Hoosier Basketball '23-'24: Sweet Sixteen or bust?

[Assembly Hall]

The season isn't getting off to good start, to me anyway. Seeing reports that Newton may be out for the year. IU was kind of thin at the G position to start with.

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/class-of-2024-top-25-guard-annor-boateng-schedules-iu-basketball-official-visit/

[dubc47834]

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/class-of-2024-top-25-guard-annor-boateng-schedules-iu-basketball-official-visit/

Ive seen on FB that we've got quite a few 4 & 5 start recruits making visits. Woody is doing an excellent job on the recruiting trails.

[Sea Ray]

Ive seen on FB that we've got quite a few 4 & 5 start recruits making visits. Woody is doing an excellent job on the recruiting trails.

Unfortunately in today's world it take cash to land these recruits. Does IU have that?

[Assembly Hall]

Unfortunately in today's world it take cash to land these recruits. Does IU have that?

According to reports, 1 booster paid Archie Miller's buyout. That was like 10.3 million. The Hoosiers landed 5* Mackenzie Mgbako. They also landed former 5* Kel'el Ware. I would say the Hoosiers have money. The real question is gonna be can Woodson take the Hoosiers back to their former glory?

[dubc47834]

Unfortunately in today's world it take cash to land these recruits. Does IU have that?

For basketball, they absolutely have the money. Regardless of how down the basketball program has been, IU is still a basketball school and Indiana a basketball state. For the kind of money it probably takes to get these kids, IU can pony up the money. Like Assembly Hall said, at this point its a matter of, Can Woody get the program back to its glory days and keep the fans quiet.

[Assembly Hall]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1694079592342897091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694079592342897091%7Ctwgr% 5E70c1e0fd6ec489d2cb147b7438360c5afe653cde%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fque ry%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FJonRothstein2Fstatus2 F1694079592342897091widget%3DTweet

[Assembly Hall]

The season isn't getting off to good start, to me anyway. Seeing reports that Newton may be out for the year. IU was kind of thin at the G position to start with.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/how-jakai-newton-injury-impacts-indiana-basketball-backcourt-in-2023-24

[Assembly Hall]

Woody got it done. Kentucky is on the schedule.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/report-indiana-vs-kentucky-basketball-series-is-back-in-2025/

[dubc47834]

Woody got it done. Kentucky is on the schedule.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/report-indiana-vs-kentucky-basketball-series-is-back-in-2025/

Can't wait to start the whoopins again...lol

[Assembly Hall]

Recruiting News: Liam McNeeley the No. 13 prospect in the ESPN 100 for the class 2024, will announce his college decision on Sunday, October 15th

[dubc47834]

Recruiting News: Liam McNeeley the No. 13 prospect in the ESPN 100 for the class 2024, will announce his college decision on Sunday, October 15th

I think we have an excellent chance on getting this kid. If I recall correctly, he loved his visit to campus.

[Assembly Hall]

I think we have an excellent chance on getting this kid. If I recall correctly, he loved his visit to campus.

If we don't get him I will be highly disappointed.

[dubc47834]

If we don't get him I will be highly disappointed.

Huuuuuuge get by Coach Woodson!

[Assembly Hall]

Boogie Fland to announce Friday at 2 PM.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/5-star-guard-boogie-fland-sets-decision-date-considering-indiana-kentucky-alabama

[Assembly Hall]

Mgbako arrested this morning. Criminal trespass and resisting law enforcement.

[dubc47834]

Mgbako arrested this morning. Criminal trespass and resisting law enforcement.

I was reading the report. It doesn't paint the greatest of pictures of this kid.

[Assembly Hall]

Derik Queen update: https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/report-2024-5-star-derik-queen-expected-to-announce-college-decision-on-friday/

[dubc47834]

That was a lot closer than expected!

[Assembly Hall]

That was a lot closer than expected!

Our Hoosiers don't make many 3's and they seem to have trouble defending them. Tip of the cap to Florida-GC.

[dubc47834]

Our Hoosiers don't make many 3's and they seem to have trouble defending them. Tip of the cap to Florida-GC.

Absolutely gotta give some credit FGC. They were hitting some shots. It looks like, at least early in the season, we are going to have periods where it's a struggle on offense. Going into the year, I wasn't high on Gabe Cupps. After seeing him in action 2 games now, he needs to get more PT. Good, hard nosed, & scrappy player. I feel like last night Malik would disappear on offense for large stretches. X needs to step up as well.

[Assembly Hall]

Mgbako incident: https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/indiana-basketball-freshman-mackenzie-mgbako-trespass-case-resolved

[dubc47834]

Mgbako incident: https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/indiana-basketball-freshman-mackenzie-mgbako-trespass-case-resolved

Glad it's behind the kid. Hopefully he can keep his nose clean the rest of his time in Bloomington.

[dubc47834]

Another tight game. Coach needs to tighten some things up, or it's gonna be a tough year.

[Playadlc]

Just a pathetic effort tonight. IU won by 8 but this should be treated like a 40 point loss.

[fearofpopvol1]

Not about this season, but this is cool nonetheless...


Nikola Jokic was impressed by Golden State Warriors rookie Trayce Jackson-Davis. The first-year center earned his first taste of guarding Jokic when the two teams faced off on Nov. 8. The Denver Nuggets won the game 105-108. Jackson-Davis played a bigger role than usual due to the absence of Draymond Green, who missed the game due to an injury.

When speaking to the media after the game, Jokic had glowing praise for the Warriors rookie. The veteran big man noted how Jackson-Davis played at such a level that he didn’t appear to be a rookie talent. The first-year big has been impressive to begin his debut season in the league.

To be honest, he didn’t look like a rookie — maybe in some situations — (but) he doesn’t look like a rookie,” Jokic said. “They put him in a system, and he accepted the system. And he didn’t feel like he was like a rookie.

https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/10/nikola-jokic-provides-glowing-praise-on-trayce-jackson-davis/

[dubc47834]

Not about this season, but this is cool nonetheless...



https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/10/nikola-jokic-provides-glowing-praise-on-trayce-jackson-davis/

TJD has played well in the minutes he has been able to get. Klay Thompson and Draymond Green have had high praise for him. Green even said that the 2 rooks should be recalled when they were sent down a week or so ago. Said they bring a positive energy to the vets.

[Assembly Hall]

Gonna be a long year....

[Sea Ray]

Gonna be a long year....

No shame losing to U Conn. There’s lots of time for improvement. You don’t wanna peak in November.

Not every one can be as good as Tennessee in basketball but your hoops will be better than your gridiron team for sure


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[fearofpopvol1]

No shame losing to U Conn. There’s lots of time for improvement. You don’t wanna peak in November.

Not every one can be as good as Tennessee in basketball but your hoops will be better than your gridiron team for sure


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When was Tennessee's last Final 4 appearance?

[Sea Ray]

Don’t know. Why do you ask?


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[fearofpopvol1]

If they're your team, I would think you'd know. It might be a good baseline to see how reliable the program is.

[Sea Ray]

If they're your team, I would think you'd know. It might be a good baseline to see how reliable the program is.

I’m not here to talk history. I’m here to discuss this season. If you’d like to move the discussion to history, just say so. I really don’t know where you’re coming from here. Do you have a point to make?

I’m looking forward to basketball now that my team’s football season is going down hill. When basketball does the same I’ll move on from that too

So what would you like to discuss?


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[dubc47834]

No shame losing to U Conn. There’s lots of time for improvement. You don’t wanna peak in November.

Not every one can be as good as Tennessee in basketball but your hoops will be better than your gridiron team for sure


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Sure...when you play in a cupcake basketball conference!

[Sea Ray]

Sure...when you play in a cupcake basketball conference!

Have you looked at Tennessee's pre-conference schedule? They just beat Syracuse so they might get Purdue tomorrow. They also have North Carolina State and Illinois on their schedule and they've already beaten Wisconsin. I don't know how tough the SEC will be this year but you really can't fault them for their schedule. That's a poor and likely unresearched point on your part. They also beat Mich St for good measure in a pre-season tune up

I don't know what they'll do with Zach Edey if they beat Gonzaga in a couple hours. My Volunteers don't have anyone close to 7 ft, let alone 7'4". My guess is that they'll live with him dominating the paint and strive to shut down the perimeter game.

I don't know how far the Vols will go in March. The tournament doesn't treat them well but as a fan, it's entertaining to watch them get to the tournament

[Assembly Hall]

IU switches to a zone and it works? Hell has frozen over.

[dubc47834]

IU switches to a zone and it works? Hell has frozen over.

...or Coach Knight took over hell...lol

[Revering4Blue]

IU switches to a zone and it works? Hell has frozen over.

And some of the rotations and offensive sets differed from what had witnessed so far. The idea of going to a zone defense apparently didn't originate from Woody, and he acknowledged that and kudos to him for taking ownership and admitting that.

Anyway, the 2-2-1 full while falling back into the 2-3 Zone really seems to fit the personnel well, many of whom lack lateral quickness to begin with.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Now if they can figure out how to shoot a 3 at a 30% success rate...

[Boston Red]

IU switches to a zone and it works? Hell has frozen over.

How dare Woodson trick Kenny Payne like that.

[fearofpopvol1]

I’m not here to talk history. I’m here to discuss this season. If you’d like to move the discussion to history, just say so. I really don’t know where you’re coming from here. Do you have a point to make?

I’m looking forward to basketball now that my team’s football season is going down hill. When basketball does the same I’ll move on from that too

So what would you like to discuss?


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If you're coming into another team's thread to puff your chest when your team's basketball program has won absolutely nothing over it's entire school history, expect to be challenged.

[Sea Ray]

If you're coming into another team's thread to puff your chest when your team's basketball program has won absolutely nothing over it's entire school history, expect to be challenged.

The Indiana Hoosiers basketball history is far superior to Tennessee’s. Is that what you wanted to hear? I didn’t know that was in question.

Is that all you got? Are you not interested in discussing 2023?

You call that a challenge? That was actually pathetic. Certainly you can do better


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[dubc47834]

The Indiana Hoosiers basketball history is far superior to Tennessee’s. Is that what you wanted to hear? I didn’t know that was in question.

Is that all you got? Are you not interested in discussing 2023?

You call that a challenge? That was actually pathetic. Certainly you can do better


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Let's discuss IU basketball here, open a UT thread if you wanna talk about Vols.

[Sea Ray]

Let's discuss IU basketball here, open a UT thread if you wanna talk about Vols.

I’m all for it. I don’t support discussing Tennessee’s Final Four history here in this thread


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[Assembly Hall]

If you're coming into another team's thread to puff your chest when your team's basketball program has won absolutely nothing over it's entire school history, expect to be challenged.

Hmmm. Has IU ever played Tennessee in basketball?

[Sea Ray]

Hmmm. Has IU ever played Tennessee in basketball?

Well the IU ladies played the Lady Vols today and prevailed


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[texasdave]

Hmmm. Has IU ever played Tennessee in basketball?

https://utsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history/indiana-university/26

IU has played Tennessee four times, and prevailed in each encounter.

[Sea Ray]

https://utsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history/indiana-university/26

IU has played Tennessee four times, and prevailed in each encounter.

I remember that last encounter in 1985. I was a student at UT. It was in the NIT and not televised. I listened to it on the radio with a bunch of buddies. I recall IU had a big man from eastern Europe, Uve Blaab. Not sure of the spelling


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[RedTeamGo!]

I remember that last encounter in 1985. I was a student at UT. It was in the NIT and not televised. I listened to it on the radio with a bunch of buddies. I recall IU had a big man from eastern Europe, Uve Blaab. Not sure of the spelling


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Uwe Blab - he was West German

[Assembly Hall]

I remember that last encounter in 1985. I was a student at UT. It was in the NIT and not televised. I listened to it on the radio with a bunch of buddies. I recall IU had a big man from eastern Europe, Uve Blaab. Not sure of the spelling


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'84-'85 was a weird year for IU basketball.

[Assembly Hall]

No X? No problem.

[dubc47834]

Best performance of the year so far.

[fearofpopvol1]

Best performance of the year so far.

Was going to come here and say the same thing. This is not the best MD team, but IU looked dominant and it's still a conference win. Hopefully things are starting to gel together. Curious to see if they get any ranking votes next week.

[dubc47834]

Was going to come here and say the same thing. This is not the best MD team, but IU looked dominant and it's still a conference win. Hopefully things are starting to gel together. Curious to see if they get any ranking votes next week.

Exactly. Also, IU has looked pretty bad at home against some pretty bad teams. So getting the dub and looking good un the process was exciting as a fan.

[Assembly Hall]

Big one tonight in Ann Arbor. A road win would be huge. But I ain't feeling good about it.

[dubc47834]

Big one tonight in Ann Arbor. A road win would be huge. But I ain't feeling good about it.

No, tonite will be a tough one. Buuuuuut, if they do manage to pull this one out, it would change my view of the season for sure.

[Assembly Hall]

No, tonite will be a tough one. Buuuuuut, if they do manage to pull this one out, it would change my view of the season for sure.

If we are to separate ourselves from 2nd tier conference teams we need to win at a 4-4 Michigan.

[dubc47834]

If we are to separate ourselves from 2nd tier conference teams we need to win at a 4-4 Michigan.

Agreed...and would be a solid win on a tourney resume come March. Not a quad 1 for sure, but would be a solid win.

[dubc47834]

Damn....Vegas has Michigan by 7 1/2 points. I may have to take IU and the points on that.

[westofyou]

Damn....Vegas has Michigan by 7 1/2 points. I may have to take IU and the points on that.

That seems large to me.

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If we are to separate ourselves from 2nd tier conference teams we need to win at a 4-4 Michigan.

Who are doing better than expected, I'm surprised. Dug McDaniel is having himself a time so far

[Assembly Hall]

That seems large to me.

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Who are doing better than expected, I'm surprised. Dug McDaniel is having himself a time so far

I see the game coming down to the Wolvernies' 3-pt shooting against the Hoosiers' front court.

[fearofpopvol1]

no ranked votes for the hoosiers this week. then again, northwestern still isn't ranked and they should be. there's a lot of crap at the bottom portion of the top 25.

[dubc47834]

no ranked votes for the hoosiers this week. then again, northwestern still isn't ranked and they should be. there's a lot of crap at the bottom portion of the top 25.

IU's SOS is pretty suspect if I had to guess. And we have struggled with the bottom.

[Assembly Hall]

no ranked votes for the hoosiers this week. then again, northwestern still isn't ranked and they should be. there's a lot of crap at the bottom portion of the top 25.

At this point in time the Hoosiers aren't a Top 25 team.

[Assembly Hall]

Sloppy but I will take a road win any way I can get it. Hoosiers prevail 78-75.

[dubc47834]

Sloppy but I will take a road win any way I can get it. Hoosiers prevail 78-75.

I didn't get a chance to watch it. I'm going to catch the replay tonite. But like you said, any road win is an excellent win in the B10. After the way this team looked early in the season, I'll take it!

[fearofpopvol1]

Reality sets back in. Losing to an unranked Auburn team by nearly 30 on a neutral site is embarrassing. Granted, Auburn looked better than their record and I realize this was closer to a home game for Auburn than Indiana, but still.

[Assembly Hall]

Reality sets back in. Losing to an unranked Auburn team by nearly 30 on a neutral site is embarrassing. Granted, Auburn looked better than their record and I realize this was closer to a home game for Auburn than Indiana, but still.

Fire Woody!

[LiferJim]

Reality sets back in. Losing to an unranked Auburn team by nearly 30 on a neutral site is embarrassing. Granted, Auburn looked better than their record and I realize this was closer to a home game for Auburn than Indiana, but still.

Bobby is rolling over in his grave after that pitiful display of defense


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[Assembly Hall]

The Hoosiers are getting killed by lack of guard play. Hopefully the return of XJ can get this team heading in the "right" direction.

[Assembly Hall]

Jakai Newton:

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/mike-woodson-says-jakai-newton-probably-not-going-to-play-this-season/

[Assembly Hall]

Well poop. Let one slip away against #2.

[oregonred]

Well poop. Let one slip away against #2.
The Hoosiers let a poop slip away?

[Assembly Hall]

I wonder how the team will play tonight against a lesser opponent?

[SunDeck]

I wonder how the team will play tonight against a lesser opponent?Apparently, terrible. But it's a win.

[Assembly Hall]

Apparently, terrible. But it's a win.

That showing was pitiful.

[dubc47834]

I wonder how the team will play tonight against a lesser opponent?

Obviously down to our opponent. That's at least 3 times this year we've played a cupcake at home and played like dookie. This team is void of upperclassman leadership.

[Playadlc]

My favorite thing yesterday was Woody rolling out a lineup in the 2nd half of a shooting guard, 2 power forwards and 2 centers. We continue to get killed from 3 on both ends.

Walker saved IU last night.

[Assembly Hall]

We are in year 3 of the Woodson regime. Unless the Hoosiers figure something out, this could be his worst one.

[SunDeck]

I don't get this team at all. Morehead State is probably better than people think, not in the territory of a one point loss to IU, but nonetheless, not one part of the IU game was clicking. Then the Hoosiers were blistering from the arc against S. Alabama after a season-long drought, and suddenly found a way to beat double teams in the paint. With good man defense to boot.

[dubc47834]

I don't get this team at all. Morehead State is probably better than people think, not in the territory of a one point loss to IU, but nonetheless, not one part of the IU game was clicking. Then the Hoosiers were blistering from the arc against S. Alabama after a season-long drought, and suddenly found a way to beat double teams in the paint. With good man defense to boot.

They are young in all the important places. They play up and down to the competition. Very frustrating.

[Assembly Hall]

They are young in all the important places. They play up and down to the competition. Very frustrating.

Frustrating is being kind. lol. I would have to say there are a lot of players that I am highly disappointed in. But the bench, sans Walker, makes me want to throw my TV out into the road.

[Revering4Blue]

Frustrating is being kind. lol. I would have to say there are a lot of players that I am highly disappointed in. But the bench, sans Walker, makes me want to throw my TV out into the road.

Yup.

And Woody’s constant mass substitution system may work well in the NBA where virtually every player can shoot, but has been a disaster here, as has the over-helping defense when you already have rim protection at your disposal.

I agree about Walker. More minutes from him at the expense of other bench players and the Kansas game is likely a W.


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[Assembly Hall]

Welp, nothing but conference games from this point forward. Not feeling good about tonight. Hell, I ain't feeling good about the rest of the year.

[Sea Ray]

Welp, nothing but conference games from this point forward. Not feeling good about tonight. Hell, I ain't feeling good about the rest of the year.

I'm headed to Knoxville for my Vols conference opener on Saturday. Believe it or not, I've never been to Thompson Bowling Arena. It was under construction when I was there

[cumberlandreds]

I'm headed to Knoxville for my Vols conference opener on Saturday. Believe it or not, I've never been to Thompson Bowling Arena. It was under construction when I was there

I went there the 2nd year it was open to see UK play them. It was very orange as I remember it. :)

[dubc47834]

Welp, nothing but conference games from this point forward. Not feeling good about tonight. Hell, I ain't feeling good about the rest of the year.

I'm hopefully optimistic about the rest of the year. We have played up/down to our level of competition. As the young kids continue to mature I think it only gets better. We also have the benefit of a rather weak start to the B10 schedule, and we're already 2-0. Forever an optimist I guess...LOL.

GO HOOSIERS!!!

[Assembly Hall]

X is back.

[dubc47834]

X is back.

I'd rather he come off the bench. I just think he hurts this current group more than he helps.

[Assembly Hall]

This team isn't even NIT worthy.

[Sea Ray]

19 turnovers

Can’t do that, especially on the road


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[dubc47834]

This team lacks shooting and a true PG.X just isn't that dude.

[Playadlc]

Starting to have doubts that Woodson is the guy. Just zero excuse to be this bad in year 3. We don’t play remotely close to modern basketball on either side of the floor.

[Assembly Hall]

Starting to have doubts that Woodson is the guy. Just zero excuse to be this bad in year 3. We don’t play remotely close to modern basketball on either side of the floor.

"Woodyball" ain't workin'

[dubc47834]

Starting to have doubts that Woodson is the guy. Just zero excuse to be this bad in year 3. We don’t play remotely close to modern basketball on either side of the floor.

I'm not ready to get rid of Woody yet, but the problem is, IU isn't a destination job any more. So many of our fans are hanging on to a past that's not been there in decades. They demand an IU guy, how many of those guys are out there that are willing to come to IU? This fanbase wants guys like Alford, he is not the answer. "IF" IU was to fire Woody, they need to pay up and pay up huge for big name guy to come to Bloomington. I'd say give Woody 2 more years to get his guys in here and see how it plays out.

[Assembly Hall]

I don't see Woody righting the ship this year. I thought X would be the guy to get us over the hump but not any longer. We have sub-standard guard play to put it kindly.

[Revering4Blue]

I'm not ready to get rid of Woody yet, but the problem is, IU isn't a destination job any more. So many of our fans are hanging on to a past that's not been there in decades. They demand an IU guy, how many of those guys are out there that are willing to come to IU? This fanbase wants guys like Alford, he is not the answer. "IF" IU was to fire Woody, they need to pay up and pay up huge for big name guy to come to Bloomington. I'd say give Woody 2 more years to get his guys in here and see how it plays out.

I will preface this by stating there is still time - not much - to turn the season around given the weak overall state of the conference. That said, barring a change in philosophy/strategy/recruiting (Woody tends to go for players with virtually the same skill set, regardless of position), we all need to face the reality of the situation: Woody will be hard-pressed to return the program back to regular elite status. He is a bridge to the next coach. He really needs an established college coach on his staff (see Michigan with Phil Martelli) and he had that with Fife. The defense - which makes Archie's Pack-Line defense look like Kelvin Sampson's swarming defenses at Houston - is much worse without Fife. Coincidence?

There is an "IU Guy" out there who, with all due respect to members of Hoosiers Nation that do not recognize this, could do much better in his sleep than this current regime: Dusty May. Given IU's resources, he'd get it done. And before anyone trots out the "That's what was said about Archie Miller when he was hired" card, the situations are/were totally dissimilar. Dolson, unlike Fred Glass, who thanks to the APR mess left behind by Crean. handcuffed Archie from the get-go, would likely grant May carte blanche to recruit his type of player, just as he has done with Woody.

Lastly, there really isn't such a thing as a destination CBB job anymore. This isn't college football where even an elite coach must be coaching for an elite destination school to have a chance to win a National Championship. Cases in point: Musselman, Drew, Few etc.. don't need UK, UNC, Duke, IU, UCLA. They have built solid programs and engineered multiple deep NCAA runs where they are.
And I can assure you via credible sources That IU - contrary to popular belief from the anti-IU crowd - was not spurned by Donovan and Stevens due to 1)The job not being good enough 2)Lack of $$$. A basic blank check from ANY Blueblood, Elite program virtually guarantees nothing anymore.

[Revering4Blue]

I don't see Woody righting the ship this year. I thought X would be the guy to get us over the hump but not any longer. We have sub-standard guard play to put it kindly.

We haven't recruited a true floor general since Yogi Ferrell, which is indefensible. Though, CAM would have had McKinley Wright and some of his Dayton guards if Glass would have allowed him to do so.

Post Crean, IU has recruited three top-flight talented guards, also indefensible: 1)Romeo Langford, who played most of his season at 65% (if that) due to Injury. 2)Kristian Lander, who frankly, still isn't very good. 3)JHS, who, talented as he is, really isn't much of a pure shooter.

They still keep missing out top flight shooters - all around game be darned - within their own state.

[dubc47834]

I will preface this by stating there is still time - not much - to turn the season around given the weak overall state of the conference. That said, barring a change in philosophy/strategy/recruiting (Woody tends to go for players with virtually the same skill set, regardless of position), we all need to face the reality of the situation: Woody will be hard-pressed to return the program back to regular elite status. He is a bridge to the next coach. He really needs an established college coach on his staff (see Michigan with Phil Martelli) and he had that with Fife. The defense - which makes Archie's Pack-Line defense look like Kelvin Sampson's swarming defenses at Houston - is much worse without Fife. Coincidence?

There is an "IU Guy" out there who, with all due respect to members of Hoosiers Nation that do not recognize this, could do much better in his sleep than this current regime: Dusty May. Given IU's resources, he'd get it done. And before anyone trots out the "That's what was said about Archie Miller when he was hired" card, the situations are/were totally dissimilar. Dolson, unlike Fred Glass, thanks to the APR mess left behind by Crean. handcuffed Archie from the get-go, would likely grant May carte blanche to recruit his type of player, just as he has done with Woody.

Lastly, there really isn't such a thing as a destination CBB job anymore. This isn't college football where even an elite coach must be coaching for an elite destination school to have a chance to win a National Championship. Cases in point: Musselman, Drew, Few etc.. don't need UK, UNC, Duke, IU, UCLA. They have built solid programs and engineered multiple deep NCAA runs where they are.
And I can assure you via credible sources That IU - contrary to popular belief from the anti-IU crowd - was not spurned by Donovan and Stevens due to 1)The job not being good enough 2)Lack of $$$. A basic blank check from ANY Blueblood, Elite program virtually guarantees nothing anymore.

Great post. I agree on Dusty May, he would be a great choice. He has done a fantastic job at FAU. He would keep the "Knight" people quiet as he was a student manager under Coach Knight. Woody was never going to be a long term guy due to his age. I truly think he was a hire to keep a lot of the fanbase quiet. The #1 thing he will get credit for, is helping bring Coach Knight back to Assembly Hall. For that, Hoosier Nation needs to be forever grateful to him for.

As far as destination job, I guess I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that in the way that term has been used in the past. I guess what I'm trying to say is, young coaches just don't look at IU as that place they want or need to coach at. They may look at it as a resume enhancer. Like you said, there are many examples of the Few/Drew success stories of building their own programs. Why deal with the stress of a fan base like IU. IU's fanbase makes it a great job, but our fanbase also makes it a more stressful job than most.

[Sea Ray]

Are you satisfied that Woody is getting the recruits he needs to succeed? I'm sure I don't follow it as well as devote fans but in a quick search it appears 2021 was a lost year in recruiting for IU. Perhaps they're still suffering from that

[dubc47834]

Are you satisfied that Woody is getting the recruits he needs to succeed? I'm sure I don't follow it as well as devote fans but in a quick search it appears 2021 was a lost year in recruiting for IU. Perhaps they're still suffering from that

I'm good with the recruits he's gotten so far. That's why I'm not in the Fire Woody crew yet. I said earlier, a couple more years with mediocre results and I'll be there.

[Revering4Blue]

Are you satisfied that Woody is getting the recruits he needs to succeed? I'm sure I don't follow it as well as devote fans but in a quick search it appears 2021 was a lost year in recruiting for IU. Perhaps they're still suffering from that

Well, Woodson’s initial recruiting class, so to speak, has to be considered a success for one reason. He convinced players, Trayce Jackson-Davis, for example, to stay.

Northwestern transfer Miller Kopp remains the last true starting caliber SF to suit up for IU. Their current 5 star SF is a natural 4 playing out of position. G Tamar Bates’ transfer to Mizzou attracted little fanfare, but he’d be by far the best option at SG were he still a Hoosier.

Bottomline: As previously stated, while Woody has grabbed some nice top-flight recruits/transfers, he has far too often suffered from the Tom Crean Syndrome - recruit players/talent without regard to building a balanced roster. Crean’s best teams - the Zeller years and the ‘16 B1G champs - featured deep, balanced rosters. This isn’t rocket science.


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[Revering4Blue]

Great post. I agree on Dusty May, he would be a great choice. He has done a fantastic job at FAU. He would keep the "Knight" people quiet as he was a student manager under Coach Knight. Woody was never going to be a long term guy due to his age. I truly think he was a hire to keep a lot of the fanbase quiet. The #1 thing he will get credit for, is helping bring Coach Knight back to Assembly Hall. For that, Hoosier Nation needs to be forever grateful to him for.

As far as destination job, I guess I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that in the way that term has been used in the past. I guess what I'm trying to say is, young coaches just don't look at IU as that place they want or need to coach at. They may look at it as a resume enhancer. Like you said, there are many examples of the Few/Drew success stories of building their own programs. Why deal with the stress of a fan base like IU. IU's fanbase makes it a great job, but our fanbase also makes it a more stressful job than most.

Hoosier Red - who hasn’t posted here in a while - summed it up perfectly at the time of Woody’s hire. After you have struck out with elite candidates (Brad Stevens, for one), there’s no mid-major/ up-and-coming coach that makes sense in the way Miller made sense in ‘17, you may as well go with someone with ties to IU under the premise that it may well not work and you’re back to square one in five years. Such a hire also provides cover for the powers-that-be from those who were clamoring for an IU guy.

Having said that, as a former two time NBA head coach and longtime NBA assistant, Woody had/has credentials which transcended his ties to IU. It wasn’t simply an emotional hire.

As for your second point, as a young up-and-coming coach, fans of - insert UK, KU, UNC etc - aren’t going to be any less forgiving than the IU fanbase. That’s important to note. But some younger/on-the-rise coaches may be leery of the IU job thanks to the Archie Miller experience - First, as mentioned previously, the AD meddling, culminating in only a four year coaching tenure. The final season, COVID shortened, and injury-ravaged.

But make no mistake about it, unless an IU HC has designs on coaching in the NBA or has strong ties to a school also considered an elite job - Roy Williams leaving Kansas for UNC, for example - the IU job is in no way, shape or form a resume building, stepping stone job.


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[Assembly Hall]

I better see marked improvement tomorrow night from my Hoosiers.

[Assembly Hall]

Same starting line-up as the 'Braska game.

[dubc47834]

The last 16 minutes or so was what this team can play like if Malik is engaged on the offensive end. It was also night and day how X played tonite(minus the airball...lol). They gotta work on the opponents offensive rebounds tho. 3-1 in the Big 10...I'll take it.

Also, OSU played well. I dont know how much their record is having the 260th SOS, or if they're really solid.

[Assembly Hall]

The last 16 minutes or so was what this team can play like if Malik is engaged on the offensive end. It was also night and day how X played tonite(minus the airball...lol). They gotta work on the opponents offensive rebounds tho. 3-1 in the Big 10...I'll take it.

Also, OSU played well. I dont know how much their record is having the 260th SOS, or if they're really solid.

My take is we got damn lucky. But I'll take it.

[fearofpopvol1]

Good but needed win. Some luck involved but I think they played fairly well. Makes the Nebraska (arse-kicking) loss worse.

[Assembly Hall]

IU got out rebounded by 22. Rarely does a team win with that kind of difference.

[Revering4Blue]

After last night’s much-needed victory, It seems the secret to their success isn’t coaching, X’s performance, 3-point efficiency / 3-point defense - all of which were top notch….It’s having yours truly - even though I was working last night, which entails a lot of time spent in the car - completely forgetting about the game. [emoji3]. I was listening to the Colts debacle of a game instead and didn’t listen/watch a second of the IU game.

I may need to consider conveniently forgetting about the start of their games from here on out. [emoji848]


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[Assembly Hall]

After last night’s much-needed victory, It seems the secret to their success isn’t coaching, X’s performance, 3-point efficiency / 3-point defense - all of which were top notch….It’s having yours truly - even though I was working last night, which entails a lot of. time spent in the car - completely forget about the game. [emoji3]. I was listening to the Colts debacle of a game instead and didn’t listen/watch a second of the IU game.

I may need to consider conveniently forgetting about the start of their games from here on out. [emoji848]


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If I could have icefished last night, I would have conveniently forgot about the game period!

[Assembly Hall]

Well into the RAC tonight. Once again I don't have a good feeling about this one. But hopefully the boys find a way to get the W and keep the metrics heading in the right direction.

[dubc47834]

We suck again!!!

[Assembly Hall]

We suck again!!!

That might have been the worst performance I have ever witnessed by an IU squad. I got nothing else at this point in time.

[dubc47834]

That might have been the worst performance I have ever witnessed by an IU squad. I got nothing else at this point in time.

Thankfully I didn't get to watch it, but I've heard the 1st part of the 2nd half was particularly terrible.

[Sea Ray]

Nebraska's double digit win over Purdue last night makes IU's loss to them seem not so bad

[Assembly Hall]

Nebraska's double digit win over Purdue last night makes IU's loss to them seem not so bad

Impressive win for the Huskers.

[SunDeck]

Nebraska's double digit win over Purdue last night makes IU's loss to them seem not so badExcept for what they did against Rutgers almost makes the Nebraska game seem like a distant memory of an ok team that had an off night against an underrated squad.

The smoldering embers under Dolson's can to move on from Woody are steadily growing to flames. Nice guy; I like him, but it's hard to see him in Assembly Hall if something miraculous doesn't happen to change the perception that his players won't play for him and his NBA ideas aren't working. IU fans almost don't care if a team isn't great, as long as they play hard, tenacious defense, and if missed assignments and leaving lanes wide open is the calling card of this squad, they'll want him gone.

[Assembly Hall]

Last night's win over Mini Soda did nothing to change my opinion of this team.

[dubc47834]

I'll be at the PU game next week in Bloomington, section G Row 8. 1st IU/PU game I've ever been to, and may be the best tickets I've ever had. I can't wait!!!

[Sea Ray]

I'll be at the PU game next week in Bloomington, section G Row 8. 1st IU/PU game I've ever been to, and may be the best tickets I've ever had. I can't wait!!!

Enjoy and give us a full report!

[SunDeck]

Big game for the women at Iowa tonight. I'm not sure they have the juice to win there; Caitlin Clark is averaging 31 per game and has three triple doubles this season (2 in a row). But if they can move the ball in, out, around the arc efficiently and keep the Hawkeyes from shutting down the post, then they may have a chance.

[Assembly Hall]

I'll be at the PU game next week in Bloomington, section G Row 8. 1st IU/PU game I've ever been to, and may be the best tickets I've ever had. I can't wait!!!

Kewl

Hopefully the Hoosiers can deliver a W for ya.

[SunDeck]

The women's team laid a turd in Iowa City. Played a strong 1st half but folded in the 3rd quarter. You could see the lights just go out in the 4th. The only difference from last year, and apparently a very big one, is they don't have Grace Berger to keep them tough.

[Sea Ray]

Any chance against Purdue tonight? Playing on the road has rough this year


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[Hillsdale87]

A program that was committed to winning would not bring Woodson back next year.


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[Sea Ray]

Sure glad Dalton Knecht chose UT over your Hoosiers. This guy is one of the biggest scorers I’ve ever seen in a Tennessee uniform


https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/indiana-basketball-to-meet-with-northern-colorado-transfer-dalton-knecht


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[Hillsdale87]

Sure glad Dalton Knecht chose UT over your Hoosiers. This guy is one of the biggest scorers I’ve ever seen in a Tennessee uniform


https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/indiana-basketball-to-meet-with-northern-colorado-transfer-dalton-knecht


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And he's exactly what IU is missing. No playmaking from the wings. IU hasn't had guards that can shoot since Crean got fired


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[Assembly Hall]

A program that was committed to winning would not bring Woodson back next year.


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I really was hoping that Woodson was the man. It ain't working.

[Hillsdale87]

I really was hoping that Woodson was the man. It ain't working.

I was too. But we're way worse in year 3, and all of the roster construction issues are still the same. I'm sure he's trying, but he can't bring in a guard. I just don't see a reason to expect things to get better.


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[Assembly Hall]

I was too. But we're way worse in year 3, and all of the roster construction issues are still the same. I'm sure he's trying, but he can't bring in a guard. I just don't see a reason to expect things to get better.


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He is just a flat ass terrible college basketball coach.

[Todd Gack]

He is just a flat ass terrible college basketball coach.

I never really understood the hire in the first place outside of "He's an Indiana guy."

[Assembly Hall]

I never really understood the hire in the first place outside of "He's an Indiana guy."

He not only was an Indiana guy but a Knight guy as well.

[Revering4Blue]

I never really understood the hire in the first place outside of "He's an Indiana guy."

I will first preface this response by stating that I echo the sentiments of both Hillsdale87 and Assembly Hall regarding Woodson - both presently and the future. Personally, I have seen enough. Go get Dusty May before he lands in Louisville, Ann Arbor or Columbus and torments IU for years.

Now, in no particular order, the chief factors as to why Woodson was chosen:

- The IU brass basically placed all of their proverbial eggs in the Brad Stevens basket. He had/has no interest in coaching College hoops again, whether it’s IU, UK, Duke, you name it. But they had to at least try.

- There was no up-and-comer that made sense in the way Archie Miller made sense in ‘17.

- All of the desirable difference-making Major Conference coaches and or elite coaches (Few, for example) were unattainable/in the midst of deep NCAA runs.

Again, this isn’t NCAA football where even elite coaches must be coaching for elite jobs. The NCAA landscape is completely different from the time period in which Sampson jumped to IU and Belein left WVU for Michigan. This point cannot be emphasized enough. Roy Williams - who had strong ties to UNC - remains the exception. That said, It remains to be seen if Dolson even approached/pursued Eric Musselman, for example. If he didn’t, he is a worse AD than I thought.

- It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the IU brass were laser-focused on catering to the ‘We Need An IU Guy’ crowd - led by Dan Dakich, who has since turned on Woodson - once it was apparent Stevens wasn’t coming. To that end….

- Juwan Howard’s then-deep run with a roster far better than any IU roster in quite some time gave the IU brass the impression they could replicate that at IU with an IU guy who happened to be an ex NBA coach.


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[dubc47834]

I'll be at the PU game next week in Bloomington, section G Row 8. 1st IU/PU game I've ever been to, and may be the best tickets I've ever had. I can't wait!!!

The game the other night was an absolute mess. There were fans that actually left at halftime, we left about the 7 minute mark of the 2nd half, which is a first for me. Partly because I had an hour drive in horribly cold weather, and mainly because the game was crap. I understand Mbacko got in to early foul trouble, but once you get behind by as far as they did, you have to bring him back in, he got off to a hot start. Foul shots were atrocious because we can't play defense, that wasn't on the refs. Sure, there was a few bad calls, happens in every game. Team played with no heart, and the crowd wasn't really in the game either. Probably in part to not having a reason to be. I've been to 50+ IU games in Assembly Hall, this was top 5 worst experience. Seats were great at least!

[RedTeamGo!]

He is just a flat ass terrible college basketball coach.

Shouldn't you be blaming the players? :D

[Assembly Hall]

Shouldn't you be blaming the players? :D

LOL. Actually there is some blame that goes on the players. Like blocking out.

[dubc47834]

Why am I not surprised!

[Assembly Hall]

Why am I not surprised!

Hoosiers got some fight in 'em down the stretch.

[Playadlc]

"In my 51 years behind this microphone I will say something that I've never said before: I'm embarrassed for this team, and it has nothing to do with the score."
- Don Fischer

Mike Woodson can not be brought back for a 4th year.

[SunDeck]

It should be a foul to rub your face on another player and Klesmit sold the elbow like a South American soccer player, but obviously Gunn needs to have more presence of mind there.

So now the Hoosiers are doing the math of buying out Woody before April, 2025 when they will owe him 50% rather than 100% of his remaining contract. It didn't deter them from letting Allen go.

[RedTeamGo!]

It should be a foul to rub your face on another player and Klesmit sold the elbow like a South American soccer player, but obviously Gunn needs to have more presence of mind there.

So now the Hoosiers are doing the math of buying out Woody before April, 2025 when they will owe him 50% rather than 100% of his remaining contract. It didn't deter them from letting Allen go.

Klesmit seems like a D

[SunDeck]

He's the Caitlin Clark of UW basketball. Except for the talent part.

[Hillsdale87]

This was always the concern with Woodson. If it doesn't work, the exit is going to be painful for everybody. I just don't get what the full issue is. He's now signed 5 5*s in 4 years, plus held onto TJD. He clearly has some pull and connects to players. But he's either striking out with guards or doesn't properly value them.

Either way, the inability to bring in a guard who is a real threat behind the 3 point line is sinking him. You could see it last night. Klesmit flipped the game with his 3s. IU has nobody like that, and it doesn't appear like it's a priority to Woodson for some reason. Even when they had a knockdown 3 point shooter last year in Kopp, he was only taking 4 per game.

The thing is, from a talent standpoint, I still don't feel like they're too far away. But the roster won't make sense unless they find that dynamic SG. I don't know if everybody would stay if Woodson is fired, but at this point I'd expect Reneau and Mgbako back. I think both can be awesome next year. Mgbako still has a ways to go in terms of intensity, but the flashes are there. Ware's stock has dipped a bit after a jump early, so up in the air with him. But that's a very good front line even without him. Add a guard, find a coach who can better use the pieces, and they could make a jump next year. But I'm not holding my breath that change is coming...


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[Assembly Hall]

Beard can coach. Woodson cannot. The only coach in the league that saves Mike from being the worst is Juwan Howard.

[RedTeamGo!]

Beard can coach. Woodson cannot. The only coach in the league that saves Mike from being the worst is Juwan Howard.

I would take Woodson over Holtmann in a heartbeat

[Assembly Hall]

I would take Woodson over Holtmann in a heartbeat

Then you can have Woody. I am sure you guys can set up an office in Columbus where Mike can puff on cigars and sip fine wines.

[Revering4Blue]

Beard can coach. Woodson cannot. The only coach in the league that saves Mike from being the worst is Juwan Howard.

Man, it’s really the pits when we have to parse information to discern which B1G coaches, if any, are worse than our own. At least Howard has Martelli on his bench, but I have made that point before.

Here’s what it boils down to: Tom Crean, while maddeningly inconsistent, led IU to three Sweet 16 appearances. One (2016) with a short-handed team - Blackman Jr. and Robert Johnson, our best shooters, were sidelined - and was subsequently fired one year later. It was time.

If your current coach is worse than Crean - and there’s no logical reason to believe Woody is not worse than Crean - it’s time to cut bait.


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[Assembly Hall]

Man, it’s really the pits when we have to parse information to discern which B1G coaches, if any, are worse than our own. At least Howard has Martelli on his bench, but I have made that point before.

Here’s what it boils down to: Tom Crean, while maddeningly inconsistent, led IU to three Sweet 16 appearances. One (2016) with a short-handed team - Blackman Jr. and Robert Johnson, our best shooters, were sidelined - and was subsequently fired one year later. It was time.

If your current coach is worse than Crean - and there’s no logical reason to believe Woody is not worse than Crean - it’s time to cut bait.


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Push Woody out the door and hire DeVries away from Drake.

[Revering4Blue]

Push Woody out the door and hire DeVries away from Drake.

ANYONE capable of establishing a system/culture predicted around a modern approach to all facets of the game.


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[dubc47834]

ANYONE capable of establishing a system/culture predicted around a modern approach to all facets of the game.


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This...I dont need an Indiana guy, I don't want a Bob Knight guy. I just want a guy that is going to build this program back to being in the NCAA tourney regularly and contending for natties.

[Assembly Hall]

This...I dont need an Indiana guy, I don't want a Bob Knight guy. I just want a guy that is going to build this program back to being in the NCAA tourney regularly and contending for natties.

Steve Alford is offended. lol

[dubc47834]

Steve Alford is offended. lol

Good...I'm not an Alford fan, as a coach. Great player at IU, but a terrible coach.

[RedTeamGo!]

Good...I'm not an Alford fan, as a coach. Great player at IU, but a terrible coach.

Is he a terrible coach, though? He has taken every team he has coached to the NCAA tourney, including the likes of Nevada, Southwest Missouri St (to the sweet 16), and New Mexico. He currently has Nevada at a 15-4 record. He has taken his teams to 5 sweet 16s and 1 final four.

Not saying he is a great coach, but the results speak for itself.

I would take Alford as OSU's coach in a heartbeat.

[Revering4Blue]

Is he a terrible coach, though? He has taken every team he has coached to the NCAA tourney, including the likes of Nevada, Southwest Missouri St (to the sweet 16), and New Mexico. He currently has Nevada at a 15-4 record. He has taken his teams to 5 sweet 16s and 1 final four.

Not saying he is a great coach, but the results speak for itself.

I would take Alford as OSU's coach in a heartbeat.

No, he’s not a terrible coach at all. You don’t win that many games as a ‘terrible’ coach. He had the misfortune of following superior coaches ( at least at the time for the latter) at Iowa and UCLA. And all of his Sweet 16 losses occurred as an underdog.

No, he isn’t, and was never, my choice to succeed Crean,Miller or Woody. But it’s crystal clear he could at least design and implement a modern system, as opposed to the current IU system that resembles an NBA style that is obsolete from even NBA standards.


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[Assembly Hall]

Good...I'm not an Alford fan, as a coach. Great player at IU, but a terrible coach.

Nah. Steve is a good coach. But his time for landing at IU has came and went. At least that is my opinion.

[Assembly Hall]

Time for Woody to go on a winning streak starting tonight. It's gonna get uglier in Bloomington if the Hoosiers lose.

[Sea Ray]

Iowa on the season is having a strong season with the offense averaging 85.3 points per game and the are going to have no issue running up the score here. Indiana only scored 62 points in the last game and they aren’t going to run up the score here. Iowa is going to put on a show with the offense and this game is going to get out of hand early. Back Iowa to cover the spread here

https://pickdawgz.com/college-basketball-picks/2024-01-30/iowa-vs-indiana-prediction-college-basketball-picks

[dubc47834]

Fun game tonite. Not really a good game or a bad game. Happy for Anthony Leal and Gabe Cupps. Sucks to see X go down like that!

[Assembly Hall]

https://pickdawgz.com/college-basketball-picks/2024-01-30/iowa-vs-indiana-prediction-college-basketball-picks

Iowa put up an offensive show alright lol

[dubc47834]

https://pickdawgz.com/college-basketball-picks/2024-01-30/iowa-vs-indiana-prediction-college-basketball-picks

This aged well also!

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Iowa put up an offensive show alright lol

Exactly...just say you don't know anything about Assembly Hall without saying you don't know anything about Assembly Hall!

[dubc47834]

Maybe Tennessee and their fans should focus on the Gamecocks and not breaking NCAA rules!

[Sea Ray]

Maybe Tennessee and their fans should focus on the Gamecocks and not breaking NCAA rules!

The basketball team sure didn't show up tonight. Perhaps SC is pretty good but still, UT couldn't hit their shots and it was ugly. It seems like all college basketball teams have nights like this these days. The good ones have very few. It gets tough for my Vols, going to Rupp next

[Sea Ray]

Maybe Tennessee and their fans should focus on the Gamecocks and not breaking NCAA rules!

Looks like #3 NC lost tonight too. Yeah it was on the road but it was also to a sub .500 team in Ga Tech

Glad you're so interested in Tennessee in this thread. I thought it was for IU stories but now that I see you do wanna talk Tenn, I'll enjoy stopping in from time to time as this season progresses

[dubc47834]

Looks like #3 NC lost tonight too. Yeah it was on the road but it was also to a sub .500 team in Ga Tech

Glad you're so interested in Tennessee in this thread. I thought it was for IU stories but now that I see you do wanna talk Tenn, I'll enjoy stopping in from time to time as this season progresses

You know what you were doing. You came in here trying to troll the local IU fans and it backfired.

[Sea Ray]

You know what you were doing. You came in here trying to troll the local IU fans and it backfired.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. I have no issue with IU. None. I try to keep my UT basketball comments limited to the NCAA thread but now you’ve changed all that. I could have posted in here every time UT has won (and that’s been often) but I haven’t.

Do you really want me to troll IU and brag about UT here? If that’s what you want you ain’t seen nothing yet


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[dubc47834]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. I have no issue with IU. None. I try to keep my UT basketball comments limited to the NCAA thread but now you’ve changed all that. I could have posted in here every time UT has won (and that’s been often) but I haven’t.

Do you really want me to troll IU and brag about UT here? If that’s what you want you ain’t seen nothing yet


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Keep the UT stuff out of here. A couple years ago when I made some comments about the Bengals, I was told to not make them in the Bengals threads because those were fans and would and did get upset. So I rarely make any kind of post in those threads that may offend Bengals fans, I make them in the NFL threads. But your post was clearly making a jab at IU. You can act all innocent and act like you don't know what you were posting about, that's your MO.

[Sea Ray]

Keep the UT stuff out of here. A couple years ago when I made some comments about the Bengals, I was told to not make them in the Bengals threads because those were fans and would and did get upset. So I rarely make any kind of post in those threads that may offend Bengals fans, I make them in the NFL threads. But your post was clearly making a jab at IU. You can act all innocent and act like you don't know what you were posting about, that's your MO.

Keep UT stuff out of this? You brought UT into it here:

https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?124935-Hoosier-Basketball-23-24-Sweet-Sixteen-or-bust&p=4676770&viewfull=1#post4676770

That post wasn't in response to any UT stuff I posted

Let the record show you started this but I will finish it

[dubc47834]

Keep UT stuff out of this? You brought UT into it here:

https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?124935-Hoosier-Basketball-23-24-Sweet-Sixteen-or-bust&p=4676770&viewfull=1#post4676770

That post wasn't in response to any UT stuff I posted

Let the record show you started this but I will finish it

That post was made in response to your trolling IU basketball. Ima go on about my day...have a good one SeaRay!

[Assembly Hall]

Seeing reports that nothing is broken with Reneau or X. Both could be back by Saturday. We shall see.

[Sea Ray]

That post was made in response to your trolling IU basketball. Ima go on about my day...have a good one SeaRay!

No one was trolling. I was posting content pertinent to IU basketball. I will continue to do so. If you have a problem with what I post, be an adult and tell me what you have a problem with and why. If you just deflect to UT sports then that leads to the problem you currently have. I don't recall you telling me which posts are trolling and why they bothered you

[Revering4Blue]

https://pickdawgz.com/college-basketball-picks/2024-01-30/iowa-vs-indiana-prediction-college-basketball-picks

That’s what I would have bet were I more of a gambling man. I am pleasantly surprised by the result.

For the record, this is/was pertinent to IU hoops. Your posts here have all contained pertinent subjects to IU hoops:

- The portal player who chose UT and is lighting it up. Though I am not sure IU had much of a chance of nabbing him.

- The state of the program compared with UT. UT has righted their ship, while there’s no excuse for the IU program to be as down as they have been for so long.

I didn’t take them as trolling at all, fwiw.


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[dubc47834]

Seeing reports that nothing is broken with Reneau or X. Both could be back by Saturday. We shall see.

That's good news. Malik's injury seemed more like it could be a quicker recovery. X's tho, the way he was screaming, felt like it was really bad. His team mates were crying on the bench. Glad to hear he's probably good.

[Sea Ray]

That’s what I would have bet were I more of a gambling man. I am pleasantly surprised by the result.

For the record, this is/was pertinent to IU hoops. Your posts here have all contained pertinent subjects to IU hoops:

- The portal player who chose UT and is lighting it up. Though I am not sure IU had much of a chance of nabbing him.

- The state of the program compared with UT. UT has righted their ship, while there’s no excuse for the IU program to be as down as they have been for so long.

I didn’t take them as trolling at all, fwiw.


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I appreciate that. I know next to nothing about Iowa BB but I found that prediction exceedingly pessimistic towards IU and I'm glad he was wrong. I posted it to show how the gamblers nationally are looking at IU. It had zero to with the SEC.

If I were to troll IU vs UT, I'd have been here when IU was playing teams that UT has played, namely Purdue, Illinois and Wisconsin. IU did not fare very well vs any of those teams. Although I consider Purdue the better team, UT did quite well against them all

I was a Bobby Knight fan. I doubt IU can get back to those heights but I'd love to be wrong. Let's continue to follow them and let's see

[Assembly Hall]

I appreciate that. I know next to nothing about Iowa BB but I found that prediction exceedingly pessimistic towards IU and I'm glad he was wrong. I posted it to show how the gamblers nationally are looking at IU. It had zero to with the SEC.

If I were to troll IU vs UT, I'd have been here when IU was playing teams that UT has played, namely Purdue, Illinois and Wisconsin. IU did not fare very well vs any of those teams. Although I consider Purdue the better team, UT did quite well against them all

I was a Bobby Knight fan. I doubt IU can get back to those heights but I'd love to be wrong. Let's continue to follow them and let's see

DeVoe's Buckeyes teammates included Bob Knight, under whom he served as an assistant coach, from 1965 to 1970, while Knight led the Army Black Knights men's basketball team

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_DeVoe

[Sea Ray]

Maybe Tennessee and their fans should focus on the Gamecocks and not breaking NCAA rules!

Well, well, well. Cat got your tongue?

Wanna talk about a couple games yesterday? Where’s your comments on Tennessee now? While your Hoosiers were losing at home vs a very beatable team, my Volunteers were scoring over 100 points at Rupp. That’s fun and exciting.

No one’s talking about South Carolina on Rocky Top today. The talk is about where in the top ten they’ll be ranked tomorrow and whether they’re in line for a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament

Knowing that your Hoosiers will be lucky to even make the NIT, why would you talk smack about Tennessee? Your lack of judgment amazes me

Apologies to the rest of you very decent IU fans who have to read this


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[Assembly Hall]

The pitiful loss to Penn St. at home has even some of the most optimistic IU fans heading for the aisles on the season. Of course, I am not one of those fans. I gave up on the season a while back.

[Revering4Blue]

The pitiful loss to Penn St. at home has even some of the most optimistic IU fans heading for the aisles on the season. Of course, I am not one of those fans. I gave up on the season a while back.

And a Penn State team missing its best player at that.

No excuse, even with the poor roster construction, for a team with three 5 star recruits to be this bad.

Perspective: This team resembles the team with Noah Vonleh - not that Vonleh was at fault - with poor shooting/scoring. Also, the defense is as bad as Crean’s last IU team. The aforementioned teams sported the lowest rankings of IU teams in their respective areas in the last decade.

Both teams missed the NCAA tournament and this team may well mirror the ‘14 team and not even qualify for the NIT.


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[dubc47834]

Well, well, well. Cat got your tongue?

Wanna talk about a couple games yesterday? Where’s your comments on Tennessee now? While your Hoosiers were losing at home vs a very beatable team, my Volunteers were scoring over 100 points at Rupp. That’s fun and exciting.

No one’s talking about South Carolina on Rocky Top today. The talk is about where in the top ten they’ll be ranked tomorrow and whether they’re in line for a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament

Knowing that your Hoosiers will be lucky to even make the NIT, why would you talk smack about Tennessee? Your lack of judgment amazes me

Apologies to the rest of you very decent IU fans who have to read this


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WTF are you talking about. Nobody here is saying IU is better than UT right now. IU sucks this year. Cat got my tongue, what are you 12? You guys got a good win and we took a bad L. We've been taking them all season. Going in to the year, honest IU fans knew it was going to be a struggle to get in the tourney. We just didn't know it was gonna be struggling to get in the NIT. Gloat all you want, you're still a troll!

[Sea Ray]

WTF are you talking about. Nobody here is saying IU is better than UT right now. IU sucks this year. Cat got my tongue, what are you 12? You guys got a good win and we took a bad L. We've been taking them all season. Going in to the year, honest IU fans knew it was going to be a struggle to get in the tourney. We just didn't know it was gonna be struggling to get in the NIT. Gloat all you want, you're still a troll!

I’m talking about you smack talking against Tennessee in an IU thread. Not the smartest thing you’ve ever done. By doing that, you can damn well expect to get blasted back and that I did.

Honest UT fans knew we were in for a fun year and we’re absolutely enjoying it. You bringing up upset losses and investigations doesn’t change that


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[dubc47834]

WTH just happened. Jekyll & Hyde

[RedTeamGo!]

WTH just happened. Jekyll & Hyde

Chris Holtmann happened.

Indiana looked absolutely awful in the first half. Players looked like they didn’t even want to be there. Chris Holtmann finds a way.

GG (I guess?) Hoosier bros.

[Assembly Hall]

Do you believe in miracles?

[Playadlc]

Holtmann is finished.

Really happy for Leal/Gallo and Reneau. They played their butts off.

[dubc47834]

We just plain suck!!!

[Assembly Hall]

We just plain suck!!!

That is being kind.


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[Assembly Hall]

Indiana coach Mike Woodson: “The season’s not over, guys .. We still have six, seven games to play. … We’re still in the thick of things.” #iubb

[SunDeck]

Indiana coach Mike Woodson: “The season’s not over, guys .. We still have six, seven games to play. … We’re still in the thick of things.” #iubbOptimism about mediocrity, he sounds a lot like Tom Allen at this point.

[dubc47834]

Optimism about mediocrity, he sounds a lot like Tom Allen at this point.

This team will be lucky to get an invite to the NIT.

[Assembly Hall]

This team will be lucky to get an invite to the NIT.

I was looking at that. IU currently sits @ 14-10. 7 games left before the BTT. The Hoosiers would have to go 2-5 to finish 16-15. Looking at those 7 games I would say that IU won't be favored in any of them.

[Revering4Blue]

I was looking at that. IU currently sits @ 14-10. 7 games left before the BTT. The Hoosiers would have to go 2-5 to finish 16-15. Looking at those 7 games I would say that IU won't be favored in any of them.

And all of this during a season with the B1G about as relatively poor top-to-bottom as ever.

Fun times, indeed.


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[Assembly Hall]

And all of this during a season with the B1G about as relatively poor top-to-bottom as ever.

Fun times, indeed.


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It is a good thing my sister owns a bar...

[Playadlc]

Have to move on from Woodson at the end of the year.

[Revering4Blue]

Have to move on from Woodson at the end of the year.

Yup.

Fork over the buyout and spin it as his retirement - he claimed he was/is a bridge coach when he was hired. Well, the bridge is now collapsing.

This is no doubt difficult for those of us who loved Woody as a player, but it must be done. While perusing various IU boards, I am amazed at the mental gymnastics of some who still suggest Woody ‘deserves’ a fourth year. That, frankly, amounts to arguing just to argue, as there is not ONE logical reason for him to return.


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[Assembly Hall]

Yup.

Fork over the buyout and spin it as his retirement - he claimed he was/is a bridge coach when he was hired. Well, the bridge is now collapsing.

This is no doubt difficult for those of us who loved Woody as a player, but it must be done. While perusing various IU boards, I am amazed at the mental gymnastics of some who still suggest Woody ‘deserves’ a fourth year. That, frankly, amounts to arguing just to argue, as there is not ONE logical reason for him to return.


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I always look forward to the start of the MLB season. But this year it can't get here soon enough.

[RedTeamGo!]

Looking at the box score of this game and I can’t comprehend how Indiana lost. Indiana shot 51% from the field and Nw shot like 37%. I figured had to be offensive rebounds or something but Indiana had 1 more board. I don’t understand.

[Revering4Blue]

Looking at the box score of this game and I can’t comprehend how Indiana lost. Indiana shot 51% from the field and Nw shot like 37%. I figured had to be offensive rebounds or something but Indiana had 1 more board. I don’t understand.

Poor free throw shooting. What else is new. Also, 11 IU turnovers to 3 from NW. NW 11 points from TOs. IU zero points from TOs.


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[Assembly Hall]

Looking at the box score of this game and I can’t comprehend how Indiana lost. Indiana shot 51% from the field and Nw shot like 37%. I figured had to be offensive rebounds or something but Indiana had 1 more board. I don’t understand.

We just flat ass suck.

[dubc47834]

Looking at the box score of this game and I can’t comprehend how Indiana lost. Indiana shot 51% from the field and Nw shot like 37%. I figured had to be offensive rebounds or something but Indiana had 1 more board. I don’t understand.

We don't play smart basketball and we don't hustle. Not a winning combination. But hey, we had some cool jerseys!

[Sea Ray]

Poor free throw shooting. What else is new. Also, 11 IU turnovers to 3 from NW. NW 11 points from TOs. IU zero points from TOs.


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That sounds like poor effort and defense…which gets back to coaching


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[Assembly Hall]

Mike Woodson: "I'm a realist, man. I've been doing this a long time ... it's not time to panic. We just gotta continue to work and see where it leads us."#iubb

— Alec Lasley (@allasley) February 20, 2024

[Strikes Out Looking]

So here's my take: IU's guard play is awful. They were depending on X this season, and he's been hurt most of the time. The others are young and aren't top notch (not Yogi or Isiah standard). And while some of the players are highly touted, they are all from the "system" where they play high level basketball from the time they show ability (and size). I'm not sure anyone knows how to find the talent needed to excel these days - Woody is better than Archie was. Crean found it for a few years but then went weird on us.

I'd give Woodson another year or two before moving on. But I just don't know what it takes to find the talent they need.

[Assembly Hall]

I'd give Woodson another year or two before moving on. But I just don't know what it takes to find the talent they need.

No. Woodson should have been fired yesterday. Find the talent they need? It is in West Lafayette.

[dubc47834]

No. Woodson should have been fired yesterday. Find the talent they need? It is in West Lafayette.

Painter doesn't get top notch talent in West Lafayette. What he does a really good job of is recruiting a certain style of player. Players that fit his system of basketball. IU doesn't know what kind of basketball they want to play. It's hard to recruit when you don't truly know what brand of basketball you want to play. The Bob Knight way doesn't win basketball games any more, we can't recruit kids that shoot either. Hell, we can't even recruit kids that can consistently hit a free throw.

[Strikes Out Looking]

No. Woodson should have been fired yesterday. Find the talent they need? It is in West Lafayette.

He's got one 7'4" guy. And he hasn't hung any banners with him.

[Assembly Hall]

He's got one 7'4" guy. And he hasn't hung any banners with him.

He has 2 guards that are better than what we got.

[dubc47834]

He has 2 guards that are better than what we got.

Not sayin much tho!

[Revering4Blue]

No. Woodson should have never been hired in the first place.

FIFY

Sadly, this is apparent. His hiring only became palatable for the majority of IU Nation for two reasons: Matta in the NCAA version of the NBA GM role; Fife, with experience both as a D1 HC and longtime Izzo assistant and possibly coach-in-waiting. Both are gone - so are TJD - and it's crystal clear the emperor - who continues to present excuse and repetitive clichés, while throwing players under the bus - has no clothes.

We ALL want IU hoops to become a sustained Elite program again. And some of us just view things differently. With that in mind, I will provide some counterpoints to Woodson supporters:

They were depending on X this season, and he's been hurt most of the time.

They weren't good even with X. That's part of the problem. Woody believed the current guards were good enough and failed to land an impact guard in the portal. He also left a scholarship open in the process. This poorly constructed roster is Woody's mess. Do we really have faith in him to fix this?

I'm not sure anyone knows how to find the talent needed to excel these days

It starts with playing a modern style on both sides of the ball. Woody has talked the talk, but hasn't walked the walk in that regard. If you are a top-flight guard, why would you want to play in a traditional big-centric system? On a related note, the failure of Woody to utilize Ware in a Myles Turner role is indefensible.

Woody is better than Archie was.

100 per cent differing situations.

Archie inherited a team that had lost its top four scorers from an underachieving team. He also inherited locker room issues from returning players. Unlike Woody, He didn't have the luxury of an undergraduate transfer portal until years later. On top of that, he inherited the APR mess, where no one could transfer in for a season.

In spite of that, Archie had the team in NCAA play in '20 before Covid struck. And his injury-plagued - Franklin missed significant time, while Brunk missed the entire season - Covid- shortened final season, while the B1G was significantly stronger than today, was still rated much higher Kenpom than the current IU team. So, the argument that Woody led the team back to the NCAAs while Archie couldn't is disingenuous.

Once the core of Archie's recruits moved on, his successor has failed to provide any semblance of a clue as to how to construct a roster on his own within the confines of modern basketball.

I'd give Woodson another year or two before moving on.

While Louisville, tOSU, Michigan and possibly at least two of the incoming Pac 12 entries into the B1G upgrade their current coaching situations? With all due respect, no way!

It would possibly be one thing if the program had positive momentum with a top-flight recruiting class coming in. As it was under Crean's and Archie's last seasons, that's clearly not the case. With a top flight class of Indiana HS kids in '25 out there for the taking that may well want nothing to do with this program and outdated schemes, the time to move on is after the season.

Plus, If Woody were to retire and move into an Ambassador role, while IU hires, for example, Dusty May, McNeeley would still likely honor his commitment to IU.

[Assembly Hall]

FIFY

Sadly, this is apparent. His hiring only became palatable for the majority of IU Nation for two reasons: Matta in the NCAA version of the NBA GM role; Fife, with experience both as a D1 HC and longtime Izzo assistant and possibly coach-in-waiting. Both are gone - so are TJD - and it's crystal clear the emperor - who continues to present excuse and repetitive clichés, while throwing players under the bus - has no clothes.

We ALL want IU hoops to become a sustained Elite program again. And some of us just view things differently. With that in mind, I will provide some counterpoints to Woodson supporters:

They were depending on X this season, and he's been hurt most of the time.

They weren't good even with X. That's part of the problem. Woody believed the current guards were good enough and failed to land an impact guard in the portal. He also left a scholarship open in the process. This poorly constructed roster is Woody's mess. Do we really have faith in him to fix this?

I'm not sure anyone knows how to find the talent needed to excel these days

It starts with playing a modern style on both sides of the ball. Woody has talked the talk, but hasn't walked the walk in that regard. If you are a top-flight guard, why would you want to play in a traditional big-centric system? On a related note, the failure of Woody to utilize Ware in a Myles Turner role is indefensible.

Woody is better than Archie was.

100 per cent differing situations.

Archie inherited a team that had lost its top four scorers from an underachieving team. He also inherited locker room issues from returning players. Unlike Woody, He didn't have the luxury of an undergraduate transfer portal until years later. On top of that, he inherited the APR mess, where no one could transfer in for a season.

In spite of that, Archie had the team in NCAA play in '20 before Covid struck. And his injury-plagued - Franklin missed significant time, while Brunk missed the entire season - Covid- shortened final season, while the B1G was significantly stronger than today, was still rated much higher Kenpom than the current IU team. So, the argument that Woody led the team back to the NCAAs while Archie couldn't is disingenuous.

Once the core of Archie's recruits moved on, his successor has failed to provide any semblance of a clue as to how to construct a roster on his own within the confines of modern basketball.

I'd give Woodson another year or two before moving on.

While Louisville, tOSU, Michigan and possibly at least two of the incoming Pac 12 entries into the B1G upgrade their current coaching situations. With all due respect, no way!

Did Woody learn a damn thing playing for RMK?

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Painter doesn't get top notch talent in West Lafayette.

BS. Furst and Kaufman-Renn were recruited nationally.

[dubc47834]

BS. Furst and Kaufman-Renn were recruited nationally.

I get that, maybe my post wasn't worded clearly. Painter is an excellent recruiter when it comes to his "type" of player. He generally isn't in on the most highly recruited players nationally.

[dubc47834]

Did Woody learn a damn thing playing for RMK?

This is a problem for me. I wish we'd move on from any and all things Bob Knight. It's holding us back. We can't, nor should we, forget about Coach Knight and his legacy. But there are way too many fans that live, breathe, and die Bobby Knight. Someone else said earlier, we need to play a current style of basketball, and Bob Knight guys generally aren't coaching that.

[Revering4Blue]

I get that, maybe my post wasn't worded clearly. Painter is an excellent recruiter when it comes to his "type" of player. He generally isn't in on the most highly recruited players nationally.

Gotcha. That makes all kinds of sense. I get the feeling - again, just using hypothetical examples - Dusty May or Josh Schertz, if coaching IU would build their rosters similarly, while successfully recruiting the ‘Region’ area of Indiana. While at the same time, they would also grab their fair share of Top-flight talent - Nationally and within the state of Indiana. Both utilize a style which attracts players. And with IU's resources..


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I get that, maybe my post wasn't worded clearly. Painter is an excellent recruiter when it comes to his "type" of player. He generally isn't in on the most highly recruited players nationally.

OK. I can buy that. And I will add that when it comes to in-state talent Matt is all over it and goes up against the "big boys" to get said talent. Purdue's roster is full of Hoosiers.

[Revering4Blue]

This is a problem for me. I wish we'd move on from any and all things Bob Knight. It's holding us back. We can't, nor should we, forget about Coach Knight and his legacy. But there are way too many fans that live, breathe, and die Bobby Knight. Someone else said earlier, we need to play a current style of basketball, and Bob Knight guys generally aren't coaching that.

Dusty May is. But he never played for Knight and it doesn’t detract from your spot-on point at all.

I’ll let AH answer this for himself. But I think his point is Woody should have learned from RMK that great coaches - schematically, in game coaching - ALWAYS adjust accordingly.


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[Assembly Hall]

This is a problem for me. I wish we'd move on from any and all things Bob Knight. It's holding us back. We can't, nor should we, forget about Coach Knight and his legacy. But there are way too many fans that live, breathe, and die Bobby Knight. Someone else said earlier, we need to play a current style of basketball, and Bob Knight guys generally aren't coaching that.

I was a big RMK guy right up until about 1995 or 1996. The college game had passed him by and it really wasn't the X's and O's part of it.

[Assembly Hall]

Dusty May is. But he never played for Knight and it doesn’t detract from your spot-on point at all.

I’ll let AH answer this for himself. But I think his point is Woody should have learned from RMK that great coaches - schematically, in game coaching - ALWAYS adjust accordingly.


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Do you think Woody would have lasted if Bobby pulled him out of the game up by 2 with 14 minutes to play in the 1st half due to mass substitutions?

Jesus. I don't know how many times this year the Hoosiers were looking good and Woody does a line change. Those substitutions end up changing the momentum as the opponent goes on a 33-6 run to end the half. I could go on and on about Mike's coaching or lack thereof. But I won't because it's obvious he's not suited for the job.

[dubc47834]

I was a big RMK guy right up until about 1995 or 1996. The college game had passed him by and it really wasn't the X's and O's part of it.

I am still a huge Bob Knight guy. Some of my favorite memorablia in my mancave are my Bob Knight items. As a university and as a fanbase we can't forget what Coach done while at IU. You are correct, the game had passed Coach by around the time you mentioned. I was debating a lady on social media the other day. She was still upset Coach was fired. I was like really?, he shoulda been fired way before he was. And it wasn't like he was making deep runs in the NCAA any more.

[dubc47834]

Dusty May is. But he never played for Knight and it doesn’t detract from your spot-on point at all.

I’ll let AH answer this for himself. But I think his point is Woody should have learned from RMK that great coaches - schematically, in game coaching - ALWAYS adjust accordingly.


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I'd be totally cool with a Dusty May hire. In the end, I don't really care who coaches at IU, as long as they are coaching winning basketball...consistently!!!

[Assembly Hall]

I am still a huge Bob Knight guy. Some of my favorite memorablia in my mancave are my Bob Knight items. As a university and as a fanbase we can't forget what Coach done while at IU. You are correct, the game had passed Coach by around the time you mentioned. I was debating a lady on social media the other day. She was still upset Coach was fired. I was like really?, he shoulda been fired way before he was. And it wasn't like he was making deep runs in the NCAA any more.

Bobby's coaching demise coincided with Damon Bailey's departure.

[SunDeck]

There are many aspects of his coaching that are no longer applicable in present day NCAA basketball, but I think there are worthwhile attributes of the Knight era; tenacious one on one defense, team over self, committing to the coaches' planning, relentless preparation, acting with integrity, etc. And I also believe IU fans mistakenly believe that these are values of Bobby Knight exclusively, rather than of IU Athletics. No, these are examples also set by prior IU coaches like Jerry Yeagley and Doc Counsilman (and I wonder whether what IU fans truly value is derived at least equally from the example set by John Wooden). Unfortunately, it seems we will just have to wait for the last generation of people still sporting their Texas Tech hats and sweaters to pass on before we see an end to requiring their coaches to prove their RMK creds.

[dubc47834]

Woodson needs to go....ASAP!

[Assembly Hall]

Woodson needs to go....ASAP!

Should have never been hired, but here we are.

[dubc47834]

Should have never been hired, but here we are.

I don't have an issue with the hire. I just think its turned out pretty quickly he isn't a good leader/motivator. He had a week before our last lose to get some things worked on, nothing got better. The loss last night, they team came out flat as hell, not motivated. That falls flat in the lap of the coaches. As a coach/leader, you have to be an excellent motivator, Mike Woodson is not that!

[Assembly Hall]

I don't have an issue with the hire. I just think its turned out pretty quickly he isn't a good leader/motivator. He had a week before our last lose to get some things worked on, nothing got better. The loss last night, they team came out flat as hell, not motivated. That falls flat in the lap of the coaches. As a coach/leader, you have to be an excellent motivator, Mike Woodson is not that!

As I said earlier, Woodson didn't learn a damn thing playing under RMK.

[SunDeck]

Some good news for Hoosier hoops, the IUWBB team stuffed Caitlin Clark, holding her to 4 points in the second half and shot 52% in their best game of the year, downing the Iowa Hawkeyes in convincing fashion. After an abysmal loss to unranked Illinois, with their top 16 seed in doubt, IU looked like a team with a chip on its shoulder.

[dubc47834]

Some good news for Hoosier hoops, the IUWBB team stuffed Caitlin Clark, holding her to 4 points in the second half and shot 52% in their best game of the year, downing the Iowa Hawkeyes in convincing fashion. After an abysmal loss to unranked Illinois, with their top 16 seed in doubt, IU looked like a team with a chip on its shoulder.

The women's team is good enough again to do some amazing things comes March Madness. Just need a little bit more constancy. But I think they can beat any team in the country.

[SunDeck]

The women's team is good enough again to do some amazing things comes March Madness. Just need a little bit more constancy. But I think they can beat any team in the country.Yeah, they've been a question mark at times, maybe just not able to rally and focus like last year, which was probably because Grace Berger was able to put them on her back and force through the low points against tough teams. This year they have had a tendency to fold, so the smash-mouth game last night (Scalia, the most stoic player on the team got a T for some extra post-basket trash talking), which was very physical and chippy, was good to see. I think when it's all clicking, they are actually better and deeper than last year and now with Parrish back, they may be able to peak at the right time and make some noise. And speaking of noise, Assembly Hall was as loud as I have ever heard. With the steep stands, it feels like the entire crowd is on top of the court. My ears are ringing today.

[dubc47834]

Yeah, they've been a question mark at times, maybe just not able to rally and focus like last year, which was probably because Grace Berger was able to put them on her back and force through the low points against tough teams. This year they have had a tendency to fold, so the smash-mouth game last night (Scalia, the most stoic player on the team got a T for some extra post-basket trash talking), which was very physical and chippy, was good to see. I think when it's all clicking, they are actually better and deeper than last year and now with Parrish back, they may be able to peak at the right time and make some noise. And speaking of noise, Assembly Hall was as loud as I have ever heard. With the steep stands, it feels like the entire crowd is on top of the court. My ears are ringing today.

100% agree.

Assembly Hall has for years been that way for the men's team. Only recently has fans started showing the women's team support. I heard last night's game was a sell out. So I could imagine how loud it was. When that place is hoppin, I get goose bumps!

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I saw on another forum that IU has reached out to Dusty.

[RedTeamGo!]

I saw on another forum that IU has reached out to Dusty.

The Columbus Dispatch reported OSU has reached out to him as well.

Is Woodson even fired yet?

[Assembly Hall]

The Columbus Dispatch reported OSU has reached out to him as well.

Is Woodson even fired yet?

I saw that as well.

No.

[Assembly Hall]

The boys just couldn't get over that hump today. Another stellar performance by Woody and his band of losers.

[dubc47834]

The boys just couldn't get over that hump today. Another stellar performance by Woody and his band of losers.

Roster construction is absolutely terrible, and the coaching has been even worse!

[Playadlc]

I saw on another forum that IU has reached out to Dusty.

Heard from a guy plugged in (paid discord thing) if IU makes a move they hope it doesn't get past two people. Bruce Pearl and then Dusty May.

He also said Dolson wants to make a move but Buckner doesn't and that's a big hold up.

[dubc47834]

Heard from a guy plugged in (paid discord thing) if IU makes a move they hope it doesn't get past two people. Bruce Pearl and then Dusty May.

He also said Dolson wants to make a move but Buckner doesn't and that's a big hold up.

I'd tale both of those guys!

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Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers!

[SunDeck]

Great move by Woody to get someone in the balcony to pull the fire alarm and stop that Wisconsin run.

[dubc47834]

Heyyyyyy...we're good again. If only till our next game!

[Assembly Hall]

Heyyyyyy...we're good again. If only till our next game!

Are we good again? Wisconsin has went from #6 in the polls to the toilet.

[dubc47834]

Are we good again? Wisconsin has went from #6 in the polls to the toilet.

Obviously we aren't even close to good...it was sarcasm...lol

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Obviously we aren't even close to good...it was sarcasm...lol

Hey. You never know. The Hoosiers could win out conference play. That would mean wins over Minny and Sparty along with a .500 record in conference.

The NIT is in reach!

[dubc47834]

Hey. You never know. The Hoosiers could win out conference play. That would mean wins over Minny and Sparty along with a .500 record in conference.

The NIT is in reach!

I definitely think the NIT is doable still. I still think they probably miss out tho.

[Assembly Hall]

I definitely think the NIT is doable still. I still think they probably miss out tho.

NIT looks likely now.

[dubc47834]

NIT looks likely now.

Rooting for the NIT...LOL...yeaaaaahhhhh

[SunDeck]

Women's team finished out with a win. Looking like a top 16 (4) seed and the latest bracket took them away from playing SC to get to the final 8. But there really isn't an easy road in any region. Still room to move up if they play well in the Big Ten tournament.

[Assembly Hall]

Let's cut some Wood:

https://www.change.org/p/stop-quinn-buckner-fire-mike-woodson?source_location=psf_petitions

[WVRed]

Sorry guys:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/03/06/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-will-return-to-coach-iu-hoosiers-next-season-2024-25/72872341007/

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[dubc47834]

Sorry guys:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/03/06/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-will-return-to-coach-iu-hoosiers-next-season-2024-25/72872341007/

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I'm good. I would prefer that he not be coaching this team, but it is what it is. The buy out is huge and the athletic department just paid a huge buyout for the football coach. This season isn't completely on Coach Woodson, but when you're the coach at IU, you can't have seasons like this. I do think he should get some level of credit for the past 2 seasons, regardless of whether the players were his or not. But be sure, Coach Woodson should, and will be on the hot seat not year.

[bucksfan2]

I'm good. I would prefer that he not be coaching this team, but it is what it is. The buy out is huge and the athletic department just paid a huge buyout for the football coach. This season isn't completely on Coach Woodson, but when you're the coach at IU, you can't have seasons like this. I do think he should get some level of credit for the past 2 seasons, regardless of whether the players were his or not. But be sure, Coach Woodson should, and will be on the hot seat not year.

Coming from an OSU fan here, but IU has been irrelevant for years now. While I always thought Tom Crean was an odd duck, he had them humming for a while. As an outsider, I feel like bring back Woodson for another year is just delaying the inevitable.