2023 Bengals Part V - Browning to the rescue

[LiferJim]

The defense is horrible...they gave up 400 yds then and 392 tonight...Browning has to be perfect and he is not that guy.

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What's Hoodies record without Brady...

Bingo. I wasn’t happy with the game plan today, but I’m certainly not ready to send Zac packing.


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[LiferJim]

And the Bengals are 3-2 with a backup. So what’s your point?

I do think we need an offensive coordinator, but not a new head coach. One that will specifically tell Joe he is not going to always run plays out of the shotgun. For Joes own good and the good of the team.

Sidenote: Zac Taylor didn’t throw three interceptions today or call the defensive plays, Dom

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[Fil3232]

I’d love to read a nuanced conversation about scheme, and if a new OC is the right lever to pull. But also, when Burrow is fully healthy this offense is among the best in the league. So I don’t know.

What I do know is people like Dom coming in definitively calling for Zac Taylor to be fired, conveniently during the worst half of the year and ignoring any context, is the dumbest of dumb message board fodder. I suspect he’s in the bottle, but it’s still annoying. This is one of my favorite threads to read through the season otherwise, which is why it’s doubly annoying.

[Todd Gack]

Zac’s bonehead move of the night that got lost in this miserable game:

He took his sweet a$$ time getting a play called after the Yoshi catch that was reversed on the sideline. Was anyone else screaming for them to GET THE PLAY OFF!!! Taylor said after the game that he was “trying to get the right play called” instead of just just getting one off. In the end, it didn’t matter, but these little things are what drives me nuts about the guy. He’s so preoccupied with play calling that he just makes game-losing decisions too frequently.

Also, I should mention that this is Taylor’s first loss in December since 2020? We have to at least acknowledge that.

[Todd Gack]

Agreed

Its Tua...
Its Mahomes
Its Josh Allen...
Its Lamar..
It's Jalen...
It's a quarterback driven league and every good HC needs a star...

Yes. But look at Joe’s stats in our playoff games the last two years. They’re not that good. Our defense carried us. We need more dynamic playcalling from our offense. We need an athlete at TE and a competent running game that we can rely on. It doesn’t need to be great, but we can’t just completely ignore it like we seem to do a lot.

[LiferJim]

I’d love to read a nuanced conversation about scheme, and if a new OC is the right lever to pull. But also, when Burrow is fully healthy this offense is among the best in the league. So I don’t know.

What I do know is people like Dom coming in definitively calling for Zac Taylor to be fired, conveniently during the worst half of the year and ignoring any context, is the dumbest of dumb message board fodder. I suspect he’s in the bottle, but it’s still annoying. This is one of my favorite threads to read through the season otherwise, which is why it’s doubly annoying.

Yes, they have been very good when Joe is healthy. The problem I see is that since he always wants to be in the shotgun, defenses are able to pin their ears back and come after him. Im sure that’s part of the reason he is sacked so frequently. The same line that was blocking for Joe is now blocking for Jake, but protecting him much better than they did Joe. I believe that’s because defenses new what was coming, to a degree, when Joes in the shotgun. That also takes play action out of the equation, which often freezes linebackers and safeties just long enough for plays to be open behind them. Of course you have to be able to run the football, for play action to work and that has also been a problem that will need to be addressed.

Joe is not going to be in the league very long if he continues getting sacked at that extremely high rate, so we need to do whatever is necessary to protect him.


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[KoryMac5]

Yes. But look at Joe’s stats in our playoff games the last two years. They’re not that good. Our defense carried us. We need more dynamic playcalling from our offense. We need an athlete at TE and a competent running game that we can rely on. It doesn’t need to be great, but we can’t just completely ignore it like we seem to do a lot.

Kincaid was going to be the pick and he was scooped up...boggles my mind they didn't come back and grab a TE in the 2nd or 3rd. Can you imagine Sam Laporta in this offense or even Tucker Kraft.

I think Chase Brown will be good reminds me a bit of Ekler from SD.

[traderumor]

So a putrid Steelers offense fires their OC right before game 1 and put up 400+ yards and then puts up almost another 400 tonite with a well known scrub QB. I am not sure what competitive advantage produces those results, but it is clearly something other than dumb luck.

Anyone responding "outcoached" merely tells on themselves, and I have no idea what has produced the anomaly in these two matchups this season, but "Taylor is a nothing special"coach does not have the overall evidence on their side.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

This team was not prepared. They will be 0-Division. Zac Taylor needs to go.

It certainly wasn't , Dom. I like Zac in in the locker room after games giving speeches and handing out game balls. I hate him on the sidelines doing anything that resembles coaching. Like Bell, he seems like a good character guy but he struggles in coaching ball.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Bates PFF this season for ATL is 90.4 and though his last year with us was shaky he was unreal in the playoffs...without his tackle against Baltimore we don't win that game.

That's the play that stands out for me. JB3 sprinted clear across the field and made the play, keeping Baltimore out of the endzone. Jessie and Vonn were huge losses.

[oregonred]

Bengals loss moved the current tankathon first round pick from 24th to 17th

[Big Red Smokey]

8-2 vs non AFC North Teams
0-5 vs AFC North

This division is loaded, you have to be physical and dominate the trenches. And the Bengals have gotten absolutely steam rolled all year vs the division. The defense has been just terrible all year. That angle Dax took on the first Pickens catch was absolutely abysmal. Browning didn't play great but he had no chance today. And the rest of the team needed to step up. If you're asking Jake to win games for you it's not gonna happen. There's a reason he was a backup.

[WVRed]

8-2 vs non AFC North Teams
0-5 vs AFC North

This division is loaded, you have to be physical and dominate the trenches. And the Bengals have gotten absolutely steam rolled all year vs the division. The defense has been just terrible all year. That angle Dax took on the first Pickens catch was absolutely abysmal. Browning didn't play great but he had no chance today. And the rest of the team needed to step up. If you're asking Jake to win games for you it's not gonna happen. There's a reason he was a backup.I've said this before but after the Super Bowl year teams started making adjustments against the Bengals.

Baltimore was the obvious one. Burrow shredded them twice and they fired their defensive coordinator and then offensive coordinator the next year. Mike MacDonald brought in a zone defense that has rattled Burrow ever since and Todd Monken has turned Lamar Jackson into a MVP candidate when he looked like a one trick pony under Greg Roman.

The Browns have had Burrows number ever since he's come into the league. They've built everything through their defense to where Joe Flacco can come in off the couch and run the offense.

The Steelers....not so much. They've been mediocre but honestly as long as they stay in football purgatory all is good.

Point being though, everyone in the division has adjusted to the Bengals. Zac hasn't.

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[Bob Sheed]

Zac Taylor is a players coach. And a pretty darn good one.

I never liked him as an OC though.

This has been a fun season, even post-Burrow. That bill had to come due at some point though.

If the Bengals are smart, they'll draft all defense this off-season and maybe sign a free agent or two on that side of the ball. Yes, Burrow needs weapons, but they can't be paper thin on defense in the AFC North. As we have seen.

[KoryMac5]

I've said this before but after the Super Bowl year teams started making adjustments against the Bengals.

Baltimore was the obvious one. Burrow shredded them twice and they fired their defensive coordinator and then offensive coordinator the next year. Mike MacDonald brought in a zone defense that has rattled Burrow ever since and Todd Monken has turned Lamar Jackson into a MVP candidate when he looked like a one trick pony under Greg Roman.

The Browns have had Burrows number ever since he's come into the league. They've built everything through their defense to where Joe Flacco can come in off the couch and run the offense.

The Steelers....not so much. They've been mediocre but honestly as long as they stay in football purgatory all is good.

Point being though, everyone in the division has adjusted to the Bengals. Zac hasn't.

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Baltimore runs mostly quarters (zone) which is designed to take everything away deep. Macdonald will run three safeties out there and disguise a lot between 3 and 4 man fronts. It reminds me a lot of what Lou was running when we had Bates, Bell and Flowers back there. Its really a confusing defense for a QB to read due to its multiple looks.

It's not true he isn't good against zone though...Burrow's numbers against zone are actually pretty good he was 2nd in the league in completion rate 85.6% before his injury...what kills them is he doesn't take chances like he did year 2. He settles for a 7 yd completion instead of F it Jamar is down there somewhere. They no longer are explosive which means he has to be perfect and without a sustainable run game defenses can T off on him.

Taylor has shown the ability to adjust as his work with Browning to even win 3 games is unreal...they did overhaul the O last year on the fly as well. They need to be willing to draft a TE, another RB, and a lot of help in the trenches.

[LiferJim]

Zac Taylor is a players coach. And a pretty darn good one.

I never liked him as an OC though.

This has been a fun season, even post-Burrow. That bill had to come due at some point though.

If the Bengals are smart, they'll draft all defense this off-season and maybe sign a free agent or two on that side of the ball. Yes, Burrow needs weapons, but they can't be paper thin on defense in the AFC North. As we have seen.

I agree the defense needs strengthened, but so does the offensive line IMO. You also have to be able to run the ball in the AFC North. I’m a firm believer that games are won or lost in the trenches and we have gotten beaten up in the trenches this year. Our rushing attack is dead last in the NFL and that’s a HUGE problem

I also agree that we need an OC.


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[GAC]

Ya'll didn't know how to handle Mason, that's all.... :mooner:

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[Todd Gack]

Baltimore runs mostly quarters (zone) which is designed to take everything away deep. Macdonald will run three safeties out there and disguise a lot between 3 and 4 man fronts. It reminds me a lot of what Lou was running when we had Bates, Bell and Flowers back there. Its really a confusing defense for a QB to read due to its multiple looks.

It's not true he isn't good against zone though...Burrow's numbers against zone are actually pretty good he was 2nd in the league in completion rate 85.6% before his injury...what kills them is he doesn't take chances like he did year 2. He settles for a 7 yd completion instead of F it Jamar is down there somewhere. They no longer are explosive which means he has to be perfect and without a sustainable run game defenses can T off on him.

Taylor has shown the ability to adjust as his work with Browning to even win 3 games is unreal...they did overhaul the O last year on the fly as well. They need to be willing to draft a TE, another RB, and a lot of help in the trenches.


Zac makes adjustments, but he always makes them like 2-3 weeks too late.

[Todd Gack]

Bengals loss moved the current tankathon first round pick from 24th to 17th

At this point, there's no reason to play Jamar these last two games. Play Turner, Brown, Murphy, Yoshi, Jones, Browning, etc as much as possible. Again, I know we're not going to lose on purpose these last two games but we're not going to make any noise in the playoffs even if we do miraculously make it.

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I agree the defense needs strengthened, but so does the offensive line IMO. You also have to be able to run the ball in the AFC North. I’m a firm believer that games are won or lost in the trenches and we have gotten beaten up in the trenches this year. Our rushing attack is dead last in the NFL and that’s a HUGE problem

I also agree that we need an OC.


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Our OL/DL player development has been AWFUL in the Zac Taylor era. Adjustments need made. You can't plan on FA saving you every year especially at those positions.

[KoryMac5]

At this point, there's no reason to play Jamar these last two games. Play Turner, Brown, Murphy, Yoshi, Jones, Browning, etc as much as possible. Again, I know we're not going to lose on purpose these last two games but we're not going to make any noise in the playoffs even if we do miraculously make it.

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Our OL/DL player development has been AWFUL in the Zac Taylor era. Adjustments need made. You can't plan on FA saving you every year especially at those positions.

O line looked totally different when Browning went under center...Volson and co. looked like a different players and their PFF grades back that up. The adjustment that needs to be made is to get Burrow comfortable under center...use the entire offseason if you have to.

Draft a RB and a TE to help

[KoryMac5]

Jessie Bates picked off his 6th pass of the year for the Falcons unreal season for him...

[Dom Heffner]

Bingo. I wasn’t happy with the game plan today, but I’m certainly not ready to send Zac packing.


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They lost two times to the lowly Steelers. It's a Zac Taylor thang.

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Jessie Bates picked off his 6th pass of the year for the Falcons unreal season for him...

so happy he got all that money to be a loser with the Falcons.

[Big Red Smokey]

Ok so not a bad day of results

Browns beat Texans
Colts lose

Really need a Broncos loss.

But if the Browns beat the Jets next week they should be locked into the 5 seed and will probably rest everyone Week 18

[RiverRat13]

Ok so not a bad day of results

Browns beat Texans
Colts lose

Really need a Broncos loss.

But if the Browns beat the Jets next week they should be locked into the 5 seed and will probably rest everyone Week 18

Browns could be playing for a division title if the Ravens lose one of the next two weeks.

[KoryMac5]

They lost two times to the lowly Steelers. It's a Zac Taylor thang.

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so happy he got all that money to be a loser with the Falcons.

NFL players are businessmen they are going to go where the coin is...my point is that we really miss him on defense. His range is unreal and hid a ton of shortcomings on this defense.

[oregonred]

They lost two times to the lowly Steelers. It's a Zac Taylor thang.

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so happy he got all that money to be a loser with the Falcons.

Well Tomlin hasn't had a losing season in 16 years so they do win their share of games in any season and are built for the traditional ugly looking muck of AFC Central and North battles past and present.

Burrow was healthy for 1.5 qtrs of the five division games this year.

[Bob Sheed]

O line looked totally different when Browning went under center...Volson and co. looked like a different players and their PFF grades back that up. The adjustment that needs to be made is to get Burrow comfortable under center...use the entire offseason if you have to.

Draft a RB and a TE to help

Has Burrow ever been comfortable under center, even in college?

[Playadlc]

Ok so not a bad day of results

Browns beat Texans
Colts lose

Really need a Broncos loss.

But if the Browns beat the Jets next week they should be locked into the 5 seed and will probably rest everyone Week 18

Agreed. Bengals are probably in if they win the next two. Tall order I know.

[oregonred]

Does it seem like all the AFC WC contenders outside the AFC North play either the Patsies, Panthers, Chargers, Titans or Raiders each and every week...

[KoryMac5]

Has Burrow ever been comfortable under center, even in college?

Brady actually took over from old friend Matt Canada and went to a spread look with Burrow which had him primarily out of the gun. Lots of quick hit and crossing routes...Burrow said it was the type of offense he had been running since he was 13 or 14.

[Bob Sheed]

Brady actually took over from old friend Matt Canada and went to a spread look with Burrow which had him primarily out of the gun. Lots of quick hit and crossing routes...Burrow said it was the type of offense he had been running since he was 13 or 14.

Yep.

That's the elephant in the room.

What if, the very thing that makes Burrow magical, is getting him killed vs NFL defenses?

[Playadlc]

Bengals had pretty much everything go right for them today.

[oregonred]

Bengals had pretty much everything go right for them today.
Yep, Patriots fans not happy BB trying to leave them a pick outside the top 3 and maybe now top 5 when he leaves Dodge City

[GAC]

Browns could be playing for a division title if the Ravens lose one of the next two weeks.

I've been laid-up the last couple of days with the flu bug, and I actually watched the 2nd half of the Brown's game yesterday. The Browns lose two very important players critical to their offense (Watson, Chubb), and yet they kept chugging right along. Flacco Brown's MVP? And Amari Cooper put on a clinic, catching deep throws with defenders on his back LOL

[Bob Sheed]

I've been laid-up the last couple of days with the flu bug, and I actually watched the 2nd half of the Brown's game yesterday. The Browns lose two very important players critical to their offense (Watson, Chubb), and yet they kept chugging right along. Flacco Brown's MVP? And Amari Cooper put on a clinic, catching deep throws with defenders on his back LOL

I always liked the pre Watson Browns. Since he's been injured, I've been able to root for them again.

Assuming the Bengals come up short, I'd love to see a Browns Lions Super Bowl.

[WVRed]

I always liked the pre Watson Browns. Since he's been injured, I've been able to root for them again.

Assuming the Bengals come up short, I'd love to see a Browns Lions Super Bowl.I actually turned in my Bengal fan card when the Browns came back in 99 and they had taken Tim Couch. Had a Couch jersey and followed them until it was obvious Couch was going to be a bust.

Ive never fully disliked the Browns. Unless they are playing the Bengals I'll pull for them especially if they are playing the Steelers or the Dirty Birds in the playoffs. Have a couple friends who are Browns fans and they are pretty civil when it comes to the Bengals.

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[KoryMac5]

Flacco's success is unreal at this point in his career...fun story that I am watching. Those receivers are not going to want to have Watson come back next season the way things are going for the Browns.

[Playadlc]

If Pitt finishes 0-2 and Denver 1-1 (which isn't out of the realm of possibility) there are a few scenarios 9-8 will get us in. Really depends on how the South finishes. We hold tie-breakers over the Jags and Colts.

[Roy Tucker]

I always liked the pre Watson Browns. Since he's been injured, I've been able to root for them again.

Assuming the Bengals come up short, I'd love to see a Browns Lions Super Bowl.

Shades of 1957.

[oregonred]

Flacco's success is unreal at this point in his career...fun story that I am watching. Those receivers are not going to want to have Watson come back next season the way things are going for the Browns.

Yea but barely beating the slumping Jags with Lawrence coming off the MNF injury, miracle comeback and luck against the Bears and a CJ Stroud less Texans dome team at home in late Dec.

3-0 but pretty meh competition so far

[Playadlc]

Raiders losing doesn't help Cincinnati.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Raiders losing doesn't help Cincinnati.

Oh , yes, it would have !!! We needed the Raiders to lose that game. KC losing actually dealt a pretty crushing blow to our playoff hopes. I'll explain if anyone wants me to go through it all.

[oregonred]

Breaking news Dom Heffner has fired Andy Reid for losing a 3rd straight home game against a divisonal backup QB foe.

[Bob Sheed]

Shades of 1957.

Shades of Dick LeBeau.

[Playadlc]

Oh , yes, it would have !!! We needed the Raiders to lose that game. KC losing actually dealt a pretty crushing blow to our playoff hopes. I'll explain if anyone wants me to go through it all.

You're right. I actually said that wrong. Meant to say Raiders winning hurts Cincinnati.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

You're right. I actually said that wrong. Meant to say Raiders winning hurts Cincinnati.

Basically means, if we win one of two, we now have to hope the Raiders lose a game, in addition to the Steelers losing two, the Broncos losing one, and JAX losing one. If the Raiders had lost today, they are out of the way.

[WVRed]

Raiders losing doesn't help Cincinnati.It doesn't but I actually feel pretty good about the Bengals going into KC next week. The Chiefs are imploding and Pacheco is in the concussion protocol.

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[oregonred]

It doesn't but I actually feel pretty good about the Bengals going into KC next week. The Chiefs are imploding and Pacheco is in the concussion protocol.

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Unless KC follows the so-called Steelers protocol

[WVRed]

Unless KC follows the so-called Steelers protocolYou spelled Dolphins wrong.

As dirty as the Steelers are I don't ever remember them rushing players back from a concussion.

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[Ky Fried Redleg]

It doesn't but I actually feel pretty good about the Bengals going into KC next week. The Chiefs are imploding and Pacheco is in the concussion protocol.

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Raiders winning today did do some damage to the Bengals playoff hopes.

[The Operator]

It figures that one of the only years where they Chiefs don’t waltz to home field advantage is a down year with a Burrow injury for The Bengals.


Such is life.

[Boss-Hog]

Raiders winning today did do some damage to the Bengals playoff hopes.Only if you hoped the Bengals were going to get in winning one of the remaining two instead of both, right?

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Only if you hoped the Bengals were going to get in winning one of the remaining two instead of both, right?

That's correct, sir. The Raiders win didn't affect our chances under the scenario where we win out. However, under the scenario where we just win one of two, now we have the Raiders to worry about. Instead of just needing two Steelers losses , 1 Jag loss, and one Broncos loss, now we need two Steelers losses, 1 Jag loss, 1 Broncos loss, AND 1 Raiders loss. and a partridge in a pear tree. The Raiders' win today basically means we need them to lose next week at Indy and win over Denver in Vegas in Week 18, along with getting the Steelers losses and a Jacksonville loss. If the Raiders had lost today, they would be out of our way.

[Fil3232]

Breaking news Dom Heffner has fired Andy Reid for losing a 3rd straight home game against a divisonal backup QB foe.

Unfortunately, it’s doesn’t end there. Tough business but Shane Steichen is gone (loses to ATL and Heinicke) and DeMeco Ryans (Browns and Flacco) are gone too. Were each having good rookie campaigns too.

[Big Red Smokey]

Just like Steelers this week, facing Chiefs worst possible time. Gonna hear all week how they're done and dusted. And they'll magically fix everything next week.

[Fil3232]

Bengals are 0-5 vs AFC North, 8-2 vs rest of the NFL. If the MNF score holds, the Niners will be 1-3 vs AFC North, 10-1 vs everyone else. And they are the darlings of the league.

The North is just really freaking tough. Usually is.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Bengals are 0-5 vs AFC North, 8-2 vs rest of the NFL. If the MNF score holds, the Niners will be 1-3 vs AFC North, 10-1 vs everyone else. And they are the darlings of the league.

The North is just really freaking tough. Usually is.

It's possible, though not likely, that the Bengals could go 0 -6 in their division and still make the playoffs. WOW!!!

[Big Red Smokey]

So one more Ravens win and the Browns are locked into 5 seed. As beat up as they are, I could see them resting Flacco, Cooper, Njoku, Garrett Week 18

[oregonred]

Unfortunately, it’s doesn’t end there. Tough business but Shane Steichen is gone (loses to ATL and Heinicke) and DeMeco Ryans (Browns and Flacco) are gone too. Were each having good rookie campaigns too.
Good thing for Sean McDermott that the Bills pulled out a last second win against a backup QB, backup head coach and backup GM. Close call on another Heffner Pink Slip :)

[bucksfan2]

I was disappointed in the game on Sat, but it wasn't all that unexpected. The Steelers D had Browning rattled all game. The INT in the endzone was a terrible throw and pretty much stemmed all momentum the team had.

The defense played poor, the Pickens TD to open the game was bad tackling and angles. That stuff happens over the course of a season.

Going into the game, I think you could make an argument that the Bengals were missing their top 4 players, Burrow, Chase, Reeder, and CTB.

One thing I was wondering about watching the game. Both Dax Hill and DJ Turner went to Michigan and were high picks. Did the sign steeling done by Michigan elevate their draft stock? Dax Hill was a pretty highly rated recruit, and DJ Turner is FAST, but they both have been pretty meh in their roles this season. I had high hopes for Dax Hill replacing Bell or Bates, but he just hasn't been getting the job done.

[Sea Ray]

Zac Taylor is a players coach. And a pretty darn good one.

I never liked him as an OC though.

This has been a fun season, even post-Burrow. That bill had to come due at some point though.

If the Bengals are smart, they'll draft all defense this off-season and maybe sign a free agent or two on that side of the ball. Yes, Burrow needs weapons, but they can't be paper thin on defense in the AFC North. As we have seen.

Defense has been the most disappointing part of this team. It’s the reason they’re not going to the playoffs

As for drafting defense, that’s exactly what they’ve done the past two drafts and Cam Taylor Britt is about all they have to show for it. They need to either draft better or coach them better…kinda like the offensive line


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[KoryMac5]

I was disappointed in the game on Sat, but it wasn't all that unexpected. The Steelers D had Browning rattled all game. The INT in the endzone was a terrible throw and pretty much stemmed all momentum the team had.

The defense played poor, the Pickens TD to open the game was bad tackling and angles. That stuff happens over the course of a season.

Going into the game, I think you could make an argument that the Bengals were missing their top 4 players, Burrow, Chase, Reeder, and CTB.

One thing I was wondering about watching the game. Both Dax Hill and DJ Turner went to Michigan and were high picks. Did the sign steeling done by Michigan elevate their draft stock? Dax Hill was a pretty highly rated recruit, and DJ Turner is FAST, but they both have been pretty meh in their roles this season. I had high hopes for Dax Hill replacing Bell or Bates, but he just hasn't been getting the job done.

Lou asks a lot from the secondary...it took Bates and Bell a solid year and a half to become the tandem they were for us. They (Hill and Turner) are getting exposed but these reps they are getting now will be important heading into next season.

The growing pains are tough Hill taking the wrong line to tackle Pickens was hard to watch...they should get CTB back this week which will move Turner back into a rotation.

[bucksfan2]

Lou asks a lot from the secondary...it took Bates and Bell a solid year and a half to become the tandem they were for us. They (Hill and Turner) are getting exposed but these reps they are getting now will be important heading into next season.

The growing pains are tough Hill taking the wrong line to tackle Pickens was hard to watch...they should get CTB back this week which will move Turner back into a rotation.

And I am fine with this. In a capped league where players often fall off a cliff quickly, you have to be smart in handing out 2nd and 3rd contracts. Dax Hill was drafted to replace Bates, that makes sense, its the nature of college football. Vonn Bell has played in the league for over a decade, you don't want to invest a ton of money in that guy, because the decline is rapid.

We will see what happens with Hill, Turner, and for a lesser extent Miles Murphy, are they going to be the next generation of starters in Cincinnati, or will the Bengals have to address that position going forward.

[WVRed]

And I am fine with this. In a capped league where players often fall off a cliff quickly, you have to be smart in handing out 2nd and 3rd contracts. Dax Hill was drafted to replace Bates, that makes sense, its the nature of college football. Vonn Bell has played in the league for over a decade, you don't want to invest a ton of money in that guy, because the decline is rapid.

We will see what happens with Hill, Turner, and for a lesser extent Miles Murphy, are they going to be the next generation of starters in Cincinnati, or will the Bengals have to address that position going forward.This is kinda why I want the Bengals to keep investing in defense in the upcoming draft. Namely Jerzahn Newton if he's available. They need someone to take Readers place next season or even BJ Hills.





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[The Operator]

One thing I was wondering about watching the game. Both Dax Hill and DJ Turner went to Michigan and were high picks. Did the sign steeling done by Michigan elevate their draft stock? Dax Hill was a pretty highly rated recruit, and DJ Turner is FAST, but they both have been pretty meh in their roles this season. I had high hopes for Dax Hill replacing Bell or Bates, but he just hasn't been getting the job done.

I’m sure it only helped their draft stock if you think that knowing the exact play that’s coming would help a defender play defense. :)


In all seriousness, yes. And I wonder if that may affect the draft stock of a number of guys currently on Michigan’s roster. We all saw how much more human JJ McCarthy looked after the scandal broke.

[oregonred]

Defense has been the most disappointing part of this team. It’s the reason they’re not going to the playoffs

As for drafting defense, that’s exactly what they’ve done the past two drafts and Cam Taylor Britt is about all they have to show for it. They need to either draft better or coach them better…kinda like the offensive line


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Jordan Battle has been excellent and is a full time starter. He has posted several 70 and 80+ PFF games.

Above average player already. Currently NFL's best rookie run defender per PFF at 88.5 and finding a source but looks to be #10 of 97 for NFL safeties this season.

Great pick in the 3rd round

[GAC]

If the AFC Central and AFC South traded last place teams, the 8-7 Bengals would be tied for 1st place.

[Todd Gack]

I was disappointed in the game on Sat, but it wasn't all that unexpected. The Steelers D had Browning rattled all game. The INT in the endzone was a terrible throw and pretty much stemmed all momentum the team had.

The defense played poor, the Pickens TD to open the game was bad tackling and angles. That stuff happens over the course of a season.

Going into the game, I think you could make an argument that the Bengals were missing their top 4 players, Burrow, Chase, Reeder, and CTB.

One thing I was wondering about watching the game. Both Dax Hill and DJ Turner went to Michigan and were high picks. Did the sign steeling done by Michigan elevate their draft stock? Dax Hill was a pretty highly rated recruit, and DJ Turner is FAST, but they both have been pretty meh in their roles this season. I had high hopes for Dax Hill replacing Bell or Bates, but he just hasn't been getting the job done.

I actually think Turner has been solid. Yes, he's been picked on but I almost feel like he's had excellent coverage on a lot of completed passes. I think he'll make a big jump next year. Cornerback is the easiest position to learn in the NFL but it's the hardest to play. I have confidence in him.

As for Dax, he's been "meh" at best. I'm not giving up on him but next year is HUGE for him. Battle will be fine. I like him.

[oregonred]

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[Todd Gack]

The AFC North is the best division in football. The 49ers went 1-3 against the North and will probably be the 1 seed in the NFC. I think our coaching staff needed a "correction" year after the last two years. Teams have caught up with us and we've gotten away with some holes/mismanagement on our roster. Not to mention, the parity in the league is insane. This year is as wide as the window will have ever been but we've been medicore for many reasons. Next year, our window starts to narrow. I'm not saying we have to go "All In" next year but we better address IDL, TE, and shore up our OL and depth. I'm sure we will in FA but I wouldn't wait until the draft to do it.

[oregonred]

I largely agree with this post. The AFC North built to stop Lamar then Burrow the last couple of seasons. Now will be back to stopping Lamar again.

The Ravens have a chance for the first AFC North bye in 10+ years. Crazy competitive division with (unfortunately) two of the most consistent and best run franchises in the league in Baltimore and Pittsburgh... Brady isn't winning six rings if he wasn't in possibly the worst 20 year division for qb play in history
racking up #1 and 2 seeds year in and year out.

[bucksfan2]

I’m sure it only helped their draft stock if you think that knowing the exact play that’s coming would help a defender play defense. :)


In all seriousness, yes. And I wonder if that may affect the draft stock of a number of guys currently on Michigan’s roster. We all saw how much more human JJ McCarthy looked after the scandal broke.

Dax Hill was a 5* safety coming out of HS, and had a pretty good college career. But this made me wonder, and its not to bring up what is happening at Michigan here, but more so what impact this had on players drafted. We are not talking about Dax Hill as a guy who was a fringe NFL player who all of a sudden rocketed into a 1st rounder. But what about a guy who was a 3rd-4th rounder who all of a sudden upped his draft stock to a 1st rounder. Doesn't mean he can't be a successful NFL player, but did his tape lie?

I remember expecting something out of him last year, but he was pretty meh, then this year when you expected him to take off, not so much. As for Jordan Battle, he may be a long term answer at one of the S spots.

[oregonred]

Forgot the Ravens #1 seed in 2019. Before that it goes all the way back to the 2004 Steelers. Consistently tough division each and every year. Now crazy since the Browns woke up a few years ago.

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There is no may with Battle. He is a home run rookie starter already.

[WVRed]

Dax Hill was a 5* safety coming out of HS, and had a pretty good college career. But this made me wonder, and its not to bring up what is happening at Michigan here, but more so what impact this had on players drafted. We are not talking about Dax Hill as a guy who was a fringe NFL player who all of a sudden rocketed into a 1st rounder. But what about a guy who was a 3rd-4th rounder who all of a sudden upped his draft stock to a 1st rounder. Doesn't mean he can't be a successful NFL player, but did his tape lie?

I remember expecting something out of him last year, but he was pretty meh, then this year when you expected him to take off, not so much. As for Jordan Battle, he may be a long term answer at one of the S spots.You could literally go through the entire NFL roster and ask the same question about Michigan.

Aidan Hutchinson seems to be doing just fine though.

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[oregonred]

One thing for sure is Robbins is awful sign cheating or not.

Amazing the Bengals can't seem to upgrade punter position to league average. Seems every game field position changes once or twice due to Bengals poor punting and opponents punting being league average or better...

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You could literally go through the entire NFL roster and ask the same question about Michigan.

Aidan Hutchinson seems to be doing just fine though.

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Looks like the Bengals got burned on Dax. Sign stealing knowing if a run or pass was coming would make a college safety look way better than most positions.

[moewan]

One thing for sure is Robbins is awful sign cheating or not.

Amazing the Bengals can't seem to upgrade punter position to league average. Seems every game field position changes once or twice due to Bengals poor punting and opponents punting being league average or better...

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Looks like the Bengals got burned on Dax. Sign stealing knowing if a run or pass was coming would make a college safety look way better than most positions.

Robbins is terrible, makes us miss Huber, who was our MVP for so many seasons

[WVRed]

Sounds like Burrow is headed to koo koo territory:

https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-bengals-joe-burrow-aliens-social-media/46238279

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[pedro]

Sounds like Burrow is headed to koo koo territory:

https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-bengals-joe-burrow-aliens-social-media/46238279

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Maybe I’m off base but this seems to me like Burrow trying to take pressure off his teammates.


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[Dom Heffner]

I largely agree with this post. The AFC North built to stop Lamar then Burrow the last couple of seasons. Now will be back to stopping Lamar again.

The Ravens have a chance for the first AFC North bye in 10+ years. Crazy competitive division with (unfortunately) two of the most consistent and best run franchises in the league in Baltimore and Pittsburgh... Brady isn't winning six rings if he wasn't in possibly the worst 20 year division for qb play in history
racking up #1 and 2 seeds year in and year out.

From 2003 to 2019ish-

Patriots were 71 and 19 (.788) against AFC East teams. They were 118 and 32 (.786) against teams outside the AFC East.

Sort of the end of the discussion.

[LiferJim]

I largely agree with this post. The AFC North built to stop Lamar then Burrow the last couple of seasons. Now will be back to stopping Lamar again.

The Ravens have a chance for the first AFC North bye in 10+ years. Crazy competitive division with (unfortunately) two of the most consistent and best run franchises in the league in Baltimore and Pittsburgh... Brady isn't winning six rings if he wasn't in possibly the worst 20 year division for qb play in history
racking up #1 and 2 seeds year in and year out.

I agree. That division Brady got to play in was beyond pathetic. So what if he had a good record against teams out of his division, had he played in a tougher division like the AFC north, he would have likely have gotten hurt more often. Therefore he would have probably missed more games and not always played at home during those Super Bowl runs. He was obviously a great quarterback, but there is no denying that division was a cakewalk to play in.


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[Ky Fried Redleg]

Okay, after consuming a lot of holiday food and a considerable quantity of holiday spirits, I set out to determine the paths that will get our beloved Bengals into the playoffs. I might be drunk and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but, by gosh, I knew that all of that money mom and dad spent on a mathematics degree would pay off someday. Here goes:

The clearest path is to win out. If we win out,. we get in the playoffs if any of the following five scenarios happen:

1. A Jags loss AND a Steelers loss ;

2. A Texans loss AND a Steelers loss;

3. A Bills loss AND a Steelers loss ;

4. A Bills loss AND a Jags loss ;

5. A Bills loss , a Colts loss, AND a Texans loss

If we lose to the Chiefs and beat the Browns, we get in the playoffs under any of the following eight scenarios(note that five of these eight require the Bills to lose out) :

1. Steelers lose out , EXACTLY ONE Jags win(must go 1-1) , a Raiders loss , AND a Broncos loss [Easiest path of these eight , imo]

2. Steelers lose out , Jags win out , Texans lose to Titans and win over Colts , a Raiders loss , AND a Broncos loss. [Next easiest, imo]

3. Steelers lose out , Jags win out , Texans win over Titans and lose to Colts, Raiders win over Colts , a Broncos loss , AND Bills lose out

4. Steelers lose out , Texans lose out, Bills lose out , AND a Broncos loss

5. Steelers lose out , Texans win out , Bills lose out

6. Steelers lose out, Jags lose out , Texans win out OR lose out , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss

7. Steelers lose out , Jags lose out , Bills lose out , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss

8. Steelers lose out , Bills lose out , AND either a Jags , Texans, or Colts loss


NOTE: There are ways we can get in without the Steelers losing twice but ALL of those scenarios require TWO Bills losses , among other things. For example, TWO Bills losses, TWO Steelers wins, EXACTLY ONE Jags win , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss would get us in . I doubt the Bill lose to the Pats AND the Steelers beat the Ravens, so this scenario is very unlikely, imo. Scenarios where the Steelers win one of their last two also require the Bills losing out but are just as unlikely, or maybe more unlikely , than the scenario above where the Steelers win their two games.

In conclusion, if we win out , we are very likely gonna be in the playoffs . If we lose to the Chiefs and beat the Browns, our best chances for getting in will be scenario #1 or #2 listed above.


We can get in the playoffs by beating the Chiefs and losing to the Browns, as well, but let's don't cross that bridge until we see we have our win at Arrowhead!

Have a happy and blessed 2024 , Redzoners !!!

[Ky Fried Redleg]

Okay, after consuming a lot of holiday food and a considerable quantity of holiday spirits, I set out to determine the paths that will get our beloved Bengals into the playoffs. I might be drunk and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but, by gosh, I knew that all of that money mom and dad spent on a mathematics degree would pay off someday. Here goes:

The clearest path is to win out. If we win out,. we get in the playoffs if any of the following five scenarios happen:

1. A Jags loss AND a Steelers loss ;

2. A Texans loss AND a Steelers loss;

3. A Bills loss AND a Steelers loss ;

4. A Bills loss AND a Jags loss ;

5. A Bills loss , a Colts loss, AND a Texans loss

If we lose to the Chiefs and beat the Browns, we get in the playoffs under any of the following eight scenarios(note that five of these eight require the Bills to lose out) :

1. Steelers lose out , EXACTLY ONE Jags win(must go 1-1) , a Raiders loss , AND a Broncos loss [Easiest path of these eight , imo]

2. Steelers lose out , Jags win out , Texans lose to Titans and win over Colts , a Raiders loss , AND a Broncos loss. [Next easiest, imo]

3. Steelers lose out , Jags win out , Texans win over Titans and lose to Colts, Raiders win over Colts , a Broncos loss , AND Bills lose out

4. Steelers lose out , Texans lose out, Bills lose out , AND a Broncos loss

5. Steelers lose out , Texans win out , Bills lose out

6. Steelers lose out, Jags lose out , Texans win out OR lose out , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss

7. Steelers lose out , Jags lose out , Bills lose out , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss

8. Steelers lose out , Bills lose out , AND either a Jags , Texans, or Colts loss


NOTE: There are ways we can get in without the Steelers losing twice but ALL of those scenarios require TWO Bills losses , among other things. For example, TWO Bills losses, TWO Steelers wins, EXACTLY ONE Jags win , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss would get us in . I doubt the Bill lose to the Pats AND the Steelers beat the Ravens, so this scenario is very unlikely, imo. Scenarios where the Steelers win one of their last two also require the Bills losing out but are just as unlikely, or maybe more unlikely , than the scenario above where the Steelers win their two games.

In conclusion, if we win out , we are very likely gonna be in the playoffs . If we lose to the Chiefs and beat the Browns, our best chances for getting in will be scenario #1 or #2 listed above.


We can get in the playoffs by beating the Chiefs and losing to the Browns, as well, but let's don't cross that bridge until we see we have our win at Arrowhead!

Have a happy and blessed 2024 , Redzoners !!!



In scenario #8 above, I left out "a Raiders loss AND a Broncos loss." That is needed, as well.

[Big Red Smokey]

Yeah, the best case scenario is Bengals and Ravens win this week. With as beat up as the Browns are and them being locked into the 5 seed at that point, I don't see any of their main guys playing Week 18.

No Trevor Lawrence this week and the Panthers are showing some signs. If the Texans can somehow win the AFC South that helps us out as well. Really need the Seahawks to take care of business. If the Steelers don't lose they are DOA. And if the Ravens and Steelers win, the Ravens probably won't be playing anyone next week since they'll have the 1 seed locked up.

[Big Red Smokey]

https://x.com/autyelmore/status/1741467757319696601?s=20

[Big Red Smokey]

Well they've gotten zero help in early games other then Baltimore cruising. If Pittsburgh beats Seattle the odds become very long

[Big Red Smokey]

So according to the ESPN Playoff Machine. if these scores hold and the Seahawks and Bengals win, the Bengals will be the 7 seed heading into Week 18.

But looks like next week they will need the Colts to beat the Texans in order to get in assuming the Jaguars beat the Titans.

[Bob Sheed]

I don't have a good feeling about today's game at all.

Bengals have trouble covering TEs.
NFL has plenty of tape on Browning now. He looks figured out, too.
If they can't contain Pittsburgh's 3rd string QB, I don't see them doing much better against State Farm Pat.

If they are down 2 TDs or more, I'm bailing at halftime. I don't think I can take another week of the endless State Farm commercials. And the game is at Arrowhead too. All that red starts to burn my eyes after a while, and the commercials don't even give me a break from it any more.

[Big Red Smokey]

Yeah, the only thing that gives me hope is they are 8-2 outside the AFC North and 0-5 inside of it.

And Kelce needs to keep looking 34 years old

[Roy Tucker]

Okay, after consuming a lot of holiday food and a considerable quantity of holiday spirits, I set out to determine the paths that will get our beloved Bengals into the playoffs. I might be drunk and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but, by gosh, I knew that all of that money mom and dad spent on a mathematics degree would pay off someday. Here goes:

The clearest path is to win out. If we win out,. we get in the playoffs if any of the following five scenarios happen:

1. A Jags loss AND a Steelers loss ;

2. A Texans loss AND a Steelers loss;

3. A Bills loss AND a Steelers loss ;

4. A Bills loss AND a Jags loss ;

5. A Bills loss , a Colts loss, AND a Texans loss

If we lose to the Chiefs and beat the Browns, we get in the playoffs under any of the following eight scenarios(note that five of these eight require the Bills to lose out) :

1. Steelers lose out , EXACTLY ONE Jags win(must go 1-1) , a Raiders loss , AND a Broncos loss [Easiest path of these eight , imo]

2. Steelers lose out , Jags win out , Texans lose to Titans and win over Colts , a Raiders loss , AND a Broncos loss. [Next easiest, imo]

3. Steelers lose out , Jags win out , Texans win over Titans and lose to Colts, Raiders win over Colts , a Broncos loss , AND Bills lose out

4. Steelers lose out , Texans lose out, Bills lose out , AND a Broncos loss

5. Steelers lose out , Texans win out , Bills lose out

6. Steelers lose out, Jags lose out , Texans win out OR lose out , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss

7. Steelers lose out , Jags lose out , Bills lose out , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss

8. Steelers lose out , Bills lose out , AND either a Jags , Texans, or Colts loss


NOTE: There are ways we can get in without the Steelers losing twice but ALL of those scenarios require TWO Bills losses , among other things. For example, TWO Bills losses, TWO Steelers wins, EXACTLY ONE Jags win , a Raiders loss, AND a Broncos loss would get us in . I doubt the Bill lose to the Pats AND the Steelers beat the Ravens, so this scenario is very unlikely, imo. Scenarios where the Steelers win one of their last two also require the Bills losing out but are just as unlikely, or maybe more unlikely , than the scenario above where the Steelers win their two games.

In conclusion, if we win out , we are very likely gonna be in the playoffs . If we lose to the Chiefs and beat the Browns, our best chances for getting in will be scenario #1 or #2 listed above.


We can get in the playoffs by beating the Chiefs and losing to the Browns, as well, but let's don't cross that bridge until we see we have our win at Arrowhead!

Have a happy and blessed 2024 , Redzoners !!!

I am impressed you documented all this. I don’t have that diligence. I just wait for the games to be played and see what the computer spits out. It usually gets a bit wacky and some team gets in and I say how the f did they get in the playoffs.

[Todd Gack]

Great job by brown turning a 3 yard loss into a no gain.

[The Operator]

Bengals start with a nice, time eating drive but unfortunately stalls out. Evan gets us points though.


3-0 Bengals

[KoryMac5]

BS call on Volson...he looked about 2 yds downfield.

[Big Red Smokey]

Ok. Good drive. Steelers unfortunately take the lead on Seattle.

[KoryMac5]

2nd time in franchise history that the Bengals have started the same O line for 16 games...

[The Operator]

Tony Romo is already on my last nerve.

[Todd Gack]

Ugggh. . .Dax

[Big Red Smokey]

Dax Hill continues to get exposed. Man

[The Operator]

Secondary is such trash.

[Big Red Smokey]

Yeah, this defense just isn't good enough. They weren't good enough with Reader and they're really not good enough now.

[The Operator]

Well that was quick.


We all knew the struggling Chiefs would get healthy on this Bengals defense, but wow.



7-3 Chiefs

[Big Red Smokey]

Linebackers got paid and got fat and lazy. What was Logan Wilson looking at there?

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Just like Steelers this week, facing Chiefs worst possible time. Gonna hear all week how they're done and dusted. And they'll magically fix everything next week.

Yep

[Roy Tucker]

Letting both starting safeties go continues to haunt.

Interesting the Chiefs brought back a play from 2018.

[Hillsdale87]

Yeah, this defense just isn't good enough. They weren't good enough with Reader and they're really not good enough now.

They're so so bad. Pratt and CTB following the same guy and leaving Pacheco wide open. So many coaching and preparation errors that don't make sense.


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[KoryMac5]

Letting Bates walk was huge...as was losing Reader

[Big Red Smokey]

Also, Jake Browning is gonna make mistakes but he's been a damn fine backup QB. Dude is gutsy. Laying that block on Reid opened that play up

[KoryMac5]

Did not realize both of Chase's shoulders had sprains...the pain tolerance of these players is unreal to me.

[Big Red Smokey]

And Higgins is hurt apparently

[Todd Gack]

And Higgins is hurt apparently

Of course he is.

[Roy Tucker]

Bengals best defense has been the offense chewing up the clock.

[Todd Gack]

Drew Sample has now moved from our 6th best OL to a solid NFL backup TE in my book.

[The Operator]

Mixon!!

The offense definitely showed up.

[Big Red Smokey]

Another great drive. Unfortunately that means defense back on the field

[The Operator]

PAT is good


10-7 Bengals

[KoryMac5]

Hamstring injury popped up again for Higgins they are so tough to come back from...Watson in GB has been dealing with his for multiple weeks during different times this season.

[Playadlc]

And Higgins is hurt apparently

Just absolutely no way should the Bengals resign him. He is never on the field.

[The Operator]

Fumble!!!!

[KoryMac5]

Just absolutely no way should the Bengals resign him. He is never on the field.

I still think they tag him...

Bengals have switched fully to a 4-3 now...Trey with huge pressure.

[Playadlc]

Let's go!!!!!

[Big Red Smokey]

Trey! Come on!!!!

[Sea Ray]

Fumble!!!!

Our ball!

[Big Red Smokey]

And 14-10 Seahawks

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And Fight. Sneed should be kicked out

[The Operator]

And here we go.

Just shut up, Chase.

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How was Sneed not called on that?

[Sea Ray]

And here we go.

Just shut up, Chase.

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How was Sneed not called on that?

He was

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We need 7

[Roy Tucker]

Mixon doesn’t know how to run wide.

[Todd Gack]

We better score a TD on this drive.

[Roy Tucker]

Don’t know how that was offsetting penalties. Sneed instigated the whole thing.

[The Operator]

Mixon doesn’t know how to run wide.

Jet sweeps should be more of a Chase Brown thing, imo.

[Sea Ray]

Hell yeah that's PI!

[Big Red Smokey]

Jake browning!

17-7

[The Operator]

Browning!!! Bengals take a 2-score lead!!!

[Roy Tucker]

Browning is a gamer.

[The Operator]

PAT is good


17-7 Bengals

[KoryMac5]

Romo was spot on I thought Browning was going to get killed there was able to slow up just enough to get in...

[Sea Ray]

If nothing else Browning is tough. No doubt about that

[RiverRat13]

Didn't like either play action fake there on 2nd and 3rd. Pretty fortunate the Chiefs went for the kill shot on Browning instead of just wrapping him up as he stopped well short of the goal line. But I'll take the touchdown!

[Sea Ray]

It's early but so far the game's going the Bengals' way

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How was that not a block in the back???

[The Operator]

These guys are so bad at tackling.

[Big Red Smokey]

How do you miss that block in the back?

[Todd Gack]

I don't know why the Chiefs don't just run on every down.

[Roy Tucker]

Taylor spotting #1

[Sea Ray]

A Taylor sighting...

[Big Red Smokey]

17-10. Good hold I guess

[The Operator]

Hey look everyone! Taylor Swift!!!


Bengals rally to force a FG.


17-10 Bengals

[Sea Ray]

17-10. Good hold I guess

This game (and year) is all about the defense, not the offense or Joe Burrow's availability. Can the defense hold up?

[Big Red Smokey]

Cannot afford a 3 and out here. Don't care if you don't get points but you can't give them the ball back now and then they get it after halftime

[KoryMac5]

Browning has to be careful...

[Big Red Smokey]

And we're now in the danger zone.

Another terrible punt by Robbins. Incredible they don't want to make midseason trades cause they treat draft picks like gold and then waste picks on a punter who can't punt.

[The Operator]

Ugh.


3 & out after Hudson drops an easy first down.

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Absolutely have to have a better punter next year.

[oregonred]

Hudson drop on an amazing 3rd down throw by Downtown Jake. Then predictable Robbins 35 yd punt that bounces a few extra. Wow is he terrible.

[RiverRat13]

Hudson has played so well but that was a bad drop on a really good throw by Browning.

[Todd Gack]

Ugh.


3 & out after Hudson drops an easy first down.

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Absolutely have to have a better punter next year.

There's definitely got to be an Open Competition for Punter.

And Brad Robbins shouldn't even be part of it.

[Roy Tucker]

Ugh.


3 & out after Hudson drops an easy first down.

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Absolutely have to have a better punter next year.

Agree about the punter. He was good in college but something happened to him in the pros.

[Todd Gack]

I don't know why the Chiefs don't just run on every down.

[The Operator]

Jesus.

[Big Red Smokey]

Reid shouldn't call another pass the rest of the game. Absolutely embarrassing.

[Roy Tucker]

Bengals safeties are just bad. They need replaced next year.

[KoryMac5]

Man MVS was gone...luckily he does what he does best and dropped it.

[The Operator]

Chiefs gift us with a drop, defense holds them to 3.


17-13

[The Operator]

Stupid decision running the ball there. Oh well.


17-13 Bengals at the half


Chiefs receive the second half kickoff

[oregonred]

Bengals safeties are just bad. They need replaced next year.

Battle is already an above average safety and great against the run. Dax on the other hand. Need Connor Stallions to give him the pre snap play calls?

[Playadlc]

41 plays to 19.

If the Bengals could get a 3 and out to start this half, we could really start wearing KC down.

[Playadlc]

Huge!

[The Operator]

3 & out!!!!


Just what the doctor ordered

[Big Red Smokey]

3 and out? What's that?

[Playadlc]

So that's what it's like to have a good punter.

[Roy Tucker]

Nice hold.

[WVRed]

Ugh, unbelievable.

Just take the points.

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[The Operator]

What the hell was Zac thinking?


That’s not Jerome Bettis, that’s slow Joe Mixon.



Stupid stupid stupid.

[Roy Tucker]

Ahhh. The right call but the line got defeated. Rats.

[Todd Gack]

Was hoping they'd run left. . .

[Sea Ray]

Who here thought we could run it there?

Me neither

Zack overestimates his O line


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[The Operator]

Who here thought we could run it there?

Me neither

Zack overestimates his O line


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He’s also under the delusion that Mixon is an effective short yardage back. He’s not.

[Todd Gack]

What the hell was Zac thinking?


That’s not Jerome Bettis, that’s slow Joe Mixon.



Stupid stupid stupid.

I'm glad they went for it. I just thought the call was way too conservative.

[KoryMac5]

Yeah I like the thought to go but man you got to be a bot more creative...roll Browning out etc...

[Sea Ray]

He’s also under the delusion that Mixon is an effective short yardage back. He’s not.

That was on the O line. Not Mixon


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[The Operator]

Momentum swinging big time.

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Here come the comedy of flags.

[Big Red Smokey]

Both those penalties were legit. I'm Captain of the Chiefs Officiating BS but yeah... How are these dudes so wide open.

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There we go Hilton. Great tackle

[Todd Gack]

No idea why KC has went away from the run so much.

[The Operator]

They somehow hold it to 3, but that’s 9 unanswered from KC.


17-16

[oregonred]

He’s also under the delusion that Mixon is an effective short yardage back. He’s not.

Barry Sanders loses 3 yards on that 4th down play

[Todd Gack]

Is Chase Brown still on this roster?

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Is Chase Brown still on this roster?

Don't worry Zac, I've been begging for this guy to get the ball all year and yet you're somehow in love with Joe.

[Roy Tucker]

Browning has a really nice touch on screens.

[The Operator]

Welp.

[Roy Tucker]

Browning got roughed.

[Big Red Smokey]

Thank you Richie James. Robbins is sooooooooo bad

[Todd Gack]

Browning got roughed.

We've seen a lot worse called. If that were Mahomes, they would've called it.

[The Operator]

Chiefs punt returner almost makes a big boo boo but manages to get it out of the end zone.


Pinned them back well. Hope the D has a stop in them.

[oregonred]

Robbins booms it... into the end zone

[The Operator]

My god this secondary is garbage. Just garbage.

[Big Red Smokey]

The defense strikes again. Embarrassing. What in the world was that?

[Todd Gack]

CTB acted like he had help over hte top.

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Battle is a player. We need to keep him. Dax has 1 more year to prove himself.

[Roy Tucker]

CTB acted like he had help over hte top.

There was nobody at all over there.

[oregonred]

Mahomes is going to put up points. Especially when flags now only going one way

[The Operator]

The defense strikes again. Embarrassing. What in the world was that?

Going against one of the worst receiving corps in the game and we’re making them look like Tyreke/Waddle.

[oregonred]

Going against one of the worst receiving corps in the game and we’re making them look like Tyreke/Waddle.

I hear the KC QB is decent though

[Big Red Smokey]

Well Geno just got sack/fumbled. Steelers about to go up 14. Season hanging in the balance

[Todd Gack]

There was nobody at all over there.

Either that was just awful coverage by CTB or terrible miscommunication. He was so lackadaisical in trying to regroup after getting beat.

[Roy Tucker]

Bengals play good red zone defense.

[The Operator]

They somehow rally to hold it to a FG, but that’s now 12 unanswered from KC.

19-17 Chiefs


Offense better wake up

[Todd Gack]

Bengals play good red zone defense.

We were 12th in the NFL heading into this game in Redzone defense (% of TD's allowed).

Cleveland is surprisingly 29th.

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I honestly don't know how we score again. KC's defense has adjusted. We have not.

[Big Red Smokey]

Chiefs averaging 9.1 yards per play

[The Operator]

Welp.


The game definitely turned on that stupid 4th and goal play.


Momentum is 100% with the Chiefs.

[Roy Tucker]

Welp.


The game definitely turned on that stupid 4th and goal play.


Momentum is 100% with the Chiefs.

The fickle finger of Mo.

[KoryMac5]

Just nothing down field one dimensional team right now...

[oregonred]

Well Geno just got sack/fumbled. Steelers about to go up 14. Season hanging in the balance
I was told the Steelers were garbage last week. Another Dom Heffner pink slip coming for Pete Carroll.

[Big Red Smokey]

How many plays to get into the red zone for KC? Guessing 3

[oregonred]

Just nothing down field one dimensional team right now...

Can't run the ball. #32 in the league coming into the game. Pitiful.

[Playadlc]

Ravens going to rest next week?

[The Operator]

Can’t run, can’t stop the run.


Not a great recipe.

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Oh good Taylor will be so happy.

[KoryMac5]

I would send everyone this 3rd down play...

[Playadlc]

Defense absolutely sucks.

[The Operator]

What the hell? He was short!

[KoryMac5]

CBS has to have a better view of this play...

[Roy Tucker]

I don’t know how they spot the ball where they did. A Mahomes call.

[The Operator]

Love that they originally marked him short then Mahomes whined and they gave him the first down.


Now the Bengals have to challenge it.

[oregonred]

CBS has to have a better view of this play...
The selective replays and angles in many games is a big issue

[Playadlc]

Ruled short.

[Hillsdale87]

Head ref coming in to change the line judge's call is total BS


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[The Operator]

Of course.

[oregonred]

Pratt whiff. They had it sniffed out...

[Hillsdale87]

Pratt continuing hos disappointing season


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[Playadlc]

Pratt and Wilson are kinda terrible now.

[Roy Tucker]

Pratt and Hubbard have to make that play.

[Playadlc]

Good job D. Still have a shot.

[The Operator]

Pratt and Hubbard have to make that play.

A linebacker and an edge letting Kermit carry them past the sticks. Brutal.

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Butker punches it through


22-17 KC

[KoryMac5]

Dax Hill with a nice tackle this time...held to a FG. Bengals offense has to get something going here.

[Playadlc]

Pitt going to win.

[Todd Gack]

Pratt and Wilson are kinda terrible now.

Yes. It's been a theme pretty much all year. Part of the reason our defense is awful this year. They signed new contracts and then became mediocre.

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Browning and Taylor have magically become mystified by this Zone Coverage.

[The Operator]

Just nobody getting open.


Way to motivate their secondary, Chase.

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How the hell do you throw a flag THAT late.


Jesus.

[Roy Tucker]

Terrible call. Terrible call.

[KoryMac5]

BS call!!!

[Playadlc]

Might be the worst call I've ever seen.

[The Operator]

Garbage call. Refs are useless.

[Hillsdale87]

That is such a terrible call


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[Playadlc]

Good night.

[oregonred]

The NFL continues to embarrass itself this weekend. That's awful.

[The Operator]

Welp.

Was fun having a lead for a while.

[Todd Gack]

Chiefs are just sitting in regular zone coverage and rushing 4 and we haven't figured out how to beat it.

Jake is holding onto the ball too long.

[OldFashionedRed]

The O-line sucks.

[The Operator]

And now a big punt return.


KC running away with it.

[Todd Gack]

The O-line sucks.

They've been fine. Jake is just holding onto the ball too long.

[KoryMac5]

How was Mahomes allowed to avoid a sack last series...by throwing it away.

[Roy Tucker]

I still can’t believe that call.

[KoryMac5]

Honestly with all the talk Chase did this week, he has done absolutely 0 to back it up.

[pedro]

The league is totally in the tank for the chiefs.


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[Todd Gack]

The thing with Dax is I almost feel like Lou has underutilized him late in the season in the box. He's much better when he's blitzing, going 1 on 1 in coverage at times, etc.

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Honestly with all the talk Chase did this week, he has done absolutely 0 to back it up.

His "talk" was so milquetoast.

[Playadlc]

Of course he goes 6-6.

[The Operator]

Butker continues the automatic stuff.


25-17 State Farm Insurance

[WVRed]

Take away the early touchdown and Butker has beat the Bengals by himself.

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[Oxilon]

Interesting they didn’t bring in Gene Steratore to spin that IG call….