2023-24 Ohio State Men's Basketball

[goreds2]

9-2 Ohio State plays UCLA next.

12/16/2023 vs. UCLA Atlanta, Ga. 3:00 P.M. est. on CBS.

[RiverRat13]

The loss against Penn State was inexcusable.

[Assembly Hall]

The loss against Penn State was inexcusable.

And just when I was gonna have the Bucks as a sleeper FF team...

[BuckeyeRed27]

Good bounce back win!

[RedTeamGo!]

And just when I was gonna have the Bucks as a sleeper FF team...

Holtmann is not a good coach

[goreds2]

They have not won a road game since January of 2023.

[Assembly Hall]

This is a good Nebraska team.

[RedTeamGo!]

Holtmann is not a good coach

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This is a good Nebraska team.

OSU once again went up big early and then made zero adjustments and got blown out in the 2nd half.

It is almost as if it is a coaching issue.

[Assembly Hall]

What is Holtmann's buyout?

[BuckeyeRed27]

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OSU once again went up big early and then made zero adjustments and got blown out in the 2nd half.

It is almost as if it is a coaching issue.

Nebraska is a goofy team though. They made a like 7 really stupid three pointers. That said OSU was having success inside early, Nebraska made one adjustment and as far as I could tell OSU never adjusted to that and the offense looked terrible for 30 minutes.

[RedTeamGo!]

Nebraska is a goofy team though. They made a like 7 really stupid three pointers. That said OSU was having success inside early, Nebraska made one adjustment and as far as I could tell OSU never adjusted to that and the offense looked terrible for 30 minutes.

It's because Holtmann is an awful coach. He should have been fired after last season. Gene Smith has personally ruined this basketball program.

[Kilgore_Trout]

Holtmann is *the* worst in-game college basketball coach I've ever seen. I know there's been worse elsewhere--obviously--and maybe even a couple currently working in D1 right now. Hard to fathom, but I accept that being a strong possibility.

The first 5-10 minutes make it clear that they have a game plan, but it's rigid and often feels too scripted. He is bad at making adjustments. BAD. When the pressure is on, his teams struggle with inbounding and moving the ball down the court. Basic stuff.

I literally cannot remember a single time he's taken a timeout, drawn up a play, and it panning out. I'm not kidding. Like, I'm sure it's happened but I can't remember when it actually happened. And God help us if we're ever in a last shot scenario, because it's already over.

All of these things make him look clueless, even if he isn't. I remember a game against Minnesota last season where both coaches were mic'd up. During a huddle, Minnesota's coach was strategizing, drawing up plays and counter-plays, and his guys were engaged and clearly knew the expectations. When it turned to Holtmann, he was clapping and playing cheerleader to players who looked disconnected and confused. I remember the whiteboard he held being completely empty.

Buckeyes lost the game. One of two Big Ten wins for Minnesota.

Holtmann is not bad at developing players. A lot of them have gone onto the next level and played well enough. But he can't coach a cohesive team. Offenses are baffling, defenses are soft, and the overall vibe of the team is just boring. It's hard to watch. In fact, I've watched far less college basketball under his regime than I thought possible. It used to make me sad, but now I see the silver linings (more time for other things).

I hope Ohio State moves on. The sooner the better.

[RedTeamGo!]

Holtmann is *the* worst in-game college basketball coach I've ever seen. I know there's been worse elsewhere--obviously--and maybe even a couple currently working in D1 right now. Hard to fathom, but I accept that being a strong possibility.

The first 5-10 minutes make it clear that they have a game plan, but it's rigid and often feels too scripted. He is bad at making adjustments. BAD. When the pressure is on, his teams struggle with inbounding and moving the ball down the court. Basic stuff.

I literally cannot remember a single time he's taken a timeout, drawn up a play, and it panning out. I'm not kidding. Like, I'm sure it's happened but I can't remember when it actually happened. And God help us if we're ever in a last shot scenario, because it's already over.

All of these things make him look clueless, even if he isn't. I remember a game against Minnesota last season where both coaches were mic'd up. During a huddle, Minnesota's coach was strategizing, drawing up plays and counter-plays, and his guys were engaged and clearly knew the expectations. When it turned to Holtmann, he was clapping and playing cheerleader to players who looked disconnected and confused. I remember the whiteboard he held being completely empty.

Buckeyes lost the game. One of two Big Ten wins for Minnesota.

Holtmann is not bad at developing players. A lot of them have gone onto the next level and played well enough. But he can't coach a cohesive team. Offenses are baffling, defenses are soft, and the overall vibe of the team is just boring. It's hard to watch. In fact, I've watched far less college basketball under his regime than I thought possible. It used to make me sad, but now I see the silver linings (more time for other things).

I hope Ohio State moves on. The sooner the better.

A-freaking-men. I agree with everything you said here.

Let's put it this way. My son and I watch a lot of sports together. Last night Dayton and OSU were on at the same time. Didn't even consider putting the OSU game on. We watched the Dayton Flyers. I pray the incoming AD understands what is happening in Cbus.

[Assembly Hall]

I watched the entire game last night. A couple of things stood out to me. 1) Bonner and Middleton chucking up ill advised 3's. 2) tOSU's inability to stop Mast.

[RedTeamGo!]

I watched the entire game last night. A couple of things stood out to me. 1) Bonner and Middleton chucking up ill advised 3's. 2) tOSU's inability to stop Mast.

Are they ill-advised if the coach doesn’t advise the players to do anything?

[RedTeamGo!]

Watching OSU play against Northwestern is like watching Kansas play against Ball St or something. It’s not even a game. NORTHWESTERN.

[Kilgore_Trout]

Watching OSU play against Northwestern is like watching Kansas play against Ball St or something. It’s not even a game. NORTHWESTERN.

I have an Uber coupon and get 6% cash back on my credit card for ride shares. I’d be more than happy to cover Holtmann’s trip back to wherever the hell he came from.

[Redsfaithful]

I need a team to root for in college basketball or I just can't get into it so Holtmann is personally killing me. Really missing the early-mid Matta years, those were fun.

[GAC]

Is the reason why OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, are at the bottom of the B10 standings (basketball) because these programs simply prioritize their football program over basketball? Or just bad coaching/recruiting?

I don't follow college BB much any more. My golfing buddy is an addict, and says they need to fire Holtmann LOL

[WVRed]

Is the reason why OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, are at the bottom of the B10 standings (basketball) because these programs simply prioritize their football program over basketball? Or just bad coaching/recruiting?

I don't follow college BB much any more. My golfing buddy is an addict, and says they need to fire Holtmann LOLOhio State has the resources to essentially be the Florida Gators of the B1G to Indiana's Kentucky. They could get a good coach, problem is like everyone else getting adjusted to NIL.

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[Revering4Blue]

Ohio State has the resources to essentially be the Florida Gators of the B1G to Indiana's Kentucky. They could get a good coach, problem is like everyone else getting adjusted to NIL.

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This.

And it goes without saying IU and OSU are two of, if not the, biggest underachieving programs given their inherent resources and talent proximity.

Michigan could also be right there with the right coach - Beilein had them humming like Matta previously had Ohio State humming - who can re-establish the Detroit pipeline. They also lost a ton of talent from last season and haven’t replenished.

Penn State, even though they have a nice on-campus arena, is an entirely different story. They are treated similarly to most SEC schools from the standpoint of fandom. Just something to pass the time with until football season. It also doesn’t help that they lost an excellent coach to Notre Dame; one of their best teams in history was bushwhacked by the cancelled ‘20 NCAA Tournament and the State of Pennsylvania - with the exception of the basketball-crazed Philadelphia area - basically treats the sport of basketball as an afterthought. Football and Hockey are first priorities in most of the state.

That said, PSU is in their first season with new coach from VCU. They can turn it around.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Is the reason why OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, are at the bottom of the B10 standings (basketball) because these programs simply prioritize their football program over basketball? Or just bad coaching/recruiting?

I don't follow college BB much any more. My golfing buddy is an addict, and says they need to fire Holtmann LOL

With OSU and UM it’s 100% coaching right now. OSU has a ton of highly talented players.

[bucksfan2]

This.

And it goes without saying IU and OSU are two of, if not the, biggest underachieving programs given their inherent resources and talent proximity.

Michigan could also be right there with the right coach - Beilein had them humming like Matta previously had Ohio State humming - who can re-establish the Detroit pipeline. They also lost a ton of talent from last season and haven’t replenished.

Penn State, even though they have a nice on-campus arena, is an entirely different story. They are treated similarly to most SEC schools from the standpoint of fandom. Just something to pass the time with until football season. It also doesn’t help that they lost an excellent coach to Notre Dame; one of their best teams in history was bushwhacked by the cancelled ‘20 NCAA Tournament and the State of Pennsylvania - with the exception of the basketball-crazed Philadelphia area - basically treats the sport of basketball as an afterthought. Football and Hockey are first priorities in most of the state.

That said, PSU is in their first season with new coach from VCU. They can turn it around.


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There has always been a level of apathy with OSU basketball. In my four years at OSU I never went to one OSU basketball game. When I was there they ran the student tickets pretty poorly, didn't give them good seats, and it really showed. During the mid Matta years things were rocking. They also moved the students to better seats. There used to be a running joke when I was at OSU that they would have people reading a book at the OSU game. IMO the Schott is a perfect example of bigger is not better. Its just a stale environment. But the thing with OSU basketball is it doesn't start getting fan interest until football is over. That won't really change.

Something happened after the 20-21 season that Holtman has struggled to rebound from. Its odd because after that season they had two one and done guys who really came into their own as the season went along. And this year, the roster isn't terrible, I think Gayle Jr and Thorton are good college backcourt. Battle is the type of transfer who can really make an impact. In previous years they really missed on the transfers. I was in the pro-Holtman camp until the past few weeks. Its the same story year in year out with this team. They get off to good starts, have a lull in the middle of the season, and then slog through the end. Heck their in-game issues continue to persist. There tends to be a chunk of 10 minutes in every game where they just can't score. It happens each and every game, and pretty much buries them in a hole they struggle to dig out of.

Is PSU, IU football? I don't think they ever will have a program that is anymore than a 7-10 seed in the tournament.

[Revering4Blue]

There has always been a level of apathy with OSU basketball. In my four years at OSU I never went to one OSU basketball game. When I was there they ran the student tickets pretty poorly, didn't give them good seats, and it really showed. During the mid Matta years things were rocking. They also moved the students to better seats. There used to be a running joke when I was at OSU that they would have people reading a book at the OSU game. IMO the Schott is a perfect example of bigger is not better. Its just a stale environment. But the thing with OSU basketball is it doesn't start getting fan interest until football is over. That won't really change.

Something happened after the 20-21 season that Holtman has struggled to rebound from. Its odd because after that season they had two one and done guys who really came into their own as the season went along. And this year, the roster isn't terrible, I think Gayle Jr and Thorton are good college backcourt. Battle is the type of transfer who can really make an impact. In previous years they really missed on the transfers. I was in the pro-Holtman camp until the past few weeks. Its the same story year in year out with this team. They get off to good starts, have a lull in the middle of the season, and then slog through the end. Heck their in-game issues continue to persist. There tends to be a chunk of 10 minutes in every game where they just can't score. It happens each and every game, and pretty much buries them in a hole they struggle to dig out of.

Is PSU, IU football? I don't think they ever will have a program that is anymore than a 7-10 seed in the tournament.

Agree with the Schott and Holtmann takes. The further away from Matta roster-wise, the worse it has gotten.

PSU hoops to IU football is an interesting comp. I believe IU football receives better support. Still, the’20 PSU hoops team climbed as high as 9 in the rankings. It likely would have done some damage - Sweet 16 or better- had there been a tournament. But, yeah, they have largely flamed out early in NCAA play. Their biggest NCAA win in my lifetime occurred in their Atlantic 10 days: 1991 against UCLA in the first round in Syracuse.


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[Assembly Hall]

With OSU and UM it’s 100% coaching right now. OSU has a ton of highly talented players.

I wonder when the last time that tOSU, Michigan, and Indiana all finished below .500 in conference play the same year?

[RedTeamGo!]

I wonder when the last time that tOSU, Michigan, and Indiana all finished below .500 in conference play the same year?

It’s an excellent question. Maybe never?

[Kilgore_Trout]

Ohio State blows an 18 point second half lead… at home.

Almost impossible to do. Yet it was done.

Unbelievable.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ohio State blows an 18 point second half lead… at home.

Almost impossible to do. Yet it was done.

Unbelievable.

Twice. They have done it twice this year.

There is absolutely no reason Holtmann should still be employed by the university tomorrow. This is beyond absurd. OSU is the laughingstock of college basketball. Have been for 2 years.

[Assembly Hall]

Ohio State blows an 18 point second half lead… at home.

Almost impossible to do. Yet it was done.

Unbelievable.

I am honestly amazed.

[GAC]

Ohio State blows an 18 point second half lead… at home.

Almost impossible to do. Yet it was done.

Unbelievable.

But that is not the first tme they've done that this year is it?

[BuckeyeRed27]

It really is crazy how bad this team has played in the last 7-10 minute of some of these games. And what happened last night isn’t the same as the Wisconsin game or the Penn St game or the Michigan game. Just new and fun ways to give games away every time. Incredible.

[bucksfan2]

Every single game OSU has played once B1G play rolls around has a period of time where they can't score. Its nothing new, it just shows up from time to time at different points of the game.

On the winning 3, that is terrible defense by OSU. At that point, you have to be playing no threes defense. If someone throws a bad shot in to beat you, so be it. There was no reason Gayle should have been helping on the drive. Especially with Okpara in the paint. Even if the driver makes the basket, you know you are getting a possession, tied up, with the chance to win. But no, Gayle helps, dude nails a wide open 3, and then Battle dribbles the ball off his foot to end the game.

At this point, Holtman has got to go, this just can't continue.

[Redsfaithful]

The upside to all this, I would think, is that there can't be any doubt now that we'll be getting a new coach, and with a new AD in I think he'll want to put his stamp on something. Should mean a quality hire.

[SunDeck]

I need a team to root for in college basketball or I just can't get into it so Holtmann is personally killing me. Really missing the early-mid Matta years, those were fun. I miss him at XU...

[Playadlc]

I've always felt Indiana and OSU are the two best basketball jobs in the conference.

OSU will have a lot of good options when they move on from Holtmann. Which they have to do at this point. My fear is you all will beat us to Dusty May. Like you beat us to Matta because we hung on to Mike Davis for a couple years too long.

[Sea Ray]

I've always felt Indiana and OSU are the two best basketball jobs in the conference.

OSU will have a lot of good options when they move on from Holtmann. Which they have to do at this point. My fear is you all will beat us to Dusty May. Like you beat us to Matta because we hung on to Mike Davis for a couple years too long.

Mich St is a better job than OSU. Basketball is a distant second to football at OSU. Maybe third if you consider Spring football a sport...;)

OSU fans, any of these guys strike your fancy?

https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/5-coaching-candidates-ohio-state-buckeyes-replace-chris-holtmann-college-basketball/

[Assembly Hall]

Mich St is a better job than OSU.

Disagree.

[bucksfan2]

Mich St is a better job than OSU. Basketball is a distant second to football at OSU. Maybe third if you consider Spring football a sport...;)

OSU fans, any of these guys strike your fancy?

https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/5-coaching-candidates-ohio-state-buckeyes-replace-chris-holtmann-college-basketball/

IU is probably the best job in the B1G because its the only basketball first school. UCLA and Maryland may mix that up, but the rest of the conference is football first, and it really isn't close. Is MSU a program or a coach? I think with Izzo its a better job, but I don't know if its Izzo or the program as a whole.

As for your list of coaches, pretty blah all the way around. I am a fan of Kelsey, he may be a little too early in his rise. You should be able to do better than the coach at College of Charleston. Mack was an epic failure when he got a big boy job. Didn't Wade get LSU into all kids of trouble and underperform as it was? I thought Wes Miller was a great hire at UC, but he hasn't done much there. I don't even think they have made the tournament. As UC basketball is pretty much on the back burner unless you are a big time fan.

I would come out swinging, Nate Oats from Bama and Musselman from Arkansas would be my first two calls. I would look at Dusty May just to make IU fans mad. Would they look at Sean Miller? OSU has to see the complete apathy setting in with the program probably needs to make a splash hire.

[Revering4Blue]

Disagree.

So do I. Elite program doesn’t always equate Elite job. See: Gonzaga.

Michigan State is obviously the better program now, but it’s almost wholly a function of Izzo. It doesn’t have the resources of IU, Ohio State. Michigan or even Maryland.

Post Izzo, while they won’t become Georgetown post John Thompson, whomever replaces Izzo is basically going to be set up to fail. The program may well resemble the post ‘79 Heathcote years - A couple deep NCAA runs, but mostly ‘meh’.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Mich St is a better job than OSU. Basketball is a distant second to football at OSU. Maybe third if you consider Spring football a sport...;)

OSU fans, any of these guys strike your fancy?

https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/5-coaching-candidates-ohio-state-buckeyes-replace-chris-holtmann-college-basketball/

No, I want Parris

[RedTeamGo!]

So do I. Elite program doesn’t always equate to Elite job. See: Gonzaga.

Michigan State is obviously the better program now, but it’s almost wholly a function of Izzo. It doesn’t have the resources of IU, Ohio State. Michigan or even Maryland.

Post Izzo, while they won’t become Georgetown post John Thompson, whomever replaces Izzo is basically going to be set up to fail. The program may well resemble the post ‘79 Heathcote years - A couple deep NCAA runs, but mostly ‘meh’.


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I disagree with you and AH on this. Your reasoning is sound. However, the Schottenstein Center may be the worst basketball arena in the midwest. As a result it is difficult to build a fanbase and have loud crowds. Also, like SR said, basketball is a distant 2nd to football at OSU. MSU games have a great environment and they will continue to draw major players from the midwest. They have to nail the coaching hire after Izzo, but I do not think they are going to screw around and throw money at a quality coach.

[Revering4Blue]

IU is probably the best job in the B1G because its the only basketball first school. UCLA and Maryland may mix that up, but the rest of the conference is football first, and it really isn't close. Is MSU a program or a coach? I think with Izzo its a better job, but I don't know if its Izzo or the program as a whole.

As for your list of coaches, pretty blah all the way around. I am a fan of Kelsey, he may be a little too early in his rise. You should be able to do better than the coach at College of Charleston. Mack was an epic failure when he got a big boy job. Didn't Wade get LSU into all kids of trouble and underperform as it was? I thought Wes Miller was a great hire at UC, but he hasn't done much there. I don't even think they have made the tournament. As UC basketball is pretty much on the back burner unless you are a big time fan.

I would come out swinging, Nate Oats from Bama and Musselman from Arkansas would be my first two calls. I would look at Dusty May just to make IU fans mad. Would they look at Sean Miller? OSU has to see the complete apathy setting in with the program probably needs to make a splash hire.

Yeah. Not shooting the messenger, but that list is blah and doesn’t even contain Indiana States Josh Schertz or Iowa State’s coach - both, like Kelsey, have yet to engineer a deep NCAA run.

Oats, too, has never made it past the first weekend but Alabama doesn’t have the ceiling of IU, tOSU and Michigan in regard to hoops as a program. Musselman’s Arkansas team is experiencing a down year, but he’s been to two Elite 8s. He’s the only NBA to College head coach experiment that’s worked. Then again, he was an LSU assistant before heading to Nevada. Definitely worth a call.


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[Kilgore_Trout]

No, I want Parris

Paris is high up there for me. Maybe the top. It would also be awesome to see us pull an Anthony Grant, but Dayton just has a better program and a far more loyal / invested fanbase.

The only person that's more than a "meh" for me on Sea Ray's link is Pat Kelsey. But I think he's only a consideration if more desirable targets fall through. I'd have to think Kelsey would be 4th or 5th on the list (if he's on it at all).

This may not be popular, but I'm not above going the slimeball route. Sean Miller comes to mind. As does Chris Beard...

[RedTeamGo!]

Paris is high up there for me. Maybe the top. It would also be awesome to see us pull an Anthony Grant, but Dayton just has a better program and a far more loyal / invested fanbase.

The only person that's more than a "meh" for me on Sea Ray's link is Pat Kelsey. But I think he's only a consideration if more desirable targets fall through. I'd have to think Kelsey would be 4th or 5th on the list (if he's on it at all).

This may not be popular, but I'm not above going the slimeball route. Sean Miller comes to mind. As does Chris Beard...

As a UD fan first, I would be so upset if Grant leaves what he has going on at UD to go to OSU. Grant is also an alum of UD. I honestly do not think he is going anywhere.

[Revering4Blue]

I disagree with you and AH on this. Your reasoning is sound. However, the Schottenstein Center may be the worst basketball arena in the midwest. As a result it is difficult to build a fanbase and have loud crowds. Also, like SR said, basketball is a distant 2nd to football at OSU. MSU games have a great environment and they will continue to draw major players from the midwest. They have to nail the coaching hire after Izzo, but I do not think they are going to screw around and throw money at a quality coach.

Basketball is also second to football at Texas. But Texas, like tOSU, is still miles ahead of MSU in regard to three factors that truly count: Resources - especially with NIL - fanbase and proximity to talent.

Granted, both Izzo and Matta profited from IU and Michigan pre-Beilein being down, but Matta had the program to the point where OSU was the top elite Big Ten program. That could definitely happen again, especially if IU screws around and keeps Woodson for too long while programs like Louisville (Not a B1G school, but supports the point), tOSU and Michigan nail hires.

Agree about the Schott, though. St. John Arena was a tough place to play.


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[WVRed]

Paris is high up there for me. Maybe the top. It would also be awesome to see us pull an Anthony Grant, but Dayton just has a better program and a far more loyal / invested fanbase.

The only person that's more than a "meh" for me on Sea Ray's link is Pat Kelsey. But I think he's only a consideration if more desirable targets fall through. I'd have to think Kelsey would be 4th or 5th on the list (if he's on it at all).

This may not be popular, but I'm not above going the slimeball route. Sean Miller comes to mind. As does Chris Beard...You can have Calipari once he flames out in the first round again if you wanna go the slimeball route. [emoji846]

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[Assembly Hall]

I disagree with you and AH on this. Your reasoning is sound. However, the Schottenstein Center may be the worst basketball arena in the midwest. As a result it is difficult to build a fanbase and have loud crowds. Also, like SR said, basketball is a distant 2nd to football at OSU. MSU games have a great environment and they will continue to draw major players from the midwest. They have to nail the coaching hire after Izzo, but I do not think they are going to screw around and throw money at a quality coach.

You are putting Sparty above the Bucknuts because of an arena?

[WVRed]

You are putting Sparty above the Bucknuts because of an arena?I think if Ohio State really wanted to they could work out something with the city or Blue Jackets and make Nationwide Arena a permanent home.

I've made the comparison to Florida before in the SEC. Ohio State has the resources to put forth a quality basketball team and they have in the past. Yes football comes first but it's possible for both to be successful.

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[Assembly Hall]

I've made the comparison to Florida before in the SEC. Ohio State has the resources to put forth a quality basketball team and they have in the past. Yes football comes first but it's possible for both to be successful.

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Ummm. Ohio St. has historically been a good basketball program...Florida didn't make the NCAAT until the mid 80's.

[WVRed]

Ummm. Ohio St. has historically been a good basketball program...Florida didn't make the NCAAT until the mid 80's.But they are both football first schools in areas that should draw talent for basketball and could pay to get a good coach.

Florida had a lot of their success with Billy Donovan.

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[BuckeyeRed27]

I don’t think OSU basketball has a resource problem at the moment. They spend a lot of money on the program. Fans are certainly fair weather and the Schott does kinda suck, but it was also an absolutely rocking terrifying place to play when Matta had it going.

Holtmann seems like a nice guy, but something is clearly missing and they gotta start over.

[Revering4Blue]

Ummm. Ohio St. has historically been a good basketball program...Florida didn't make the NCAAT until the mid 80's.

And this helps reinforce the tOSU vs Sparty job debate. Just establishing the timeline for both schools pre Izzo, Ohio State comes out on top history-wise.


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[Revering4Blue]

But they are both football first schools in areas that should draw talent for basketball and could pay to get a good coach.

Florida had a lot of their success with Billy Donovan.

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Something mind-blowing by today’s standards - Lon Kruger left Florida for Illinois and Kruger had no ties to Illinois previously.

That’s a move that would not happen today. Donovan would likely have been hired elsewhere by then in today’s landscape.


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[Redsfaithful]

I think if Ohio State really wanted to they could work out something with the city or Blue Jackets and make Nationwide Arena a permanent home.

I've made the comparison to Florida before in the SEC. Ohio State has the resources to put forth a quality basketball team and they have in the past. Yes football comes first but it's possible for both to be successful.

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Living here and attending events at both, I kind of view the Schott and Nationwide as relatively interchangeable. It's an odd situation that both even exist given how similar they are.

They need a St. John's, but modernized. I can't see it ever happening though. The Schott is in great condition, a lot of renovations have been done in the last decade, it just sucks for basketball.

[Assembly Hall]

But they are both football first schools in areas that should draw talent for basketball and could pay to get a good coach.

Florida had a lot of their success with Billy Donovan.

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Michigan would be a better comparison.

[WVRed]

Living here and attending events at both, I kind of view the Schott and Nationwide as relatively interchangeable. It's an odd situation that both even exist given how similar they are.

They need a St. John's, but modernized. I can't see it ever happening though. The Schott is in great condition, a lot of renovations have been done in the last decade, it just sucks for basketball.I didn't even realize they were both built around the same time. Could have sworn Schott was older.

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[bucksfan2]

I think if Ohio State really wanted to they could work out something with the city or Blue Jackets and make Nationwide Arena a permanent home.

I've made the comparison to Florida before in the SEC. Ohio State has the resources to put forth a quality basketball team and they have in the past. Yes football comes first but it's possible for both to be successful.

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No No No. I have said this before but in my time at OSU from 2000-2004 I never went to an OSU basketball game. As a freshman we inquired about tickets, but they sold them in packs, and it wasn't cheap, so no one wanted to do it. The Schott is also a pretty long haul from most of the dorms as well as off campus housing. You are not going to get student involvement if you have to take a bus to the game which is what you do with the Schott and Nationwide is even further away.

The Schott always had had issues, big arena, the students weren't move to prime seating until more recently, it isn't within walking distance of most of the dorms to name a few. Its also a massive, multi-purpose arena that does well for big games, but its tough to fill 20,000K when its not a massive game. I really wish they would renovate St Johns Arena because most fans clamor for that, and a 13K arena works great for most CBB games. I don't know about the boxes, which could be a primary reason they don't.

[bucksfan2]

Yeah. Not shooting the messenger, but that list is blah and doesn’t even contain Indiana States Josh Schertz or Iowa State’s coach - both, like Kelsey, have yet to engineer a deep NCAA run.

Oats, too, has never made it past the first weekend but Alabama doesn’t have the ceiling of IU, tOSU and Michigan in regard to hoops as a program. Musselman’s Arkansas team is experiencing a down year, but he’s been to two Elite 8s. He’s the only NBA to College head coach experiment that’s worked. Then again, he was an LSU assistant before heading to Nevada. Definitely worth a call.


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Tournament success anymore is a crap shoot. I want a coach who ahs the team playing well in conference and playing meaningful basketball in March. Its been since 2020 that OSU has had a team with any juice in March.

With both Kelsey and Schertz, you would ideally want another stop before a place like OSU. As for Davis at UD, pass. He has a good thing going at UD, is an alum, and he failed at his previous power 5 job. Keep it rocking at UD, probably a better place for him anyway. UD is a interesting job where you have pressure, without the pressure, you get a good team and you are making the tournament not having to slog through a power 5 schedule.

Thinking about the game today, there maybe 5 or so in demand coaches who would say no if OSU came calling. I am thinking Self, Altman, Hurley, and who else? I don't think the programs like Duke, UNC, and UK have coaches that are currently all that appealing. That may change, and you can rule out rival transfers (Izzo isn't coming to OSU) but OSU should have the choice of a pretty top tier coach.

[WVRed]

Tournament success anymore is a crap shoot. I want a coach who ahs the team playing well in conference and playing meaningful basketball in March. Its been since 2020 that OSU has had a team with any juice in March.

With both Kelsey and Schertz, you would ideally want another stop before a place like OSU. As for Davis at UD, pass. He has a good thing going at UD, is an alum, and he failed at his previous power 5 job. Keep it rocking at UD, probably a better place for him anyway. UD is a interesting job where you have pressure, without the pressure, you get a good team and you are making the tournament not having to slog through a power 5 schedule.

Thinking about the game today, there maybe 5 or so in demand coaches who would say no if OSU came calling. I am thinking Self, Altman, Hurley, and who else? I don't think the programs like Duke, UNC, and UK have coaches that are currently all that appealing. That may change, and you can rule out rival transfers (Izzo isn't coming to OSU) but OSU should have the choice of a pretty top tier coach.

Hubert Davis took UNC to the championship game as an 8 seed his first year and has had UNC highly ranked this season.

Haven't been impressed with Scheyer. He can recruit (Cooper Flagg next year) but Coach K he is not. Either way, both are at their alma maters so OSU wouldn't be calling them anyways.

Cal and Kentucky I saw it best described the other day, it's a broken marriage where they are staying together because its less expensive than getting a divorce. Cal isn't leaving with the money he's being paid and Kentucky isn't going to fire him and eat his contract.

Lamont Paris is probably your best bet and that will probably be a bidding war with Michigan.

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[bucksfan2]

Hubert Davis took UNC to the championship game as an 8 seed his first year and has had UNC highly ranked this season.

Haven't been impressed with Scheyer. He can recruit (Cooper Flagg next year) but Coach K he is not. Either way, both are at their alma maters so OSU wouldn't be calling them anyways.

Cal and Kentucky I saw it best described the other day, it's a broken marriage where they are staying together because its less expensive than getting a divorce. Cal isn't leaving with the money he's being paid and Kentucky isn't going to fire him and eat his contract.

Lamont Paris is probably your best bet and that will probably be a bidding war with Michigan.

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Maybe I am wrong about Hubert Davis, and he probably isn't going anywhere because he is at his alma matter, but is he a coach everyone would back the brink truck up for? I don't know. Scheyer is still early on, but IMO he was unqualified for the Duke job, and I don't think anyone would clamor to get him. One guy who I have always liked is Bruce Peral, don't know if there is any interest, but he would bring excitement to the program.

Lamont Paris is an Ohio guy, looks like his success at USC has been only one season. IMO that would be a pretty big roll of the dice.

I had no clue Cal was as young as he is and can't believe he has been at UK for as long as he has. If you would have told me back then that Cal would have coached UK for more than a decade, I would have said he would have 3-4 titles.

[WVRed]

Maybe I am wrong about Hubert Davis, and he probably isn't going anywhere because he is at his alma matter, but is he a coach everyone would back the brink truck up for? I don't know. Scheyer is still early on, but IMO he was unqualified for the Duke job, and I don't think anyone would clamor to get him. One guy who I have always liked is Bruce Peral, don't know if there is any interest, but he would bring excitement to the program.

Lamont Paris is an Ohio guy, looks like his success at USC has been only one season. IMO that would be a pretty big roll of the dice.

I had no clue Cal was as young as he is and can't believe he has been at UK for as long as he has. If you would have told me back then that Cal would have coached UK for more than a decade, I would have said he would have 3-4 titles.

I know if Cal ever left Kentucky Pearl would probably throw himself at the job. Not sure UK fans feel the same way.

One title with 7 NBA all stars this year representing Kentucky is pretty underwhelming with the talent that has come through. The problem is the game has changed and all Cal knows is dribble drive. This past year was the first top recruiting class Cal has gotten and the team is a sieve defensively.

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[Revering4Blue]

Tournament success anymore is a crap shoot. I want a coach who ahs the team playing well in conference and playing meaningful basketball in March. Its been since 2020 that OSU has had a team with any juice in March.

With both Kelsey and Schertz, you would ideally want another stop before a place like OSU. As for Davis at UD, pass. He has a good thing going at UD, is an alum, and he failed at his previous power 5 job. Keep it rocking at UD, probably a better place for him anyway. UD is a interesting job where you have pressure, without the pressure, you get a good team and you are making the tournament not having to slog through a power 5 schedule.

Thinking about the game today, there maybe 5 or so in demand coaches who would say no if OSU came calling. I am thinking Self, Altman, Hurley, and who else? I don't think the programs like Duke, UNC, and UK have coaches that are currently all that appealing. That may change, and you can rule out rival transfers (Izzo isn't coming to OSU) but OSU should have the choice of a pretty top tier coach.

Again, you have to go back to 2006 and 2007 to find instances of high-profile non-mid major coaches jumping to another major conference job: Kelvin Sampson and John Beilein, and both following down years by their standards.

But that was before the preponderance of several cable tv networks and conference networks (Big Ten Network, SEC Network, FSI etc. ). Back then, not nearly as many Major Conference games were available Nationally to view, which meant you had to be coaching for a very high-profile school to have a chance to annually recruit elite talent and position yourself to be in the hunt annually for a chance to win National Championships. That’s not the case at all today.

Granted, NIL may change the equation somewhat, and you have to at least gauge interest from the likes of, for example, Scott Drew - who is relatively underpaid by elite coach standards - or Eric Musselman ( could he jump to a school considered an elite job given a down year he’s currently experiencing?). But more than likely, the time to nab a high-profile / elite coach is before they are considered as such. And that usually, not always, entails hiring a mid-major coach. That said, Big East schools, without major college football $$, may be at a disadvantage in regard to keeping their coach (Danny Hurley, the exception, as he’s already won it all and is poised to win multiple titles) when/if an IU ( if their administrators would get their heads out of you know where ), tOSU, Michigan or Louisville come calling.


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[bucksfan2]

Again, you have to go back to 2006 and 2007 to find instances of high-profile non-mid major coaches jumping to another major conference job: Kelvin Sampson and John Beilein, and both following down years by their standards.

But that was before the preponderance of several cable tv networks and conference networks (Big Ten Network, SEC Network, FSI etc. ). Back then, not nearly as many Major Conference games were available Nationally to view, which meant you had to be coaching for a very high-profile school to have a chance to annually recruit elite talent and position yourself to be in the hunt annually for a chance to win National Championships. That’s not the case at all today.

Granted, NIL may change the equation somewhat, and you have to at least gauge interest from the likes of, for example, Scott Drew - who is relatively underpaid by elite coach standards - or Eric Musselman ( could he jump to a school considered an elite job given a down year he’s currently experiencing?). But more than likely, the time to nab a high-profile / elite coach is before they are considered as such. And that usually, not always, entails hiring a mid-major coach. That said, Big East schools, without major college football $$, may be at a disadvantage in regard to keeping their coach (Danny Hurley, the exception, as he’s already won it all and is poised to win multiple titles) when/if an IU ( if their administrators would get their heads out of you know where ), tOSU, Michigan or Louisville come calling.


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The B1G is flush with money, and its they will continue to separate themselves from the rest with the exception of the SEC. I know Holtman has a pretty high buyout, but it shouldn't stop them from firing him. I was listening to a podcast about the next OSU basketball coach and it was pretty much everybody but Self, Izzo, and Cal should be in play. And to be honest I think the game has passed Izzo and Cal by.

Shoot your shot at Drew who is relatively underpaid, shoot your shot at Hurley. I do think the B1G needs to get coaches in there who can change up the style of play. The one thing the Big East schools have going for them is they are king at their respective university. The coach at OSU has to realize that he won't be BMOC, he will always take a backseat to Football.

The unfortunate thing right now in the B1G is the style of play it takes to succeed in the B1G is exactly the style of play that gets you knocked out early in the tournament.

[Revering4Blue]

The B1G is flush with money, and its they will continue to separate themselves from the rest with the exception of the SEC. I know Holtman has a pretty high buyout, but it shouldn't stop them from firing him. I was listening to a podcast about the next OSU basketball coach and it was pretty much everybody but Self, Izzo, and Cal should be in play. And to be honest I think the game has passed Izzo and Cal by.

Shoot your shot at Drew who is relatively underpaid, shoot your shot at Hurley. I do think the B1G needs to get coaches in there who can change up the style of play. The one thing the Big East schools have going for them is they are king at their respective university. The coach at OSU has to realize that he won't be BMOC, he will always take a backseat to Football.

The unfortunate thing right now in the B1G is the style of play it takes to succeed in the B1G is exactly the style of play that gets you knocked out early in the tournament.

It certainly doesn’t hurt to try. But I highly doubt a substantial salary increase would sway the aforementioned high-profile coaches to leave solid programs they have built - in, frankly, stronger conferences - to rebuild dumpster fires in the B1G. Hurley is already coaching for, not only, an elite program, but also has an elite job, courtesy of a return to the Big East. Beard would assuredly leave Ole Miss for IU or tOSU, but I doubt either would go in that direction.

IMHO, even the most high - profile schools/jobs with certain openings this spring shouldn’t sleep on Mountain West coaches as potential replacements. The conference largely plays an entertaining brand of hoops. It’s stronger than the soon-to-be - dissolved Pac - 12. That said, Dutcher’s chances of leaving San Diego are slimmer than slim.


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[bucksfan2]

It certainly doesn’t hurt to try. But I highly doubt a substantial salary increase would sway the aforementioned high-profile coaches to leave solid programs they have built - in, frankly, stronger conferences - to rebuild dumpster fires in the B1G. Hurley is already coaching for, not only, an elite program, but also has an elite job, courtesy of a return to the Big East. Beard would assuredly leave Ole Miss for IU or tOSU, but I doubt either would go in that direction.

IMHO, even the most high - profile schools/jobs with certain openings this spring shouldn’t sleep on Mountain West coaches as potential replacements. The conference largely plays an entertaining brand of hoops. It’s stronger than the soon-to-be - dissolved Pac - 12. That said, Dutcher’s chances of leaving San Diego are slimmer than slim.


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I don't think Hurley will or should leave UConn, but you make that call, and he will probably answer. I also don't think any of the aforementioned teams would even sniff Chris Beard. There is just too much baggage there.

I do find it odd that OSU, IU, and Michigan will/should be looking for new coaches before next season. While I thought at the time Holtman was good hire it turned out to be a pretty mediocre one. IU with Woodson was questionable to say the least, and I can't believe Michigan has stuck with Howard for as long as they have. I think its the trouble you run into when you hire former great. Howard is too much of a loose cannon on the sideline and should have been fired last season. I don't know why Michigan hasn't let him go yet (I don't know his contract status) but it may be a race for these three program to hire the guy they really want.

I think the pecking order for those jobs is IU, OSU and then Michigan. I don't know if IU will move off from Woodson this season and Michigan seems stuck in a quagmire with Howard. I do remember the last time IU and OSU were looking for coaches and IU swooped up Archie Miller which many though was the next in line to be OSU's coach. I guess that didn't work out for either teams all that well.

[Assembly Hall]

I don't think Hurley will or should leave UConn, but you make that call, and he will probably answer. I also don't think any of the aforementioned teams would even sniff Chris Beard. There is just too much baggage there.

I do find it odd that OSU, IU, and Michigan will/should be looking for new coaches before next season. While I thought at the time Holtman was good hire it turned out to be a pretty mediocre one. IU with Woodson was questionable to say the least, and I can't believe Michigan has stuck with Howard for as long as they have. I think its the trouble you run into when you hire former great. Howard is too much of a loose cannon on the sideline and should have been fired last season. I don't know why Michigan hasn't let him go yet (I don't know his contract status) but it may be a race for these three program to hire the guy they really want.

I think the pecking order for those jobs is IU, OSU and then Michigan. I don't know if IU will move off from Woodson this season and Michigan seems stuck in a quagmire with Howard. I do remember the last time IU and OSU were looking for coaches and IU swooped up Archie Miller which many though was the next in line to be OSU's coach. I guess that didn't work out for either teams all that well.

My guy says IU sticks with Woodson.

Howard's contract: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2021/11/17/how-much-ums-juwan-howard-make-under-new-five-year-deal/8655318002/

[bucksfan2]

Man Howard's isn't a terrible buyout, but they have had two chances to fire him with cause over the past two seasons. I can't believe they didn't do so.

As for Woodson, I don't get it, but I am also not an IU fan. Seemed like an odd hire at the time, they haven't impressed under his leadership.

On one of my buckeye podcasts they made a pretty good point (now this is a football primary podcast but both guys covered basketball at one point.) The B1G has been mired in mediocrity over the past couple of seasons. It has been Purdue and then average blah. There has been no one challenging Purdue at the top. Had OSU or IU or Michigan been competent the past two seasons they would have been the #2 program challenging Purdue. But nope, they all three stink.

[Assembly Hall]

Man Howard's isn't a terrible buyout, but they have had two chances to fire him with cause over the past two seasons. I can't believe they didn't do so.

As for Woodson, I don't get it, but I am also not an IU fan. Seemed like an odd hire at the time, they haven't impressed under his leadership.

On one of my buckeye podcasts they made a pretty good point (now this is a football primary podcast but both guys covered basketball at one point.) The B1G has been mired in mediocrity over the past couple of seasons. It has been Purdue and then average blah. There has been no one challenging Purdue at the top. Had OSU or IU or Michigan been competent the past two seasons they would have been the #2 program challenging Purdue. But nope, they all three stink.

Yep. Michigan has stood by their man.

Woodson is/was a odd/bad hire.

Purdue ain't going away after Edey leaves.

[bucksfan2]

Yep. Michigan has stood by their man.

Woodson is/was a odd/bad hire.

Purdue ain't going away after Edey leaves.

Purdue ain't going anywhere in the tournament until they learn to play a different style of basketball. I thought the team with Ivey was special, but they flamed out. Didn't Purdue lose to St Peters that year? They were upset by a 16 seed last year. That style just doesn't play in the tournament.

While I don't think Painter would leave Purdue, I want him nowhere near OSU. I just don't think his style translates in a one and done tournament.

[Assembly Hall]

Purdue ain't going anywhere in the tournament until they learn to play a different style of basketball. I thought the team with Ivey was special, but they flamed out. Didn't Purdue lose to St Peters that year? They were upset by a 16 seed last year. That style just doesn't play in the tournament.

While I don't think Painter would leave Purdue, I want him nowhere near OSU. I just don't think his style translates in a one and done tournament.

I agree with most of that. However the Boilers starting guards are now another year older(both sophs) and they added a couple of additional pieces. Basically this aint the same Purdue squad from last year even though Edey still patrols the paint.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Holtmann is being fired today.

[Sea Ray]

Holtmann is being fired today.

Why now?

[WVRed]

Why now?Hopefully they don't fall in love with "insert assistant coach here".

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[BuckeyeRed27]

Why now?

My guess is the lack of winning basketball games.

[Sea Ray]

My guess is the lack of winning basketball games.

That's nothing new in Columbus

[BuckeyeRed27]

That's nothing new in Columbus

Which answers the why now.

[Sea Ray]

It's likely too late to turn it around to make the tournament. So if it's not that then why now?

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's likely too late to turn it around to make the tournament. So if it's not that then why now?

Audition someone.
Give the team a jolt, see if you can at least get NIT or maybe win the conference tournament.
Start the process of looking for a new coach.
Get someone quickly for recruiting and transfers.

[Sea Ray]

Audition someone.
Give the team a jolt, see if you can at least get NIT or maybe win the conference tournament.
Start the process of looking for a new coach.
Get someone quickly for recruiting and transfers.

Those are worthy goals and they'd have been much more easily accomplished a month ago

Have they announced the interim coach?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Those are worthy goals and they'd have been much more easily accomplished a month ago

Have they announced the interim coach?

They haven’t announced the firing yet.

[Sea Ray]

They haven’t announced the firing yet.

I didn't know if the rumor included the replacement. Apparently not

[bucksfan2]

Audition someone.
Give the team a jolt, see if you can at least get NIT or maybe win the conference tournament.
Start the process of looking for a new coach.
Get someone quickly for recruiting and transfers.

They need a clean break from this staff. I hope they don't audition anyone. Firing someone this early pretty much gives them the chance to have first dibbs on the coach they want.

I initially would have thought they want to do something to keep Gayle, Thornton, and Okpara, but they are on this team and it stinks. You get the right coach and players are going to want to play for him.

Haven't seen anything official yet.

[RedTeamGo!]

It's likely too late to turn it around to make the tournament. So if it's not that then why now?

Easy. We are seeing this more and more in college sports. Gotta get a jump on finding new coach for recruiting and transfer purposes. That way they can hire new coach ASAP. It’s kind of like how Wisconsin fired their football coach in October 2 years ago. Hired Fickell as soon as they possibly could.

[bucksfan2]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-basketball/2024/02/145534/ten-candidates-to-replace-chris-holtmann-as-ohio-state-basketballs-head-coach

I don't know what to think of this list. I have seen enough of Mick Cronin to know he is a hard no. Didn't realize McDermott had such a good thing going at Creighton. I don't see how they bring Thad back, as much as I liked Thad during his tenure at OSU, I just don't think you go back.

Jay Wright used to be my favorite non OSU coach, would love to have him at OSU. Don't know how long he would stay but man that would be a home run hire.

Never knew there was such bad blood with Musselann. Also didn't realize he was from Ohio.

I guess my list would be

Wright
oats
Musselman
Dusty May

[Boston Red]

Jay Wright is the new Brad Stevens who was the new Billy Donovan. The great white whale of every school's coaching search.

Well, I guess Stevens actually left college before Donovan, but you get the idea.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Diebler is the interim.

[Assembly Hall]

Jay Wright is the new Brad Stevens who was the new Billy Donovan. The great white whale of every school's coaching search.

Well, I guess Stevens actually left college before Donovan, but you get the idea.

Wright is the one that didn't jump to the NBA. Maybe he would like to do a Rick Majerus?

[bucksfan2]

Wright is the one that didn't jump to the NBA. Maybe he would like to do a Rick Majerus?

IMO Wright is a guy who left because he didn't like the new age college basketball. Maybe he really misses it..... I don't think he comes back to coaching, but I at least make that call.

As for Stevens and Donovan, if Stevens wanted to coach, every single team in college and the pros would be calling him. Donovan has been the great white whale for years now. Don't see him moving back to college anytime soon. I just think the new age of college basketball, NIL and transferring at will are forcing a lot of older coaches to retire. Its not exactly a bad thing as I think the game needed some fresh blood.

[RiverRat13]

I can't imagine that deep-pocketed graybeards would allow a Musselman to coach at Ohio State.

[WVRed]

I can't imagine that deep-pocketed graybeards would allow a Musselman to coach at Ohio State.Or Nate Oats.



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[Assembly Hall]

Or Nate Oats.



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Chris Beard. C'mon down.

[goreds2]

If any of you can get CBS, best to tune in now. Playing #2 Purdue. Great game with 11:44 to go.

[BuckeyeRed27]

We back!

[dubc47834]

Thank you to OSU basketball for beating the Boilers!

[RedTeamGo!]

Hilarious

[RedTeamGo!]

After the win against Purdue sunday afternoon, those 18 pt blown leads against Penn State and Indiana are looming very large.

[Sea Ray]

We back!

Back to what? NIT consideration? Your NET ranking is one spot behind Seton Hall, well below Xavier


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[bucksfan2]

After the win against Purdue sunday afternoon, those 18 pt blown leads against Penn State and Indiana are looming very large.

Its funny because in a lot of game they lost, it was just a bucket or two during a long cold stretch. I watched some of the game at home and then some out at a brewery, but they looked like they played a little harder. And maybe it was the dead cat bounce and also Diebler with a little more coaching enthusiasm.

I don't think it will happen, nor do I think it should, but on a podcast a week or so ago, Birm threw out that he wanted Beilein to come in for a season or two to bridge the game to Diebler who he thinks is a rising star in the game. I don't think you can go with Diebler, but good for him getting a nice W under his belt.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Back to what? NIT consideration? Your NET ranking is one spot behind Seton Hall, well below Xavier


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Are you capable of ever not sucking? Go away.

[Sea Ray]

Are you incapable of ever not sucking? Go away.

So you got nothing other than a personal attack. Got it. I'm here to talk Ohio State basketball and I'm not going away

[BuckeyeRed27]

Its funny because in a lot of game they lost, it was just a bucket or two during a long cold stretch. I watched some of the game at home and then some out at a brewery, but they looked like they played a little harder. And maybe it was the dead cat bounce and also Diebler with a little more coaching enthusiasm.

I don't think it will happen, nor do I think it should, but on a podcast a week or so ago, Birm threw out that he wanted Beilein to come in for a season or two to bridge the game to Diebler who he thinks is a rising star in the game. I don't think you can go with Diebler, but good for him getting a nice W under his belt.

I don’t think even if they went on a 7 or 8 game streak here and snuck into the tournament would they give it to Diebler. The new AD is gonna want to hire someone and that isn’t gonna be an inexperienced in house feel good hire.

[BuckeyeRed27]

So you got nothing other than a personal attack. Got it. I'm here to talk Ohio State basketball and I'm not going away

I’m sure we will all be captivated by your amazing contributions.

[RedTeamGo!]

Back to what? NIT consideration? Your NET ranking is one spot behind Seton Hall, well below Xavier


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BuckeyeRed was pretty obviously joking with his "we back" comment, and you were pretty obviously using it as opportunity to troll.

I don't really care about the trolling, mind you, but lets not pretend it was anything other than that.

[Sea Ray]

I’m sure we will all be captivated by your amazing contributions.

I contributed facts and you responded with a personal attack.

[Sea Ray]

BuckeyeRed was pretty obviously joking with his "we back" comment, and you were pretty obviously using it as opportunity to troll.

I don't really care about the trolling, mind you, but lets not pretend it was anything other than that.

It wasn't rose colored rah rah Ohio State but that doesn't make it trolling. An adult response would be to elaborate on what the win means for the program because it was a big win. Teams don't beat #2 ranked teams every day

Personal attacks are rarely indicated so don't forget to include that in your synopsis of this

[bucksfan2]

I don’t think even if they went on a 7 or 8 game streak here and snuck into the tournament would they give it to Diebler. The new AD is gonna want to hire someone and that isn’t gonna be an inexperienced in house feel good hire.

I agree. Diebler may be the Luke Fickell of OSU basketball. A coach who may be on the rise, has Ohio roots, takes over during a tumultuous time, but never is seriously in the running for the head coach gig. In a few years Diebler may be the coach of his own program whose name comes up for big time coaching gigs when the open up.

I do think Bjork will look for a splash hire. AD's are judged on football and basketball hires, Bjork needs to nail this one.

[RedTeamGo!]

I will be surprised if it isnt either McDermott or Paris

[WVRed]

I agree. Diebler may be the Luke Fickell of OSU basketball. A coach who may be on the rise, has Ohio roots, takes over during a tumultuous time, but never is seriously in the running for the head coach gig. In a few years Diebler may be the coach of his own program whose name comes up for big time coaching gigs when the open up.

I do think Bjork will look for a splash hire. AD's are judged on football and basketball hires, Bjork needs to nail this one.

Hope it's better than Kermit Davis.



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[Assembly Hall]

I will be surprised if it isnt either McDermott or Paris

McDermott have any Ohio ties? Or would it only be a cash transaction?

[RedTeamGo!]

McDermott have any Ohio ties? Or would it only be a cash transaction?

Rumor is he wants out of Creighton and he wanted the OSU gig last time it was available. He would have taken it if offered but Gene Smith chose Holtmann over him. It was down between those two. Sounds like he would still want it.

[WVRed]

I think the shine has worn off of Paris lately too. Could be wrong but he has hit a stumbling block in the SEC.

I thought Bjork hired Buzz Williams but turns out he was hired before Bjork got to A&M.

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[goreds2]

Sun, 2/25
@
MSU
4:00 PM est.
CBS

[Assembly Hall]

Sun, 2/25
@
MSU
4:00 PM est.
CBS

Go Buckeyes!

[RedTeamGo!]

lol wow

[Sea Ray]

lol wow

Looks like OSU should've changed coaches sooner

[bucksfan2]

The OSU Sparty games used to be bangers. It doesn't seem that long ago that they would play late in the season and the winner had the lead for the B1G title. This game was fun, but both are unranked and MSU is probably a meddling team in the NCAA tournament.

I have see the Dispatch report that there have been conversations with Dusty May about the open coaching job. Oh and Jay Wright said he isn't coaching again.

[Assembly Hall]

I have see the Dispatch report that there have been conversations with Dusty May about the open coaching job. Oh and Jay Wright said he isn't coaching again.

And Dusty said, "I am holding out for IU." lol

[RedTeamGo!]

And Dusty said, "I am holding out for IU." lol

I honestly would not be upset by this, he kind of seems like a flash in the pan.

[Assembly Hall]

I honestly would not be upset by this, he kind of seems like a flash in the pan.

I dunno about Dusty myself tbh. I keep thinking he is having Archie Miller type success. If I am in charge of the Bucknut hire I get Beard.

[bucksfan2]

I honestly would not be upset by this, he kind of seems like a flash in the pan.

That or he is the next Brad Stevens. He took Florida Atlantic from a middling mid major to one point of the national championship game and has them in position to make the tournament as an at large again this season.

I was a big fan of Sean Miller the first go around at X, and though they had a chance to get him before they got Holtmann. Seems like right now his star has faded and they are getting a guy on his way down. If this is the direction Bjork decides to go, it pretty much shows he wants a splashy name hire. Not sure he is the best guy. He had Arizona rolling for a while, but never got over the hump in the tournament. Most of what he got in trouble for his no longer an issue. Given OSU's budget, you would expect Miller to have them close to what he did at Arizona, which would be pretty nice coming from the end of the Holtman era.

One thing to consider, there is a nice core of guys on OSU right now. Thorton, Gayle, Okpara, Royal and Middleton could ease the transition to a new coach. Who knows if they all stay, in today's environment that is iffy at best. But any coach who comes in may have a quality roster to compete with. Not all that different than what Holtman walked into with Tate and Bates-Diop.

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I dunno about Dusty myself tbh. I keep thinking he is having Archie Miller type success. If I am in charge of the Bucknut hire I get Beard.

Yea other than beating up his girl friend, he would be a heck of a hire. FWIW I think he is off their board.

[RedTeamGo!]

It is legit wild how bad Holtmann was. Diebler takes over and the team immediately goes 4-1 with wins over Purdue and at MSU. Then an absolute blowout of UM. And I know UM is horrible this year, but they beat OSU led by Holtmann by 8 like a month ago. It’s such a shame Holtmann wasn’t fired last year. This team obviously has talent. Devin Royal, for example, got 0 play under Holtmann and now with Diebler hes getting a lot of minutes and playing well. I said it 2 weeks ago. Those 18 point lead meltdowns against Penn State and Indiana are looming quite large. With those two games in the win column this is a tourney team right now. Would be 20-10 with a couple really solid wins.

[WVRed]

It is legit wild how bad Holtmann was. Diebler takes over and the team immediately goes 4-1 with wins over Purdue and at MSU. Then an absolute blowout of UM. And I know UM is horrible this year, but they beat OSU led by Holtmann by 8 like a month ago. It’s such a shame Holtmann wasn’t fired last year. This team obviously has talent. Devin Royal, for example, got 0 play under Holtmann and now with Diebler hes getting a lot of minutes and playing well. I said it 2 weeks ago. Those 18 point lead meltdowns against Penn State and Indiana are looming quite large. With those two games in the win column this is a tourney team right now. Would be 20-10 with a couple really solid wins.Do you think Diebler has a shot at the full time job or is this the dead cat bounce?

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[RedTeamGo!]

Do you think Diebler has a shot at the full time job or is this the dead cat bounce?

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I don’t think he has a chance, it really just illustrates how awful Holtmann was to me.

[bucksfan2]

Do you think Diebler has a shot at the full time job or is this the dead cat bounce?

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Probably not. I know people are high on Diebler. I think Diebler is bringing in a lot of energy to the team, he is also letting things rip, something that Holtman was a little too conservative in doing.

Holtman had terrible Jan and Feb's the last two years. It wasn't until late Feb early March when the team started to play with more energy. But this was also the time he let it rip with his younger players. I don't know why he hesitated too long to really give the freshmen considerable minutes. I also don't know if the starters got worn down because of the minutes they were playing.

If you take an honest look at the team, talent wise they should have been an upper middle of the pack B1G team. They should have been fighting for a double bye in the B1G tournament. If you keep Diebler around that keeps the continuity in the program, you most likely keep Thornton, Gayle Jr, Middleton, Royal, and Okpara. That is a pretty good squad there, but the big question is, do you really want continuity? Its also not like they have a massive recruiting class coming in. I think if Gene Smith were making the decision, Diebler would have a shot at the job, not so much with Bjork.

[goreds2]

#4 Nationally Ranked Lady Buckeyes play Maryland today 12:30pm est. in the quarter finals of Big 10 Tournament. Televised on Big Ten Network.

[goreds2]

Mens Buckeyes next game:

Thu, 3/14
vs
IOWA
6:30 PM
BTN

[bucksfan2]

I have a feeling that Jake Diebler is inching closer to a realistic option in the coaching search. I do think we may be at a point where its Dusty May with Diebler the backup choice.

[Assembly Hall]

I have a feeling that Jake Diebler is inching closer to a realistic option in the coaching search. I do think we may be at a point where its Dusty May with Diebler the backup choice.

All I know is that I don't want to play Ohio St. right now.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think Diebler gets it, he is using players that Holtmann refused to and is getting good results. Holtmann looks sooooo bad.

[*BaseClogger*]

Holtmann already landed the gig at DePaul which sounded impressive to me at first because I think of DePaul as a basketball school but then I looked at their recent records and was reminded how little I follow the sport.

[RedTeamGo!]

Holtmann already landed the gig at DePaul which sounded impressive to me at first because I think of DePaul as a basketball school but then I looked at their recent records and was reminded how little I follow the sport.

Yep, worst team in their conference, by far, and Holtmann isn’t going turn it around. This is effectively just a paycheck for him before he can’t find any more jobs.

[*BaseClogger*]

Yep, worst team in their conference, by far, and Holtmann isn’t going turn it around. This is effectively just a paycheck for him before he can’t find any more jobs.

Not a bad gig to get to work/live in Lincoln Park.

[RedTeamGo!]

Reports starting surface Jake Diebler is the next coach. I like it. Seems like a good coach.

[Reds Freak]

Reports starting surface Jake Diebler is the next coach. I like it. Seems like a good coach.

Pretty big risk to hand it over to a 37 year old with 8 games of head coaching experience. Hope it turns out well for them, but there's always danger in falling in love with the interim.

[RedTeamGo!]

Pretty big risk to hand it over to a 37 year old with 8 games of head coaching experience. Hope it turns out well for them, but there's always danger in falling in love with the interim.

For sure but he’s a great recruiter and he’s not Chris Holtmann

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don’t really like it. He did a solid job, but it was also a pretty small sample size and the history of this style of hire isn’t that great.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don’t really like it. He did a solid job, but it was also a pretty small sample size and the history of this style of hire isn’t that great.

I honestly don’t think there’s much out there available with regard to head coaches so I’m ok with it, he’s a great recruiter. He’s the guy that got Darius Garland to Vanderbilt, for example. He seemed to know which players should be playing down this stretch, while Holtmann was clueless.

Everyone wants Dusty May, but he seems like a flash in the pan to me.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I honestly don’t think there’s much out there available with regard to head coaches so I’m ok with it, he’s a great recruiter. He’s the guy that got Darius Garland to Vanderbilt, for example. He seemed to know which players should be playing down this stretch, while Holtmann was clueless.

Everyone wants Dusty May, but he seems like a flash in the pan to me.

Yeah I mean I hope it works and there wasn’t another super obvious candidate and I’m glad they didn’t do something stupid like Sean Miller.

I guess I would have preferred a little more experience, but with where college basketball is at maybe that doesn’t matter.

[WVRed]

Yeah I mean I hope it works and there wasn’t another super obvious candidate and I’m glad they didn’t do something stupid like Sean Miller.

I guess I would have preferred a little more experience, but with where college basketball is at maybe that doesn’t matter.This kinda begs the question, if a coach is fired mid season and an assistant is promoted does the transfer portal rules apply to that team?

If they would have hired Dusty May for example they would have likely had a new roster.

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[RedTeamGo!]

This kinda begs the question, if a coach is fired mid season and an assistant is promoted does the transfer portal rules apply to that team?

If they would have hired Dusty May for example they would have likely had a new roster.

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Most of these players are at OSU specifically because of Diebler, so I definitely think the band is staying together. I could see Chatman leaving because rumors he is homesick.

[goreds2]

Ohio State has accepted a bid to the 2024 National Invitation Tournament, or NIT, and earned a No. 2 seed in the 32-team bracket revealed Sunday night.

The Buckeyes will host Cornell in the first round of the invitational on Tuesday night, with tip off set for 7p.m. on ESPN2.

[bucksfan2]

I don't mind the Diebler hire. I think they could/should have gotten a bigger name coach. But I also think Diebler is a guy who would be a hot mid major coach in a season or two. The current team played better under Diebler and he has been the primary recruiter on the team over the past few seasons.

This hire pretty much says the team won't suck next season as long as the roster stays together. They "should" be good with Okpara, Gayle, and Thornton back as juniors. The key for Diebler will be program building, something he has never done. I think he needs to get an older coach on his staff who has been a head coach of a program before.

Overall I am pretty lukewarm here. Good for Diebler, he coached his tail off when he got the job. We will see if he has the chops to run a B1G program.

[goreds2]

Ohio State
vs
Virginia Tech

Value City Arena
Columbus, Ohio
NIT
Mar 23
(Sat)
7:00 PM
ESPN +

[goreds2]

NIT

Tue, 3/26
vs
UGA

7:00 PM est

ESPN

ESPN+

[goreds2]

Buckeyes lose 79-77 in a thriller. It is the NIT but what a great game even on the losing side.

[Sea Ray]

Very exciting end to the season. I'm a big advocate of the NIT if you've got no chance at winning the NCAA in many cases. Go to the NIT and try to win something. If not, at least play some more fun games. Kinda like playing in a Bowl that's not for the playoffs. It's OK

[goreds2]

Very exciting end to the season. I'm a big advocate of the NIT if you've got no chance at winning the NCAA in many cases. Go to the NIT and try to win something. If not, at least play some more fun games. Kinda like playing in a Bowl that's not for the playoffs. It's OK

Plus, it gives younger players more game experience.

[bucksfan2]

Very exciting end to the season. I'm a big advocate of the NIT if you've got no chance at winning the NCAA in many cases. Go to the NIT and try to win something. If not, at least play some more fun games. Kinda like playing in a Bowl that's not for the playoffs. It's OK

The NIT this year made sense for OSU to play in. It gave Diebler experience, something he needs. Playing an additional 4 games for be beneficial. I am sure the practice time and keeping the team together for another two weeks was a big help for him.

I did watch OSU's games, mainly for the above reason, well at least the games that didn't go up against NCAA tournament games. That said, if OSU wasn't in the situation listed above, I probably would have ignored the tournament completely.

As a viewer I find the non playoff games pretty unwatchable. I know its good for the programs to get those extra practice games, but the product can be downright painful to watch.

I wonder if we get to a point where teams play in NIT games but some players decide to sit out.

[Reds Freak]

The NIT this year made sense for OSU to play in. It gave Diebler experience, something he needs. Playing an additional 4 games for be beneficial. I am sure the practice time and keeping the team together for another two weeks was a big help for him.

I did watch OSU's games, mainly for the above reason, well at least the games that didn't go up against NCAA tournament games. That said, if OSU wasn't in the situation listed above, I probably would have ignored the tournament completely.

As a viewer I find the non playoff games pretty unwatchable. I know its good for the programs to get those extra practice games, but the product can be downright painful to watch.

I wonder if we get to a point where teams play in NIT games but some players decide to sit out.

Seems to me an answer to all the opt-outs in postseason exhibitions (NIT, non-playoff bowl games) and maybe even any postseason competition is some sort of revenue sharing model. No idea what the numbers would look like, but I think the players who decide to play should get a cut of the revenue pie from that event.

Maybe some of the surefire first round picks would still opt out, but it might prevent bowl games from being matchups of third stringers and teams to think twice before declining NIT bids.

[WVRed]

According to Matt Norlander, Calipari was interested in the Ohio State job but the timing didn't work out. Cal thought he had a deep tournament run at Kentucky and Ohio State wanted to have a coach in place very quickly.

That would have been interesting.

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[WVRed]

Looks like you guys are getting Aaron Bradshaw.

There was rumors when he was at Kentucky that he was looking into decomitting and going to USC to play with Bronny. Maybe that happens in Columbus.

Kinda got lost in the shuffle at UK with Ugo Onyenso, Ivisic, and Tre Mitchell. He was a pretty heralded recruit though just never lived up to it in Lexington.

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