2023 Ohio State Buckeyes Football

[dubc47834]

The sky is falling in Columbus.

They may even get beat by Indiana next year!

[RedTeamGo!]

The graphic with the stacks of cash was a bit on the nose lol


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Haha I laughed out loud when I saw it. I don’t blame the kid at all. I would do the same thing.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don’t even care when they go to Miami or these non competitive schools for the money. Have fun with that. Has it ever worked out for that player?

[RedTeamGo!]

Now there’s smoke that Jeremiah Smith (number 1 recruit in the nation), Jordan Lyle, and McLellan are about to flip. OSU is imploding.

[GAC]

Haha no, can you just read what I said please. Washington or Oregon is getting in 100%.

It's like talking to Edith Bunker. He's only on here being divisive because it involves Ohio State. He purposely does this lol


Simple point: the winner of the Oregon-Washington game will finish above OSU in the Final Four thus it doesn’t impact them. Far more impactful are the Big12 and ACC championship games

We've already settled the above point how many times now that the winner of the PAC-12 game will finish above OSU. They're above OSU to begin with. D'uh. What happens to the loser? You keep avoiding this. One of them is going to drop. A loss by #3 or #5, coupled also with a #4 Florida State loss .... that's two losses by teams directly above #6 OSU ... makes it a possibility (that's all I've said) for OSU to get in. But if #7 Texas wins the B12 conference they should get the nod.

I'm done with this conversation.

Where's the Tylenol. LOL

[Sea Ray]

It's like talking to Edith Bunker. He's only on here being divisive because it involves Ohio State. He purposely does this lol



We've already settled the above point how many times now that the winner of the PAC-12 game will finish above OSU. They're above OSU to begin with. D'uh. What happens to the loser? You keep avoiding this. One of them is going to drop. A loss by #3 or #5, coupled also with a #4 Florida State loss .... that's two losses by teams directly above #6 OSU ... makes it a possibility (that's all I've said) for OSU to get in. But if #7 Texas wins the B12 conference they should get the nod.

I'm done with this conversation.

Where's the Tylenol. LOL

It has nothing to do with being for or against Ohio State. It's quite simple: The PAC12 game doesn't impact OSU at all... unless you feel a one loss Washington team would make it in the top 4. Is anyone arguing that? I don't think so.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee being ranked 21st in the country is there to prop up a team like Georgia. The Committee has done this since its existence. That way they can talk about team XYZ having so many top 25 wins.

The Committee has changed every year since its existence. That's quite the tin foil hat conspiracy theory you've got there

[GAC]

If Georgia, Louisville and Oklahoma St win then the teams that are in for sure are Georgia, Michigan and the winner of the PAC12 game. The 4th spot would be the Buckeyes.
If Oregon beats Washington and all the rest of that scenario happens there is a conversation about Washington and OSU for 4. That’s why it’s slightly better for OSU if Washington wins, but I think buckeyes make it either way in that scenario.

That's all I was saying LOL

[kaldaniels]

I do hope OSU upgrades from McCord someway, somehow.

Penix should be a great case study. Really good at IU but totally leveled up when dropped into the UW cockpit.

[Sea Ray]

Yes. I don't understand how you can't see that if the #4 and #5 teams lose, that doesn't help, or elevate #6 (which is OSU)?

I've already mentioned the possibility that the committee may jump #7 Texas over #6 Ohio State if it wins the B12 Championship.

OK, the conference championship games are now over and two teams above Ohio State did indeed lose, Georgia and Oregon. We'll see where the committee puts the teams tonight(?) but I think we will find that those teams losing did not help Ohio State in the least. I think OSU will still be no higher than 6th, behind Mich, Wash, FSU, Alabama and Texas(in no particular order). They may even push OSU to 7th behind Georgia.

[Sea Ray]

Let's talk Marvin Harrison Jr. Now that OSU is out of the CFP, will he opt out of the Buckeyes Bowl game and end his career in Columbus? Or will he go the other direction and not only play in the Bowl game but say "I love being in college...my Dad's a multimillionaire...I'm making good NIL money, I'm coming back next year"

I think it's likely to be the former but I don't follow the Buckeyes as much as you all do

[RedTeamGo!]

Let's talk Marvin Harrison Jr. Now that OSU is out of the CFP, will he opt out of the Buckeyes Bowl game and end his career in Columbus? Or will he go the other direction and not only play in the Bowl game but say "I love being in college...my Dad's a multimillionaire...I'm making good NIL money, I'm coming back next year"

I think it's likely to be the former but I don't follow the Buckeyes as much as you all do

It’s the former. His goal all along has been to be the best NFL WR. He loves OSU, but he’s going to move on. He hasn’t been preparing to be the best college WR, he’s been preparing to be the best NFL WR.

[Sea Ray]

It’s the former. His goal all along has been to be the best NFL WR. He loves OSU, but he’s going to move on. He hasn’t been preparing to be the best college WR, he’s been preparing to be the best NFL WR.

Is that going to really hurt OSU in their Bowl game or do they have a stable of guys ready to replace him?

[RedTeamGo!]

Is that going to really hurt OSU in their Bowl game or do they have a stable of guys ready to replace him?

They have a stable of guys, but who cares, it’s not a CFP game. I think OSU prefers players opt out if the bowl so they can get the younger guys more run.

[RiverRat13]

Bowl games are back to as what God intended - meaningless exhibition games designed to give Northern fan bases a chance to escape winter for a week.

[Hillsdale87]

Is that going to really hurt OSU in their Bowl game or do they have a stable of guys ready to replace him?

It'll hurt for sure, but I'm excited to see the young guys behind him. Like when they played Utah and Wilson and Olave sat out. The backups are elite 5*s. QB is not Stroud this time though.

If had to guess, Harrison, Egbuka, Stover, Henderson, and JTT sit it out. Of those guys, I think Egbuka has the best chance to come back because he had a down year with injuries and this WR class is loaded, but I'm guessing he will leave.


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[*BaseClogger*]

Denzel Burke will sit too.

[Hillsdale87]

Denzel Burke will sit too.

Yes, good call.

Anybody know when the bowl matchups are announced?


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[Hillsdale87]

Yes, good call.

Anybody know when the bowl matchups are announced?


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Well I got my answer quickly. OSU vs Missouri in the Cotton Bowl.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

Well I got my answer quickly. OSU vs Missouri in the Cotton Bowl.


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Yuck.

Honestly all the bowl matchups suck.

[Hillsdale87]

Yuck.

Honestly all the bowl matchups suck.

I'm not too upset with it. Missouri is pretty good. Should be a solid game depending on who all is playing.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm not too upset with it. Missouri is pretty good. Should be a solid game depending on who all is playing.


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Drive away from being the 1 seed and playing for a title and instead we play an exhibition game where every good player is gonna sit out against an opponent that quite frankly no one cares about.

Sure.

[Hillsdale87]

Drive away from being the 1 seed and playing for a title and instead we play an exhibition game where every good player is gonna sit out against an opponent that quite frankly no one cares about.

Sure.

Well sure I'd rather be in the playoff, but I've had 8 days to come to grips with us not being there. In terms of the available options, this is a decent game. Missouri is fun.


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[GAC]

What a joke of a draw. The committee said they dropped Florida State because of they're QB injury, and they wouldn't put up much of a game.

So they seed them against former #1 Georgia! LOL That ought to be a helluva game. I will not even watch Ohio State vs Missouri.

[BuckeyeRed27]

What a joke of a draw. The committee said they dropped Florida State because of they're QB injury, and they wouldn't put up much of a game.

So they seed them against former #1 Georgia! LOL That ought to be a helluva game. I will not even watch Ohio State vs Missouri.

The Orange Bowl was locked in. It’s the highest ACC team vs highest SEC or Big Ten not on the playoffs. It had to be FSU Georgia.

[Hillsdale87]

What a joke of a draw. The committee said they dropped Florida State because of they're QB injury, and they wouldn't put up much of a game.

So they seed them against former #1 Georgia! LOL That ought to be a helluva game. I will not even watch Ohio State vs Missouri.

I'll watch OSU-Missouri. Like the Utah game, imooking forward to watching the next generation


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[BuckeyeRed27]

I'll watch OSU-Missouri. Like the Utah game, imooking forward to watching the next generation


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I’m absolutely watching. Heck I was considering going to the orange bowl, because Miami in December is better than Cleveland. Just a let down, hard to get excited.

[kaldaniels]

It’s late but there’s some smoke out there that McCord is hitting the portal. Will assess tomorrow.

Edit - it appears to be a tiny waft of smoke on Bucknuts so I doubt it is anything. But the thats the last thing I needed to digest before trying to sleep.

[RedTeamGo!]

It’s late but there’s some smoke out there that McCord is hitting the portal. Will assess tomorrow.

Edit - it appears to be a tiny waft of smoke on Bucknuts so I doubt it is anything. But the thats the last thing I needed to digest before trying to sleep.

The only smoke coming from Bucknuts is whatever those dudes are smoking. I don’t buy any rumors that come from that site.

I see no reason why McCord would enter the portal right now unless OSU already has a QB coming in and they told Kyle. I highly doubt they told him “there’s no way you will start next year”

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It’s late but there’s some smoke out there that McCord is hitting the portal. Will assess tomorrow.

Edit - it appears to be a tiny waft of smoke on Bucknuts so I doubt it is anything. But the thats the last thing I needed to digest before trying to sleep.

The only smoke coming from Bucknuts is whatever those dudes are smoking. I don’t buy any rumors that come from that site.

I see no reason why McCord would enter the portal right now unless OSU already has a QB coming in and they told Kyle. I highly doubt they told him “there’s no way you will start next year”

[kaldaniels]

The only smoke coming from Bucknuts is whatever those dudes are smoking. I don’t buy any rumors that come from that site.

I see no reason why McCord would enter the portal right now unless OSU already has a QB coming in and they told Kyle. I highly doubt they told him “there’s no way you will start next year”

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The only smoke coming from Bucknuts is whatever those dudes are smoking. I don’t buy any rumors that come from that site.

I see no reason why McCord would enter the portal right now unless OSU already has a QB coming in and they told Kyle. I highly doubt they told him “there’s no way you will start next year”

Can’t blame a guy here for getting excited can you?

[GAC]

I'll watch OSU-Missouri. Like the Utah game, imooking forward to watching the next generation

I'm not trying to slight Missouri. I've watched them this year. Good team. I won't watch it if players, going into the draft, start announcing they'll sit it out.

[GAC]

I'll watch OSU-Missouri. Like the Utah game, imooking forward to watching the next generation


If had to guess, Harrison, Egbuka, Stover, Henderson, and JTT sit it out. Of those guys, I think Egbuka has the best chance to come back because he had a down year with injuries and this WR class is loaded, but I'm guessing he will leave.

I'm not trying to slight Missouri. I've watched them this year. Good team. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the game even if all the above started (lol). The Buckeyes have a terrible record vs the SEC. But this team only lost by 1 to Georgia last year.

I won't watch it if players, going into the draft, start announcing they'll sit it out. Bowl games use to mean something. It was an honor to be chosen to play in a Bowl game. Of course there wasn't 40 of them then (lol). They took it more seriously because it was conference vs conference, and you wanted to show who was the better, flex your muscles.

Sure. I can understand if you're an alumni/fan you look forward to a Winter "Spring Break" party at the Whatever Bowl. I'm retired, and I don't start watching bowl games until almost New Years (lol).

The CFP matchups I definitely look forward too. They got it right IMO. I just feel sorry for Florida State. They were in the top 5 all season. Yeah, they lost their QB, then their backup went into concussion protocol. So what? They faced that adversity and continued to win vs ranked opponents. I didn't think they would. But because committee members felt they wouldn't put on an offensive display like a majority of these games are, and their stout defense might make for a boring game I guess.

I look forward to the play-off system. JMO, but I think a lot of these "elite" teams will get exposed in such a system. That they're just as human as the rest.

[Hillsdale87]

It’s late but there’s some smoke out there that McCord is hitting the portal. Will assess tomorrow.

Edit - it appears to be a tiny waft of smoke on Bucknuts so I doubt it is anything. But the thats the last thing I needed to digest before trying to sleep.

Apparently more than just smoke. McCord is in the portal. That's a pretty shocking start to the offseason.

https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1731636028845219881?s=46


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[Hillsdale87]

For those who thought McCord was fine for a first year starter, Ryan Day clearly disagreed with you.

Now I'm curious what the plan is. I assume they have a transfer lined up because I can't imagine him telling McCord he was not starting next year over the guys currently on the roster, or else why wouldn't he have been replaced during the season?


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[Roy Tucker]

Apparently more than just smoke. McCord is in the portal. That's a pretty shocking start to the offseason.

https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1731636028845219881?s=46


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I’m kinda shocked actually. Maybe he realizes he’s in just a smidge over his head.

That bowl game is going to be like an NFL preseason game.

[Sea Ray]

SEC is out with:
Bama win
Texas win
Florida St win
Washington win
Michigan win

Playoff is Michigan, Washington, Texas, FSU

Same scenario above with an Oregon win instead creates a Oregon /Bama discussion that I think Oregon wins.

You were dead wrong. You overrated FSU’s chances over and over again. What’s so incredible is that you were so sure of yourself too. Try to be a little more humble next time


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[RiverRat13]

Wouldn't blame Kyle if he tipped off a family member or two to bet on Missouri before announcing he was leaving. That line should be dropping now.

[RedTeamGo!]

Apparently more than just smoke. McCord is in the portal. That's a pretty shocking start to the offseason.

https://x.com/mzenitz/status/1731636028845219881?s=46


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Holy crap I am shocked. I thought maybe in the spring portal, but wow.

They have to be going after Riley Leonard or Cam Ward.

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Wouldn't blame Kyle if he tipped off a family member or two to bet on Missouri before announcing he was leaving. That line should be dropping now.

I bet the line barely moves.

[Hillsdale87]

Holy crap I am shocked. I thought maybe in the spring portal, but wow.

They have to be going after Riley Leonard or Cam Ward.

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I bet the line barely moves.

I'm shocked it happened this quickly too, but Day is clearly being very aggressive. It's similar to when Michigan made the playoff with McNamara and then moved on to McCarthy. It's a tough decision, but a good coach needs to be willing to be ruthless. Worked out well for Michigan, and hopefully does for OSU too.

And agreed, I don't think it'll change the line much. I'd expect Brown to perform similarly. It's going to be a real punch in the gut if Brown comes out and looks incredible.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

You were dead wrong. You overrated FSU’s chances over and over again. What’s so incredible is that you were so sure of yourself too. Try to be a little more humble next time


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There you go again telling me how to post. When are you gonna learn that I do not give a single crap about you. I think you are a bad person. Go away.

[BuckeyeRed27]

For those who thought McCord was fine for a first year starter, Ryan Day clearly disagreed with you.

Now I'm curious what the plan is. I assume they have a transfer lined up because I can't imagine him telling McCord he was not starting next year over the guys currently on the roster, or else why wouldn't he have been replaced during the season?


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Man I would LOVE to know the real story here and I doubt we will ever get it.

Almost has to be a transfer right? He’s not leaving just because Day told him he still had to compete for the job. He could have left in the spring if he thought he was gonna lose it. I’m sure Day probably likes Brown/Noland/Keinholz but he would have played them more this year if he was gonna move on from McCord right? I just don’t know who the transfer is gonna be. Ward Is good, but he’s not like Justin Fields good. Be interesting to see how this goes.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am so excited about this, I was dreading having to watch McCord underthrow balls and never hit WRs in stride for another year.

I am sure Kyle is a good guy, but good riddance, hope he tears it up at Pitt.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I am so excited about this, I was dreading having to watch McCord underthrow balls and never hit WRs in stride for another year.

I am sure Kyle is a good guy, but good riddance, hope he tears it up at Pitt.

I’ll be excited when I see what happens. I’m not super excited about Devin Brown or Lincoln Kienholtz coming in and just having a first year starter with little experience again. Gotta go to Oregon and Penn St next year.

[Sea Ray]

There you go again telling me how to post. When are you gonna learn that I do not give a single crap about you. I think you are a bad person. Go away.

Post however you want but if you're going to come on so strong with your opinions and they turn out to be dead wrong, expect to get called out on them

[BuckeyeRed27]

Post however you want but if you're going to come on so strong with your opinions and they turn out to be dead wrong, expect to get called out on them

Ok. I’ve posted about 30 times in the other thread about FSU and the committee and my thoughts on it. If you’d like to discuss something go pick one of those. If you want to be a dick like usual, go ahead, but I’m not gonna respond to you on that path.

[Hillsdale87]

Man I would LOVE to know the real story here and I doubt we will ever get it.

Almost has to be a transfer right? He’s not leaving just because Day told him he still had to compete for the job. He could have left in the spring if he thought he was gonna lose it. I’m sure Day probably likes Brown/Noland/Keinholz but he would have played them more this year if he was gonna move on from McCord right? I just don’t know who the transfer is gonna be. Ward Is good, but he’s not like Justin Fields good. Be interesting to see how this goes.

Well we will know what happened if they sign a transfer soon. Dillon Gabriel just entered the portal, and that would be a clear upgrade.

But agreed that it would be hard to understand if they don't already have a transfer lined up. If he thought Brown was ready, he would have played him earlier in the season before his inury. And he can't be planning on Noland being ready to go as a true freshman.

Does anybody know when you can start signing transfer guys? Might be a huge bowl game for Devin Brown.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

Well we will know what happened if they sign a transfer soon. Dillon Gabriel just entered the portal, and that would be a clear upgrade.

But agreed that it would be hard to understand if they don't already have a transfer lined up. If he thought Brown was ready, he would have played him earlier in the season before his inury. And he can't be planning on Noland being ready to go as a true freshman.

Does anybody know when you can start signing transfer guys? Might be a huge bowl game for Devin Brown.


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Ohhhh sign me up for Gabriel!

I thought transfers couldn’t play in bowl games since they happen in the same semester as the season, but that might be an old rule?

[Hillsdale87]

Ohhhh sign me up for Gabriel!

I thought transfers couldn’t play in bowl games since they happen in the same semester as the season, but that might be an old rule?

I wasn't thinking about a transfer to play in the bowl game. But I wonder if Brown could get Day to rethink a transfer option if he goes for 300 and 4 TDs in the bowl game.

But that might be moot if you can sign transfers before the bowl game. I have no clue, maybe transfers sign on national signing day like high school recruits.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Dillon Gabriel one year bridge to Noland

[Sea Ray]

Ok. I’ve posted about 30 times in the other thread about FSU and the committee and my thoughts on it. If you’d like to discuss something go pick one of those. If you want to be a dick like usual, go ahead, but I’m not gonna respond to you on that path.

Oh yeah, I've done exactly that. I'll let you defend your thoughts in that thread. This isn't about me being mean to you. This is about you making false statements as fact. Expect those statements to come back and bite you

[BuckeyeRed27]

Dillon Gabriel one year bridge to Noland

Gabriel is perfect. Started 50 games. Thrown for almost 15k yards and 125 TDs and can run a little bit. Only has a year of eligibility so doesn’t mess up the QB room. Plus if he’s leaving OU with a year left, he’s ring hunting right? Gotta imagine his list is pretty short and our QB just mysteriously left. Release the NIL! Let’s go!

[bucksfan2]

Well we will know what happened if they sign a transfer soon. Dillon Gabriel just entered the portal, and that would be a clear upgrade.

But agreed that it would be hard to understand if they don't already have a transfer lined up. If he thought Brown was ready, he would have played him earlier in the season before his inury. And he can't be planning on Noland being ready to go as a true freshman.

Does anybody know when you can start signing transfer guys? Might be a huge bowl game for Devin Brown.


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Brown was hurt in the spring, which put him behind and led the battle to last to fall camp. McCord was playing OK enough to hold down the spot early in the year. The comeback win against ND led many to expect him to take off after that.

I also think Brown's ankle injury midway through the season really hurt because he wasn't able to get any mop up playing time minutes. There was a stretch in the season where a healthy Brown was going to get half a game to play. But he was unavailable for that.

I saw Beau Bishop say something that the staff is really high on Keinholtz. As a prospect he intrigues me, but the reality was, he enrolled in the summer, and didn't get a spring camp. That pretty much wrote him off for this season.

I am interested to see what happens with the QB position. You hear guys like Leonard, Ward, and Gabriel, are the upgrades? If you bring one of those guys in, you are ushering out Brown, and then resetting in 2025 with another first year QB.

When Day has gone to the portal, most times its been for depth or an immediate upgrade. There isn't a Fields in the portal, however, if you see OSU has an open QB spot, I wonder if someone is going to enter now with that as their destination.

[Phoenix2]

This is going to be interesting and is why Day gets paid the big bucks. They just couldn't go back into the Michigan game next year with the Day/McCord combo.

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I'm not trying to slight Missouri. I've watched them this year. Good team. I won't watch it if players, going into the draft, start announcing they'll sit it out.

That honestly makes me more inclined to watch.

[Hillsdale87]

Brown was hurt in the spring, which put him behind and led the battle to last to fall camp. McCord was playing OK enough to hold down the spot early in the year. The comeback win against ND led many to expect him to take off after that.

I also think Brown's ankle injury midway through the season really hurt because he wasn't able to get any mop up playing time minutes. There was a stretch in the season where a healthy Brown was going to get half a game to play. But he was unavailable for that.

I saw Beau Bishop say something that the staff is really high on Keinholtz. As a prospect he intrigues me, but the reality was, he enrolled in the summer, and didn't get a spring camp. That pretty much wrote him off for this season.

I am interested to see what happens with the QB position. You hear guys like Leonard, Ward, and Gabriel, are the upgrades? If you bring one of those guys in, you are ushering out Brown, and then resetting in 2025 with another first year QB.

When Day has gone to the portal, most times its been for depth or an immediate upgrade. There isn't a Fields in the portal, however, if you see OSU has an open QB spot, I wonder if someone is going to enter now with that as their destination.

Yes, losing Brown is the risk if you bring in a guy like Gabriel. But Day is feeling the heat and is probably more focused on next season than the long term.

If they go after somebody like Dante Moore, you potentially lose the whole room, which is why I don't expect that to happen.


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[*BaseClogger*]

Plus Dante Moore sucked last year under Chip Kelly, Day's mentor.

[RedTeamGo!]

Julian Fleming entered the portal a moment ago

Yessssss, I am so happy this morning. Next year gonna be lit.

WR rotation of Tate, Smith, Innis, and Rodgers. Yes please!!!!

****assuming Smith doesn't flip to FSU or Miami lol

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Get me Dillon Gabriel

[BuckeyeRed27]

Basically all the 2nd and 3rd guys that haven’t and weren’t cracking the rotation are out.

Fleming should move on, needs to go a pass offense where he will be the 1 or 2 option and see if he can get to the league. Obviously didn’t pan out here the way we hoped, but he also fought through lot of injuries and did a lot of the WR dirty work stuff really well. Always like having guys like that on the team.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am so glad Fleming and McCord are gone. This is like Christmas morning to me.

[bucksfan2]

Basically all the 2nd and 3rd guys that haven’t and weren’t cracking the rotation are out.

Fleming should move on, needs to go a pass offense where he will be the 1 or 2 option and see if he can get to the league. Obviously didn’t pan out here the way we hoped, but he also fought through lot of injuries and did a lot of the WR dirty work stuff really well. Always like having guys like that on the team.

Fleming is going to be a guy who will get drafted and have a pretty nice NFL career. He does all the little things coaches love. I think at one point this season according to PFF he was OSU's highest rated blocker.

Most of the guys entering the Portal are depth pieces, probably easily replaceable. Guys who should enter the portal. The one surprise for me is Jayaire Brown who I thought would be in the two deep next season.

[RedTeamGo!]

Fleming is going to be a guy who will get drafted and have a pretty nice NFL career. He does all the little things coaches love. I think at one point this season according to PFF he was OSU's highest rated blocker.

Most of the guys entering the Portal are depth pieces, probably easily replaceable. Guys who should enter the portal. The one surprise for me is Jayaire Brown who I thought would be in the two deep next season.

Brown got passed up by a bunch of freshman and they have 3 very talented CBs coming in with the next class. I think He saw the writing on the wall, time to transfer to UC or Kentucky. I think Aaron Scott is going to push for immediate playing time, that guy is uber talented.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Brown got passed up by a bunch of freshman and they have 3 very talented CBs coming in with the next class. I think He saw the writing on the wall, time to transfer to UC or Kentucky. I think Aaron Scott is going to push for immediate playing time, that guy is uber talented.

Yep as soon as matthews and CSH played, brown was gone.

Honestly I don’t view any of that as bad. I know we are still getting used to this player movement, but why should a guy like Brown (or any of the other 9 guys really) have to stay at OSU and not play. They came in, gave it their best shot, got coached, and it didn’t pan out. Now they can go wherever and play, good for them.

[bucksfan2]

Brown got passed up by a bunch of freshman and they have 3 very talented CBs coming in with the next class. I think He saw the writing on the wall, time to transfer to UC or Kentucky. I think Aaron Scott is going to push for immediate playing time, that guy is uber talented.

Freshman don't play unless they are forced to. Scott may get some run in the two deep, but I doubt he gets much meaningful PT.

There are a lot of guys who are transferring that it just never worked out or they got buried. It happens in big boy college football, and its getting even more prevalent now. I guess what I don't like about the portal is when it becomes a mercenary type of feel. I mean Dillion Gabriel came in the same class with Tua, and he is going to be transferring to his 3rd school. That's nuts. Don't get me wrong, if he comes to Columbus, I would root for him, it just kinda feels icky.

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Why couldn’t Fleming stick around and be WR1 and build his draft stock that way?

[RedTeamGo!]

Freshman don't play unless they are forced to. Scott may get some run in the two deep, but I doubt he gets much meaningful PT.


This just is not true anymore. Jermaine Mathews was a true freshman this year and when Burke missed a couple games he was first man up. The second that happened I knew Brown was gone.

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Yep as soon as matthews and CSH played, brown was gone.

Honestly I don’t view any of that as bad. I know we are still getting used to this player movement, but why should a guy like Brown (or any of the other 9 guys really) have to stay at OSU and not play. They came in, gave it their best shot, got coached, and it didn’t pan out. Now they can go wherever and play, good for them.

I think it’s good for OSU too. Frees up scholarships to get more experienced players from the portal. With OSU constantly churning from guys leaving early for the pros bringing in veteran transfers could be key.

[RedTeamGo!]

Why couldn’t Fleming stick around and be WR1 and build his draft stock that way?

Because he wouldn't be WR1. Tate, Innis, and Jeremiah Smith would all be over him next year. I think Day and Hartline probably sat him down and said "time to move on, thank you for your service" - Hartline recruits WRs to be in the program 3 years and move ont o the NFL. I was frankly shocked Fleming stayed this year.

[*BaseClogger*]

This just is not true anymore. Jermaine Mathews was a true freshman this year and when Burke missed a couple games he was first man up. The second that happened I knew Brown was gone.

He’s like the only true freshman who played. More exception than rule.

[RedTeamGo!]

He’s like the only true freshman who played. More exception than rule.

False. CSH played too. And Mailk Hartford at S. Hartford played in the Michigan game.

[bucksfan2]

False. CSH played too. And Mailk Hartford at S. Hartford played in the Michigan game.

Hartford played one play and got burned.

Freshmen really don't play key rolls, unless something goes wrong. Ideally Hartford isn't in that game, but because Ransom was hurt, he got a snap.

I think its time for Fleming to move on as well, want to see what happens with Ebuka, is he a sure thing to go pro? I think Smith pushes for a starting role and ends up playing more as the season goes along. For all the buzz Tate got, he didn't make much of an impact this season as a true freshman.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hartford played one play and got burned.

Freshmen really don't play key rolls, unless something goes wrong. Ideally Hartford isn't in that game, but because Ransom was hurt, he got a snap.

I think its time for Fleming to move on as well, want to see what happens with Ebuka, is he a sure thing to go pro? I think Smith pushes for a starting role and ends up playing more as the season goes along. For all the buzz Tate got, he didn't make much of an impact this season as a true freshman.

But either way, Jermaine Mathews played quite a bit and got a start when Burke went down.

[Hillsdale87]

Julian Fleming entered the portal a moment ago

Yessssss, I am so happy this morning. Next year gonna be lit.

WR rotation of Tate, Smith, Innis, and Rodgers. Yes please!!!!

****assuming Smith doesn't flip to FSU or Miami lol

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Get me Dillon Gabriel

I hope Fleming balls out next year. He always seemed like a great teammate. Came in as an elite recruit, it never worked out, but he played his role well. Great blocker.


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[Hillsdale87]

Hartford played one play and got burned.

Freshmen really don't play key rolls, unless something goes wrong. Ideally Hartford isn't in that game, but because Ransom was hurt, he got a snap.

I think its time for Fleming to move on as well, want to see what happens with Ebuka, is he a sure thing to go pro? I think Smith pushes for a starting role and ends up playing more as the season goes along. For all the buzz Tate got, he didn't make much of an impact this season as a true freshman.

Egbuka has an interesting decision to make. This is a really good WR class, and he's fallen down the rankings quite a bit due to injuries and mediocre QB play. He's definitely not a first round lock. Could come back and improve his stock or could just go and still likely be an early second round pick.


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[*BaseClogger*]

False. CSH played too. And Mailk Hartford at S. Hartford played in the Michigan game.

What I said is “false” because of “CSH” (I watch all the games and don’t know who this is) and a guy who played like a snap in the final game of the year?

[RedTeamGo!]

Egbuka has an interesting decision to make. This is a really good WR class, and he's fallen down the rankings quite a bit due to injuries and mediocre QB play. He's definitely not a first round lock. Could come back and improve his stock or could just go and still likely be an early second round pick.


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Egbuka could also transfer to Washington

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What I said is “false” because of “CSH” (I watch all the games and don’t know who this is) and a guy who played like a snap in the final game of the year?

Hartford played quite a bit this year, I was just sayin not only did he play he was in the rotation for the UM game (somewhat)

CSH is Cameron Simpson-Hunt. Big time recruit, he was playing quite a bit down the stretch in November.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow, and speak of the devil - Jermaine Mathews just deleted all the OSU stuff from his twitter profile and posted a gif that says "give me my money"

OSU is legit imploding if players like him start transferring out.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Wow, and speak of the devil - Jermaine Mathews just deleted all the OSU stuff from his twitter profile and posted a gif that says "give me my money"

OSU is legit imploding if players like him start transferring out.

He has seemed just be a bit of a social media game player with stuff like this. I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if he did ultimately not sign with OSU, but I think he legit likes messing with people.

[RedTeamGo!]

He has seemed just be a bit of a social media game player with stuff like this. I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if he did ultimately not sign with OSU, but I think he legit likes messing with people.

You are thinking of a different player. Jermaine Mathews is on the team now. Freshman CB. He was the guy that stepped in seamlessly when Burke was sidelined. This would be a massive loss if he transferred out.

[BuckeyeRed27]

You are thinking of a different player. Jermaine Mathews is on the team now. Freshman CB. He was the guy that stepped in seamlessly when Burke was sidelined. This would be a massive loss if he transferred out.

Oh right, I thought you were talking about Smith.

Yeah Mathews is a starter next year, so hopefully that’s not a thing.

[Hillsdale87]

The transfer portal and NIL is a disaster. Not that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer or make money. I'm glad they have more options now. But the fact that the NCAA has provided no leadership or rules, while not at all surprising considering their consistent incompetence, is ridiculous. Every offseason is free agency. Coaches have to spend tons of time re-recruiting their own rosters. It's stupid.

I don't know what the solution is, but there has to be something better than this. OSU is generally going to come out ahead because they have more resources, so it works to their advantage. But I still don't like it.


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[WVRed]

Gabriel is perfect. Started 50 games. Thrown for almost 15k yards and 125 TDs and can run a little bit. Only has a year of eligibility so doesn’t mess up the QB room. Plus if he’s leaving OU with a year left, he’s ring hunting right? Gotta imagine his list is pretty short and our QB just mysteriously left. Release the NIL! Let’s go!If I had a hunch I'd bet Gabriel will follow Jeff Lebby to Mississippi State unless Ohio State hands him a bunch of Monopoly money.

Based on what's out there id say Day has Cameron Ward lined up or everything is imploding in Columbus.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

If I had a hunch I'd bet Gabriel will follow Jeff Lebby to Mississippi State unless Ohio State hands him a bunch of Monopoly money.

Based on what's out there id say Day has Cameron Ward lined up or everything is imploding in Columbus.

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Does seem like some smoke around Ward to OSU.

Gabriel could get a lot of money to go to a contender. I get the OC thing, but why spend your last season going 6-6 at best?

[Hillsdale87]

Egbuka could also transfer to Washington


He could, but I'm not sure it makes sense to go to a new system for one year when your stock is already pretty high. Feels like more potential downside than upside, especially since Penix won't be back. Not that OSU's QB position is in a great place right now either...


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[Hillsdale87]

If I had a hunch I'd bet Gabriel will follow Jeff Lebby to Mississippi State unless Ohio State hands him a bunch of Monopoly money.

Based on what's out there id say Day has Cameron Ward lined up or everything is imploding in Columbus.

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The guys who cover OSU seem to think there's no way OSU is going after Cam Ward. I don't know what Gabriel will do, but it would seem like an odd choice to transfer to a worse school.


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[RedTeamGo!]

If I had a hunch I'd bet Gabriel will follow Jeff Lebby to Mississippi State unless Ohio State hands him a bunch of Monopoly money.

Based on what's out there id say Day has Cameron Ward lined up or everything is imploding in Columbus.

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The word on the street is that McCord and his dad (former Rutgers player) met with Day over the weekend and asked for assurances that there would not be a QB competition going into next year and that Kyle was locked in at QB1. Day refused to gurantee him QB1 and would not refuse they were looking at QBs in the portal.

If this is true, and it sounds like it is as it is being reported by Buckeye beat reporters, this is the most confident I have been in Day in some time. This is how Saban operates and I am here for it. Also sounds like Day and the staff have already been in contact with a couple QBs. Austin Ward, who is basically an unofficial PR arm of OSU football said Riley Leonard and Will Howard are being looked at.

[Hillsdale87]

The word on the street is that McCord and his dad (former Rutgers player) met with Day over the weekend and asked for assurances that there would not be a QB competition going into next year and that Kyle was locked in at QB1. Day refused to gurantee him QB1 and would not refuse they were looking at QBs in the portal.

If this is true, and it sounds like it is as it is being reported by Buckeye beat reporters, this is the most confident I have been in Day in some time. This is how Saban operates and I am here for it. Also sounds like Day and the staff have already been in contact with a couple QBs. Austin Ward, who is basically an unofficial PR arm of OSU football said Riley Leonard and Will Howard are being looked at.

If true, good riddance to McCord. If you need to go to the coach and ask for assurances that you'll be the starter next year, that means you know you're not good enough.

Riley Leonard would be fun. I didn't watch much KSU, but Howard's accuracy numbers aren't very good. He also wasn't playing in Day's offense with OSU WRs, so who knows. There's a lot riding on this for Day, so I trust him to make a good decision here.


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[*BaseClogger*]

Hartford played quite a bit this year, I was just sayin not only did he play he was in the rotation for the UM game (somewhat)

CSH is Cameron Simpson-Hunt. Big time recruit, he was playing quite a bit down the stretch in November.

Here's the 11W freshman tracker. I don't really follow recruiting and I'm unsurprised I don't recognize a guy who made 2 tackles.

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[bucksfan2]

If true, good riddance to McCord. If you need to go to the coach and ask for assurances that you'll be the starter next year, that means you know you're not good enough.

Riley Leonard would be fun. I didn't watch much KSU, but Howard's accuracy numbers aren't very good. He also wasn't playing in Day's offense with OSU WRs, so who knows. There's a lot riding on this for Day, so I trust him to make a good decision here.


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I think Day owes it to all the QB's in the room about their status. And I get why McCord and family would want to know. If McCord through there were lingering questions then it would show some concern that he wasn't the guy or his play wasn't up to snuff.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Here's the 11W freshman tracker. I don't really follow recruiting and I'm unsurprised I don't recognize a guy who made 2 tackles.

20626

He wasn’t an early enrollee so it took him a little bit of time to get going, but did get some rotation later in the year. I would say he’s a guy that has a lot of momentum going into 24 with his recruiting status and how he was being talked about late season.

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If true, good riddance to McCord. If you need to go to the coach and ask for assurances that you'll be the starter next year, that means you know you're not good enough.

Riley Leonard would be fun. I didn't watch much KSU, but Howard's accuracy numbers aren't very good. He also wasn't playing in Day's offense with OSU WRs, so who knows. There's a lot riding on this for Day, so I trust him to make a good decision here.


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Yeah, if that story is true, which I would say is a big if, but if than good bye.

You want assurances? Play better. Stroud and Fields didn’t have to have a meeting with their dad to ask Day if he was gonna start next year.

[RedTeamGo!]

Here's the 11W freshman tracker. I don't really follow recruiting and I'm unsurprised I don't recognize a guy who made 2 tackles.

20626

He's a CB, they don't get generally get a lot of tackles...the last month he was in the rotation, just take my word for it.

[KoryMac5]

I always love the word on the street source…

Writing was on the wall once Day wouldn’t commit to McCord…relationships matter and that one looked pretty fractured at the end of the year. Might be best for all parties. I do think this puts Day firmly on the hot seat…if you give up on a 5 star guy and bring in someone to better fit your system you better choose wisely.

[RiverRat13]

I bet the line barely moves.

Down from -6.5 to -2.5. McCord isn't great, but he's better enough compared to the rest of the current roster to move the needle.

[WVRed]

I always love the word on the street source…

Writing was on the wall once Day wouldn’t commit to McCord…relationships matter and that one looked pretty fractured at the end of the year. Might be best for all parties. I do think this puts Day firmly on the hot seat…if you give up on a 5 star guy and bring in someone to better fit your system you better choose wisely.What I'm curious to see is how committed Day is to Ohio State.

I really think he will be a candidate if Belichick leaves or gets fired by the Patriots. He's from the New England area and has coached in the NFL before. If things keep blowing up there might be a lot more smoke to it.

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[RedTeamGo!]

I always love the word on the street source…

Writing was on the wall once Day wouldn’t commit to McCord…relationships matter and that one looked pretty fractured at the end of the year. Might be best for all parties. I do think this puts Day firmly on the hot seat…if you give up on a 5 star guy and bring in someone to better fit your system you better choose wisely.

Jettisoning a mediocre QB puts him on the hot seat? What?

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What I'm curious to see is how committed Day is to Ohio State.

I really think he will be a candidate if Belichick leaves or gets fired by the Patriots. He's from the New England area and has coached in the NFL before. If things keep blowing up there might be a lot more smoke to it.

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You have literally been saying Day is gone for like 4 years lol

[WVRed]

Jettisoning a mediocre QB puts him on the hot seat? What?

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You have literally been saying Day is gone for like 4 years lolProbably since he lost to Michigan three years ago.

Patriots is probably the only job in the NFL that I think Day would take to leave Columbus.

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[Hillsdale87]

Probably since he lost to Michigan three years ago.

Patriots is probably the only job in the NFL that I think Day would take to leave Columbus.

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With the run of disasters we've seen from college coaches going to the NFL, I don't know why any owner would hire a guy from college.


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[Assembly Hall]

With the run of disasters we've seen from college coaches going to the NFL, I don't know why any owner would hire a guy from college.


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Is that you Urban Meyer?

[GAC]

I'm not as keen on the regulations guiding this transfer portal. Like Hillsdale, I'm not the biggest fan on how they've set the system up.

Question? A player enters the transfer portal that allows other schools to contact them, visit campus, and possibly offer them a scholarship. While it may seem pretty unlikely, what happens if that doesn't occur? No school sends an invite? Do they then become a player/student without a school?

I also wouldn't be surprised if McCord was getting some harsh treatment from a very demanding Buckeye fanbase, that may have also included some threats after the Michigan game. This game is so hyped, and the media plays it up like it's the greatest rivalry that human history has ever experienced. LOL

Has soon-to-be sophomore QB Lincoln Kienholz been discussed? What is his situation? Isn't he a dual-threat QB?

RB Miyan Williams entering NFL draft ....

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/football/ohio-state-football/ohio-state-miyan-williams-plans-to-enter-the-nfl-draft/530-96758a23-ac6e-4427-9e01-9f597547a3c5

[WVRed]

I'm not as keen on the regulations guiding this transfer portal. Like Hillsdale, I'm not the biggest fan on how they've set the system up.

Question? A player enters the transfer portal that allows other schools to contact them, visit campus, and possibly offer them a scholarship. While it may seem pretty unlikely, what happens if that doesn't occur? No school sends an invite? Do they then become a player/student without a school?

I also wouldn't be surprised if McCord was getting some harsh treatment from a very demanding Buckeye fanbase, that may have also included some threats after the Michigan game. This game is so hyped, and the media plays it up like it's the greatest rivalry that human history has ever experienced. LOL

Has soon-to-be sophomore QB Lincoln Kienholz been discussed? What is his situation? Isn't he a dual-threat QB?

RB Miyan Williams entering NFL draft ....

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/football/ohio-state-football/ohio-state-miyan-williams-plans-to-enter-the-nfl-draft/530-96758a23-ac6e-4427-9e01-9f597547a3c5I was thinking the same thing just wanted an OSU fan to actually say it first.

I read somewhere that DT recruit who flipped to Miami fans were suggesting money and women were why he flipped and it had rubbed Jeremiah Smith the wrong way basically expecting him to flip as well.

I can't say anything because Kentucky fans have village idiots too in basketball. Comes with the territory.

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[RedTeamGo!]

I'm not as keen on the regulations guiding this transfer portal. Like Hillsdale, I'm not the biggest fan on how they've set the system up.

Question? A player enters the transfer portal that allows other schools to contact them, visit campus, and possibly offer them a scholarship. While it may seem pretty unlikely, what happens if that doesn't occur? No school sends an invite? Do they then become a player/student without a school?

I also wouldn't be surprised if McCord was getting some harsh treatment from a very demanding Buckeye fanbase, that may have also included some threats after the Michigan game. This game is so hyped, and the media plays it up like it's the greatest rivalry that human history has ever experienced. LOL

Has soon-to-be sophomore QB Lincoln Kienholz been discussed? What is his situation? Isn't he a dual-threat QB?

RB Miyan Williams entering NFL draft ....

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/football/ohio-state-football/ohio-state-miyan-williams-plans-to-enter-the-nfl-draft/530-96758a23-ac6e-4427-9e01-9f597547a3c5

1 - if a player enters the tranfer portal and nobody picks them up they are screwed. Happens to 100s of players every year.

2. Sounds like McCord and his dad asked for a guarantee he would have the starting job going into next season and Day said no. McCord's dad played at Rutgers so they hopped in portal and McCord and his dad have already scheduled a meeting with Greg Schiano

3. Lincoln Keinholz was a late enrollee. He wanted to play baseball his senior year, which hell yeah kid, but as a result he was way behind the 8 ball coming into this season. All reports from players and coaches is that he is legit. I think if they don't get the QB they want - Cam Ward - he will be the starter next year. However, he needs to add about 20 lbs of muscle.

4. Miyan Williams has had so many injuries I think declaring for the NFL draft was another way of saying "I am retiring from college football"

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I was thinking the same thing just wanted an OSU fan to actually say it first.

I read somewhere that DT recruit who flipped to Miami fans were suggesting money and women were why he flipped and it had rubbed Jeremiah Smith the wrong way basically expecting him to flip as well.

I can't say anything because Kentucky fans have village idiots too in basketball. Comes with the territory.

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The DT that flipped to Miami literally posted a graphic announcing he was flipped to Miami with a pile of cash next to him. Not an exaggeration. What else are people supposed to take from that?

As for Smith - if he flips it has absolutely nothing to do with that DT and how a couple fans replied to him on twitter. That is nonsense. it will be because he gets a huge bag that he cannot say no to.

[RedTeamGo!]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAI-6azakAAuIP-?format=jpg&name=small

Yes, this flip was absolutely about academics.

To be clear, I do not blame the kid at all - I would do the same thing.

[Hillsdale87]

I wonder if the Evan Pryor transfer means Henderson is coming back. Maybe just wishful thinking, but Miyan is gone. If Henderson goes pro, you'd think there would be good opportunity for Pryor.


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[RedTeamGo!]

I wonder if the Evan Pryor transfer means Henderson is coming back. Maybe just wishful thinking, but Miyan is gone. If Henderson goes pro, you'd think there would be good opportunity for Pryor.


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Sounds like Pryor never regained his step after his brutal injury and this was a "thanks for your service but gonna need you to leave" transfer. OSU is going to need a ton of opened scholarships for both incoming recruits and transfers. What you saw yesterday was the program cleaning house. There has been some smoke that Henderson is coming back. Bobby Carpenter said yesterday he heard a lot of the juniors didn't get very good draft ratings and are thinking about coming back - "players you wouldn't have expected" - like Egbuka, Henderson, JTT. We shall see.

[jwdoc77]

I wonder if the Evan Pryor transfer means Henderson is coming back. Maybe just wishful thinking, but Miyan is gone. If Henderson goes pro, you'd think there would be good opportunity for Pryor.


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Everybody is sleeping on Dallen Hayden…but he’s produced when he’s gotten the touches. Don’t think he is the home run hitter that someone like Henderson is…but I’d bet he’s a solid piece when he gets his opportunity.


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[bucksfan2]

1 - if a player enters the tranfer portal and nobody picks them up they are screwed. Happens to 100s of players every year.

2. Sounds like McCord and his dad asked for a guarantee he would have the starting job going into next season and Day said no. McCord's dad played at Rutgers so they hopped in portal and McCord and his dad have already scheduled a meeting with Greg Schiano

3. Lincoln Keinholz was a late enrollee. He wanted to play baseball his senior year, which hell yeah kid, but as a result he was way behind the 8 ball coming into this season. All reports from players and coaches is that he is legit. I think if they don't get the QB they want - Cam Ward - he will be the starter next year. However, he needs to add about 20 lbs of muscle.

4. Miyan Williams has had so many injuries I think declaring for the NFL draft was another way of saying "I am retiring from college football"

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The DT that flipped to Miami literally posted a graphic announcing he was flipped to Miami with a pile of cash next to him. Not an exaggeration. What else are people supposed to take from that?

As for Smith - if he flips it has absolutely nothing to do with that DT and how a couple fans replied to him on twitter. That is nonsense. it will be because he gets a huge bag that he cannot say no to.

I don't necessarily blame a kid for taking a bag o cash in choosing schools. I guess you have to start somewhere, but Miami has been a dumpster fire for years now. You take your bag o cash, play in front of an empty stadium, and play in the Cheez-IT bowl have at it. FWIW I had heard OSU opened up the NIL for this kid as well, Miami must have really upped the ante and according to Birm it caught OSU flatfooted.

1. The portal is a disaster for some kids, its unfortunate, but its the reality of the what has been created.

2. McCord's biggest issue this year was he never took that step forward. Maybe a change of scenery is what is needed, but going to Rutgers isn't ideal. Yea his dad played there, and yea Schiano has things looking better, but just spending bowl practice and spring ball in Columbus would probably get him better tutelage than bolting now. Oh well, best of luck to him, he never did anything wrong at OSU. Maybe just wasn't that good.

3. Keinholtz always intrigued me. Guy is a stud athlete playing multiple sports. I am sure the competition on South Dakota isn't the best, which may have set him back a tad, and enrolling in the Summer put him back as well. It made sense as he wasn't expected to do anything this year.

4. Miyan Williams body probably can't take another year of college ball. Makes sense for him to try and bolt to the league and try and make it. Guy was a fringe OSU type of player who made a nice career for himself at OSU. He had some big runs in his career at OSU, and made a big impact at times. Best of luck to him.

I did see something from Nathan Baird that Devin Brown had pulled ahead of McCord at one point in the spring. I hadn't heard that before. Brown (if healthy) has a massive opportunity ahead of himself as he will be getting the starter reps in bowl practice.

I wonder this, OSU opened up with IU, had one cupcake, and then ND. They pretty much had to hit the ground running with the starting QB, had they opened up with two cupcake games prior to ND, Brown probably would have gotten more run. Don't get me wrong, IU is no world beater, but opening up with a conference foe isn't ideal when you are breaking in a new QB.

[Hillsdale87]

Everybody is sleeping on Dallen Hayden…but he’s produced when he’s gotten the touches. Don’t think he is the home run hitter that someone like Henderson is…but I’d bet he’s a solid piece when he gets his opportunity.


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Oh I agree. I like Hayden a lot and think he'd be good next year as the full time starter if that's what happens. Was more just saying that it seemed like Pryor finally had a path to some playing time.


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[Hillsdale87]

Bobby Carpenter said yesterday he heard a lot of the juniors didn't get very good draft ratings and are thinking about coming back - "players you wouldn't have expected" - like Egbuka, Henderson, JTT. We shall see.

Would be great if true. While there's a ton of WR talent, it would be nice to break in a new QB with an established veteran. Same at RB.

One of Sawyer or JTT coming back would be huge. The DE depth is not great.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Would be great if true. While there's a ton of WR talent, it would be nice to break in a new QB with an established veteran. Same at RB.

One of Sawyer or JTT coming back would be huge. The DE depth is not great.


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I think Sawyer is definitely coming back. JTT is the question mark. I don't know - I would be OK with him moving on, he didn't get to the QB. We have two DE's that don't get to the QB. We need 1 that just pins his ears back and rushes the QB.

[GAC]

Read an interesting article earlier that brought up that if Florida State was so unimpressive without their QB, then why were they ranked higher than Georgia, Ohio State, and Oregon?

[RedTeamGo!]

Read an interesting article earlier that brought up that if Florida State was so unimpressive without their QB, then why were they rank higher than Georgia, Ohio State, and Oregon?

They won their conference championship and those other teams did not.

[oregonred]

Read an interesting article earlier that brought up that if Florida State was so unimpressive without their QB, then why were they rank higher than Georgia, Ohio State, and Oregon?

Cause ESPN set the CFP schedule. It makes zero sense that if you put FSU conveniently below Texas and Alabama that they could possibly be ahead of 1-loss Georgia (29 straight wins and losing a 3pt conference champ game to the CFB coaching GOAT) and OSU (losing to #1 on the road by one possesion)

If Best 4 teams per vegas then it should be GA, UM, Bama and OSU or Texas
If Most 4 deserving teams the order should be UM*, UW, FSU and Texas

[GAC]

They won their conference championship and those other teams did not.

I can understand that. But they didn't do them any favors ranking them there which pits them vs Georgia. FSU's defense is good. But not when you're on the field all the time (lol).

[RedTeamGo!]

Remember the name Jordan Lyle

Welp, forget the name Jordan Lyle. He is flipping to Miami.

I think Day has to consider firing Alford the RB Coach. He has been played by South Florida recruits like a dozen times. He didn't recruit Jordan Marshal because of this kid and then Marshall committed to Michigan. What a joke.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I can understand that. But they didn't do them any favors ranking them there which pits them vs Georgia. FSU's defense is good. But not when you're on the field all the time (lol).

They were going to play Georgia no matter what unless they were in the playoff. The highest rated ACC vs SEC or Big Ten team not in the playoff is the Orange Bowl this year. FSU was playing Georgia or OSU depending on who they ranked higher between those and they put Georgia higher. They weren’t putting FSU behind Louisville obviously so even if they put them 10th it was still the game.

[Hillsdale87]

Welp, forget the name Jordan Lyle. He is flipping to Miami.

I think Day has to consider firing Alford the RB Coach. He has been played by South Florida recruits like a dozen times. He didn't recruit Jordan Marshal because of this kid and then Marshall committed to Michigan. What a joke.

Kids can do whatever they want, but IMO choosing to play for Cristobal over Day is a very poor long term decision for a little better short term benefits.

Regarding Alford, with NIL it's tough to tell how much is on the recruiter and how much is just money. Miami seems to be throwing a ton of money around right now. If OSU can't match it, there's not much Alford can do.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

Kids can do whatever they want, but IMO choosing to play for Cristobal over Day is a very poor long term decision for a little better short term benefits.

Regarding Alford, with NIL it's tough to tell how much is on the recruiter and how much is just money. Miami seems to be throwing a ton of money around right now. If OSU can't match it, there's not much Alford can do.


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Yeah I said before with the other kid, I just don’t care if they take a bag from Miami or auburn or whatever. If it’s not Georgia, Bama, Michigan…then whatever. It obviously sucks to lose the talent, but with the way things go with recruiting and portal stuff, it’s just hard to get worked up. I also wonder if this has anything to do with the Henderson coming back rumors?

Alford has had a pretty decent amount of misses at this point. I do cut them some slack with the NIL stuff, but it’s not like he’s a new coach. I wouldn’t say the RB production has been bad since he’s been here, but it would be nice to not have this happen like basically every year. Maybe look at your strategy a little but if you lose a Florida RB every single December?

[RedTeamGo!]

Kids can do whatever they want, but IMO choosing to play for Cristobal over Day is a very poor long term decision for a little better short term benefits.

Regarding Alford, with NIL it's tough to tell how much is on the recruiter and how much is just money. Miami seems to be throwing a ton of money around right now. If OSU can't match it, there's not much Alford can do.


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I agree, but this is like the 6th year in a row Alford has gone all in on a South Florida RB, got the commit early in the cycle and then at the deadline the kid flips to Miami. Happened with Fletcher last year. Alford either needs to be told to stop going down to South Florida or be told to pack his bags.

[bucksfan2]

The OSU RB room isn't what it should be. It was good with Dobbins and a healthy Trey. The Trey/Pryor class was as good as Alford has done. But recently there have been too many misses. Bijan was apparently a silent commit, until he wasn't. They had multiple flips in the past two years from guys they counted on. Miyan and Chip are good players, I wouldn't exactly call them lead back OSU type of players. I still am not sold on Dallan Hayden, if you are good enough you play, Hayden was redshirted in his 2nd season at OSU.

Should Alford be fired, I don't know, he needs to step it up. If you know Miami is going to be coming with a "bag o money" then you have to factor that into your plan.

[RedTeamGo!]

The OSU RB room isn't what it should be. It was good with Dobbins and a healthy Trey. The Trey/Pryor class was as good as Alford has done. But recently there have been too many misses. Bijan was apparently a silent commit, until he wasn't. They had multiple flips in the past two years from guys they counted on. Miyan and Chip are good players, I wouldn't exactly call them lead back OSU type of players. I still am not sold on Dallan Hayden, if you are good enough you play, Hayden was redshirted in his 2nd season at OSU.

Should Alford be fired, I don't know, he needs to step it up. If you know Miami is going to be coming with a "bag o money" then you have to factor that into your plan.

And Dobbins wasn't even a Alford guy. Urban Meyer called Dobbins himself and offered him over the phone, Dobbins wanted to play for Urban so he committed without ever stepping foot on campus. Alford has one big win and it is Trey.

OSU should never lack a star RB.

[BuckeyeRed27]

And Dobbins wasn't even a Alford guy. Urban Meyer called Dobbins himself and offered him over the phone, Dobbins wanted to play for Urban so he committed without ever stepping foot on campus. Alford has one big win and it is Trey.

OSU should never lack a star RB.

Was he part of the Sermon transfer? That was a decent win.

[bucksfan2]

Was he part of the Sermon transfer? That was a decent win.

Sermon was weird. I think that was Alford, primarily because he miss Bijan. Sermon had a pretty poor season until late when he really turned it on.

OSU's RB room has been somewhat interesting. in the 19 season is was great with Dobbins, but after he left here was a hole. That prompted them to get Sermon and go with Teague as the backup. In 21 it was stocked up again with Trey/Pryor, but the whole Trey/Miyan/Teague thing really never worked itself out the best. Granted Trey was hurt, but OSU should have had someone better than Miyan to back him up. I mean they went into the Michigan game with a converted LB playing RB and a true freshman who was a 3* I believe.

I don't expect OSU to hit every year at RB. Its a position where a difference maker should step on the field and be able to contribute day one. They whiffed in last years class where you have expected to get a top tier back.

I get that most fans expectations of OSU are pretty lofty to say the least. And RB wasn't the issue this year, but it has been hit or miss over the past few years. FWIW had they a deeper RB class, they may beat GA last season.

When you are looking at areas to improve, RB and OLine have been two sports where they have whiffed or underdeveloped over the past few years.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Chip is in the portal.

That has to mean Henderson is coming back.

[Hillsdale87]

Chip is in the portal.

That has to mean Henderson is coming back.

He'd better be, or next year could be ugly


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[WVRed]

Chip is in the portal.

That has to mean Henderson is coming back.Saw Kentucky as a possibility. Our RB room is pretty empty right now.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

He'd better be, or next year could be ugly


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It starting to look like Marv, Burke and Williams will be the only early entries. Henderson coming back would be massive. Wait until he actually says it though, but there’s no way Chip is leaving if he was gonna be the starter.

[GAC]

The OSU RB room isn't what it should be. It was good with Dobbins and a healthy Trey. The Trey/Pryor class was as good as Alford has done. But recently there have been too many misses. Bijan was apparently a silent commit, until he wasn't. They had multiple flips in the past two years from guys they counted on. Miyan and Chip are good players, I wouldn't exactly call them lead back OSU type of players. I still am not sold on Dallan Hayden, if you are good enough you play, Hayden was redshirted in his 2nd season at OSU.

Should Alford be fired, I don't know, he needs to step it up. If you know Miami is going to be coming with a "bag o money" then you have to factor that into your plan.

The Buckeyes were 8th in the B10 in Rushing. Combine that with a QB that many say was inadequate for OSU, and it's a wonder they only lost one game IMO (and it was a close one).

[bucksfan2]

Chip has a weird trajectory. Probably should have been an OSU signee out of highschool, but he wanted to play RB and OSU saw him at LB. He goes to ASU, puts up some good numbers, then transfers to OSU to play LB. After the room is desiccated, switches back to RB, plays well against Michigan, and then is RB #2 this season.

I guess this means Trey is coming back, which good for OSU, interesting decision. If he stays healthy for an entire year, he is an electric RB. I think his issue is health, and probably is a later round draft pick this year. Makes sense for him to come back, especially if he is getting serious NIL money, but it adds another year of pounding to his body.

They will need to go portaling for another RB. Kinda a guy like Chip.

[WVRed]

Kentucky is being discussed as a possibility for Chip Trayanum. From what I can see he would be a better fit in Lexington with everyone leaving. If he stays healthy I could see him being a Benny Snell type with his downhill running game. We've already got QB figured out with Vandagriff.

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[*BaseClogger*]

At this point everyone is playing in the bowl game except Marv, JT, and Henderson. Those three have yet to make a decision.

[Hillsdale87]

To close the door on McCord... He's about to transfer to Syracuse, so most other college coaches saw him the same way I did. He was not fine for a first year QB. They had a full season of tape and determined he's a bottom tier Power 5 QB.

It's a bit funny to see how delusional the McCord family was that they thought they could get Day to guarantee him the starting job and then see him end up at Syracuse.


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[KoryMac5]

To close the door on McCord... He's about to transfer to Syracuse, so most other college coaches saw him the same way I did. He was not fine for a first year QB. They had a full season of tape and determined he's a bottom tier Power 5 QB.

It's a bit funny to see how delusional the McCord family was that they thought they could get Day to guarantee him the starting job and then see him end up at Syracuse.


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It's a nice get for Syracuse though...and a first year head coach in Fran Brown. McCord gets to be a bit closer to home and deal with a lot less pressure as Cuse is still a basketball school at heart. Perfect situation for him when Nebraska fell through.

I am about 45 mins from Cuse so I may take the drive out to see him.

[Assembly Hall]

To close the door on McCord... He's about to transfer to Syracuse, so most other college coaches saw him the same way I did. He was not fine for a first year QB. They had a full season of tape and determined he's a bottom tier Power 5 QB.

It's a bit funny to see how delusional the McCord family was that they thought they could get Day to guarantee him the starting job and then see him end up at Syracuse.


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I was surprised that Tennessee didn't go after McCord. Then I remembered that the Vols prefer Michigan QBs.

[RedTeamGo!]

I was surprised that Tennessee didn't go after McCord. Then I remembered that the Vols prefer Michigan QBs.

Also McCord is not good.

In other news the Buckeyes one good remaining DL recruit is about to flip to either Bama or Clemson. That will leave them with 1 defensive line recruit on the cycle and he’s a kid that is ranked close to 1000 on 247. Larry Johnson needs to retire immediately.

[Hillsdale87]

Nothing is official until they sign, but Jeremiah Smith is making it seem like he's locked in to OSU. And apparently OSU feels good about Eddrick Houston still. Would be huge to hold on to those guys.


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[RedTeamGo!]

OSU is going to lose two committed 5 stars today to Bama and Oregon - DL Houston to Bama and WR McLellan to Oregon. The Buckeyes came in to today with the #2 ranked class and with these flips will drop to around #10. They will finish the recruiting calendar with 1 DL, a DT from Maryland that is ranked around 1000 on 247. That is it. This will be the first WR to flip on Brian Hartline.

The WR is not that big of a deal because of how good the room is but the DL Eddrick Houston is just a massive loss. This is setting up to be a disaster of a room. Larry Johnson needs to retire immediately.

[jwdoc77]

OSU is going to lose two committed 5 stars today to Bama and Oregon - DL Houston to Bama and WR McLellan to Oregon. The Buckeyes came in to today with the #2 ranked class and with these flips will drop to around #10. They will finish the recruiting calendar with 1 DL, a DT from Maryland that is ranked around 1000 on 247. That is it. This will be the first WR to flip on Brian Hartline.

The WR is not that big of a deal because of how good the room is but the DL Eddrick Houston is just a massive loss. This is setting up to be a disaster of a room. Larry Johnson needs to retire immediately.


Where are you seeing the Eddrick Houston news? Is that official? I cant find anything and last I heard they were pretty optimistic he was signing and that Clemson was seen as more of a threat than Bama to sign him.

[RedTeamGo!]

Where are you seeing the Eddrick Houston news? Is that official? I cant find anything and last I heard they were pretty optimistic he was signing and that Clemson was seen as more of a threat than Bama to sign him.

Wiltfong from 247 says the news out of Buford, GA (Houston's hometown) is that he is going to flip to Bama. Apparently the coach at Buford pushes players to Bama often. Sounds like he might be getting paid under the table to do so. But, either way, he gone.

[jwdoc77]

Wiltfong from 247 says the news out of Buford, GA (Houston's hometown) is that he is going to flip to Bama. Apparently the coach at Buford pushes players to Bama often. Sounds like he might be getting paid under the table to do so. But, either way, he gone.

Well that sucks. Theyve got to figure out the DL thing. NIL, Johnson, combo of both....gotta be figured out.

[RedTeamGo!]

Now there is talk JJ Smith is flipping to Miami. It is difficult to describe how big of a disaster today is. With the three straight losses to UM and the insane December recruit flips you have to consider moving on from the entire staff. Day has clearly lost the program. Kids don't want to play for him, its NIL but it isn't just NIL.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ok phew, Smith signed with OSU, Day can stay for one more year.

[Sea Ray]

Ok phew, Smith signed with OSU, Day can stay for one more year.

All that panic for nothing

[RedTeamGo!]

All that panic for nothing

Oh its not nothing, they have gotten absolutely pantsted this month. Two 5 star recruits flipping today, including at their biggest need - DE. The program is in bad shape right now.

[bucksfan2]

OSU has to get the DLine and LJ figured out. LJ is going to stay as long as he wants, but teams are going to use that against him. Teams used Urban's health and how long he was going to coach against him. I believe it was Jackson Carman who mentioned that. There needs to be a plan in place for LJ, and to be honest Parker Flemming should be fired and James Laruanitis should be hired to help with the DLine recruiting.

There is a lot of dumb money being throw around at these kids. From programs mired in mediocrity. A&M did it a few years ago and now most of those guys have left. Miami will continue to do so, and if guys want to go play in South Florida in half empty stadium have at it. But when you have these programs throwing around money taking kids they normally wouldn't get, it begins to level the playing field a little bit.

FWIW Jordan Seaton who surprisingly committed to Colorado about a week ago is not wavering on that decision. Give these kids their due, this is really the only time they get to be the focus of attention and play the games they want to, but man you hope they make the right decision.

[jwdoc77]

Oh its not nothing, they have gotten absolutely pantsted this month. Two 5 star recruits flipping today, including at their biggest need - DE. The program is in bad shape right now.

Houston isnt over yet...but its not looking good. Some of the flips theyve experienced I dont think will be a big deal. The DL recruiting absolutely has to pick up.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Oh its not nothing, they have gotten absolutely pantsted this month. Two 5 star recruits flipping today, including at their biggest need - DE. The program is in bad shape right now.

Who was the other 5 star? McLennan isn’t a 5 star. He was a nice to have but I bet his plan all along was to come if Smith didn’t and go somewhere else if he did. There’s 5 freshman and sophomores ahead of him, so I get that.

Houston would absolutely suck, he looks very good. I don’t believe any of this nonsense though. All the guys that are “reporting” on this has changed their minds 4 times this week. See what he does soon.

Then figure out who is staying and the portal stuff. And I guess play the cotton bowl.

Smith is just a huge get. He’s the best HS player I remember since Bijan.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Houston signed! Boom!

[BuckeyeRed27]

Now there is talk JJ Smith is flipping to Miami. It is difficult to describe how big of a disaster today is. With the three straight losses to UM and the insane December recruit flips you have to consider moving on from the entire staff. Day has clearly lost the program. Kids don't want to play for him, its NIL but it isn't just NIL.

So….;)

[Hillsdale87]

And Houston stays with OSU. The sky is not falling [emoji1]


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[jwdoc77]

Houston signed! Boom!

Lets go! Good to keep him in the class and a much needed recruit.

[RedTeamGo!]

phewwwww Houston staying. I would really like to know what happened there.

[RiverRat13]

Ohio State with five 5-star signees, the most of any team (so far).

[*BaseClogger*]

Ohio State with five 5-star signees, the most of any team (so far).

Clear out the coaching staff. The program is in shambles.

[RedTeamGo!]

Clear out the coaching staff. The program is in shambles.

That is great and all, but once again, and I have been saying this for the past several years - it is being heavily propped up by WR and QB recruiting. They have exactly 2 DL this class and no elite OT recruit. It is an issue.

Interestingly enough, this has coincided with OSU getting absolutely bullied by UM at the line of scrimmage. OSU is absolutely soft right now and while they continue to gobble up 5 star WRs and ignore the lines, it is going to continue.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That is great and all, but once again, and I have been saying this for the past several years - it is being heavily propped up by WR and QB recruiting. They have exactly 2 DL this class and no elite OT recruit. It is an issue.

Interestingly enough, this has coincided with OSU getting absolutely bullied by UM at the line of scrimmage. OSU is absolutely soft right now and while they continue to gobble up 5 star WRs and ignore the lines, it is going to continue.

Dude come on. This class has something everywhere, it’s not “propped up” because 2 of the 5 5 stars are WRs. Elite DL prospect, 4 OL signees, elite corners, elite QB, I mean literally everything. OL stars are notoriously hard to figure out and have the lowest hit rate of any position. 4 very solid prospects is a good class. They will probably need to get a portal lineman or it sounds like a Washington commit might flip.

And OSU didn’t get bullied at the line against UM. They did in the second half of the 21 game. It’s a lazy narrative that isn’t at all true.

[RedTeamGo!]

Dude come on. This class has something everywhere, it’s not “propped up” because 2 of the 5 5 stars are WRs. Elite DL prospect, 4 OL signees, elite corners, elite QB, I mean literally everything. OL stars are notoriously hard to figure out and have the lowest hit rate of any position. 4 very solid prospects is a good class. They will probably need to get a portal lineman or it sounds like a Washington commit might flip.

And OSU didn’t get bullied at the line against UM. They did in the second half of the 21 game. It’s a lazy narrative that isn’t at all true.

Not literally everything. They have two DL in this class including one guy ranked 1000th in the country. They do not have a slam dunk elite OT. These are issues the team has had for years. Nobody getting to the QB and bad OL. They also struggled with getting a safety.

And it is not a lazy narrative. They got bulled in the 2nd half of both the 21, 22, and 23 games. They did not force one punt in the 2nd half of the 23 game. They gave up a drive in the 4th quarter that ate up 7 minutes of gametime. . They gave up a 25 yard touchdown to Blake Corum on an inside run late in the game AFTER Michigan's best OL broke his leg. Saying they didn't get bullied at the line is a cope take by OSU fans. It has been embarrassing for 3 years in a row at the line of scrimmage.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Not literally everything. They have two DL in this class including one guy ranked 1000th in the country. They do not have a slam dunk elite OT. These are issues the team has had for years. Nobody getting to the QB and bad OL.

Yeah those aren’t issues the team has had for years. Last years line was excellent and has 2 NFL starters and another player drafted. They took some heat for run blocking but that very likely was more to do with every running back on the team being hurt for all or part of the 22 season.

Stud definitely had a couple bad recruiting years I won’t argue that, and this years line was worse than the last 6 or 7 years but they also came along nicely and showed some good development particularly Simmons, a big portal win. Again stars on the line are very hard to project, getting four solid prospects is a good class we will see who hits. The elite OT they were in on looks like a clown show right now and is a good thing we didn’t get him.

Like I said we will probably need to pick up a DL if this Washington commit doesn’t flip…and I’m sure we will. Houston is an impact commit and it’s hard to complain about landing a 5 star DE even without more depth in the class at the moment.

The class has literally everything. Which is why it’s ranked 2.

[RedTeamGo!]

Like I said we will probably need to pick up a DL if this Washington commit doesn’t flip…and I’m sure we will. Houston is an impact commit and it’s hard to complain about landing a 5 star DE even without more depth in the class at the moment.

The class has literally everything. Which is why it’s ranked 2.

Two things:

What Washington recruit?

and it is not ranked 2, it is ranked 5.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Two things:

What Washington recruit?

and it is not ranked 2, it is ranked 5.

Dominic Kirks. He’s a 4 star Ohio kid that’s committed to Washington didn’t send in his letter and lots of smoke he’s gonna flip.

And it is 2. 3 on overall 2 on average. Kirks would get it to 2 on both.

[Hillsdale87]

The sky is not falling, but RTG is right about the OL and DL. OSU has not gotten enough impact players there recently. Frye was supposedly a big pickup, but the OL hasn't been especially great, and the recruiting is mediocre.

The DL too. They've not filled the pipeline the last couple years. That's an issue. The stars in this class are largely skill positions - QB, WRs, CBs. That's great, but it would be nice to see more on the lines. This recruiting class has reinforced areas of strength, but it hasn't done enough to address weaknesses.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Dominic Kirks. He’s a 4 star Ohio kid that’s committed to Washington didn’t send in his letter and lots of smoke he’s gonna flip.

And it is 2. 3 on overall 2 on average. Kirks would get it to 2 on both.

you are looking at the composite. the 247 they are 5th right now, but regardless. Kirks flipping would be huge.

[BuckeyeRed27]

you are looking at the composite. the 247 they are 5th right now, but regardless. Kirks flipping would be huge.

You are looking at the one that includes transfers.

[WVRed]

The sky is not falling, but RTG is right about the OL and DL. OSU has not gotten enough impact players there recently. Frye was supposedly a big pickup, but the OL hasn't been especially great, and the recruiting is mediocre.

The DL too. They've not filled the pipeline the last couple years. That's an issue. The stars in this class are largely skill positions - QB, WRs, CBs. That's great, but it would be nice to see more on the lines. This recruiting class has reinforced areas of strength, but it hasn't done enough to address weaknesses.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAt least with the playoff expanding it will benefit Ohio State. They are always going to be a matchup nightmare with skill players even if there are teams they don't match up against.

I always kinda think Harbaugh was right about his comment on Ryan Day being born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. He can obviously get the most out of an offense but he has largely ignored what makes any team successful in the trenches.

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[Hillsdale87]

At least with the playoff expanding it will benefit Ohio State. They are always going to be a matchup nightmare with skill players even if there are teams they don't match up against.

I always kinda think Harbaugh was right about his comment on Ryan Day being born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. He can obviously get the most out of an offense but he has largely ignored what makes any team successful in the trenches.

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He's made OSU a better, more consistent program than it was under Urban. The third base stuff is BS IMO. Yes, he certainly benefited from taking over an already great program. But there's been no dropoff in recruiting or performance. Yes, they've lost to Michigan 3 years in a row, but the Michigan teams that Urban faced were generally not as good as the Michigan teams of the last 3 years.

The struggles in the trenches Day had his first few years were largely the fault of poor recruiting at the end of the Urban era. There was a severe lack of defensive talent. Day is not ignoring the trenches, which is why they have a new OL coach, but he doesn't have enough recruiting wins there yet.


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[RedTeamGo!]

At least with the playoff expanding it will benefit Ohio State. They are always going to be a matchup nightmare with skill players even if there are teams they don't match up against.

I always kinda think Harbaugh was right about his comment on Ryan Day being born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. He can obviously get the most out of an offense but he has largely ignored what makes any team successful in the trenches.

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The born on third base crap is so lame.

Ryan Day's father committed suicide when he was 9 years old and was raised by a single mother. He went on to become QB at a small school - The University of New Hampshire - where he played for and was mentored by Chip Kelly. He then began his coaching career, which was from the lowest totem on the pole:

2002 New Hampshire (TE)
2003–2004 Boston College (GA)
2005 Florida (GA)
2006 Temple (WR)
2007–2011 Boston College (WR)
2012 Temple (OC/WR)
2013–2014 Boston College (OC/QB)
2015 Philadelphia Eagles (QB)
2016 San Francisco 49ers (QB)
2017 Ohio State (co-OC/QB)
2018 Ohio State (acting HC/OC/QB)
2019–present Ohio State

Jim Harbaugh, on the other hand, was the son of a legendary football coach with all kinds of connections. During the last several years of his playing career he helped coach Western Kentucky with his dad, and then following his playing career immediately walked into a QB coach job with the Raiders for one year and then became the HC at San Diego, where you guessed it, his dad had coached. And then he went to Stanford, where you guessed it, his dad coached.

Basically, Harbaugh's comment was pure projection and total nonsense.

[bucksfan2]

He's made OSU a better, more consistent program than it was under Urban. The third base stuff is BS IMO. Yes, he certainly benefited from taking over an already great program. But there's been no dropoff in recruiting or performance. Yes, they've lost to Michigan 3 years in a row, but the Michigan teams that Urban faced were generally not as good as the Michigan teams of the last 3 years.

The struggles in the trenches Day had his first few years were largely the fault of poor recruiting at the end of the Urban era. There was a severe lack of defensive talent. Day is not ignoring the trenches, which is why they have a new OL coach, but he doesn't have enough recruiting wins there yet.


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I feel like Day runs his program more like an NFL team whereas Urban was the ultimate college guy. Day's biggest issue has been the Michigan game, which he has to start winning, but the guy has built a pretty damn good program in Columbus. I will go as far to say I don't think Urban's methods will succeed in today's college game. It sounds odd, but the game has changed pretty much over the past 5 years.

Their biggest misses have been on the Oline. The DLine recruiting seems like it goes in cycles. It was just three years ago where they brought in 2 5*'s and a top 100 DT all in the same class. I don't think Day has neglected the defensive recruiting at all. I also think them being behind on NIL has hurt. Day has been 247 Composite top 5 every season at OSU with the exception of his first year. And they are always near the top when it comes to average player rating. The biggest issues in rankings is Alabama and Georgia take 5 more recruits each cycle than OSU does. I don't know why OSU doesn't take as many, but it makes a difference.

[WVRed]

I feel like Day runs his program more like an NFL team whereas Urban was the ultimate college guy. Day's biggest issue has been the Michigan game, which he has to start winning, but the guy has built a pretty damn good program in Columbus. I will go as far to say I don't think Urban's methods will succeed in today's college game. It sounds odd, but the game has changed pretty much over the past 5 years.

Their biggest misses have been on the Oline. The DLine recruiting seems like it goes in cycles. It was just three years ago where they brought in 2 5*'s and a top 100 DT all in the same class. I don't think Day has neglected the defensive recruiting at all. I also think them being behind on NIL has hurt. Day has been 247 Composite top 5 every season at OSU with the exception of his first year. And they are always near the top when it comes to average player rating. The biggest issues in rankings is Alabama and Georgia take 5 more recruits each cycle than OSU does. I don't know why OSU doesn't take as many, but it makes a difference.I do think Urban would have done two things different than Day:

1. Recruited the trenches more.

2. Locked down the state of Ohio to recruiting.

I understand recruiting is now more national than it's ever been but while a lot of the top players (I'm going by 247) in the state are going to Ohio there have been several left on the table the last three years. Some of those have been offensive line recruits as well.

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[kaldaniels]

The born on third base crap is so lame.

Ryan Day's father committed suicide when he was 9 years old and was raised by a single mother. He went on to become QB at a small school - The University of New Hampshire - where he played for and was mentored by Chip Kelly. He then began his coaching career, which was from the lowest totem on the pole:

2002 New Hampshire (TE)
2003–2004 Boston College (GA)
2005 Florida (GA)
2006 Temple (WR)
2007–2011 Boston College (WR)
2012 Temple (OC/WR)
2013–2014 Boston College (OC/QB)
2015 Philadelphia Eagles (QB)
2016 San Francisco 49ers (QB)
2017 Ohio State (co-OC/QB)
2018 Ohio State (acting HC/OC/QB)
2019–present Ohio State

Jim Harbaugh, on the other hand, was the son of a legendary football coach with all kinds of connections. During the last several years of his playing career he helped coach Western Kentucky with his dad, and then following his playing career immediately walked into a QB coach job with the Raiders for one year and then became the HC at San Diego, where you guessed it, his dad had coached. And then he went to Stanford, where you guessed it, his dad coached.

Basically, Harbaugh's comment was pure projection and total nonsense.

True true true.

Quick sidebar…why is Day referred to as “an NFL guy” by many - look at his career stops.

[WVRed]

True true true.

Quick sidebar…why is Day referred to as “an NFL guy” by many - look at his career stops.Probably because he coached in the NFL at one point.

I've made the comment before that Ryan Day is the college football version of John Calipari without the baggage. They both run offenses that fans love and it attracts players who go on to have great success in the pros but in the end they don't win when it matters and leave you wanting more.

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[RedTeamGo!]

2. Locked down the state of Ohio to recruiting.

I

False. Urban is the guy that moved OSU away from locking down Ohio. One of the biggest things his critics complained about was literally that he ignored Ohio kids.

[kaldaniels]

This may be unpopular but the “he doesn’t lock down Ohio” doesn’t really concern me. The South is where it’s at. Of course try to grab the low hanging fruit in Ohio…but just try to get the best players.

[RedTeamGo!]

This may be unpopular but the “he doesn’t lock down Ohio” doesn’t really concern me. The South is where it’s at. Of course try to grab the low hanging fruit in Ohio…but just try to get the best players.

People complain about it because a 3 star from Ohio that OSU didn't offer has a chip on their shoulder and intercepts the ball on OSU's game winning drive attempt for Michigan.

People did not complain about this when OSU beat Michigan 10 years in a row or whatever it was.

[WVRed]

False. Urban is the guy that moved OSU away from locking down Ohio. One of the biggest things his critics complained about was literally that he ignored Ohio kids.Ok, maybe I'm thinking of Tressel.



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[bucksfan2]

People complain about it because a 3 star from Ohio that OSU didn't offer has a chip on their shoulder and intercepts the ball on OSU's game winning drive attempt for Michigan.

People did not complain about this when OSU beat Michigan 10 years in a row or whatever it was.

Tress beat Michigan year in year out, down Michigan teams, but beat them none the less. Problem with Tress is his recruiting suffered greatly at the end of his career. The teams were no longer as talented as they once were. He had the formula for winning the B1G but couldn't stand on the national stage towards the end of his tenure.

Urban came in and really upped the recruiting. He took it to a new level, they became national classes. IMO the problem with Urban was he became too intense. Everything became life or death. It was the same story at Florida as it was at OSU. He just couldn't coach at the level he required. Derron Lee in one of his rants said Urban told him to quit and go play for Akron. Its tough to tell that to a kid these days. That kid will be in the portal the next day. For as much success as Urban had against Michigan, he also had the Purdue and Iowa disasters. And Urban probably too the most talented OSU team in recent memory and had them fall short of making the playoff. That 2015 team was loaded, as talented as team as I have ever seen.

Day has his own issues, basically one issue, and that is Michigan. 1-3 isn't a good look. And it needs to change. The Ohio recruiting thing is interesting. This past year they got the top to Ohio players, probably shouldn't have let Marshall go up to Michigan, but other than that, are you taking a QB over Noland? Last year they go the top 8 out of 10 Ohio players and the 9th transferred to OSU from NW this past season. The year before, they got 5 of the top 10, and the one guy they surprisingly didn't go after was a WR, I think I trust Hartline there.

In today's era of football, OSU needs to lock down the guys in state who they want. They can't let someone come in and take the top talent elsewhere. This past cycle, I think you can argue Day did that, getting both Scott and West. While everyone can point to the 3* kid from Ohio they should have gotten, there is a long list of lower ranked guys from Ohio who they do take fliers on who just don't pan out.

[WVRed]

Tress beat Michigan year in year out, down Michigan teams, but beat them none the less. Problem with Tress is his recruiting suffered greatly at the end of his career. The teams were no longer as talented as they once were. He had the formula for winning the B1G but couldn't stand on the national stage towards the end of his tenure.

Urban came in and really upped the recruiting. He took it to a new level, they became national classes. IMO the problem with Urban was he became too intense. Everything became life or death. It was the same story at Florida as it was at OSU. He just couldn't coach at the level he required. Derron Lee in one of his rants said Urban told him to quit and go play for Akron. Its tough to tell that to a kid these days. That kid will be in the portal the next day. For as much success as Urban had against Michigan, he also had the Purdue and Iowa disasters. And Urban probably too the most talented OSU team in recent memory and had them fall short of making the playoff. That 2015 team was loaded, as talented as team as I have ever seen.

Day has his own issues, basically one issue, and that is Michigan. 1-3 isn't a good look. And it needs to change. The Ohio recruiting thing is interesting. This past year they got the top to Ohio players, probably shouldn't have let Marshall go up to Michigan, but other than that, are you taking a QB over Noland? Last year they go the top 8 out of 10 Ohio players and the 9th transferred to OSU from NW this past season. The year before, they got 5 of the top 10, and the one guy they surprisingly didn't go after was a WR, I think I trust Hartline there.

In today's era of football, OSU needs to lock down the guys in state who they want. They can't let someone come in and take the top talent elsewhere. This past cycle, I think you can argue Day did that, getting both Scott and West. While everyone can point to the 3* kid from Ohio they should have gotten, there is a long list of lower ranked guys from Ohio who they do take fliers on who just don't pan out.In theory they should lock down all of the five star recruits and for the most part they have outside of Drew Allar.

Four stars they should as well. They've signed most but a few have gotten away. I know because Kentucky has gotten a couple or have been in on them (Aamil Wagner).

Three stars and below is a crapshoot. Nobody can fault Ohio State for not going after the kid who made the game clinching INT for Michigan or the Benny Snell's of the world.

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[RedTeamGo!]

Four stars they should as well. They've signed most but a few have gotten away. I know because Kentucky has gotten a couple or have been in on them (Aamil Wagner).


They didn't want Wagner. 4 stars in OH are a crapshoot as well. OH high school football has gone down quite a bit the last several years as more and more people leave Ohio

[bucksfan2]

In theory they should lock down all of the five star recruits and for the most part they have outside of Drew Allar.

Four stars they should as well. They've signed most but a few have gotten away. I know because Kentucky has gotten a couple or have been in on them (Aamil Wagner).

Three stars and below is a crapshoot. Nobody can fault Ohio State for not going after the kid who made the game clinching INT for Michigan or the Benny Snell's of the world.

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It has been rare where there was a kid from Ohio that OSU really wants. And once you get beyond the top 100 type of recruit, or that top tier recruit, some guys OSU doesn't want. Kaden Saunders is one, where he was highly rated WR but OSU didn't really offer. He didn't fit what Hartline wanted in a WR.

There are some kids where it was somewhat surprising that they went elsewhere. Brendon Vernon was a top tier recruit who went to ND over OSU, but he ended up being around the 200's. Blake Miller the same, thought he was top tier and ended up in that 200 range. Now both you would think OSU wanted as depth, but if you look at the depth chart at OSU vs ND, it tells a different story.

I have little issue with OSU recruiting. Their OLine has been off for the past few cycles, and it really came to roost this season, but I know people are REALLY high on Ian Moore, and Luke Montgomery from last year. They need to do a better job of filling up the pipeline so they don't have to go to SDSU to get the starting LT. Same thing with DLine, you would hope for more depth, but I did hear a decent argument today that you would much rathe have JTT stick around for another season than anything.

[Hillsdale87]

I have little issue with OSU recruiting. Their OLine has been off for the past few cycles, and it really came to roost this season, but I know people are REALLY high on Ian Moore, and Luke Montgomery from last year. They need to do a better job of filling up the pipeline so they don't have to go to SDSU to get the starting LT. Same thing with DLine, you would hope for more depth, but I did hear a decent argument today that you would much rathe have JTT stick around for another season than anything.

JTT sticking around would definitely be the ideal scenario, but that would just be extremely lucky. OSU needed to go into 2024 recruiting prepared to replace JTT and Sawyer. It was an underwhelming DL haul, but they might have bought themselves another year unexpectedly. I heard the OSU Rivals guys saying that OSU seems to be pretty optimistic that JTT will be back next year.


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[texasdave]

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ohio-state-receives-a-crystal-ball-pick-for-five-star-2026-quarterback/ar-AA1lX492?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=bb65dddac47e40b896f9ccf74ce5c156&ei=34

Buckeyes seem to be getting a 5-star QB recruit on a yearly basis.

[Hillsdale87]

I'm actually pretty excited for this game tonight. Looking forward to seeing what Devin Brown and a young receiving corps can do. Also, for all of the concern around the OSU program over the past month, I think the lack of opt-outs speaks pretty well to the culture Day has built at OSU.


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[kaldaniels]

Bowl games don’t matter but I’m looking forward to watching the future on the field tonight.

[Assembly Hall]

Bowl games don’t matter but I’m looking forward to watching the future on the field tonight.

Rooting for the Bucks to kick some SEC arsz.

[Roy Tucker]

What are these pre-snap penalties? Weird.

[Roy Tucker]

If Brown can’t move, why is he in there? Play someone else.

[Hillsdale87]

Buckeyes need to find a tackle in the portal


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[WVRed]

Only reason Ohio State will win this game is their defense. The offense isn't doing them any favors.

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[Roy Tucker]

OSU defense playing well.

Brown going to the locker room. Looks like we’ll see the backup QB.

[Hillsdale87]

Well this game is a bummer. I feel so bad for Devin Brown. And unfortunately doesn't give Day a chance to evaluate whether they need a transfer at QB.


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[Roy Tucker]

This is really bad football.

[Larkin Fan]

This might be the worst Buckeye football game I've ever witnessed.

[WVRed]

This might be worst Buckeye football game I've ever witnessed.And because of how bad Missouri is they might still win it.

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[paintmered]

This game is going to be Sickos Committee lore.

[RedTeamGo!]

That was truly awful football.

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Well this game is a bummer. I feel so bad for Devin Brown. And unfortunately doesn't give Day a chance to evaluate whether they need a transfer at QB.


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I can answer that for Day: yes, they need a transfer QB.

[Roy Tucker]

As good as the Ohio State defense is playing, that’s how bad the offense is.

I will say these announcers suck too.

[Roy Tucker]

I understand why the Ohio State offense is so bad, but I don’t get why Missouri’s is. Aren’t they playing at full strength?

[Hillsdale87]

If Parker Fleming is still employed tomorrow, then I have no idea what Day is doing. Special teams are a mess every game.

And meanwhile, Jack Sawyer may be playing himself into the draft.


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[RedTeamGo!]

OSU’s special teams is the worst in the country and they have a full time special teams coach. The ST has been bad for years at this point. I can only assume he is Ryan Day’s secret lover or has some serious dirt on him. Otherwise, what are we doing here?

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If Parker Fleming is still employed tomorrow, then I have no idea what Day is doing. Special teams are a mess every game.

And meanwhile, Jack Sawyer may be playing himself into the draft.


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How do you get a holding call on a fair catch???

[Kilgore_Trout]

Not a lot to say about this game. Defense looks great. Everything else, aside from Henderson and Johnson, looks bafflingly bad on the other side of the ball.

[RedTeamGo!]

Has Michigan broken OSU?

[Roy Tucker]

You knew that was coming.

[RedTeamGo!]

I honestly think you have to consider moving on from Day sooner rather than later. This team is clearly broken. Michigan broke Day. Day had pretty much his pick of the litter for the last 4 years at QB and we got McCord, Brown, and Keinholtz. McCord was mediocre. Brown and Keinholtz can’t throw the ball down the field. This is so bizarre.

[RedTeamGo!]

They are going to score 3 points against Missouri.

Absolutely embarrassing.

[Kilgore_Trout]

They are going to score 3 points against Missouri.

Absolutely embarrassing.

Didn’t see it coming.

Humble pie ain’t so sweet.

[Roy Tucker]

Not that I thought they had a shot before, but that’s ballgame there.

Not going to help Day with the Buckeye faithful. A bad fail.

[757690]

They are going to score 3 points against Missouri.

Absolutely embarrassing.

They basically didn’t have a QB for most of the game. Not sure what you expected.

[LiferJim]

I honestly think you have to consider moving on from Day sooner rather than later. This team is clearly broken. Michigan broke Day. Day had pretty much his pick of the litter for the last 4 years at QB and we got McCord, Brown, and Keinholtz. McCord was mediocre. Brown and Keinholtz can’t throw the ball down the field. This is so bizarre.

Regardless of who played tonight, Days struggles against good teams continues. Not happy about this

Edited to add, yes they should possibly consider canning him

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[Roy Tucker]

Offensive line play has been awful all night.

A really poor showing tonight. I didn’t expect a lot, but this was a very poor outing.

[RiverRat13]

I'm sorry, third string QB or not, an Ohio State team should be able to score 14 points pounding the rock. This is why your teams have been called soft for 3 years now, Ryan.

[*BaseClogger*]

At what point should they have gone into heavy formations with a fullback and just tried to pound the ball?

[RedTeamGo!]

They basically didn’t have a QB for most of the game. Not sure what you expected.

It’s OSU. 3 points against Missouri is embarrassing. I don’t care who is out there. They won a national championship with a third string QB.

[Sea Ray]

Ohio State sure struggles with SEC schools


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[RedTeamGo!]

At what point should they have gone into heavy formations with a fullback and just tried to pound the ball?

They cannot do that. They are soft.

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Ohio State sure struggles with SEC schools


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This has made me think even less of Michigan. Bama is going to pound them. This OSU team went toe to toe with UM in Ann Arbor and just got absolutely mauled by Missouri’s defense.

[757690]

I'm sorry, third string QB or not, an Ohio State team should be able to score 14 points pounding the rock. This is why your teams have been called soft for 3 years now, Ryan.

No team can successfully pound the rock when the other team knows that is all you can do.

[RedTeamGo!]

No team can successfully pound the rock when the other team knows that is all you can do.

False.

[Roy Tucker]

I think the defense got worn down. Depth is a problem there.

The offense was embarrassing. Are they soft? Well, they don’t play a power game. They’re a Ferrari, not a pickup truck. They win with speed and motion, not power. So yeah, they’re soft. The Ferrari can get stalled out and when that happens, they have nothing to fall back on.

[*BaseClogger*]

I don’t think the players are soft. I think the offensive line is lacking. But more than anything I just don’t think it ever crosses coach Day’s mind to go jumbo and run power. It’s not in his offensive scheme DNA. Heck, they even ran that package effectively once in Q1 and just never went back to it. With the talent OSU can recruit they should be able to line up in the I-form and generate some offense. We used to see if in the Tressel era.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think the defense got worn down. Depth is a problem there.

The offense was embarrassing. Are they soft? Well, they don’t play a power game. They’re a Ferrari, not a pickup truck. They win with speed and motion, not power. So yeah, they’re soft. The Ferrari can get stalled out and when that happens, they have nothing to fall back on.

Right now the offense is a used Toyota Corolla

[WVRed]

False.True when you are running a true freshman out there in Jerryworld and everyone and their brother knows the run is coming.

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[RiverRat13]

They cannot do that. They are soft.

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This has made me think even less of Michigan. Bama is going to pound them. This OSU team went toe to toe with UM in Ann Arbor and just got absolutely mauled by Missouri’s defense.

Meh. Last night's OSU team wasn't the one Michigan beat. And one could easily say that Missouri put up a ton of points in the SEC but didn't score on its first nine drives against OSU - and didn't start moving the ball until the OSU D was totally gassed from being out on the field the whole night. But overall I think it would be a mistake to try to draw any conclusions about UM-Alabama based on the Cotton Bowl.

[LiferJim]

I don’t like the second and third string quarterback excuses. Remember, Cardale Jones was a third stringer too. I still think the biggest problem this year was the offensive line. Running the rock certainly makes it a whole lot easier on any quarterback


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[RedTeamGo!]

I don’t like the second and third string quarterback excuses. Remember, Cardale Jones was a third stringer too. I still think the biggest problem this year was the offensive line. Running the rock certainly makes it a whole lot easier on any quarterback


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Agreed about the OL. They were horrid last night. I legit think Toledo’s OL would have performed better. Have to look at the OL coach.

With that said, there is a difference between Cardale Jones, who was a grown man that had been in the program for 3 years when he stepped in and Lincoln Keinholz, who is a true freshman that didn’t even join the team until the summer (he was not an early enrollee because he played baseball in the spring - which I absolutely respect). Just sayin, there is a difference. Still inexcusable to score 3 points against Missou.

[LiferJim]

Agreed about the OL. They were horrid last night. I legit think Toledo’s OL would have performed better. Have to look at the OL coach.

With that said, there is a difference between Cardale Jones, who was a grown man that had been in the program for 3 years when he stepped in and Lincoln Keinholz, who is a true freshman that didn’t even join the team until the summer (he was not an early enrollee because he played baseball in the spring - which I absolutely respect). Just sayin, there is a difference. Still inexcusable to score 3 points against Missou.

I agree but like you said it’s inexcusable to score 3 points against Missouri and someone has to be held accountable for that. I know I’ve mentioned this before, but Days record against good opponents speaks volumes, IMO. He has feasted on the weaker opponents, in an elite program if that counts.


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[Mitri]

The transfer portal has changed college quarterbacking forever. Cardale Jones would have been on his 2nd or 3rd school if it existed in its current form when he was playing.

[GAC]

He has feasted on the weaker opponents, in an elite program if that counts.

All the ELITE programs feast on WEAKER opponents my friend.

Day almost pulled off the upset vs Georgia last year, lost by 1 point when the game winning FG hooked left. Helluva game. And without Marvin Harrison, who got injured. Our secondary lost OSU that game. We came out of that loss, and entered this past season with a vastly different mindset to improving their defense. And they did.

Day had one loss as far as I'm concerned. And it was a close one to that team up north that may go on to win the national championship.

Yes. All of that says something to me.

It's laughable when I hear people say "Anyone can beat the likes of Indiana, Northwestern, or any other the other weak links in the conference"... as if in their conference, weak links don't exist. Or else their "weak links" are stronger then our strong links.

Like I said before - every conference seems to be "structured" with the same dynamics .... a couple elite teams that totally dominate the conference, and play for/win titles ... then there's the good teams who'll suffer a loss or two. And one or both is to those elite teams. They can't get over that hurdle (lol). Then there's your middling teams that are just fighting for bowl eligibility. You don't even have to be .500 any more. And then there's the dregs, the perennial bottom dwellers, whose only existence/purpose is to pad the elite team's numbers.

That's why I always liked Bowl games, and those head-to-head between the various conferences. Other then the CFP, they mean nothing.

The playoff system should help to improve that. I hope.

The only "hump" Day has to get over is Michigan. It's doable. But at 1-3, the pressure is on him. He can't keep going 11-1 .. and that one loss is always Michigan. No Ohio State head coach has/can survive that kind of record!

[Sea Ray]

I don’t like the second and third string quarterback excuses. Remember, Cardale Jones was a third stringer too. I still think the biggest problem this year was the offensive line. Running the rock certainly makes it a whole lot easier on any quarterback


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The OSU offense for much of the year was throw it MHJ's way and good things will happen. I think the offense missed him more than anyone

[Sea Ray]

They cannot do that. They are soft.

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This has made me think even less of Michigan. Bama is going to pound them. This OSU team went toe to toe with UM in Ann Arbor and just got absolutely mauled by Missouri’s defense.

We will see. This is not a stellar 'Bama team

[LiferJim]

Yes he is 1-3 vs Michigan and 2-4 in bowl games. That means he is 3-7 in what I would consider big games against good opponents. Yes he lost by 1 to Georgia or he would be 4-6 in big games, but a loss is a loss no matter how you slice it. IMO, at times he’s getting out coached in some of these big games.

He has done a very good job recruiting skill position players, but not so well in the trenches on the offensive side of the ball. Most coaches know where the games are won or lost, but the emphasis during recruiting hasn’t been on our offensive line. Yes you need good skill players, but if you aren’t good in the trenches it’s tough to beat the good teams. That’s on Ryan!

I think he has done a good job coaching at OSU, but not a great job. The OS faithful accepts nothing less than greatness and they shouldn’t!


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[Hillsdale87]

OSU has issues that need corrected for sure, and I agree OL is probably the biggest. But it's a bit bizarre to me that people look back on the "glory days" of Urban and trash Day. They're on very similar trajectories, but the biggest difference is that Michigan is much better now. Urban may have figured out how to beat these Michigan teams, but he didn't face any as good as the 2021-23 teams. I think the program is still in pretty much the same place as when Urban left, but it's just that the rival has significantly stepped it up, which is annoying.

Day has gotten outcoached against Michigan but unlucky in the playoff. I still think he's going to be fine. But this is a big off-season for him. He's going to need to make some coaching changes, and whatever he decides at QB could make or break his job.


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[dubc47834]

We will see. This is not a stellar 'Bama team

But this may be Satan's best coaching job.

[jwdoc77]

But this may be Satan's best coaching job.

[emoji23]


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[RedTeamGo!]

OSU has issues that need corrected for sure, and I agree OL is probably the biggest. But it's a bit bizarre to me that people look back on the "glory days" of Urban and trash Day. They're on very similar trajectories, but the biggest difference is that Michigan is much better now. Urban may have figured out how to beat these Michigan teams, but he didn't face any as good as the 2021-23 teams. I think the program is still in pretty much the same place as when Urban left, but it's just that the rival has significantly stepped it up, which is annoying.

Day has gotten outcoached against Michigan but unlucky in the playoff. I still think he's going to be fine. But this is a big off-season for him. He's going to need to make some coaching changes, and whatever he decides at QB could make or break his job.


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It’s being reported Will Howard to OSU is officially done. They are going to announce it tomorrow. I’m glad they are bringing in a competent experienced QB.

[LiferJim]

It’s being reported Will Howard to OSU is officially done. They are going to announce it tomorrow. I’m glad they are bringing in a competent experienced QB.

Interesting. Not in love with those 10 interceptions this year, but he wasn’t exactly on a powerhouse team either. Hopefully they give him a much better line to throw behind, than we had this year.


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[GAC]

It’s being reported Will Howard to OSU is officially done. They are going to announce it tomorrow. I’m glad they are bringing in a competent experienced QB.

He'll be a senior. So we got him for one year, correct? If true, it sure isn't much of a confidence vote in QBs Brown or Kienholz.

[Hillsdale87]

He'll be a senior. So we got him for one year, correct? If true, it sure isn't much of a confidence vote in QBs Brown or Kienholz.

Well Kienholz clearly isn't ready, but I don't think they ever really thought he would be. The learning curve coming from South Dakota was always going to be high. I feel bad for Brown because injuries have wrecked his year, but I don't think you can go into next year counting on him both because he hasn't shown enough yet and because he appears injury prone.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Yep. I feel bad for Brown, but in this day and age with the portal you simply cannot go into 2024 with Devin Brown at QB. You have options. I still wish they would get Cam Ward, but it’s going to be Howard.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Well Kienholz clearly isn't ready, but I don't think they ever really thought he would be. The learning curve coming from South Dakota was always going to be high. I feel bad for Brown because injuries have wrecked his year, but I don't think you can go into next year counting on him both because he hasn't shown enough yet and because he appears injury prone.


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Yeah that’s the bummer of the cotton bowl is it was supposed to be Browns audition or whatever and he gets hurt 6 minutes in. Howard isn’t perfect, but he’s played a lot of football games and if all these dudes are coming back, this team is gonna be absolutely loaded and you just can’t have a massive question mark at QB. Sucks for Brown, but if Howard comes hopefully he will stay and compete for a year.

[jwdoc77]

He'll be a senior. So we got him for one year, correct? If true, it sure isn't much of a confidence vote in QBs Brown or Kienholz.

It would definitely mean the end for Brown. It may actually work perfectly for Kienholz. He was always going to be a “project”. Probably a similar career arc to a Joe Burrow type in that if he sees success it’s going to take longer to develop and be at the end of his eligibility. It’s a stop gap that gives you a higher floor than Brown can guarantee at this point while allowing another year of development for Keinholz and a year and half for Air Noland. One of those two is hopefully ready to take over in ‘25.


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[WVRed]

It would definitely mean the end for Brown. It may actually work perfectly for Kienholz. He was always going to be a “project”. Probably a similar career arc to a Joe Burrow type in that if he sees success it’s going to take longer to develop and be at the end of his eligibility. It’s a stop gap that gives you a higher floor than Brown can guarantee at this point while allowing another year of development for Keinholz and a year and half for Air Noland. One of those two is hopefully ready to take over in ‘25.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe flip side is that if Day loses next year to Michigan (again) or underachieves in any way shape fashion or form he is likely gone. If he leaves Noland and anyone who was recruited by Day will likely leave as well as the new coach starts from scratch.

Michigan may be a completely different team if Harbaugh bolts to the NFL as rumored especially if Brian Kelly leaves LSU for it so the bar to beat Michigan may be significantly lower than it has been under Harbaugh.

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[goreds2]

Here is the scouting report on Will Howard. It looks good but I don’t like that he has “zero rushing upside”


Will Howard Scouting Report

Strengths:

Has a massive, throwback frame that used to be considered the standard for traditional pocket passers.
Is experienced playing under center in a run-heavy offense that requires him to turn his back on the defense and reset his eyes.

Displays an NFL-starter-caliber arm that threatens defenses at all levels of the field.
Able to maneuver around the pocket to buy time and open passing windows.

Willing to throw off-balance and has the arm flexibility to still deliver accurate passes from unusual launch points.
Knows he has a strong enough arm to test tight passing windows and the ability to beat defenders with his velocity.
Improved his efficiency in 2022, showing off improved decision-making, accuracy, and coverage identification.


Weaknesses:

Has almost zero rushing upside with his large frame and limited speed.

Still needs to see receivers are open before releasing the ball, which can be a problem with less-talented playmakers.

Heavily relies on his arm to make throws that aren’t there. He can do a better job syncing his lower body to his upper body to improve accuracy.

Struggled in a run-heavy offense before thriving in a more spread approach. He’ll have to be more efficient in a blended offense at the next level.

Ended the 2022 season with three poor games against better competition after doing his best work against mediocre teams. His consistency has to improve.

Tends to be too reliant on the scheme to create an open first read before getting anxious in the pocket.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/will-howard-draft-scouting-2024/

[RedTeamGo!]

Here is the scouting report on Will Howard. It looks good but I don’t like that he has “zero rushing upside”



https://www.profootballnetwork.com/will-howard-draft-scouting-2024/

Not sure who made that scouting report but Howard has 1000 career rushing yard. Had 350 rushing yards this year with 9 rushing TDs

[goreds2]

Not sure who made that scouting report but Howard has 1000 career rushing yard. Had 350 rushing yards this year with 9 rushing TDs

Good to know. Thanks,

I feel we were missing that rushing quarterback aspect part of the game this year (big time).

[GAC]

WR Noah Rogers and Punter Mirco enter transfer portal ...

https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/football/ohio-state-buckeyes-noah-rogers-enters-transfer-portal

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/football/2023/12/30/jesse-mirco-ohio-state-punter-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal/72069711007/

[RedTeamGo!]

WR Noah Rogers and Punter Mirco enter transfer portal ...

https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/football/ohio-state-buckeyes-noah-rogers-enters-transfer-portal

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/football/2023/12/30/jesse-mirco-ohio-state-punter-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal/72069711007/

So did WR Bryson Rodgers. 2 of the WRs from the vaunted 23 WR class transferred yesterday. Were in the program for like 7 months. College football is so dumb now. If you don’t play as a true freshman you immediately leave now. It’s just so dumb.

[Roy Tucker]

Seems like this new NIL world is just chaos. They’re going to kill the golden goose if they’re not careful.

[GAC]

Seems like this new NIL world is just chaos. They’re going to kill the golden goose if they’re not careful.

It's like they've given these young amateur players unlimited, unstoppable, power.

[WVRed]

It's like they've given these young amateur players unlimited, unstoppable, power.I've said before that I honestly believe the NCAA never thought that they would lose the Ed OBannon ruling. And now that they have there's no plan in place or if there is one it's basically to muddy up the waters so things go back to the way they were.

I witnessed it with Kentucky in college basketball before it ever got to this point. Kids who came in as freshmen who probably should have stayed two years or more were gone after the first year.

The real problem is who is in these kids ears. Is it handlers? Parents who see a golden goose in their child? It's a messed up system for sure.

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[bucksfan2]

I don't take much if any stock in the Cotton Bowl. But if you are going to lose a game, better lose one like that where it forces you to make decisions.

It was apparent that Keinholtz wasn't ready, should he have been, maybe? I don't know what you expect for a kid who has been with the team since June and was previously playing SD football. It didn't help that the OLine played terrible, and the change they made at C and G really disrupted anything they had going. The comparisons to Cardale are about as off course as you can get. Cardale was a redshirt sophomore when he got his chance, he had been in a QB competition earlier in the season, and had been with the program for 3 years when he took over.

I feel bad for Brown because he had a chance to audition for the job, and it ended with a sprained ankle early in the game. As for Will Howard, did he commit two days ago? I hate to say it, I don't know if he is an upgrade. They can't go into the season with Brown, Keinholtz, and Noland as the only QB's, but will anyone come in and battle for a job?

The transfer portal was not kind to OSU and I think it played out more than most people think against Missouri. Sure having Marvin sit out hurt, but they were without their QB, without a starting WR who just so happens to be their best blocker. But they were also without a ton of depth pieces throughout bowl prep. I do wonder when the power brokers come together and say enough is enough with the portal and NIL, we need some regulation.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't take much if any stock in the Cotton Bowl. But if you are going to lose a game, better lose one like that where it forces you to make decisions.

It was apparent that Keinholtz wasn't ready, should he have been, maybe? I don't know what you expect for a kid who has been with the team since June and was previously playing SD football. It didn't help that the OLine played terrible, and the change they made at C and G really disrupted anything they had going. The comparisons to Cardale are about as off course as you can get. Cardale was a redshirt sophomore when he got his chance, he had been in a QB competition earlier in the season, and had been with the program for 3 years when he took over.

I feel bad for Brown because he had a chance to audition for the job, and it ended with a sprained ankle early in the game. As for Will Howard, did he commit two days ago? I hate to say it, I don't know if he is an upgrade. They can't go into the season with Brown, Keinholtz, and Noland as the only QB's, but will anyone come in and battle for a job?

The transfer portal was not kind to OSU and I think it played out more than most people think against Missouri. Sure having Marvin sit out hurt, but they were without their QB, without a starting WR who just so happens to be their best blocker. But they were also without a ton of depth pieces throughout bowl prep. I do wonder when the power brokers come together and say enough is enough with the portal and NIL, we need some regulation.

Howard has not officially signed yet, but all signs point to it happening.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Howard has not officially signed yet, but all signs point to it happening.

Probably waiting until tomorrow so they don’t have Brown enter the portal now?

[RedTeamGo!]

Probably waiting until tomorrow so they don’t have Brown enter the portal now?

Nah, I dont think they would do Brown like that