Any Other Steelers Fans On Here?

[RiverfrontRed]

Growing up in Huntington, on the Ohio River about 3 hours from Cincinnati and 4 hours from Pittsburgh in the era of The BRM and the Steel Curtain, it was easy to become a fan of both. I've loved them both my whole life.

Anyone else here at RZ a Steelers fan? Maybe we could keep a thread going through the season...

[goreds2]

Same as me. I grew up Big Red Machine then a classmate told me about the Steel Curtain Steelers and I was hooked. I have stuck with them rain or shine since then.

I also got hooked on Dr. J and the 76ers during the 70’s. CBS seemed to broadcast them every weekend.

See my signature.

[Kingspoint]

They'll be a ton of them this coming Sunday, hoping that they beat the Browns.

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Same as me. I grew up Big Red Machine then a classmate told me about the Steel Curtain Steelers and I was hooked. I have stuck with them rain or shine since then.

I also got hooked on Dr. J and the 76ers during the 70’s. CBS seemed to broadcast them every weekend.

See my signature.

The talent on those particular Sixer squads went 12 deep.

[RiverfrontRed]

They'll be a ton of them this coming Sunday, hoping that they beat the Browns.


Good point! Lol

[goreds2]

They'll be a ton of them this coming Sunday, hoping that they beat the Browns.



It will actually be Monday but I see your point. :)

[RiverfrontRed]

Tonight's game strenthened my conclusion that Pickett is not the guy.

[Sea Ray]

Tonight's game strenthened my conclusion that Pickett is not the guy.

Neither is DeShawn Watson. He is holding that team back more than injuries are

[RedTeamGo!]

Neither is DeShawn Watson. He is holding that team back more than injuries are

nah, pretty sure the best RB in the league that was carving up the Steelers before he was injured is going to hold the team back more than Watson

[Sea Ray]

nah, pretty sure the best RB in the league that was carving up the Steelers before he was injured is going to hold the team back more than Watson

With the Cleveland maulers up front, any RB would do well as we saw with Ford. It's their QB not protecting the ball and grabbing facemasks that is more troubling

[bucksfan2]

Tonight's game strenthened my conclusion that Pickett is not the guy.

I always thought Pickett was a bad pick. Curious as to your opinion on this, I don't think Pitt drafts him if he isn't a home grown kid who played at Pitt. The guy was an old QB when he was drafted so I don't see a ton of growth going forward.

[RiverfrontRed]

I always thought Pickett was a bad pick. Curious as to your opinion on this, I don't think Pitt drafts him if he isn't a home grown kid who played at Pitt. The guy was an old QB when he was drafted so I don't see a ton of growth going forward.

I'm not a Pitt Panther fan, so I didn't follow him. At first I was lukewarm on the pick. Then I got optimistic with how he finished his rookie year. Especially with the comebacks. Then with the way he came out of the gates in preseason, I was super optimistic. A lot of execs/scouts turned analysts were very high on him this summer as well. I was shocked at how poorly he played against SF. And he follows up with another stinker last night. It's going to be a long bumpy ride because the Steelers don't move off of anyone quickly. I would like to see Pickett with an actual NFL OC. Canada is atrocious! But on the pick itself, I'm sure that him being in the same building for 5 years gave them a comfort level with the pick. I'm just not seeing a bright future.

[RiverfrontRed]

Neither is DeShawn Watson. He is holding that team back more than injuries are

Browns are getting what they deserve for signing that creep.

[SteelSD]

I'm not a Pitt Panther fan, so I didn't follow him. At first I was lukewarm on the pick. Then I got optimistic with how he finished his rookie year. Especially with the comebacks. Then with the way he came out of the gates in preseason, I was super optimistic. A lot of execs/scouts turned analysts were very high on him this summer as well. I was shocked at how poorly he played against SF. And he follows up with another stinker last night. It's going to be a long bumpy ride because the Steelers don't move off of anyone quickly. I would like to see Pickett with an actual NFL OC. Canada is atrocious! But on the pick itself, I'm sure that him being in the same building for 5 years gave them a comfort level with the pick. I'm just not seeing a bright future.

I'm at nearly the same place. I hate the fact that the O-Line is still terrible and it's just mind-numbing that Canada's still around. That makes it tough. I gave him last season to work out some of the kinks. But the clock is ticking away for me as of Game 1 of this season. I'm not seeing the progress I had hoped for with his reads have not been good and his accuracy, when given any time at all, is down. The pick he almost threw last night on what should have been a throwaway was just brutal. Pickett's going to need to string together some solid games, and right quick.

[Tony Cloninger]

They won like Lewis sometimes would steal wins when Dalton was way off during that 2011-15 run. Timely turnovers. At least the Steelers have that and a pass rush. Which is something the Bengals don’t have right now.

[Bob Sheed]

Browns are getting what they deserve for signing that creep.

Exactly. Why couldn't they go out a get a high character guy, like Ben Roethlisberger.

[RedTeamGo!]

Browns are getting what they deserve for signing that creep.

Yeah! Chubb deserves to have his career ruined on a dirty hit by a Steeler because his team signed a scumbag. Right right.

And I guarantee you have a Roethlisberger jersey.

[Sea Ray]

Yeah! Chubb deserves to have his career ruined on a dirty hit by a Steeler because his team signed a scumbag. Right right.

And I guarantee you have a Roethlisberger jersey.

What are your guarantees worth? 50 cents or a cup of coffee?

[RiverfrontRed]

Yeah! Chubb deserves to have his career ruined on a dirty hit by a Steeler because his team signed a scumbag. Right right.

And I guarantee you have a Roethlisberger jersey.

Lol

[RiverfrontRed]

Exactly. Why couldn't they go out a get a high character guy, like Ben Roethlisberger.

I wanted Ben to be cut after those incidents. I do think he turned his life around to a degree. But how much can we know about a public figure's personal life? I have zero tolerance for violent and/or sexual crimes committed against women or children. So don't assume to know me.

[RedTeamGo!]

I have zero tolerance for violent and/or sexual crimes committed against women or children. .

So, you stopped rooting for the Steelers until Ben was off the team?

[RiverfrontRed]

So, you stopped rooting for the Steelers until Ben was off the team?

I get it that you're trying to get your digs in on me. So no, I'm a Steelers fan. And as a whole they've made more good decisions than bad ones over the years. I stopped being a Roethlisberger fan for about 3 years, until I saw what I considered positive changes in his life. I believe in God's power to change a person's life. You have beliefs and values and I'll have mine.

[RedTeamGo!]

I get it that you're trying to get your digs in on me. So no, I'm a Steelers fan. And as a whole they've made more good decisions than bad ones over the years. I stopped being a Roethlisberger fan for about 3 years, until I saw what I considered positive changes in his life. I believe in God's power to change a person's life. You have beliefs and values and I'll have mine.

I am not trying to get my "digs in on you"

I am asking because you said, and I quote, "Browns are getting what they deserve for signing that creep." in response to a brutal likely career ending injury for an unrelated player, who by all accounts, is a wonderful young man. I am asking because you are clearly being a hypocrite and are seemingly justifying a young man getting his leg completely destroyed on a dirty hit by Minkah Fitzpatrick.

So, to summarize, you have a zero tolerance policy with regard to sexual harassment, unless its a Steeler and he "found god"

As for the god talk, that is also hypocritical, because Watson is a devout Christian.

[SteelSD]

Yup. While the thread was well-intentioned, it was only a matter of time...

[RiverfrontRed]

I am not trying to get my "digs in on you"

I am asking because you said, and I quote, "Browns are getting what they deserve for signing that creep." in response to a brutal likely career ending injury for an unrelated player, who by all accounts, is a wonderful young man. I am asking because you are clearly being a hypocrite and are seemingly justifying a young man getting his leg completely destroyed on a dirty hit by Minkah Fitzpatrick.

So, to summarize, you have a zero tolerance policy with regard to sexual harassment, unless its a Steeler and he "found god"

As for the god talk, that is also hypocritical, because Watson is a devout Christian.

Well, I said something about a professional athlete who has 25+ allegations and the team that signed him to guaranteed money. Feel free to say what you want about Ben or the Steelers. I won't be offended. But you chose to make it personal about me.

[RedTeamGo!]

Well, I said something about a professional athlete who has 25+ allegations and the team that signed him to guaranteed money.

Nick Chubb has 25+ allegations?

[RiverfrontRed]

Nick Chubb has 25+ allegations?

What are you even talking about? I've never said anything against Nick Chubb. I sincerely hope the guy makes a full recovery. He's a great RB. You're just trolling now.

[Sea Ray]

Nick Chubb has 25+ allegations?

If you thought he was talking about Chubb you're more clueless than I thought and that's saying something

[RedTeamGo!]

If you thought he was talking about Chubb you're more clueless than I thought and that's saying something

Oh hey there is SR making a personal attack hypocritically.

I am referring to him saying the Browns deserve what they get in response to you saying Watson hurts more than Chubb getting injured. I am aware he is referring to Watson's sexual harassment allegations.

[bucksfan2]

Oh hey there is SR making a personal attack hypocritically.

I am referring to him saying the Browns deserve what they get in response to you saying Watson hurts more than Chubb getting injured. I am aware he is referring to Watson's sexual harassment allegations.

I think the Browns were dumb in trading for Watson. It reeked of desperation, and it looks even worse now.

I do find it ironic Steelers fans being holier than thou when it comes to character.

There are guys out there putting their bodies and brains on the line for our entertainment. Saying they "deserve" it because the QB is a scum bag, well that is neat!

Joe Mixon isn't a great dude, doesn't mean Joe Burrow deserves to get hurt because his RB is scum.

[Sea Ray]

Oh hey there is SR making a personal attack hypocritically.

I am referring to him saying the Browns deserve what they get in response to you saying Watson hurts more than Chubb getting injured. I am aware he is referring to Watson's sexual harassment allegations.

OK, then your post was indeed trolling. You just confirmed it

[RiverfrontRed]

Oh hey there is SR making a personal attack hypocritically.

I am referring to him saying the Browns deserve what they get in response to you saying Watson hurts more than Chubb getting injured. I am aware he is referring to Watson's sexual harassment allegations.

You're seriously way off if you think I said Chubb deserved to be injured. Unbelievable.

[Bob Sheed]

Browns are getting what they deserve for signing that creep.

Ok then, so what event exactly were you referring to, when you said "the Browns were getting what they deserved"?

The Chubb injury, right? I can't imagine what other event you could have been referencing.

So you were saying the Browns deserve the Chubb injury, because they signed Watson.

That's not a good look. Justifying injury like that.

On top of all that, you root for a team that had Rothlesburger as their QB. That's pretty hypocritical, is it not?

[Boston Red]

It's pretty obvious to a neutral observer that RR meant the Browns deserve getting a lousy QB for signing Watson. Connecting that statement to Chubb is a huge stretch.

[Bob Sheed]

It's pretty obvious to a neutral observer that RR meant the Browns deserve getting a lousy QB for signing Watson. Connecting that statement to Chubb is a huge stretch.

Looking back over the thread, and the context in which the comment was made, I agree.

Out of context, it really seemed like RR was referencing the Chubb injury, but in fact, he was referencing Watson's poor play at QB.

I take back what I said, my mistake, RR. :thumbup:

[RiverfrontRed]

Ok then, so what event exactly were you referring to, when you said "the Browns were getting what they deserved"?

The Chubb injury, right? I can't imagine what other event you could have been referencing.

So you were saying the Browns deserve the Chubb injury, because they signed Watson.

That's not a good look. Justifying injury like that.

On top of all that, you root for a team that had Rothlesburger as their QB. That's pretty hypocritical, is it not?

Event? Who said I was referring to an event? I’m referring to Watson sucking and the Browns being saddled with his contract. The fact that you think I’d be happy about an injury like Chubb’s says all I need to know about you.

EDIT: thanks for acknowledging the wrong assumption

[Boston Red]

Putting you on block.

Since you have Bob on block, I'd advise going back and reading his post that immediately precedes your post here. He admits to misreading your post and should clear up any ill feelings.

[SteelSD]

For Steelers fans (maybe any fans), this the a great breakdown on the level of suck that is Offensive Coordinator Matt Canada:

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/steelers-offense-struggles-2023/

Production quality on the video below (also in the article above) is cruddy, but valid points abound; some shocking.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1704877199377965107

Additionally, when Canada was asked about how to improve, here's his response:


Canada when asked how does the offense get its mojo back: "I don’t know. If you have the answer, you can let me know or tell somebody else. When you’re playing good on offense or anything in life that is good, you stack it."

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/if-you-have-the-answer-you-can-let-me-know-matt-canada-not-sure-how-offense-can-get-mojo-back/

I mean, just fire the guy already and put him out of my misery. Good Lord.

[RiverfrontRed]

For Steelers fans (maybe any fans), this the a great breakdown on the level of suck that is Offensive Coordinator Matt Canada:


Just when you thought Canada's offense couldn't sink any lower, there was last Sunday... It's physically painful to watch.

[Dom Heffner]

For Steelers fans (maybe any fans), this the a great breakdown on the level of suck that is Offensive Coordinator Matt Canada:

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/steelers-offense-struggles-2023/

Production quality on the video below (also in the article above) is cruddy, but valid points abound; some shocking.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1704877199377965107

Additionally, when Canada was asked about how to improve, here's his response:



https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/if-you-have-the-answer-you-can-let-me-know-matt-canada-not-sure-how-offense-can-get-mojo-back/

I mean, just fire the guy already and put him out of my misery. Good Lord.

Steelers fans are really down on Canada.

Personally I think Vince Lombardi couldn't get that team to win, the personnel is pretty awful. Long time before they are relevant again.

The defense usually keeps them in enough games so that they are an expected 7-9 wins, which puts them with a middling draft pick- they cant rebuild picking mid teens or later every year.

[bucksfan2]

Steelers fans are really down on Canada.

Personally I think Vince Lombardi couldn't get that team to win, the personnel is pretty awful. Long time before they are relevant again.

The defense usually keeps them in enough games so that they are an expected 7-9 wins, which puts them with a middling draft pick- they cant rebuild picking mid teens or later every year.

Yea, Pitt has been in this purgatory for years now. Ever since Big Ben entered the decline of his career. Their offense wasn't good enough to carry the team to anything past the wild card round. Their defense was good, but in an offensive league, D doesn't play as well anymore.

I think Pitt errored drafting Harris in the 1st when they needed OLine help. I think they errored in drafting Pickett, drafting the home grown kid when there were serious questions about him.

Pitt was fortunate that they got Big Ben in middle of the 1st round. It allowed them to stay competitive while drafting in the mid to late first round.

[SteelSD]

Steelers fans are really down on Canada.

Personally I think Vince Lombardi couldn't get that team to win, the personnel is pretty awful. Long time before they are relevant again.

The defense usually keeps them in enough games so that they are an expected 7-9 wins, which puts them with a middling draft pick- they cant rebuild picking mid teens or later every year.

Here are some shocking numbers I borrowed from a poster on steelersdepot.com, who in turn grabbed them from a Steelers Facebook forum page (no membership, so I can't link). These are from Canada's tenure as OC:

• The Steelers have more 1st quarter drives that end in turnovers (15) than they do touchdowns (13) since he took over.
• The Steelers average just 4.4 Yards Per Play on 1st down since he took over. Worst in the NFL.
• The Steelers are 1-15 if their opponent scores more than 22 points. Worst in the NFL.
• The Steelers offense is 2nd Worst in the NFL in yards in the 1st quarter since he took over.
• The Steelers offense is 2nd Worst in the NFL in points in the 1st quarter since he took over.
• The Steelers offense has had 26 first half drives this season. Only 1 of those have ended up in the red zone. Worst in the NFL.
• 61% of their drives this season reach 3rd down. Worst in the NFL.
• 55% of their drives result in a 3 and out. Worst in the NFL.
• The Steelers have scored 20 points or less 24 times since Matt Canada took over. Worst in the NFL.
• The Steelers have not had a game with 400 yards on offense since he took over. Every other team in the NFL has at least 4.
• EPA/play this season: Worst in the NFL.
• Dropback success rate: 2nd Worst in the NFL
• Rushing success rate: 3rd Worst in the NFL.

The skill position players are pretty good actually- Dionte Johnson (WR), George Pickens (WR), Pat Friermuth (TE), and Calvin Austin III (WR- first season; a 4.3 burner) at receiver, which is a good group. Harris isn't a great RB and was probably overdrafted, but he's not terrible. Jaylen Warren is a fine change-of-pace/3rd down back.

Now, the O-Line stinks, period. They added players, were supposed to get better this season and finished last year strong, but they're back to just pure awful. That doesn't help Kenny Pickett, but that also does not excuse the fact that he's not making the throws the few times he's been given a somewhat clean pocket.

The defense has its own issues. They're great at Edge, but their ILB staff has been retreads for a while now. Their starting secondary is old and slow, with the exception of Joey Porter Jr., who they won't give starters minutes. With Cam Heyward out, the best interior lineman is probably also a rookie (Benton).

But the stats I led with- that's Matt Canada. He just doesn't have the first clue what he's doing.

[goreds2]

As the Steelers radio announcers just said, " How sweet it is ! "

[RiverfrontRed]

And just like that! The Steelers are in 1st place!

[plantmanky]

1. only time im glad a steelers win is vs the Ravens, good job

2. That has to be the worst NFL game played Ive ever seen. Both teams played terrible.

[SteelSD]

And just like that! The Steelers are in 1st place!

I'd rephrase to, "The Steelers are in 1st place like that??"

At some point, they have to score more than one offensive touchdown. Glad they finally played Joey Porter Jr. a little more though- and it paid off big time. Yet, I still came out of that game feeling like the Ravens lost it rather than that the Steelers won it. I'd like to stop having that feeling at some point this season.

[goreds2]

Bye week coming up. Next game is:

WEEK 7
· Sun 10/22
4:05 PM EDT
Steelers AT
Los Angeles Rams
RAMS

FOX

[Tony Cloninger]

The Steelers are great at getting the stupidity of other teams to help them win games. Tomlin can say that’s classic Steeler game and they can enjoy turning games back to pre 1978 levels. The Browns and the Ravens helped them a lot. Yet they couldn’t do nothing against the Texans. 49ers I understand.

There’s something in the water that in the AFC North that turns these coaches into morons and players wetting themselves. Last year at Baltimore. Zack Taylor gave up going for a FG and called 3 of the worst plays from the 1-2 yard line. Cost them the game. Now Harbaugh does the same thing. Twice. Credit to Pickett who turns into Montana for some reason late in games against the Ravens.

[Bob Sheed]

Not exactly a semi-classic Steelers game. I didn't see Tomlin trip anyone on the sidelines. Nor did I see any dirty hits described as "good ole lunchpail blue-collar Steeler football."

And it certainly wasn't a classic-classic Steelers game. Not enough steroids and cheap-shots.

But they beat the Ravens. And they are in 1st Place in the AFC Central. So I give them credit where credit is due.

[RiverfrontRed]

Not exactly a semi-classic Steelers game. I didn't see Tomlin trip anyone on the sidelines. Nor did I see any dirty hits described as "good ole lunchpail blue-collar Steeler football."

And it certainly wasn't a classic-classic Steelers game. Not enough steroids and cheap-shots.

But they beat the Ravens. And they are in 1st Place in the AFC Central. So I give them credit where credit is due.

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[goreds2]

Not exactly a semi-classic Steelers game. I didn't see Tomlin trip anyone on the sidelines. Nor did I see any dirty hits described as "good ole lunchpail blue-collar Steeler football."

And it certainly wasn't a classic-classic Steelers game. Not enough steroids and cheap-shots.

But they beat the Ravens. And they are in 1st Place in the AFC Central. So I give them credit where credit is due.

Lol, that is exactly what Mrs. Goreds2 usually says. (She is Browns fan)

[Bob Sheed]

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https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mike-Tomlin-interference.jpg

Also, can you clarify the 6? Is that the number of Super Bowls for the Steelers, or is that the average head size circumference increase of Steeler players in the 1970s because of the roids?

[SteelSD]

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You'll have to excuse Bob. The Bengals are off to a 2-3 slow start so far against the Zebras this year- the only team Bob thinks they play against weekly. Imagine his confusion when the Bengals wear their white uniforms. He can't tell the Bengals from the opponent. Very frustrating for him, I'm sure.

[goreds2]

Next game:

Sunday Oct 29, 2023
vs
team
Jacksonville
1:00 pm est.
CBS
Acrisure Stadium

[Bob Sheed]

You'll have to excuse Bob. The Bengals are off to a 2-3 slow start so far against the Zebras this year- the only team Bob thinks they play against weekly. Imagine his confusion when the Bengals wear their white uniforms. He can't tell the Bengals from the opponent. Very frustrating for him, I'm sure.

Another gift from the zebras yesterday too.

[dubc47834]

Another gift from the zebras yesterday too.

Ahhh yeah...the weekly "refs helped the Steelers or refs hate the Bengals" post. Almost like clockwork!

[SteelSD]

Ahhh yeah...the weekly "refs helped the Steelers or refs hate the Bengals" post. Almost like clockwork!

I mean, it was a pretty crazy spot from what I saw, but I can't even imagine being a fan who's so owned by another team that my first thought after every game is how I can trash talk that other team's fans. I told ya' that some of these guys don't even realize that two football teams are playing.

Speaking of fans, I'm sure it was nice for Pittsburgh to play a home game in southern California yesterday. Yikes, Rams fans. Just terrible turnout.

[Bob Sheed]

Ahhh yeah...the weekly "refs helped the Steelers or refs hate the Bengals" post. Almost like clockwork!

Well, they weren't playing the Chiefs and Tom Brady is retired... :dunno:

You're right though, it is like clockwork. Good old blue collar lunchpail narrative clockwork.

[Revering4Blue]

The refs caused the Rams to surrender over 190 yards in total offense and two TDs in the second half while the Rams offense couldn’t get out of its own way. Who knew?


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[Bob Sheed]

Steeler fans denying the narrative and/or denying the existence of preferential treatment from it, are hilarious.

Most Chiefs fans I have spoken with about Mahommes special treatment, acknowledge it as a fact. But every single Steelers fan, I swear... They're like "whaaaa"? :dunno:

The Browns have gotten those calls the past two weeks. And everyone is like, "that's weird. They usually don't get those calls."

But when the Steelers get those calls, it's more like "well, it is Sunday... They aren't playing the Chiefs, and Brady is retired, so this tracks..." :lol:

And Steelers fan are like "Why Ike, whatever do you mean?" :lol:

[goreds2]

Next game:

Sunday Oct 29, 2023
vs
team
Jacksonville
1:00 pm est.
CBS
Acrisure Stadium

This game will be on Columbus, Ohio affiliate CBS today.

[Sea Ray]

Steelers’ bill came due today for the nice calls they got last week


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[KoryMac5]

With the talent that Pickens has it's amazing to me that he virtually disappears when Dionte is on the field.

[SteelSD]

With the talent that Pickens has it's amazing to me that he virtually disappears when Dionte is on the field.

Pickens' route tree changes and the offensive line is so bad that Pickett rarely has a chance to get through a full progression sequence. And, although his hands can be suspect at times, DJ is one of the best in the business at getting himself open.

[Kingspoint]

Pickett's tunnel-vision with Johnson is ridiculous.

[goreds2]

Steelers first team in NFL history to have this result despite being out-gained in each of first eight games


Perhaps the most surprising part of that 5-3 record: In each of their first eight games, the Steelers' opponent had more offensive yards than they did. This marks only the 34th time in NFL history a team was out-gained in each of the first eight weeks, per the Elias Sports Bureau ... and the first time ever that one of those teams has had a winning record.

In total, the Steelers have been out-gained by 790 yards this season and outscored by 30 points. Somehow, even as their opponents are racking up more yards and points, Mike Tomlin's Steelers are finding ways to get checks in the win column.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-first-team-in-nfl-history-to-have-this-result-despite-being-out-gained-in-each-of-first-eight-games/

[bucksfan2]

I wonder if the Steelers are going to be in this purgatory for quite a while now. Good enough to be competitive, not good enough to be a serious contender, and will end up right around .500 and drafting in the middle to late first round.

The Steelers may be a team that needs a hard reset, a bad season that gives them a top 5 pick and allows then to draft a franchise QB. I don't think Pickett is that.

[Bob Sheed]

dp

[Bob Sheed]

I wonder if the Steelers are going to be in this purgatory for quite a while now. Good enough to be competitive, not good enough to be a serious contender, and will end up right around .500 and drafting in the middle to late first round.

The Steelers may be a team that needs a hard reset, a bad season that gives them a top 5 pick and allows then to draft a franchise QB. I don't think Pickett is that.

I have been watching condensed games this season and last, thanks to the interwebz.

Pickett plays just well enough not to get benched. Every once in a while, he has one of those good games where you think he might turn the corner. Then the following week, he's sailing passes again. But you can't bench him. Because, you know, "he's ok...".

I don't wish injury on any NFL player, but I especially don't wish injury on Kenny Pickett. Because QB injury is the only way the Steelers get out of this 7-9 win purgatory they are in, and that's not something I'm rooting for.

The Bengals had a QB that Pickett reminds me of. Super nice guy. Team player, all of that. He would play 'ok' against the bottom-feeders and mediocre teams of the NFL, and get destroyed against the elite teams. He was like the Anti-John Elway.

His name?

Jon Kitna. As far as Steelers go, Pickett's high water mark looks a lot like Bubby Brister.

I hope the Steelers keep running Kenny Kitna out there for many years to come. Warms my heart, it does.

[WVRed]

I have been watching condensed games this season and last, thanks to the interwebz.

Pickett plays just well enough not to get benched. Every once in a while, he has one of those good games where you think he might turn the corner. Then the following week, he's sailing passes again. But you can't bench him. Because, you know, "he's ok...".

I don't wish injury on any NFL player, but I especially don't wish injury on Kenny Pickett. Because QB injury is the only way the Steelers get out of this 7-9 win purgatory they are in, and that's not something I'm rooting for.

The Bengals had a QB that Pickett reminds me of. Super nice guy. Team player, all of that. He would play 'ok' against the bottom-feeders and mediocre teams of the NFL, and get destroyed against the elite teams. He was like the Anti-John Elway.

His name?

Jon Kitna. As far as Steelers go, Pickett's high water mark looks a lot like Bubby Brister.

I hope the Steelers keep running Kenny Kitna out there for many years to come. Warms my heart, it does.I was gonna say Andy Dalton. Has to have everything else going right in order to succeed.

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[WVRed]

What is it with the Steelers and primadonna wide receivers?

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/03/pittsburgh-steelers-george-pickens-disassociates-instagram-nfl/

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[Tony Cloninger]

The 1989 Steelers opened 0-2 outscored 10-92 and lost to the Bengals twice. They made the playoffs. The Bengals at 8-8 did not. I’ve seen enough of their BS their way to win games during their down years. The Cliff Stoudt year of 1983 was just beyond excruciating. Let alone the Bubby and Kordell stuff.

The difference I see is that the Bengals also now seem to be able to BS their way to win games this way as well. Back in the 80s they would F up some way even with all that talent. 1981. 1982. 1988. All that great offense talent. Enough on defense to at least win 9-10 games with that talent but they could not from 83-85 and 89.

Back to the Steelers. They looked good running the ball. I would watch for them trying to do this more moving forward. Pickett looks like Dalton for 3 quarters then prime Raider Ken Stabler when the game is in the balance. Other teams play scared or do stupid things. Playing to the shirt or some BS like that.

[SteelSD]

The 1989 Steelers opened 0-2 outscored 10-92 and lost to the Bengals twice. They made the playoffs. The Bengals at 8-8 did not. I’ve seen enough of their BS their way to win games during their down years. The Cliff Stoudt year of 1983 was just beyond excruciating. Let alone the Bubby and Kordell stuff.

The difference I see is that the Bengals also now seem to be able to BS their way to win games this way as well. Back in the 80s they would F up some way even with all that talent. 1981. 1982. 1988. All that great offense talent. Enough on defense to at least win 9-10 games with that talent but they could not from 83-85 and 89.

Back to the Steelers. They looked good running the ball. I would watch for them trying to do this more moving forward. Pickett looks like Dalton for 3 quarters then prime Raider Ken Stabler when the game is in the balance. Other teams play scared or do stupid things. Playing to the shirt or some BS like that.

IF they can hang around in a game long enough, the Steelers are very good at capitalizing on an opponent's "choke" potential. Call it the "Flacco Factor", if there needs to be a term for it. It's stupid, it causes high blood pressure, and it's negated with any appearance of Mitch Trubisky, but it's real.

I'd prefer that they win games by the offensive line blocking well, executing plays that weren't written in crayon, and the QB hitting simple throws, but I get what I get.

[WVRed]

IF they can hang around in a game long enough, the Steelers are very good at capitalizing on an opponent's "choke" potential. Call it the "Flacco Factor", if there needs to be a term for it. It's stupid, it causes high blood pressure, and it's negated with any appearance of Mitch Trubisky, but it's real.

I'd prefer that they win games by the offensive line blocking well, executing plays that weren't written in crayon, and the QB hitting simple throws, but I get what I get.Unless Trubisky is playing the Bengals, then he looks like the second coming of Tom Brady.

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[SteelSD]

Unless Trubisky is playing the Bengals, then he looks like the second coming of Tom Brady.

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I was in Cinci at the game in 2000 (I think that's the year) when Kordell Stewart threw up three TD passes and hung 48 points on the Bengals. It was like watching a baby giraffe win an Olympic figure skating gold medal. No one knew what the heck just happened, me included.

[Bob Sheed]

I was in Cinci at the game in 2000 (I think that's the year) when Kordell Stewart threw up three TD passes and hung 48 points on the Bengals. It was like watching a baby giraffe win an Olympic figure skating gold medal. No one knew what the heck just happened, me included.

Here's the Bengals QBs on that 2000 roster:
4 Scott Covington
19 Scott Mitchell
11 Akili Smith

The defense was trash.
Zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

This was the season that the Bengals head coach actually walked off and quit mid-season too, if memory serves. That's how bad it was.

I was hoping Kordell would be behind center for many years to come, but it was not to be. After a brief stint with Miracle Maddox, some guy from Ohio showed up and solidified the QB position for the next 20 years, en route to his inevitable NFL Hall of Fame induction.

Now I'm just happy they keep rolling out Kenny Brister every week.

Because the only thing better than a 4-12 Steelers season, is a 7-9 Steelers season, with glimmers of hope right up until the end there. Warms this ole chunk of coal's heart, it does.

[Sea Ray]

Here's the Bengals QBs on that 2000 roster:
4 Scott Covington
19 Scott Mitchell
11 Akili Smith

The defense was trash.
Zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

This was the season that the Bengals head coach actually walked off and quit mid-season too, if memory serves. That's how bad it was.

I was hoping Kordell would be behind center for many years to come, but it was not to be. After a brief stint with Miracle Maddox, some guy from Ohio showed up and solidified the QB position for the next 20 years, en route to his inevitable NFL Hall of Fame induction.

Now I'm just happy they keep rolling out Kenny Brister every week.

Because the only thing better than a 4-12 Steelers season, is a 7-9 Steelers season, with glimmers of hope right up until the end there. Warms this ole chunk of coal's heart, it does.

As Bengal fans, the best thing you hope for are (for the Steelers) 9-8/8-9 seasons. You don't want tank seasons. Look at what tanking did for teams like ours, Detroit and Cleveland? I don't want the Steelers to get guys like Penei Sewell , Myles Garrett or even Joe Burrow. You only get those kinds of talent if you tank. Maybe to their credit or possibly detriment, it's not in their DNA to tank

[dubc47834]

Here's the Bengals QBs on that 2000 roster:
4 Scott Covington
19 Scott Mitchell
11 Akili Smith

The defense was trash.
Zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

This was the season that the Bengals head coach actually walked off and quit mid-season too, if memory serves. That's how bad it was.

I was hoping Kordell would be behind center for many years to come, but it was not to be. After a brief stint with Miracle Maddox, some guy from Ohio showed up and solidified the QB position for the next 20 years, en route to his inevitable NFL Hall of Fame induction.

Now I'm just happy they keep rolling out Kenny Brister every week.

Because the only thing better than a 4-12 Steelers season, is a 7-9 Steelers season, with glimmers of hope right up until the end there. Warms this ole chunk of coal's heart, it does.

When was the last time the Steelers finished 7-9, hell 4-12?

[WVRed]

As Bengal fans, the best thing you hope for are (for the Steelers) 9-8/8-9 seasons. You don't want tank seasons. Look at what tanking did for teams like ours, Detroit and Cleveland? I don't want the Steelers to get guys like Penei Sewell , Myles Garrett or even Joe Burrow. You only get those kinds of talent if you tank. Maybe to their credit or possibly detriment, it's not in their DNA to tankProblem is they either 1. Hit on whatever draft picks they make or 2. Trade up to get an impact player. The draft hasn't really been too kind to them lately though.



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[WVRed]

When was the last time the Steelers finished 7-9, hell 4-12?The last losing season was 2003.

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[WVRed]

Here's the Bengals QBs on that 2000 roster:
4 Scott Covington
19 Scott Mitchell
11 Akili Smith

The defense was trash.
Zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

This was the season that the Bengals head coach actually walked off and quit mid-season too, if memory serves. That's how bad it was.

I was hoping Kordell would be behind center for many years to come, but it was not to be. After a brief stint with Miracle Maddox, some guy from Ohio showed up and solidified the QB position for the next 20 years, en route to his inevitable NFL Hall of Fame induction.

Now I'm just happy they keep rolling out Kenny Brister every week.

Because the only thing better than a 4-12 Steelers season, is a 7-9 Steelers season, with glimmers of hope right up until the end there. Warms this ole chunk of coal's heart, it does.Bruce Coslet. He resigned and Dick Lebeau took over.

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[Sea Ray]

Bruce Coslet. He resigned and Dick Lebeau took over.



Who was even worse than Coslet...

[WVRed]

Who was even worse than Coslet...Coslet was a HOF defensive coordinator. Head coach, not so much.

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[Bob Sheed]

Coslet was a HOF defensive coordinator. Head coach, not so much.

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That was Lebeau.

Coslet was a decent OC though.

[Sea Ray]

That was Lebeau.

Coslet was a decent OC though.

Exactly. I assume he got the two confused

[Bob Sheed]

Exactly. I assume he got the two confused

Yep, that one is hard to forget.

The Bengals basically Peter Principled LeBeau into failure as a head coach for a broken franchise, then the Steelers hired him as Defensive Coordinator, where he excels, and LeBeau punished the Bengals for the next decade.

Meanwhile, Quittin' Bruce Coslet stuck around the league one more year, this time, to sully the Dallas Cowboys (badly), and was then out of the NFL permanently.

Some say Coslet still wakes up in the middle of the night, drenched in sweat, repeating the name over and over again: Kordella... Kordella...

[goreds2]

Always find a way to win.

[SteelSD]

Always find a way to win.

Despite it being another near-heart attack win, it was a fun 20 minutes of football- Steelers seal the game with an INT, Bengals and Ravens lose on walk-off field goals. That being said, it's quite possible that Pittsburgh will be all alone in last place in the AFC North after the next two weeks, given the way they're playing.

[KoryMac5]

Despite it being another near-heart attack win, it was a fun 20 minutes of football- Steelers seal the game with an INT, Bengals and Ravens lose on walk-off field goals. That being said, it's quite possible that Pittsburgh will be all alone in last place in the AFC North after the next two weeks, given the way they're playing.

Positives: They can run the ball now with Warren and Harris and play really solid D...

Negatives: Injuries are adding up, Pickett may not have the vision you want at that position.

I still think they are in the mix until the end. This division is really good

[Sea Ray]

Getting the calls is a hallmark of Steeler football

The angle at the 0:15 mark of this video is perfect. That tells you all you need to know, the pass is tailing backwards. It's a lateral. We rarely get such perfect angles so when we do there's no excuse to get the call wrong. I'd agree with Steratore if it weren't for that angle

https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1723783038402748470?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723783038402748470%7Ctwgr% 5Ecc52ba18cf5df3e898fcdef7439a9fe65f8c1371%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.go-bengals.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsyste mcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com %2Fawfulannouncing%2Fstatus%2F1723783038402748470% 3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed25 7Ctwterm255E1723783038402748470257Ctwgr255Efaaee97 c819949d8affa9256fd2f9e414bcd2a8b257Ctwcon255Es1_2 6ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftouchdownwire.usatoday.co m%2F2023%2F11%2F12%2Fbad-officiating-cheats-packers-on-kenny-picketts-backward-pass%2F

[Bob Sheed]

"Let's bring in our independent rules analyst" :lol:

"Well Gene, it does look like a backward pass at first glance, but you have to remember, it's a good ole blue collar lunchpail to work every day, hard-nosed backward pass, which is pretty much the same thing as an incomplete pass, so I think the officials got it right this time. And every time, really."

[SteelSD]

The Steelers are so popular that I get enough nationally and regionally televised games that I don't need to buy NFL Sunday Ticket. But I've become convinced that the price I pay for it is having to deal with Bob.

If Bob's married, I guarantee his wife isn't a Bengals fan, because those girls never expect a ring.

How many Bobs does it take to lift a Lombardi trophy? Only one, but a Steelers fan would have help him find it and explain what it's for.

It's been said that if a you gave a monkey a typewriter and let it hammer away at the keys long enough, eventually you'll get a novel. If a Bob types for the same amount of time, all you'll get is an excuse.

[Sea Ray]

"If Bob's married, I guarantee his wife isn't a Bengals fan, because those girls never expect a ring."

Didn't the cue cards tell you to tell the joke differently? I would think this would make more sense:


If Bob's married, I guarantee his wife is a Bengals fan, because those girls never expect a ring.

[Bob Sheed]

The Steelers are so popular that I get enough nationally and regionally televised games that I don't need to buy NFL Sunday Ticket. But I've become convinced that the price I pay for it is having to deal with Bob.

If Bob's married, I guarantee his wife isn't a Bengals fan, because those girls never expect a ring.

How many Bobs does it take to lift a Lombardi trophy? Only one, but a Steelers fan would have help him find it and explain what it's for.

It's been said that if a you gave a monkey a typewriter and let it hammer away at the keys long enough, eventually you'll get a novel. If a Bob types for the same amount of time, all you'll get is an excuse.

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[Sea Ray]

Once again the Steelers luck out in terms of timing. Browns are not going to start PJ Walker. They’re going with Dorian Thompson-Robinson in only his second career start and his first one didn’t go too good


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[RedTeamGo!]

Once again the Steelers luck out in terms of timing. Browns are not going to start PJ Walker. They’re going with Dorian Thompson-Robinson in only his second career start and his first one didn’t go too good


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Didn't matter. Myles Garrett absolutely destroyed the Steelers

[Sea Ray]

Didn't matter. Myles Garrett absolutely destroyed the Steelers

He does that to a lot of teams. Very poor QB play from both teams yesterday. That will limit success in the post season and against good teams. Browns' defense is better than the Steelers so that elevates them somewhat

[Dom Heffner]

What is lost on most Steeler fans is this:

1) They suck
2) They have been incredibly lucky
3) We should all be thankful because it means they are (yet again) going to end up with a middling draft pick that they cant use to rebuild or change the franchise.

If you get on these Facebook groups or hear them in general, their fans think they are going to the playoffs.

Most Steeler fans don't live in Pittsburgh, they live elsewhere and are fans just because of the Super Bowls, the 70s mystique.

It is so fun to watch them think they really are good- both sides of the ball they stink, they should be 2-9.

[Sea Ray]

They might sneak into the playoffs but that doesn’t change what they are, which is a middling team


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[WVRed]

They might sneak into the playoffs but that doesn’t change what they are, which is a middling team


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAs long as they have Pickett they will continue to be a middling team. They have themselves convinced he's the next Steeler great only because he played at Pitt and it's all Dan Canadas fault.

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[SteelSD]

What is lost on most Steeler fans is this:

1) They suck
2) They have been incredibly lucky
3) We should all be thankful because it means they are (yet again) going to end up with a middling draft pick that they cant use to rebuild or change the franchise.

If you get on these Facebook groups or hear them in general, their fans think they are going to the playoffs.

Most Steeler fans don't live in Pittsburgh, they live elsewhere and are fans just because of the Super Bowls, the 70s mystique.

It is so fun to watch them think they really are good- both sides of the ball they stink, they should be 2-9.

Oh, none of that is lost on me, Dom, nor is it actually lost on most Steelers fans I see online (check out steelersdepot.com), nor the Pittsburgh media (just listen to the Breakfast With Benz podcast at triblive.com).

Ain't no one happy right now.

[Dom Heffner]

Oh, none of that is lost on me, Dom, nor is it actually lost on most Steelers fans I see online (check out steelersdepot.com), nor the Pittsburgh media (just listen to the Breakfast With Benz podcast at triblive.com).

Ain't no one happy right now.

For the first ten weeks it was "Fire Matt Canada."

I think the real issue has hit some of them, it is just not a good team.

All snark aside and you know I love to trash talk that dreaded franchise....but winning isnt what they need to be doing right now.

And these Bengals fans hoping for the team to do well without Burrow....just why? Take the draft pick.

I think the Steelers beat the Bengals this week, they are bad but they arent that bad.

[Sea Ray]

For the first ten weeks it was "Fire Matt Canada."

I think the real issue has hit some of them, it is just not a good team.

All snark aside and you know I love to trash talk that dreaded franchise....but winning isnt what they need to be doing right now.

And these Bengals fans hoping for the team to do well without Burrow....just why? Take the draft pick.

I think the Steelers beat the Bengals this week, they are bad but they arent that bad.

I agree on a couple points. First one is that the worst thing middling teams can do is go 9-8. It's far better to crash and burn for a couple seasons and pick up elite players like Burrow and Chase

Secondly, it behooves the Bengals to lose out. Why win a few and go 8-9? Let's draft in the top half and go from there

As for this week's game, I expect them to lose but they did pull it together and beat the Steelers a few yrs ago with a backup so we can't rule that out

[WVRed]

For the first ten weeks it was "Fire Matt Canada."

I think the real issue has hit some of them, it is just not a good team.

All snark aside and you know I love to trash talk that dreaded franchise....but winning isnt what they need to be doing right now.

And these Bengals fans hoping for the team to do well without Burrow....just why? Take the draft pick.

I think the Steelers beat the Bengals this week, they are bad but they arent that bad.I think so too but I'm curious how Pittsburgh does offensively. They've been outgained against most teams and Cincinnati's offense will likely fall with Browning at QB.

Always think black and gold makes it way into Paycor this weekend. Always been a problem before even with the Bengals winning but with morale at an all time low and Burrow gone I imagine tickets will be easy (and cheap) to come by.

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[Dom Heffner]

I think so too but I'm curious how Pittsburgh does offensively. They've been outgained against most teams and Cincinnati's offense will likely fall with Browning at QB.

Always think black and gold makes it way into Paycor this weekend. Always been a problem before even with the Bengals winning but with morale at an all time low and Burrow gone I imagine tickets will be easy (and cheap) to come by.

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I think the Bengals lose this weekend. I think they can make a hero out of a meh guy like Kenny Pickett.

Would love to add a top half of the draft guy as Sea Ray said. Would go a long way in replacing people we are going to lose.

[Boss-Hog]

I think so too but I'm curious how Pittsburgh does offensively. They've been outgained against most teams and Cincinnati's offense will likely fall with Browning at QB.

Always think black and gold makes it way into Paycor this weekend. Always been a problem before even with the Bengals winning but with morale at an all time low and Burrow gone I imagine tickets will be easy (and cheap) to come by.

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Even with the extremely unfortunate Burrow injury that effectively means the end of legitimate contention this season, unless you're aware of something I'm not, morale isn't even close to being at an all time low.

[Dom Heffner]

Even with the extremely unfortunate Burrow injury that effectively means the end of legitimate contention this season, unless you're aware of something I'm not, morale isn't even close to being at an all time low.

I would say my frustration level is pretty high. Morale is fine. But still a little miffed.

I can't shake that staying healthy is a skill and Im worried Burrow is Tyler Eifert Part Deux. Im probably wrong, but he's had a career worth of injuries in 36 months.

Very Senzelish.

[Sea Ray]

I would say my frustration level is pretty high. Morale is fine. But still a little miffed.

I can't shake that staying healthy is a skill and Im worried Burrow is Tyler Eifert Part Deux. Im probably wrong, but he's had a career worth of injuries in 36 months.

Very Senzelish.

It is frustrating but there aren't many QBs I'd want instead.

I think it's more a Cincinnati sports thing. The Gods have decided that we're not allowed to have nice things...

[WVRed]

Even with the extremely unfortunate Burrow injury that effectively means the end of legitimate contention this season, unless you're aware of something I'm not, morale isn't even close to being at an all time low.I probably over exaggerated especially given Cincinnati sports fans overall history towards the Bengals but point being it would probably be pretty easy for Steelers fans to get tickets this weekend.

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[WVRed]

I would say my frustration level is pretty high. Morale is fine. But still a little miffed.

I can't shake that staying healthy is a skill and Im worried Burrow is Tyler Eifert Part Deux. Im probably wrong, but he's had a career worth of injuries in 36 months.

Very Senzelish.Carson Palmer 2.0. Except with a better playoff record.

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[RichRed]

The Steelers are the weirdest team. Pickett didn’t crack 100 passing yards until the 4th quarter, yet I still assumed they were going to win. When Warren broke that big run, it felt like, here we go again.

[SteelSD]

For the first ten weeks it was "Fire Matt Canada."

I think the real issue has hit some of them, it is just not a good team.

All snark aside and you know I love to trash talk that dreaded franchise....but winning isnt what they need to be doing right now.

And these Bengals fans hoping for the team to do well without Burrow....just why? Take the draft pick.

I think the Steelers beat the Bengals this week, they are bad but they arent that bad.

Oh, they still need to fire Matt Canada. Over 45 games as the Steelers' OC, and he's never called a game where the team has produced 400 yards of offense. Not one. Pickett, who's also becoming more and more of a problem weekly, didn't play in all of 'em. I've stated before that I wish they'd lose a ton of games, but they don't...because Tomlin's dumb streak. And thanks for the vote of confidence, but Pittsburgh can lose to anyone. That offense creates no separation at all.

[SteelSD]

The Steelers are the weirdest team. Pickett didn’t crack 100 passing yards until the 4th quarter, yet I still assumed they were going to win. When Warren broke that big run, it felt like, here we go again.

To clarify, Pickett didn't crack 100 passing yards until the last futile play of the game. He made zero pro QB throws. If it weren't for George Pickens insane catch radius, Pickett may not have cracked 70 yards passing.

[KoryMac5]

Watch Pickett throw for 300 yds vs the Bengals it would be just our luck..

I do think they have found something in Warren though he feels a lot more explosive than Harris who has been hampered by injuries the past few years.

[SteelSD]

Watch Pickett throw for 300 yds vs the Bengals it would be just our luck..

The way he's playing, those 300 yards might be acquired against the Bengals, but only if you add up his output for each game they play against Cinci through the end of next season.


I do think they have found something in Warren though he feels a lot more explosive than Harris who has been hampered by injuries the past few years.

Tomlin is in full-on denial mode with Harris v Warren. The two are 6 yards apart on the season and Warren has 48 fewer carries, while also being able to catch the football. Harris has a role...maybe...but only while he's super cheap.

[RedTeamGo!]

Najee Harris is a good example of why you don’t spend 1st round picks on RBs

[Sea Ray]

Steelers finally fired Matt Canada. Why now, I don't know

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-fire-oc-matt-canada-team-promotes-running-backs-coach-eddie-faulkner-to-position/

[WVRed]

Steelers finally fired Matt Canada. Why now, I don't know

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-fire-oc-matt-canada-team-promotes-running-backs-coach-eddie-faulkner-to-position/Looks like Steelers fans are getting their wish, and of course right before they play the Bengals.

Mike Sullivan will probably do enough to get promoted and fans will want to run him off next year when they have the same results.

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[SteelSD]

You know how badly you have to stink for the Steelers to fire you from a coaching or coordinator job during the season?

Until today, it hadn't happened since 1941.

And if they do nothing but hire an internal candidate in the off-season, Tomlin needs to go too.

[RedTeamGo!]

Mike Tomlin and Steelers FO:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYB6ZSwdrvM

I do not know much about Canada, but I don't see how any NFL OC can succeed with Pickett under center and a bad OL. The Steelers offense stinks because of drafting.

[SteelSD]

Mike Tomlin and Steelers FO:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYB6ZSwdrvM

I do not know much about Canada, but I don't see how any NFL OC can succeed with Pickett under center and a bad OL. The Steelers offense stinks because of drafting.

Matt Canada was not a scapegoat. He was an historically terrible offensive coordinator. There's more than enough information online if you want to research.

[Sea Ray]

Mike Tomlin and Steelers FO:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYB6ZSwdrvM

I do not know much about Canada, but I don't see how any NFL OC can succeed with Pickett under center and a bad OL. The Steelers offense stinks because of drafting.

Pickett has been missing "layup" throws of late. He's not good

[RichRed]

This is just surface level research but in Sullivan’s prior stints as OC, here’s where the teams ranked in terms of points scored:

2012 - TB - 13th
2013 - TB - 30th
2016 - NYG - 26th
2017 - NYG - 31st

But he did graduate from U.S. Army Ranger School and has a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he’ll fit right in with good old tough, hard-nosed, tough, lunch pail, tough as nails Steelers football. ;)

[dubc47834]

Pickett has been missing "layup" throws of late. He's not good

He's Justin Wilson on a better team/franchise!

[RichRed]

He's Justin Wilson on a better team/franchise!

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[WVRed]

You know how badly you have to stink for the Steelers to fire you from a coaching or coordinator job during the season?

Until today, it hadn't happened since 1941.

And if they do nothing but hire an internal candidate in the off-season, Tomlin needs to go too.Out of curiosity who was the last coordinator or front office executive the Steelers had that was hired outside the organization?

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[SteelSD]

Out of curiosity who was the last coordinator or front office executive the Steelers had that was hired outside the organization?

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Todd Haley, I believe. He also stunk.

[RedTeamGo!]

Matt Canada was not a scapegoat. He was an historically terrible offensive coordinator. There's more than enough information online if you want to research.

I am sure Canada was bad, but how could anyone be good with Pickett under center with that awful OL that hasn't been properly addressed for years? The Steelers offense is a drafting issue more than a playcalling issue IMHO.

[SteelSD]

I am sure Canada was bad, but how could anyone be good with Pickett under center with that awful OL that hasn't been properly addressed for years? The Steelers offense is a drafting issue more than a playcalling issue IMHO.

Pickett has played in 13 games. Matt Canada has been responsible for the same level of putrid offensive performance for 45 games. You don't really understand how bad Canada's offense has been.

[RedTeamGo!]

Pickett has played in 13 games. Matt Canada has been responsible for the same level of putrid offensive performance for 45 games. You don't really understand how bad Canada's offense has been.

Like I said, I’m sure he is bad, but you need players. Pickett is booty cheeks.

[Sea Ray]

Out of curiosity who was the last coordinator or front office executive the Steelers had that was hired outside the organization?

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Probably Teryl Austin, the current D coordinator. The Bengals and Marvin Lewis fired him


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[WVRed]

Probably Teryl Austin, the current D coordinator. The Bengals and Marvin Lewis fired him


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAustin was brought in as a secondary coach and took over for Keith Butler, who retired. Again, promoting from within.

Todd Haley is probably the only one as Steel said.

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[SteelSD]

Austin was brought in as a secondary coach and took over for Keith Butler, who retired. Again, promoting from within.

Todd Haley is probably the only one as Steel said.

Kevin Gilbride

[SteelSD]

Like I said, I’m sure he is bad, but you need players. Pickett is booty cheeks.

The players are not present to make the Offensive Coordinator to look good. The Offensive Coordinator is present to give the players the best chance to succeed. Matt Canada utterly failed to do his job. So he's gone.

[SteelSD]

Number of 400 yard offensive output games over 45 games with Matt Canada as Offensive Coordinator- 0

Number of 400 yard offensive output games over 1 game after Matt Canada was fired as Offensive Coordinator- 1

The offensive line still needs work and Kenny Pickett needs to consistently reproduce today's success (278 yards/72% completion rate), but Canada is one HUGE problem now in the Steeler's rear view mirror.

[WVRed]

Number of 400 yard offensive output games over 45 games with Matt Canada as Offensive Coordinator- 0

Number of 400 yard offensive output games over 1 game after Matt Canada was fired as Offensive Coordinator- 1

The offensive line still needs work and Kenny Pickett needs to consistently reproduce today's success (278 yards/72% completion rate), but Canada is one HUGE problem now in the Steeler's rear view mirror.Congratulations on the win but I'd gauge a more clearer picture based on what happens after this week.

A win against a Burrow-less Bengals team doesn't really show anything.

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[SteelSD]

Congratulations on the win but I'd gauge a more clearer picture based on what happens after this week.

A win against a Burrow-less Bengals team doesn't really show anything.

Well, I think I clearly acknowledged that we'd need to see continued improvement when I said, "...Pickett needs to consistently reproduce today's success...". Not sure that losing Joe Burrow gutted the Bengals' defense though. They were out there. They just got beat. Saying that today's game "...doesn't show anything..." isn't necessarily an accurate statement.

[goreds2]

Steelers vs Arizona will be on Columbus, Ohio local CBS TV Sunday 12/3/23 1pm est.

https://www.10tv.com/mobile/tv-listings

[WVRed]

Well, I think I clearly acknowledged that we'd need to see continued improvement when I said, "...Pickett needs to consistently reproduce today's success...". Not sure that losing Joe Burrow gutted the Bengals' defense though. They were out there. They just got beat. Saying that today's game "...doesn't show anything..." isn't necessarily an accurate statement.

It does when the defense is constantly on the field due to a lack of offense. It goes hand in hand.

Don't get me wrong, regardless of who's fault it was, Pickett had been bad heading into this game. Really though the two games the Steelers defense got utterly gashed was SF and Houston.

But yeah, the Bengals defense is bad too. Losing Vonn Bell and Jessie Bates has had an impact in the secondary.

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[SteelSD]

It does when the defense is constantly on the field due to a lack of offense. It goes hand in hand.

Don't get me wrong, regardless of who's fault it was, Pickett had been bad heading into this game. Really though the two games the Steelers defense got utterly gashed was SF and Houston.

But yeah, the Bengals defense is bad too. Losing Vonn Bell and Jessie Bates has had an impact in the secondary.

The Steelers hadn't put up 400 yards of offense in 45 games with Matt Canada running it. You think this is the first time in 46 games the Steelers went up a team that put up a bad offensive showing or had a dinged up defense? Seems to me that when when both teams have 10 total possessions in a game, but one converts on 8 of 17 third downs and has 22 1st downs total, the reason that team seem to have the ball all the time is that they're simply extending drives, which points to their own output, not the failure of the opposing offense. That's something the Steelers simply didn't do at any point in Matt Canada's tenure no matter the quality of the opponent.

[RedTeamGo!]

Well, I think I clearly acknowledged that we'd need to see continued improvement when I said, "...Pickett needs to consistently reproduce today's success...". Not sure that losing Joe Burrow gutted the Bengals' defense though. They were out there. They just got beat. Saying that today's game "...doesn't show anything..." isn't necessarily an accurate statement.

It absolutely does affect the Steelers offense not having burrow play. The bengals offense ran like 35 plays, so the Steelers offense had a ton of opportunities to gain yardage. Couldn’t really score, though.

[SteelSD]

It absolutely does affect the Steelers offense not having burrow play. The bengals offense ran like 35 plays, so the Steelers offense had a ton of opportunities to gain yardage. Couldn’t really score, though.

Again, both teams had 10 possessions. The Bengals failure to sustain drives did not result in an unbalanced number of possessions in Pittsburgh's favor, nor did it somehow guarantee that Pittsburgh would run a ton more plays than the Bengals on the way to gaining a ton more yards. Each team had equal opportunity. It's just that the Steelers did a much, MUCH better job of sustaining their drives than they had over the last...oh...THREE YEARS. The consistent first downs and late-down conversions from Pittsburgh were the key factor keeping the Bengals offense off the field, aided by Pickett...I mean, "Booty Cheeks", who had what was likely his best NFL game.

You really should have spent a little more time researching how truly terrible Matt Canada was as an offensive coordinator. Instead, I have to read about how it must have been the Bengals fault that the Steelers finally ran out something resembling an NFL offense the moment he was kicked to the curb. Will it continue? I dunno'. But there's a much better chance now than at any point during the previous 45 games.

[bucksfan2]

Again, both teams had 10 possessions. The Bengals failure to sustain drives did not result in an unbalanced number of possessions in Pittsburgh's favor, nor did it somehow guarantee that Pittsburgh would run a ton more plays than the Bengals on the way to gaining a ton more yards. Each team had equal opportunity. It's just that the Steelers did a much, MUCH better job of sustaining their drives than they had over the last...oh...THREE YEARS. The consistent first downs and late-down conversions from Pittsburgh were the key factor keeping the Bengals offense off the field, aided by Pickett...I mean, "Booty Cheeks", who had what was likely his best NFL game.

You really should have spent a little more time researching how truly terrible Matt Canada was as an offensive coordinator. Instead, I have to read about how it must have been the Bengals fault that the Steelers finally ran out something resembling an NFL offense the moment he was kicked to the curb. Will it continue? I dunno'. But there's a much better chance now than at any point during the previous 45 games.

I watched most of the game yesterday and nothing Pitt really did impressed me. Browning was bad, everything the Bengals did was underneath, and Pitt's D feasted on that. There was a point in the game where the Bengals were up, and putting together a pretty nice drive. Had they gotten a TD, gone up 2 scores, I think the game may have played out differently. Instead Browning threw a pick, the Steelers scored, and the rest was history.

As for the offense, Pickett aint it. They look like they have found a nice RB, George Pickens looks seems to be a diva WR.

[WVRed]

I watched most of the game yesterday and nothing Pitt really did impressed me. Browning was bad, everything the Bengals did was underneath, and Pitt's D feasted on that. There was a point in the game where the Bengals were up, and putting together a pretty nice drive. Had they gotten a TD, gone up 2 scores, I think the game may have played out differently. Instead Browning threw a pick, the Steelers scored, and the rest was history.

As for the offense, Pickett aint it. They look like they have found a nice RB, George Pickens looks seems to be a diva WR.Except the Steelers have the second easiest schedule left and I'm sure the NFL is salivating into them backing into one of the final playoff spots. Especially with the Ohio teams crumbling due to injury.

But hey, whatever keeps the train moving.

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[SteelSD]

I watched most of the game yesterday and nothing Pitt really did impressed me. Browning was bad, everything the Bengals did was underneath, and Pitt's D feasted on that. There was a point in the game where the Bengals were up, and putting together a pretty nice drive. Had they gotten a TD, gone up 2 scores, I think the game may have played out differently. Instead Browning threw a pick, the Steelers scored, and the rest was history.

As for the offense, Pickett aint it. They look like they have found a nice RB, George Pickens looks seems to be a diva WR.

I wasn't looking for the offense to "impress"; only to be something resembling a real NFL offense. They checked that box on Sunday for the first time in a very very long time. For example, they attacked seams over the middle, leading to Pat Friermuth rolling up 120 yards on 9 receptions. Under Canada, Pittsburgh's offense couldn't figure out that Tight Ends existed, nor would they attack the middle of the field. They threw past the sticks on third down to sustain drives rather than throwing three yard dump offs on third and six. That helped get Najee Harris going to the tune of 99 yards, at 6.6 YPC. They let Pickett take risks down the field, and he hit his targets while continuing his streak of throwing no picks. Oh, they need to turn the yards into more points, and would have had both the officials and Mike Tomlin not been blind on the blown Dionte Johnson "incompletion" on a clear TD reception. But Pittsburgh overcame that and a few other bounces that went the Bengals way.

And you might be right on Pickett. But at least they've cleared out the biggest offensive impediment they had, which was absolutely, no doubt about it, Matt freakin' Canada. Now it's up to Pickett to perform, or not. And I really don't care if Pickens turns out to be a "diva" as long as he continues to catch anything thrown near him when targeted. That being said, there were more offensive players ticked off at the futility of Canada's offense game plans and play calling, and they were becoming more vocal about it as the weeks progressed. They're not all "divas". So maybe Pickens wasn't so much a malcontent as he was the first to raise his hand about the high school-level offense Canada was trying to sell. Time will tell.

Finally, Jake Browning was not bad. He posted a 73% completion rate, 11.9 yards per completion, and 8.7 yards per pass attempt, which was a higher rate than Pickett had (8.4 YPA). That YPA from Browning was higher this week than guys like Brock Purdy, Tua Tagovailoa, C.J. Stroud, Matthew Stafford, Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and one tenth of a yard off Patrick Mahomes' results (with Browning having more Yards per Completion). On the pick he threw, he just got beat by the Steelers' DB (Trenton Thompson), who made a great play on the coverage switch. The real issue was the complete lack of even an attempt at a running game for the Bengals.

[Bob Sheed]

I agree with SteelSD. They need to extend Pickett now. Dude is the real deal. If Sunday didn't prove this, nothing will.

Plz hurry and sign Pickett to multiple years, and very expensive. Because look at what he just did! 400 yards!

Please hurry, Steelers. Sign him. It is your destiny.

[Dom Heffner]

Bengals fans blaming the defense giving up 425 yards because the offense wasn't on the field- Im not having any of that.

The Steelers are a not very good football team- we should all be thankful they are 7-4- they are gonna get bounced first round and end up with a lousy draft pick.

As for us- I hope Lou Anarumo gets a head coaching job somewhere, fine with me, if that is the sort of crap they are going to pull on the field.

[SteelSD]

I agree with SteelSD. They need to extend Pickett now. Dude is the real deal. If Sunday didn't prove this, nothing will.

Plz hurry and sign Pickett to multiple years, and very expensive. Because look at what he just did! 400 yards!

Please hurry, Steelers. Sign him. It is your destiny.

Sure, Bob. Totally what I said. While complaining that Pickett wasn't hitting open receivers, what I was really saying is that he's a Hall of Fame lock. Damn, as much as you complain about Larry, it's amazing how hard you try to be a dull version of him.

OR...you might want to at least act like you actually do understand that all I've been saying is that Pickett hasn't proven to me that he's no good. Oh, he can. Just not yet.

[Bob Sheed]

Sure, Bob. Totally what I said. While complaining that Pickett wasn't hitting open receivers, what I was really saying is that he's a Hall of Fame lock. Damn, as much as you complain about Larry, it's amazing how hard you try to be a dull version of him.

OR...you might want to at least act like you actually do understand that all I've been saying is that Pickett hasn't proven to me that he's no good. Oh, he can. Just not yet.

Hopefully it takes the Steelers just as long for it to sink in.

Ideally, sometime after they have extended him.

[Kingspoint]

Again, both teams had 10 possessions. The Bengals failure to sustain drives did not result in an unbalanced number of possessions in Pittsburgh's favor, nor did it somehow guarantee that Pittsburgh would run a ton more plays than the Bengals on the way to gaining a ton more yards. Each team had equal opportunity. It's just that the Steelers did a much, MUCH better job of sustaining their drives than they had over the last...oh...THREE YEARS. The consistent first downs and late-down conversions from Pittsburgh were the key factor keeping the Bengals offense off the field, aided by Pickett...I mean, "Booty Cheeks", who had what was likely his best NFL game.

You really should have spent a little more time researching how truly terrible Matt Canada was as an offensive coordinator. Instead, I have to read about how it must have been the Bengals fault that the Steelers finally ran out something resembling an NFL offense the moment he was kicked to the curb. Will it continue? I dunno'. But there's a much better chance now than at any point during the previous 45 games.

What the Bengals failure to convert 3rd Downs do was give the Steelers a greater beginning-of-drive average than the Bengals. That makes life much easier for a young Quarterback, while it also opens up a greater variety of plays that can be called. There are plays you simply can't call from inside your own 35 that you can call from beyond your own 35.

[SteelSD]

What the Bengals failure to convert 3rd Downs do was give the Steelers a greater beginning-of-drive average than the Bengals. That makes life much easier for a young Quarterback, while it also opens up a greater variety of plays that can be called. There are plays you simply can't call from inside your own 35 that you can call from beyond your own 35.

Excluding the end of half and end of game kneel-downs, Pittsburgh's average starting position was their own 25.7 yard line. Cincinnati's average starting position was their own 26.3 yard line. The Bengals, not the Steelers, had the better average drive starting position during that game. Going forward, please do the work to validate your theories before posting them as facts. Thank you.

[Bob Sheed]

Mitch Trubisky.

[Sea Ray]

Well, I think I clearly acknowledged that we'd need to see continued improvement when I said, "...Pickett needs to consistently reproduce today's success...". Not sure that losing Joe Burrow gutted the Bengals' defense though. They were out there. They just got beat. Saying that today's game "...doesn't show anything..." isn't necessarily an accurate statement.

That Steeler offense was back to Matt Canada levels vs one of the worst teams in the league, Arizona.

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Mitch Trubisky.

I don't know that going from Pickett to Trubisky is much off a drop off.

[Bob Sheed]

I don't know that going from Pickett to Trubisky is much off a drop off.

Whichever they go with of the two, the Steelers could save some dough and just give them Bubby Brister's old jersey to wear.

[Redsfaithful]

Steelers seem like a team that should go after a tier2/tier3 QB in FA. Or even a quasi-tier 1 guy like Kirk Cousins. Hopefully they do extend Pickett though.

[Dom Heffner]

Steelers seem like a team that should go after a tier2/tier3 QB in FA. Or even a quasi-tier 1 guy like Kirk Cousins. Hopefully they do extend Pickett though.

I think this is the answer- the AFC is so weak they are going to have a .500ish record- which lands them somewhere in the draft that I dont think you can draft a QB with confidence.

[Redsfaithful]

Tomlin has never had a losing record I think? Someone can correct that if I'm wrong, but it leaves them in a tough spot when it comes to acquiring a franchise QB. They might want to move up in a draft and get one they really believe in at some point because they aren't going to be able to keep up with Jackson and Burrow most years, even with an elite defense.

The FA route also makes all kinds of sense for them. Tom Brady would have made all kinds of sense for them, now maybe Cousins would.

[Kingspoint]

Seriously. Who didn't see this coming when they went to the 17-game schedule. No NFL player is physically capable of surviving this number of plays for this long of a stretch into a year. When you look at the QB position, it was inevitable that teams would need 2 to 3 Quarterbacks, all of capable abilities, to survive a season.

Teams have to stop letting Starting Quarterbacks play unnecessary snaps, and that's at least 25% of the snaps that they play all season. This old school thinking that the QB should play every snap of a game, even in a blowout, is assinine. That's fine when it was a 12-game season and there were 4 playoff teams in each league...a college schedule, but that ended when they went to 16-game seasons and now it's criminal to expect any NFL player to play as much as they ask them to now with a 17-game schedule and 18-week regular season, that's a 50% longer regular season schedule than the 12-game schedule, while the playoff period where a player has to stay in NFL-ready shape is also 50% longer than it used to be, so the entire season is 50% longer than it used to be. The only reason it is what it is, is because the Players Union is basically non-existent and always has been. NFL players are used and abused by the NFL Owners. Doesn't matter what they get paid.

[Bob Sheed]

Seriously. Who didn't see this coming when they went to the 17-game schedule. No NFL player is physically capable of surviving this number of plays for this long of a stretch into a year. When you look at the QB position, it was inevitable that teams would need 2 to 3 Quarterbacks, all of capable abilities, to survive a season.

Teams have to stop letting Starting Quarterbacks play unnecessary snaps, and that's at least 25% of the snaps that they play all season. This old school thinking that the QB should play every snap of a game, even in a blowout, is assinine. That's fine when it was a 12-game season and there were 4 playoff teams in each league...a college schedule, but that ended when they went to 16-game seasons and now it's criminal to expect any NFL player to play as much as they ask them to now with a 17-game schedule and 18-week regular season, that's a 50% longer regular season schedule than the 12-game schedule, while the playoff period where a player has to stay in NFL-ready shape is also 50% longer than it used to be, so the entire season is 50% longer than it used to be. The only reason it is what it is, is because the Players Union is basically non-existent and always has been. NFL players are used and abused by the NFL Owners. Doesn't matter what they get paid.

I agree with your premise here and I think there is more to it.

Games are closer now than they have ever been, in modern NFL history. Usually no more than a one or two score difference.

Also, it's an offense driven league now, to say the least. Teams can score from the 20 yard line in seconds now, not minutes.

So when exactly can QBs, or any players, take their foot off the gas?

Plus, like you said, 17 games.

Plus the Thursday Night "games."

And, of course, the speed of the game/players in general has increased.

Everyone is turning a blind eye of course, because, you know, "are you not entertained" and all that. But the game seems kind of teetering on the edge of being unethical to me. Like if there was a sport where two men beat each other to death and the last one standing wins. Oh wait, we already have that one too.

"Thoughts and prayers," I guess... :rolleyes:

[WVRed]

What's Mason Rudolph doing these days? Can't be any worse than Trubisky getting booed off the field.

Bailey Zappe to Hunter Henry looks like Brady to Gronk.

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[RedTeamGo!]

Trubisky has made so much money being horrible at his job lmao

[Sea Ray]

Somehow or another you just know the Steelers will manage to pull this game out of their ...

[SteelSD]

Trubisky has made so much money being horrible at his job lmao

The guy is truly awful. Deep in Patriots territory, the idiot slides short of the sticks even though he had the first down had he just taken one more step.

[Sea Ray]

Teams go through peaks and valleys in an 18 week NFL season but at this point the Steelers are about the worst team in the league (along with Carolina). The Patriots were not good tonight. For the last 2 and a half qtrs all the Patriots did was pound the rock and punt

[Kingspoint]

The guy is truly awful. Deep in Patriots territory, the idiot slides short of the sticks even though he had the first down had he just taken one more step.

Can't keep collecting those backup QB paychecks if he risks getting hurt.

[WVRed]

Teams go through peaks and valleys in an 18 week NFL season but at this point the Steelers are about the worst team in the league (along with Carolina). The Patriots were not good tonight. For the last 2 and a half qtrs all the Patriots did was pound the rock and puntAs long as they keep finishing 9-8 or 8-9 and keep picking middle of the draft and never getting better...

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[Sea Ray]

To be fair, last night was an example of them getting screwed on a call. I rarely if ever see refs screw up an offsides/illegal movement call but I don’t see that their center did anything wrong. The players didn’t seem to think so either. The NE guy who jumped wasn’t pointing at the center. He looked guilty and ashamed that he screwed up


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[KoryMac5]

Might be the end of the Tomlin era in Pitts...

[Bob Sheed]

Teams go through peaks and valleys in an 18 week NFL season but at this point the Steelers are about the worst team in the league (along with Carolina). The Patriots were not good tonight. For the last 2 and a half qtrs all the Patriots did was pound the rock and punt

Patriots QB clearly injured his throwing hand right before halftime.

[WVRed]

Might be the end of the Tomlin era in Pitts...It would take multiple losing seasons for that to happen.

Pittsburgh is the antithesis of the Bengals. They've had more historical success but both are known for having ownership that is loyal to a fault. Three coaches in how many years? The Bengals aren't that far behind but with a lot less success.

I know Steeler fans who want Tomlin gone but honestly it's not going to happen.

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[Sea Ray]

Patriots QB clearly injured his throwing hand right before halftime.

He had a bloody elbow. Don't know about the hand

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It would take multiple losing seasons for that to happen.

Pittsburgh is the antithesis of the Bengals. They've had more historical success but both are known for having ownership that is loyal to a fault. Three coaches in how many years? The Bengals aren't that far behind but with a lot less success.

I know Steeler fans who want Tomlin gone but honestly it's not going to happen.

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I don't think it should happen. It's amazing that Tomlin has his team over .500

[RiverfrontRed]

I know Steeler fans who want Tomlin gone but honestly it's not going to happen.


I'm starting to know very few who don't.

[dubc47834]

Seriously. Who didn't see this coming when they went to the 17-game schedule. No NFL player is physically capable of surviving this number of plays for this long of a stretch into a year. When you look at the QB position, it was inevitable that teams would need 2 to 3 Quarterbacks, all of capable abilities, to survive a season.

Teams have to stop letting Starting Quarterbacks play unnecessary snaps, and that's at least 25% of the snaps that they play all season. This old school thinking that the QB should play every snap of a game, even in a blowout, is assinine. That's fine when it was a 12-game season and there were 4 playoff teams in each league...a college schedule, but that ended when they went to 16-game seasons and now it's criminal to expect any NFL player to play as much as they ask them to now with a 17-game schedule and 18-week regular season, that's a 50% longer regular season schedule than the 12-game schedule, while the playoff period where a player has to stay in NFL-ready shape is also 50% longer than it used to be, so the entire season is 50% longer than it used to be. The only reason it is what it is, is because the Players Union is basically non-existent and always has been. NFL players are used and abused by the NFL Owners. Doesn't matter what they get paid.

While I agree the NFL season is brutal, I disagree that it's because they are playing for this long of a stretch into the season. The 16 game season was instituted in 1978, they have played this far into the season ever since. So you can't blame season length on that as we're only in week 14. And most of these guys don't even play in the preseason any more. QB's are the most protected class of NFL players, more so than kickers it feels like.

[dubc47834]

Might be the end of the Tomlin era in Pitts...

Would be the dumbest thing the Steelers have ever done, and the smarted thing another team would do after highering Tomlin.

[bucksfan2]

I don't think it should happen. It's amazing that Tomlin has his team over .500

While what I think Tomlin has done is impressive, can it also be a knock on him?

Put it this way, the Steelers haven't really been Super Bowl contenders since Big Ben in his prime. They have been good, solid clubs, but not the top tier you think could go on a run. The thing about going .500 in the NFL, is you have to have a pretty good roster in order to do so.

Its kinda like, is Tomlin overachieving? Underachieving? or achieving?

[SteelSD]

While what I think Tomlin has done is impressive, can it also be a knock on him?

Put it this way, the Steelers haven't really been Super Bowl contenders since Big Ben in his prime. They have been good, solid clubs, but not the top tier you think could go on a run. The thing about going .500 in the NFL, is you have to have a pretty good roster in order to do so.

Its kinda like, is Tomlin overachieving? Underachieving? or achieving?

Tomlin's best quality is he's like the family member who can, in a pinch, turn a box of noodles, a hunk of cheese from the back of the fridge, leftover suspicious milk, and a lone can of tuna into something passing as edible. The problem is that it's still only just tuna mac, and there's a good chance you'll be sick after eating it.

[goreds2]

Might be the end of the Tomlin era in Pitts...

How many times has that been said to the three coaches in 55 years?

[WVRed]

Tomlin's best quality is he's like the family member who can, in a pinch, turn a box of noodles, a hunk of cheese from the back of the fridge, leftover suspicious milk, and a lone can of tuna into something passing as edible. The problem is that it's still only just tuna mac, and there's a good chance you'll be sick after eating it.Sounds like my father in law.

Tomlin will be the Steelers coach as long as he wants to be unless the Rooney's sell the team. Obviously that's not happening anytime soon.

So therefore given where the Bengals and Ravens are long term the Steelers are doomed to football purgatory. Finishing 9-8 or 8-9 with a mid round draft pick every year.

The Steelers post Ben is where the Steelers were when Bradshaw retired. Eerily similar.

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[KoryMac5]

I get it the Rooneys are similar to Mike Brown in that they value stability above all else.

However eventually even happy marriages come to an end...there is only so many times you can leave the seat up. Even Marvin who was Bengals HC for 16 years had a shelf life...Tomlin who has hit year 16 with the Steelers has an expiration date too.

[WVRed]

I get it the Rooneys are similar to Mike Brown in that they value stability above all else.

However eventually even happy marriages come to an end...there is only so many times you can leave the seat up. Even Marvin who was Bengals HC for 16 years had a shelf life...Tomlin who has hit year 16 with the Steelers has an expiration date too.The difference was ticket sales. I could be wrong but the Steelers aren't suffering in that regard.

Once Mike Brown got hit in the pocketbook by fans that ended the Marvin Lewis era. The Meltdown at Paul Brown and other postseason losses didn't help either.

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[RiverfrontRed]

At this point, I hope to see Mason again. Trubisky strikes me as (probably) a good practice player who folds under the lights.

[goreds2]

I wore my Ugly Steelers Christmas sweater to a luncheon today. A person was going to sit by me but decided not to since I had that sweater on. All in good fun. Everyone got a good laugh out of it.

[Assembly Hall]

Go Colts!

[goreds2]

With loss, Steelers go from 6th seed to 11th seed.

Colts looked very good.

[Assembly Hall]

With loss, Steelers go from 6th seed to 11th seed.

Colts looked very good.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mike-tomlin-acknowledges-that-steelers-are-a-fundamentally-poor-football-group-after-third-straight-defeat/

[Kingspoint]

Next week should be a knockout game for the loser of it. Bengals probably won't get in at 10-7, while the Steelers definitely won't get in at 9-8.

[goreds2]

We are visiting in Lexington, KY. I knew their kids would probably have the living room TV watching cartoons (no problem).

I brought my own portable tv using a portable over the air antenna to watch this game.

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[WVRed]

Saw an idea that honestly doesn't sound too bad if you are a Steelers fan:

Bring in Eric Bienemy in the off-season as OC (assuming Tomlin isn't traded). Ron Rivera is going to be fired in DC which means Bienemy would be available.

Then trade for Justin Fields. I could see Fields as a QB that Bienemy would get the most out of.

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[goreds2]

Step daughter got me these pajama pants for Christmas.

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[SteelSD]

Saw an idea that honestly doesn't sound too bad if you are a Steelers fan:

Bring in Eric Bienemy in the off-season as OC (assuming Tomlin isn't traded). Ron Rivera is going to be fired in DC which means Bienemy would be available.

Then trade for Justin Fields. I could see Fields as a QB that Bienemy would get the most out of.

Bienemy might work. But if he becomes available, he might be looking for a head coaching job instead.

As for Fields...first, we've already experienced Kordell Stewart. I hate Fields' throws just as much. When he's not taking off from the pocket early, the majority of his highlight reel is filled with receivers making tremendous catches on 50/50 balls. Second, while his escapability is tantilizing given the poor state of the offensive line, I'd prefer that Pittsburgh put nearly every draft resource into fixing said O-line rather than trying to work around the issue by trading for a guy who leads with his legs. Lastly, Fields has only one more season on his rookie contract. His fifth year extension, if exercised, is probably going to be upwards of 20 to 25 million. As of today, that's just way too much potential future cap space to commit to a guy who's still struggling to complete 60% of his passes.

[Revering4Blue]

Bienemy might work. But if he becomes available, he might be looking for a head coaching job instead.

As for Fields...first, we've already experienced Kordell Stewart. I hate Fields' throws just as much. When he's not taking off from the pocket early, the majority of his highlight reel is filled with receivers making tremendous catches on 50/50 balls. Second, while his escapability is tantilizing given the poor state of the offensive line, I'd prefer that Pittsburgh put nearly every draft resource into fixing said O-line rather than trying to work around the issue by trading for a guy who leads with his legs. Lastly, Fields has only one more season on his rookie contract. His fifth year extension, if exercised, is probably going to be upwards of 20 to 25 million. As of today, that's just way too much potential future cap space to commit to a guy who's still struggling to complete 60% of his passes.

While I agree with your general points here, Kordell Stewart DID lead the team to the AFC championship twice - one, a spygate game - during a period of NFL history with no RPOs and Zone Reads. He’d likely be a star today.

Having said that, I don’t understand the Kenny Pickett hate by some, with the Bubby Brister comparisons, frankly, with all due respect, lame. IMHO, that’s his floor. Pickett’s ceiling: What the Steelers thought they were getting from the late David Woodley. If Pickett can approximate the production from THE DOLPHINS VERSION of Woodley, the Steelers have done well.

In short, let’s see what Pickett can do with a REAL OC, Bienemy or otherwise.


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[WVRed]

Bienemy might work. But if he becomes available, he might be looking for a head coaching job instead.

As for Fields...first, we've already experienced Kordell Stewart. I hate Fields' throws just as much. When he's not taking off from the pocket early, the majority of his highlight reel is filled with receivers making tremendous catches on 50/50 balls. Second, while his escapability is tantilizing given the poor state of the offensive line, I'd prefer that Pittsburgh put nearly every draft resource into fixing said O-line rather than trying to work around the issue by trading for a guy who leads with his legs. Lastly, Fields has only one more season on his rookie contract. His fifth year extension, if exercised, is probably going to be upwards of 20 to 25 million. As of today, that's just way too much potential future cap space to commit to a guy who's still struggling to complete 60% of his passes.I think Fields would only work if Bienemy was coaching him. It's a major risk but one that could have a high payoff.

If Tomlin were traded (don't see that happening) Bienemy could be a possibility as the head coach too.

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[WVRed]

While I agree with your general points here, Kordell Stewart DID lead the team to the AFC championship twice - one, a spygate game - during a period of NFL history with no RPOs and Zone Reads. He’d likely be a star today.

Having said that, I don’t understand the Kenny Pickett hate by some, with the Bubby Brister comparisons, frankly, with all due respect, lame. IMHO, that’s his floor. Pickett’s ceiling: What the Steelers thought they were getting from the late David Woodley. If Pickett can approximate the production from THE DOLPHINS VERSION of Woodley, the Steelers have done well.

In short, let’s see what Pickett can do with a REAL OC, Bienemy or otherwise.


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think an accurate comparison for Pickett is Chad Pennington.

Both were the only QBs taken in the first round of their draft class and were in a weak QB class. What's ironic is Brady was in the same class as Pennington and Brock Purdy was in the same class as Pickett (Not comparing Purdy to Brady by any means but it is similar)


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[Revering4Blue]

I think an accurate comparison for Pickett is Chad Pennington.

Both were the only QBs taken in the first round of their draft class and were in a weak QB class. What's ironic is Brady was in the same class as Pennington and Brock Purdy was in the same class as Pickett (Not comparing Purdy to Brady by any means but it is similar)


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That’s definitely a fair comparison. And the 2002 version of Pennington may well be enough to get the Steelers where they want to go given their defense.

I simply was utilizing Woodley within the confines of a comparison of former Steelers QBs - production wise, not necessarily playing styles, though it’s not out of the question for Pickett to prove as mobile as Woodley if given the freedom, especially when it comes to throwing on the run. While Woodley largely stunk it up as a Steeler, he was a damn good QB as a Dolphin.


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[SteelSD]

While I agree with your general points here, Kordell Stewart DID lead the team to the AFC championship twice - one, a spygate game - during a period of NFL history with no RPOs and Zone Reads. He’d likely be a star today.

Having said that, I don’t understand the Kenny Pickett hate by some, with the Bubby Brister comparisons, frankly, with all due respect, lame. IMHO, that’s his floor. Pickett’s ceiling: What the Steelers thought they were getting from the late David Woodley. If Pickett can approximate the production from THE DOLPHINS VERSION of Woodley, the Steelers have done well.

In short, let’s see what Pickett can do with a REAL OC, Bienemy or otherwise.

I have a hard time questioning your memory, Rev. It's like an elephant's. That being said, I think we have different recollections regarding the quality of Stewart's play. What I remember is Stewart more accompanying the defense to those AFC championships (especially 2001) than leading them there. He was basically entrusted to not screw things up, but he did. Twice. I honestly believe that had Stewart accepted a primary WR role, while acting as a gadget guy (ala Antwaan Randle El) or played in the wildcat (today), he would have been a lot more useful.

I completely agree on Pickett. Right now, the Steelers have enough needs that they need to stay the course and evaluate what they have while he's cheap. Hire a creative OC. Build the O-line. Find some non-fill-in talent at ILB and the non-Joey Porter Jr. CB slots.

[Revering4Blue]

I have a hard time questioning your memory, Rev. It's like an elephant's. That being said, I think we have different recollections regarding the quality of Stewart's play. What I remember is Stewart more accompanying the defense to those AFC championships (especially 2001) than leading them there. He was basically entrusted to not screw things up, but he did. Twice. I honestly believe that had Stewart accepted a primary WR role, while acting as a gadget guy (ala Antwaan Randle El) or played in the wildcat (today), he would have been a lot more useful.

I completely agree on Pickett. Right now, the Steelers have enough needs that they need to stay the course and evaluate what they have while he's cheap. Hire a creative OC. Build the O-line. Find some non-fill-in talent at ILB and the non-Joey Porter Jr. CB slots.

Antwaan Randle El is another one who, IMO, would have been playing QB In today’s NFL. In fact, Mike Holmgren was quoted as saying he thought highly of him as an NFL QB prospect pre 2002 draft. He was a dynamic QB in college and not just with his feet.

As for Stewart, I view him in much higher regard than the following post-Bradshaw/pre-Big Ben Steelers QBs. In reverse chronological order:

Tommy Maddux - Several Steelers fans at the time - not here - viewed him as the then-long term answer. They were as wrong as the many Redzoners who chose to die on the ‘Jose Peraza will figure it out’ hill.

Neal O’Donnell - With all due respect, I don’t understand the large faction of Steelers nation who continue to criticize Kordell, yet continue to give NO’D a free pass for wetting the bed on the largest stage. Talk about entrusting someone not to screw up, but he did big time.

To wit: They lost the ‘94 AFC championship at home to arguably the worst Super Bowl representatives of all time - the ‘94 Chargers and were within a dropped Quinten Coryatt interception of missing the ‘96 Super Bowl altogether. Now, if the argument is that neither Kordell nor NO’D were anything to write home about, I will buy it but still don’t understand giving NO’D a free pass.

Cliff Stoubt - Granted the ‘83 Steelers were devoid of WRs with Stallworth sidelined for much of the regular season and Jim Smith - who would have undoubtedly helped immensely- jumping to the USFL to play as Cliff Stoubt’s teammate in Birmingham, but Stoubt basically sucked as a Steeler. While that season amounted to arguably the best coaching job of Chuck Noll’s career, I still question why he didn’t turn to Mark Malone late in that season when the team was struggling.

Having said all of that, I still agree with you that turning to Justin Fields at this point isn’t likely to move the needle. Then again, nearly 40 years later - as alluded to - I am still wondering why David Woodley didn’t work out as a Steeler and why they failed to trade up into the late first round in ‘83 to land Marino, so what do I know?


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[Revering4Blue]

Btw, the hot rumor is Antwaan Randle El leaving his position with the Lions to become the next Steelers OC.

If he’s eventually hired for the position because it is assumed he is the best one for the job, that’s one thing. But this sort of seems like an emotional hire if it comes to fruition.


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[SteelSD]

Antwaan Randle El is another one who, IMO, would have been playing QB In today’s NFL. In fact, Mike Holmgren was quoted as saying he thought highly of him as an NFL QB prospect pre 2002 draft. He was a dynamic QB in college and not just with his feet.

As for Stewart, I view him in much higher regard than the following post-Bradshaw/pre-Big Ben Steelers QBs. In reverse chronological order:

Tommy Maddux - Several Steelers fans at the time - not here - viewed him as the then-long term answer. They were as wrong as the many Redzoners who chose to die on the ‘Jose Peraza will figure it out’ hill.

Neal O’Donnell - With all due respect, I don’t understand the large faction of Steelers nation who continue to criticize Kordell, yet continue to give NO’D a free pass for wetting the bed on the largest stage. Talk about entrusting someone not to screw up, but he did big time.

To wit: They lost the ‘94 AFC championship at home to arguably the worst Super Bowl representatives of all time - the ‘94 Chargers and were within a dropped Quinten Coryatt interception of missing the ‘96 Super Bowl altogether. Now, if the argument is that neither Kordell nor NO’D were anything to write home about, I will buy it but still don’t understand giving NO’D a free pass.

Cliff Stoubt - Granted the ‘83 Steelers were devoid of WRs with Stallworth sidelined for much of the regular season and Jim Smith - who would have undoubtedly helped immensely- jumping to NFL, but Stoubt basically sucked as a Steeler. While that season amounted to arguably the best coaching job of Chuck Noll’s career, I still question why he didn’t turn to Mark Malone late in that season when the team was struggling.

Having said all of that, I still agree with you that turning to Justin Fields at this point isn’t likely to move the needle. Then again, nearly 40 years later - as alluded to - I am still wondering why David Woodley didn’t work out as a Steeler and why they failed to trade up into the late first round in ‘83 to land Marino, so what do I know?

Rev, if you've met Steelers fans who haven't yet burned their O'Donnell jerseys after that Super Bowl, tell them to seek professional help. Right or wrong, some of the moderate shine he had wore off him after that 1994 AFC championship loss to San Diego, and keeping him around became completely untenable after that 1995 Super Bowl. No Steelers fan I know will ever forgive him, much less hold him in high regard. Maddox was mediocre enough as a late-career stopgap, and showed some promise as a gunslinger, but his inconsistent, high-risk play was the reason the Steelers selected Roethlisberger. Stoudt was just awful, Mark Malone's best quality was his mustache, and please don't remind me of Marino in '83. It still hurts that Pittsburgh couldn't find a way to snag him.

Woodley never really disappointed me as I didn't really expect him to work out; sort of a flier on a guy who once showed promise, but not a lot more than that.

[Assembly Hall]

When I think back to David Woodley two things stand out to me. "WoodStrock" and Dan Marino.

[Revering4Blue]

Rev, if you've met Steelers fans who haven't yet burned their O'Donnell jerseys after that Super Bowl, tell them to seek professional help. Right or wrong, some of the moderate shine he had wore off him after that 1994 AFC championship loss to San Diego, and keeping him around became completely untenable after that 1995 Super Bowl. No Steelers fan I know will ever forgive him, much less hold him in high regard. Maddox was mediocre enough as a late-career stopgap, and showed some promise as a gunslinger, but his inconsistent, high-risk play was the reason the Steelers selected Roethlisberger. Stoudt was just awful, Mark Malone's best quality was his mustache, and please don't remind me of Marino in '83. It still hurts that Pittsburgh couldn't find a way to snag him.

Woodley never really disappointed me as I didn't really expect him to work out; sort of a flier on a guy who once showed promise, but not a lot more than that.

O’Donnell played so poorly in his one Super Bowl appearance that one has to wonder if he had been on the take. I am only half joking.

While I totally understood going with Maddox in ‘02, I still question benching Kordell altogether without even some sort slash package. Then again, come playoff time, it may not have mattered. The defense made Kelly Holcomb (sp?) look like Dan Fouts and the Steelers were damn lucky to win that playoff game against the Browns. Maddox cratering in ‘03 was a huge break. If he hadn’t, they would’ve had no chance to draft Big Ben.

Actually, before he suffered a knee injury, Mark Malone’s best quality was his 4.4 40 time. In fact - and I bet you, goreds2 and others remember this: For years, he held the Steelers record for longest TD Reception after lining up as a WR against the Seahawks in 1981. That was his only career reception.

But that 1984 team will always hold a special place in my heart, but I attribute most of that success to supplementing the offense via the ‘84 draft, when the defense was already stout. Louis Lipps was a godsend and Rich Erenberg and Weegie Thompson were solid role players before their respective careers ended prematurely due to injuries.

Yeah, the ‘83 draft is a sore spot for both Steelers and Colts fans - both teams have been 1 and 1 A since I first began to follow football during my Elementary school years - but I will share some tidbits of info from credible sources - I used to converse with such sources when I spent about 17 years working in the hotel industry in NC:

Johnny Unitas urged the Colts brass to forget about the Elway headache and draft Marino instead. They obviously didn’t listen.

The Steelers unsuccessfully tried to trade up into the late 1st to also land Marino but were unsuccessful. I was told the presented package wouldn’t have involved the ‘84 #1, but would have involved dealing Malone for an additional ‘83 2nd rounder as ammo. I was also informed Ken O’Brien would have been selected had Marino been off the board by then. That may not sound like much, but O’Brien would have been head and shoulders better than what the Steelers lined up at QB from ‘83-‘92 or so.

As for Woodley, I just took the time to review his stats and ewww, he performed worse statistically even as a Dolphin than I remembered. For the record, I was in attendance that 1984 afternoon in Indy when Woodley was sidelined and Malone assumed control for the remainder of the season. On a related note, the Steelers brass’ first choice - this, again, according to credible sources - before trading for Woodley was dealing for then-Jet QB Richard Todd. But the Jets, unlike Miami, balked at trading a starting caliber QB within the conference.

Anyway, the moral of this story is to develop and execute a QB contingency plan when your HOF caliber QB is in his twilight years. The Steelers brass underestimated the number of seasons Bradshaw had left and paid dearly for it.


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[WVRed]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the rumors of drug use by Marino why they passed on him?

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[Revering4Blue]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the rumors of drug use by Marino why they passed on him?

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That definitely played a factor as to why he fell as far as he did. Plus, there was concern, not so much from the Steelers, he’d pull a Jim Kelly and choose the USFL instead once he fell so far.

Chuck Noll a)was fixated on replacing Mean Joe Greene and anchoring the DL and loved Señor Sack. And we will never know how good he would have been had he not become paralyzed in a car accident. But I remember Rivera drawing double teams from opposing OLs.

b)Assumed Bradshaw had several years left and wanted to avoid another Joe Gilliam situation with Bradshaw. I.E another QB controversy involving a QB with perceived ‘questionable’ character.

In short, you are correct.


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[goreds2]

Steelers 4pm game today is on Fox28 Columbus.

[goreds2]

20737

[SteelSD]

20737

fify...

20738

[WVRed]

Seen Russell Wilson linked to Pittsburgh next season. Thoughts?

Also saw LJarius Sneed from KC as well. That would be entertaining seeing him and Chase go at it twice a year.

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[SteelSD]

Seen Russell Wilson linked to Pittsburgh next season. Thoughts?

Also saw LJarius Sneed from KC as well. That would be entertaining seeing him and Chase go at it twice a year.

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Both are cost prohibitive. I can see Sneed looking for 25m per season this off-season with a ton of it guaranteed. Would love to see him opposite Joey Porter Jr., but can't see it happening.

If Pittsburgh spends real money this off-season it probably needs to be on an established center and/or right tackle.

[goreds2]

Pittsburgh Steelers with this win:

They will be the No. 6 seed with this win, Jaguars loss, and Bills loss.

The Steelers will be the No. 7 seed with this win, Bills win, and Jaguars loss

or this win, Jaguars win, and Bills loss.

So this Colts / Texas game coming up means nothing to the Steelers.

[Assembly Hall]

Pittsburgh Steelers with this win:

They will be the No. 6 seed with this win, Jaguars loss, and Bills loss.

The Steelers will be the No. 7 seed with this win, Bills win, and Jaguars loss

or this win, Jaguars win, and Bills loss.

So this Colts / Texas game coming up means nothing to the Steelers.

I am all for the Jags lose, Colts win scenario...

[SteelSD]

Pittsburgh Steelers with this win:

They will be the No. 6 seed with this win, Jaguars loss, and Bills loss.

The Steelers will be the No. 7 seed with this win, Bills win, and Jaguars loss

or this win, Jaguars win, and Bills loss.

So this Colts / Texas game coming up means nothing to the Steelers.

Actually, we'd like the Colts and Texans to tie.

[Tony Cloninger]

fify...

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Play the Bengals 2x without a healthy Joe Burrow and 1x without Chase.

Play the Ravens when they are sitting pretty much all their key starters.

[SteelSD]

Play the Bengals 2x without a healthy Joe Burrow and 1x without Chase.

Play the Ravens when they are sitting pretty much all their key starters.

Yes, yes, Pittsburgh definitely didn't win any of those games with Kenny Pickett (who I hear stinks) or it's 3rd string QB and a linebacker corps and a defensive backfield littered with guys off the practice squad or signed off the street. The Steelers clearly had every advantage during those games- health, talent, everything. They had it all. Very unfair.

[Tony Cloninger]

Yes, yes, Pittsburgh definitely didn't win any of those games with Kenny Pickett (who I hear stinks) or it's 3rd string QB and a linebacker corps and a defensive backfield littered with guys off the practice squad or signed off the street. The Steelers clearly had every advantage during those games- health, talent, everything. They had it all. Very unfair.

They beat the Bengals 16-10 in the first game. They don’t hold them to 10 if Burrow is in and playing as well and healthy as he had been. The second one was a blowout so fine you can say Burrow would not make a difference. My point was not overlooking that the Steelers had their own injuries. They were still lucky enough to get the Bengals without Burrow and a Ravens team sitting all key starters.

[SteelSD]

They beat the Bengals 16-10 in the first game. They don’t hold them to 10 if Burrow is in and playing as well and healthy as he had been. The second one was a blowout so fine you can say Burrow would not make a difference. My point was not overlooking that the Steelers had their own injuries. They were still lucky enough to get the Bengals without Burrow and a Ravens team sitting all key starters.

Yeah, 16-10. That's close. Imagine if the Steelers rolled out Mason Rudolph, who now hold the Steelers record for single-game completion rate after yesterday's monsoon in Baltimore, for that game. That could have gotten seriously out of hand, eh? But yeah, Baltimore was sitting its starters, and the Steelers certainly couldn't beat them if they had Lamar Jackson starting. Well, except that they already did, while playing all but four of their games against teams currently at or above .500. And some of those teams (cough...Bengals) sit at or above .500 while winning some of their games with their own backups against teams also playing backups.

My point is:

Steelers Games where Mitch Trubisky played at least one half: 0 Wins/4 Losses
Steelers Games where Mitch Trubisky didn't play at least one half: 10 Wins/3 Losses

Steelers vs sub-.500 Teams (current) w/Mitch Trubisky: 2 games, 0 Wins/2 Losses
Steelers vs sub-.500 Teams (current) without/Mitch Trubisky: 2 Games, 2 Wins/0 Losses

"Luck" be damned. All teams run into it throughout the season, including the Bengals and Ravens. But a Mitch Trubisky hand grenade thrown into your team's huddle? That's a real killer, which sorta' (read: totally) trumps how "lucky" the Steelers got taking on Jake Browning with Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph.

[KoryMac5]

The Steelers have a really good defense and things happen when you have that front 4...and Minkah on the back end.

The issue to me is that they have a question mark at QB...

Do you stick with Rudolph who has been good at managing the offense or do you go back to Pickett who has not played.

They are on a treadmill of being just good enough to keep them outside of getting that long term solution at QB.

[SteelSD]

The Steelers have a really good defense and things happen when you have that front 4...and Minkah on the back end.

The issue to me is that they have a question mark at QB...

Do you stick with Rudolph who has been good at managing the offense or do you go back to Pickett who has not played.

They are on a treadmill of being just good enough to keep them outside of getting that long term solution at QB.

I don't know how they've been doing it defensively. The Steelers have been decimated at Safety and ILB. At Safety, Pittsuburgh hasn't had Minkah for three weeks now, Demontae Kazee is serving a suspension, and Keanu Neal was injured against Green Bay, and hasn't played since. The Steelers are playing right now with a rotation of Patrick Peterson, and brought in Eric Rowe and other practice squad guys alternating weekly as active/inactive there. At ILB, Elandon Roberts just came back from injury against Baltimore, Cole Holcomb has been out since early November, then Kwon Alexander since mid-November. To compensate, they lured Myles Jack out of retirement. Now Watt's down for however long should they make it to the playoffs. Everyone, say hello to Nick Herbig!

Other than waiting too long to fire Canada and keeping Trubisky on the rotation, I'm starting to think Omar Khan has some real skills.

If they make the playoffs, they have to stick with Rudolph. After that point, they need to make a decision, which will probably to be to go back to Pickett (especially given that Rudolph may not re-sign) to give him every chance to run an offense, sans Canada.

[WVRed]

Looking like the Steelers will be getting in. Titans are winning against Jacksonville.

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[SteelSD]

Looking like the Steelers will be getting in. Titans are winning against Jacksonville.

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Sigh. Your jinx attempt is working.

[SteelSD]

Sigh. Your jinx attempt is working.

Edit. Ok, you are forgiven, WV.

Thank you, Titans. I guess.

[goreds2]

Woot woot, we are in. If Buffalo loses tonight, Steelers get the 6th seed.

[SteelSD]

Woot woot, we are in. If Buffalo loses tonight, Steelers get the 6th seed.

Ick. Miami or KC. I dunno, as dumb as this might sound, I may actually want to play KC, so I guess "Go Fins!"?

[WVRed]

Ick. Miami or KC. I dunno, as dumb as this might sound, I may actually want to play KC, so I guess "Go Fins!"?Miami is an upset waiting to happen. They are the Ohio State of the NFL. Beat up on the Broncos of the world but look pedestrian or worse against winning teams.

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[SteelSD]

Miami is an upset waiting to happen. They are the Ohio State of the NFL. Beat up on the Broncos of the world but look pedestrian or worse against winning teams.

Yeah, but with Pittsburgh's current issues at LB and Safety, my concern is that Miami has the kind of speed to just be a simply awful matchup. Not that watching Kelce exploit the middle of the field is much more of a treat, of course.

[WVRed]

They just haven't played that smash mouth blue collar take your lunchpail to work Yinzer football yet. [emoji6]

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[SteelSD]

They just haven't played that smash mouth blue collar take your lunchpail to work Yinzer football yet. [emoji6]

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LOL. And it looks like a Buffalo win would send the Steelers to play the Bills, with Miami victory resulting in a Steelers/KC matchup. Only a MIA/BUF tie would result in going against the 'Fins.

Now I don't know who to root for, dammnit.

[goreds2]

No. 7 Steelers at No. 2 Bills
Sunday 1 p.m.
CBS

[KoryMac5]

JJ said it was a grade 2 strain for TJ...I would think he tries to give it a go...

Key for Pitts is staying in there rushing lanes and forcing Allen into making bad decisions.

Forecast could cause issues as well...snow and 23 degrees which may slow Buffalo's skill players.

[WVRed]

JJ said it was a grade 2 strain for TJ...I would think he tries to give it a go...

Key for Pitts is staying in there rushing lanes and forcing Allen into making bad decisions.

Forecast could cause issues as well...snow and 23 degrees which may slow Buffalo's skill players.Helped the Bengals last year.

Snow would probably not have an effect on Pittsburgh compared to say, Miami.

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[Sea Ray]

JJ said it was a grade 2 strain for TJ...I would think he tries to give it a go...

Key for Pitts is staying in there rushing lanes and forcing Allen into making bad decisions.

Forecast could cause issues as well...snow and 23 degrees which may slow Buffalo's skill players.

JJ is giving the impression that he's out for Sunday. Said he needs a couple weeks

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/j-j-watt-t-j-watt-suffered-grade-2-mcl-sprain-best-case-scenario/

[RiverfrontRed]

I'm hoping for dry weather. If the Steelers have a chance to keep up on offense, Rudolph will need to hit deep 2-3 times to compliment a solid 1-2 punch in the ground game. I'm not expecting a victory, but who knows?

[Sea Ray]

I'm hoping for dry weather. If the Steelers have a chance to keep up on offense, Rudolph will need to hit deep 2-3 times to compliment a solid 1-2 punch in the ground game. I'm not expecting a victory, but who knows?

I think the key is forcing Allen to turn it over. Without Watt, that's now twice as tough

[RiverfrontRed]

I think the key is forcing Allen to turn it over. Without Watt, that's now twice as tough

Sometimes Allen doesn't need a lot of reason to turn it over. Let's hope he has one of those days!

[Chip R]

Sometimes Allen doesn't need a lot of reason to turn it over. Let's hope he has one of those days!

The thing with Allen is that he is one of those old fashioned gunslingers. Used to be guys would throw the ball all over the field and if they got picked off, so be it. But a lot of those guys racked up the TDs. Of course that may have been before zone defenses. Anyway, about Allen, just as a passer, he's like one of those young shortstops who make a lot of errors but they will also get to a lot more balls than someone who won't make a lot of errors. In time those errors usually go down but they will still make the outstanding plays. Most players in about every sport are more risk-averse than they used to be. Perhaps because of the social and regular media presence. A QB throws a pick and he's the worst QB ever. The scads of analysts are looking for topics for their shows or pods and they will run with their mistakes. Allen will throw picks and some will be dumb like the one Apple picked off last night but more often than not he's trying to make plays. And you have to remember they were 17 seconds away from beating the Chiefs in KC a few years ago in the playoffs. Allen's going to win you a lot more games than he's going to lose.

[WVRed]

Sometimes Allen doesn't need a lot of reason to turn it over. Let's hope he has one of those days!Case in point first two drives last night in the end zone.

I think the Steelers win. The NFL will script it to where Mahomes doesn't have to go on the road til at least the AFC Championship. That leads to Steelers Ravens next round.

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[goreds2]

Primanti Bros. sending sandwiches to Titans for helping Steelers into playoffs


Primanti Brothers is thanking the Tennessee Titans for helping the Pittsburgh Steelers get into the NFL playoffs the best way it knows how.

On Sunday, the Pittsburgh-based restaurant chain said in a press release that it is shipping kits of its “almost famous” sandwiches to Nashville “to feed the Titans, especially head coach and former Steeler Mike Vrabel,” according to Pittsburgh TV outlets.

“Nothing says, ‘Thank you,’ like a great meal,” Adam Golomb, Primanti Brothers’ CEO, said in the press release, KDKA reported. “And there’s no better meal in Pittsburgh than Primanti Bros.”

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2024/01/primanti-bros-sending-sandwiches-to-titans-for-helping-steelers-into-playoffs.html

[Bob Sheed]

Somebody's gonna have to sign for the package besides Vrabel.

[Kingspoint]

Steelers earned everything they got this season. They had a heck of a run without a ton of assets to work with. One of the best seasons I've ever seen from them. Tomlin should be commended. Hope they win this weekend.

[Sea Ray]

It is amazing the Steelers made the playoffs but a lot of things fell right for them, such as catching the Ravens without a will to win in the last game


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[KoryMac5]

Case in point first two drives last night in the end zone.

I think the Steelers win. The NFL will script it to where Mahomes doesn't have to go on the road til at least the AFC Championship. That leads to Steelers Ravens next round.

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Without Watt...0 chance...but man that 10 pt spread is tempting.

[KoryMac5]

Checked local forecast 12 inches of snow expected to fall throughout the game...wind chill will be an issue. Setting up to be quite the event this weekend.

[SteelSD]

Checked local forecast 12 inches of snow expected to fall throughout the game...wind chill will be an issue. Setting up to be quite the event this weekend.

I've read that the emergency plan would be to play the game in Cleveland. Apparently, the Sttelers haven't been notified that's happening, but it's weather, so who knows?

[WVRed]

I've read that the emergency plan would be to play the game in Cleveland. Apparently, the Sttelers haven't been notified that's happening, but it's weather, so who knows?If Cincinnati can play in a snow storm last year, the Steelers can too.

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[SteelSD]

If Cincinnati can play in a snow storm last year, the Steelers can too.

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I'm not sure it has as much to do with playing the game as it might the particular of getting to the stadium and general safety concerns for everyone involved, including fans. Even conditions to broadcast could be impacted. A foot of snow and 65 MPH wind gusts simply aren't workable conditions for any event. Could change. I dunno. But the NY Governor has already declared a state of emergency for western NY. That system is no joke.

[goreds2]

Video: New York Gov. Kathy Hochul Trolls Steelers Fans over Weather for Bills Game


"One final bit of advice, and this one's for our friends who are thinking about traveling from Pittsburgh to watch the game," Hochul said. "We think it's just better if you stay home and tune in on television. It's going to be safer for all of us. It's going to be a rough game for you anyhow."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10104848-video-new-york-gov-kathy-hochul-trolls-steelers-fans-over-weather-for-bills-game

[goreds2]

[QUOTE] The Steelers Wild Card Round game against the Buffalo Bills has been moved to Monday, January 15 at 4:30 p.m. The game will air on CBS (KDKA locally in Pittsburgh).
The game will be played at Highmark Stadium in Buffalo.
The game was moved from its original date of Sunday, January 14 at 1 p.m. out of an abundance of caution because of the weather emergency in the Buffalo area.
In addition, the Steelers Road Warriors event that was scheduled for Saturday night at Buffalo RiverWorks has been cancelled.[QUOTE]

Steelers-Bills game moved to Monday

https://www.steelers.com/news/steelers-bills-game-moved-to-monday

[RiverfrontRed]

I'm not sure it has as much to do with playing the game as it might the particular of getting to the stadium and general safety concerns for everyone involved, including fans. Even conditions to broadcast could be impacted. A foot of snow and 65 MPH wind gusts simply aren't workable conditions for any event. Could change. I dunno. But the NY Governor has already declared a state of emergency for western NY. That system is no joke.

My problem is the governor had already brought the game itself into the conversation. She said there wasnt much need for the Steelers fans to show up anyway, implying that the outcome was obvious. Now she wants to act like it's totally about safety. Part of me knows that she's also trying to set the Bills up for a win. I really don't care about the weather. Let the better team that day win. I just don't like the double talk.

[KoryMac5]

18-24 inches of snow by 8am Monday morning...Buffalo is paying shovelers 20 per hr to clear the stadium by Monday. Governor made choice in conjunction with the league to call it and move to Monday. Orchard Park is notoriously congested game day for anyone who hasn't been there its basically a parking lot until you hit interstates. With the traffic converging from the surrounding areas it would have set up a nightmare scenario and put a ton of people at risk.

Last blizzard killed 47 people as many were trapped on the highways and froze.

I also think the winds 65 mph gusts tonight played a role as flights into Buffalo most likely will be cancelled.

[WVRed]

My problem is the governor had already brought the game itself into the conversation. She said there wasnt much need for the Steelers fans to show up anyway, implying that the outcome was obvious. Now she wants to act like it's totally about safety. Part of me knows that she's also trying to set the Bills up for a win. I really don't care about the weather. Let the better team that day win. I just don't like the double talk.I'm sure most Steeler fans would recognize smack talk when they see it but yeah it was probably unprofessional.

Just saw there is a possibility the game could be delayed again past Monday.

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[KoryMac5]

I'm sure most Steeler fans would recognize smack talk when they see it but yeah it was probably unprofessional.

Just saw there is a possibility the game could be delayed again past Monday.

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It’s pretty nasty there right now Erie county is closing the roads.

[goreds2]

Report: NFL Nearly Moved Steelers Game to Atlanta

(still scheduled for Monday 4:30pm in Buffalo)


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-nfl-nearly-moved-steelers-game-to-atlanta/ar-AA1mWOig

[KoryMac5]

Report: NFL Nearly Moved Steelers Game to Atlanta

(still scheduled for Monday 4:30pm in Buffalo)


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-nfl-nearly-moved-steelers-game-to-atlanta/ar-AA1mWOig

I could see that...they got a foot overnight and expect to get another 10-20 inches today. One of the meteorologists in our area about an hour away said lake effect snow remains one of the toughest weather events to forecast as the towns to the North of Orchard Park had minimal snow...yet they got pounded. The stadium might not be accessible until sometime tomorrow.