2023-2024 College Basketball Thread

[WVRed]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37571594/wvu-huggins-apologizes-using-anti-gay-slur-radio

Looks like WVU may be looking for a new basketball coach. First thing that came to mind was Thom.

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[Boston Red]

Oh Huggy Bear. Lol. Fun guy to hate.

[WVRed]

Huggins issues apology:

"During the conversation, I used a completely insensitive and abhorrent phrase that there is simply no excuse for -- and I won't try to make one here. I deeply apologize to the individuals I have offended, as well as to the Xavier University community, the University of Cincinnati and West Virginia University. As I have shared with my players over my 40 years of coaching, there are consequences for our words and actions, and I will fully accept (anything) coming my way. I am ashamed and embarrassed and heartbroken for those I have hurt. I must do better, and I will."

"And there's a deep drive to left by Castellanos and that will be a home run. 4-0"

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[RedTeamGo!]

What an idiot

[WVRed]

What an idiotWhat's worse is WVU fans are already rallying behind him. Basically saying that firing him would do too much damage to the university and a hefty fine and 10 game suspension would be better.

Anyone who has complained about Huggins in the last five years, this is your out. You take it. Yes Huggins has brought in a lot of good recruits from the transfer portal this season but if he does stay it's going to bring a LOT of notoriety and negative publicity to not only the program but the state as a whole.

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[kaldaniels]

I heard the clip and it’s like I had hopped in the Delorean and went back 30 years.

Some things never change.

[Sea Ray]

What's worse is WVU fans are already rallying behind him. Basically saying that firing him would do too much damage to the university and a hefty fine and 10 game suspension would be better.

Anyone who has complained about Huggins in the last five years, this is your out. You take it. Yes Huggins has brought in a lot of good recruits from the transfer portal this season but if he does stay it's going to bring a LOT of notoriety and negative publicity to not only the program but the state as a whole.

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Yep. This isn't a big deal in W. Va. He's doing damage control. He'll have to serve a token suspension but he's not going anywhere

[westofyou]

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[NachoMan]

LOL, that is too funny. Cunningham is like the living embodiment of everything that sucks about this city. Him and his army of braindead hicks are the reason why any of our kids with half a brain move the hell away.

[WVRed]

RIP Denny Crum.

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[cumberlandreds]

RIP Denny Crum.

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Great coach. He made Louisville into a national power. Even though he was the coach of the school that was Kentucky's biggest rival, I always had a lot of respect form him. He ran his program in a very calm and efficient manner. He always seemed like a very pleasant person. UCLA's biggest mistake after Wooden retired was not hiring Crum as his successor. UL should ever be grateful they didn't. RIP Denny Crum.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37589221/hall-fame-men-basketball-coach-denny-crum-dies-86

[Boston Red]

A huge part of my childhood dies with Denny. He was the greatest.

[Kingspoint]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_Crum

Denzel Edwin Crum (March 2, 1937 – May 9, 2023) was an American men's college basketball coach at the University of Louisville from 1971 to 2001, compiling a 675–295 (.696) record. He guided the Cardinals to two NCAA championships (1980, 1986) and six Final Fours. Honored in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame since 1994, Crum was one of the major figures in the history of sports in Kentucky and in college basketball.

As the head coach at U of L, Crum was widely credited with pioneering the now-common strategy of scheduling tough non-conference match-ups early in the season in order to prepare his teams for March's NCAA tournament, where one defeat ends the season. Crum's prolific post-season play and calm demeanor earned him the monikers "Mr. March" and his most well-known nickname, "Cool Hand Luke."

[WVRed]

Million dollar salary reduction and suspension for Huggins.

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[Sea Ray]

As I figured...it won't cost him his job like many said

[WVRed]

As I figured...it won't cost him his job like many saidIn all honesty I think the best case scenario would have been for him to resign.

If he was fired it would have been Joe Paterno all over again (not equating what Huggins did with Paterno turning a blind eye to child rape) but the fan reaction.

With WVU taking the path they did now it's a talking point for at least the first half of the season as we are all reminded that Huggins is suspended for homophobic comments.

He is no longer the highest paid employee in the state. That title goes to Neal Brown.

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[Bob Sheed]

If I have arachnophobia, does that mean I make crude jokes about spiders?

[WVRed]

Three game suspension, contract is now year to year and any further comments will result in termination.

Yeah, slap on the wrist.

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[Bob Sheed]

Darn it, I saw blood in the water though! :(

How about Bill Cunningham. Can we nail him for anything?

[kaldaniels]

I heard the clip and it’s like I had hopped in the Delorean and went back 30 years.

Some things never change.

Realizing Gordon Gee is the President of WVU just compounds this thought.

[Sea Ray]

Three game suspension, contract is now year to year and any further comments will result in termination.

Yeah, slap on the wrist.

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His contract kinda was year to year anyway so I don't know that this is a big penalty for him


West Virginia men's basketball head coach Bob Huggins has agreed to a two-year contract extension that will keep him in Morgantown through the 2023-24 season. The school announced the news Friday.

Huggins also has the option to continue coaching or lengthen his relationship with WVU through June 30, 2027.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10011190-bob-huggins-west-virginia-agree-to-2-year-contract-extension

[Sea Ray]

Darn it, I saw blood in the water though! :(

How about Bill Cunningham. Can we nail him for anything?

Interesting that there's been pretty much no pressure exerted against Cunningham except for an editorial from the Enquirer

[Bob Sheed]

Interesting that there's been pretty much no pressure exerted against Cunningham except for an editorial from the Enquirer

Yep, I'm surprised about that too. He kind of opened the door for Huggins with a comment I felt was totally on par with what Huggins said in regard to crudeness and insensitivity.

I'm glad though. This whole Central Scrutinizer phase of the Information Age has been absolute poison to everything from actual discourse to the arts in general.

[Boston Red]

I can't believe Bill Cunningham is still alive, much less still on the radio.

[Sea Ray]

It's now confirmed, Huggs still has a serious drinking problem. Looks like he had another DUI this weekend in Pittsburgh:

https://twitter.com/voicemorgantown/status/1670054012366848000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1670054012366848000%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[Boston Red]

Huggins remaining employed all these years is a miracle. Seems this off-season he's actively trying to get fired.

[Sea Ray]

Think he survives this one? I think not. I think this'll be the final straw. It's not like he's killing it in Morgantown right now. I did think he'd survive the radio incident but not this one

[WVRed]

Huggins remaining employed all these years is a miracle. Seems this off-season he's actively trying to get fired.He either has a serious problem with alcohol and needs help or he has a God complex and thinks he's above the administration.

I'm leaning toward the former.

Either way, he's done. You don't bite the hand that feeds and he's done exactly that. The only thing that saved his job with what he said on Bill Cunningham was that it was WVU and they swept it under the rug. If they don't fire him then he can pretty much do whatever he wants.

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[WVRed]

Huggins had a late team meeting tonight and announced he won't be coaching this season. Unsure if he was fired or allowed to resign.

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[Sea Ray]

Huggins had a late team meeting tonight and announced he won't be coaching this season. Unsure if he was fired or allowed to resign.

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Sounds like they’re letting him resign


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[WVRed]

Wonder who WVU targets to replace Huggins.

Andy Kennedy and Frank Martin both have experience replacing him (Kennedy at UC and Martin at K-State). Of the two I think Martin is more likely. Kennedy is from Mississippi and coaching UAB. I think he stays in the south.

Ron Everhart I think is the most likely option as an interim and then WVU goes for a full time replacement.

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[texasdave]

Random Trivia: Between the years 1951 and 1958, the Dayton Flyers finished runners-up 5 times! 5 times in 8 seasons. And this was when the NIT still meant something.

[Assembly Hall]

Wonder who WVU targets to replace Huggins.

Andy Kennedy and Frank Martin both have experience replacing him (Kennedy at UC and Martin at K-State). Of the two I think Martin is more likely. Kennedy is from Mississippi and coaching UAB. I think he stays in the south.

Ron Everhart I think is the most likely option as an interim and then WVU goes for a full time replacement.

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John Beilein?

[plantmanky]

Im surprised WV didnt have a driver full time for Huggs.

[WVRed]

John Beilein?Don't see it.

He lasted less than one season in the NBA because he couldn't adapt to the players in the league. How well do you think he would do with NIL and the transfer portal?

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[WVRed]

FYI, the NCAA has granted a 30 day window for players from WVU to enter the transfer portal in the wake of Huggins resigning.

I wouldn't be surprised if a coach isn't announced by sometime this week (likely Everhart) to keep the class intact.

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[Assembly Hall]

FYI, the NCAA has granted a 30 day window for players from WVU to enter the transfer portal in the wake of Huggins resigning.

I wouldn't be surprised if a coach isn't announced by sometime this week (likely Everhart) to keep the class intact.

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They should call Tom Crean.

[cumberlandreds]

FYI, the NCAA has granted a 30 day window for players from WVU to enter the transfer portal in the wake of Huggins resigning.

I wouldn't be surprised if a coach isn't announced by sometime this week (likely Everhart) to keep the class intact.

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Vultures are circeling Morgantown as we speak

[Slyder]

John Beilein?

The story is he and his wife didn't like Morgantown, I doubt he would come back. I think the try at the NBA was the last hurrah for him. He's 70 now, I don't think he's going to want to come back to college and have to hit the road recruiting.

[Slyder]

His contract kinda was year to year anyway so I don't know that this is a big penalty for him



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10011190-bob-huggins-west-virginia-agree-to-2-year-contract-extension

There's no excuse for what happened but I just want to remember this guy as coach and leader of men who did what was best for the guys he recruiting to WVU and what he meant for them.

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[Boston Red]

Vultures are circeling Morgantown as we speak

Any vulture not circling should be fired. Taking advantage of situations like this one with WV is literally their job.

[Assembly Hall]

The story is he and his wife didn't like Morgantown, I doubt he would come back. I think the try at the NBA was the last hurrah for him. He's 70 now, I don't think he's going to want to come back to college and have to hit the road recruiting.

I was just throwing some big names out there. WVU can get whoever they want.

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Vultures are circeling Morgantown as we speak

So Cal is lickin' his chops? lol

[WVRed]

I was just throwing some big names out there. WVU can get whoever they want.

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So Cal is lickin' his chops? lolI hope. Hate the state of college sports right now but it is what it is. Jessie Edwards would be nice if Bradshaw is out longer and Tre Mitchell would shore up the potential loss of Antonio Reeves.

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[cumberlandreds]

I was just throwing some big names out there. WVU can get whoever they want.

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So Cal is lickin' his chops? lol

He probably is. He and Huggy are big buddies, so he probably directing them to Cal. College sports is such a mess. Especially basketball. A sport that demands continuity but has none at all right now.

[Assembly Hall]

College sports is such a mess. Especially basketball. A sport that demands continuity but has none at all right now.

I dunno. I like the NIL and transfer rules. It isn't quite a level playing field, but it is a heckuva lot better than it used to be.

[cumberlandreds]

I dunno. I like the NIL and transfer rules. It isn't quite a level playing field, but it is a heckuva lot better than it used to be.

To each is own. But between all of the years of Cal's one and dones and these new transfer rules and NIL has all but killed my interest in college sports, especially basketball. Last year was the least I had ever watched. It will probably be even less this season.

[Assembly Hall]

To each is own. But between all of the years of Cal's one and dones and these new transfer rules and NIL has all but killed my interest in college sports, especially basketball. Last year was the least I had ever watched. It will probably be even less this season.

Looks to me like UK hasn't embraced the NIL.

[cumberlandreds]

Looks to me like UK hasn't embraced the NIL.

I don't really understand how all of the NIL stuff works and quite honestly I don't care to.

[Sea Ray]

I dunno. I like the NIL and transfer rules. It isn't quite a level playing field, but it is a heckuva lot better than it used to be.

NIL is pretty much a killer for IU sports. How are they going to compete for athletes with Bloomington, IN money?

[WVRed]

I don't really understand how all of the NIL stuff works and quite honestly I don't care to.The problem isn't NIL in and of itself. It's the collectives which are funded almost entirely through boosters.

It's why Coach K, Roy Williams, and many of the old guard coaches have gotten out. It's a major issue for Kentucky right now and is why Cal has struck out on every target in the transfer portal this off-season.

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[Boston Red]

NIL is pretty much a killer for IU sports. How are they going to compete for athletes with Bloomington, IN money?

If only IU had some wealthy alumni who were interested in sports...

[Assembly Hall]

If only IU had some wealthy alumni who were interested in sports...

That gave me a good chuckle.

[Assembly Hall]

It's why Coach K, Roy Williams, and many of the old guard coaches have gotten out. It's a major issue for Kentucky right now and is why Cal has struck out on every target in the transfer portal this off-season.

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Wait. What? Duke, UNC, and Kentucky never had any problems buying players in the past. So you are telling me the NIL changed all that?

[dubc47834]

Looks to me like UK hasn't embraced the NIL.

No...looks like everyone else has caught up to UK, and UK fans don't like it

[WVRed]

Wait. What? Duke, UNC, and Kentucky never had any problems buying players in the past. So you are telling me the NIL changed all that?It's not NIL, it's the collective. Apples and oranges.

Cal didn't want a collective because it meant giving input to players. So now they've started the LaFamilia Club which is a collective without calling it a collective. The lack of a collective and boosters not matching is why Kentucky lost Hunter Dickinson to Kansas and Keshad Johnson to Arizona.

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[Assembly Hall]

It's not NIL, it's the collective. Apples and oranges.

Cal didn't want a collective because it meant giving input to players. So now they've started the LaFamilia Club which is a collective without calling it a collective. The lack of a collective and boosters not matching is why Kentucky lost Hunter Dickinson to Kansas and Keshad Johnson to Arizona.

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LOL. Funny stuff.

[WVRed]

It's been a week and Wren Baker still hasn't settled on a coach.

Three players are already in the portal and three more are waiting to see who WVU hires.

It's not a hard decision. Promote Everhart or Eilert, keep the rest of the staff intact, try to keep the team together and then blow it up next off-season. By then Mazzulla could likely be run out of Boston.

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[WVRed]

It's Eilert. Should have been done a week ago.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/west-virginia-names-assistant-josh-eilert-interim-head-coach-for-2023-24-after-bob-huggins-resignation/

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[Slyder]

#FireGee.

[WVRed]

#FireGee.According to Hoppy Kerchuval, the reason this coaching search drug out is because Huggins still has his hands in the program and is refusing to accept what happened.

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[Slyder]

According to Hoppy Kerchuval, the reason this coaching search drug out is because Huggins still has his hands in the program and is refusing to accept what happened.

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I'm also speaking about some of the behind the scenes stuff inside the university itself (attendance, fundraising, etc.). If half of what I have heard is true then Gee has almost singlehandedly run the university into the ditch.

[UKFlounder]

Trouble brewing?


https://www.on3.com/college/west-virginia-mountaineers/news/bob-huggins-says-he-never-retired-threatening-to-sue-if-west-virginia-doesnt-reinstate-him/

[KronoRed]

Burning it down on the way out.

[Sea Ray]

Sounds like Huggins is going out full Scumbag. Anyone surprised?

This kind of BS is not unprecedented. Tarkanian tried this 30 yrs ago and it didn't work out too well for him:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-24-sp-1989-story.html

https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/ROA-Times/issues/1992/rt9202/920225/02250047.htm

[WVRed]

Sounds like Huggins is going out full Scumbag. Anyone surprised?

This kind of BS is not unprecedented. Tarkanian tried this 30 yrs ago and it didn't work out too well for him:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-24-sp-1989-story.html

https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/ROA-Times/issues/1992/rt9202/920225/02250047.htmThe difference is Tark actually did resign and tried to rescind it.

Huggins is saying he never resigned (hard to believe since he told the players that night he was resigning).

I really do think he believes he is above the university and is untouchable.

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[Boston Red]

Tark was king of Vegas until the day he died. I don't think it will be the same for Huggins in WV.

[WVRed]

So true...



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[WVRed]

Tark was king of Vegas until the day he died. I don't think it will be the same for Huggins in WV.Huggins is making sure WVU will have nothing to do with him.

No being honored in any way. Burning bridges. Whatever you want to call it.

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[Sea Ray]

The difference is Tark actually did resign and tried to rescind it.

Huggins is saying he never resigned (hard to believe since he told the players that night he was resigning).

I really do think he believes he is above the university and is untouchable.

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I guess you're defining it as his never signing a resignation letter. This seems pretty clear cut:


The university provided The AP with a copy of a notice sent by Huggins’ wife, June, that same day. It read: “Please accept this correspondence as my formal notice of resignation as WVU Head Basketball Coach and as notice of my retirement from West Virginia University, effective immediately.”

The notice was sent from an email address associated with June Huggins, with a signature indicating it was sent via iPhone. It was sent to Uryasz’s email address and did not appear to be a text message, as Campbell claimed.

West Virginia athletic director Wren Baker responded an hour later by writing, “We accept your resignation and wish you the best in retirement. We appreciate your many years of dedication to WVU.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/former-west-virginia-coach-bob-huggins-says-never-resigned-wants-job-b-rcna93277

[Assembly Hall]

Some complain about the NIL and the transfer portal. All the while we have had Huggins in CBB.

[WVRed]

I guess you're defining it as his never signing a resignation letter. This seems pretty clear cut:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/former-west-virginia-coach-bob-huggins-says-never-resigned-wants-job-b-rcna93277His wife submitted the letter. Not him.

Doesn't matter either way. They could still fire him for cause. He's just trying to muddy up the waters.

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[dabvu2498]

He was drunk during the first resignation, so it didn’t count.

[Sea Ray]

His wife submitted the letter. Not him.

Doesn't matter either way. They could still fire him for cause. He's just trying to muddy up the waters.

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He certainly could have cleared that up several weeks ago. He has lawyers. This is about dollars...about 4 million of them. It's going to cost him in reputation

[cumberlandreds]

He certainly could have cleared that up several weeks ago. He has lawyers. This is about dollars...about 4 million of them. It's going to cost him in reputation

What reputation? He has always been a jerk.

[WVRed]

What reputation? He has always been a jerk.He has (had) a cult following in West Virginia. When he went on Bill Cunningham he got out in front of it essentially knowing his fans and supporters would have his back and it wouldn't go down the same path that Thom did.

Huggins has done a lot for the state and has donated a lot of money to the university. But getting hammered and getting behind the wheel after his previous incident was basically doubling down. I'm honestly glad WVU didn't let him agree to go to rehab especially after they came out and said anything further to embarrass the university would result in termination.

There are fans out there who want Gee gone (don't blame them there) and Huggins back. This fiasco is going to make it very hard to attract any coach outside of the current staff next season.

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[Assembly Hall]

He has (had) a cult following in West Virginia. When he went on Bill Cunningham he got out in front of it essentially knowing his fans and supporters would have his back and it wouldn't go down the same path that Thom did.

Huggins has done a lot for the state and has donated a lot of money to the university. But getting hammered and getting behind the wheel after his previous incident was basically doubling down. I'm honestly glad WVU didn't let him agree to go to rehab especially after they came out and said anything further to embarrass the university would result in termination.

There are fans out there who want Gee gone (don't blame them there) and Huggins back. This fiasco is going to make it very hard to attract any coach outside of the current staff next season.

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I have been down a very similar path with Bob Knight. WVU fans that adore Huggins better start thinking about what is best for the University.

[WVRed]

I have been down a very similar path with Bob Knight. WVU fans that adore Huggins better start thinking about what is best for the University.Joe Paterno comes to mind as well.

From the alcohol perspective as Oscar Combs said, Eddie Sutton. I think Huggins and Sutton's careers mirror each other.

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[Assembly Hall]

Joe Paterno comes to mind as well.

From the alcohol perspective as Oscar Combs said, Eddie Sutton. I think Huggins and Sutton's careers mirror each other.

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Funny how winning can make fans look the other way.

[WVRed]

https://www.wdtv.com/2023/07/10/bob-huggins-releases-statement-says-wvu-lied-about-his-resignation/

Doesn't look like Huggybear is going away anytime soon.

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[Sea Ray]

https://www.wdtv.com/2023/07/10/bob-huggins-releases-statement-says-wvu-lied-about-his-resignation/

Doesn't look like Huggybear is going away anytime soon.

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Sounds like they don't agree on the facts. It looks like Huggins did resign but he's going to start all sorts of lawsuits in an effort to recover some money and hope for an out of court settlement. This is not ending well for Huggins

[Slyder]

If he takes down Gee with him, I can hope for the best. If what I’ve heard from people there is true Gee needs replaced badly and that various areas of the school are crumbling from lack of enrollment and fund raising. I wonder if Ollie would come back and run the university.

[Boston Red]

Bronny James apparently had a cardiac event while practicing at USC yesterday. Scary stuff, but he seems to be stable now.

That sort of event in the LA area obviously brings up really bad Hank Gathers memories.

[Sea Ray]

Bronny James apparently had a cardiac event while practicing at USC yesterday. Scary stuff, but he seems to be stable now.

That sort of event in the LA area obviously brings up really bad Hank Gathers memories.

TMZ is reporting it was a cardiac arrest. Wow

https://www.tmz.com/2023/07/25/lebron-james-son-bronny-cardiac-arrest-usc-basketball-workout/

[Chip R]

How awful. Hope he recovers in full.

[cumberlandreds]

Just shows you how fragile life is. Even a well conditioned athlete is not immune to being a literal heart beat away from death.

[Chip R]

Just shows you how fragile life is. Even a well conditioned athlete is not immune to being a literal heart beat away from death.

You have to wonder if there was some defect in his heart that caused that. Seems like there had to be. Very rare for that to happen a teenager. His family had access to the best medical care and it still wasn't spotted? Not blaming anyone but perhaps it was something that was undetectable. Thank God it didn't end in tragedy.

[cumberlandreds]

You have to wonder if there was some defect in his heart that caused that. Seems like there had to be. Very rare for that to happen a teenager. His family had access to the best medical care and it still wasn't spotted? Not blaming anyone but perhaps it was something that was undetectable. Thank God it didn't end in tragedy.

I thought the same thing. Hank Gathers had some kind of defect and also there a Celtic player who died from something very similar. I can't remember his name. I hope James will be OK and they can rectify whatever caused this.

[Boston Red]

Reggie Lewis

[cumberlandreds]

Reggie Lewis

That's it. Thanks.

[Assembly Hall]

I thought the same thing. Hank Gathers had some kind of defect and also there a Celtic player who died from something very similar. I can't remember his name. I hope James will be OK and they can rectify whatever caused this.

You forget about this?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-recruit-collapses-dies/

[cumberlandreds]

You forget about this?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-recruit-collapses-dies/

Yes I did. Just terrible. Unfortunately there have been many that have died that had a defect they unknowingly had.

[WVRed]

Yes I did. Just terrible. Unfortunately there have been many that have died that had a defect they unknowingly had.I remember Kentucky was getting ready to play in the NCAA tournament when that happened.

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[RichRed]

JMU handed Michigan State their first home loss in November since 1986 last night, winning a 79-76 thriller in OT. It was JMU’s first win over a ranked opponent since they beat Cal (with Jason Kidd) in 1992.

[Sea Ray]

Is JMU eligible for the NCAA tournament?

[RichRed]

Is JMU eligible for the NCAA tournament?

Yep.

[dubc47834]

Is JMU eligible for the NCAA tournament?

I'm not sure. The football team, has applied for a waiver and was denied. I just saw today that they re=applied for the waiver.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38841448/jmu-again-appeals-ncaa-reduce-football-transition-period

[Assembly Hall]

James Madison has been D-I in basketball quite some time. I remember them playing North Carolina in the tournament back in '83.

[Boston Red]

They've been D-I in football forever, too. Just not I-A.

[Assembly Hall]

They've been D-I in football forever, too. Just not I-A.

You knew what I was saying.

[Boston Red]

You knew what I was saying.

For sure. The whole NCAA classification thing can get a little goofy sometimes, though.

[RichRed]

James Madison has been D-I in basketball quite some time. I remember them playing North Carolina in the tournament back in '83.

Lost to the Jordan/Perkins/Worthy Tar Heels by 2 points.

[Assembly Hall]

Lost to the Jordan/Perkins/Worthy Tar Heels by 2 points.

Dan Ruland was a beast for the Dukes.

[Revering4Blue]

Lost to the Jordan/Perkins/Worthy Tar Heels by 2 points.

And had the ball and the lead late in the game with no shot clock. Alas, a Dukes guard got called for a foul away from the ball and everything unraveled from there.


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[Kingspoint]

Ducks look like they are going to be a Sweet Sixteen participant this March.

[Assembly Hall]

Ducks look like they are going to be a Sweet Sixteen participant this March.

Sweet Sixteen? Dana just better get the Ducks to the dance.

[Kingspoint]

Sweet Sixteen? Dana just better get the Ducks to the dance.

They'll probably win the Pac-12 Tournament.

[Assembly Hall]

They'll probably win the Pac-12 Tournament.

Meh, Coach Prime and Colorado will knock them out early.

[WVRed]

Saw an interesting proposition:

If Payne gets fired (likely), would Louisville look at Bob Huggins?

I'd imagine there would be better (and younger) candidates to choose from but bring Huggins aboard with a young assistant to take over when he does retire.

That said I see him back at WVU next year.

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[Sea Ray]

Saw an interesting proposition:

If Payne gets fired (likely), would Louisville look at Bob Huggins?

I'd imagine there would be better (and younger) candidates to choose from but bring Huggins aboard with a young assistant to take over when he does retire.

That said I see him back at WVU next year.

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Did Huggins and W Va ever settle their issue of whether he resigned or was fired?

[Slyder]

Saw an interesting proposition:

If Payne gets fired (likely), would Louisville look at Bob Huggins?

I'd imagine there would be better (and younger) candidates to choose from but bring Huggins aboard with a young assistant to take over when he does retire.

That said I see him back at WVU next year.

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Only way this happens is if Gee is canned (which would be a good thing for the University).

[WVRed]

Did Huggins and W Va ever settle their issue of whether he resigned or was fired?I don't think so but Eilert is coaching on an interim tag and already has a lot working against him. One player kicked off the team and another denied eligibility.

Gee is supposedly retiring this year and Huggins supposedly hasn't hit the bottle since his DUI. There is going to be a lot of fan support to bring Huggins back but whether the administration goes through with it is a different story.

Louisville would be interesting though in that he would go up against Cal every year.

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[Boston Red]

Huggins isn't going to coach Louisville.

[Assembly Hall]

Huggins isn't going to coach Louisville.

I thought the same about Pitino with St. John's. But I wonder, why in the hell would Louisville hire Huggins? The Cards should be looking at a Dusty May instead of a belligerent drunk.

[Boston Red]

A 71 year old (next year) belligerent drunk.

[RichRed]

JMU is in a streak-ending mood this week. They just beat Kent State 113-108 in 2OT, ending Kent’s 23-game home winning streak. That’s 3 OTs in 2 games. I may not survive the season.

[UKFlounder]

That would be bad for your constitution

[RichRed]

That would be bad for your constitution

Nice one!

[Boston Red]

SportsCenter led with James Madison/Kent highlights. Don't see that every day!

[RichRed]

SportsCenter led with James Madison/Kent highlights. Don't see that every day!

Kent blew a 5 point lead with 3.8 (not a typo) seconds left in regulation. Then JMU blew a 5 point lead with 14.7 seconds left in the first OT, before closing it out in the 2nd OT with three starters having fouled out earlier.

Sports!

[Assembly Hall]

Looking forward to the B1G on Peacock tonight. Specifically the Bucknut and Badger games.

[Boston Red]

Louisville didn't improve. Will Payne make it to the new year?

[WVRed]

Don't see Payne making it.

WVU is losing to Monmouth in Morgantown. Going to be a long year.

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[Slyder]

Don't see Payne making it.

WVU is losing to Monmouth in Morgantown. Going to be a long year.

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It be nice if NCAA would let us get a transfer to immediately play like they do for 90% of the other cases.
Also be nice if NCAA would actually punish schools who do real bs (like Kansas, UNC, etc) instead of punishing guys because they accept Taco Bell from a coach.

It also be nice if we had a compete head of the university that was actually working to improve the university. #FireGee

[Boss-Hog]

It be nice if NCAA would let us get a transfer to immediately play like they do for 90% of the other cases.


The vast majority of multi-time transfers are not getting approved via waiver - I've read it's 18% that do, so it's not just WVU.

[WVRed]

The vast majority of multi-time transfers are not getting approved via waiver - I've read it's 18% that do, so it's not just WVU.They just started doing it this past season. The last 2-3 seasons were a free for all but now it's harder to get another transfer unless there is a coaching change and players are transferring out.

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[Boss-Hog]

They just started doing it this past season. The last 2-3 seasons were a free for all but now it's harder to get another transfer unless there is a coaching change and players are transferring out.

Sent from my SM-S911U using TapatalkWhat I think you're referring to that started this past offseason was clarification on what would and would not result in a waiver being approved. Before this past offseason, the NCAA made clear that a player's coach leaving would NOT be grounds for approving a waiver for immediate eligibility:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1638718369409933314?t=yKffp0WvqmNV5AOyLsqNMw&s=19

[Sea Ray]

Looking forward to the B1G on Peacock tonight. Specifically the Bucknut and Badger games.

I really enjoyed that “Badger” game

Go Vols!


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[Assembly Hall]

Maryland loses again. Kevin Willard to Louisville? The Terps would be better off...

[Mutaman]

The Warriors were not at their best (except for Kolek) but had enough for a not too difficult victory at Champaign.

[westofyou]

KU looked formidable with Dickenson last night

[Sea Ray]

KU looked formidable with Dickenson last night

Nice for them that Kentucky's Antonio Reeves threw up 17 threes and only made 3

[plantmanky]

Fire Cal.

[WVRed]

Nice for them that Kentucky's Antonio Reeves threw up 17 threes and only made 3

Yet Kentucky looked like the better team for most of the game.

Losing by 5 to the no 1 team with Hunter Dickinson putting on a 20/20 with three centers out? I'll take it.

Not to mention Wagner and Edwards not playing well. I just hope Cal will get out of his own way and play Reed Sheppard more.

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[westofyou]

Yet Kentucky looked like the better team for most of the game.

Losing by 5 to the no 1 team with Hunter Dickinson putting on a 20/20 with three centers out? I'll take it.

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If you gonna lose that's the way to do it for sure

[cumberlandreds]

I started watching the UK game with Kansas off my DVR last night. At the beginning Holly Rowe was interviewing Cal and Self right before the tipoff. She said Cal had 7 three footers out with injury. Three footers! How did this happen? Cal is really having a circus now at UK.

[WVRed]

I started watching the UK game with Kansas off my DVR last night. At the beginning Holly Rowe was interviewing Cal and Self right before the tipoff. She said Cal had 7 three footers out with injury. Three footers! How did this happen? Cal is really having a circus now at UK.Onyenso and Bradshaw both have foot injuries and Ivisic has eligibility issues to where he may or may not play at all. Good possibility the first two will be back at some point this year.

I'd like to see Kentucky have a coach who rides his best players and not turn it over to the highest rated recruits. Theiro and Sheppard carried the team Tuesday night yet Dillingham, Edwards, and Wagner got more attention.

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[cumberlandreds]

Onyenso and Bradshaw both have foot injuries and Ivisic has eligibility issues to where he may or may not play at all. Good possibility the first two will be back at some point this year.

I'd like to see Kentucky have a coach who rides his best players and not turn it over to the highest rated recruits. Theiro and Sheppard carried the team Tuesday night yet Dillingham, Edwards, and Wagner got more attention.

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But where are these three footers coming from that Ms. Rowe spoke about? I know the seven footers are injured or are ineligible and may unlikely play at all. Why 3 foot players?

[WVRed]

But where are these three footers coming from that Ms. Rowe spoke about? I know the seven footers are injured or are ineligible and may unlikely play at all. Why 3 foot players?Ah, gotcha. I misread your post.

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[Todd Gack]

Angel Reese seems to be handling her fame really well.

[Sea Ray]

Not many fans at Tennessee's game in Maui today. Don't know if it's sparsely attended or if it's because it's 9:30am there

[Reds Freak]

Not many fans at Tennessee's game in Maui today. Don't know if it's sparsely attended or if it's because it's 9:30am there

That tournament was moved to Honolulu, right? Because of the wildfires in Maui earlier this year.

[Boston Red]

Yes, Oahu this year.

Louisville and Indiana going all the way to NYC to play each other. Seems unnecessary. There are plenty of perfectly good arenas in the Louisville/Bloomington/Indy area.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee handled one 7'4" center in Syracuse's Naheem McLeod. I doubt it'll go so well if they get Edey tomorrow night but we'll see

[Mutaman]

Yes, Oahu this year.

Louisville and Indiana going all the way to NYC to play each other. Seems unnecessary. There are plenty of perfectly good arenas in the Louisville/Bloomington/Indy area.

Its The Garden and the restaurants are a lot better.

[Assembly Hall]

Yes, Oahu this year.

Louisville and Indiana going all the way to NYC to play each other. Seems unnecessary. There are plenty of perfectly good arenas in the Louisville/Bloomington/Indy area.

It was a consolation game.

[WVRed]

Kentucky had to go to OT to put St Joe's away. Any team with a legitimate big is going to give them problems until they get healthy.

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[Boston Red]

Its The Garden and the restaurants are a lot better.

Fair, the teams are both bad, so better to focus on the dining.

[Chip R]

Not many fans at Tennessee's game in Maui today. Don't know if it's sparsely attended or if it's because it's 9:30am there

No one attends those games even on the men's side. Those games are either at 9 in the morning or 11 at night and nobody except the teams gives AF.

[Boston Red]

No one attends those games even on the men's side. Those games are either at 9 in the morning or 11 at night and nobody except the teams gives AF.

They're packed when they're in Lahaina. Granted, it's a tiny essentially high school gym there. The last game is at like 5pm local time.

[Sea Ray]

No one attends those games even on the men's side. Those games are either at 9 in the morning or 11 at night and nobody except the teams gives AF.

The game being played now is a little better (attended)

Those fans don’t realize how lucky they are to have such talented teams there. You don’t see 5 of the top 11 teams gathered very often


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[Mutaman]

I watched about 5 minutes of Tennessee/Purdue before I decided that it was the worst sporting event i've ever seen. Let me know when Marquette/kansas starts.

[Boston Red]

Need to get used to saying "#1 ranked Marquette." They might play #2 UConn at some point, too, if those two aren't careful.

[Mutaman]

kudos to Shaka Smart and the Marquette Warriors/ Golden Eagles for knocking off those semi-pros from Kansas. Play another big 7 foot stiff tomorrow for the Maui Championship. and the #1 ranking in the country.

[Assembly Hall]

Boiler up!

[Todd Gack]

Boiler up!

Don't think they can win a National Title (Hell, it's too early to say anything about that) but I do wish Painter a deep run in the tournament this year.

[cumberlandreds]

kudos to Shaka Smart and the Marquette Warriors/ Golden Eagles for knocking off those semi-pros from Kansas. Play another big 7 foot stiff tomorrow for the Maui Championship. and the #1 ranking in the country.

They are all semi pros now. Not just Kansas.

[Assembly Hall]

Don't think they can win a National Title (Hell, it's too early to say anything about that) but I do wish Painter a deep run in the tournament this year.

Boilers taking it to Marquette at the half. 45-33.

[Mutaman]

I guess at some point during the summer they got rid of the three second rule. I must have missed that.

[Assembly Hall]

Go 'Dons...Fort Wayne that is.

[Sea Ray]

Boilers taking it to Marquette at the half. 45-33.

So long as Edey stays healthy they will be tough to beat.


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[Assembly Hall]

So long as Edey stays healthy they will be tough to beat.


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Funny though, Purdue started off like this last year rising to #1. Only to falter in B1G play and in the NCAAT. It is pretty much the same team.

[dubc47834]

Funny though, Purdue started off like this last year rising to #1. Only to falter in B1G play and in the NCAAT. It is pretty much the same team.

Yes...regular season means very little to this team. This year it's all about how they do the the post season. Painter has earned his reputation. I hope he can get past that and make a Final Four appearance.

[Assembly Hall]

Yes...regular season means very little to this team. This year it's all about how they do the the post season. Painter has earned his reputation. I hope he can get past that and make a Final Four appearance.

If Painter can get 29 wins this year that will make 3 straight 29 win seasons. I mean the guy really needs a FF appearance badly. Sadly, I can remember the last Purdue appearance in the FF. College hoops were something else in this state back in those days.

[Assembly Hall]

Ducks look like they are going to be a Sweet Sixteen participant this March.

Santa Clara?

[Todd Gack]

Funny though, Purdue started off like this last year rising to #1. Only to falter in B1G play and in the NCAAT. It is pretty much the same team.

Sorta. They are definitely better and more experienced at the guard position though.

[Assembly Hall]

Sorta. They are definitely better and more experienced at the guard position though.

They got the same starting guards they had last year.

[WVRed]

They got the same starting guards they had last year.Jaden Ivey?

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[Assembly Hall]

Jaden Ivey?

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Ivey wasn't on the team last year.

[Assembly Hall]

Purdue has their 1st conference test tonight. Go Wildcats!

[Stray]

The Reed Sheppard Experience is awesome. My UK fan friends cannot stop talking about him. Dude is electric. So cool for a Laurel County kid.

[Assembly Hall]

Illinois vs. Florida Atlantic about to tip off. Interesting match-up.

[dubc47834]

Illinois vs. Florida Atlantic about to tip off. Interesting match-up.

Was a very good game!

[Sea Ray]

Next up for Illinois, Tennessee on Saturday


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[Assembly Hall]

Michigan St. is broken. HUGE win for the Badgers in East Lansing.

[Boston Red]

Was a very good game!

Florida Atlantic must have literally been asleep when they played Bryant. Xavier is very not good, and they absolutely massacred Bryant.

[Boston Red]

Marquette seems good. Them losing to Wisconsin is mind boggling.

[Assembly Hall]

Marquette seems good. Them losing to Wisconsin is mind boggling.

Rivalry game. Anything can happen but I think you are selling Wiscy short.

[Boston Red]

Rivalry game. Anything can happen but I think you are selling Wiscy short.

I'm actually selling Marquette tall. Wisky may be fine, but they shouldn't be able to compete with this Marquette team.

[Todd Gack]

Crosstown Shootout tomorrow. Looking forward to watching UC for the first time this year. Scheduled hasn't allowed me to do much.

[WVRed]

This will be interesting, the NCAA caved with the player from UNC who threatened a lawsuit now there's a player from WVU actually filing one:

https://wvmetronews.com/2023/12/08/attorneys-for-raequan-battle-for-seek-tro-in-connection-with-legal-challenge-of-ncaa-denial/

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[Sea Ray]

Nice win for my Vols today, beating Illinois 86-79

[LiferJim]

Crosstown Shootout tomorrow. Looking forward to watching UC for the first time this year. Scheduled hasn't allowed me to do much.

They didn’t look good in the 1st half, other than Jizzle James, who is on fire.

Hoping the rest of the team improves their shooting in second half


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[Boston Red]

Nice win for X. Impossible to tell how good UC is given who they've played, but Xavier's season was slipping away from it.

[Todd Gack]

Nice win for X. Impossible to tell how good UC is given who they've played, but Xavier's season was slipping away from it.

Classic Shootout. X plays about as well as they have all year and UC plays worse. . . especially at Cintas.

Needless to say, you're right, they need to beef up their OOC schedule. I hate how they play no one before this game.

[Stray]

Losing every year to Xavier is getting old. Fun game, but still a loss. Brutal.

[Assembly Hall]

The B1G is in trouble come Selection Sunday.

[Todd Gack]

Losing every year to Xavier is getting old. Fun game, but still a loss. Brutal.

The game just doens't mean enough to our coaching staff and players. Even though X has won 13 of last 17, they still see them as "the little guys." Miller is a decent recruiter but skeptical of his X's and O's. Frustrating.

[texasdave]

The Bearcats haven't defeated Xavier since Mick left. Just sayin'.

[Todd Gack]

The Bearcats haven't defeated Xavier since Mick left. Just sayin'.

Mick wasn't great against them either.

[Boston Red]

Even though X has won 13 of last 17, they still see them as "the little guys."

If true, that's hilarious.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan wins in Iowa City. Fran gets tossed.

[UKFlounder]

Juwan Howard stepping down immediately but will stick around as some kind of assistant to Phil Martelli.

Rumors are that he hit the team’s strength coach.

Interesting couple of months in Ann Arbor

Edit:
Jon Rothstein: Michigan’s Juwan Howard is stepping down as head coach effective immediately. Assistant Phil Martelli will become the interim head coach.

Howard will remain with the Wolverines in an assistant role for the remainder of the season before weighing his options in the offseason.

[WVRed]

Juwan Howard stepping down immediately but will stick around as some kind of assistant to Phil Martelli.

Rumors are that he hit the team’s strength coach.

Interesting couple of months in Ann Arbor

Edit:
Jon Rothstein: Michigan’s Juwan Howard is stepping down as head coach effective immediately. Assistant Phil Martelli will become the interim head coach.

Howard will remain with the Wolverines in an assistant role for the remainder of the season before weighing his options in the offseason.There's a fake Jon Rothstein spreading stuff on X apparently.

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[UKFlounder]

Yep - jomrothstein

My bad

[Boston Red]

There's a fake Jon Rothstein spreading stuff on X apparently.

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That fake account got a local Kansas TV station that posted a story about Hunter Dickinson being suspended based on the fake Rothstein account.

[UKFlounder]

I think I’ve got a real source this time, :bang:

Matt Norlander:

Aaaaaaand Chicago State just won AT Northwestern.

3-9 Chicago State.

335 at KenPom Chicago State.

5.1 wins on average PER YEAR the past nine years Chicago State.

Just won at Northwestern.

Northwestern that beat Purdue less than two weeks ago.

That just happened.

[Boston Red]

Well, for once Kenny Payne only suffered the SECOND most embarrassing loss in college basketball on a given night. Congrats to Kenny on that!

[Assembly Hall]

I think I’ve got a real source this time, :bang:

Matt Norlander:

Aaaaaaand Chicago State just won AT Northwestern.

3-9 Chicago State.

335 at KenPom Chicago State.

5.1 wins on average PER YEAR the past nine years Chicago State.

Just won at Northwestern.

Northwestern that beat Purdue less than two weeks ago.

That just happened.

The B1G is horrid.

- - - Updated - - -


Well, for once Kenny Payne only suffered the SECOND most embarrassing loss in college basketball on a given night. Congrats to Kenny on that!

I feel for Cardinal fans.

[Assembly Hall]

Attention Sea Ray....

https://twitter.com/cbkreport/status/1734305270610739452?s=46

[RichRed]

JMU is the only remaining non-P5 unbeaten team.

https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/college-basketball-ranking-undefeated-teams-arizona-clemson-houston-baylor-oklahoma/?taid=65799cc3a7e88e0001af8a86&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Trying to go 11-0 vs. Hampton tomorrow.

[WVRed]

Kentucky and UNC meet tomorrow in the CBS Sports Classic.

With the SEC officially 100% in bed with ESPN after this season I kinda wonder if Kentuckys involvement in the CBS Sports Classic will come to an end too.

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[Todd Gack]

I think I’ve got a real source this time, :bang:

Matt Norlander:

Aaaaaaand Chicago State just won AT Northwestern.

3-9 Chicago State.

335 at KenPom Chicago State.

5.1 wins on average PER YEAR the past nine years Chicago State.

Just won at Northwestern.

Northwestern that beat Purdue less than two weeks ago.

That just happened.

There is more parity than ever in CBB and that's a good thing.

Expand the field to 96 or 128.

[UKFlounder]

I agrée with the parity, but disagree about expanding the field.

I like the tournament as is

[Todd Gack]

I agrée with the parity, but disagree about expanding the field.

I like the tournament as is

I think 128 is too much. I'm fine with 96. I'm also fine with 64 under the guise of "keeping it more prestigious." I just don't want it watered down too much.

[KoryMac5]

Well, for once Kenny Payne only suffered the SECOND most embarrassing loss in college basketball on a given night. Congrats to Kenny on that!

Yep losing to Depaul and Arkansas State back to back is rough...

[Assembly Hall]

Yep losing to Depaul and Arkansas State back to back is rough...

Funny, back in the day DePaul was a powerhouse. I am getting old.

[WVRed]

Well, for once Kenny Payne only suffered the SECOND most embarrassing loss in college basketball on a given night. Congrats to Kenny on that!From what I've read today Payne probably isn't going to survive the season. Heird is meeting with players to weigh options.

Where do you think Louisville goes in a replacement? I'm thinking Dusty May, Pat Kelsey or Steve Forbes.

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[Sea Ray]

Attention Sea Ray....

https://twitter.com/cbkreport/status/1734305270610739452?s=46

I'll take elite 8 this year

[Assembly Hall]

I'll take elite 8 this year

WTH? Final Four or bust...geez.

[Sea Ray]

WTH? Final Four or bust...geez.

We have a block right now at Sweet 16. One step at a time

[cumberlandreds]

Funny, back in the day DePaul was a powerhouse. I am getting old.

Ray Meyer had it going there for a while. He probably had the best team in the nation a couple of times but seemed to always get knocked out early in the NCAA's. They lost to St. Joseph's in the first round one year when they had a great team. That was probably the biggest upset in NCAA tournament history until UMBC beat UVA a few years ago.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Ray Meyer had it going there for a while. He probably had the best team in the nation a couple of times but seemed to always get knocked out early in the NCAA's. They lost to St. Joseph's in the first round one year when they had a great team. That was probably the biggest upset in NCAA tournament history until UMBC beat UVA a few years ago.

Didn't Mark Aguirre play for Ray at Depaul?

[Assembly Hall]

Didn't Mark Aguirre play for Ray at Depaul?

Yes.

[Boston Red]

Joey Meyer destroyed everything his dad built.

[Assembly Hall]

Joey Meyer destroyed everything his dad built.

Damn hard to replace a legend.

[RichRed]

Ray Meyer had it going there for a while. He probably had the best team in the nation a couple of times but seemed to always get knocked out early in the NCAA's. They lost to St. Joseph's in the first round one year when they had a great team. That was probably the biggest upset in NCAA tournament history until UMBC beat UVA a few years ago.

When I was a kid, I was an Old Dominion basketball fan. It was my parents’ alma mater and we would occasionally get to go to some games. In 1981, ODU upset then #1 ranked DePaul. I wasn’t at that game but we did go to the following home game, and the staff handed out signs that said “DePaul who? ODU 63, DePaul 62!” I was so excited to get that sign. Great memory.

[westofyou]

Ray Meyer had it going there for a while. He probably had the best team in the nation a couple of times but seemed to always get knocked out early in the NCAA's. They lost to St. Joseph's in the first round one year when they had a great team. That was probably the biggest upset in NCAA tournament history until UMBC beat UVA a few years ago.

He had some fun teams

[Revering4Blue]

Joey Meyer destroyed everything his dad built.

Ray Meyer himself said in '96 that the rules for recruiting were different when he was in charge and Joey was an assistant. In those days, you could literally visit a recruit's home every day if you wished to. Thus, a HUGE advantage recruiting the talent-laden Chicago area.

And we Gen Xers (and older) remember full well DePaul games on WGN Nationwide when there were very few (even with ESPN) Nationally televised games. Thus, a then-National Profile which disappeared.

For the last ten years or so of Joey Meyer's tenure, Joey never had the aforementioned advantages at his disposal. A decline was inevitable no matter who replaced Ray Meyer. It's the failures of hire after hire post Joey Meyer that should really be questioned here.

[Assembly Hall]

Ray Meyer himself said in '96 that the rules for recruiting were different when he was in charge and Joey was an assistant. In those days, you could literally visit a recruit's home every day if you wished to. Thus, a HUGE advantage recruiting the talent-laden Chicago area.

And we Gen Xers (and older) remember full well DePaul games on WGN Nationwide when there were very few (even with ESPN) Nationally televised games. Thus, a then-National Profile which disappeared.

For the last ten years or so of Joey Meyer's tenure, Joey never had the aforementioned advantages at his disposal. A decline was inevitable no matter who replaced Ray Meyer. It's the failures of hire after hire post Joey Meyer that should really be questioned here.

I had to go look up Joey's record. In 13 years he was 231-158 for a .594 winning %. Not too shabby. He made the NCAAT 7 of his first 8 years. Won 20+ six times. His "downfall" coincided with DePaul joining a conference.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Ray Meyer always seemed to me to be such a nice man.

Ray Mears, on the other hand, I couldn't stand!

[Sea Ray]

Ray Meyer always seemed to me to be such a nice man.

Ray Mears, on the other hand, I couldn't stand!

Ray Mears beat your Wildcats a few more times than Meyer did...

[cumberlandreds]

Ray Mears beat your Wildcats a few more times than Meyer did...

They played them a lot more too.

[Sea Ray]

They played them a lot more too.

Exactly. DePaul was not a rival of UK

[Assembly Hall]

Last night Duke beat Baylor. That was Scheyer's 1st win over a Top Ten team.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/duke-vs-baylor-score-takeaways-blue-devils-coach-jon-scheyer-earns-first-top-10-win-of-his-career/

[WVRed]

Last night Duke beat Baylor. That was Scheyer's 1st win over a Top Ten team.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/duke-vs-baylor-score-takeaways-blue-devils-coach-jon-scheyer-earns-first-top-10-win-of-his-career/Haven't been impressed with Scheyer since he took over. I would say he can recruit but the Duke letterhead sells itself. Next year will be his trial by fire with Cooper Flagg and possibly others coming in.

Only thing that will save his job is that Coach K produced next to nothing in assistants and former players who have went on to have great coaching careers. There is no Daggum Roy Williams at Kansas to take over at UNC and continue Dean Smiths legacy.

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[WVRed]

Really surprised Kenny Payne coached in this game considering Heird was looking into canning him. Jay Williams even commented how Louisville has fallen during the game.

Kentucky fans took over the Yum Center to where it might as well have been Rupp 2.0.

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[Boston Red]

It wasn't fair to bring in some other guy to get smoked in this game. So smiling Kenny went out in his blues to supervise the Louisville bench one last time for one last embarrassing home blowout. Calipari even took it easy in the second half to keep it from looking TOO ugly. Louisville doesn't play again for almost two weeks. Perfect time to let Payne enjoy his money and give someone else 10 days to make this ream his own before heading into the new year. It's not going to be great no matter what, but someone competent can make this group competitive most nights.

[WVRed]

It wasn't fair to bring in some other guy to get smoked in this game. So smiling Kenny went out in his blues to supervise the Louisville bench one last time for one last embarrassing home blowout. Calipari even took it easy in the second half to keep it from looking TOO ugly. Louisville doesn't play again for almost two weeks. Perfect time to let Payne enjoy his money and give someone else 10 days to make this ream his own before heading into the new year. It's not going to be great no matter what, but someone competent can make this group competitive most nights.I'm guessing Nolan Smith will get a look.

Payne will probably have a landing spot in Lexington in the off-season. Hate how his time has gone in Louisville because it made it hard for UK fans to root against the guy compared to Pitino.

Once DJ Wagner committed to Kentucky it was pretty much Game Over for Payne in Louisville. That was his calling card and it never materialized. That and everyone realizing he's a better assistant than a head coach.

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[Boston Red]

It's always a bad sign when your rival's fans like your coach. You know what UK coach UofL fans really liked? Tubby Smith.

In any event, Payne may make it all the way through the season or he may get fired today. All the UofL fans are just throwing their hopes and dreams at a wall and seeing what might stick. But at 9-35 it's pretty clear he's incompetent and it's just a matter of time for him. The one who should REALLY be worried is the AD. The longer he lets this go on the more the fans start wondering if he's part of the problem and maybe should leave with Payne as well.

[Bourgeois Zee]

You know what UK coach UofL fans really liked? Tubby Smith.

Why?

Tubby had a 6-4 record against Louisville and won the last three games against Pitino.

Instead, Cardinal fans should have loved Billy Gillispie, who was 0-2 vs. Louisville.

Joe B. was 2-2 versus Louisville.
Sutton was 3-1.
Pitino, as UK coach, was 6-2.

Calipari, fwiw, is 14-3 after last night.

[Assembly Hall]

Really surprised Kenny Payne coached in this game considering Heird was looking into canning him. Jay Williams even commented how Louisville has fallen during the game.

Kentucky fans took over the Yum Center to where it might as well have been Rupp 2.0.

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Speaking of Jay Williams...Things seemed a little testy with him and Seth on the studio show.

[Boston Red]

Why?

Tubby had a 6-4 record against Louisville and won the last three games against Pitino.

Instead, Cardinal fans should have loved Billy Gillispie, who was 0-2 vs. Louisville.


Well, no one loved Gillispie. He was (probably is) a terrible person. UofL fans certainly didn't mind him as UK's coach, though. Tubby did fine against Louisville, but he also caught Louisville when they were pretty terrible. The three Crum won against Smith never should have happened, honestly. And Smith after that first year led Kentucky's program into a pretty mediocre place.

Our all time favorite UK coach has to be Bill Curry though. That guy lost to Ron Cooper twice. Yo.

[WVRed]

Why?

Tubby had a 6-4 record against Louisville and won the last three games against Pitino.

Instead, Cardinal fans should have loved Billy Gillispie, who was 0-2 vs. Louisville.

Joe B. was 2-2 versus Louisville.
Sutton was 3-1.
Pitino, as UK coach, was 6-2.

Calipari, fwiw, is 14-3 after last night.Tubby all around was a likeable guy regardless of wins or losses. But his refusal to adapt to certain things and style of play wore thin on fans. It wasn't so much the wins and losses that Boston Red is referring to with Tubby in that he largely made Kentucky irrelevant on the national stage toward the end of his tenure.

I remember when Gillespie was canned Pitino endorsed Travis Ford for the job. I'm sure Louisville fans would have loved that at the time.

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[Boston Red]

I remember when Gillespie was canned Pitino endorsed Travis Ford for the job. I'm sure Louisville fans would have loved that at the time.

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I would have preferred Richard Pitino be foisted on UK, but Ford would have worked, too! :)

[cumberlandreds]

Tubby all around was a likeable guy regardless of wins or losses. But his refusal to adapt to certain things and style of play wore thin on fans. It wasn't so much the wins and losses that Boston Red is referring to with Tubby in that he largely made Kentucky irrelevant on the national stage toward the end of his tenure.

I remember when Gillespie was canned Pitino endorsed Travis Ford for the job. I'm sure Louisville fans would have loved that at the time.

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Tubby just couldn't seal the deal on top recruits. That was his downfall. Also took on too many "projects" and I think that drug down the program to a certain degree. Tubby was a very likable person who was really hard to dislike unless you were a racist. If he had made just one more final four I think most would have been very satisfied with his time at UK.

[WVRed]

Tubby just couldn't seal the deal on top recruits. That was his downfall. Also took on too many "projects" and I think that drug down the program to a certain degree. Tubby was a very likable person who was really hard to dislike unless you were a racist. If he had made just one more final four I think most would have been very satisfied with his time at UK.Tubby recruited "his players". He didn't recruit Burger Boys and when he did he had little success with them outside of Tayshaun Prince and one year with Keith Bogans.

Rajon Rondo had a better NBA career than he had at UK. Joe Crawford and Randolph Morris had largely forgettable careers.

I remember when OJ Mayo played in Kentucky and Tubby went to a game. Everyone thought Tubby was there to scout Mayo but he was really there for Ravi Moss who ended up as a walk on and had a pretty successful career. Tubby also didn't recruit other players such as Brandan Wright (UNC) and Corey Brewer (Florida), the latter he said couldn't play in the SEC.

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[Boston Red]

Kenny Payne got the dreaded public vote of confidence from his AD today. So I guess he's sticking around through the break after all.

[Boston Red]

All you Bengals fans should flip to FAU/Arizona in double OT.

[Assembly Hall]

All you Bengals fans should flip to FAU/Arizona in double OT.

Instant classic.

[Assembly Hall]

Typical Michigan St. shenanigans :

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/michigan-state-freshman-jeremy-fears-recovering-following-surgery-after-getting-shot-in-leg-near-his-hometown/

[Assembly Hall]

Illini get dealt a blow:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/terrence-shannon-jr-suspension-illinois-leading-scorer-arrested-charged-with-rape-in-kansas/

[Sea Ray]

So close. Rutgers survives. 2-12 Stonehill was up 58-56 with 20 seconds left, had the ball, missed a shot and Rutgers drilled a 3 to win. Stonehill had just 6 scholarship players available and was 352nd in the NET.

[Todd Gack]

Shaka Smart is annoying.

[Sea Ray]

How do you upset a top 5 team in college basketball? Simple. You hit sixteen 3 pointers


Arizona entered the final day of 2023 as the second-best defensive team in the country, according to KenPom.com. It goes into 2024 hoping that Sunday was a major anomaly.

Stanford hit a school-record 16 3-pointers, needing only 25 attempts to do so, and shot 58.1 percent overall to blow out the 4th-ranked Wildcats 100-82 at Maples Pavilion.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2023/12/31/24021116/arizona-wildcats-mens-basketball-stanford-cardinal-final-score-updates-stats-pac12-highlights-2023

Any given day...

[Assembly Hall]

How do you upset a top 5 team in college basketball? Simple. You hit sixteen 3 pointers



https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2023/12/31/24021116/arizona-wildcats-mens-basketball-stanford-cardinal-final-score-updates-stats-pac12-highlights-2023

Any given day...

I liked Lute. Tommy Lloyd? Not so much.

[Boston Red]

How about Arizona legend Kevin O'Neill? Everyone loves that guy! :laugh:

[WVRed]

How about Arizona legend Kevin O'Neill? Everyone loves that guy! [emoji23]I remember when his last team at Marquette knocked Kentucky out of the NCAA tournament and he was hired by Tennessee the next season.

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[Assembly Hall]

How about Arizona legend Kevin O'Neill? Everyone loves that guy! :laugh:

"Hoosier Daddy?"

[Boston Red]

We were talking about Joey Meyer in this thread not too long ago. I just saw that he died last week. Reading his obit, I had no idea that he was such a good player at DePaul for his dad.

[Boston Red]

I guess the Mick Cronin pretend tough guy act is wearing a bit thin at 6-8 UCLA.