2023 NCAA Football...The SEC vs The Field

[Kingspoint]

Here's the entire season schedule:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/schedule

[Chip R]

Just saw a couple people on Twitter say that Iowa football players have been betting unders on their games.

[RedTeamGo!]

Just saw a couple people on Twitter say that Iowa football players have been betting unders on their games.

Sounds like Iowa St players too

[KronoRed]

SEC will go around in circles, sticking with an 8 game schedule "for now"

https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1664391971383963649?s=20

Nice to see some schools were in favor of doing the right thing.

[Sea Ray]

Ohio State tight end Zak Herbstreit has been hospitalized because of a medical issue.

Herbstreit is in stable condition at the university’s Wexner Medical Center and being monitored and evaluated, a school spokesperson said.

A junior preferred walk-on, he is the son of longtime ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit, one of the faces of the network’s popular “College GameDay” pregame show who was a quarterback for the Buckeyes in the early 1990s.

In his tweet, Kirk Herbstreit added that his son "has a long journey ahead of him."

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/football/2023/06/20/zak-herbstreit-osu-tight-end-kirk-hospitalized-ohio-state-football/70338522007/

[Boston Red]

Former Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett drowned today. He was 35. Tragic.

[Sea Ray]

Former Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett drowned today. He was 35. Tragic.

Wow

[BuckeyeRed27]

Former Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett drowned today. He was 35. Tragic.

Such a bummer. I guess he had recently started coaching high school football.

I don’t care what the NCAA says that OSU Arkansas Sugar Bowl he played in was a really fun game.

[Todd Gack]

Former Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett drowned today. He was 35. Tragic.

Riptides man

[Cyclone792]

Former Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett drowned today. He was 35. Tragic.

I was in Destin last week only about 2 miles down the beach from where Mallet drowned. Every day we were down there was a red flag situation - some days double red flag (meaning stay out of the water). Guards were pulling people from the water via rescues constantly every day, and we even saw police officers ride with some guards ordering people out of the water. One morning we were there guards had to do 15 rescues in only a few hours. Rip currents were everywhere and easily seen from the beach (and prevalent from the air). Even when guards weren't pulling people out, they were blowing whistles all day long and urging people to come in closer to shore in the shallow water.

Waters in Destin are normally calm, but not recently. The only other time I've seen water rougher than what I saw in Destin last week was a visit to Makena Beach in Maui, which is known for back-breaking waves and strong rip currents.

[Chip R]

Here's an interesting article from The Athletic. Could the Saudi PIF buy their way into college football?

https://theathletic.com/4647551/2023/06/29/college-football-saudi-arabia-pif/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=7119699

[WVRed]

Pat Fitzgerald fired by Northwestern over the hazing allegations.

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[Sea Ray]

Pat Fitzgerald fired by Northwestern over the hazing allegations.

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Well, that investigation must not have gone too well...

[Boston Red]

The investigation went okay. They gave him a two week suspension. The backlash on the other hand...

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Anyway, some teams are going to be getting some quality late transfers from Northwestern, and the Wildcats will probably go winless.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The investigation went okay. They gave him a two week suspension. The backlash on the other hand...

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Anyway, some teams are going to be getting some quality late transfers from Northwestern, and the Wildcats will probably go winless.

More things came out after the initial report. If that stuff is true, no way he could keep his job.

I think the portal window has passed. I’m not sure if there is an exception to coaching changes at this point.

[WVRed]

They gave WVU players 30 days to leave if they wanted. Northwestern should get the same.

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[bucksfan2]

More things came out after the initial report. If that stuff is true, no way he could keep his job.

I think the portal window has passed. I’m not sure if there is an exception to coaching changes at this point.

I was listening to The Podcast with Zwick and Carpenter, which was done probably Monday, but prior to Fitz being fired. They pretty much laughed it off, saying a couple of things. First of all, they were saying there were a ton of shenanigans going on in the locker room when they were players. And second, to the idea that Fitz was supposed to know everything about what was happening with his team, that it was a little ridiculous. They said the locker room was the players and the coaches very rarely ever entered in there. It was a place for the players to go and vent, talk about the coaches, etc.

If this was a culture issue, then Fitz deserved to go. And if it was systematic for years, then Fitz deserved to go. But I do think in society as a whole, we forget that these are 17-22 year old kids. I mean the amount of mistakes and things I did at that age that I would consider stupid is astronomical. I am not saying its right, nor am I proud I did it, but IMO its a part of life and growth.

In the end Fitz probably deserved to go, and it probably is rooted in one man having too much control of the program without oversight, but I tend to think there are a ton of other coaches out there thinking, uh oh I hope people don't come digging into my program.

[*BaseClogger*]

Northwestern was a combined 4-20 the last two seasons.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I was listening to The Podcast with Zwick and Carpenter, which was done probably Monday, but prior to Fitz being fired. They pretty much laughed it off, saying a couple of things. First of all, they were saying there were a ton of shenanigans going on in the locker room when they were players. And second, to the idea that Fitz was supposed to know everything about what was happening with his team, that it was a little ridiculous. They said the locker room was the players and the coaches very rarely ever entered in there. It was a place for the players to go and vent, talk about the coaches, etc.

If this was a culture issue, then Fitz deserved to go. And if it was systematic for years, then Fitz deserved to go. But I do think in society as a whole, we forget that these are 17-22 year old kids. I mean the amount of mistakes and things I did at that age that I would consider stupid is astronomical. I am not saying its right, nor am I proud I did it, but IMO its a part of life and growth.

In the end Fitz probably deserved to go, and it probably is rooted in one man having too much control of the program without oversight, but I tend to think there are a ton of other coaches out there thinking, uh oh I hope people don't come digging into my program.

If what is in that last report is true, we are well past “shenanigans”.

[bucksfan2]

If what is in that last report is true, we are well past “shenanigans”.

What was the last report?

[BuckeyeRed27]

What was the last report?

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/07/08/top-stories/former-nu-football-player-details-hazing-allegations-after-coach-suspension/

In addition to “running,” the whistleblower alleged that he witnessed the team participate in other hazing traditions in which freshmen were forced to strip naked and perform various acts, including bear crawling and slingshotting themselves across the floor with exercise bands.

In a once-a-year tradition dubbed “the carwash,” the first player said that some players would stand naked at the entrance to the showers and spin around, forcing those entering the showers to “basically (rub) up against a bare-naked man.” Upon entering the showers, the player alleged that players set up a hose they connected to the shower to spray people.

“It’s extremely painful,” the player said.

The player also alleged that he witnessed and was forced to participate in what he called a naked center-quarterback exchange, wherein a freshman quarterback was forced to take an under-center snap from a freshman center, while both players were naked.

[Sea Ray]

Michigan football coach Jim Harbaugh and the NCAA are in discussions about a so-called negotiated resolution for a four-game suspension in the 2023 season, sources confirmed to ESPN on Tuesday.

The looming suspension is tied to an NCAA recruiting investigation into Michigan in which Harbaugh faces a Level I violation, the most serious kind in the NCAA's purview, for not cooperating with NCAA enforcement.

https://www.espn.in/college-football/story/_/id/38069030/source-michigan-jim-harbaugh-facing-4-game-suspension

[RedTeamGo!]

The first 4 games for Michigan is hilariously weak competition.

[Sea Ray]

The first 4 games for Michigan is hilariously weak competition.

That was my first thought as well

[paintmered]

Smoke is building about an impending move for the Buffs (back) to the Big XII.

It's not real until it's real, but this time seems more real than the many speculation-filled reports over the past 6ish months.

[KronoRed]

Seems like a lateral move until more teams jump from the pac12.

Shame the big10 didn't want them, they belong with Nebraska.

[Assembly Hall]

Seems like a lateral move until more teams jump from the pac12.

Shame the big10 didn't want them, they belong with Nebraska.

with Nebraska and USC and UCLA.

[Assembly Hall]

Now Minnesota:

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1684334057419685889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684334057419685889%7Ctwgr% 5E1e1111fb6218c0066ff45210ed9d7f6c92f885bc%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbtownbanners.com%2Findex.php %3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl% 3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSInow%2Fstatus%2F168 4334057419685889%3Fs%3D20

[Boston Red]

Shame the big10 didn't want them, they belong with Nebraska.

I kind of think the opposite. Yes, Colorado belongs with Nebraska, but neither of them belongs in the Big 10.

[WVRed]

I kind of think the opposite. Yes, Colorado belongs with Nebraska, but neither of them belongs in the Big 10.The Big 12 is turning into what the Big East (of the Pacific Ocean) was getting ready to turn into before it collapsed.

That said it's more stable only because the Pac 12 and ACC are more likely to be picked from in the next round of realignment.

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[Boss-Hog]

The Big 12 is turning into what the Big East (of the Pacific Ocean) was getting ready to turn into before it collapsed.

That said it's more stable only because the Pac 12 and ACC are more likely to be picked from in the next round of realignment.

Sent from my SM-S911U using TapatalkNo one from the ACC is going anywhere until if and when the lawyers figure out how to crack their Grant of Rights. They might eventually do that, but they haven't been able to so far despite considerable effort. The Big 12, while clearly worse off than the SEC and Big 10, is pretty obviously in better shape than the Pac 12. The Pac 12 had a chance to kill the Big 12 in 2021 after Texas and Oklahoma announced they were leaving, chose not to, and it's coming back to bite them big time.

[Kingspoint]

The loss of Colorado doesnt effect the Pac-12. They were always nothing but fodder for everyone else since they arrived and now they go back to where they came from.

The Pac-12 was destroyed with the losses of USC and UCLA.

Should they lose Utah, Arizona and/or Arizona State, they will need to change their name, and as it was, none of those teams are on the Pacific Coast, anyway.

Personally, I'd try everything I could to make this the Pac-12, if I were the Commissioner and the governing body:

Washington, Gonzaga, Washington State, Boise State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah.

California, Stanford, Fresno State, BYU, San Diego, San Diego State, Arizona, Arizona State.

That's 15 schools. They don't all have representatives for every sport. 14 for Football.

[KronoRed]

The ACC and Pac12(-1) need to merge.

[Assembly Hall]

The ACC and Pac12(-1) need to merge.

Merge into what? A M*A*S*H unit?

[KronoRed]

Merge into what? A M*A*S*H unit?

Best of those 2 conferences is IMO still better then what the big12 has cooking.

[Assembly Hall]

Best of those 2 conferences is IMO still better then what the big12 has cooking.

That is a fair assessment.

[Kingspoint]

That is a fair assessment.

I hate the idea of any University allowing their student-athletes to travel cross-country more than one time per season (except for any playoffs). May as well just pay them and stop wasting scholarship money on them.

[Chip R]

Merge into what? A M*A*S*H unit?

M stands for Mobile. ;)

[Chip R]

Sounds like Iowa St players too

At least their QB. And his parents helped him. SMDH.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38117323/hunter-dekkers-linked-iowa-state-gambling-probe-charged-tampering

Here is a statement from his attorney. :lol:


Statement on behalf of Hunter Dekkers from The Weinhardt Law Firm, Des Moines:

"Hunter Dekkers denies the criminal charge brought against him. He will plead not guilty to that charge because he is in fact not guilty of that charge.

"This charge attempts to criminalize a daily fact of American life. Millions of people share online accounts of all kinds every day.

"This prosecution interferes with and politicizes what is the business of Iowa State University and the NCAA. The investigation at the Iowa universities is the tip of an iceberg. Thousands and thousands of college athletes place bets—usually very small ones—with shared accounts. That is for the schools and the NCAA to police.

"From boyhood, Hunter Dekkers has been the model student athlete, with the first emphasis on student. He grew up in a close-knit farm family in tiny Hawarden, Iowa, on the state’s northwest border. Playing football at Iowa State has been a dream come true.

"This investigation has gone on since May, when DCI agents executed a search warrant at Hunter’s apartment in Ames and another at his family’s home in northwest Iowa. The investigation has been an immense distraction from Hunter’s ability to be a good student and a great teammate. Hunter greatly appreciates the cooperation and support of Iowa State University and Coach Campbell and his staff during these events.

"So he can focus on his studies and on the defense of this criminal charge, Hunter has informed the University and the coaching staff that he cannot participate in fall football camp."

[Chip R]

Harbaugh likely to coach 2023 season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/source-jim-harbaughs-suspension-deal-with-ncaa-breaks-down-hes-now-expected-to-coach-full-2023-season-205108318.html

[bucksfan2]

Harbaugh likely to coach 2023 season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/source-jim-harbaughs-suspension-deal-with-ncaa-breaks-down-hes-now-expected-to-coach-full-2023-season-205108318.html

Seems like a dumb decision if a suspension is looming at some point. Michigan's schedule at this point is laughable, next year they have Texas and will be playing one of the West Coast teams.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Seems like a dumb decision if a suspension is looming at some point. Michigan's schedule at this point is laughable, next year they have Texas and will be playing one of the West Coast teams.

The fact that it was 4 layup games is probably why they rejected it. If it was 4 Big Ten games they might have gone for it.

[RedTeamGo!]

Seems like a dumb decision if a suspension is looming at some point. Michigan's schedule at this point is laughable, next year they have Texas and will be playing one of the West Coast teams.

I guarantee they drop that Texas game. Michigan suddenly is afraid to play anyone OOO. They have learned they don't have to.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I guarantee they drop that Texas game. Michigan suddenly is afraid to play anyone OOO. They have learned they don't have to.

It’s probably too late at this point right?

[RedTeamGo!]

It’s probably too late at this point right?

I don't think so, both teams have a perfect built-in excuse of all the conference realignment stuff

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don't think so, both teams have a perfect built-in excuse of all the conference realignment stuff

I suppose, but off the top of my head I can’t remember a big non conference game being dropped that close.

[bucksfan2]

I don't think so, both teams have a perfect built-in excuse of all the conference realignment stuff

I think both teams are going to look at dropping the game....... but who knows if that will come to fruition. Texas will have the far harder schedule, but I do think both OSU and Michigan are going to be playing at least one if not two west coast teams in the 2014 season.

I will say this about Michigan, I think Harbaugh has built a team to beat other B1G teams in the cold, with a ground and pound offense. Two years in a row they wore OSU down and blew them out late in the game. FWIW I there was a time in last years game when OSU should have put them away, Day punted, Knowles made a terrible call on defense allowing McCarthy to hit a deep ball and the rest is history.

Michigan returns a ton of talent this year, but I think when they get on a fast track, they don't compete with the upper echelon teams in football. They will run through the regular season with two tough games, at PSU and home against OSU. Other than that they don't have a tough game on the schedule. But the team reminds me a lot of Bryan Kelly's ND teams, good enough, but exposed when they get on a fast track.

I say all of this because maybe this is Harbaugh's last run at things at Michigan. I could see him looking for another NFL job next offseason, especially if he makes the playoffs again. The looming suspension in 2024 may mean nothing for him. But as much as I an squint, I just don't think this is a team capable of winning a title, especially in doors, or down south.

[Sea Ray]

‘The Blind Side' subject Michael Oher says adoption by Tuohy family was a lie, he was cut out of money from movie

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michael-oher-blind-side-touhy-adoption-lie-rcna99823

[Assembly Hall]

The B1G Championship Game to Vegas?

https://frontofficesports.com/potential-big-ten-title-game-in-vegas-highlights-industry-shift/#:~:text=The%20Big%20Ten%20Conference%20is,still%2 0in%20its%20early%20stages.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The B1G Championship Game to Vegas?

https://frontofficesports.com/potential-big-ten-title-game-in-vegas-highlights-industry-shift/#:~:text=The%20Big%20Ten%20Conference%20is,still%2 0in%20its%20early%20stages.

I love it. Ideally it would alternate with Indy and/or Detroit.

[bucksfan2]

I love it. Ideally it would alternate with Indy and/or Detroit.

I don't love the Vegas idea, but one game in Vegas isn't a deal breaker. It is a city that is fairly easy to get to and can accommodate everyone.

[Boston Red]

Decent accommodation to the West Coast members.

[Sea Ray]

As a college football fan, I like what the Big Ten is doing. I'm tired of seeing top Big Ten teams not having a competitive opponent until November

[RedTeamGo!]

As a college football fan, I like what the Big Ten is doing. I'm tired of seeing top Big Ten teams not having a competitive opponent until November

Sat, Sep 2 vs UT Martin
Sat, Sep 9 vs Ball State
Sat, Sep 16 vs South Carolina
Sat, Sep 23 vs UAB
Sat, Sep 30 @ Auburn
Sat, Oct 7 vs Kentucky
Sat, Oct 14 @ Vanderbilt
Sat, Oct 28* @ Florida
Sat, Nov 4 vs Missouri
Sat, Nov 11 vs (22) Ole Miss
Sat, Nov 18 @ (12) Tennessee
Sat, Nov 25 @ Georgia Tech

[Sea Ray]

Sat, Sep 2 vs UT Martin
Sat, Sep 9 vs Ball State
Sat, Sep 16 vs South Carolina
Sat, Sep 23 vs UAB
Sat, Sep 30 @ Auburn
Sat, Oct 7 vs Kentucky
Sat, Oct 14 @ Vanderbilt
Sat, Oct 28* @ Florida
Sat, Nov 4 vs Missouri
Sat, Nov 11 vs (22) Ole Miss
Sat, Nov 18 @ (12) Tennessee
Sat, Nov 25 @ Georgia Tech

You have a point to make? I see very few big BIG10 games before November. "Maybe" UM/MSU and PSU/OSU but that's all I'm seeing. Tennessee had so many big games, ESPN college gameday might as well have set up camp in Knoxville

[bucksfan2]

You have a point to make? I see very few big BIG10 games before November. "Maybe" UM/MSU and PSU/OSU but that's all I'm seeing. Tennessee had so many big games, ESPN college gameday might as well have set up camp in Knoxville

Huh? They get A&M, Bama, and Ga. Right now those are the only ranked teams on their schedule. In November they have one compelling game, unless you include Vandy, Mizzou, or UConn as compelling.

[RedTeamGo!]

You have a point to make? I see very few big BIG10 games before November. "Maybe" UM/MSU and PSU/OSU but that's all I'm seeing. Tennessee had so many big games, ESPN college gameday might as well have set up camp in Knoxville

My point is every team's schedule is a joke outside of a few games each year.

Above is Georgia's schedule (if you weren't aware).

Outside of Tennessee and I guess Ole Miss that schedule is an absolute joke. Best OOC opponent is Georgia Tech. That is laughable.

OSU's schedule is easily harder than Georgia's and it isn't particularly close.

With that said, Michigan's is the biggest joke in college football this year.

[Sea Ray]

Huh? They get A&M, Bama, and Ga. Right now those are the only ranked teams on their schedule. In November they have one compelling game, unless you include Vandy, Mizzou, or UConn as compelling.

Tennessee's schedule does appear to be easier this year if you care to move the goalposts from my comment on last year. That said they've got tough games in UK, Ga, Bama and Florida to be sure

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My point is every team's schedule is a joke outside of a few games each year.

Above is Georgia's schedule (if you weren't aware).

Outside of Tennessee and I guess Ole Miss that schedule is an absolute joke. Best OOC opponent is Georgia Tech. That is laughable.

OSU's schedule is easily harder than Georgia's and it isn't particularly close.

With that said, Michigan's is the biggest joke in college football this year.

I get all of that. As a football fan, there are precious few compelling Big Ten games before November this year

[RedTeamGo!]

I get all of that. As a football fan, there are precious few compelling Big Ten games before November this year

I disagree, I will be excited to watch all of the following:

9/23 - OSU @ Notre Dame
10/14 - OSU @ Purdue
10/21 - PSU @ OSU
10/28 - OSU @ Wisconsin
9/2 - West Virginia @ PSU
9/23 - Iowa @ PSU
10/7 - Michigan @ Minnesota
10/21 - Michigan @ MSU (this one because its a rivalry and at East Lansing, however, I expect destruction here)
10/14 - Iowa @ Wisconsin
9/9 - Nebraska @ Colorado
9/30 - Michigan @ Nebraska
9/9 - Purdue @ Va tech

There are some others that will be fun to watch, because I like watching college football - but I think the above will all be entertaining.

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Also, looking over OSU's schedule this year right now - man, this is a tough schedule

[BuckeyeRed27]

I disagree, I will be excited to watch all of the following:

9/23 - OSU @ Notre Dame
10/14 - OSU @ Purdue
10/21 - PSU @ OSU
10/28 - OSU @ Wisconsin
9/2 - West Virginia @ PSU
9/23 - Iowa @ PSU
10/7 - Michigan @ Minnesota
10/21 - Michigan @ MSU (this one because its a rivalry and at East Lansing, however, I expect destruction here)
10/14 - Iowa @ Wisconsin
9/9 - Nebraska @ Colorado
9/30 - Michigan @ Nebraska
9/9 - Purdue @ Va tech

There are some others that will be fun to watch, because I like watching college football - but I think the above will all be entertaining.

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Also, looking over OSU's schedule this year right now - man, this is a tough schedule

If Fickell gets Wisconsin going in year 1, OSU has a brutal schedule. ND, Michigan, Wisconsin on the road and Penn St @Wisconsin back to back.

[Assembly Hall]

I love it. Ideally it would alternate with Indy and/or Detroit.

The local sports radio(Ft. Wayne) was speculating that other venues would be explored as well. SoFi and the Rose Bowl.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The local sports radio(Ft. Wayne) was speculating that other venues would be explored as well. SoFi and the Rose Bowl.

I’d be less into that, particularly the Rose Bowl. Vegas, Indy, Minneapolis and Detroit make sense.

[Assembly Hall]

I just saw Purdue's non-con games this year. Fresno St., @Virginia Tech, and Syracuse. Michigan should take notes.

[RedTeamGo!]

I just saw Purdue's non-con games this year. Fresno St., @Virginia Tech, and Syracuse. Michigan should take notes.

Michigan is definitely being cowardly, however, they have literally no reason to schedule a tough OOC schedule

[BuckeyeRed27]

Michigan is definitely being cowardly, however, they have literally no reason to schedule a took OOC schedule

I’m curious what this will look like with the 12 game playoff. Going undefeated won’t matter as much and you could also potentially get another home game on the schedule.

With a schedule like Michigan now, they have no room for error unless there is total chaos. But if they had that schedule in a 12 team playoff they are essentially guaranteed to make the playoffs even if they lose 2 games.

[Assembly Hall]

I’m curious what this will look like with the 12 game playoff. Going undefeated won’t matter as much and you could also potentially get another home game on the schedule.

With a schedule like Michigan now, they have no room for error unless there is total chaos. But if they had that schedule in a 12 team playoff they are essentially guaranteed to make the playoffs even if they lose 2 games.

I am bracing myself for the possibility of Michigan and tOSU playing 3 times in the same season.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I am bracing myself for the possibility of Michigan and tOSU playing 3 times in the same season.

I guess it’s theoretically possible, but I doubt it ever happens. Twice will happen occasionally.

[Assembly Hall]

I guess it’s theoretically possible, but I doubt it ever happens. Twice will happen occasionally.

We shall see.

[bucksfan2]

I am bracing myself for the possibility of Michigan and tOSU playing 3 times in the same season.

Too much is being made out of this. I wonder if you went back during the B1G championship game era, how many times OSU and Michigan would have played back to back had there not been divisions?

The playoff most likely will get the top 12 (probably 16 in a few years) right. But the seeding will always be manipulated. You won't see rematches in the 1st or 2nd rounds. You can slide a seed here or there. For example, let say OSU and Michigan are the true 4 and 5 seeded teams. They will most likely make them 4 and 6 to avoid an early matchup.

[Assembly Hall]

Too much is being made out of this. I wonder if you went back during the B1G championship game era, how many times OSU and Michigan would have played back to back had there not been divisions?

The playoff most likely will get the top 12 (probably 16 in a few years) right. But the seeding will always be manipulated. You won't see rematches in the 1st or 2nd rounds. You can slide a seed here or there. For example, let say OSU and Michigan are the true 4 and 5 seeded teams. They will most likely make them 4 and 6 to avoid an early matchup.

We shall see. Personally, I find the possibility of the 2 teams playing a 3rd time intriguing. Especially if the 3rd time is for a national championship.

[Chip R]

Michigan has self-imposed a 3 game suspension for Harbaugh.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38234403/sources-michigan-self-imposes-3-game-jim-harbaugh-ban

[Sea Ray]

Michigan has self-imposed a 3 game suspension for Harbaugh.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38234403/sources-michigan-self-imposes-3-game-jim-harbaugh-ban

That’s weak. They wanna see to it that his suspension is served during their “scrimmage games”. I hope the NCAA doesn’t let ‘em get by with that


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[Chip R]

That’s weak. They wanna see to it that his suspension is served during their “scrimmage games”. I hope the NCAA doesn’t let ‘em get by with that


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I think they are trying to lessen any penalties the NCAA gives them. Like he'd be punished enough with the 3 game suspension.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think they are trying to lessen any penalties the NCAA gives them. Like he'd be punished enough with the 3 game suspension.

They tried to give him a 4 game suspension that was deemed not good enough. So how is a 3 game suspension gonna cut it?

[Assembly Hall]

I was hoping that Harbaugh would have been coaching my Colts this year.

[Chip R]

They tried to give him a 4 game suspension that was deemed not good enough. So how is a 3 game suspension gonna cut it?

Maybe they believe it won't be worth the hassle have him fight it all over again.

[bucksfan2]

They tried to give him a 4 game suspension that was deemed not good enough. So how is a 3 game suspension gonna cut it?

Is this a smart move? You give 3 games this year, hopefully keep it to 1-2 games next season and he misses all the games against cupcakes?

Also, even if Harbaugh bolts next season, UM can at least say they held themselves to a high standard.

[Sea Ray]

Is this a smart move? You give 3 games this year, hopefully keep it to 1-2 games next season and he misses all the games against cupcakes?

Also, even if Harbaugh bolts next season, UM can at least say they held themselves to a high standard.

I don't think the NCAA should wait until the end of the year to have their hearing and rule on this. They should do it soon and add Harbaugh suspended games that'll have to be served in the Big Ten season

[bucksfan2]

I don't think the NCAA should wait until the end of the year to have their hearing and rule on this. They should do it soon and add Harbaugh suspended games that'll have to be served in the Big Ten season

When in the world has the NCAA ever operated in a practical manner?

[RedTeamGo!]

The amount of hype Michigan is receiving in the pre-season is wild.

[Assembly Hall]

The amount of hype Michigan is receiving in the pre-season is wild.

I am cool with all the hype the Wolverines are getting.

[bucksfan2]

The amount of hype Michigan is receiving in the pre-season is wild.

I think Michigan is a good football team. They have two difficult games all season and they come in November. I think they walk into Happy Valley on November 11th 9-0. If they don't it would be an epic failure on their behalf.

My issue with Michigan is I don't see them hanging with anyone on a fast track. I think more so than in the past 20 years, they are built to win a game against OSU with a ground and pound, defensive battle, in late November. But I don't see them winning it all because they don't have the depth of talent, the depth of speed required to win it all.

I saw a comparison the other day comparing JJ McCarthy to JT Barrett. And as much as I loved and respected Barrett as a QB, his style of play held OSU back on the national stage. Unless Harbaugh lets JJ rip, lets him throw the ball all over the yard, I don't see Michigan winning it all. Now they very well may make the playoff again..... but I don't think they can compete at a Georgia level, which it will take to win a title.

[Sea Ray]

Granted this is not the Gospel but this does give an idea of how much talent is on each college team. The SEC has 9 teams in the top 25. If you count Oklahoma and Texas, they'll have 6 of the top 10 teams in terms of recruiting talent.

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Definitely the Big Ten has improved their football with the additions of USC, UCLA and Oregon

[Chip R]

In the category of You Can't Make This Up, Kirk Ferentz when asked about Iowa's opponent this week Utah State: "Their punter is a good punter." :laugh:

[bucksfan2]

Granted this is not the Gospel but this does give an idea of how much talent is on each college team. The SEC has 9 teams in the top 25. If you count Oklahoma and Texas, they'll have 6 of the top 10 teams in terms of recruiting talent.

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Definitely the Big Ten has improved their football with the additions of USC, UCLA and Oregon

On the 4 to 6 with A and B, Ari talked about this a ton. Its pretty much a gauge on how talented a team is. What I find interesting, is look at the gap between 1 and 3 and then look at the gap between 3-4. The gap is double from OSU to A&M than it is from Bama to OSU.

I guess in looking at this, Bama, Georgia, and OSU are operating on a different level than the other teams in the country. While it isn't the end all be all, it does show the depth of talent. Sure your top 22 may stack up pretty good, and you may have found a diamond in the rough, but when you get into your 2nd team, or your rotations start to take place, or injuries start to happen, some teams have talent all across the board.

FWIW the most talented team in the country may have a down year because they don't have a QB.

[KronoRed]

In the category of You Can't Make This Up, Kirk Ferentz when asked about Iowa's opponent this week Utah State: "Their punter is a good punter." :laugh:

3-2 Iowa.

[RedTeamGo!]

Florida stinks

[Boston Red]

Florida stinks

Nebraska and Minnesota are boring. Early impressions.

Oh, and NC State may have issues.

[WVRed]

Florida stinksI'll be shocked if Napier is coaching next season. Hes a good fit for a school looking to burn it down and start over which is fitting since Mullen left the cupboard bare but expectations are set by what Spurrier and Meyer did there.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

Florida stinks

Second or third best team on Georgia’s schedule….

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Nebraska and Minnesota are boring. Early impressions.

Oh, and NC State may have issues.

Nebraska and Minnesota are playing a perfect big ten west game, what are you talking about

[WVRed]

Second or third best team on Georgia’s schedule….

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Nebraska and Minnesota are playing a perfect big ten west game, what are you talking aboutFourth or possibly fifth best team in the SEC East.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

Fourth or possibly fifth best team in the SEC East.

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Those aren’t mutually exclusive comments

[WVRed]

Those aren’t mutually exclusive commentsI was referring to Florida being the third or fourth best team in the SEC East, not Nebraska or Minnesota. Was going by your original post before you edited it.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

I was referring to Florida being the third or fourth best team in the SEC East, not Nebraska or Minnesota. Was going by your original post before you edited it.

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Yeah I mean Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina…whatever they are all gonna be the same thing. Point being Georgia doesn’t play anyone which sucks because of the talent they have.

[Boston Red]

About to be the greatest two days in about the last 25 years in Nebraska.

[Boston Red]

Brutal loss for Nebraska. Their specialty!

[bucksfan2]

Yeah I mean Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina…whatever they are all gonna be the same thing. Point being Georgia doesn’t play anyone which sucks because of the talent they have.

The SEC for years has been like this. Florida and Tennessee being doormats for about a decade has really helped Georgia out. Bama had to deal with a resurgent LSU from time to time as well as an Auburn team who would rise up every once in a while. Georgia was pretty much given a free pass if they lost a game in the SEC because no one in the East was going to finish with just one loss.

[Boston Red]

Jeff Brohm's triumphant return to Louisville really kicks off tonight. Pretty exciting for anyone who grew up in Louisville as a Card fan in that era. The whole Brohm family are Louisville royalty. (Unless/until he starts losing :laugh:).

[Boston Red]

Brohm's Louisville debut was terrifying and fantastic.

[Assembly Hall]

Colorado/TCU has been a highly entertaining game thus far through 3Qs.

[wilbo71]

Thought Buffs had no shot to win today. Sanders & Son shut me up quick. :bash:

[Slyder]

I just want to say this barring anything dumb… I think we’re watching a top pick in this qb Drew Allar in a couple years. The accuracy he’s shown can’t be taught.
Greene I still believe should be in the Tavon Austin type role.

[RedTeamGo!]

Why was LSU ranked 5th?

[Boston Red]

So far the field is dominating.

[Kingspoint]

So far the field is dominating.

Ironically, one of the Pac-12's biggest Week 1's in years.

[RiverfrontRed]

I'm taking the field this year.

[Assembly Hall]

Why was LSU ranked 5th?

It ain't like FSU is horrible.

[RedTeamGo!]

It ain't like FSU is horrible.

That’s beside the point. LSU didn’t remotely look like a top 10 team last night. Bad defense, mid QB, mid running game. Brian Kelly. I don’t see it. Why wasn’t FSU ranked 5th?

You can’t tell me people actually thought LSU was better than Penn State prior to the season starting. This is a great example of SEC bias by national media.

[Todd Gack]

That’s beside the point. LSU didn’t remotely look like a top 10 team last night. Bad defense, mid QB, mid running game. Brian Kelly. I don’t see it. Why wasn’t FSU ranked 5th?

You can’t tell me people actually thought LSU was better than Penn State prior to the season starting. This is a great example of SEC bias by national media.

Maybe, but it's well earned.

[Kingspoint]

Oregon State's starting QB is an SEC transfer from Georgia. So, even when it's not the SEC, it is.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oregon State's starting QB is an SEC transfer from Georgia. So, even when it's not the SEC, it is.

DJU transferred from Clemson, ACC

[Kingspoint]

DJU transferred from Clemson, ACC

I knew it was somewhere back there.

Appreciate the correction.

I was only 58 miles off.

[Boston Red]

Clemson may not be great.

[kaldaniels]

Clemson may not be great.

Yearly reminder…Dabo’s success has pretty much been on the backs of generational (to some extent or another) college QB’s…Watson and Lawrence.

There was that one Kelly Bryant year but eh.

[Stray]

Even by Clemsoning standards, this has been an embarrassing performance. How do you come away with 0 points on TWO 1st and goals at the 1? Mind boggling. Props to Duke tho, their D is flying around and their QB can play.

And now a pick for Duke. That's an awful performance by Clemson all around. Yikes.

[Boston Red]

That INT should do it.

[Stray]

Also, those Duke helmets are nice.

[WVRed]

Yearly reminder…Dabo’s success has pretty much been on the backs of generational (to some extent or another) college QB’s…Watson and Lawrence.

There was that one Kelly Bryant year but eh.Doesn't Klubnik fall into that category as well?

DJ kinda did too but he wasn't a fit.

Dabo I've always said is the Emperor Without Clothes. He's had great coordinators (Tony Elliott, Brent Venables) but is nothing without them.

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[bucksfan2]

Doesn't Klubnik fall into that category as well?

DJ kinda did too but he wasn't a fit.

Dabo I've always said is the Emperor Without Clothes. He's had great coordinators (Tony Elliott, Brent Venables) but is nothing without them.

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Klubnik was a 5 star, Watson and Lawrence were generational QB's. There were many people who said Clemson's offensive scheme was pretty poor, they just had TLaw and Watson to make up for a lot of things.

I think most of Dabo's success was Venables. The guy was a great defensive coordinator, he was great at picking diamonds in the rough on the recruiting trail, and was there for over a decade.

I don't like the "he didn't fit the system." If you land a 5* QB, you know who you are recruiting, you tailor your system to fit him.

I think Clemson did a very good job of recruiting (still does) and had the most talented teams in the ACC when the ACC was a dumpster fire. Outside of Clemson, there wasn't another top tier team during their run. I thought I saw where FSU plays Clemson in week 4, which if that is true, I think they stomp Clemson and coast to the playoff.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I absolutely love to see sad Dabo, and I’m loathe to defend him, but that was a goofy game. Two fumbles inside the 5 and a missed chip shot field goal after a couple plays where they really should have scored a TD. The game could have fairly easily been a comfortable to even a blowout win for Clemson which is weird to say since they lost by 21.

Clemson has recruited pretty well and has a good QB, so I’m not sure it’s dirt shoveling time just yet.

[Sea Ray]

I didn't see any of the Clemson game...did they run the no huddle offense? After their loss to Tennessee last year, Dabo said that he'd like to run that at Clemson. Didn't know if he really did or not

[RedTeamGo!]

Doesn't Klubnik fall into that category as well?

DJ kinda did too but he wasn't a fit.

Dabo I've always said is the Emperor Without Clothes. He's had great coordinators (Tony Elliott, Brent Venables) but is nothing without them.

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Not all 5 star QBs are generational. Kyle McCord for OSU was a 5 star. He doesn't remotely look generational, for example. To get the "generational" label you need to prove it on the field first. For example, Quinn Ewers was number 1 recruit in the country, he hasn't proven it on the field yet. So, he ain't generational, yet.

[kaldaniels]

Doesn't Klubnik fall into that category as well?

DJ kinda did too but he wasn't a fit.

Dabo I've always said is the Emperor Without Clothes. He's had great coordinators (Tony Elliott, Brent Venables) but is nothing without them.

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No.

That’s all I got.

[WVRed]

Not all 5 star QBs are generational. Kyle McCord for OSU was a 5 star. He doesn't remotely look generational, for example. To get the "generational" label you need to prove it on the field first. For example, Quinn Ewers was number 1 recruit in the country, he hasn't proven it on the field yet. So, he ain't generational, yet.To me I would think a generational talent is how it translates to the pros, even if they don't work out at that level.

Zion Williamson was a generational talent in basketball even though he is likely going to be a monumental bust. He had the accolades in college and was a no 1 overall pick. Yao Ming and Victor Wembanyama are talents as well but Yao stayed injured and VM is wait and see.

As for football a lot of it is just the national media hype machine. Just because Clemson has had two generational talents they over hype every other QB who comes through the doors.



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[RedTeamGo!]

To me I would think a generational talent is how it translates to the pros, even if they don't work out at that level.

Zion Williamson was a generational talent in basketball even though he is likely going to be a monumental bust. He had the accolades in college and was a no 1 overall pick. Yao Ming and Victor Wembanyama are talents as well but Yao stayed injured and VM is wait and see.

As for football a lot of it is just the national media hype machine. Just because Clemson has had two generational talents they over hype every other QB who comes through the doors.



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Well, this is a college football thread so I couldn't care less what they do in the pros. Tim Tebow was absolutely a generational QB talent, doesn't matter what he did in the NFL

[Sea Ray]

20303

[Sea Ray]

Not much difference so far


Thus far through this young season, FBS teams are running an average of 66.9 plays per game in 2023. Last year, the average was 68.7, according to an analysis of CFBStats.com data. Thus, in actuality, each team is only running about two less plays per game (4 total per game considering both teams).

https://footballscoop.com/news/no-the-new-clock-rules-arent-shortening-fbs-games-by-40-60-snaps-per-game

I really don't get the whole impetus to shorten college games anyway. Take for example FSU vs LSU game was played Sunday night primetime, ABC's number 1 slot this week. The game ate into "The Good Doctor", which averages 4.1 million viewers. The FSU/LSU game had over 10 million viewers.

The Saturday 3:30 CBS, SEC game drew an average of 5.2 million viewers last year. Why would anyone in the college football world; school, player, fan, or network, feel that the best, and most viewed (at least on Saturdays) programs need to be shortened? Does CBS get more advertising revenue on Saturday afternoons showing "Entertainment Tonight"?

[Slyder]

Not much difference so far


https://footballscoop.com/news/no-the-new-clock-rules-arent-shortening-fbs-games-by-40-60-snaps-per-game

I really don't get the whole impetus to shorten college games anyway. Take for example FSU vs LSU game was played Sunday night primetime, ABC's number 1 slot this week. The game ate into "The Good Doctor", which averages 4.1 million viewers. The FSU/LSU game had over 10 million viewers.

The Saturday 3:30 CBS, SEC game drew an average of 5.2 million viewers last year. Why would anyone in the college football world; school, player, fan, or network, feel that the best, and most viewed (at least on Saturdays) programs need to be shortened? Does CBS get more advertising revenue on Saturday afternoons showing "Entertainment Tonight"?

What did WVU/PSU draw?

[BuckeyeRed27]

What did WVU/PSU draw?

3.5M

It was the fourth highest rated game this weekend

[Sea Ray]

Anyone know why Deion was allowed to add 60 some scholarship players this year? I thought there was a yearly cap far less than that

[RedTeamGo!]

Anyone know why Deion was allowed to add 60 some scholarship players this year? I thought there was a yearly cap far less than that

He forced enough to transfer out to keep under the cap. With that said, teams are finding loopholes, some teams are using NIL money to pay tution for players and they join the team as a walk on. That is how schools like Michigan are starting to have 30 croots in a class.

That was why the infamous Deion video blew up. He basically walked in front of the current players and said "I am bringing my own luggage, you are out"

The Athletic wrote a column about it a few months back about how they were basically just forcing kids out.

https://theathletic.com/4447590/2023/04/24/deion-sanders-colorado-footall-transfer-portal/

There it is

[Sea Ray]

He forced enough to transfer out to keep under the cap. With that said, teams are finding loopholes, some teams are using NIL money to pay tution for players and they join the team as a walk on. That is how schools like Michigan are starting to have 30 croots in a class.

That was why the infamous Deion video blew up. He basically walked in front of the current players and said "I am bringing my own luggage, you are out"

The Athletic wrote a column about it a few months back about how they were basically just forcing kids out.

https://theathletic.com/4447590/2023/04/24/deion-sanders-colorado-footall-transfer-portal/

There it is

So if guys enter the transfer portal you can add those schollies onto the normal allotted ones? OK

[RedTeamGo!]

So if guys enter the transfer portal you can add those schollies onto the normal allotted ones? OK

Yeah, basically, if you are at roster limit and you bring in 5 transfers, as long as 5 players transfer out or retire, etc you are good to go

[Boston Red]

Kansas looks fun. Lots of skill position talent. Leipold has done an amazing job there.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Kansas looks fun. Lots of skill position talent. Leipold has done an amazing job there.

Didn’t watch a ton of the game but that QB is legit.

[GAC]

Notre Dame up 3-0 on NC State at the half. :lol:

[Sea Ray]

Notre Dame up 3-0 on NC State at the half. :lol:

Ohio State will win fairly easily in two weeks and then claim what a great win it is

[Sea Ray]

Notre Dame up 3-0 on NC State at the half. :lol:

Is it really at the half? Looks like it's at the beginning of the 2nd qtr

[GAC]

They were still in the 2Q. My bad. 10-0 Irish with less then two minutes till the half.

ND is 2-0 and ranked #10. So why wouldn't it be a great/quality win? NC State went 8-5 last year, and had some quality wins. They certainly aren't no slouch.

[BuckeyeRed27]

ND had a huge rain delay so they just got to half. The score board at NC State was actually struck by lightning during the delay.

Hartman has made some nice throws. NC State doesn’t really have much offense.

[RichRed]

JMU beat UVA 36-35 after trailing 35-24 with 10 minutes left in the game, following a one hour weather delay. Incredible comeback, and I may need medical attention for what’s happening with my heart right now.

[Stray]

That's an impressive half of football for the Bearcats.

[Stray]

They made that way more nerve racking in the 2nd half than I'd have preferred, but that's a big time road win for the Bearcats.

And by they I mean the Bearcats and the refs lol.

[Stray]

Is Texas, dare I say it, back?!

[kaldaniels]

Mel Tucker - who has one of the most ridiculous and regrettable contracts (huge buyout) - is now the subject of a sexual harassment investigation. Very interesting. Hope it plays out with the facts taking precedent.

[Assembly Hall]

Mel Tucker - who has one of the most ridiculous and regrettable contracts (huge buyout) - is now the subject of a sexual harassment investigation. Very interesting. Hope it plays out with the facts taking precedent.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/michigan-state-coach-mel-tucker-under-investigation-for-sexual-harassment-of-rape-survivor-activist/

[Assembly Hall]

Per CBS:


Loser: The SEC
The SEC's final record in Week 2 doesn't sound too bad; it's 10-3 at time of publication. But, underneath the surface, the performances were wildly lackluster against overmatched opponents.

Tennessee struggled to create any consistency against Austin Peay, only taking its first lead with 15 seconds remaining in the first half. Arkansas led 7-6 with two minutes remaining in the first half against Kent State. Middle Tennessee had a fourth quarter drive to win the game against Missouri, while Kentucky didn't take its first lead against Eastern Kentucky until nearly 40 minutes into the game.


Across the 13 games, the SEC underperformed the line by 116 points -- nearly nine points per matchup. The league was just 3-9-1 against the spread with two wins coming against FCS opponents. There are warning signs that the depth of the league may be concerning, especially after two-time reigning national champion Georgia had to shake another slow start before pulling away against Ball State.

[GAC]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/michigan-state-coach-mel-tucker-under-investigation-for-sexual-harassment-of-rape-survivor-activist/

He's coached his last game at MSU .... https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2023/09/10/mel-tucker-michigan-state-football-sexual-harassment-allegation-graham-couch-opinion/70816082007/

[RedTeamGo!]

Tuck came while texting.

But seriously, what an idiot and scumbag. As terrible as this is, it’s great news for MSU’s football program and fanbase. Can get out of that terrible contract with cause and move on immediately.

[Sea Ray]

They were still in the 2Q. My bad. 10-0 Irish with less then two minutes till the half.

ND is 2-0 and ranked #10. So why wouldn't it be a great/quality win? NC State went 8-5 last year, and had some quality wins. They certainly aren't no slouch.

They were just beginning the 2nd qtr. Your post was far far off. It was a good win for the Fighting Irish and their upcoming game with OSU looks to be a good one

[Assembly Hall]

Tuck came while texting.



Was it worth 80 million?

[GAC]

They were just beginning the 2nd qtr. Your post was far far off. It was a good win for the Fighting Irish and their upcoming game with OSU looks to be a good one

I already acknowledged that previously. lol

[kaldaniels]

This Tucker (who has been suspended with conflicting reports saying he has been or has not been fired) thing..it’s just wild.

The victim is basically an assault survivor who speaks to teams on the very issue? And Tucker pursues such behavior with her. At Nassar State no less? And while Tucker has admitted/lied to the matter enough that he is certainly in the wrong - I picked up on an implication (which comes from Tucker’s team). that the victim may have had an axe to grind against MSU due to the Nassar scandal - NOT victim blaming/shaming at all…but that’s just another wrinkle to the story. Let alone they both erased their text messages to each other. Anyhow…Mel Tucker - what were you thinking???

[Sea Ray]

What is it with some of these guys? I've never in my life jacked off during a phone call. This was certainly inappropriate but is it harassment? If it happened in April, why did she wait 'till December to file the complaint.

The reality is that Tucker is nothing special as a football coach so he's not a hill worth dying on. He's gone and it's a great opportunity to get out from under the $70mill buyout. This will be in the courts for years to come

[RedTeamGo!]

What is it with some of these guys? I've never in my life jacked off during a phone call. This was certainly inappropriate but is it harassment? If it happened in April, why did she wait 'till December to file the complaint.

The reality is that Tucker is nothing special as a football coach so he's not a hill worth dying on. He's gone and it's a great opportunity to get out from under the $70mill buyout. This will be in the courts for years to come

Bingo. If this were Harbaugh at UM they would be fighting this tooth and nail and he wouldn’t be suspended. MSU on the other hand ecstatic right now they can get out of this contract. I said to my dad earlier at dinner that all the scandal aside, from a football POV this is great news for MSU program and fanbase. They can basically reset. This next hire is just insanely important for the future of the program. They need to nail it. Make it break hire IMHO.

[*BaseClogger*]

I wonder if coach Fickell have preferred MSU to Wisconsin if both jobs were on the table.

[RedTeamGo!]

I wonder if coach Fickell have preferred MSU to Wisconsin if both jobs were on the table.

Guessing Wisconsin

[Revering4Blue]

Guessing Wisconsin

Agreed. Easier row to hoe in the Western division, where you don’t have to go through Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State every year.
If/ when they rework the divisions, that may be a different story.


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[kaldaniels]

What is it with some of these guys? I've never in my life jacked off during a phone call. This was certainly inappropriate but is it harassment? If it happened in April, why did she wait 'till December to file the complaint.

The reality is that Tucker is nothing special as a football coach so he's not a hill worth dying on. He's gone and it's a great opportunity to get out from under the $70mill buyout. This will be in the courts for years to come

Yeah I hesitated to say it but the MSU program is the luckiest program I’ve seen in years for this. The Tucker contract was going to put them a decade behind.

That’s putting the program in a vacuum and ignoring the allegations of course.

[kaldaniels]

It was enjoyable to see reporter Brett McMurphy be shamed all around for erroneously reporting that Tucker was fired.

Can’t stand the guy after he came hard at OSU a few years back. (Ohio State is fair game but he was so over the top)

[BuckeyeRed27]

Agreed. Easier row to hoe in the Western division, where you don’t have to go through Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State every year.
If/ when they rework the divisions, that may be a different story.


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This is it for divisions, even with the west coast coming they aren’t doing divisions next year.

[kaldaniels]

Yeah I’d rather be at UW than MSU where you are in the shadow of Ann Arbor.

Kinda like asking someone 5 years ago would you rather be at Auburn or UGA? (The question has now gotten a whole lot easier) I’ve have taken UGA all day long than be that close to Tuscaloosa.

[RedTeamGo!]

Also who is choosing to live in East Lansing over Madison?

[Mutaman]

I wonder if coach Fickell have preferred MSU to Wisconsin if both jobs were on the table.

MSU. Its hard coaching at a school where the players actually have to go to class.

[RedTeamGo!]

MSU. Its hard coaching at a school where the players actually have to go to class.

This describes Wisconsin moreso than MSU?

[Assembly Hall]

I wonder if coach Fickell have preferred MSU to Wisconsin if both jobs were on the table.

https://twitter.com/DarkoStateNews/status/1700912103194788109?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1700912103194788109%7Ctwgr% 5Ed07faa7d1a85f47a7410b2cb82c424e90f150b40%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbtownbanners.com%2Findex.php %3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl% 3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FDarkoStateNews%2Fsta tus%2F1700912103194788109%3Fs%3D20

[Chip R]

It was enjoyable to see reporter Brett McMurphy be shamed all around for erroneously reporting that Tucker was fired.

Can’t stand the guy after he came hard at OSU a few years back. (Ohio State is fair game but he was so over the top)

From what I've read, if he were fired, then the players would be eligible to transfer immediately. They have to stay put if he's suspended.

[Bob Sheed]

Also who is choosing to live in East Lansing over Madison?

No one who likes actual legit cheese curds, I know that much.

[Todd Gack]

This Tucker (who has been suspended with conflicting reports saying he has been or has not been fired) thing..it’s just wild.

The victim is basically an assault survivor who speaks to teams on the very issue? And Tucker pursues such behavior with her. At Nassar State no less? And while Tucker has admitted/lied to the matter enough that he is certainly in the wrong - I picked up on an implication (which comes from Tucker’s team). that the victim may have had an axe to grind against MSU due to the Nassar scandal - NOT victim blaming/shaming at all…but that’s just another wrinkle to the story. Let alone they both erased their text messages to each other. Anyhow…Mel Tucker - what were you thinking???

The whole thing is weird. It kinda stinks to be honest.

Why would SHE erase her text messages?

[Assembly Hall]

I found this to be a good read:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-coach-sexual-harassment-claim/70679703007/

[Todd Gack]

I found this to be a good read:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-coach-sexual-harassment-claim/70679703007/


Tracy said she thought to herself, "Oh my god, this is happening, and I can’t stop it." In the moment, she said, it didn’t occur to her to hang up. Eventually she said something along the lines of, “If you do this, I don’t ever want to hear about it, we are only friends, that’s it.”

LOL. Puh-lease.

[bucksfan2]

It sounds like this will all boil down to whether or not this was consensual. If I had to guess, there will be come kind of buyout on MSU's hands because this doesn't play well PR wise and secondly, they want out from Tucker's contract.

[Sea Ray]

It sounds like this will all boil down to whether or not this was consensual. If I had to guess, there will be come kind of buyout on MSU's hands because this doesn't play well PR wise and secondly, they want out from Tucker's contract.

We'll never know if it was consensual. He said/she said

[Bob Sheed]

Yeah, this one kinda doesn't pass the smell test. If so, shame on her because it detracts credibility from actual victims, of which there are many.

Also, no question MSU will use these events to exit the contract unscathed. Which, is yet another reason why Tucker is an idiot. With that contract and his results, dude should have been on eggshells, walking that line of perfect behavior, every single day. Knowing most college coaches though, I'm sure in his mind he was too big to fail.

Nope.

[bucksfan2]

Yeah, this one kinda doesn't pass the smell test. If so, shame on her because it detracts credibility from actual victims, of which there are many.

Also, no question MSU will use these events to exit the contract unscathed. Which, is yet another reason why Tucker is an idiot. With that contract and his results, dude should have been on eggshells, walking that line of perfect behavior, every single day. Knowing most college coaches though, I'm sure in his mind he was too big to fail.

Nope.

I don't want to victim shame, and I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. From the sounds of the situation, mentioned in the article linked earlier in this thread, there was a relationship of some sort between the two. Emotional or physical, I don't really care, but it sounds like it was more than just a superficial relationship. The idea of a late night phone call because that is when they both were free is fair, but it sound a little fishy if they were just business phone calls.

Just from reading a few articles, it sounds as if a relationship grew between the two, maybe Tucker felt it was more, and it was cut off shortly after it reached the point of no return.

All that said, what makes me think Tucker may have been "more" in the wrong is the Title 9 lawsuit that was filed. If this was a relationship or affair that went too far, seems to me having your name drug through the mud is a pretty steep price to pay.

All of this makes me wonder, did Tucker do anything wrong? Sure it may have been inappropriate, or unwanted, but at the end of the day it was done via the phone.

[Sea Ray]

I don't think it's a slam dunk that Tucker is guilty of anything other than letting his you know whats do the thinking for him. Mich ST better be careful here or they could be on the hook for $70mill plus damages if they don't have the goods on him.

[bucksfan2]

I don't think it's a slam dunk that Tucker is guilty of anything other than letting his you know whats do the thinking for him. Mich ST better be careful here or they could be on the hook for $70mill plus damages if they don't have the goods on him.

I can't see how Tucker coaches at MSU again. I could be wrong, but I just don't know how the university brings him back unless Tracy recants her side of the story. I just don't know he coaches and recruits with this hanging over his head.

That said, I don't know MSU gets out of this contract. Granted it probably happened on his MSU provided cell phone, but the act itself is not illegal. And am no lawyer, but I doubt it would run afoul of an ethic clause because of the burden of proof.

[Sea Ray]

I can't see how Tucker coaches at MSU again. I could be wrong, but I just don't know how the university brings him back unless Tracy recants her side of the story. I just don't know he coaches and recruits with this hanging over his head.

That said, I don't know MSU gets out of this contract. Granted it probably happened on his MSU provided cell phone, but the act itself is not illegal. And am no lawyer, but I doubt it would run afoul of an ethic clause because of the burden of proof.

I agree with all of that. MSU finds itself in a mess

[Kingspoint]

We'll never know if it was consensual. He said/she said

Most of the time, the girl gets bought off. What was it...25 women in the case of the Cleveland Quarterback?

[Chip R]

I agree with all of that. MSU finds itself in a mess

Much like Mel's phone. :eek:

[Sea Ray]

Most of the time, the girl gets bought off. What was it...25 women in the case of the Cleveland Quarterback?

Exactly...along with a gag order so we never know what happened. I imagine Tucker will also get his contract settled privately

[Todd Gack]

It sounds like this will all boil down to whether or not this was consensual. If I had to guess, there will be come kind of buyout on MSU's hands because this doesn't play well PR wise and secondly, they want out from Tucker's contract.

Tucker's contract is fully guaranteed. . . unless something like this happens. So MSU could easily buy her off for a few million instead of paying Tucker the other 75 million or whatever is left on his contract.

[Boston Red]

Louisville is horrible. Bummer.

[WVRed]

Louisville is horrible. Bummer.Give it a year for Brohm to get his players in.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

Penn St really slogged through Illinois and would have been in a lot of trouble if the Illinois Qb wasn’t awful.

Florida St might have a short stay in the top 3 also.

[Boston Red]

Give it a year for Brohm to get his players in.

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Needs a QB. This Plummer guy isn't it.

[RedTeamGo!]

Is JJ McCarthy drunk?

[texasdave]

South Alabama is up 23-0 against Oklahoma State with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.....in Stillwater.

[Boston Red]

South Alabama might be best Alabama this year.

[Boston Red]

Damn, Satt's boys just lost to Miami, and not the good one. Ouch.

[RedTeamGo!]

Damn, Satt's boys just lost to Miami, and not the good one. Ouch.

There’s a good one?

[Boston Red]

There’s a good one?

There's a better one, at least.

[redhawkfish]

Damn, Satt's boys just lost to Miami, and not the good one. Ouch.

Wow! And to think I was happy with the win.

[fearofpopvol1]

Tennessee got spanked by Florida but it wasn't unforeseen. TN hasn't won in Florida in 20 years. Then again, TN was overrated anyway.

[Boston Red]

Colorado State looks good against Colorado. Would love to see them keep it up and win.

[WVRed]

Didn't happen but man that was a pretty heated game.

Travis Hunter got taken out on a cheap shot and had to be taken to the hospital and is going to be out a few weeks.

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[Sea Ray]

Tennessee got spanked by Florida but it wasn't unforeseen. TN hasn't won in Florida in 20 years. Then again, TN was overrated anyway.

I was surprised to see Tennessee favored in this game. I walked up to some other UT fans at Oktoberfest yesterday as the game was starting and all of us agreed that we didn't feel good about this game. That said, it was still a worse performance than I expected. UT has some issues to sort out

[WVRed]

I was surprised to see Tennessee favored in this game. I walked up to some other UT fans at Oktoberfest yesterday as the game was starting and all of us agreed that we didn't feel good about this game. That said, it was still a worse performance than I expected. UT has some issues to sort outI kinda wonder if Florida has finally turned the corner under Napier. This seems like a make or break season for him.

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[Sea Ray]

I kinda wonder if Florida has finally turned the corner under Napier. This seems like a make or break season for him.

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Time will tell. Even their other failed coaches beat Tenn at the Swamp

[Assembly Hall]

Time will tell. Even their other failed coaches beat Tenn at the Swamp

Yep. Florida beating the Vols in the Swamp doesn't mean the Gators are back.

[Assembly Hall]

The SEC vs the field:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-bowl-projections-pac-12-replaces-sec-in-12-team-bracket-after-week-3-of-2023-season/

[RedTeamGo!]

The SEC vs the field:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-bowl-projections-pac-12-replaces-sec-in-12-team-bracket-after-week-3-of-2023-season/

More like Georgia vs the field

[Sea Ray]

The SEC vs the field:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-bowl-projections-pac-12-replaces-sec-in-12-team-bracket-after-week-3-of-2023-season/

Does the 12 team playoff start this year? I thought it didn't start 'till the 2024 season

[Assembly Hall]

Does the 12 team playoff start this year? I thought it didn't start 'till the 2024 season

It starts next year. Evidently "writers" get bored with reality and have to pull stories out of their arszess.

[Kingspoint]

The SEC vs the field:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-playoff-bowl-projections-pac-12-replaces-sec-in-12-team-bracket-after-week-3-of-2023-season/

It's ironic that the Pac-12 is having it's best season since it was the Pac-8 in the 1960's, now that 10 teams are gone next year.

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(9) Notre Dame at (8) Washington
Winner advances to play (1) Georgia*

(12) Tulane* at (5) USC*
Winner advances to play (4) Texas*

(11) Utah at (6) Ohio State
Winner advances to play (3) Florida State*

(10) Oregon at (7) Penn State
Winner advances to play (2) Michigan*

Oregon State is better than all of them, and by the time the decisions are made, it will be Oregon State as the best team in the Pac-12 this season.

[Sea Ray]

It's ironic that the Pac-12 is having it's best season since it was the Pac-8 in the 1960's, now that 10 teams are gone next year.

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(9) Notre Dame at (8) Washington
Winner advances to play (1) Georgia*

(12) Tulane* at (5) USC*
Winner advances to play (4) Texas*

(11) Utah at (6) Ohio State
Winner advances to play (3) Florida State*

(10) Oregon at (7) Penn State
Winner advances to play (2) Michigan*

Oregon State is better than all of them, and by the time the decisions are made, it will be Oregon State as the best team in the Pac-12 this season.

The PAC12 looks great now but is it a mirage? Does anyone play defense in that conference? If the answer's no, that could be why all these offenses look so invincible.

[Assembly Hall]

The PAC12 looks great now but is it a mirage? Does anyone play defense in that conference? If the answer's no, that could be why all these offenses look so invincible.

If the PAC is for real it is due to a few transfer QBs that happen to be Heisman candidates.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oregon State is better than all of them, and by the time the decisions are made, it will be Oregon State as the best team in the Pac-12 this season.

Doubt

[BuckeyeRed27]

Doubt

Yeah I’m not sure the conference champion will be the team that slept walk to a win against SDSU last week…but we shall see!

[bucksfan2]

The Pac 12 may be the deepest conference in the country, which will probably lead them to beating each other up.

Oregon St doesn't play USC this season which may help, but they finish with Washington and Oregon, quite a stretch there.

I don't think Utah wins the conference, but I think they will win a game that has a tremendous amount of sway in the conference.

Washington has an elite QB and WR combo (that is if Pennix can stay healthy), just imagine if they had Ebuka and JTT from OSU, two guys from Washington.

Colorado is fun, but I think they fall flat on their faces coming up. They don't have the depth needed to compete in this Pac 12. Although they do get USC and Oregon St at elevation.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The Pac 12 may be the deepest conference in the country, which will probably lead them to beating each other up.

Oregon St doesn't play USC this season which may help, but they finish with Washington and Oregon, quite a stretch there.

I don't think Utah wins the conference, but I think they will win a game that has a tremendous amount of sway in the conference.

Washington has an elite QB and WR combo (that is if Pennix can stay healthy), just imagine if they had Ebuka and JTT from OSU, two guys from Washington.

Colorado is fun, but I think they fall flat on their faces coming up. They don't have the depth needed to compete in this Pac 12. Although they do get USC and Oregon St at elevation.

Yeah it’s gonna be USC or Washington. Stuff would have to break right but they could both make the playoffs.

[Kingspoint]

The PAC12 looks great now but is it a mirage? Does anyone play defense in that conference? If the answer's no, that could be why all these offenses look so invincible.

No. This was expected going into the season based on the personnel that were coming back. The only surprise has been Colorado, who will get tested against Oregon this week. The Pac-12 games are going to be great to watch. They have a lot of really good Quarterbacks again.

Oregon State had the best Defense in the Pac-12 last season and will end up being better this season Defensively. They have one of the best RB's, if not the best RB, in the country. They have an excellent QB transfer from that place in the South. ;)

USC had the pre-season favorite for best QB in the country.

Washington State has an outstanding QB. Washington has an outstanding QB.

It's hard to place a lot of judgement on the pre-conference games, as most teams tend to play patsies, so those scores mean absolutely nothing. The Pac-12 at least plays more games against tougher opponents pre-conference, so there's more to look at with respect to judging a performance.

The true test will be the new expanded playoffs. Finally! Bowl Games used to be a good test, but they are too far separated from the regular season now to be meaningful.

Until the playoffs, it's just a lot of biased opinions floating around, 90% blurred by East Coast writers, as it always has been.

It will be interesting to see how the Pac-12 separates itself within the conference.

Jonathan Smith, teammate and Quarterback of Stephen Jackson, Chad Johnson and Houshmanzadeh, and starting Quarterback for four seasons at OSU under Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley, has done a great job in his short time at OSU. He's a keeper who should be there for quite a while. He quarterbacked their best teams in the last 55 years.

[bucksfan2]

No. This was expected going into the season based on the personnel that were coming back. The only surprise has been Colorado, who will get tested against Oregon this week. The Pac-12 games are going to be great to watch. They have a lot of really good Quarterbacks again.

Oregon State had the best Defense in the Pac-12 last season and will end up being better this season Defensively. They have one of the best RB's, if not the best RB, in the country. They have an excellent QB transfer from that place in the South. ;)

USC had the pre-season favorite for best QB in the country.

Washington State has an outstanding QB. Washington has an outstanding QB.

It's hard to place a lot of judgement on the pre-conference games, as most teams tend to play patsies, so those scores mean absolutely nothing. The Pac-12 at least plays more games against tougher opponents pre-conference, so there's more to look at with respect to judging a performance.

The true test will be the new expanded playoffs. Finally! Bowl Games used to be a good test, but they are too far separated from the regular season now to be meaningful.

Until the playoffs, it's just a lot of biased opinions floating around, 90% blurred by East Coast writers, as it always has been.

It will be interesting to see how the Pac-12 separates itself within the conference.

Jonathan Smith, teammate and Quarterback of Stephen Jackson, Chad Johnson and Houshmanzadeh, and starting Quarterback for four seasons at OSU under Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley, has done a great job in his short time at OSU. He's a keeper who should be there for quite a while. He quarterbacked their best teams in the last 55 years.

I don't think it was that way when USC was rolling 15 years ago. Same thing when Chip Kelly was at Oregon, IMO they often got the benefit of the doubt when it came to writers.

I think the biggest problem the Pac 12 has is it has to be compelling. It has to be USC under Carroll or Oregon with the unique offense. Because if its not, games start too late to get much of an audience from 2/3 of the country. Heck I am a huge college football fan, and the 8 eastern kick off games, I hardly ever see the end of the game unless OSU is playing.

I think the Pac12 right now is interesting. They do have a lot of veteran QB talent. I think their biggest issue, and probably USC's biggest issue going forward, is does USC have a defense? Because if your bellwether program, the program everyone in the rest of the country looks towards, has Reilly's age old problem, I think it knocks the Pac12 down a bit.

[RedTeamGo!]

Pretty much every college football writer and analyst is picking ND to “upset” OSU. At this point would it really count as an upset if everyone is expecting it?

Hopefully the buckeyes are seeing all the takes out there right now. According to the media the Buckeyes don’t have a shot.

[*BaseClogger*]

They’re favored by 3 last I checked so technically an upset but not saying much.

[Boston Red]

I don't think ND is good. I'll be pretty surprised if they can beat Ohio State.

[Kingspoint]

I don't think it was that way when USC was rolling 15 years ago. Same thing when Chip Kelly was at Oregon, IMO they often got the benefit of the doubt when it came to writers.

I think the biggest problem the Pac 12 has is it has to be compelling. It has to be USC under Carroll or Oregon with the unique offense. Because if its not, games start too late to get much of an audience from 2/3 of the country. Heck I am a huge college football fan, and the 8 eastern kick off games, I hardly ever see the end of the game unless OSU is playing.

I think the Pac12 right now is interesting. They do have a lot of veteran QB talent. I think their biggest issue, and probably USC's biggest issue going forward, is does USC have a defense? Because if your bellwether program, the program everyone in the rest of the country looks towards, has Reilly's age old problem, I think it knocks the Pac12 down a bit.

The Los Angeles schools were always the exception.

[Kingspoint]

They’re favored by 3 last I checked so technically an upset but not saying much.

So, they're saying the teams are even at a neutral site (the game is at Ohio State, right). A road win in College by teams seen as even would be a pretty good upset.

[Boston Red]

No, that would make Ohio State 6-7 points better on a neutral field.

The game is at ND.

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Half the crowd will be Ohio State fans.

[RedTeamGo!]

So, they're saying the teams are even at a neutral site (the game is at Ohio State, right). A road win in College by teams seen as even would be a pretty good upset.

No it’s at ND

[Kingspoint]

No it’s at ND

Then that would not be an upset in my opinion.

Still....

Ohio State 28
Notre Dame 17

[WVRed]

Coach Prime and Colorado getting destroyed in Oregon today. 35-0 and it's not even halftime yet.

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[Assembly Hall]

Coach Prime and Colorado getting destroyed in Oregon today. 35-0 and it's not even halftime yet.

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quack

[oregonred]

Buffalo roast...The B1G and SEC are going to be absurd starting next year.

[Assembly Hall]

I don't think ND is good. I'll be pretty surprised if they can beat Ohio State.

Go Irish!

[Kingspoint]

I can't see any Pac-12 team going undefeated in the Conference.

They will beat each other up.

Washington State is really good.

Colorado reminding everyone of their previous seasons in the Pac-12.

[Todd Gack]

I can't see any Pac-12 team going undefeated in the Conference.

They will beat each other up.

Washington State is really good.

Colorado reminding everyone of their previous seasons in the Pac-12.

I'm waiting for the week wehre USC unexpectedly loses. I'm talking like losing to Cal or AZ. Their defense will allow for this at some point. Obviously, no one would be shocked if they lost to Oregon/Washignton, etc

[Boston Red]

I see the Tucker firing became official today. I've not gone too deep into it, but from the bit I've read about the situation it seems right the Michigan State got rid of him, and he should probably have to settle for about half his guaranteed money. He doesn't deserve it all for being so stupid, but it's not clear at all that what he did constitutes cause that would give Michigan State a complete windfall.

[Chip R]

I see the Tucker firing became official today. I've not gone too deep into it, but from the bit I've read about the situation it seems right the Michigan State got rid of him, and he should probably have to settle for about half his guaranteed money. He doesn't deserve it all for being so stupid, but it's not clear at all that what he did constitutes cause that would give Michigan State a complete windfall.

They were pretty stupid for signing him to that extension in the first place.

[oregonred]

I'm waiting for the week wehre USC unexpectedly loses. I'm talking like losing to Cal or AZ. Their defense will allow for this at some point. Obviously, no one would be shocked if they lost to Oregon/Washignton, etc

Washington looks amazing so far

[Kingspoint]

So, #10 Utah is 4.0 underdogs @ #19 Oregon State

But,...

#11 Notre Dame is 5.5 favorites @ #17 Duke


Either Duke is overrated, Oregon State is underrated, Utah is overrated (not likely).

The only thing the pollsters and Las Vegas agree on is Notre Dame.

I'm going with both the pollsters and Las Vegas being wrong on Notre Dame. Both Duke and Utah cover.

[Boston Red]

I like Oregon State and ND, personally.

[Boston Red]

Louisville is pretty bad, but they're 5-0 with a home game against ND next weekend. If Louisville somehow wins that game, they become a weird, bad playoff contender.

[Stray]

Bearcats have totally dominated BYU for the entire 1st half. With 44 secs left in the half BYU has 38 yards. But because Emory Jones threw a pick six Bearcats are only up 10-7. This should be like a 21-0 game rn.

[Boston Red]

I thought BYU would kneel it out. Instead they went down and scored a TD in 38 seconds. Impressive.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Pac12 has begun to implode

[Stray]

And then we go soft and give up a TD to trail at half. Disaster of a half of football. Frustrating.

[texasdave]

Bearcats did everything but win the game. And, that is all that matters.

[RedTeamGo!]

I wonder if UC will regret leaving the AAC. When Fickell was HC it was a different story. Now, I dunno, might be a team that struggle to be bowl eligible moving forward.

[KronoRed]

I wonder if UC will regret leaving the AAC. When Fickell was HC it was a different story. Now, I dunno, might be a team that struggle to be bowl eligible moving forward.

The new big12 is basically going to be the AAC, they were always going to have trouble this year considering their QB situation.

[GAC]

So, #10 Utah is 4.0 underdogs @ #19 Oregon State

But,...

#11 Notre Dame is 5.5 favorites @ #17 Duke


Either Duke is overrated, Oregon State is underrated, Utah is overrated (not likely).

I'll take C (door #3). But hasn't Utah been without their star QB?

[Boston Red]

The new big12 is basically going to be the AAC, they were always going to have trouble this year considering their QB situation.

And their coach

[WVRed]

Ray Davis already has over 200 yards against Florida and it's not even halftime yet.

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[UKFlounder]

Nice win for the Cats, especially going to,UGA next week

[Kingspoint]

I'll take C (door #3). But hasn't Utah been without their star QB?

Yeah, I didn't know that until I watched the game yesterday. Their Starter sounds like he'll be ready in a couple of weeks, though they are concerned they could be rushing him.

[Kingspoint]

The Pac12 has begun to implode

Nah. So far, everyone has won who should win.

[RedTeamGo!]

Nah. So far, everyone has won who should win.

Wash St beat OSU and then OSU beat Utah. That’s 2 teams eliminated from CFP contention.

[oregonred]

None of them are eliminated if they run the table. Not everyone can have Georgia's cupcake schedule.

[Kingspoint]

Wash St beat OSU and then OSU beat Utah. That’s 2 teams eliminated from CFP contention.

One-win teams can get in. That's not going to be a problem. Especially a one win team from the best Conference in the nation, the Pac-12.

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These teams are going to play a juggernaut schedule in the Pac-12, while they also played against better teams in the pre-season than those teams currently ranked 1-4. Georgia has looked like crap and should be ranked outside the Top-10 right now.

They're going to play each other.

Any of these teams with one win to end the season is 10 times better than an Alabama team that ends up with 1 win, though that's never going to happen for Alabama.

[Kingspoint]

Polls have always been poor judges of talent.