2023 Ohio State Buckeyes Football

[BuckeyeRed27]

Let’s go!

Day just named McCord the starter but said Brown will also play against Indiana. Assume this will be a 2 game audition type thing with a slight edge to McCord to win it for the season.

[Assembly Hall]

Go Hoosiers!

[BuckeyeRed27]

Go Hoosiers!

Might be a tough one for the Hoosiers.

[Assembly Hall]

Might be a tough one for the Hoosiers.

Aren't they all? Praying for a miracle but expecting a butt whoppin'.

[GAC]

I took the Hoosiers and the 29 points. ;)

[RedTeamGo!]

I think the Buckeyes run the ball a lot today and the improved defense holds the Hoosiers to 10 points.

[Hillsdale87]

Remember early in Stroud's first year when a lot of people wanted McCord to play over Stroud?


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[Assembly Hall]

Bucknuts in some early trouble.....God, I loved typing that.

[Roy Tucker]

Buckeye OL looks pretty bad.

[RedTeamGo!]

Buckeyes look reallllllll bad. Props to the Hoosiers for playing well too, but man, gonna be a long year. Wolverines going to beat OSU by 40

[RedTeamGo!]

Let me rephrase. Buckeyes offense looks realllllll bad. No wonder Day couldn’t pick a starter at QB. He doesn’t have one.

[RedTeamGo!]

Day picking McCord over JJ McCarthy might be the decision that brings us back to the Cooper days. McCord sucks.

[Roy Tucker]

So why does Devin Brown wear #33 as a QB?

Opening games are usually pretty ragged. This one is no different.

[Roy Tucker]

Don’t kick to that #12.

[wilbo71]

UK will shock the NCAAFB world by winning it all with Devin Leary at QB!!! :cool:


Then I woke up! :( :laugh:

[SunDeck]

I took the Hoosiers and the 29 points. ;)Good bet. A 4 TD spread away on game one was pretty high, although in retrospect when I first saw that spread, it didn't surprise me.

Also, for those of you from BIG schools, Bloomington is a good place to visit and see your team win. The school has put millions of donor dollars (who these people are, with their eternal optimism, I don't know) into the stadium and there are plenty of places to park your RVs.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Obviously not a good game, whether it play calling or execution you can’t go 2/12 on 3rd down and have a good performance. Most of those were shorter on schedule type third downs too.

I didn’t mind McCord. You could see him starting to figure stuff out a bit and I thought he got better as the game went. He can’t play at that level all season, but I saw enough in game 1 for him to keep growing. I thought he made pretty good decisions and kinda game managed it, which again game 1 that’s fine. But whether it’s him deciding or the play just happening absolutely have to have more attempts to Marv and Embuka. I’m sure he’s looking at it where that was where the help was and to find guys like Stover and Fleming which he did, but that’s also exactly what the defense wants you to do.

OL play was my biggest concern. Again week 1 with 3 new starters and line play can evolve a lot fairly quickly, but Simmons was pretty awful.

It was good the defense looked awesome. Indiana is very likely a bad offensive team, but they were just playing much faster than they have recently. Would have been nice if Indiana would have actually shown any interest in trying to win the game instead of just not being blown out to get a better read on some other components of the defense, but I was very encouraged but what we did see.

We’ve had a couple of these big ten road openers where we looked like butt and ultimately had a good enough season so hopefully it was a good get out the kinks type game with a couple more opportunities coming up to figure stuff out before ND.

[*BaseClogger*]

It’s always tricky to parse out how much is a result of blocking/playcalling/small sample and how much is on the running back but the ground game looked better whenever anybody other than Henderson carried the ball.

[Roy Tucker]

It’s always tricky to parse out how much is a result of blocking/playcalling/small sample and how much is on the running back but the ground game looked better whenever anybody other than Henderson carried the ball.

I had that same thought. Henderson has the jets and is always a threat to go the distance, but if he gets just breathed on, he goes down. Trayanum and Williams can run through incidental contact much better.

[RedTeamGo!]

It’s always tricky to parse out how much is a result of blocking/playcalling/small sample and how much is on the running back but the ground game looked better whenever anybody other than Henderson carried the ball.

Yep, I had exact same thought. If I’m in charge he is third string behind Williams and Trayanum. He could also be a third down back.

[Danny Serafini]

So why does Devin Brown wear #33 as a QB?

It's a Sammy Baugh tribute

[bucksfan2]

Obviously not a good game, whether it play calling or execution you can’t go 2/12 on 3rd down and have a good performance. Most of those were shorter on schedule type third downs too.

I didn’t mind McCord. You could see him starting to figure stuff out a bit and I thought he got better as the game went. He can’t play at that level all season, but I saw enough in game 1 for him to keep growing. I thought he made pretty good decisions and kinda game managed it, which again game 1 that’s fine. But whether it’s him deciding or the play just happening absolutely have to have more attempts to Marv and Embuka. I’m sure he’s looking at it where that was where the help was and to find guys like Stover and Fleming which he did, but that’s also exactly what the defense wants you to do.

OL play was my biggest concern. Again week 1 with 3 new starters and line play can evolve a lot fairly quickly, but Simmons was pretty awful.

It was good the defense looked awesome. Indiana is very likely a bad offensive team, but they were just playing much faster than they have recently. Would have been nice if Indiana would have actually shown any interest in trying to win the game instead of just not being blown out to get a better read on some other components of the defense, but I was very encouraged but what we did see.

We’ve had a couple of these big ten road openers where we looked like butt and ultimately had a good enough season so hopefully it was a good get out the kinks type game with a couple more opportunities coming up to figure stuff out before ND.

OLine looked pretty poor, but you don't know if that is a performance or communication issue. They looked less bad in the 2nd half which was promising. I think Simmons may be the biggest question mark for the entire season.

OSU is the B1G cash cow and it seems like they tend to get these early season conference openers on the road. Happened at IU a few years ago on a Thursday night, Minnesota two years back, and this season. Opening a new starter on the road at a conference opponent is tough and its going to look ugly. It may look a little disjoined over the next two games, but they have the ability to work their kinks out.

As for Michigan winning by 40, they beat Eastern Carolina by pretty much the same margin. Not sure the week 1 overreactions are worth it.

[BuckeyeRed27]

OLine looked pretty poor, but you don't know if that is a performance or communication issue. They looked less bad in the 2nd half which was promising. I think Simmons may be the biggest question mark for the entire season.

OSU is the B1G cash cow and it seems like they tend to get these early season conference openers on the road. Happened at IU a few years ago on a Thursday night, Minnesota two years back, and this season. Opening a new starter on the road at a conference opponent is tough and its going to look ugly. It may look a little disjoined over the next two games, but they have the ability to work their kinks out.

As for Michigan winning by 40, they beat Eastern Carolina by pretty much the same margin. Not sure the week 1 overreactions are worth it.

Yeah the line is the big thing. Simmons was bad and Jackson actually graded out lower. Three new starters is a lot and they have some time to get better. They can still beat ND without excellent line play, but they can’t win the against the back half of the schedule if it doesn’t get a lot better.

I’m not worried about the red zone and third down execution stuff that will get better.

[bucksfan2]

Yeah the line is the big thing. Simmons was bad and Jackson actually graded out lower. Three new starters is a lot and they have some time to get better. They can still beat ND without excellent line play, but they can’t win the against the back half of the schedule if it doesn’t get a lot better.

I’m not worried about the red zone and third down execution stuff that will get better.

I guess here is where I am at. McCord makes the right read (and its a fairly easy one) he walks into the endzone. Also the MHJ TD should have counted (I thought in college you can be shoved out of bounds and come back in when you establish being in bounds again.) And you should expect Tate to catch that ball down by the goaline right before half (also could have been a targeting call.) All of a sudden three plays you expect an offense like OSU is going to make and that adds 12 more points. I think the expectation should have been something more akin to this in their first game. I also don't think you want a team peaking the first day of the season.

Sat was the nature of college football when you are replacing as many guys as OSU did off of last years team. And at the same time, you look at the defense where they returned a ton, and that is exactly what is expected.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I guess here is where I am at. McCord makes the right read (and its a fairly easy one) he walks into the endzone. Also the MHJ TD should have counted (I thought in college you can be shoved out of bounds and come back in when you establish being in bounds again.) And you should expect Tate to catch that ball down by the goaline right before half (also could have been a targeting call.) All of a sudden three plays you expect an offense like OSU is going to make and that adds 12 more points. I think the expectation should have been something more akin to this in their first game. I also don't think you want a team peaking the first day of the season.

Sat was the nature of college football when you are replacing as many guys as OSU did off of last years team. And at the same time, you look at the defense where they returned a ton, and that is exactly what is expected.

Yeah I agree, there is certainly a version of that game where Buckeye fans are feeling pretty good. I thought the Marv penalty was stupid too. You can’t run for 20 yards out of bounds, but if you get shoved you can run the route. Either way, it was a really nice toss from McCord.

[RedTeamGo!]

I guess here is where I am at. McCord makes the right read (and its a fairly easy one) he walks into the endzone. Also the MHJ TD should have counted (I thought in college you can be shoved out of bounds and come back in when you establish being in bounds again.) And you should expect Tate to catch that ball down by the goaline right before half (also could have been a targeting call.) All of a sudden three plays you expect an offense like OSU is going to make and that adds 12 more points. I think the expectation should have been something more akin to this in their first game. I also don't think you want a team peaking the first day of the season.

Sat was the nature of college football when you are replacing as many guys as OSU did off of last years team. And at the same time, you look at the defense where they returned a ton, and that is exactly what is expected.

I really didn't understand why that wasn't targeting. The announcers didn't even talk about it. Bizarre.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I really didn't understand why that wasn't targeting. The announcers didn't even talk about it. Bizarre.

I think they did, I think Danielson said something about how they could buzz down to review it and then they just kinda moved on. It was even weirder after that second play of the game which wasn’t even close to targeting that they did review.

Not that it mattered but I thought the reds in general were horrendous.

[RedTeamGo!]

As for Michigan winning by 40, they beat Eastern Carolina by pretty much the same margin. Not sure the week 1 overreactions are worth it.

The difference was Michigan wasn't trying, Ohio State was.

The Buckeyes just couldn't get much going at all, was definitely alarming to me. At points McCord looked like he was about to start crying on the field. I am not sold on him at all. Even more alarming is it seems Day is terrified of letting Brown throw the ball.

Day very famously said the reason he takes a top QB recruit every year is because "what if you are wrong?" I am starting to think he was wrong 2 years in a row. Let's pray they are not wrong about Kleinholz and Noland.

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the reds in general were horrendous.

and have been since the mid 90s!

[bucksfan2]

The difference was Michigan wasn't trying, Ohio State was.

The Buckeyes just couldn't get much going at all, was definitely alarming to me. At points McCord looked like he was about to start crying on the field. I am not sold on him at all. Even more alarming is it seems Day is terrified of letting Brown throw the ball.

Day very famously said the reason he takes a top QB recruit every year is because "what if you are wrong?" I am starting to think he was wrong 2 years in a row. Let's pray they are not wrong about Kleinholz and Noland.

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and have been since the mid 90s!

Stroud and Fields all had similar debuts. I have little to no fear in the QB position on this team.

[RedTeamGo!]

Stroud and Fields all had similar debuts. I have little to no fear in the QB position on this team.

People keep saying that about Fields. He had 5 TDs (4 throwing 1 running) in that first game against FAU on 18-25 passing. Don't get where people are getting that.

Stroud threw for 300 yards and 4 TDs 1 INT (we also found out after the fact he was playing hurt)

McCord had 0 TDs and an INT. And, it's McCord's third year in the program.

[BuckeyeRed27]

People keep saying that about Fields. He had 5 TDs (4 throwing 1 running) in that first game against FAU on 18-25 passing. Don't get where people are getting that.

Stroud threw for 300 yards and 4 TDs 1 INT (we also found out after the fact he was playing hurt)

McCord had 0 TDs and an INT. And, it's McCord's third year in the program.

I’m not sure Fields is comparable for a number of reasons.

Stroud had that goofy Minnesota game where we had like 4 big plays and nothing else. Strouds numbers were way better than he played in that game.

But the focus on the QB is a side show, he will be fine. He’s not gonna be the 2 pick in the draft and he doesn’t need to be. The O line is the issue that matters and the season depends on.

[bucksfan2]

I’m not sure Fields is comparable for a number of reasons.

Stroud had that goofy Minnesota game where we had like 4 big plays and nothing else. Strouds numbers were way better than he played in that game.

But the focus on the QB is a side show, he will be fine. He’s not gonna be the 2 pick in the draft and he doesn’t need to be. The O line is the issue that matters and the season depends on.

People were calling for Stroud's backup after his first couple of starts to the season. Some kid named Kyle McCord.

[RedTeamGo!]

People were calling for Stroud's backup after his first couple of starts to the season. Some kid named Kyle McCord.

And we found out after the fact Stroud was playing with a shoulder injury. McCord is healthy. I am not calling for his backup, I am simply saying, he looks mid.

[Phoenix2]

I was troubled by what I saw. The offense underwhelmed. McCord's body language was awful. He looked passive and dejected to me. Henderson just can't break into the open and go all Dobbins or Zeke. I want to believe and hope it was growing pains, first game, etc...but I have dialed back my expectations for the season. But on the good front, the Defense was great.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Henderson had a couple nice runs and looked pretty solid. Would love to see a screen pass or two when he’s in as well. I thought all the RBs had good games. A few times a block was whiffed, but not much you can do with that.

[RiverRat13]

The Quinn Ewers debacle may end up being what ends Ryan Day's tenure. I think he can survive one more loss to a loaded Michigan team... unless that loss is part of an 8-4 season. If Drew Allar were the starting QB (and he most likely would have been a Buckeye had Day not chased after the Ewers fool's gold), OSU would be a minimum 10-win team.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Quinn Ewers debacle may end up being what ends Ryan Day's tenure. I think he can survive one more loss to a loaded Michigan team... unless that loss is part of an 8-4 season. If Drew Allar were the starting QB (and he most likely would have been a Buckeye had Day not chased after the Ewers fool's gold), OSU would be a minimum 10-win team.

Bingo. I said it at the time. Why you would pass on the best QB the state of Ohio has produced in literally decades for a guy that was clearly chasing an NIL payday is beyond me. Tressell would have NEVER passed on Allar for Ewers. Never.

[bucksfan2]

Bingo. I said it at the time. Why you would pass on the best QB the state of Ohio has produced in literally decades for a guy that was clearly chasing an NIL payday is beyond me. Tressell would have NEVER passed on Allar for Ewers. Never.

Drew Allar wasn't coming to OSU because of Kyle McCord, not Quinn Ewers. Ewers was pretty much one of the weirder stories I have followed with a recruit. Texas kid committed to Texas who decided to decommit, commit to OSU and enroll a year early to get NIL money. OSU could have handled it better, but when the #1 overall recruit says he is going to come to your school, you listen. IMO Allar wasn't coming to OSU to sit behind McCord for two years, he was going somewhere he was going to play.

If I remember correctly, Allar was pretty much a late riser that PSU was on early, and stayed on. OSU tried to get back in on the recruitment to no avail. Would Tress have let Allar get out of Ohio, probably not, but Tress also wasn't getting CJ Stroud out of Cali, and if you want to build your roster around Ohio only kids, well you are going to end up like the OSU teams were late in Tressel's tenure, embarrassed on the big stage.

[RedTeamGo!]

Drew Allar wasn't coming to OSU because of Kyle McCord, not Quinn Ewers.

This is the first I have heard this. I followed that recruitment and I remember once Ewers committed to OSU Day and OSU completely shut down recruiting QBs, and when Ewers reclassed to year early they tried to reach out to Allar. The whole thing was a black eye for the program IMHO. I am so glad its looking like Ewers is a bust. Screw that guy.

[GAC]

It was the first game, and against a B10 oponnent. Sure, not a strong B10 opponent, but one just the same, and not some "cupcake" school from Frostbite Falls (lol). So I'm not going to make any predictions on the season based on one game.

But if OSU's O-line does not come together, which is the "heart" of your team, then they are going to have a rough season IMO. They have Youngstown State and Western Kentucky over the next two weeks to "work things out" before the big test in South Bend vs #10 Notre Dame. That game, IMO, may be very telling as to how good this team will be and how our season goes.

Day is supposedly a QB guru, so we'll see; but I'm not the biggest fan of McCord. ;)

[bucksfan2]

This is the first I have heard this. I followed that recruitment and I remember once Ewers committed to OSU Day and OSU completely shut down recruiting QBs, and when Ewers reclassed to year early they tried to reach out to Allar. The whole thing was a black eye for the program IMHO. I am so glad its looking like Ewers is a bust. Screw that guy.

It was my understanding that at the start Allar was an underrated guy, but was rising. PSU and Yurcich were in on him early while OSU was more in a wait and see mode. I don't remember when the officially offered, but it was later on in the process. Ewers was the #1 overall recruit, rated 1.000 on the composite index, you get a chance to go get him, you do. For as bad as that situation was, he did enroll and OSU got him on campus. As for looking like a bust, I don't know, he is still being mocked as a first rounder.

IMO Allar was not going to come to OSU with McCord on the team. He wasn't going to spend two years waiting when PSU was right there telling him he was going to start as a Soph. And yes OSU did circle back to Allar when Ewers left, but he has been committed to PSU for so long, nothing was happening unless Yurcich left.

You can pick and choose recruiting battles and say they screwed up here or there. Look at what is happening with the QB recruitment in the 2025 class. OSU went all in on Tavian St Clair, who at the time was rated lower than Ryan Montgomery, brother of Luke Montgomery. Both are Ohio kids, but Day chose St Clair over Montgomery. It happens all the time in recruiting, especially at QB when you really only get one shot per class, and even that gets muddied because some kids don't want to go to a program where they won't get to start until they are a Jr.

I don't think the losses to Michigan had anything to do with CJ Stroud or really even the offense. It was a defensive issue that kept them from winning those games. I don't think the idea that Tress would never have let that happen is correct. Tress was the one who sold everything he had to get Pryor on campus. I think any coach in the country when presented the offer to have the consensus top rated recruit, who is a QB, commit and enroll is going to jump at that. It doesn't always work out, we are dealing with 18 year old kids. And before we enshrine Drew Allar in Canton, lets see what he does in more than one game at PSU.

[GAC]

I just have a very uneasy feeling about this '23 team. What justification do have. Not much since they've only played one game; but the QB situation and this O-line especially concern me.

And here early in the 1Q it's 7-7, OSU's O-line has had two holding calls, and is now forced to punt after failing on 3rd and 11. I'm really skeptical of this young O-line.

[Roy Tucker]

OSU up 21-7. Kinda clunky day on offense and bailed out by a really dumb YSU penalty.

Not impressed so far by Devin Brown. Missing some throws to open receivers.

[GAC]

27-7 Egbuka nice catch and move on 4th down

64 total yards so far for OSU, as they nearv two minutes in the half. YS defensive line is getting penetration.

I agree Roy on QB Brown. If Bucks build a substantial lead then Brown needs to be in there the rest of the game to see what he can do.

[Roy Tucker]

27-7 Egbuka nice catch and move on 4th down

64 total yards so far for OSU, as they nearv two minutes in the half. YS defensive line is getting penetration.

I agree Roy on QB Brown. If Bucks build a substantial lead then Brown needs to be in there the rest of the game to see what he can do.

Buckeyes are running the ball decently but when your QB has 274 yds passing, there aren’t a lot of snaps left.

I’d give Brown a chance. McCord didn’t look good early last week but he got better as the game went on. Maybe Brown needs the snaps. We’ll see.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Little sloppy but not bad. McCord looks good and is clearly the guy. Brown maybe can be used for a change of pace if they wanna run the Urban JT Barrett offense for a drive or something.

Henderson looks very fast and making nice cuts which is good to see.

Still need more consistency and less mistakes from Simmons but there is progress from the O line.

Just keep throwing the ball to the first round NFL receivers should be a generally good plan.

[GAC]

Buckeyes are running the ball decently but when your QB has 274 yds passing, there aren’t a lot of snaps left.

There's another way to also look at that Roy. The reason for all the passing is because they are having difficulty running the ball. So thank God for the passing game LOL


I’d give Brown a chance. McCord didn’t look good early last week but he got better as the game went on. Maybe Brown needs the snaps. We’ll see.

:thumbup: no sense in risking injury to McCord with a large lead.

[GAC]

Really poor tackling by the Bucks GEEZ!

[BuckeyeRed27]

Textbook pick from Burke. Guy has made crazy improvements from last year.

[GAC]

So far, an uninspiring offensive performance in this 3Q by the Bucks.

And a missed opportunity there on that muffed punt that went into the endzone. Wow!

[GAC]

I'm really rootin' for the Cornhuskers vs Colorado LOL

[GAC]

Finally! a nice 30 yd TD run by Henderson. 35-7 Bucks

[GAC]

You get the ball down inside their 5 yd line, first and goal, and YS D-line embarrasses our O-line, and OSU walks away empty. :rolleyes:

Final 35 -7 OSU. One score the entire second half. YS advantage in time of possession 34 minutes to 26 for OSU.

[BuckeyeRed27]

You get the ball down inside their 5 yd line, first and goal, and YS D-line embarrasses our O-line, and OSU walks away empty. :rolleyes:

Final 35 -7 OSU. One score the entire second half. YS advantage in time of possession 34 minutes to 26 for OSU.

I mean that was a ridiculous holding call and should have been another TD, but whatever.

Gonna really have to get used to these clock rules. OSU had 22 plays the entire second half. Defense has to do a better job of getting off the field, but on these milk the clock drives they REALLY milk it.

[GAC]

I mean that was a ridiculous holding call and should have been another TD, but whatever.

Gonna really have to get used to these clock rules. OSU had 22 plays the entire second half. Defense has to do a better job of getting off the field, but on these milk the clock drives they REALLY milk it.

It sure looked like a hold to me. ;)

[BuckeyeRed27]

It sure looked like a hold to me. ;)

In a there is holding on every play way. Chip barrels him over and made a great fullback block. That shouldn’t be called.

This was like the C team officiating crew though, completely horrible. As soon as Marv got tackled in the end zone and no flag was called I knew we were in for a long day from that pack of morons.

[Roy Tucker]

In a there is holding on every play way. Chip barrels him over and made a great fullback block. That shouldn’t be called.

This was like the C team officiating crew though, completely horrible. As soon as Marv got tackled in the end zone and no flag was called I knew we were in for a long day from that pack of morons.

Yeah, I thought it was an extremely borderline call and saw many other more egregious holds not made. But that’s how things go. Not a good officiating day.

But I sound like a whiny Buckeye fan saying “but the refs”. Some good things happened today and they looked better than last week. I like improvement.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Yeah, I thought it was an extremely borderline call and saw many other more egregious holds not made. But that’s how things go. Not a good officiating day.

But I sound like a whiny Buckeye fan saying “but the refs”. Some good things happened today and they looked better than last week. I like improvement.

Yeah this was basically a glorified practice. Some good improvements, particularly in how McCord was making reads. O line play was better but has a way to go. Would like to see more pressure from the front 7. They are pretty disciplined and tackle well but haven’t been overly disruptive, at least not consistently. Hall had a couple drives and JT had a couple moments, but we gotta find it a lot more.

Lots of talent there, just keep coming together and have good game plans for the big games.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m honestly most concerned with the defensive ends. Sawyer and JTT are about 4 games away from being labeled busts in my book. Especially Sawyer. This is their junior season and these guys were top 10 overall recruits in the nation. JTT was the top rated overall recruit in the country. They should be absolutely blowing up multiple plays a game and you hear nothing from them. JTT looks like a linebacker and Sawyer looks slow.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I’m honestly most concerned with the defensive ends. Sawyer and JTT are about 4 games away from being labeled busts in my book. Especially Sawyer. This is their junior season and these guys were top 10 overall recruits in the nation. JTT was the top rated overall recruit in the country. They should be absolutely blowing up multiple plays a game and you hear nothing from them. JTT looks like a linebacker and Sawyer looks slow.

Indiana ran a triple option and Youngstown rarely ran a play where the QB had it for enough time to get pressure. JT actually had an excellent game. Sawyer, yeah I’m concerned. He gets off the snap slow and never pushes anyone back, he always goes around. Curry seems to make an impact albeit in limited duty, but Sawyer needs more.

[RedTeamGo!]

Indiana ran a triple option and Youngstown rarely ran a play where the QB had it for enough time to get pressure. JT actually had an excellent game. Sawyer, yeah I’m concerned. He gets off the snap slow and never pushes anyone back, he always goes around. Curry seems to make an impact albeit in limited duty, but Sawyer needs more.

They need to start playing Curry more IMHO. Sawyer honestly seems like a MAC level player to me at this point. I’d like to see more of Kenyatta Jackson too.

[Hillsdale87]

I’m honestly most concerned with the defensive ends. Sawyer and JTT are about 4 games away from being labeled busts in my book. Especially Sawyer. This is their junior season and these guys were top 10 overall recruits in the nation. JTT was the top rated overall recruit in the country. They should be absolutely blowing up multiple plays a game and you hear nothing from them. JTT looks like a linebacker and Sawyer looks slow.

There needs to be more heat on Larry Johnson


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[GAC]

Lets just say I'm a little worried at this stage. If this young O-line does not gel/improve, then they are in deep trouble when it comes to that high caliber competition they're going to face.

[RedTeamGo!]

Indiana ran a triple option and Youngstown rarely ran a play where the QB had it for enough time to get pressure. JT actually had an excellent game. Sawyer, yeah I’m concerned. He gets off the snap slow and never pushes anyone back, he always goes around. Curry seems to make an impact albeit in limited duty, but Sawyer needs more.

I get what you’re saying about JT. He is playing…fine. But, that’s not the kind of recruit he was. He was expected to be a Chase Young type. A DE that just absolutely blows up gameplans. He did it once against Penn State. Other than that he is just fine. He’s not going to hurt you, but that’s not what he is supposed to be doing. He should be living in the QBs face and getting multiple sacks a game. He often disappears. He’s not supposed to be the type of player you have to look up PFF grades to determine if he played well or not. He is supposed to be the type of player you hear the announcers saying “JT with ANOTHER big play!”

[bucksfan2]

I get what you’re saying about JT. He is playing…fine. But, that’s not the kind of recruit he was. He was expected to be a Chase Young type. A DE that just absolutely blows up gameplans. He did it once against Penn State. Other than that he is just fine. He’s not going to hurt you, but that’s not what he is supposed to be doing. He should be living in the QBs face and getting multiple sacks a game. He often disappears. He’s not supposed to be the type of player you have to look up PFF grades to determine if he played well or not. He is supposed to be the type of player you hear the announcers saying “JT with ANOTHER big play!”

Really? I know he was a massive recruit, and the comparisons to Chase may have been because he was a highly rated DE, but their games aren't that similar. I think JT does the dirty stuff well, plays the run well, but doesn't have the elite burst that Young had, nor the bend.

Sawyer has been disappointing to say the least. When you look back at his career so far, he took his senior season in HS off, spent year two at OSU playing in between Jack and DE, just never has developed any consistency. A lot of that is on him, but some of it is on the staff yo-yoing him.

I didn't get to watch the YSU game, and I know you don't really have a chance to get a rush against a triple option team. But I am curious if its the quick passing game that YSU had, or OSU lack of rush, or a little bit of both.

[RedTeamGo!]

Really? I know he was a massive recruit, and the comparisons to Chase may have been because he was a highly rated DE, but their games aren't that similar. I think JT does the dirty stuff well, plays the run well, but doesn't have the elite burst that Young had, nor the bend.

Sawyer has been disappointing to say the least. When you look back at his career so far, he took his senior season in HS off, spent year two at OSU playing in between Jack and DE, just never has developed any consistency. A lot of that is on him, but some of it is on the staff yo-yoing him.

I didn't get to watch the YSU game, and I know you don't really have a chance to get a rush against a triple option team. But I am curious if its the quick passing game that YSU had, or OSU lack of rush, or a little bit of both.


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Powerful, athletic and nimble, with room to still add significant weight at the next level. Has lined up on the edge, mixing with hand down while also standing up. Elite pass rusher, who can mix a variety of moves with pure strength to shed his blockers. Can drop into coverage against running backs, receivers and tight ends and has the athleticism and ball skills to be a force in coverage. Has even played safety. Could be a top tight end prospect if he focused on offense, with natural pass-catching skills, ability to track the ball and high point it and run after the catch. Also a high-major basketball player, averaging nearly a double-double in prep career. As he continues to add weight and strength, figures to be among the elite pass-rushers at the next level. Projects as an instant impact Power 5-starter and a Top Ten overall draft pick.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

I get what you’re saying about JT. He is playing…fine. But, that’s not the kind of recruit he was. He was expected to be a Chase Young type. A DE that just absolutely blows up gameplans. He did it once against Penn State. Other than that he is just fine. He’s not going to hurt you, but that’s not what he is supposed to be doing. He should be living in the QBs face and getting multiple sacks a game. He often disappears. He’s not supposed to be the type of player you have to look up PFF grades to determine if he played well or not. He is supposed to be the type of player you hear the announcers saying “JT with ANOTHER big play!”

Yeah I think it’s just consistency at this point. Like you said he completely wrecked Penn St last year and had lots of good moments. I don’t think you can really use these first two games to judge pass rush. YSU completed 17 passes for 5 yards a pass, they were just dumping it off asap.

This WKU game actually should be a decent test because all that team does is throw. And if Hartman is standing back there for 5 seconds in a couple weeks I’ll be concerned. That said I’m not expecting that.

[bucksfan2]

Cam Heyward and Chase Young are two completely different players. I would argue he is on a Cam Heyward path, so yea good comparison.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It sure looked like a hold to me. ;)

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/09/140781/big-ten-officials-acknowledge-erroneous-penalty-call-that-nullified-ohio-state-touchdown-for-second-straight-week#comments

Big Ten officials told Ryan Day it wasn’t a hold FWIW

[bucksfan2]

So McCord was officially named QB1 today. I wonder if you will start to see some growth with him getting the majority of the 1st team reps in practice. I also wondering if not having to look over his shoulder at Brown will help.

I also think this may help Brown settle down a bit. Playing within himself and not trying to make the great play.

[RedTeamGo!]

So McCord was officially named QB1 today. I wonder if you will start to see some growth with him getting the majority of the 1st team reps in practice. I also wondering if not having to look over his shoulder at Brown will help.

I also think this may help Brown settle down a bit. Playing within himself and not trying to make the great play.

I would guess Brown transferring is a matter of when and not if right now

[BuckeyeRed27]

I would guess Brown transferring is a matter of when and not if right now

It wouldn’t be shocking if he left after the season. McCord isn’t leaving after this year barring something pleasantly crazy happening and will be the assumed starter next year. None of the guys coming in are sure fire, so Brown would have a big advantage in 2025. But he could also transfer to like Utah or ucla or something and he would be the starter next year and have 3 years left so

[RedTeamGo!]

It wouldn’t be shocking if he left after the season. McCord isn’t leaving after this year barring something pleasantly crazy happening and will be the assumed starter next year. None of the guys coming in are sure fire, so Brown would have a big advantage in 2025. But he could also transfer to like Utah or ucla or something and he would be the starter next year and have 3 years left so

He wouldn't be starter at UCLA

I could see him going to Utah, Arizona, or Arizona St though.

Yeah, I just mean he will be gone after this year. I would assume McCord will stick around, but I could see Kleinholtz beating him out for starting spot in 2024.

[BuckeyeRed27]

He wouldn't be starter at UCLA

I could see him going to Utah, Arizona, or Arizona St though.

Yeah, I just mean he will be gone after this year. I would assume McCord will stick around, but I could see Kleinholtz beating him out for starting spot in 2024.

I’m a huge fan of South Dakota Tebow!

[Kingspoint]

Calvin Ridley did Ohio State proud this weekend.

[RedTeamGo!]

Calvin Ridley did Ohio State proud this weekend.

I think Ridley went to Bama

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think Ridley went to Bama

We are all very proud of Calvin.

[Kingspoint]

I think Ridley went to Bama

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[RedTeamGo!]

Garrett Wilson went to OSU, though

[bucksfan2]

He wouldn't be starter at UCLA

I could see him going to Utah, Arizona, or Arizona St though.

Yeah, I just mean he will be gone after this year. I would assume McCord will stick around, but I could see Kleinholtz beating him out for starting spot in 2024.

I would imagine there 'may' be a battle in spring ball again. A lot of it depends on how well McCord plays this year. Its no secret that Day is considered one of the best QB developers in the game today. While Brown won't be getting 1st team reps, he still will get developed this year by Day. At this time, the question is whether or not he transfers after the season or after spring.

I would seriously doubt that McCord is gone to the NFL after this season, but stranger things have happened. And if McCord struggles this season, there is a chance Brown is the starting QB at some point this year.

The transfer portal has made things in college football crazy. I would argue that being the backup QB at OSU during the season, in essence one snap away, is a far better job than most starting QB possessions in the country.

[Hillsdale87]

Yikes. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see McCord becoming good enough


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[RedTeamGo!]

It’s so ridiculous that AT&T customers haven’t had fox for two months. What a joke.

[Roy Tucker]

Buckeye defense needs to practice recovering fumbles.

[Roy Tucker]

OSU pillages the WKY defense with a 35 point second quarter. 42-10 at the half.

[BuckeyeRed27]

See y’all in south bend.

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Yikes. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see McCord becoming good enough


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Wanna make any updates?

[Hillsdale87]

Wanna make any updates?

I'm considering it [emoji1]. We'll see how he does next week. I still don't feel great about his ability to process quickly and get the ball where it needs to be against pressure, but I hope he proves me wrong


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[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm considering it [emoji1]. We'll see how he does next week. I still don't feel great about his ability to process quickly and get the ball where it needs to be against pressure, but I hope he proves me wrong


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He was just trying to hit a home run on that fumble. He’s been pretty excellent

[Roy Tucker]

63-10 final. Buckeyes made some strides forward today. McCord came back from a wobbly 1Q and a fumble. I feel better about next week against ND.

[Hillsdale87]

He was just trying to hit a home run on that fumble. He’s been pretty excellent

It looked like he had Marvin on the post. We're all spoiled by going from Haskins to Fields to Stroud, so I know my expectations are probably unrealistic, but I just don't have a ton of confidence. Next week will be huge and I'm rooting for him to make me look like an idiot


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[RedTeamGo!]

It looked like he had Marvin on the post. We're all spoiled by going from Haskins to Fields to Stroud, so I know my expectations are probably unrealistic, but I just don't have a ton of confidence. Next week will be huge and I'm rooting for him to make me look like an idiot


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He should have just thrown that ball early high and far and let Marvin do his thing. If he had he would have had a perfect game. Learning experience.

[bucksfan2]

McCord needed time and reps. I think the qb battle as well as opening the season on the road against IU hurt his development a little bit. He looks like he is getting better with each start, but still has some growing to do.

I wasn't really watching the game, but on the fumble, he needs to learn to throw the ball up to Marv in certain situations. Someone also said, whey did they go max protect there?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Headed to South Bend this afternoon. I’ve been to one game at ND before, but I’m really excited for this one.

[RedTeamGo!]

Headed to South Bend this afternoon. I’ve been to one game at ND before, but I’m really excited for this one.

Nice, looks like we found out BuckeyeRed is a millionaire, sheesh those tickets are expensive

Have fun!

[BuckeyeRed27]

Nice, looks like we found out BuckeyeRed is a millionaire, sheesh those tickets are expensive

Have fun!

The DINK lifestyle has many benefits my friend.

Actually I got a really good deal. They were still stupid expensive, but like $200 less than what has been the going rate. Got a guy panic selling at 7am last Saturday and immediately bought them. I’m going to thank my dog for wanting to go for an early walk.

[*BaseClogger*]

Headed to South Bend this afternoon. I’ve been to one game at ND before, but I’m really excited for this one.

Go Bucks!

[RedTeamGo!]

The DINK lifestyle has many benefits my friend.

Actually I got a really good deal. They were still stupid expensive, but like $200 less than what has been the going rate. Got a guy panic selling at 7am last Saturday and immediately bought them. I’m going to thank my dog for wanting to go for an early walk.

DINK?

[WVRed]

DINK?Dual Income, No Kids

I had to Google it.

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[RedTeamGo!]

Ah, I guess that makes me a MOITK

Mostly One Income Two Kids

[BuckeyeRed27]

Ah, I guess that makes me a MOITK

Mostly One Income Two Kids

Haha sorry I thought that was a more widely known phrase.

[Hillsdale87]

Not a great start, but good enough. Time for McCord to settle in


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[mhs95_06]

Where was that call of short of the line to gain on 4th down in the game against GA in last year's play-off game, when they called it a first down when it was clearly short by 4 times as much.

[Hillsdale87]

Not a great start, but good enough. Time for McCord to settle in


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Or not... Gotta get some plays for Harrison


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[Hillsdale87]

Not sure what this defensive plan is. D line is getting pressure, but the secondary is playing so soft that guys are wide open underneath


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[Hillsdale87]

I still feel good about what I said last week. McCord is not good


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[Hillsdale87]

McCord processes so slowly


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[Hillsdale87]

Ugh. McCord got in rhythm and looked great. Egbuka has to catch that


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[Hillsdale87]

OSU D needs to step up here to hold. Getting mauled on the ground right now


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[RedTeamGo!]

WRs are allowed to throw defenders to the ground?

[Hillsdale87]

Offense needs to do something. Defense is exhausted


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[Hillsdale87]

WRs are allowed to throw defenders to the ground?

That was inside 5 yards. I think that was fine. Davison I just got bodied


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[RedTeamGo!]

The defense is clearly gassed. Inexcusable for OSU to only have 10 points at this point of the game with the amount of firepower the team has on that side of the ball. ND deserves credit for a good defensive performance, but McCord simply ain’t it.

[Hillsdale87]

Bad spot on that Henderson run. He got to the 10


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[RedTeamGo!]

Pathetic playcall on short yardage

[Hillsdale87]

Ryan Day's ability to mismanage a game is unmatched


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[RedTeamGo!]

Day has lost his touch. I think he’s a good HC, but he’s got to give up playcalling. The rest of the country has him figured out. Pathetic performance tonight. Absolutely pathetic.

[Hillsdale87]

Day has lost his touch. I think he’s a good HC, but he’s got to give up playcalling. The rest of the country has him figured out. Pathetic performance tonight. Absolutely pathetic.

Also time for a new DL coach. Too much talent doing nothing


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[Hillsdale87]

How do we not call a timeout?!?!


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[RedTeamGo!]

Wow wow wow wow wow

[Hillsdale87]

Unbelievable. I still don't have faith in McCord, but he made some huge throws on that drive. Hopefully he can build on it


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[Hillsdale87]

Love the passion from Day in the interview. Please bring that fire to the playcalling from now on


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[Roy Tucker]

Day was riled up. Love seeing that.

[*BaseClogger*]

Just a really good football game. Probably the most fun I’ve had watching the sport since the Rose Bowl against Utah.

[kaldaniels]

It seems to be valid but the Twitter is saying the great Marcus Freeman’s defense only had 10 guys on the field THE LAST TWO PLAYS!!!!!

[kaldaniels]

Also - poor call by ND only rushing 3 guys on the 3rd and 19. Basically if OSU doesn’t get the first down (or TD) and stays in bounds the game is over. Send a rush (or at least a nominal 4 man) and force a quick throw and the game is over.

[oregonred]

Osu has won 12 of the last 13 road games against ranked opponents

[Danny Serafini]

I have never loved Ryan Day more than I did in his post game interview. That was amazing.

[RedTeamGo!]

I have never loved Ryan Day more than I did in his post game interview. That was amazing.

The national reaction to it is cracking me up. It really does show its Ohio against the world. When day keeps his mouth shut and doesn’t say anything people call him soft and a quitter. He gets passionate and tells the world his team is tough and they are sick of hearing otherwise, and he’s called soft. Lean into the villain role. F it.

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Also time for a new DL coach. Too much talent doing nothing


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I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. The absolute busts that JTT and Sawyer have become should result in LJ being forced to retire. It’s time.

I just feel as if JTT went to Bama he would have like 20 sacks this year and be a Heisman finalist.

[*BaseClogger*]

The national reaction from my perspective is one of mutual disdain for Lou Holtz.

[Todd Gack]

The national reaction from my perspective is one of mutual disdain for Lou Holtz.

I just laughed at Holtz's comments because he looks like a 95 year-old-man who's being spoonfed applesauce everyday.

And I laughed at Ryan Day actually getting all fired up over a 95-year-old man who's being spoonfed applesauce everyday. It was even worse because Day had a terrible day as a Head Coach who was only horrifically undercoached by the guy on the other side of the field.

[RedTeamGo!]

I just laughed at Holtz's comments because he looks like a 95 year-old-man who's being spoonfed applesauce everyday.

And I laughed at Ryan Day actually getting all fired up over a 95-year-old man who's being spoonfed applesauce everyday. It was even worse because Day had a terrible day as a Head Coach who was only horrifically undercoached by the guy on the other side of the field.

Cope

[Todd Gack]

Cope

:shrug

Day's just a weird dude. That tantrum seemed forced. He seems paranoid/self-conscious about a lot of things. He seems to be underwhelming as a coach with as much talent as he's had. I suppose we'll find out if he can finally Hang 100 on Michigan in November.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Hahaha that was so awesome, I can’t believe I was there for that. The last 5 minutes of that game was basically a movie script.

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:shrug

Day's just a weird dude. That tantrum seemed forced. He seems paranoid/self-conscious about a lot of things. He seems to be underwhelming as a coach with as much talent as he's had. I suppose we'll find out if he can finally Hang 100 on Michigan in November.

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The national reaction to it is cracking me up. It really does show its Ohio against the world. When day keeps his mouth shut and doesn’t say anything people call him soft and a quitter. He gets passionate and tells the world his team is tough and they are sick of hearing otherwise, and he’s called soft. Lean into the villain role. F it.

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I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. The absolute busts that JTT and Sawyer have become should result in LJ being forced to retire. It’s time.

I just feel as if JTT went to Bama he would have like 20 sacks this year and be a Heisman finalist.

JT was a beast in that game what are you talking about? He was absolutely everywhere and turned Hartman into a check down artist.

[kaldaniels]

I’m seeing a lot of tough Buckeye fans/critics elsewhere talking about how McCord grew up last night and will be fine…

But with :42 left he threw a pass that should have been a game-ending INT for ND but the easy catch was dropped.

So I’m not quite there with Kyle just yet.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m seeing a lot of tough Buckeye fans/critics elsewhere talking about how McCord grew up last night and will be fine…

But with :42 left he threw a pass that should have been a game-ending INT for ND but the easy catch was dropped.

So I’m not quite there with Kyle just yet.

On the flip side, I was impressed that poor throw didn’t rattle him and he came right back and threw a dime on third and 19 for first down at the 1

[Redsfaithful]

That 3rd and 19 throw was cold blooded. I'm a believer.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hahaha that was so awesome, I can’t believe I was there for that. The last 5 minutes of that game was basically a movie script.

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JT was a beast in that game what are you talking about? He was absolutely everywhere and turned Hartman into a check down artist.

JT is a quarter way through his third and final season and has 16 TFL and 7 sacks. Zero sacks so far this year. Not good. With JT’s pedigree he shouldn’t be the guy that makes the QB throw early. He’s the guy that should be throwing the QB to the turf for a 10 yard loss multiple times a game. The lack of sacks for OSU DE’s since Chase Young left is disturbing.

[Hillsdale87]

JT is a quarter way through his third and final season and has 16 TFL and 7 sacks. Zero sacks so far this year. Not good. With JT’s pedigree he shouldn’t be the guy that makes the QB throw early. He’s the guy that should be throwing the QB to the turf for a 10 yard loss multiple times a game. The lack of sacks for OSU DE’s since Chase Young left is disturbing.

JTT and Sawyer have been fine. Definitely not bad, but they were recruited to be game wreckers. They're unfortunately on the Zach Harrison career path - good players, but production never aligning with talent. It's concerning that Jean Baptiste left OSU and then at ND appears as productive as those 2


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[BuckeyeRed27]

JT is a quarter way through his third and final season and has 16 TFL and 7 sacks. Zero sacks so far this year. Not good. With JT’s pedigree he shouldn’t be the guy that makes the QB throw early. He’s the guy that should be throwing the QB to the turf for a 10 yard loss multiple times a game. The lack of sacks for OSU DE’s since Chase Young left is disturbing.

I really don’t give a crap about the stats. Chase Young and Nick Bosa are unicorns. If you can’t appreciate what JT did last night and all season so far I just can’t help you.

And he had a massive sack against ND on their last drive, so he’s got at least 1.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I’m seeing a lot of tough Buckeye fans/critics elsewhere talking about how McCord grew up last night and will be fine…

But with :42 left he threw a pass that should have been a game-ending INT for ND but the easy catch was dropped.

So I’m not quite there with Kyle just yet.

Kyle McCord was in no way ready for that drive. It was like baby Bambi leaning to walk. And he did it.

The offense has to keep getting better and hopefully they will and maybe that drive will be a big step. Luckily the defense is good enough for the first time in forever that the offense doesn’t have to be lights out to win.

[RedTeamGo!]

I really don’t give a crap about the stats. Chase Young and Nick Bosa are unicorns. If you can’t appreciate what JT did last night and all season so far I just can’t help you.

And he had a massive sack against ND on their last drive, so he’s got at least 1.

It’s not about the stats. Sacks wreck gameplans. JTT doesn’t get them. He’s Zach Harrison 2.0.

[kaldaniels]

On the flip side, I was impressed that poor throw didn’t rattle him and he came right back and threw a dime on third and 19 for first down at the 1

1000%.

The 4th down throw and the 3rd and 19 were huge. Hell of a couple of throws.

But simply put, if the ND defender understands how to squeeze his arms around the football we are singing a different tune today.

That said. A bye week and a couple of “alleged”…Maryland was no cakewalk last year….tune-up games. Let’s put the work in and get it done Kyle.

[kaldaniels]

Also, start game-planning to get the ball to Egbuka and Fleming. They are more than capable and if and when teams want to shut down MH2, they will be open.

[bucksfan2]

I got home just in time to watch the last 7 minutes of game time. I am going to be honest, I thought it was over when they were stopped 4th and 1 inside the ND 10. ND was gashing them in the run game at that point, I saw no way OSU was getting the ball back. Then JTT went to work. I don't get the claims he is a bust, he isn't the edge rusher that Chase or Bosa is, but he is a heck of a run stopper, and can take over a game (see PSU and ND.) His stop on 1st down enabled OSU to get back in the game. It forced ND to make the decision to throw the ball, just a huge sequence of plays from him.

I think if you look back, this season is progressing like it should have for OSU. Two new tackles (replacing two starting NFL tackles) an new C, and a new QB. There should have been some growing pains with this roster, but one thing that has looked solid all year long is the D. When you look back at the ND game, they held an offense with a late round NFL draft pick QB, two first roundish NFL tackles to 14 points total, away, at night. That is one heck of a performance.

I think the key for the rest of the season is how does McCord and this OLine develop. I think they have done a good job in pass pro, if they continue to develop on schedule, this can be a dangerous, national championship caliber team soon.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It’s not about the stats. Sacks wreck gameplans. JTT doesn’t get them. He’s Zach Harrison 2.0.

I’m sorry this really can’t be more wrong. Sacks would be nice as a cherry on the sundae. JT is completely elite. He wins 1 on 1 all the time, probably among the highest rates in college football. He blows up run plays and is always in the backfield.

We do not win Saturday without him. What he did after we got stuffed on 4th and 1 to get the ball back is special stuff.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Also, start game-planning to get the ball to Egbuka and Fleming. They are more than capable and if and when teams want to shut down MH2, they will be open.

I was sitting in the end zone where Chip scored so had a nice view of all the plays developing going towards TD Jesus. I think it was in the second quarter and Fleming ran a post and absolutely toasted the corner. McCord came off the look a second to early and checked it down for a decent gain, but he had a 70 yard TD to Fleming. I bet that’s there a lot, it was a beautiful route.

[Hillsdale87]

I’m sorry this really can’t be more wrong. Sacks would be nice as a cherry on the sundae. JT is completely elite. He wins 1 on 1 all the time, probably among the highest rates in college football. He blows up run plays and is always in the backfield.

We do not win Saturday without him. What he did after we got stuffed on 4th and 1 to get the ball back is special stuff.

His pass rush win rate last year was actually pretty poor. He came up huge at the end of the game on Saturday, which was great. But I don't think it's unfair for OSU fans to expect more dominance out of a line with 2 5* DEs and 2 potential first round picks at DT. They're solid, good players. But OSU needs to be able to get after the QB more consistently. I know ND has an elite OL, but there should be more production.

Considering the lack of production after Chase Young, I think it's reasonable to pin more of this on the coaching than the players. But either way the DL needs to be more disruptive.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

His pass rush win rate last year was actually pretty poor. He came up huge at the end of the game on Saturday, which was great. But I don't think it's unfair for OSU fans to expect more dominance out of a line with 2 5* DEs and 2 potential first round picks at DT. They're solid, good players. But OSU needs to be able to get after the QB more consistently. I know ND has an elite OL, but there should be more production.

Considering the lack of production after Chase Young, I think it's reasonable to pin more of this on the coaching than the players. But either way the DL needs to be more disruptive.


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I think the gripes on last years line were fair. Really in the entire defense. That is not what’s going on this year.

The only issue they have right now getting off the field fast. They are allowing a lot of underneath stuff and short runs. It’s a very bend don’t break type mentality. That’s also being caused because the line is getting pressure and forcing quick passes and no one is throwing at Burke so there aren’t a lot of options.

[bucksfan2]

I think the gripes on last years line were fair. Really in the entire defense. That is not what’s going on this year.

The only issue they have right now getting off the field fast. They are allowing a lot of underneath stuff and short runs. It’s a very bend don’t break type mentality. That’s also being caused because the line is getting pressure and forcing quick passes and no one is throwing at Burke so there aren’t a lot of options.

I wonder how much of the game plan played into JTT and Sawyer playing most of the snaps? I don't think its a secret that Caden Curry and Keynata Jackson are better edge rushers than JTT and Sawyer, but if a game in which you are going up against two early round draft picks, put the guys in there who may do a better job of holding up against the run. It appeared as if OSU was content letting Hartman dink and dunk the ball preventing the deep shots. Had they used that strategy last season, they are national champs because they let Michigan get back into the game early with all or nothing calls allowing two very easy passing TD's and Martinez was beaten on a island against Georgia.

Now the offense isn't what it was last year, but it can get close. Lets see what kind of steps McCord takes going forward after his ND game. But it appears as of the D is worlds better than last years.

[Hillsdale87]

I think the gripes on last years line were fair. Really in the entire defense. That is not what’s going on this year.

The only issue they have right now getting off the field fast. They are allowing a lot of underneath stuff and short runs. It’s a very bend don’t break type mentality. That’s also being caused because the line is getting pressure and forcing quick passes and no one is throwing at Burke so there aren’t a lot of options.

I would guess that all 11 starters on this team will play in the NFL, and many will be first round picks. Bend but don't break is fine, but with this kind of talent they should be scaring offenses and making plays.

They gave up 17 against ND, so it's definitely not like the defense is bad. I think they're very good but also think they should be more dominant. I'm looking at everything in relation to Georgia. The defense needs to be good enough to beat Georgia, and I see no reason why this collection of talent shouldn't be equally dominant.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

I would guess that all 11 starters on this team will play in the NFL, and many will be first round picks. Bend but don't break is fine, but with this kind of talent they should be scaring offenses and making plays.

They gave up 17 against ND, so it's definitely not like the defense is bad. I think they're very good but also think they should be more dominant. I'm looking at everything in relation to Georgia. The defense needs to be good enough to beat Georgia, and I see no reason why this collection of talent shouldn't be equally dominant.


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Fine but Georgia gave up more yards and points to UAB this weekend than OSU did to ND.

[RedTeamGo!]

Fine but Georgia gave up more yards and points to UAB this weekend than OSU did to ND.

Eh, that doesn't really mean anything and you know it.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Eh, that doesn't really mean anything and you know it.

I get a little sick of both Ohio State fans and the media constantly playing Georgia or Alabama or Michigan in some hypothetical matchup no matter who is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

It sets this expectation of how perfect OSU has to be and OSU and only OSU has flaws and if they turned in that same performance against hypothetical Georgia or Michigan that we would have lost, therefore that performance wasn’t good enough. It’s exhausting and we have to stop it. Worry about Georgia or Michigan when you are playing Georgia or Michigan. Georgia doesn’t breathe fire out their arse and shoot lightning bolts out their eyes. The team we spent all season freaking out about last year was just as good and should have won.

So that’s why it means something. They aren’t having mythical performances. They have ups and downs, just like OSU.

You can just enjoy an absolute all time classic win. It doesn’t have to be anything else other than that.

[Redsfaithful]

Eh, that doesn't really mean anything and you know it.

Allowing 34 points in 4 games is impressive though, I don't care who the competition is.

[Hillsdale87]

I get a little sick of both Ohio State fans and the media constantly playing Georgia or Alabama or Michigan in some hypothetical matchup no matter who is on the other side of the line of scrimmage.

It sets this expectation of how perfect OSU has to be and OSU and only OSU has flaws and if they turned in that same performance against hypothetical Georgia or Michigan that we would have lost, therefore that performance wasn’t good enough. It’s exhausting and we have to stop it. Worry about Georgia or Michigan when you are playing Georgia or Michigan. Georgia doesn’t breathe fire out their arse and shoot lightning bolts out their eyes. The team we spent all season freaking out about last year was just as good and should have won.

So that’s why it means something. They aren’t having mythical performances. They have ups and downs, just like OSU.

You can just enjoy an absolute all time classic win. It doesn’t have to be anything else other than that.

I'm a spoiled OSU fan. I can admit that. I'm super pumped about the win on Saturday. Definitely needed that while the Reds season imploded. However, like most fans, I'm always looking forward to the end of the season and what this means for the playoff. Meyer + Day have created a standard of excellence such that OSU is now judged almost exclusively on whether they beat Michigan and whether they make noise in the playoff. They're extremely lofty expectations, but that's the unique stratosphere OSU is in right now.

I agree that we shouldn't dig too much into one bad game as they happen every week with good teams, even title contenders. Georgia almost lost to Missouri last year, struggled with South Carolina this year, Michigan has looked mediocre the last couple weeks, etc. But I don't think that's what the people expressing concern about either McCord or the DL are doing. OSU is good enough to beat most teams even when they play their B or C game, and I'll take a road win against a top 10 team in any fashion.

I'm less concerned with a shaky performance than I am with the seeming inability to reach a high ceiling. In order to beat Georgia, they need to be able to reach a high ceiling. For the past few years we've all known that OSU has not been able to pressure the QB enough sending 4. What have you seen this year that would make you think differently? I'm not super confident in McCord, but it's his first time starting, and maybe he will be a different QB by the time they play PSU. But this is a veteran and extremely talented DL. From a recruiting rankings perspective they're above even the WRs, and so I'm confused as to why they're not more dominant


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[RedTeamGo!]

So that’s why it means something. They aren’t having mythical performances. They have ups and downs, just like OSU.

You can just enjoy an absolute all time classic win. It doesn’t have to be anything else other than that.

I absolutely enjoyed the game and win. was an all-timer. Doesn't mean we can't talk about the players and team after.

And I am just saying Georgia vs UAB is not comparable. Georgia was likely playing backups for chunks of the game and also just not really trying hard. OSU vs ND was starters vs starters all game long. Different animal.

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Allowing 34 points in 4 games is impressive though, I don't care who the competition is.

I absolutely agree

[BuckeyeRed27]

I absolutely enjoyed the game and win. was an all-timer. Doesn't mean we can't talk about the players and team after.

And I am just saying Georgia vs UAB is not comparable. Georgia was likely playing backups for chunks of the game and also just not really trying hard. OSU vs ND was starters vs starters all game long. Different animal.

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I absolutely agree

Georgia was in a 2 TD game for a large chunk of the day. They’ve had, let’s generously call them sluggish performances back to back weeks against let’s generously call them mediocre teams. This is kinda my point.

I’m certainly fine discussing the games, players, coaching, etc and that’s not my point. It’s when it gets this perpetually negative air to it, that it’s just never good enough, or anything short of absolute perfection is a failing (I’m not saying you are Hillsdale are specifically doing that).

OSU legitimately might have the best defense in the nation and if it’s not the best it’s really close to it. Now the best at anything can still get better, so again I’m fine talking about where the soft spots are. But getting wound up on sack numbers for a unit that is putting a lot of pressure and making teams speed up and impacting game plans really seems like missing the forest through the trees to me.

[bucksfan2]

I'm a spoiled OSU fan. I can admit that. I'm super pumped about the win on Saturday. Definitely needed that while the Reds season imploded. However, like most fans, I'm always looking forward to the end of the season and what this means for the playoff. Meyer + Day have created a standard of excellence such that OSU is now judged almost exclusively on whether they beat Michigan and whether they make noise in the playoff. They're extremely lofty expectations, but that's the unique stratosphere OSU is in right now.

I agree that we shouldn't dig too much into one bad game as they happen every week with good teams, even title contenders. Georgia almost lost to Missouri last year, struggled with South Carolina this year, Michigan has looked mediocre the last couple weeks, etc. But I don't think that's what the people expressing concern about either McCord or the DL are doing. OSU is good enough to beat most teams even when they play their B or C game, and I'll take a road win against a top 10 team in any fashion.

I'm less concerned with a shaky performance than I am with the seeming inability to reach a high ceiling. In order to beat Georgia, they need to be able to reach a high ceiling. For the past few years we've all known that OSU has not been able to pressure the QB enough sending 4. What have you seen this year that would make you think differently? I'm not super confident in McCord, but it's his first time starting, and maybe he will be a different QB by the time they play PSU. But this is a veteran and extremely talented DL. From a recruiting rankings perspective they're above even the WRs, and so I'm confused as to why they're not more dominant


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OSU was a missed targeting call and also a missed long FG away from beating Georgia and basically winning the National Championship last season. For as soft as they are, for as bad as the DLine was/is, they are still one of the only teams in the country who has the talent and ability to win it all.

Are they a national championship caliber team right now, nope. And that is perfectly fine, they still have to grow as a team. But they have a defense who is playing well and allowing the offense to grow. The short yardage running game may continue to be a problem, but I think the offense will continue to get better as the season goes along.

One thing that I have noticed this season, and maybe it has to deal more with the two straight losses to Michigan, but in all the analysis and talk about OSU this season, they are being judged to a completely different standard than every other team out there. Look at what happened after week 3 in college football, JJ threw three picks against BGSU and allowed them to hang around for longer, Texas was in a game against Wyoming, and OSU dismantled WKU, yet OSU was the team that fell in the polls, and everyone else remained the same. Had McCord thrown three picks against WKU, good lord there would have been some chatter. Had OSU struggled with a Mountain West team into the 4th, obits would have been written about the 2023 Buckeyes.

In the end, it doesn't really matter because you play the game on the field. But I have seen so much 'the sky is falling' about this team, four games into the season, and that is with a top 10 win on the road.

[RedTeamGo!]

I do not think the sky is falling by any means, however, I do think it is alarming the top 4 DE's on the roster have yet to get a sack. It is frankly bizarre.

[*BaseClogger*]

I do not think the sky is falling by any means, however, I do think it is alarming the top 4 DE's on the roster have yet to get a sack. It is frankly bizarre.

Indiana ran a triple option offense and YSU didn’t challenge them down the field. It’s not that bizarre.

[oregonred]

Indiana ran a triple option offense and YSU didn’t challenge them down the field. It’s not that bizarre.

This and ND has a 16th year borderline nfl qb, excellent Rbs and likely the best OL in the country. Held to 14 pts at home

[RedTeamGo!]

Indiana ran a triple option offense and YSU didn’t challenge them down the field. It’s not that bizarre.

Brother, they played Youngstown St, Indiana, and Directional Kentucky. I don't care what those teams did. Not getting a sack against them is super bizarre.

[Hillsdale87]

Brother, they played Youngstown St, Indiana, and Directional Kentucky. I don't care what those teams did. Not getting a sack against them is super bizarre.

I'm having a hard time understanding the pushback on this. The defense is good. The secondary seems very strong, the linebackers are awesome, the defensive line is fine. Not bad, but fine. But the starting DL has 2 5*s and 2 high 4*s. They should be expected to be the dominant unit on this defense. Instead they're the biggest question mark. I don't know if it's the players or the coaching, but they should be expected to make a bigger impact, and I don't think those guys would disagree


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[RedTeamGo!]

I'm having a hard time understanding the pushback on this. The defense is good. The secondary seems very strong, the linebackers are awesome, the defensive line is fine. Not bad, but fine. But the starting DL has 2 5*s and 2 high 4*s. They should be expected to be the dominant unit on this defense. Instead they're the biggest question mark. I don't know if it's the players or the coaching, but they should be expected to make a bigger impact, and I don't think those guys would disagree


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Bingo

[oregonred]

So far and compared to previous seasons, the defense has been terrific. We'll see how they hold up against PSU and UM later in the year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm having a hard time understanding the pushback on this. The defense is good. The secondary seems very strong, the linebackers are awesome, the defensive line is fine. Not bad, but fine. But the starting DL has 2 5*s and 2 high 4*s. They should be expected to be the dominant unit on this defense. Instead they're the biggest question mark. I don't know if it's the players or the coaching, but they should be expected to make a bigger impact, and I don't think those guys would disagree


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The pushback is they have been fantastic, aren’t a question mark and the question is based around sack numbers which while a nice novelty, isn’t a good metric to judge the line play or their dominance and impact, which has been substantial.

[*BaseClogger*]

Tyleik Williams has been a monster.

[GAC]

It's hard to accurately evaluate any team, regardless of who they are or what conference, when you have so many cupcake games the first month, and teams are "padding" their stats vs these lesser opponents. Top ranked teams vs ranked/quality opposition was pretty sparce until last weekend. Yeah, I got a better glimpse of OSU after beating ND, as well as Texas beating 'Bama; but overall? Have no idea at this stage of the season.

OSU just passed their first test vs the Irish. IMO, the next HUGE test comes next month (21st) when they host Penn State. OSU has won the last few years where there has been 60-70 points scored total/game by both teams.

[oregonred]

Yeah all this conference alignment has resulted in even more garbage games the first four weeks of the CFB season. With the soon to be 16-team SEC still holding onto the 8 conference game schedule + 0-1 legit non-conference game formula.

The best of the non-Power 5 disruptors have moved into the Power 5 as middling additions. So now we've got more early season cupcake games in the early when we used to be somewhat entertained by the UCFs, BYUs, UCs and Houstons playing against Power 5 teams.

Pretty much Texas-Bama, FSU-LSU, OSU-ND and a bunch of garbage non conference matchups throughout the month of September. Although the 10-7 Cal/Auburn snoozefest of a game was an instant classic.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/10/141387/big-ten-announces-ohio-states-conference-opponents-from-2024-through-2028

The Big Ten just rereleased the 24-28 schedules with Oregon and Washington added. From an OSU standpoint assuming they keep the Texas and Alabama games the 25-28 stretch has a ton of potential great games.

[Kingspoint]

It's ridiculous what a weakling schedule Ohio State plays this season. BYU plays a harder schedule. Fresno State plays a more difficult schedule. Wyoming plays a more difficult schedule.

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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/10/141387/big-ten-announces-ohio-states-conference-opponents-from-2024-through-2028

The Big Ten just rereleased the 24-28 schedules with Oregon and Washington added. From an OSU standpoint assuming they keep the Texas and Alabama games the 25-28 stretch has a ton of potential great games.

All of the different scheduling should be interesting.

There's too many teams in the conference. It's still a watered-down schedule. Is there a Conference Championship Game?

[Hillsdale87]

It's ridiculous what a weakling schedule Ohio State plays this season. BYU plays a harder schedule. Fresno State plays a more difficult schedule. Wyoming plays a more difficult schedule.

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All of the different scheduling should be interesting.

There's too many teams in the conference. It's still a watered-down schedule. Is there a Conference Championship Game?

The B10 is not very good this year unfortunately. OSU is still going to play 3 top 10 teams this season though.


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[bucksfan2]

It's ridiculous what a weakling schedule Ohio State plays this season. BYU plays a harder schedule. Fresno State plays a more difficult schedule. Wyoming plays a more difficult schedule.

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All of the different scheduling should be interesting.

There's too many teams in the conference. It's still a watered-down schedule. Is there a Conference Championship Game?

First I have heard about OSU playing a weak schedule. They have/had ND, Michigan, and PSU, two teams that have a good shot at finishing the season in the top 25.

They also have boarder line top 25 teams in Maryland and Wisconsin. FWIW Maryland may finish the season 9-3 with losses to the big three in the East.

If you want to talk about weak schedules, Georgia won't play a ranked team all season. Michigan's non conference schedule is embarrassing. Alabama may not have one top 25 victory as the season shakes out.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's ridiculous what a weakling schedule Ohio State plays this season. BYU plays a harder schedule. Fresno State plays a more difficult schedule. Wyoming plays a more difficult schedule.

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All of the different scheduling should be interesting.

There's too many teams in the conference. It's still a watered-down schedule. Is there a Conference Championship Game?

Haha what? OSU has an extremely difficult schedule this year.

[Kingspoint]

First I have heard about OSU playing a weak schedule. They have/had ND, Michigan, and PSU, two teams that have a good shot at finishing the season in the top 25.

They also have boarder line top 25 teams in Maryland and Wisconsin. FWIW Maryland may finish the season 9-3 with losses to the big three in the East.

If you want to talk about weak schedules, Georgia won't play a ranked team all season. Michigan's non conference schedule is embarrassing. Alabama may not have one top 25 victory as the season shakes out.

Their schedule has only 3 teams in the Top-25. That's pathetically weak. One of those teams is the last game of the year. They don't even have a Conference Championship Game to face another top opponent like every other conference has.

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Haha what? OSU has an extremely difficult schedule this year.

From the perspective of an Ohio State fan, sure. But, not based upon any semblence of reality.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Their schedule has only 3 teams in the Top-25. That's pathetically weak. One of those teams is the last game of the year. They don't even have a Conference Championship Game to face another top opponent like every other conference has.

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From the perspective of an Ohio State fan, sure. But, not based upon any semblence of reality.

No from the perspective of literally anyone irs a difficult schedule. 2 top 10 road games plus another top 10 home game and Maryland and Wisconsin are top 30ish type teams.

The big ten does have a conference championship game.

No offense KP but your into to,this thread was talking about how Calvin Ridley was an all time OSU great. Maybe this subject isn’t an area you have any clue what you’re talking about.

[Hillsdale87]

Their schedule has only 3 teams in the Top-25. That's pathetically weak. One of those teams is the last game of the year. They don't even have a Conference Championship Game to face another top opponent like every other conference has.

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From the perspective of an Ohio State fan, sure. But, not based upon any semblence of reality.

We can acknowledge that the B10 is down this year, but you're also cherry picking stats. Yes OSU only has 3 top 25 teams on their schedule right now. But they're also top 10 teams. That seems relevant. As others have pointed out, their schedule is as tough or tougher than many other top teams.

Take these strength of schedule ratings for with a grain of salt, but...

OSU #7: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

OSU #11: https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/college-football/ncaaf-strength-schedule-rankings/

I wish Wisconsin and Michigan State were a bit better this year, but OSU should still be challenged. I'm still not confident they'll be up to it, but I hope I'm wrong.


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[Danny Serafini]

Their schedule has only 3 teams in the Top-25. That's pathetically weak.

Your expectations are out of whack. Look at the schedules of the AP top 10, here's how many opponents are currently ranked: 4, 2, 2, 3, 3, 2, 5, 5, 4, 4. Average is 3.4. 3 is not pathetically weak, it's normal.


One of those teams is the last game of the year.

Why does that even matter?


They don't even have a Conference Championship Game to face another top opponent like every other conference has.

What are you even talking about?

[Hillsdale87]

Ryan Day needs to figure out a solution at QB for next year. I don't know if there's anything they can do this season, but this team has all of the pieces to be a national contender except for the QB position.


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[Hillsdale87]

DL is getting pushed around in the run game too. This is a terrible performance all around.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Michigan is going to absolutely destroy OSU

[Hillsdale87]

McCord just ran out of a perfect pocket for absolutely no reason.


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[Hillsdale87]

Michigan is going to absolutely destroy OSU

This looks like a 3-4 loss team


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[RedTeamGo!]

Ryan Day needs to figure out a solution at QB for next year. I don't know if there's anything they can do this season, but this team has all of the pieces to be a national contender except for the QB position.


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I disagree whole heartedly this team has all the pieces. This OL is absolute garbage and the DL is very disappointing. OSU is getting pushed around at the line on both sides of the ball by Maryland. Maryland!

[kaldaniels]

Just to pushback on the weak schedule claim - the highest (currently) ranked team with a loss - was beaten by OSU.

[Assembly Hall]

Bucknuts better learn to run the ball better.

[Hillsdale87]

I disagree whole heartedly this team has all the pieces. This OL is absolute garbage and the DL is very disappointing. OSU is getting pushed around at the line on both sides of the ball by Maryland. Maryland!

The OL is not great, but McCord has had a lot of clean pockets. They have to at least consider going to Devin Brown at half


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[RedTeamGo!]

Bucknuts better learn to run the ball better.

Their starting RB is hurt

[Hillsdale87]

Nice to get some points, but should have been 7. McCord underthrew that deep ball by about 15 yards


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[Assembly Hall]

Their starting RB is hurt

That gonna be the excuse if they lose?

[Hillsdale87]

Big difference in QBs this game. Taulia isn't great, but he lets his receivers make a play. McCord has a hard time pulling the trigger unless somebody is wide open.


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[Hillsdale87]

Huge play by the defense again. Still need the DL to get some more consistent pressure. Their scheme is so uncreative. No stunts, just line up and try to have the DL beat their man


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[*BaseClogger*]

RTG! is right about Jack Sawyer but JT is having a great game.

[Hillsdale87]

Ended up being a very good win, but I still have no idea what to think of this team.


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[RedTeamGo!]

That gonna be the excuse if they lose?

Nope, after watching the whole game the running game stunk because of the garbage OL. They still won by 20 with a horrible performance, though.

[Hillsdale87]

Nope, after watching the whole game the running game stunk because of the garbage OL. They still won by 20 with a horrible performance, though.

It's weird. Feels like the pass blocking has been consistently good. McCord had pretty good pockets today. But they haven't been able to run block effectively the last 3 years


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[GAC]

Nope, after watching the whole game the running game stunk because of the garbage OL. They still won by 20 with a horrible performance, though.

62 yards rushing on 33 carries. Sad.

Maryland being undefeated didn't faze me. Who have they played this year? Since joining the B10, and even prior, what is their record vs ranked teams?

[Assembly Hall]

Nope, after watching the whole game the running game stunk because of the garbage OL. They still won by 20 with a horrible performance, though.

Michigan is gonna eat them alive. Bucks better work on that.

[Assembly Hall]

62 yards rushing on 33 carries. Sad.

Maryland being undefeated didn't faze me. Who have they played this year? Since joining the B10, and even prior, what is their record vs ranked teams?

I don't know anything about any of that but Locksley appears to have the Terps going in the right direction.

[kaldaniels]

Personally I’m not too worried about the offense.

I just think Harbaugh is the only coach on the schedule that has the weapons and will not get cute with his offense against OSU. Run the ball 50-60 times (or whatever “90 percent” is) and make OSU stop it….I don’t think they can (at this point at least).

[GAC]

I don't know anything about any of that but Locksley appears to have the Terps going in the right direction.

Maybe so. But until they can compete/beat a highly ranked team since joining the B10 I don't take them too seriously. They have 6 games remaining vs Illinois, Northwestern, #6 Penn State, Nebraska, #2 Michigan, and Rutgers. And, IMO, they continue to do what they've been prone to - they'll go 4-2 losing to the two ranked opponents, and possibly badly too, while finishing 9-3.

They are ahead of the scale when compared to Rutgers though (lol).

[bucksfan2]

I think Maryland is a top 25ish team. Just for reference sake, look at UK, who was undefeated with a similar lackluster schedule, got destroyed by GA, and still remained in the top 25. Maryland is in a situation where they should go 9-3, with losses to OSU, PSU, and Michigan. But if I were a betting man, I think they put a real scare into one of PSU or Michigan. When OSU, Michigan, and PSU are all clicking, Maryland is in a tough spot, but until they can knock off one of the big boys, they will continue to have the stigma of being Maryland.

Day is going to need to call a better game with the current OLine he has. I think its as plain and simple as that. McCord really stated to play well in the 2nd half, and the defense is playing very good. I hope we start to see more of a rotation with JT and either Curry or Jackson, because both JT and Sawyer are too similar. I didn't get to watch much of the game (kids soccer) but on some of the highlights, the Maryland WR's made some great catches, the one TD the WR was blanketed and me made one heck of a catch.

The Michigan hype train is in full force. Reality is they have played nobody, so its hard to tell how good they are. Every time OSU struggles, or plays a poor half, its Michigan is going to stomp them this year. But here is my thing, the way OSU is playing on D, they are keeping everything in front of them. They aren't allowing the big play. They aren't allowing the 60 yard TD pass or 60 yard TD run because of an over aggressive defensive call. Both of OSU's losses last year were a result of big plays made when the D go overaggressive and put DB's (or even safety's) on an island. OSU hasn't done that this year and their DB's are playing far better this year than last year. Can JJ beat them by staying in the pocket? Taken what is given to him? Because that has always been the knock on him, see Bowling Green.

[gonelong]

The Michigan hype train is in full force. Reality is they have played nobody, so its hard to tell how good they are. Every time OSU struggles, or plays a poor half, its Michigan is going to stomp them this year. But here is my thing, the way OSU is playing on D, they are keeping everything in front of them. They aren't allowing the big play. They aren't allowing the 60 yard TD pass or 60 yard TD run because of an over aggressive defensive call. Both of OSU's losses last year were a result of big plays made when the D go overaggressive and put DB's (or even safety's) on an island. OSU hasn't done that this year and their DB's are playing far better this year than last year. Can JJ beat them by staying in the pocket? Taken what is given to him? Because that has always been the knock on him, see Bowling Green.

Problem last year was when OSU tried a series in which they laid back, Michigan moved the ball down the field with ease ... knife through butter. Not sure bend/don't break will work with Michigan and their running game. They don't seem to shoot themselves in the foot with penalties. I think it will take a mixture of aggression and bend/don't break to beat them. Will have to take some chances on 1st down and 3rd down from time to time and hope to get the off the field with a TFL that gets them off schedule.

Hopefully OSU's offense continues to mature. The teams you see today in Mich and OSU are not the teams you will see in November - both will grow considerably between now and then.

[bucksfan2]

Problem last year was when OSU tried a series in which they laid back, Michigan moved the ball down the field with ease ... knife through butter. Not sure bend/don't break will work with Michigan and their running game. They don't seem to shoot themselves in the foot with penalties. I think it will take a mixture of aggression and bend/don't break to beat them. Will have to take some chances on 1st down and 3rd down from time to time and hope to get the off the field with a TFL that gets them off schedule.

Hopefully OSU's offense continues to mature. The teams you see today in Mich and OSU are not the teams you will see in November - both will grow considerably between now and then.

IMO the game last year was lost on back to back possessions let up a 69 yard and 75 yard TD passes. You don't do that, maybe Michigan scores, maybe not, but those were backbreakers. I may have blacked things out of my mind, but Michigan had one sustained drive that entire game. The rest were 5 45+ yards, three of over 75 yard plays. If they bend don't break, who knows what happens. They were the most mindboggling plays because JJ is (or at least last year) loose with the ball. He would force things, throw bad balls, etc. They gave him an out with single coverage on the outside and a guy who isn't nearly as good as the 3 db's are this year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

IMO the game last year was lost on back to back possessions let up a 69 yard and 75 yard TD passes. You don't do that, maybe Michigan scores, maybe not, but those were backbreakers. I may have blacked things out of my mind, but Michigan had one sustained drive that entire game. The rest were 5 45+ yards, three of over 75 yard plays. If they bend don't break, who knows what happens. They were the most mindboggling plays because JJ is (or at least last year) loose with the ball. He would force things, throw bad balls, etc. They gave him an out with single coverage on the outside and a guy who isn't nearly as good as the 3 db's are this year.

OSU was dominating the game last year and JJ looked terrible and was inaccurate. Those 2 plays completely changed the game. Knowles has even acknowledged that plays like those have changed their philosophy a bit this year which is among the reasons they haven’t given up a single big play yet.

Defensively between now and then I want to see better linebacker play. I wasn’t worried about Chambers and Eichenberg coming into the season, and while they have been adequate they haven’t popped. 3/4 of the defensive line is great, but Sawyer is a run stopper only. Curry and Jackson have to play more in pass rush situations.

[gonelong]

IMO the game last year was lost on back to back possessions let up a 69 yard and 75 yard TD passes. You don't do that, maybe Michigan scores, maybe not, but those were backbreakers. I may have blacked things out of my mind, but Michigan had one sustained drive that entire game. The rest were 5 45+ yards, three of over 75 yard plays. If they bend don't break, who knows what happens. They were the most mindboggling plays because JJ is (or at least last year) loose with the ball. He would force things, throw bad balls, etc. They gave him an out with single coverage on the outside and a guy who isn't nearly as good as the 3 db's are this year.

I think they will give Mich every opportunity to put 15 play drives together to score. If they don't shoot themselves in the foot and pull that off it will be up to the OSU offense to match ... or the defense will have to get more aggressive. I'd like to see OSU take a spot here and there with some controlled aggression. Last year in the game it was going for broke, need to be more controlled than that. Perhaps they can save the aggression for the Redzone if Mich can move it between the 20s.

[MWM]

I think the Buckeye fanbase should prepare themselves for another drubbing up in Ann Arbor this year. Unless something changes in the next 6 weeks, I can't see OSU not getting dominated on both sides of line again.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think the Buckeye fanbase should prepare themselves for another drubbing up in Ann Arbor this year. Unless something changes in the next 6 weeks, I can't see OSU not getting dominated on both sides of line again.

Michigan might have a good defense. They haven’t played a single team with even a pulse on offense and won’t for another month. I’m willing to bet unless the conditions suck that OSU will be able to throw on them.

OSU will have to be efficient because they might only get like 8 possessions. Michigan will run it, probably fairly effectively and it’ll come down to how well and if they can pay it off.

[Hillsdale87]

Michigan might have a good defense. They haven’t played a single team with even a pulse on offense and won’t for another month. I’m willing to bet unless the conditions suck that OSU will be able to throw on them.

OSU will have to be efficient because they might only get like 8 possessions. Michigan will run it, probably fairly effectively and it’ll come down to how well and if they can pay it off.

I have seen nothing so far to lead me to believe that OSU will be able to throw effectively against Michigan. Still quite a few games before that one, so hopefully McCord gets more comfortable. But an inability to run and a QB who struggles to throw with anticipation is not a good combo against a good defense


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[RiverRat13]

and a QB who struggles to throw with anticipation

Bingo. Harrison and Fleming should have had walk-in touchdowns on deep balls if McCord was able to throw with anticipation. Both throws were woefully late.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I have seen nothing so far to lead me to believe that OSU will be able to throw effectively against Michigan. Still quite a few games before that one, so hopefully McCord gets more comfortable. But an inability to run and a QB who struggles to throw with anticipation is not a good combo against a good defense


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Yeah probably looking too critically. McCord has been generally good and he will keep getting better.

And again I have no idea how good Michigan’s defense actually is. I’m sure they are at least decent, but they haven’t played any real offenses and won’t until their last 3 games. That might help their record and stats but is likely an extreme negative in terms of preparation. They haven’t played a team with a QB that has thrown foe over 200 yards against anyone. That’s insane

[Hillsdale87]

Yeah probably looking too critically. McCord has been generally good and he will keep getting better.

And again I have no idea how good Michigan’s defense actually is. I’m sure they are at least decent, but they haven’t played any real offenses and won’t until their last 3 games. That might help their record and stats but is likely an extreme negative in terms of preparation. They haven’t played a team with a QB that has thrown foe over 200 yards against anyone. That’s insane

Michigan's defense may not have been tested, but it's been good the last couple years and is loaded with NFL talent. They may not be as good as they've looked against bad teams, but they're good.

McCord was better in the second half. But in the first he was holding it way too long. He needs to trust his playmakers and let it rip. Day also got more creative in the second half and schemed up some nice plays, which helped. He looks like he's playing not to make a mistake instead of playing aggressive. OSU is going to need to put up points against PSU and Michigan. He's unfortunately hampered by a poor run game, so he's going to need to be more than a game manager and create some offense.


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[BuckeyeRed27]

Michigan's defense may not have been tested, but it's been good the last couple years and is loaded with NFL talent. They may not be as good as they've looked against bad teams, but they're good.

McCord was better in the second half. But in the first he was holding it way too long. He needs to trust his playmakers and let it rip. Day also got more creative in the second half and schemed up some nice plays, which helped. He looks like he's playing not to make a mistake instead of playing aggressive. OSU is going to need to put up points against PSU and Michigan. He's unfortunately hampered by a poor run game, so he's going to need to be more than a game manager and create some offense.


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Their offense has a lot of NFL guys, particularly on the line. The defense has Jenkins Colson and eventually Johnson. I’m sure there are some late round guys on there. Like I said I’m sure the defense is at least decent. But when OSUs offense and Michigan’s defense are on the field the best 3 players play for OSU. I’ve like McCords progression and by game 12 with a couple more good tests in there I feel good where he will be.

It’s good his instinct isn’t to make mistakes. Don’t put your excellent defense in bad spots, make smart decisions and live another day will win you a lot of football games.

[MWM]

Sometimes I think the "they haven't played" anyone argument gets way overblown. They've played who is on the schedule and pretty much dominated all of them. Not having a tough schedule does not make them less good, it just means maybe we don't know everything until they're tested. But they were the better team last year and they returned a lot more key players than OSU, especially on offense. The Buckeye offense was much better last year and Stroud to McCord is a huge downgrade and the O-line has been pretty bad all year. They're going to have to pass and Michigan knows that. A lot can change in 6 weeks, but it needs to or else it could be just as ugly as last year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Sometimes I think the "they haven't played" anyone argument gets way overblown. They've played who is on the schedule and pretty much dominated all of them. Not having a tough schedule does not make them less good, it just means maybe we don't know everything until they're tested. But they were the better team last year and they returned a lot more key players than OSU, especially on offense. The Buckeye offense was much better last year and Stroud to McCord is a huge downgrade and the O-line has been pretty bad all year. They're going to have to pass and Michigan knows that. A lot can change in 6 weeks, but it needs to or else it could be just as ugly as last year.

Yeah that’s basically what I said. They haven’t been tested and won’t be tested for another month. Maybe they are great. I tend to think they are pretty good and going to lose 2 of their last 3 games.

[bucksfan2]

Sometimes I think the "they haven't played" anyone argument gets way overblown. They've played who is on the schedule and pretty much dominated all of them. Not having a tough schedule does not make them less good, it just means maybe we don't know everything until they're tested. But they were the better team last year and they returned a lot more key players than OSU, especially on offense. The Buckeye offense was much better last year and Stroud to McCord is a huge downgrade and the O-line has been pretty bad all year. They're going to have to pass and Michigan knows that. A lot can change in 6 weeks, but it needs to or else it could be just as ugly as last year.

It was a terrible non conference schedule and they control that. The B1G broke for them, FWIW each east and west team had a protected game that was on a 5 year rotation. Michigan's during the past five years was Wisconsin whereas OSU's was Nebraska. The B1G tried to balance that out, but it didn't work that way. Nebraska was garbage and Wisconsin was a pretty good team during that period. I think the schedule matters to some extent. I am not so sure going through and entire season untested is a good thing. Michigan is dominating opponents, but those opponents aren't very good. There is an argument that can be made that Rutgers is the best team they have played to this point.

Does it matter? That is a good question. I think its easier to play when the opponent doesn't have the ability to beat you. Does it matter if you have to execute a play or the other team wins? How do you handle increased pressure in situations? The state of college football today is that there is such a talent differential between the haves and have nots, you don't have to be exact to beat a team. You can beat a team based upon raw ability. I don't know what Michigan is this year. McCarthy hasn't had to make a "got to have it throw." They haven't played a single snap where the outcome of the game was in doubt.

Maybe McCord isn't ready. Maybe the OLine is too bad and maybe the defense isn't good enough. The teams you will see the last weekend of November aren't the teams you see now.

[WVRed]

I can't see this one but maybe others can:

https://thespun.com/college-football/deion-sanders-next-job-ohio-state-florida-auburn?fbclid=IwAR1erQa4qSnS8MSGz3BtavSOnTf_692wrw GvUwgPMVkzTgLLPeiFInsngz4

Still, Coach Prime with the Ohio State letterhead to sell to recruits...

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[BuckeyeRed27]

I can't see this one but maybe others can:

https://thespun.com/college-football/deion-sanders-next-job-ohio-state-florida-auburn?fbclid=IwAR1erQa4qSnS8MSGz3BtavSOnTf_692wrw GvUwgPMVkzTgLLPeiFInsngz4

Still, Coach Prime with the Ohio State letterhead to sell to recruits...

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No.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Other than Brown fumbling six inches from the goal line, I have no complaints. That looked great.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Seems like maybe Hayden should play more. A lot more.

Love having a defense that can do stuff like this. Nice to see Sawyer finally join the party and I liked seeing Curry and Simon get a lot more run.

Penn St week…let’s go!

[GAC]

IMO, OSU's young O-line will be their downfall in the Michigan game. I'm already having nightmares. Can Day survive a third consecutive loss to the team up north?

[BuckeyeRed27]

IMO, OSU's young O-line will be their downfall in the Michigan game. I'm already having nightmares. Can Day survive a third consecutive loss to the team up north?

Yes he can survive and OSU is going to beat Michigan so it won’t matter anyway.

[GAC]

Yes he can survive and OSU is going to beat Michigan so it won’t matter anyway.

I hope you're right. Michigan has not played anyone, and has a SoS of 78. But Day can't let himself get out-coached.

But lets get by PSU first. A big test to further cement OSU's validity this season IMO.

[Assembly Hall]

Yes he can survive and OSU is going to beat Michigan so it won’t matter anyway.

I want to see how the Bucks look against the Lions.

[GAC]

I want to see how the Bucks look against the Lions.

I agree; but they're SoS is right behind Michigan's at 76. A sound play-off system will eliminate these pretenders (lol).

[Hillsdale87]

I find it hard to believe that Devin Brown can't be better than this. And if he's not, this is a massive recruiting failure. These are not difficult passes McCord is missing


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[Roy Tucker]

Big TD. Good OL work.

But McCord seems gunshot about putting the ball where it needs to be. And Brown isn’t the answer. McCord just has to work through it.

[Hillsdale87]

Defense looks great. Offense is painful to watch. OSU is probably at 24 with a decent QB


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[Hillsdale87]

Day showing he has no confidence in McCord...


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[Roy Tucker]

Day showing he has no confidence in McCord...


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Yeah. 42 seconds and 3 TOs and you take a knee. Ugh.

[Hillsdale87]

Yeah. 42 seconds and 3 TOs and you take a knee. Ugh.

Hard to blame him though. Hopefully McCord settles down in the second half


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[Roy Tucker]

Good lord. What a cluster on offense.

And a 71 yard punt bails them out.

[Hillsdale87]

Hard to blame him though. Hopefully McCord settles down in the second half


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Early returns are not great...


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[Hillsdale87]

How do you not just sneak it from the half yard line?!


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[GAC]

Ryan Day is something else lol

[Roy Tucker]

Gaaaah.

Feel like I’m watching a Woodie Hayes era game.

[GAC]

Watching both of these teams on offense is a joke. Are these defenses that good, or offenses that inept? LOL

[Hillsdale87]

Feels like watching the Bengals-Seahawks game again. Not good for my anxiety


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[RedTeamGo!]

Watching both of these teams on offense is a joke. Are these defenses that good, or offenses that inept? LOL

I think might be both

[Roy Tucker]

Watching both of these teams on offense is a joke. Are these defenses that good, or offenses that inept? LOL

I think a little of both plus the coaches don’t want to lean on their offenses too hard and are being conservative.

[Hillsdale87]

The OL has been really good today. McCord's stats look pretty good, but not an accurate reflection of his play. OSU should be up big.


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[GAC]

OSU IMO should have had a couple more scores if not for the stupid play calling lol

[GAC]

This O line has huge issues when trying to run the ball. Geez

[Roy Tucker]

Big TD by the Bucks.

When did this Maserati Marv thing start? I hadn’t heard that before.

[Roy Tucker]

Stupid face mask penalty.

Stupid roughing the passer.

Idiots.

[GAC]

This is one of the most comical games to watch. LOL

[Roy Tucker]

Allar has really had a rough game.

[Hillsdale87]

This O line has huge issues when trying to run the ball. Geez

I actually think they've been pretty good today. Run game misses Henderson


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[Hillsdale87]

I've complained about the DL all season, but wow what a performance today.


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[*BaseClogger*]

I actually think they've been pretty good today. Run game misses Henderson


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I don’t think the running back makes much of a difference. Penn State has a strong front 7 and at times could easily key on the run. When there’s been balance they’ve gotten some yardage rushing.

[Hillsdale87]

I don’t think the running back makes much of a difference. Penn State has a strong front 7 and at times could easily key on the run. When there’s been balance they’ve gotten some yardage rushing.

There were a number of plays today where there was an edge, but Williams and/or Trayanum couldn't get there. Neither guy has the speed. Yes, PSU has a good defense, but I think there were some plays to make of Henderson had been back there


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