LT Cam Robinson was expensive, and his cheap backup (Little) was better. The RT went for $20M plus in free agency. The RT is getting old (32) and is expensive.

So the obvious long term solution is Little at LT, release Robinson after 2023 to to save $12M, draft a RT in 2023 (now Harrison), and pick up a RG in either 2023 or 2024. Jags are also unsure what they have a LG since Bartch was hurt all year. So they may need a LG in 2024 also. The Robinson suspension just reinforced the need.

Question is how to handle Things in 2023. For me.... Little is the LT. Period. During the suspension I put Harrison at RT. The question becomes: What do you do with Cam when he comes back? Is he a swing tackle back up? Is he trade bait? Do you put him at RT for remainder of season and move Harrison inside or to backup?

As far as where they drafted him. Baalke says he was their highest rated player on the board. I don't believe that for a moment. I hope he was. But I think I knew they had to take a tackle, the gap between the next guy was big, and after trading down twice, could not gamble anymore.

[JaxRed]

In the post draft news conference, Baalke said they had further opportunities to trade down and decided not to. The extra picks they got were not high. For the first trade down they go down spot gain pick Nos. 160 and 240. 160 is a late 5th. 240 is a mid 7th. And the second trade down was pick #130 which is a late 4th,

Jags will have 3 late 4th rounders. It seems like that might be their ammo to move up.

[Rojo Rijo]

For round 2 I would love to come away with Torrence, Branch, or Ringo.

Think they did a fantastic job last night of adding three day 3 picks while still getting what they wanted at the back end of rd 1.

[JaxRed]

Jags take a Tight End as some people suspected they might, but not a guy I've heard people speculating on. It was Brenton Strange out of Penn State. There's a lot of football people saying this is a real nice pick. And then in the 4th, a pick which seemed a little out of place to me was Auburn RB Tank Bigsby, who sounds like a 230lb fullback but is actually a speed guy. I actually like him, but the position seemed a strange one to go after. I do think this means Snoop Conner is a goner.

Apparently Jags were trying to move up all day and couldn't find a dance partner. Including making a move up to the end of the third. So there are some guys out there they still want and they have 3 4th rounders.

[JaxRed]

OK, in the end the Jags could never find any takers for their draft picks (except for one which turned into a 2024 4th rounder), and they drafted 13 guys. I think, reading up on things, that Anton Richardson might have actually been their top rated guy. Peter King has an article out where he was in the Raiders draft room. They wanted Paris Johnson. But they contemplated a trade down where they would take Richardson at 12.

And a lot of folk like Strange and Tank Bigsby too.

THey picked up an Edge guy in Round 4 and a safety in Round 5. Which were needs. So we'll see. Opinions vary on how well they did. Dane Brugler has them 24th.

[JaxRed]

Great conversation about what happened between the Bill/Jags during their tradeback

https://twitter.com/i/status/1653826799229345801

[JaxRed]

And now TIAA Bank field is back to being Everbank again. But for some reason Everbank Stadium instead of Everbank Field like before.

[Kingspoint]

Now that it's confirmed that they have a franchise QB now, they'll continue to work on the Offensive Line until they get it right. They did their best drafting an OT in the 1st Round, but as the Bengals well know and most other teams, too, an O-Line is a difficult thing to put together.

Jaguars T Cam Robinson Issued Four-Game PED Suspension

June 29th, 2023 at 3:05pm CST by Adam La Rose

Details have emerged regarding the PED suspension Cam Robinson will serve to begin the 2023 season. The Jaguars tackle will be sidelined for four games to start the year, per ESPN’s Adam Schefter (Twitter link).
News of the Robinson ban came out in April, but it was not known at that point how many contests he would miss. Today’s update clarifies the challenge Jacksonville will face along the offensive line, a unit which already saw the departure of Jawaan Taylor to the Chiefs in free agency. The loss of Taylor left the Jaguars in need of a notable O-line investment in the draft, something which came in Round 1 in the form of Anton Harrison. The latter was likely to play on the right side upon Robinson’s return, but there is a path for him to spend the first month of his rookie campaign at his familiar left tackle spot. Harrison made all but one of his starts at Oklahoma on the blindside.

Jacksonville also has Walker Little in place as a more experienced LT option. The former second-rounder has made 28 regular and postseason appearances to date, spending most of his time at left tackle. If the team elects to ease Harrison into the pro game (or keep him at right tackle in preparation for when Robinson returns) the Stanford product could see a starting blindside role in the fall. For Robinson individually, this news carries signficant financial consequences. As Schefter’s colleague Field Yates tweets, the 27-year-old will lose $3.55MM in salary due to the missed time, and the remaining guranteed money on his deal will void. Robinson signed a three-year, $52.75MM extension in 2022 which called for his $16MM 2023 base salary to be guranteed in full. That figure will rise to a non-guranteed $16.25MM next season, while his cap hit will remain above $22MM as is the case this year. The Jaguars have remained committed to the Alabama product despite his less-than-spectacular performances throughout his career. His return to the lineup will no doubt be welcomed when it takes place, but the absence of guranteed money in the final year of his contract could spark new questions about his long-term future with the team. Robinson will miss games against the Colts, Chiefs, Texans and Falcons while serving his suspension. He will be eligible to return in Week 5, the Jaguars’ second straight London matchup when they play the Bills.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/jacksonville-jaguars-news-rumors

[Kingspoint]

While it should still be a lock for the Jaguars to win that Division (they were the only team to not have double-digit losses last season), it opens up the door for the Colts to challenge them. Mike Vrabel, of course, can never be counted out with putting the Titans into a challenging position, too.

Houston,...we've got a problem.

[WVRed]

While it should still be a lock for the Jaguars to win that Division (they were the only team to not have double-digit losses last season), it opens up the door for the Colts to challenge them. Mike Vrabel, of course, can never be counted out with putting the Titans into a challenging position, too.

Houston,...we've got a problem.Colts I think are a year or two away. Richardson is the rawest QB in the draft but is oozing with upside. Texans would have been better off drafting Richardson and the Colts Stroud. Stroud would likely have them competing as soon as this year. I don't see that with Richardson.

I could see the Titans passing the Texans as worst team in the division this year. They don't know what they want to do.

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[JaxRed]

Pundits and people keep misreading the Jags offensive line situation. After the Cam Robinson injury towards the end of last season Walker Little came in and handled LT as well (or better) than Cam. Cam has a 2024 contract with a 22.75 million dollar hit and a 5 million dollar dead cap. He's gone after 2023.

We lost our RT in FA, so we needed a RT and we drafted one in 1st round. People acted as if it was a shock or that that Jags had to pivot when their real choice wasn't available. No, drafting a RT was always the the obvious move. By drafting Harrison we now RT solved for next 4+ years at cheap price. We have LT solved for 2 more years at a cheap price. We have center solved for 3 more years a a cheap price. We have an unknown quantity at LG and an expensive older RG. So expect them to be drafted soon.

So, Cam is the extra piece. Barring injury I don't see them sitting Little or Harrison when Robinson comes back. I actually expect Robinson to be traded.

[JaxRed]

Jags finally came to an agreement with TE Even Ingram. Engram is signing a three-year, $41.25 million deal that includes $24 million fully guaranteed, per source. Without seeing the details, I'm inclined to believe that's really a 2 year deal with an "out" after 2 years.

[JaxRed]

Jags finally came to an agreement with TE Even Ingram. Engram is signing a three-year, $41.25 million deal that includes $24 million fully guaranteed, per source. Without seeing the details, I'm inclined to believe that's really a 2 year deal with an "out" after 2 years.

The deal with Engram is almost exactly the way I thought. Small cap hits of 5 mill and 7 mill in 2023 and 2024 and then a big balloon in 2025 to 19 mill with a 13 dead cap hit, so Jags can save 6 mill in cap space by cutting him in 2025.

[JaxRed]

Jags have their first pre-season game today against the Cowboys in Big D. Here have been the impressions from training camp. Everyone agrees that Calvin Ridley has been eye watering. And that his attitude about being a Jag matches his athletic ability. Everyone is also raving about Tank Bigsby at RB. I think he threatens to cut into Travis Etiene's carries this season.

So they love the QB, they love the receivers, the TE's, the RB's and they like how the O-Line looks.

They are NOT as sure about how the pass rush looks. A lot depends on how 2 guys who have not lived up to expectations yet progress. Josh Allen and Travon Walker. They are in totally different situations. Allen is in the final year of his deal, with the Jags having picked up his 5th year option. Walker is heading into year two. Jags took a chance that he would develop into a bigger overall star than pass rush specialist Aidan Hutchinson. So far Hutchinson is ahead.

The talking heads wanted/expected the Jags to sign a free agent rusher but Jags resisted, so it will be interesting to see if Jags are correct.

[JaxRed]

The 2021 draft took a while to jell but now looks very good. The 2 first rounders are/were relative safe picks and have come along as expected

Trevor Lawrence, QB, No. 1 (first round)
Travis Etienne, RB, No. 25 (first round)

But their 2nd and third round picks took a while to get going but now look very solid

Tyson Campbell, No. 33 (second round)
Walker Little, OT, No. 45 (second round)
Andre Cisco, S, No. 65 (third round)

Likewise the 2022 picks now need to take that big advance. Jags had 2 first rounders after trading up for LB Devin Lloyd from Utah.

Both guys (especially Lloyd) went through growing pains. Lloyd was essentially benched in favor of 3rd rounder Muma later in the season. Jags also picked up center Luke Fortner in the third round who seemed fairly solid, and may be center for the next 8-10 years. RB Snoop Connor seems like he will not make the team in 2023.

[JaxRed]

Jags won their first pre-season game against Cowboys. Jags played starters for 3 series, Cowboys not at all. Overall I think people are pleased with the way everything looked. Harrison looked pretty good at RT, Little less so at LT, Robinson was playing well into the 2nd half.

Still not too much pass rush.

The Jags backup QB got interesting for me. (and a plot of other folks) the presumed 3rd QB played much better than the 2nd stringer Beathard. He looks mobile and accurate. He had a 70% completion rate in Canada last year. Almost none of the talking heads are saying he'll unseat Beathard at this point. At this point, it's talk about whether he'll make the 53. Mike Dicrocco ESPN writer says there is no way he'll make it thru waivers.

[chicoruiz]

You obviously know the Jags a lot better than I do, but it seems to me the key player is Walker. The offense will, I think, be really, really good; Walker just needs to figure it out and start playing so that his production matches his ability. The scary part is, he didn’t really do that at Georgia either, but maybe the light will come on.

[JaxRed]

It's Walker and it's Josh Allen. Both very high draft picks #1 and #7 (I believe) and neither one has really had the impact on the rush their drafters hoped for. Allen was drafted by the previous GM. He's in the last year of his rookie deal. So this is his contract year. Walker is starting his 2nd season. It's the year they hope he'll take off. They kind of knew that in year 1, Aidan Hutchinson would be better.

[Rojo Rijo]

Really hope Walker becomes a stud. Otherwise it's going to stink watching Carter wreck havoc for the Eagles and think we were just 1 year too early in getting a stud lineman from Georgia.

[Kingspoint]

How does it feel JAX to finally have a Top-10 Quarterback with tremendous upside?

[JaxRed]

Really hope Walker becomes a stud. Otherwise it's going to stink watching Carter wreck havoc for the Eagles and think we were just 1 year too early in getting a stud lineman from Georgia.

Jags are very concerned with character these days. I don't think Carter was on their board.

[JaxRed]

Jags beat up on Lions 25-7 in the second pre-season game. After doing joint practice sessions during the week both teams withheld most if their starters. The game illustrated where the Jags stand. Their roster is incredibly deep. The wide receiver cuts are going to be brutal and local guys expects other teams to grab them so they won't make it back to practice squad.

A few health issues have creeped up. Davon Hamilton has some mysterious back issue that going to keep him out for a while. He was a rock on the interior d-line. We have some health issues on the backup offensive line but they starters all appear to be healthy.

Cam Robinson apparently was very disappointing at LT. He's going to miss the first 4 games (and maybe 5 because of logistics) and he's not expected back in 2024. His salary is no longer guaranteed. I think I would see about trading/cutting him.

[JaxRed]

Early returns from Jags game.... Dominant performance including the 1s over the 1s. Didn't see many reports of injuries except for Ventrell Miller, draftee out of Florida who was hurt there a lot. Was surprised to see Cam Robinson playing the entire game including late into the 2nd half.

Awaiting analysis from reporters etc.

[Kingspoint]

Both the Offensive and Defensive Lines of the Jaguars have some major issues to begin the season. They may struggle avoiding a 3-2 or 3-3 start.

[JaxRed]

Cutdown Day for Jags - Ventrell Miller tore his Achilles and out for year. Josh Well on IR also.

Biggest surprise was that Jags decided to keep 7 wide receivers. They really loved Elijah Cooks and Parker Washington. They decided to keep both. TE Prince being cut was a bit of a surprise. Most people expect Blake Hance to be added back tomorrow after being cut today. He would replace Cooper Hodges who would go on short term IR.

[Kingspoint]

Cutdown Day for Jags - Ventrell Miller tore his Achilles and out for year. Josh Well on IR also.

Biggest surprise was that Jags decided to keep 7 wide receivers. They really loved Elijah Cooks and Parker Washington. They decided to keep both. TE Prince being cut was a bit of a surprise. Most people expect Blake Hance to be added back tomorrow after being cut today. He would replace Cooper Hodges who would go on short term IR.


With both Starting Tackles missing time to begin the season, there's not going to be a lot of room to run the ball or time to throw to Receivers. Engram will be seeing, or should be seeing 10 targets per game. Kirk should, too. After that, it seems like they could use those extra Receiver spots for Tackles (on both sides of the Line) for the first four weeks.

[Sea Ray]

Both the Offensive and Defensive Lines of the Jaguars have some major issues to begin the season. They may struggle avoiding a 3-2 or 3-3 start.

With that division, no problem. They'll still win it going away

[Rojo Rijo]

With that division, no problem. They'll still win it going away

Two of our first 5 games are Kansas City and Buffalo. Now the other 4 are Indy x2, Atlanta, and Houston. If we're not at least 4-2 at that point something went wrong. Especially considering Kansas City, Buffalo, Indy, and Houston are home games. Atlanta is in London and the only true road game is Indy.

[Kingspoint]

Two of our first 5 games are Kansas City and Buffalo. Now the other 4 are Indy x2, Atlanta, and Houston. If we're not at least 4-2 at that point something went wrong. Especially considering Kansas City, Buffalo, Indy, and Houston are home games. Atlanta is in London and the only true road game is Indy.

Oh no, not at all. Your Starting Left Tackle is suspended for the first 4 games and your starting Right Tackle is injured for at least a couple of games and will be playing with an injury to start his season. The Defensive Line is dealing with multiple injuries out of the gate. It should be a slow start. I didn't know who they were playing when I said 3-2 or 3-3, but I would say that Kansas City and Buffalo are sure losses. Atlanta will be difficult. You know the history of intra-division games, so to go 3-0 against Indy and Houston is not realistic. They could even start out 2-4. They still win the Divison easily, of course, but they won't be hosting playoff games as the 4th Seed, except for the #4 vs #5 matchup. #1's have been upset before and if it's BAL, LAC or PIT going on the road in KC or CIN or BUF, each of them could pull off a win and then JAX gets to host another playoff game.

[JaxRed]

Well it's (finally) game day. Jags open up on the road against Indy. In theory this is as about a good of an opponent as you could hope for. Colts top running back is on PUP list and missing first 4 games. Starting QB is about as raw as can be but the owner has dictated that he start rather than sit for a while.

Jags are missing their best interior DL (Davon Hamilton) who is on IR for 4 games. But apart from that, defense is healthy with just minor issues for a couple guys. Offense looks to be in good health across the board.

No team is ever totally complete. Most people think the offense is way ahead of the defense. The big question on defense is where will the QB sacks/pressures come from. Jags need some guys like Travon Walker to take the next step.

On offense, the Jags offensive line is VERY young as they transition. We have a very experienced RG in Brandon Scherff. But the center is starting his second season (he did start all 17 games his rookie year). The LG Ben Bartch started 1 game in 2020, 11 games in 2021, and 2 in 2022 before being injured. So he starts 2023 as LG with 2 LG starts under his belt. The RT (Anton Harrison) is a rookie making his first start and the LT (Walker Little) has only 3 starts after taking over for an injured Cam Robinson.

Despite being young, I think Jags feel pretty good about this group going forward. Sherrf might be done after 2023. Almost certainly after 2024. But the hope is the other 4 are around for next 6 or 7 years. Cam Robinson, the backup LT, will either be traded after he returns from suspension or let go at end of season. They save 12 million for 2024 by releasing him.

But the receiver core is incredibly good. The running backs are incredibly good. The QB should be even better this year. The tight end group should be strong.

I'm predicting 31-13 Jags today

[JaxRed]

And apparently we just learned that OC Press Taylor is calling plays this year. Not gonna lie. That surprises me a bit.

[Kingspoint]

Calvin Ridley....

Best Free Agent pickup the last three years.

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And apparently we just learned that OC Press Taylor is calling plays this year. Not gonna lie. That surprises me a bit.

That explains the game-plan that was so different than any game in the recent past.

[Rojo Rijo]

Calvin Ridley....

Best Free Agent pickup the last three years.

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That explains the game-plan that was so different than any game in the recent past.

Ridley was a trade

[Kingspoint]

Ridley was a trade

Could not remember. Guess that makes it "best trade in the last 3 years".

[Rojo Rijo]

Chiefs 0-1
Bills 0-1
Bengals 0-1

Not a bad start for our Jags

[JaxRed]

Jags win 31-21 in a game that closer then the score indicates and wider than the score indicates. A paradox. The Jags were not hitting on all cylinders and did not put the game out of reach till late. On the the other hand, one of the Colts touchdowns was pretty much a total fluke.

In the end, I guess you don't turn your nose up at a 10 point, division, road win. Jags came out of the game with some bumps and bruises that have guys limited in practice, but nothing serious.

Tough assignment this week in the Chiefs, who will be hell bent to avoid going 0-2.

[Rojo Rijo]

Jags win 31-21 in a game that closer then the score indicates and wider than the score indicates. A paradox. The Jags were not hitting on all cylinders and did not put the game out of reach till late. On the the other hand, one of the Colts touchdowns was pretty much a total fluke.

In the end, I guess you don't turn your nose up at a 10 point, division, road win. Jags came out of the game with some bumps and bruises that have guys limited in practice, but nothing serious.

Tough assignment this week in the Chiefs, who will be hell bent to avoid going 0-2.

It's the NFL, no easy games. Especially not this early in the season when all 32 teams still believe in their product.

As for the Chiefs game i'm not too thrilled with the zebras - Adrian Hill and his crew. Jags are 0-5 with that crew and have 36 penalties for 288 yards in those games.

I'm not one to scream script, collusion, fix etc. but this feels like one of those games, like Elton Brand once told a younger teammate - "Gotta win by 15 to win by 1". Meaning we may have to play well enough to win big just to squeak by. I'm assuming we'll catch a PF/15 for anything done to Mahomes beyond just wrapping him up and holding him standing, considering it was us who injured his ankle last postseason.

[Rojo Rijo]

Tough loss yesterday. On a positive note our defense looks the part. Imagine there's a good chance that's not the last time we see the Chiefs this season.

[Kingspoint]

Zay Jones looks like he'll miss this week. But, the trenches are getting healthier. Kirk was given more plays after Zay Jones got hurt and got re-established. Ridley is so, so good. Wow! Engram, an excellent TE, has been an afterthought.

Jags are loaded. Looks like they are going to be competing to the last game for the #1 Seed in the AFC and a 1st Round bye. Losing the tie-breaker to the Chiefs hurt, but it's probably not the Chiefs they have to be worried about being tied with. Chiefs have holes still. They don't have to worry about the Bengals, that's for certain.

[WVRed]

Saw an interesting note:

The Jags game against the Ravens (assuming it isn't flexed) is the first Sunday night game for Jacksonville.

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[Rojo Rijo]

Saw an interesting note:

The Jags game against the Ravens (assuming it isn't flexed) is the first Sunday night game for Jacksonville.

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We've only played on Sunday Night once since it became part of NBCs package in 2006.

The last time Jacksonville was on Sunday Night Football - 2008
The last time Jacksonville was on Monday Night Football - 2011

Since 2012, the next fewest MNF appearances is 8. Jacksonville has 0.
Jacksonville is the only team without a SNF appearance in the last 15 years.

The league has seemingly justified this due to Jacksonville being terrible nearly every year since 2007 and giving them annual London and Thursday games each year. Hard to blame them, a bad Jags team is probably the worst TV draw in the league. Small market, extremely short history with no real accomplishments etc. etc.

The league did have us scheduled to play Pittsburgh on SNF in 2018 but it was later in the season and got flexed out once we proved to be awful again.

Another reason why Trevor Lawrence is our savior. Not only is helping make the team better but he's also making the team more appealing to a national audience.

[JaxRed]

Jags lost 17-9 to Chiefs, although Chiefs had easy chance to make it 24-9 but went into victory formation instead. The Jags offense sputtered all day long. Trevor had a BAD game. Doug/Press calling plays had a crappy game. Doug likes to go for it on 4th down. When your offense is clicking that sometimes makes sense.

But when your offense is doing nothing, extreme gambles on 4th down are foolhardy. Put the Jags defense in bad situations all day. With the exception of LT Little, the OL was porous all day long. Our backup RB got zero carries. And he's a big guy ("Tank") built for the goal line. When we get 1st and goal from the one,.... he's not in the game. And then we go shotgun, which removes QB sneak as something the defense has to defend, then Trevor changes the plan and goes naked to the outside for 2-3 yard loss. In all we ran 4 plays from first and goal from the 1. Not a single play was a run from a RB. And we failed to score.

One of Trevor's tells when he is not playing well is overthrowing guys high when in the Red zone and he was doing that all day.

It was a game that all off-season you looked at it and said "very probably a loss" and it was, but the manner in which we lost was discouraging.

Jags have a chance for a get well game at home against the winless Texas who are banged up. Texans have managed to win this game from us the last 5 years. Take care of business and everything looks ok. Falter here and it gets ugly.

[Sea Ray]

Jags lost 17-9 to Chiefs, although Chiefs had easy chance to make it 24-9 but went into victory formation instead. The Jags offense sputtered all day long. Trevor had a BAD game. Doug/Press calling plays had a crappy game. Doug likes to go for it on 4th down. When your offense is clicking that sometimes makes sense.

But when your offense is doing nothing, extreme gambles on 4th down are foolhardy. Put the Jags defense in bad situations all day. With the exception of LT Little, the OL was porous all day long. Our backup RB got zero carries. And he's a big guy ("Tank") built for the goal line. When we get 1st and goal from the one,.... he's not in the game. And then we go shotgun, which removes QB sneak as something the defense has to defend, then Trevor changes the plan and goes naked to the outside for 2-3 yard loss. In all we ran 4 plays from first and goal from the 1. Not a single play was a run from a RB. And we failed to score.

One of Trevor's tells when he is not playing well is overthrowing guys high when in the Red zone and he was doing that all day.

It was a game that all off-season you looked at it and said "very probably a loss" and it was, but the manner in which we lost was discouraging.

Jags have a chance for a get well game at home against the winless Texas who are banged up. Texans have managed to win this game from us the last 5 years. Take care of business and everything looks ok. Falter here and it gets ugly.

So did it get ugly?

[Rojo Rijo]

Press Taylor has to be better.
Pash rush is beyond pitiful right now. Walker/Chaisson/Allen are underperforming and there is no depth behind them.

Next up is a long trip to London to play Atlanta then Buffalo.

Add the sluggish start to the current stadium/taxpayer issues and things aren't looking too sunny.

[JaxRed]

Narrator: It got ugly.

The talking heads that seem to know football around here say Jags are losing both sides of the line play. Jags management bet all off-season that they could get pass rush from Davon Hamilton (inside) who they love and just signed to a long term deal. And from improvement (outside) from Josh Allen in his final year and Travon Walker in his 2nd year. Well Davio has been on injured reserve with a back injury specifically listed as non-football injury. And then this last week they casually mentioned he's keeping up with his antibiotics so no one knows what the hell the issue is.

And Walker and Allen have NOT taken the next step. The Walker pick over Hutchinson looks worse and worse all the time. So hope for a revived pass rush seem to rest on getting Hamilton back and getting Smoot back from Achilles injury. We're missing our other 1st rounder from that draft, LB Lloyd for maybe a couple weeks with a broken bone in his hand that required surgery.

On the OL it seems to be the consensus that everyone except LT Little is struggling a bit. But especially LG Ben Bartch who missed last year. Now, instead of trading Cam Robinson, Jags are likely to put Cam back at LT and move Little to LG. They are hoping Harrison gets better as he gets experience in his rookie year. Later on in the year there is hope that Jags can get a look at Cooper Hodges a 7th rounder out of App State who was impressing everyone in camp. He's a RG.

Om offense, Trevor is back to his early 2022 self. Sometimes throwing too high for guys, sometimes not seeing wide open guys. Hopefully he reverts to late 2022 Trevor. No one else had said this. This is just me talking, But maybe the reason the Falcons let go of Ridley is his mental toughness. When things don't go his way early, he seems to mentally crawl into the fetal position.

So I'm hoping Jags can pull one out Sunday. I'm not optimistic. It's a coin flip to me. We have a lot of nagging injuries.

[Rojo Rijo]

Team looked a lot better today. Going to need to be even better next week against Buffalo.

[Kingspoint]

Team looked a lot better today. Going to need to be even better next week against Buffalo.

Just need a really good spy on Allen at all times. Defenders need to stay in their lanes.

[Rojo Rijo]

Cam Robinson returns from suspension
Dawuane Smoot 21-day practice window opened
Antonio Johnson returns to practive, may return against Buffalo

[Kingspoint]

Cam Robinson returns from suspension
Dawuane Smoot 21-day practice window opened
Antonio Johnson returns to practive, may return against Buffalo

Your rivals, Houston, are set to return the #62 overal pick, Juice Scruggs, for Week 6. Scruggs has missed the entire season. They are also set to return Pro Bowl LT Laremy Tunsil, who has missed the last 3 games. He practiced today, but it's still to be seen if he plays on Sunday. RT Tytus Howard was on IR to open the season and appears ready to go for Week 5 as his practice window was opened this week. They lost LG Kendris Green to a meniscus tear, so it's not all good news for their makeshift line that is currently ranked 16th in pass-blocking this season (amazing) per PFF. Some teams make excuses. Some teams just get it done.

C. J. Stroud has been incredible so far this season when you see the personnel that he has on the Offensive Line. RB Dameon Pierce finally got something going in Week 4 as he rushed more than 38 yards for the first time this season with his 81 yards versus the Steelers. The Receiving group of Nico Collins (dynamic so far this season), dependable Robert Woods, icon Dalton Schultz and 3rd Rd Rookie sensation Tank Dell have all found connections with Stroud.

Houston's Defense has also been formidable. The Texans are a legitimate playoff contender in 2023. They are only going to get leaps and bounds better as the season moves along.

[Kingspoint]

Jaguars are trending towards getting back 1st Round Pick, Zay Jones, who has been out since hurting his knee in Week 2. At the time, he appeared to have already pass Christian Kirk on the depth chart, so getting him back this week would give the Jags a tremendous boost, even if it's for 40% snaps.

[Boss-Hog]

Jaguars are trending towards getting back 1st Round Pick, Zay Jones, who has been out since hurting his knee in Week 2. At the time, he appeared to have already pass Christian Kirk on the depth chart, so getting him back this week would give the Jags a tremendous boost, even if it's for 40% snaps.I think you're thinking of the Ravens' Zay Flowers as the first round pick. Zay Jones is on the Jags but was a second round pick for the Bills back in 2017.

[Kingspoint]

I think you're thinking of the Ravens' Zay Flowers as the first round pick. Zay Jones is on the Jags but was a second round pick for the Bills back in 2017.

No, I'm thinking of Zay Jones. Just wrong about what round he was drafted in.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/player-news/246312/zay-jones-knee-questionable-for-week-5-jaguars-optimistic

[JaxRed]

Jags won a workmanlike game against Atlanta 23-7. Defense played great. Threw up a "Net Zero" because they gave up 7 and scored 7 on a pick 6.

Offense sluggish as hell again. Jags are having major trouble running the ball and their passing game is mostly "horizontal". Throws out to the flats. Gives Trevor a great completion percentage but leaves us short on 5th down. We have one of the NFLs worst third down completion rates And we continue to do stupid stuff when faced with short yardage down at the goal line. Pound the rock with the guy called Tank.

Smoot has started practicing but will not play this week..

Jags are moving their best O linemen to LG supposedly to accommodate Cam Robinson. It won't be this week but I am waiting for the activation of Cooper Hodges. Just because everyone was so impressed with him during camp. He's a 7th round pick and i'm salivating at replacing (eventually) a very expensive Brandon Sherrf with 7th rounder.

At any rate we have a game against Buffalo who looked fantastic against Miami. Expecting a loss on this one.

[Rojo Rijo]

Big time Win today against Buffalo

[Kingspoint]

Big time Win today against Buffalo

...and they ended for the season two of their Starting Defensive players. Buffalo is going to have to win a shootout to win any games.

[JaxRed]

Jags surprised me by taking down Buffalo in our best game of the season so far. Cam Robinson did go to LT with Walker Little moving to LG. As Tony Boselli put it, Little is our best tackle and he's our best guard. Little left the game with a knee injury but it appears we dodged a bullet and he may not miss much time. Pederson has said if Little can't go, it's Shatley at LG not Bartch, so there's an official changing of the guard (literally).

Trevor Lawrence had far and away his best game of the year and much of it was to Calvin Ridley.

Jags are getting some guys back. Smoot is practicing and expected to play Sunday. Davon Hamilton is now practicing and hopes to play before the bye. He'll then tell everyone what the mystery illness/disease was. Kind of looks like no Zay Jones and no Walker Little this weekend.

Big game. Tied for first with Indy. Indy wins and they take the lead and our momentum is gone. We win we keep the momentum and essentially have a 2 game leaad over Indy because we won both games. It will be a little tougher this time because Richardson is on the IR and we have to face Minshew who's a better QB.

[JaxRed]

A lot of teams are starting to realize they stink and are looking at dumping players at the trading dealing. Including maybe some pass rushers. Reporter Hays Carlyon is 100% convinced Jags will trade for a pash rusher. We owe Atlanta a 3rd round pick for Ridley that becomes a 2nd if we sign him to a long term deal.

However Carlyon says the team is convinced they will not have to give up a 2nd. So maybe what they are planning is to put the franchise tag on Ridley and not sign him to a long term deal until after the draft. I assume that works but you'd think you might burn some bridges with the Falcons GM.

[Kingspoint]

With Jonathan Taylor back, Moss running great, and Minshew currently a better QB than Richardson (and the knowledge that he's going to be the QB for the next 6 weeks), the Jags/Colts matchup is going to be great this week.

Indianapolis currently has the 4th best Offensive Line in the NFL per PFF and they are getting help this week on their Defensive side.

WR JOSH DOWNS, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS VS. CB TRE HERNDON, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Indianapolis third-round rookie wide receiver Josh Downs (71.9 PFF receiving grade) profiles as a points-per-reception WR2 with backup quarterback Gardner Minshew (64.4 PFF passing grade) at the helm while starting quarterback Anthony Richardson (56.5 PFF passing grade) rehabilitates a Grade 3 AC joint sprain.

The game opened with a fantasy-friendly 46.5-point FanDuel over/under.

Minshew has totaled 91 offensive snaps in relief of Richardson this year, with 89 coming in Weeks 2, 3 and 5.

PFF’s OL/DL matchup chart gives Indianapolis a 16.0% pass-blocking matchup advantage rating, the ninth best on the week. Should Jacksonville edge rusher Josh Allen (81.3 PFF pass-rush grade) beat his man, Downs stands to benefit by already having earned two of Minshew’s three scramble-drill passing attempts.

Downs’ 82.8% pre-snap alignment slot rate results in PFF’s WR/CB matchup chart projecting him to face Jacksonville slot cornerback Tre Herndon (67.1 PFF coverage grade) on 24 of 28 receiving snaps.

The table below ranks in parentheses Herndon’s slot receiver coverage data among 33 NFL slot cornerbacks with at least 25 wide receiver coverage snaps.

PFF Slot-Coverage Grade 52.9 (No. 22)

Catch % Allowed 83.3% (No. 25)
Yards Allowed per Slot Coverage Snap 2.84 (No. 29)
15-Plus-Yard Pass Plays Allowed % 7.0% (No. 28)

Downs excels on Minshew’s first-read targets. His offensive role should continue to grow in Week 6.

The table below ranks in parentheses Downs’ first-read receiving data among 61 NFL wide receivers with at least 50 first-read receiving snaps in Weeks 2, 3 and 5.

PFF Receiving Grade 79.8 (No. 15)

Target % – YPRR 25.8% (No. 24) – 2.48 (No. 20)
Catch % 87.5% (T-No. 3)
YAC/Rec. 5.1 (No. 15)
Missed Tackles Forced 2 (T-No. 8)
15-Plus-Yard Pass Plays 3 (T-No. 27)

Downs has easy access to a top-24 Week 6 PPR finish.

[Kingspoint]

Jaguars designated DT DaVon Hamilton (back) to return from injured reserve. This is welcomed news for the Jaguars, who have been without their starting defensive tackle through the first five weeks. Hamilton was signed to a three-year extension this offfseason after setting career-highs in tackles (56), TFLs (5), and sacks (2.5). The team has officially opened his 21-day window for a return and can activate him whenever they feel he is ready.

Source: Demetrius Harvey

[JaxRed]

I usually wait a few days for the impact (and injuries) of a game to settle in. But Jags are the Thursday night game so everything is compressed. This is the part of the schedule where the schedule makers throw a hurdle up for Jags. You've just come back from England, with no bye. And then you play a Thursday night game on the road.

Sneak out a win here, and get 10 days off. Then another game and the bye.

Jags were in control all game. Biggest complaint a Jags fan might have is that when we were in control we seemingly went into cruise mode instead of really extending the lead.

[Rojo Rijo]

Hope Trevors MRI is clean. Would like to see him good to go for TNF but if he's limited at all i'd rather just throw CJ out there. Though if it's minor I could see Trevor playing through it, getting 10 days, then another game, then 2 weeks to rest/heal.

[Kingspoint]

That was a lot of time spent in England. There may be a strange adjustment that takes a while for them to make.

In the meantime, Minshew should give the Colts a better chance than Richardson for the rest of the season and Houston is proving to be the real deal, as far as being relevant into December. Tennessee looks like they will be the first team eliminated from the playoffs in this Division.

[JaxRed]

Hope Trevors MRI is clean. Would like to see him good to go for TNF but if he's limited at all i'd rather just throw CJ out there. Though if it's minor I could see Trevor playing through it, getting 10 days, then another game, then 2 weeks to rest/heal.

I hope he can go also. But if he doesn't, I'd like to see some Roarke action.

[Big Red Smokey]

Trevor is active

[Sea Ray]

I'm jealous my team can't play the Saints

[Rojo Rijo]

Another win yet that's the second in a row where we've been up multiple scores only to let our opponent score 2 touchdowns in a row in the 4th quarter in a game that should've been put away. This time up 24-9 with 6:47 in Q3 only to find it 24-24 a quarter later at 6:38 in the 4th. Thank goodness Kirk turned on the burners and scored that TD. Also a good thing we got that defensive TD for Oluokun to put us up 24-9.

I think we have a very good shot at beating the Steelers on the road next weekend, especially getting 10 days to prepare. I just hope they don't take them lightly/look past them to the bye week and have another Texans game type performance.

I'm also needing to see more out of Lawrence. He plays very smart and only has 4 turnovers through 7 weeks which is very good but the time will come when this team will need him to perform like the generational talent he is in order to push them forward. The 49ers come to town the week after the bye, that will be a big test.

[JaxRed]

Jags played a sloppy game in New Orleans but came away with a road win on a short week. I guess I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. We go to 5-2. Offense had 2 nice drives then sputtered, eventually losing the lead. If a ball hadn't been dropped in the end zone, at end of game we might have lost.

Calvin Ridley disappeared again, and now you hear rumblings about maybe not extending him. Making him a rental. Lot of time left.

We get a mini-bye, travel to Pittsburgh and then have an actual bye. So a chance for Jags to get rested/healthy. The healthy part is happening. Walker Little and Davon Hamilton are practicing. They both are 50/50 for Pittsburgh but almost 100% certainty coming out of the bye against 49's.

Davon is interesting. I assume Jags would like to see him in action before the trade deadline. Maybe factors in to whether we make a move to pick up pass-rushing help.

[Rojo Rijo]

Ridley is getting a lot of attention from defenses. They know he'll win most of the time 1v1. I saw a clip where he was being interviewed and the guy kept throwing him questions about his limited usage, almost the same question phrased differently four or five times and Ridley just kept saying he's happy that the offense is scoring and he's happy when the team wins. On top of that he seemed completely genuine when responding. Absolute A+ responses for a situation where he was being fed leading questions about not getting targets, is he not happy etc etc etc.

[Kingspoint]

Ridley is getting a lot of attention from defenses. They know he'll win most of the time 1v1. I saw a clip where he was being interviewed and the guy kept throwing him questions about his limited usage, almost the same question phrased differently four or five times and Ridley just kept saying he's happy that the offense is scoring and he's happy when the team wins. On top of that he seemed completely genuine when responding. Absolute A+ responses for a situation where he was being fed leading questions about not getting targets, is he not happy etc etc etc.

They've got play-makers all around. Looks like Trevor Lawrence will play through his injury again.

[Rojo Rijo]

They've got play-makers all around. Looks like Trevor Lawrence will play through his injury again.

Hopefully all goes well and he can get to the bye week without any issues.

[Rojo Rijo]

Pulled out another W. Wasnt the prettiest but got the job done. 6-2 heading into the bye with San Fransisco coming to town in 2 weeks. I think there's a good chance the game gets flexed into SNF. The current SNF game for that night is Jets-Raiders.

[Sea Ray]

Pulled out another W. Wasnt the prettiest but got the job done. 6-2 heading into the bye with San Fransisco coming to town in 2 weeks. I think there's a good chance the game gets flexed into SNF. The current SNF game for that night is Jets-Raiders.

Do they flex Sunday night games this early in the year?

[KoryMac5]

Do they flex Sunday night games this early in the year?

Flex scheduling for Sunday Night Football can be used twice between Weeks 5-10 and anytime between Weeks 11-17

[Kingspoint]

Hopefully all goes well and he can get to the bye week without any issues.

Made it. Utilized one of the most under-rated TE's in the NFL, if not the most under-rated. 10 for 10 on targets to Engram.

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Pulled out another W. Wasnt the prettiest but got the job done. 6-2 heading into the bye with San Fransisco coming to town in 2 weeks. I think there's a good chance the game gets flexed into SNF. The current SNF game for that night is Jets-Raiders.

Please! No more Jets or Giants on prime-time. Please!

[JaxRed]

Trading deadline and Jags make one move, but not one that most folks expected. We stand pat on defense and instead trade for LG Ezra Cleveland from Minnesota. Assuming he's healthy (he sat out last 2 games with foot injury), he'll step in at starting LG for Tyler Shatley. Jags released former starter Ben Bartch.

Cleveland is a free agent coming up. Would be nice to sign him to long term and solidify LG, but word on the street is he wants to be a LT. And we already have 2 of those.

[Kingspoint]

Jacksonville already has the crappiest schedule in the NFL so why not make it worse?

[Rojo Rijo]

Solid acquisition for a day 3 pick, even if just a rental. Would've liked to see them beef up the DL but i'm not a fan of the price tags on the DL who were dealt.

Chase Young - San Fransisco paid a 2024 3rd round pick for Young who is in his last year of his deal as Washington didn't pick up his 5th year option this Spring.
*Reports saying Washington saw this as addition by subtraction. Concerns that he can't stay on the field and is undisciplined.
Montez Sweat - Chicago paid a 2024 2nd round pick for Sweat who is in the last year of his rookie deal.
Leonard Williams - Seattle paid a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th rd pick for Williams.
*Seattle paid a higher price in order for New York to eat a large chunk of the money still owed to Williams.

If we had traded for a DL my hope would've been for Danielle Hunter, though im sure the price wouldve been similar and he is also in the last year and is likely headed for a large deal next Spring.

[JaxRed]

The Jags have returned from their Bye week and Peterson has a press conference where he makes it 100% clear that Walker Little is the LG and Cleveland is a back up. Also Zay Jones doesn't appear to be close to returning.

[Kingspoint]

The Jags have returned from their Bye week and Peterson has a press conference where he makes it 100% clear that Walker Little is the LG and Cleveland is a back up. Also Zay Jones doesn't appear to be close to returning.

It's definitely concerning that after the Bye, Jones is still not practicing (or was he limited today?). But, I do believe he's listed as Questionable, so that there is an improvement. While the Jags are a rival of the Bengals as long as they are challenging for a home field spot (I would like to see them with more losses than the Bengals), I'm hoping Zay Jones could get going so we could see what your Quarterback can do with him.

[Rojo Rijo]

The Jags have returned from their Bye week and Peterson has a press conference where he makes it 100% clear that Walker Little is the LG and Cleveland is a back up. Also Zay Jones doesn't appear to be close to returning.

This is what I figured (regarding Zay) but then the depth chart posted (showing Little starting over Cleveland) had Jones listed as a starting WR.

[Kingspoint]

Jones was limited today in the first official practice of the week.

[Kingspoint]

This is no longer Jacksonville's Division to lose. It's wide-open with all four teams capable of winning it. Jacksonville will make the playoffs, more than likely, but Indianapolis gets their Starting RT back this week after being out since Week 5, making the best running team in the NFL an even more dominant running team (while limiting the throws Minshew will have to make and making the Colts' Defense much fresher).

HOU plays the Bengals this week after their 475-yard performance by the 2023 Rookie-of-the-Year C. J. Stroud, but Stroud has been doing this all season. For the first time this season, he's going to have all five of his top Receivers healthy [Starters Nico Collins and Robert Woods (actually, Woods will probably miss one more game), Rookie Tank Dell, Deep Threat Noah Brown and TE Dalton Schultz]. Singletary, now healthy, has taken over Starting RB duties over Dameon Pierce (questionable). Houston's Defense has given up only 9 more points that JAX's Defense, while TEN's Defense has only given up 4 more points.

Tennessee finally has a chance to have an Offense match their Defense with Levis at the helm and being given the permanent job as declared by the Head Coach. Tannehill stated that of course he doesn't like it, but he's going to be supporting and helping Levis all he can.

There are very few easy games in the AFC vs AFC matchups. If Kansas City hadn't been gifted two wins, the overall standings would be even tighter as the Chiefs would be sitting at 5-4 and the Jets would have one more win and actually have a better record than the Chiefs at 5-3.

[Rojo Rijo]

Well the 49ers exposed just about every single weakness in this team. Lawrence was frequently under pressure, sacked 5 times, and had 3 turnovers. A usually strong defense was gashed for 437 yards and had no takeaways. The Jags continued to funnel the offense through Kirk and Etienne, though the later was bottled up and the former made a pocket full of costly mistakes.

Things I don't understand -
1 - For as much hype and pedigree there is with #16, why does he continue to play the game passively and like a game managing QB at times. He has his wow moments but for what he is/is supposed to be it's starting to get frustrating. In his rookie year he produced 14 TDs to 17 TOs then he took a big step last year with 30 TDs to 17 TOs. This year, 9 games in, he has 9 TDs to 10 TOs. Now I get the angle here in a lot of these games. Defense is playing well, offense has them winning and they flip into run the ball mode. This just isnt an explosive offense in any way and with the names we have at the skill positions that is just flat out unacceptable. This team is going to be in trouble because both Stroud and Richardson look like they're ready to put up numbers for their offenses.

2 - Ridley. I don't even know what to say. At this point I would have to wonder if they just let him walk. If they do that then the pick to Atlanta is likely a 3rd (with a 3rd or a 4th based on an undisclosed amount of playing time) and not a 2nd. Whatever the reason they just don't seem keen on him being more than the 3rd option at best, and at times not even the 4th but instead a decoy. He's clearly behind Etienne and Kirk, then often he's behind Engram in the pecking order. Maybe he just doesnt fit well with 16, maybe he's not getting separation like he should (which if that's the case i'd ? how much that's been influenced by not getting targets), I don't know. It's just absolutely confusing at this point.

3 - Punting at the deadline. Sure they added Cleveland but he didnt play this week. They chose to not beef up the pass rush like a handful of teams (including SF). I know we reached out on Chase Young, Brian Burns, and Danielle Hunter but in the end we came up empty. Just makes me wonder if the organization doesnt see this year as part of the window?

- - - Updated - - -


This is no longer Jacksonville's Division to lose. It's wide-open with all four teams capable of winning it. Jacksonville will make the playoffs, more than likely, but Indianapolis gets their Starting RT back this week after being out since Week 5, making the best running team in the NFL an even more dominant running team (while limiting the throws Minshew will have to make and making the Colts' Defense much fresher).

HOU plays the Bengals this week after their 475-yard performance by the 2023 Rookie-of-the-Year C. J. Stroud, but Stroud has been doing this all season. For the first time this season, he's going to have all five of his top Receivers healthy [Starters Nico Collins and Robert Woods (actually, Woods will probably miss one more game), Rookie Tank Dell, Deep Threat Noah Brown and TE Dalton Schultz]. Singletary, now healthy, has taken over Starting RB duties over Dameon Pierce (questionable). Houston's Defense has given up only 9 more points that JAX's Defense, while TEN's Defense has only given up 4 more points.

Tennessee finally has a chance to have an Offense match their Defense with Levis at the helm and being given the permanent job as declared by the Head Coach. Tannehill stated that of course he doesn't like it, but he's going to be supporting and helping Levis all he can.

There are very few easy games in the AFC vs AFC matchups. If Kansas City hadn't been gifted two wins, the overall standings would be even tighter as the Chiefs would be sitting at 5-4 and the Jets would have one more win and actually have a better record than the Chiefs at 5-3.

Tennessee doesnt scare me at all. I thought Levis was overrated at UK and still do. That team will hit the reset button very soon. Henry, Hopkins, all the higher priced vets will be gone and it'll be a restart. Now Houston and Indianapolis are both very concerning considering how well their new rookie QBs played (though AR is hurt).

[Kingspoint]

Tennessee doesnt scare me at all. I thought Levis was overrated at UK and still do. That team will hit the reset button very soon. Henry, Hopkins, all the higher priced vets will be gone and it'll be a restart. Now Houston and Indianapolis are both very concerning considering how well their new rookie QBs played (though AR is hurt).

IND's and HOU's Defenses are both playing better than JAX's right now.

[JaxRed]

Well the Jags got steamrolled by the 49's. Got beat in every way imaginable. When Jags were 6-2 and people were complaining about facets of their game, you're hear people saying "they are 6-2, why complain?" This is why. The record was masking some poor play and weaknesses.

Jax has the least vertical passing offense in the NFL. Everything we do is off to the sides. That has made Ridley ineffective. How much of that, and the idiotic way we play during 3rd and 4th down with just a couple yards needed, is due to offensive line issues is unknown.

Tony Boselli said in the 10 snaps Walker Little played before tweaking his knee that he played great al LG. Well he played pretty bad during a full game Sunday. Peterson says he is still the starter. Boselli thinks it one last chance before they insert Cleveland.

And we've gotten just average play from Lawrence. And now for 2 weeks in a row an opposing defensive player is saying "If you take away his first read he's in trouble". Well in the first game, they took away his first read and he was in trouble.

The good news for the Jags is that the daunting upcoming schedule just got a lot less daunting as we will now face Bengals and Browns without Burrow and Watson.

The bad news is CJ Stroud is the real deal. HC DeMeco Ryans is the real deal. And Houston's schedule the rest of the way is weak. The Texans/Jags game on Thanksgiving weekend is going to be huge.

[JaxRed]

Well 2 weeks later the Jags have divisional wins over Titans and Houston. The Titans was a workmanlike dismantling. Titans are just not in Jags weight class this year. The jury is still out on Levis, but Tannehill's time is over in Tennessee. He'll be 36 next year, will be a FA and has only a 9 mill dead cap. And Titans currently have most cap space next year.

I would think the only question is whether rolling with Levis and Willis is enough or whether you also want a journeyman back up.

The Houston game was much tougher, and much more meaningful. Jags win 24-21 when a 56 yard field goal attempt at the buzzer doinks off the crossbar. Tough game against division foe on the road. Seems like Jags got most of the calls. We'll take it. If we lost we are essentially 2nd, because Texans held all the tiebreakers and have an easy schedule coming up. But with a win we have 2 game lead over Texas and Indy.

The OL question may have been answered for us as LT Cam Robinson hurt his left knee and it may be bad. He was crying on the sidelines. So Walker Little slid to LT and trade deadline acquisition Ezra Cleveland became the LG. Jags can save 16 million with just a 5 million cap hit next year by cutting Robinson, so we may have just seen the end of his Jags career.

[Rojo Rijo]

Remaining schedule is mostly fair weather -

vs. Cincinnati - MNF
at Cleveland
vs. Baltimore - SNF
at Tampa Bay
vs. Carolina
at Tennessee

So that looks like -
Jake Browning, DTR or PJ Walker, Lamar, Baker, Bryce Young, and Will Levis.

Gotta take care of business on the road against 2 teams who are very much capable of winning games - Cleveland and Tampa Bay. The 3 others - Cincinnati, Carolina, and at Tennessee are games we should win. The game against the Ravens could be huge for playoff positioning. Games like that one end up being the difference between Baltimore at Jacksonville or Jacksonville at Baltimore come January.

[Rojo Rijo]

Awful night all around for the Jags. With a chance to take the drivers seat in the AFC playoff race we suffered a defeat to the Bengals. Christian Kirk is now reported as possibly needing surgery and Lawrence has a right ankle sprain, which hopefully won't cause him to miss too much time.

Walker Little needs to be benched indefinitely. Both times Lawrence has been injured this season was Little being pushed back into him and stepping onto his lower leg. Absolutely unacceptable.

[Chip R]

Awful night all around for the Jags. With a chance to take the drivers seat in the AFC playoff race we suffered a defeat to the Bengals. Christian Kirk is now reported as possibly needing surgery and Lawrence has a right ankle sprain, which hopefully won't cause him to miss too much time.

Walker Little needs to be benched indefinitely. Both times Lawrence has been injured this season was Little being pushed back into him and stepping onto his lower leg. Absolutely unacceptable.

They need to install natural grass tomorrow. ;)

[Assembly Hall]

Good news on Lawrence today.

[Sea Ray]

Good news on Lawrence today.

Those high ankle sprains can be tough. Very slow to heal

[Rojo Rijo]

Can't imagine Lawrence suits up this week. Best case is he's ready for SNF against Baltimore on 12/17, giving him almost 2 weeks to heal.

[Sea Ray]

Can't imagine Lawrence suits up this week. Best case is he's ready for SNF against Baltimore on 12/17, giving him almost 2 weeks to heal.

If he makes it back on 12-17 it's an amazing recovery. High ankle sprains can take months

[WVRed]

Awful night all around for the Jags. With a chance to take the drivers seat in the AFC playoff race we suffered a defeat to the Bengals. Christian Kirk is now reported as possibly needing surgery and Lawrence has a right ankle sprain, which hopefully won't cause him to miss too much time.

Walker Little needs to be benched indefinitely. Both times Lawrence has been injured this season was Little being pushed back into him and stepping onto his lower leg. Absolutely unacceptable.If anything I was more surprised that Lawrence had to walk with help off the field.

Are the Jags too cheap to provide a hospital gurney to transport their franchise QB to keep his leg stabilized to decrease the risk of further injury? Colin Cowherd even said as much earlier this week.

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[Rojo Rijo]

If anything I was more surprised that Lawrence had to walk with help off the field.

Are the Jags too cheap to provide a hospital gurney to transport their franchise QB to keep his leg stabilized to decrease the risk of further injury? Colin Cowherd even said as much earlier this week.

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Cowherd hates the Jags. He’s one of the big anti-Jax NFL guys. Even in 2017 when we made the AFC Championship he was talking about how nobody would care about a Super Bowl with the Jaguars playing.

I’ve seen multiple people who were at the game report that Lawrence turned down the cart when it came to get him. This seems a far more likely scenario than a NFL franchise making an injured player walk, especially a franchise QB. Even Logan Cooke spoke up and called Cowherd a clown and said the people in the Jags facility are treated like gold.

I can’t stand Cowherd. On top of the anti Jags stuff he was also been negative about Votto back when he was prime Joey, pretty much saying he wasn’t as good as he was made out to be. Cowherd is a big market dbag.

[Sea Ray]

Cowherd hates the Jags. He’s one of the big anti-Jax NFL guys. Even in 2017 when we made the AFC Championship he was talking about how nobody would care about a Super Bowl with the Jaguars playing.

I’ve seen multiple people who were at the game report that Lawrence turned down the cart when it came to get him. This seems a far more likely scenario than a NFL franchise making an injured player walk, especially a franchise QB. Even Logan Cooke spoke up and called Cowherd a clown and said the people in the Jags facility are treated like gold.

I can’t stand Cowherd. On top of the anti Jags stuff he was also been negative about Votto back when he was prime Joey, pretty much saying he wasn’t as good as he was made out to be. Cowherd is a big market dbag.

Cowherd is a front runner. He loves the blue bloods and the big markets. I'm sure Jacksonville is nothing more than a farm market to him. He follows the NFL, the NBA and this year he's followed some college football and that's it. I'm sure Joey Votto is the only Cin Red he can name

[Kingspoint]

Good news on Lawrence today.

Pretty classy by Hendrickson at the time of the injury.

[oregonred]

Cowherd hates the Jags. He’s one of the big anti-Jax NFL guys. Even in 2017 when we made the AFC Championship he was talking about how nobody would care about a Super Bowl with the Jaguars playing.

I’ve seen multiple people who were at the game report that Lawrence turned down the cart when it came to get him. This seems a far more likely scenario than a NFL franchise making an injured player walk, especially a franchise QB. Even Logan Cooke spoke up and called Cowherd a clown and said the people in the Jags facility are treated like gold.

I can’t stand Cowherd. On top of the anti Jags stuff he was also been negative about Votto back when he was prime Joey, pretty much saying he wasn’t as good as he was made out to be. Cowherd is a big market dbag.

From a small town in Washington with a lot of years on the local nbc station in Portland. Although I did actually like his morning show when I lived out there before he moved to ESPN (which he always bashed when he was a small local sports host)

[Kingspoint]

Cowherd has always known how to "poke the bear". That seems to always be his trademark.

[Rojo Rijo]

If he makes it back on 12-17 it's an amazing recovery. High ankle sprains can take months

Back on the practice field today

[Boss-Hog]

If he makes it back on 12-17 it's an amazing recovery. High ankle sprains can take monthsGenerally speaking, this is is true, or at least a month or more, but just last season, Mahomes suffered one against the Jags in the divisional playoffs and played against the Bengals eight days later, so the position and grade of the injury definitely matter.

[Sea Ray]

Back on the practice field today

Really?

NFL Week 14 injuries: Vikings' Justin Jefferson set to return; Jaguars' Trevor Lawrence not practicing

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-14-injuries-vikings-justin-jefferson-set-to-return-jaguars-trevor-lawrence-not-practicing/

[Rojo Rijo]

Really?

NFL Week 14 injuries: Vikings' Justin Jefferson set to return; Jaguars' Trevor Lawrence not practicing

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-14-injuries-vikings-justin-jefferson-set-to-return-jaguars-trevor-lawrence-not-practicing/

If you scroll down and read the paragraph discussing Jags/Browns it quotes Lawrence from Wednesday. Lawrence was a limited participant in practice today per most sources and there’s footage as well. Pretty sure CBS ran that article with yesterday’s info.

[Sea Ray]

If you scroll down and read the paragraph discussing Jags/Browns it quotes Lawrence from Wednesday. Lawrence was a limited participant in practice today per most sources and there’s footage as well. Pretty sure CBS ran that article with yesterday’s info.

:thumbup:

[Kingspoint]

Back on the practice field today

Dedicated. Ownership needs to protect him from himself. Not sure if the G.M. is willing to do so as that job requires winning now, too.

[Rojo Rijo]

Dedicated. Ownership needs to protect him from himself. Not sure if the G.M. is willing to do so as that job requires winning now, too.

It is a bit worrisome. I'm just hoping the injury was really mild and he's not risking worsening the injury. Like many have already noted a typical high ankle sprain is not a short term injury.

[JaxRed]

Brutal game for the Jags who could have controlled their own destiny to the #1 overall seed. The defense basically gave that game away. If you score 31 you should win. Jags lose Christian Kirk for at least 4 games. Lots of other guys are hurting. Trevor Lawrence has high ankle sprain and although he may play will be way less than 100%.

Not sure what was up with the game plan last week, but when he does not have an ankle sprain (so not this week), QB runs should be a major part of the arsenal for the Jags. All he did were QB sneaks. 5 runs 8 yards.

So do I think the Jags can beat the Browns? Am I sure they will? Not at all.

[Sea Ray]

A really big kudos to Trevor Lawrence for playing today but I don't think Cleveland is a good team to face on a bad wheel

[GAC]

A really big kudos to Trevor Lawrence for playing today but I don't think Cleveland is a good team to face on a bad wheel

3 INTs and 4 sacks (so far). I can't believe Flacco's numbers (lol)

[The Operator]

Big special teams flub when the Jags shoild have been getting the ball back.


Ouch.

[The Operator]

Jags defense manages to work another stop.


Bengals fans are rooting for y’all!

[Kingspoint]

That 4th-and-3 was blatant Pass Interference.

[Rojo Rijo]

Good news is Lawrence appears healthy.

Bad news is we dropped another game and dont look like a team that will easily walk with the division or be in a position where we should win our 1st round home playoff game.

Offensive play calling is too bland and often predictable. Press and the offense rely too much on Lawrence having to make tough plays and Etienne having to turn little into 6, 7, 8+ yard runs. That's going to be extremely difficult to do and be successful when playing against a high level defense.

WRs made some good plays but Ridley not looking for the ball when we were on the Browns 24 yard line and it was intercepted costs us at least 3 points then Parker Washington trying to stiff arm a linebacker (smh) then fumbling and giving the Browns the ball on the 22 yard line gave them points.

The offsides on the 4th and 6 was so dumb. We got the ball back but Cleveland took almost 2 more minutes off the clock and moved the ball 20+ yards down the field.

Next week is Baltimore at home on SNF. They barely escaped a loss to the Rams this week at home. After this game the schedule finishes up at Tampa, vs. Carolina, and at Tennessee.

[JaxRed]

I think the most direct takeaway from the game was Ridley is NOT the guy. I now think he may move on after the season. And it's mental. Too many mental errors and problems. One interception was directly on him. There's been scuttlebutt for weeks about missed routes etc. And if you see the highlight of Washington on his touchdown catch, check out the bottom of the screen and watch Ridley decide to take the play off and argue with an official instead of running his route.

And offensive line woes. We were down to our 3rd LT because of injuries. But two guys that aren't hurt continue to be a problem. One is Luke Fortner at center who has just not progressed as they hoped. And the other is expensive RG Brandon Sheriff who suddenly "hit the wall" this year.

I think the Jags address both positions this off-season. Cutting Sherff saves 9 million on the cap.

[Sea Ray]

The Jaguars are playing like they don't give a lick about winning this game. Two missed FGs and their stud QB just drops the ball while in easy FG range

[Sea Ray]

Does Trevor Lawrence have "excrement" for brains? With just a few seconds left, the worst thing you can do is throw the ball to a receiver inbounds...and he does it. Jax left at least 12 pts on the table in the 1st half. They do have a half to make up for it but that was one of the worst executed halfs I've seen this year

[The Operator]

That was a pretty rough game for sure.

I absolutely cannot fathom why they didn’t clock the ball with 12 seconds or whatever it was left in the first half. Not sure whether they were trying to catch the Ravens off guard or what, but it was a terrible idea. Reminded me a lot of Ohio State not clocking the ball against Michigan and hurrying up to run the play, which ended in a game-clinching interception for Michigan.

Lawrence’s multiple turnovers also weren’t great.


Jags are still a young team and will take their lumps, but losing 3 in a row will always sting. The playoff picture in the AFC right now is just absolutely bananas.


3-5 at home while 5-1 on the road is also just… strange. They’re still a team I wouldn’t want to run into in the playoffs though. Plenty of talent when things are clicking.

[Rojo Rijo]

That was a pretty rough game for sure.

I absolutely cannot fathom why they didnÂ’t clock the ball with 12 seconds or whatever it was left in the first half. Not sure whether they were trying to catch the Ravens off guard or what, but it was a terrible idea. Reminded me a lot of Ohio State not clocking the ball against Michigan and hurrying up to run the play, which ended in a game-clinching interception for Michigan.

LawrenceÂ’s multiple turnovers also werenÂ’t great.


Jags are still a young team and will take their lumps, but losing 3 in a row will always sting. The playoff picture in the AFC right now is just absolutely bananas.


3-5 at home while 5-1 on the road is also justÂ… strange. TheyÂ’re still a team I wouldnÂ’t want to run into in the playoffs though. Plenty of talent when things are clicking.

6-1 on the road and 2-5 at home. Atlanta and Buffalo were both overseas this season.

What's crazy is as frustrating as this stretch has been it's still a hundred times better than what i've dealt with as a fan for the majority of the past 23 seasons.

In the 23 seasons since the 14-2 season of 1999 we have only experienced:
5 Winning seasons
2 Division championships
8 Playoff games (4-5 record)
5 All Pro players
7 Sunday Night Football Games (Last night was the first one since 2008)
10 Monday Night Football Games (Bengals game was the first one since 2011)

Nobody could convince me there has been a worse fanbase to be a part of since the turn of the millennium. I know there are teams who've been worse like Detroit but at least Detroit is held in high regard as a team/fanbase. The Jaguars have been an absolute punching bag for so long and were without a doubt the least nationally visible franchise.

Lawrence may never reach the top of the mountain (though I still strongly believe he will) but what he's done for our team and fanbase is already more than any player has since Mark Brunell was taking the snaps.

We need to turn it around and win the Division these next 3 weeks - Tampa, Carolina, Tennessee - but i'm having a heck of a good time being able to actually care about Jags football instead of searching mock drafts October - April of every year.

[Sea Ray]

Lawrence has GOT to learn to hold onto the football. He can't just be dropping the ball, which he did twice yesterday. That's Jon Kitna-like. I'm sure Lawrence has decent sized hands

[Rojo Rijo]

Lawrence has GOT to learn to hold onto the football. He can't just be dropping the ball, which he did twice yesterday. That's Jon Kitna-like. I'm sure Lawrence has decent sized hands

He can be frustrating to watch. On one hand he will fit throws into windows that leaves you in awe, on the other he'll do things like the ghost fumble and the embarrassingly stupid call before half.

[Rojo Rijo]

Last night was about as bad of a performance as you can have offensively while actually being able to move the ball. 333 yards 16 first downs and only 7 points.

Punt, Missed FG, Missed FG, Fumble in the redzone, clock expired on BAL 5, TD, Punt, Punt, Fumble, and turnover on downs on the BAL 13.

Ridley was somewhat serviceable. 5/13 for 39 yards looks really disappointing on paper but he drew a PI call and had what should have been a TD in the 4th quarter. The announcers and the guy they go to for challenges were all in disbelief it wasn't ruled a TD. With that being said that's about it, he had a pulse. I'm still not sure he's on the same page as Lawrence and the other skill players. It's crazy that Ridley was known for his elite crisp route running and speed and he's struggled with routes this season. Now he appears to struggle separating. At this point I think he goes elsewhere this offseason, especially if Lawrence has any desire for the Jags to make a run at his buddy Tee Higgins.

[JaxRed]

There's no two ways around it. I'm about to jump off a cliff. This is about as bad as I've felt about the Jags in the Pederson era. And not because they lost. I expected them to lose. More of how they lost.

Let's start with Trevor. He continues to make plays that convince you he is a middle of the pack QB. Here we are almost done with his third year and he still doing the "last minute do something dumb with the ball and fumble thing". Remember how he said he learned not to do that in his frosh season?

He continues to be inaccurate on many throws. Especially in the middle of the field. He missed Evan Engram on an important ball late in game across the middle. And he continues periodically to not have touch on balls that need touch. There were at least 2 balls yesterday that because of the combination of being off-target and high speed were not catchable. His inaccuracy in the middle of the field, must play a part in the inability of the Jags to make plays in the middle of the field. We are absolutely the most horizontal offense in the NFL. (stats not anecdotal).

Yesterday, it was like the Jags were saying it was going to be a point of emphasis because the very first pass was a ball right down the middle to tight-end and then they never did it again that I recall. A couple different defenses we have played (like 49's) said the way to stop Trevor is to take away his first read. After that he's in trouble. And I see several times a game where he forces a ball into double coverage, and in the background you can see a guy wide open. Trevor is still in the "kid gloves" stage with announcers, so I was a little surprised when the color guy mentioned a play last night saying you got to be smarter, as Trevor flings one to the sideline while a guy is standing right in front of him wide open.

And the Jags (Pederson and Trevor) continue to to do mind-bogglingly stupid stuff. They get a ball on about the 3 yard line with no time outs and like 15 seconds yesterday. And instead of doing what everyone knows you need to do (either spike the ball or take super quick shot at end zone), the Jags throw it INBOUNDS (off to the side of course) and he gets tackled and time runs out. You'd feel better if Pederson would say, "that was real stupid. I can ensure you we've learned our lesson". Instead he talk about how it was planned, we just have to execute better.

The offensive line looked ineffective. Walker Little was used and abused. (Hopefully it was because he was hobbled).

And then you hear Trevor is in concussion protocol, which means he might miss the game. And you think "maybe we somehow get a look at Roarke"). And then rumors start floating around that maybe Roarke got claimed by Pats. How the Jags could allow that to happen on a week where 1st QB might be down would be beyond me.

[Assembly Hall]

I was expecting big things from Lawrence and the Jags this year. Still time.

[WVRed]

There's no two ways around it. I'm about to jump off a cliff. This is about as bad as I've felt about the Jags in the Pederson era. And not because they lost. I expected them to lose. More of how they lost.

Let's start with Trevor. He continues to make plays that convince you he is a middle of the pack QB. Here we are almost done with his third year and he still doing the "last minute do something dumb with the ball and fumble thing". Remember how he said he learned not to do that in his frosh season?

He continues to be inaccurate on many throws. Especially in the middle of the field. He missed Evan Engram on an important ball late in game across the middle. And he continues periodically to not have touch on balls that need touch. There were at least 2 balls yesterday that because of the combination of being off-target and high speed were not catchable. His inaccuracy in the middle of the field, must play a part in the inability of the Jags to make plays in the middle of the field. We are absolutely the most horizontal offense in the NFL. (stats not anecdotal).

Yesterday, it was like the Jags were saying it was going to be a point of emphasis because the very first pass was a ball right down the middle to tight-end and then they never did it again that I recall. A couple different defenses we have played (like 49's) said the way to stop Trevor is to take away his first read. After that he's in trouble. And I see several times a game where he forces a ball into double coverage, and in the background you can see a guy wide open. Trevor is still in the "kid gloves" stage with announcers, so I was a little surprised when the color guy mentioned a play last night saying you got to be smarter, as Trevor flings one to the sideline while a guy is standing right in front of him wide open.

And the Jags (Pederson and Trevor) continue to to do mind-bogglingly stupid stuff. They get a ball on about the 3 yard line with no time outs and like 15 seconds yesterday. And instead of doing what everyone knows you need to do (either spike the ball or take super quick shot at end zone), the Jags throw it INBOUNDS (off to the side of course) and he gets tackled and time runs out. You'd feel better if Pederson would say, "that was real stupid. I can ensure you we've learned our lesson". Instead he talk about how it was planned, we just have to execute better.

The offensive line looked ineffective. Walker Little was used and abused. (Hopefully it was because he was hobbled).

And then you hear Trevor is in concussion protocol, which means he might miss the game. And you think "maybe we somehow get a look at Roarke"). And then rumors start floating around that maybe Roarke got claimed by Pats. How the Jags could allow that to happen on a week where 1st QB might be down would be beyond me.

I always felt like Lawrence got a lot of hype after winning the championship his first year at Clemson. Once teams got more tape on him and he got exposed in bigger games it was obvious he had the physical tools to be a game changing QB but he makes a lot of mistakes.

Give Baltimore credit though. Todd Monken has transformed Lamar Jackson and the Ravens will probably be in the Super Bowl barring injury.

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[JaxRed]

Well, cliff jumping will be very popular in Jacksonville this week as Jags get hammered by Bucs.

Trevor Lawrence

When Trevor Lawrence got cleared to play on Saturday I wondered "Is that a good thing?" And the answer was "No". He continues to look like crap. With bad decisions left and right, with more turnovers than a Dunkin Donuts. Two interceptions and a lost fumble this week in less than a full game.

He needs to sit. And clear his head. He came out of the game with a shoulder injury and the team looked way better with journeyman CJ Beathard. Beathard had a 115 rating as opposed to a 64.0 for Trevor. I'll say it. I don't want Trevor out for the year (he might be). But I want him out for this next game.

Doug Pederson

Doing interviews, etc, Doug looks kind of defeated. This thing has come unraveled. And it has a deja vu feel to it. There is a LOT (and I do mean a LOT) of criticism of OC Press Taylor and his play calling. There's a reporter Mike Kaye who used the be a Jags beat reporter, who moved on to Philly and now Carolina. He was there in Philly when things fell apart for Doug in Philly.

Doug has decided for whatever reason that Press Taylor is his protege. And it was (probably among other things) his decision to not move on from Taylor that lead to his demise. Mike Kaye wrote about it before the firing happened. That basically Pederson might have to choose loyalty to Taylor over his job. And he chose Taylor.

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/if-eagles-doug-pederson-goes-to-bat-for-press-taylor-he-might-not-have-locker-room-support.html

Reading this now, you could substitute Lawrence's name for Wentz's and it sounds the same.

Jags and Pederson need to make some kind of change THIS WEEK to show it's not business as usual, and removing Press Taylor from calling plays seems like the obvious way to go. I'd actually prefer to see someone other than Pederson, but I suspect that's the best we could hope for. I also suspect it's not going to happen. Doug seems the kind of guy to dig in his heels to spite himself.

GM Trent Baalke

To say Baalke had been under the gun here would be a massive understatement. He was the target of a Clown movement where people showed up to games in clown masks. Shad Khan who makes bad personnel choices an art form, decides to stick with him and any new coach had to be able to work with him. A few coaches backed out. Pederson did not. We now had 2 draft classes in the Pederson/Baalke regime and in hindsight they are not good.

2022
1. Travon Walker - Jury is still out on him. He's decent but he was the #1 overall pick.
1a. We move back into the first round for Devin Lloyd. He's done next to nothing
3. Luke Fortner - Center from Kentucky. He's getting used and abused.
3a - We move up again to draft another LB Chad Muma - Who never plays.
5. Draft a RB Snoop Conner who's been waived

2023
1. Anton Harrison OL
2. We pass on various TEs and OG's and centers. We move down to take TE Brenton Strange who has barely played
3. RB - Tank Bigbsby - Has rarely played and has looked bad when he did
4. Ventrelle Miller - out for year

All year long people were pleading for Baalke to upgrade the OL and the pass rush and despite numerous opportunities he passed. And not both (especially the line) are getting abused.

We need to move on from Baalke. But just like Pederson clings to Taylor, Shad clings to Baalke.


At this point, I expect us to lose to Carolina.

[Sea Ray]

Awful nice to have Carolina on your schedule when you need a pick me up. I can’t imagine the Jags would lose to Carolina. Jags are in a funk but they’re not the worst team in football (which the Panthers are)

BTW, is there a difference between Jaguars and Panthers or are they actually the same animal?


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[Dom Heffner]

It was never the Jags-

Sad, too- I really like them, but something is off.

[WVRed]

It was never the Jags-

Sad, too- I really like them, but something is off.From an outsiders perspective, I think it's Doug Pederson.

The guy won a Super Bowl in Philly and got ran out of town. You can blame ownership there but I think some of it is Pederson. Kinda reminds me of Larry Brown. He can win and win big but isn't the type of coach who can have long term success on one team.

Also, if Press Taylor has taken anything from his brother in terms of playcalling...

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[Rojo Rijo]

Lawrence out Sunday vs. Carolina.

This is the first game Lawrence has missed. Until now he hasnt missed a game in High School, College, or the NFL.

[JaxRed]

Yep. Lawrence out. Glad to see that. Having him out there as walking wounded has not worked. Cam Robinson his back from his knee injury and starting at LT. The plan all along had been to install Walker Little at LT and cut Cam in the off season to save 16 million. But Walker Little has not been getting the job done. I have no idea what the plan is going forward now.

Doug Pederson did indeed dig his heels in this week when asked about changing play callers. Said "we just need to execute" etc.

I seriously do not know if we'll beat Carolina.

[KronoRed]

A horrible Carolina team at the right time.

[Rojo Rijo]

Def a horrible Panthers team but one who scored 30 points last week against Green Bay. The game plan today was A+ and well executed. 1 penalty, no turnovers, defense constantly harassing Young.

If we win next Sunday we win the division. Both Houston and Indianapolis are 9-7 as well. They play each other. If the Colts win we have the head to head (2-0) record tiebreaker. If Houston wins we have the division record tiebreaker (would be 5-1 for us, 4-2 for Houston).

[JaxRed]

Good workmanlike win over Panthers. I think the steadying influence of Beathard was much needed. No turnovers. I'm totally ok if he starts against Tennessee.

[Rojo Rijo]

Oluokon snubbed for Pro Bowl again.

2021 led NFL in tackles
2022 led NFL in tackles
2023 currently 3rd in NFL in tackles (4 below leader)

Roquan making it is fine, but choosing Patrick Queen over Oluokon is just wrong.
Oluokon - 166 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 8 TFL, 6 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF, 2 FR, 1 TD
Queen - 125 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 9 TFL, 6 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF, 1 FR

Not too happy about Engram not making it either. Kelce couldve missed half the season and he was making it, but up until the last 4 weeks Njoku was almost non-existent.

Kelce - 93 rec 984 yards 5 TDs
Njoku - 81 rec 882 yards 6 TDs
Engram - 104 rec 884 yards 3 TDs

[JaxRed]

OK, the playoffs start today. Win and you're in. Lose and go home. Things are pointing to Trevor starting. Mixed feelings about that. Hobbled Trevor has sometimes been a poor, turnover-prone QB. Kirk has been activated but he had to be activated to play in playoffs, so I suspect he's not active today.

The O-line got a little healthier.

Bottom line is they should win. I'm about 75% convinced they will. Would like to get a couple quick scores so that Titans pack it in and start thinking about the off-season.\

Edit: Trevor Active, Kirk not active

[WVRed]

Not looking good so far.

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[The Operator]

They’re making it interesting.

[The Operator]

Easy to say after the fact, but not sure why they didn’t kick the field goal there.

8 minutes was left and it would have eliminated the need for a 2-pointer later on.

[The Operator]

Got a stop. Better make it happen this time.

[Dom Heffner]

whatever is wrong with the Jags- hope they get it fixed.

[The Operator]

That’s a bummer. Jags aren’t going anywhere and will be back next year without a doubt, but as a Bengals fan I know the feeling of sting when that happens.

[KronoRed]

8-3 to 9-8 can't all be blamed on injuries.

[Rojo Rijo]

2022 - From 4-8 to 9-8
2023 - From 8-3 to 9-8

5 game win streak to finish to losing 5 of 6 to finish.

Going from controlling your own destiny to the #1 seed to missing playoffs is abysmal.

[WVRed]

whatever is wrong with the Jags- hope they get it fixed.Posted it earlier in the thread but I think the problem is Pederson.

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[JaxRed]

Well..... it's over. They told Old Yeller out behind the bar. Jags finish the season with one of the largest collapses in NFL history. With 6 games to go they had the #1 seed and a 99% chance to make the playoffs.

In the last 6 games, the only one they won was the one Trevor didn't start.

Pederson continues to do stupid stuff. We turned down 3 almost certain field goals, scored zero points and lost by 8.