NFL 2023 Part II - Are the Chiefs actually human?

[The Operator]

Please continue discussion here.

[Boston Red]

The Chiefs receivers are godawful.

[The Operator]

The Chiefs receivers are godawful.

Helps when Mahomes also has one of the worst games of his career. But it could also be related to trying to do too much with how awful their receivers are. If it isn’t Kelce, it’s basically a prayer.

[Assembly Hall]

C'mon Giants!

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Hurts gets called for a horse collar. Love it.

[Boston Red]

Niners get a safety because Lamar trips over the ref. Kind of ridiculous.

[RiverRat13]

Niners get a safety because Lamar trips over the ref. Kind of ridiculous.

Tough break but at the same time it was going to take a Herculean effort to get that ball past the line of scrimmage because Lamar was going to get hit even if the ref wasn't in the way. Dumb to retreat that far to the end zone.

[Boston Red]

They weren't going to get him in the end zone without the ref flying in at his legs.

[Todd Gack]

Niners get a safety because Lamar trips over the ref. Kind of ridiculous.

Lamar's awareness on that play was terrible. He lost like 15 yards by himself on that play. That is all on him.

[WVRed]

Not even halftime yet and Purdy has three picks.

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[RiverRat13]

Brock Purdy wasn't built to play against the AFC North.

[Big Red Smokey]

Purdy now 4 TDs, 6 INTs vs AFC North.

Different game then the sad sack NFC

[Boston Red]

Lamar's awareness on that play was terrible. He lost like 15 yards by himself on that play. That is all on him.

Not great, but he gets out of that without the ref flying at his knee.

Fun first half, though.

[goreds2]

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[Boston Red]

One of the law firms I work with got us club level seats in Arrowhead next weekend, so we'll see if we can get an up close glimpse of the Swift circus.

[WVRed]

4th pick by Purdy.

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[Boston Red]

Purdy might get benched.

[Boston Red]

McCaffrey is going to have to go off if Niners want to win.

[Boston Red]

When new odds come out in the morning, Ravens should be Super Bowl favorites and Lamar should be favorite for MVP.

Actually, there are already odds on BetMGM. Niners remain SB faves at +220 to Ravens +450. Brock Purdy went from MVP favorite this afternoon to +1300. Lamar is a big -170 favorite.

[dubc47834]

Not great, but he gets out of that without the ref flying at his knee.

Fun first half, though.

LOL...kinda dramatic don't ya think. The ref fell on his backside, he wasn't flying at anyone's knees.

[Roy Tucker]

Helps when Mahomes also has one of the worst games of his career. But it could also be related to trying to do too much with how awful their receivers are. If it isn’t Kelce, it’s basically a prayer.

Mahomes doesn’t seem to deal with adversity very well.

[Sea Ray]

Purdy now 4 TDs, 6 INTs vs AFC North.

Different game then the sad sack NFC

The NFC is incredibly weak. All their records are boosted by weak schedules. Just look at the schedules of the Lions, Eagles and Cowboys. Lots of “directional schools “ like Washington, Giants, Bears and Carolina in there. When matched up vs teams our Bengals have to play all the time, the warts show


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[Tuff Nut]

The Chiefs receivers are godawful.

They have Kelce, Rice, and ???????. The rest couldn't catch a cold.

[Todd Gack]

They have Kelce, Rice, and ???????. The rest couldn't catch a cold.

The Chiefs gambled that Mahomes would be enough and went cheap on their WR to build the rest of their roster since Pat's new contract is affecting their roster now. Obviously, we won't make the same mistake.

[Assembly Hall]

The NFC is incredibly weak. All their records are boosted by weak schedules. Just look at the schedules of the Lions, Eagles and Cowboys. Lots of “directional schools “ like Washington, Giants, Bears and Carolina in there. When matched up vs teams our Bengals have to play all the time, the warts show


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I am hoping Tampa makes it to the Super Bowl. Nah, not really. I am really hoping Detroit makes it.

[Slyder]

Las Vegas is still playing meaningful football in December... that's about all that you can ask plus beating the Chiefs. Maybe the Swift Curse will cause them to choke the last 2 and we can talk about Division Champions!

[Slyder]

Not great, but he gets out of that without the ref flying at his knee.

Fun first half, though.

I've been there as a ref for soccer. I bet he felt horrible. They're part of the field just like the players. I don't care who's qb a ref backtracking is not going to outrun a pro athlete (except JaWalrus Russell or Jared Lorenzen after a buffet night... maybe) and he tripped. If you don't want the qb to get tripped I'd recommend not running 20 yards backwards right into his lap.

[Boston Red]

You're not wrong. Just terrible luck. The thing with Lamar, though, is that if he runs 20 yards backwards, there's a pretty good chance he's going to then run thirty yards forward....unless a ref trips him.

[Assembly Hall]

You're not wrong. Just terrible luck. The thing with Lamar, though, is that if he runs 20 yards backwards, there's a pretty good chance he's going to then run thirty yards forward....unless a ref trips him.

And I was wondering at the time of the play if those 2 points would come back to "haunt" the Ravens. lol

[Slyder]

You're not wrong. Just terrible luck. The thing with Lamar, though, is that if he runs 20 yards backwards, there's a pretty good chance he's going to then run thirty yards forward....unless a ref trips him.

If he ended up running 30 on that play... that would make Barry Sanders look like Zach Crockett. There was no way he was breaking away from Bosa, Young, AND Warner on that play. I would give you ANY odds and take at best he chucks its into the fifth row. If it was 1 of them.. I could possibly see that but all 3 were in his face without blockers.

[Boston Red]

He had already turned the corner and was going to be by all of them. That fourth defender got him! :) Luckily it didn't end up mattering at all.

[Tuff Nut]

The Chiefs gambled that Mahomes would be enough and went cheap on their WR to build the rest of their roster since Pat's new contract is affecting their roster now. Obviously, we won't make the same mistake.

Yeah they thought they could catch lightning in a bottle 2 years in a row. Still a team that has a legit shot, especially with a top 5-8 defense.
I will give LV some dap, as that defense was flying around, making and disrupting plays all game. KC getting cute cost them the game and has, imo, been a factor in others.

[dubc47834]

He had already turned the corner and was going to be by all of them. That fourth defender got him! :) Luckily it didn't end up mattering at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neDsDpTp8Lo

He hadn't turned the corner. The defender was right there. Plus he was running to his weak side, so throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage at the angle he was running at was going to be tough. Like you said, it didn't come back to haunt them, but it wasn't a given that the play would have been made without the ref.

[Sea Ray]

First 48 career starts

Trevor Lawrence Daniel Jones
20-28 W-L 19-29
85.5 Pass Rating 85.4
55/35 Pass TD/INT 55/33
12,204 Pass+Rush Yds 11,992
6.7 Yards/Att 6.7

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Of course year one with Urban Meyer didn't help but still...

[kaldaniels]

So Russell Wilson is being benched to avoid hitting his playing time bonus. As in they aren’t even trying to hide it.

Do NFL players have any way to dispute such goings on?

[Assembly Hall]

So Russell Wilson is being benched to avoid hitting his playing time bonus. As in they aren’t even trying to hide it.

Do NFL players have any way to dispute such goings on?


One key reason behind the switch is financial, per Rapoport. Wilson has a $37 million injury guarantee for 2025 that becomes fully guaranteed in March. Sitting the QB the final two weeks to ensure he doesn't suffer a catastrophic injury provides the Broncos financial flexibility if Sean Payton and Co. decide to move on from the 35-year-old quarterback in 2024. It's not a done deal, but the late-season benching is a strong indicator Denver will end the Wilson ride after two seasons.

https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-benching-qb-russell-wilson-for-remainder-of-2023-to-preserve-financial-f

[Bob Sheed]

So Russell Wilson is being benched to avoid hitting his playing time bonus. As in they aren’t even trying to hide it.

Do NFL players have any way to dispute such goings on?

Does anyone know of any precedence for something like this?

I always thought even wink/wink/nudge/nudge attempts at stuff like this were usually blasted by the agent, the media, and even other players.

So are we at the point now where it's like "yep, nothing to see here. Business as usual?"

I'm curious, myself.

[Sea Ray]

So Russell Wilson is being benched to avoid hitting his playing time bonus. As in they aren’t even trying to hide it.

Do NFL players have any way to dispute such goings on?

Short answer: no

But the players do the same thing: see Lamar Jackson 2022

[Assembly Hall]

Yeah they thought they could catch lightning in a bottle 2 years in a row. Still a team that has a legit shot, especially with a top 5-8 defense.
I will give LV some dap, as that defense was flying around, making and disrupting plays all game. KC getting cute cost them the game and has, imo, been a factor in others.

Yoko Swifto?

[GAC]

Almost choked on my food I laughed so hard!

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[goreds2]

Browns clinch a playoff birth with a win tonight.

[Todd Gack]

Anyone watch the Barry Sanders documentary on Prime?

[RedTeamGo!]

Anyone watch the Barry Sanders documentary on Prime?

Not yet, is it good? Love Barry.

[Todd Gack]

Not yet, is it good? Love Barry.

Yeah, very good. Lots of nostalgic film for those who loved watching him as a teenager.

[Hillsdale87]

Not yet, is it good? Love Barry.

I haven't seen it yet, but my wife is from Detroit and her brothers loved it.


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[Boston Red]

Wichita's finest

[kaldaniels]

It finally feels like the Browns are back and just a “regular” NFL franchise, not an expansion team. For the last 2 dozen seasons it’s felt like they were just spinning their wheels in the mud, unable to overcome adversity due to lack of depth. It should not have taken this long but they have made it.

[Bob Sheed]

Yeah the Browns look for real.

[LiferJim]

Yeah the Browns look for real.

Just goes to show you can win with a mediocre quarterback and a great defense. Joe did it with Baltimore too, but he did play remarkably during that Super Bowl run


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[Hillsdale87]

Just goes to show you can win with a mediocre quarterback and a great defense. Joe did it with Baltimore too, but he did play remarkably during that Super Bowl run


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Flacco has not been a mediocre QB with the Browns though. He's throwing for 300+ every game. They've scored 30+ 3 of the last 4 games. He's making too many turnovers, but he's made them an explosive offense.


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[LiferJim]

Flacco has not been a mediocre QB with the Browns though. He's throwing for 300+ every game. They've scored 30+ 3 of the last 4 games. He's making too many turnovers, but he's made them an explosive offense.


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Yes he has played very well, but historically he would be considered mediocre IMO. He always had a great running game and defense in Baltimore. He never killed them, but he rarely had eye popping numbers.

I definitely agree he has played very well with the Browns, but if he has to keep throwing the ball so much, I think history will catch up with him. That said, I’m actually pulling for the Browns to do well.


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[Revering4Blue]

Flacco has not been a mediocre QB with the Browns though. He's throwing for 300+ every game. They've scored 30+ 3 of the last 4 games. He's making too many turnovers, but he's made them an explosive offense.


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All solid points. The era of winning a Super Bowl, let alone reaching one, with simply a competent QB, solid running games and defense is long gone. You have to score points.


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[LiferJim]

All solid points. The era of winning a Super Bowl, let alone reaching one, with simply a competent QB, solid running games and defense is long gone. You have to score points.


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Maybe, maybe not. 2019 Patriots beat the Rams 13-3. 2022 Rams beat our Bengals 23-20. Yes, both winners had competent quarterbacks

I agree, most games are high flying affairs because that’s what the fans like. Obviously you only had to score more than your defense allows [emoji2369]


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[Hillsdale87]

Maybe, maybe not. 2019 Patriots beat the Rams 13-3. 2022 Rams beat our Bengals 23-20. Yes, both winners had competent quarterbacks

I agree, most games are high flying affairs because that’s what the fans like. Obviously you only had to score more than your defense allows [emoji2369]


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Right. Not every game is going to be a shootout, but it's not a coincidence that of the 4 QBs in those 2 games, 1 is a lock HOFer, 1 is a fringe HOFer, and 1 is on his way to the HOF.

It's possible to win with a mediocre QB and an elite defense, but it makes your margin for error super small.


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[Bob Sheed]

I think there is more than one way to build a Super Bowl team, and we are seeing some of those ways, even if they are by accident.

A competent if unspectacular game manager QB on a very cheap contract, frees up a LOT of building options.

[Sea Ray]

One small positive to the Browns possibly winning the Super Bowl would be an end to this notion that a QB who wins 2 Super Bowls should be admitted to the HOF. There will be precious few campaigning for Flacco to make it...and I don't think Eli Manning is worthy either

[WVRed]

I think there is more than one way to build a Super Bowl team, and we are seeing some of those ways, even if they are by accident.

A competent if unspectacular game manager QB on a very cheap contract, frees up a LOT of building options.That would be true if the QB he was replacing wasn't one of the highest paid in the league before he went down.

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[Assembly Hall]

One small positive to the Browns possibly winning the Super Bowl would be an end to this notion that a QB who wins 2 Super Bowls should be admitted to the HOF. There will be precious few campaigning for Flacco to make it...and I don't think Eli Manning is worthy either

Is that you Jim Plunkett?

[Hillsdale87]

I think there is more than one way to build a Super Bowl team, and we are seeing some of those ways, even if they are by accident.

A competent if unspectacular game manager QB on a very cheap contract, frees up a LOT of building options.

It's pretty much impossible to have a decent QB on a cheap contract unless they're on a rookie deal though. Even middle of the road QBs like Derek Carr have huge contracts. Baker Mayfield is an exception this year, but they weren't expecting much from him as he was brought in to compete for the starting job. He's likely going to sign a pretty big deal this offseason.


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[KoryMac5]

Does anyone know of any precedence for something like this?

I always thought even wink/wink/nudge/nudge attempts at stuff like this were usually blasted by the agent, the media, and even other players.

So are we at the point now where it's like "yep, nothing to see here. Business as usual?"

I'm curious, myself.

It's out in the open now as Russ discussed it at his locker...good question from a Bronco's beat writer to get it all out in the open. I think Rappaport speculated about it a few weeks back. 2nd year in a row this has happened in the NFL with injury guarantees.

Not sure the NFLPA has much power to do anything in regards...their union ins pretty weak in comparison to baseball

[Redhook]

Brandon Aubrey is 37 for 37 on field goals this year. He’s 8 for 8 50+. That’s pretty pretty good.

[Boston Red]

Dan Campbell is a bit of an idiot.

[The Operator]

I love Dan Campbell but that was stupid.


Once they called the original 2-pointer back, just kick it. You can’t try that over and over.

[Boston Red]

Brandon Aubrey is 37 for 37 on field goals this year. He’s 8 for 8 50+. That’s pretty pretty good.

And no college football.

[Boston Red]

The Cowboys are pretty uninspiring, though. Another early playoff exit seems unavoidable.

[oregonred]

Looks like the Ravens will miss both Waddle and Mostert tomorrow. Ravens living right this year.

[Hillsdale87]

I love Dan Campbell but that was stupid.


Once they called the original 2-pointer back, just kick it. You can’t try that over and over.

Well it also appears that he got screwed on the original 2 pointer by the idiot ref. He screwed up who reported as eligible. Massive mistake with huge playoff implications. Another crucial mistake by the refs (and that crew has had a terrible year) that the NFL will do nothing about.


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[dubc47834]

I love Dan Campbell but that was stupid.


Once they called the original 2-pointer back, just kick it. You can’t try that over and over.

Why tho...the Lions can't fall any further in the standings. They lose it doesn't hurt them on bit.

[WVRed]

Why tho...the Lions can't fall any further in the standings. They lose it doesn't hurt them on bit.Helps with seeding though.

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[757690]

Well it also appears that he got screwed on the original 2 pointer by the idiot ref. He screwed up who reported as eligible. Massive mistake with huge playoff implications. Another crucial mistake by the refs (and that crew has had a terrible year) that the NFL will do nothing about.


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Huge mistake by the officials, but that mistake is why Decker was wide open in the end zone. The ref didn’t tell the Cowboys that he was eligible, so they didn’t think they had to cover him.

Had the ref correctly told the Cowboys Decker was eligible, the Cowboys would have played that play completely differently and who knows if it would have worked for the Lions.

[LiferJim]

Had the Lions taken that field goal in the second quarter, instead of going for it on 4th and goal from the 5 yard line, they most likely win that game. Very poor decision on the coaches part. Take the points! If it was from the one or two yard line, I can see going for it, but not the 5 yard line


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[WrongVerb]

Well it also appears that he got screwed on the original 2 pointer by the idiot ref. He screwed up who reported as eligible. Massive mistake with huge playoff implications. Another crucial mistake by the refs (and that crew has had a terrible year) that the NFL will do nothing about.


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They really need to employ full time refs.

[RichRed]

Dan Campbell is a bit of an idiot.

If the Lions had pulled out the win, we’d be talking more about what an idiot McCarthy is for that late-game play calling.

[The Operator]

The Miami Dolphins are going to get absolutely destroyed in the playoffs.


They’ve seemed like the biggest pretender all year long to me, and it’s showing big time today.

[The Operator]

And now Bradley Chubb may be seriously injured.


That’s why you don’t keep your 1st team defense on the field when you’re down by 4 scores with 4 minutes left.

[Todd Gack]

The Miami Dolphins are going to get absolutely destroyed in the playoffs.


They’ve seemed like the biggest pretender all year long to me, and it’s showing big time today.

The Ravens hype will be sky high so I’m putting money on Bills to win AFC.

[The Operator]

The Ravens hype will be sky high so I’m putting money on Bills to win AFC.

Yea, I’m hoping that they’re peaking early and will get high on their own supply.


I can’t stand the idea of another Ravens Super Bowl win.

[Todd Gack]

Yea, I’m hoping that they’re peaking early and will get high on their own supply.


I can’t stand the idea of another Ravens Super Bowl win.

I just don't trust Lamar in the playoffs. I would still feel comfortable if you can make them 1 dimensional.

[RedTeamGo!]

I just don't trust Lamar in the playoffs. I would still feel comfortable if you can make them 1 dimensional.

Weren’t you calling Lamar an idiot 6 months ago? Dude is about to be named MVP

[Boston Red]

Burrow couldn't play as well as Browning is playing today. Impressive.

[Bob Sheed]

Weren’t you calling Lamar an idiot 6 months ago? Dude is about to be named MVP

Maybe Lamar is just really philosophically stoic.

[Todd Gack]

Weren’t you calling Lamar an idiot 6 months ago? Dude is about to be named MVP

Yes. He's an idiot. did you not watch his first two playoff games?

My favorite is when Lamar threw an INT on the first drive of the game vs Tennessee and then late hit the guy who intercepted him for another 15 yards after it.

[Sea Ray]

Burrow couldn't play as well as Browning is playing today. Impressive.

He could give us leadership to flip momentum. The Chiefs have had momentum ever since that failed 4th down run


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[Hillsdale87]

I just don't trust Lamar in the playoffs. I would still feel comfortable if you can make them 1 dimensional.

You want to force them to pass, like the 3 incompletions and 5 TD passes he had today? They're pretty scary with real receiving weapons combined with Lamar's running.


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[Boston Red]

Lamar is the best. I remember the discussion here around the 2018 draft, and people thought it was crazy to think Lamar might be the best QB in that draft. Really, it's unbelievable that every team passed on him. It's hard for me to believe people missed the unique talent. Truly, I've never seen a Lamar. Not even Vick was as talented.

[Boston Red]

The Chiefs are still a mess. Can't see them getting far in the playoffs with those awful receivers. 6 FGs isn't going to get it done in the postseason.

[oregonred]

Lamar is the best. I remember the discussion here around the 2018 draft, and people thought it was crazy to think Lamar might be the best QB in that draft. Really, it's unbelievable that every team passed on him. It's hard for me to believe people missed the unique talent. Truly, I've never seen a Lamar. Not even Vick was as talented.
Great year but Ravens benefitted from flying under the radar, a healthy Lamar in a decimated AFC and some unbelievable front office moves. Coaching hires and savvy Fa moves with high upside talent like Clowney and OBJ.

Next year the AFC will focus on stopping Lamar.

Easy to play with a lot of swag when you have hands down the best defense in the AFC and maybe the NFL.

[Hillsdale87]

Great year but Ravens benefitted from flying under the radar, a healthy Lamar in a decimated AFC and some unbelievable front office moves. Coaching hires and savvy Fa moves with high upside talent like Clowney and OBJ.

Next year the AFC will focus on stopping Lamar.

Easy to play with a lot of swag when you have hands down the best defense in the AFC and maybe the NFL.

Lamar is about to win his second MVP in 5 years. Downplaying his greatness is silly. I'd probably rather have Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen over him, but he's an elite QB. Until this season, he's made it work with some of the worst skill position players in the NFL. He needs to prove it in the playoffs, and I hope he continues to come up short, but he's not just lucky to have a great defense. He's the engine of what's been an elite offense ever since he got there.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Yes. He's an idiot. did you not watch his first two playoff games?

My favorite is when Lamar threw an INT on the first drive of the game vs Tennessee and then late hit the guy who intercepted him for another 15 yards after it.

He also had no legit WR targets then. Now he does and he looks excellent. If throwing INT makes you an idiot Peyton Manning must have been a total dunce.

[RedTeamGo!]

Lamar is the best. I remember the discussion here around the 2018 draft, and people thought it was crazy to think Lamar might be the best QB in that draft. Really, it's unbelievable that every team passed on him. It's hard for me to believe people missed the unique talent. Truly, I've never seen a Lamar. Not even Vick was as talented.

I was one of those posters. I admit I was wrong.

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Lamar is about to win his second MVP in 5 years. Downplaying his greatness is silly. I'd probably rather have Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen over him, but he's an elite QB. Until this season, he's made it work with some of the worst skill position players in the NFL. He needs to prove it in the playoffs, and I hope he continues to come up short, but he's not just lucky to have a great defense. He's the engine of what's been an elite offense ever since he got there.


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I don’t see how you can argue Burrow or Allen over Lamar.

[RiverRat13]

I like the idea of putting QBs in tiers. I think Mahomes is on a tier of his own. Lamar, Allen and Burrow are on the next tier. I'm in the minority but I'd put Herbert in that tier as well. In 2021, you'd have wanted Allen over the rest in the tier. Last year it was Burrow. This year it is Lamar. I'd imagine for the next 6-8 years it will be year and team dependent who tops the tier in a given year.

[oregonred]

Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow. Edge to Lamar and Mahomes based on avoiding injuries.

Mahomes and Lamar have the benefit of superior organizations, front offices and coaching staff.

Harbaugh won a SB and was a consistent winner for a decade before Lamar showed up. Mahomes had the benefit of sitting a year and taking over a 1st place team coached by Andy Reid.

I put Allen, Herbert in the next tier

Close behind, Lawrence, Purdy, Hurts, Tua, Stafford and Dak

[The Operator]

Edge to Lamar for avoiding injuries? He missed 5 games in back to back years. This is the first time he’s finished the season healthy since 2020.

[Sea Ray]

Lamar is about to win his second MVP in 5 years. Downplaying his greatness is silly. I'd probably rather have Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen over him, but he's an elite QB. Until this season, he's made it work with some of the worst skill position players in the NFL. He needs to prove it in the playoffs, and I hope he continues to come up short, but he's not just lucky to have a great defense. He's the engine of what's been an elite offense ever since he got there.


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He’s not an elite QB until he performs in the postseason. He can do that in a few weeks


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[dubc47834]

He’s not an elite QB until he performs in the postseason. He can do that in a few weeks


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He is currently an elite QB. He just needs to add some playoff W's to his resume.

[Sea Ray]

He is currently an elite QB. He just needs to add some playoff W's to his resume.

Last year Jalen Hurts was in a similar position. To his credit he won a couple playoff games and entered into category of elite. If he’d laid another post season egg, I doubt that’d be the case


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[Hillsdale87]

I don’t see how you can argue Burrow or Allen over Lamar.

I don't think it's a big gap, but I want to see Lamar have a good playoff game before I'd put him over those guys. I trust them a little more as passers.


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[Hillsdale87]

Last year Jalen Hurts was in a similar position. To his credit he won a couple playoff games and entered into category of elite. If he’d laid another post season egg, I doubt that’d be the case


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Hurts is nowhere near as good as Lamar though. He's good, but take him out of Philly and he wouldn't look nearly as good. I think there are a lot of QBs that would have pretty similar success with Philly's line and weapons. Lamar has been the entire offense until this season. I guess you could say he needs to prove it before calling him elite, but there aren't 4 guys you could pick ahead of him right now.


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[WVRed]

There's a fake news story out that OBJ has rented a private yacht for the receivers. "The Spirit of Baltimore".

Thought it was legit until I researched it.

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[Todd Gack]

Lamar is about to win his second MVP in 5 years. Downplaying his greatness is silly. I'd probably rather have Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen over him, but he's an elite QB. Until this season, he's made it work with some of the worst skill position players in the NFL. He needs to prove it in the playoffs, and I hope he continues to come up short, but he's not just lucky to have a great defense. He's the engine of what's been an elite offense ever since he got there.


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He could've played last year but decided to quit on his teammates. He pouted because Baltimore was uneasy about giving a guy with his background so much guaranteed money. I'm not sure any other organization would treat an "elite" QB that way.

He's a better QB than I ever thought he would be but until he proves he can win big games, I don't trust him.

[plantmanky]

I dont get the Lamar is the MVP discussion. What makes Lamar the mvp this year?

[Todd Gack]

TJ Watt….uh oh….

[KoryMac5]

TJ Watt….uh oh….

Initial report grade 3 mcl tear…

[WVRed]

Initial report grade 3 mcl tear…It's actually being reported as a sprain but grade 3 is pretty much a tear any way you spin it.

He won't be suiting up for the playoffs if they make it. Steelers will be a quick out.

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[The Operator]

CJ Stroud averaging 75 yards per completion so far tonight.


Texans are gonna be a problem in the AFC for a long time if he stays healthy and they build properly around him.

[Boss-Hog]

It's actually being reported as a sprain but grade 3 is pretty much a tear any way you spin it.

He won't be suiting up for the playoffs if they make it. Steelers will be a quick out.

Sent from my SM-S911U using TapatalkA sprain is a tear; the grade is just the severity of the tear.

[RiverRat13]

If Buffalo loses tomorrow, then Baltimore has a Duke-like draw to get to the Super Bowl.

[Hillsdale87]

How many QBs would you take ahead of Stroud right now? It's not many. He's incredible.


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[KoryMac5]

Laporta injured for Detroit...killer injury right before playoffs with Det fighting for the 2 seed.

Looks like knee hyperextension he walked off under his own power

[Hillsdale87]

Yikes Jags. I know Lawrence was battling injuries, but what a collapse...


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[Todd Gack]

What is going on with Philly?

[Boston Red]

What is going on with Philly?

Not sure, but it's awesome.

[WVRed]

What is going on with Philly?There's been major locker room issues supposedly.

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[RichRed]

Hard to believe Matt Patricia wasn’t the answer to their problems.

[Mutaman]

Congratulations to Coach Matt LaFleur and the Green Bay Packers

[KoryMac5]

Drama in the Saints/Falcons game...Saints ran a play at the 1 while in victory formation after Dennis Allen told them to take a knee. Players wanted to get Williams a roster bonus.

Falcons players should be thrilled as this all but seals Arthur Smiths fate...

[KoryMac5]

Hard to believe Matt Patricia wasn’t the answer to their problems.

Unreal he has defensive ends dropping in coverage who don't understand how to play man or zone...they are an absolute mess.

[The Operator]

Always bet the over on Josh Allen interceptions.

[Assembly Hall]

Always bet the over on Josh Allen interceptions.

Bad interceptions at that.

[The Operator]

And now a tipped pass TD.

Football.

[The Operator]

What in earth were The Bills doing running a route short of the end zone? And why did Allen decide to throw it?


Yeesh.

[SteelSD]

I don't really care all that much who wins, but now I might root for Buffalo on the off chance that the Steelers get them and Josh Allen will as flat dumb as he has been in the first half of this game.

[The Operator]

Another Josh Allen turnover.

He’s great, but he’s so careless with the football.

[RiverRat13]

I don't really care all that much who wins, but now I might root for Buffalo on the off chance that the Steelers get them and Josh Allen will as flat dumb as he has been in the first half of this game.

I'd be terrified of Buffalo if I'm a top seed but definitely can see why an underdog would want a shot at them.

[The Operator]

Dolphins managed to blow a lead both in the game and a long-running lead in their division.


Don’t know why exactly, but they’ve just felt like pretenders all year.

[SteelSD]

I'd be terrified of Buffalo if I'm a top seed but definitely can see why an underdog would want a shot at them.

To be honest, I'm terrified of any team in the first round rooting for a team with 15,000 to 1 odds to win the Super Bowl.

And that might be optimistic.

[RiverRat13]

Dolphins managed to blow a lead both in the game and a long-running lead in their division.


Don’t know why exactly, but they’ve just felt like pretenders all year.

I believe they've only beaten one team with a winning record.

They also have a bunch of injuries.

[goreds2]

Well, they are doing this in the playoffs now.

No. 6 Dolphins at No. 3 Chiefs

Saturday, 8:15 p.m.

Peacock

[Chip R]

What is going on with Philly?

I blame Taylor Swift.

[goreds2]

Well, they are doing this in the playoffs now.

No. 6 Dolphins at No. 3 Chiefs

Saturday, 8:15 p.m.

Peacock

Kansas City Chiefs player handing out free Peacock subscriptions after calling exclusive playoff deal 'insane'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-player-handing-out-free-peacock-subscriptions-after-calling-exclusive-playoff-deal-insane/ar-AA1mPiXG

[Todd Gack]

Kansas City Chiefs player handing out free Peacock subscriptions after calling exclusive playoff deal 'insane'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-player-handing-out-free-peacock-subscriptions-after-calling-exclusive-playoff-deal-insane/ar-AA1mPiXG

Peacock is like $5/month.

[WVRed]

Peacock is like $5/month.Free with ads I think.

Better than Amazon but most people have that anyways.

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[Sea Ray]

Free with ads I think.

Better than Amazon but most people have that anyways.

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Is there a way to get it free? I figured there’d be ads during NFL games anyway. There are on Prime


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[WVRed]

Jerod Mayo officially hired by the Pats.

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[RedTeamGo!]

Peacock is like $5/month.

I get it and it isn't a lot of money, but the idea of signing up for ANOTHER streaming service to watch one football game that should absolutely be televised locally is so stupid.

[Boss-Hog]

Is there a way to get it free? I figured there’d be ads during NFL games anyway. There are on Prime


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI don't think there's a way to legally get the game for free outside the local markets - ads or no ads. If I'm wrong, someone let me know.

[Boston Red]

I'll actually be traveling through Missouri Saturday night, so maybe I'll get it for free. No way I'd pay to watch.

[WVRed]

I get it and it isn't a lot of money, but the idea of signing up for ANOTHER streaming service to watch one football game that should absolutely be televised locally is so stupid.Be glad you aren't a WVU fan.

The heavy majority of their games have been on ESPN+.

It doesn't matter to me. My wife follows WVU and we live somewhere that streaming is easily accessible. Go to rural West Virginia where you are lucky to get DSL for Internet and streaming isn't very reliable and it sucks for those fans.

I'd say the same thing about Kentucky too but UK games are mostly on the SEC Network or ESPN/CBS.

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[bm1475]

Marshall fans just went through several years of having some games streamed on Facebook. Life in the Sun Belt, I guess. I'm fairly tech-savvy and aside from plugging a laptop/desktop into the TV, I'm not sure how you'd stream Facebook to a TV. Pretty sure they're on ESPN+ now, not that that helps the rural WV grandmother who just wants to put it on channel 3 and see the game

[WVRed]

Marshall fans just went through several years of having some games streamed on Facebook. Life in the Sun Belt, I guess. I'm fairly tech-savvy and aside from plugging a laptop/desktop into the TV, I'm not sure how you'd stream Facebook to a TV. Pretty sure they're on ESPN+ now, not that that helps the rural WV grandmother who just wants to put it on channel 3 and see the gameSome TVs have a Facebook app for videos but I don't know if it streams football games or not. I have Roku which doesn't have a Facebook app.

I miss the days of Jefferson Pilot sports. The video quality sucked but at least you didn't have to pay extra to watch games.

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[Chip R]

Marshall fans just went through several years of having some games streamed on Facebook. Life in the Sun Belt, I guess. I'm fairly tech-savvy and aside from plugging a laptop/desktop into the TV, I'm not sure how you'd stream Facebook to a TV. Pretty sure they're on ESPN+ now, not that that helps the rural WV grandmother who just wants to put it on channel 3 and see the game

If you have a smart phone and the right kind of TV/Internet/WiFi, you can do a smart view (on an Android) where you can get the game on your phone but have whatever is on your phone cast on the TV.

[Todd Gack]

I get it and it isn't a lot of money, but the idea of signing up for ANOTHER streaming service to watch one football game that should absolutely be televised locally is so stupid.

Just pay the $5 for 1 month and get it over with.

[Boston Red]

Just pay the $5 for 1 month and get it over with.

The hassle factor in canceling is real.

[Sea Ray]

Just pay the $5 for 1 month and get it over with.

I don't care enough about the Chiefs to do that and I don't want to incentivize the NFL to continue this

[KoryMac5]

Buffalo weather forecast...

Snow expected heavy at times 2-3 inches per hour during the game....wind chill...etc...sounds like ideal conditions.

Snow total expected 12.5 inches.

[bm1475]

The hassle factor in canceling is real.

You can cancel immediately after paying for a month and keep your access until the end of the month you paid for.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I love people complaining about this.

Basically all sports will be on streaming services exclusively in 5-10 years.

[Boston Red]

You can cancel immediately after paying for a month and keep your access until the end of the month you paid for.

Do you have to call someone or can you do it with a click? I'm still not paying (I probably wouldn't have watched if it was "no additional charge" on my current streaming), but if that's the case no big deal. So many services require you to call and have a conversation that makes you want to murder someone to cancel.

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I love people complaining about this.

Basically all sports will be on streaming services exclusively in 5-10 years.

If someone can separate sports streaming from all the other streaming, that would be great. I'd love to pay for a just sports streaming package that gives me everything I want. I don't want to pay for Peacock so I can watch the Chiefs game or Night Court.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Do you have to call someone or can you do it with a click? I'm still not paying (I probably wouldn't have watched if it was "no additional charge" on my current streaming), but if that's the case no big deal. So many services require you to call and have a conversation that makes you want to murder someone to cancel.

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If someone can separate sports streaming from all the other streaming, that would be great. I'd love to pay for a just sports streaming package that gives me everything I want. I don't want to pay for Peacock so I can watch the Chiefs game or Night Court.

You can cancel peacock or any of the other ones with one click, no call. Peacock probably doesn’t even have a customer service phone number.

I have a buddy that works in media rights and I talked to him about this. What would a “Sports App” cost? Just anything I want to watch in one app. His guess was about $250 a month give or take.

There will be some consolidation of the streaming apps for sure, but you are gonna get Night Court.

Actually the Apple MLS deal was a bit of a test run, seems like it went ok and Messi obviously helped. I think the NBA is next and it’ll look very much like that.

[Boston Red]

I have a buddy that works in media rights and I talked to him about this. What would a “Sports App” cost? Just anything I want to watch in one app. His guess was about $250 a month give or take.


Sounds great as long as I can configure it and reduce the price. I'm never going to watch soccer. I'm very unlikely to watch hockey. I could live without the NFL until the playoffs, honestly. I can't imagine I've watched a whole NBA game in two years. If there's a baseball (college and pro), college football, college basketball and college gymnastics option that pares down that price considerably, sign me up.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Sounds great as long as I can configure it and reduce the price. I'm never going to watch soccer. I'm very unlikely to watch hockey. I could live without the NFL until the playoffs, honestly. I can't imagine I've watched a whole NBA game in two years. If there's a baseball (college and pro), college football, college basketball and college gymnastics option that pares down that price considerably, sign me up.

Probably can’t work that way. Maybe a tier or two, but the rights costs would be enormous. Just like cable you have to subsidize it to make it affordable. Otherwise the cut down one you want costs $250 and the get everything costs $700. You can’t a La carte media, it just ends up costing more.

[Boston Red]

Which, of course, is ridiculous. The rights fees should be borne by the people who actually want the content. i'm happy to subsidize college basketball rights fees for a bunch of Big Ten basketball I won't watch to get the Big East games I DO want to watch. But I think it's absurd that I would have to kick in for the absurd NFL rights fees when I don't even watch.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Which, of course, is ridiculous. The rights fees should be borne by the people who actually want the content. i'm happy to subsidize college basketball rights fees for a bunch of Big Ten basketball I won't watch to get the Big East games I DO want to watch. But I think it's absurd that I would have to kick in for the absurd NFL rights fees when I don't even watch.

You might watch sports that way, but you’d be kind of unique. Most people who watch sports watch more than 1 or 2 things.

And if you sold things to the people that only really want it, it’s going to be expensive, because they know you really want it and you’re the only person paying for it. It’d why PPV boxing for example is really expensive and has also basically died as a relevant sport.

It’s kinda fun to think about it but it’s also never gonna happen. But before too long you will be able to get just the NBA or NHL etc, but you’ll have to pay a base subscription to Apple or Paramount or whoever gets them.

[Boston Red]

And if you sold things to the people that only really want it, it’s going to be expensive,

Forcing me to buy something I don't want so that I can buy something I actually do want is tying, but they do manage to get away with it, obviously.

I happily pay for MLB.tv in order to watch the Reds games and subsidize all those Rays and Royals and As games that no one watches.

[kaldaniels]

I’m disappointed but not surprised there is a bit of an undercurrent on Twitter “it’s too cold to play the games the league should postpone them.”

Au contraire.

[WVRed]

Sirianni being fired is currently being rumored.

If they lose to Tampa Monday night wonder how long before Belichick is named coach there. Imagine Belichick with that defense.

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[Todd Gack]

I love people complaining about this.

Basically all sports will be on streaming services exclusively in 5-10 years.

It's actually great. I got YouTube TV for football season and will cancel it after march madness. I will then pick back up Netflix so my kids can enjoy it again. I will always keep Peacock so I can watch The Office, Parks and Rec, and other random series each year. Terrible $5 value.

[Chip R]

I’m disappointed but not surprised there is a bit of an undercurrent on Twitter “it’s too cold to play the games the league should postpone them.”

Au contraire.

It's only a matter of time before all the playoff games are moved to warm weather and indoor stadiums. I don't think the NFL is going to want to deal with weather problems in January for much longer.

[Bob Sheed]

"Every fiscal quarter, we need to cut 5% from expenditures and boost 5% profit, by any means possible, or else everyone is fired, and replaced by this year's graduating class of MBAs." - Everyone, Everywhere, Everything 2024

[Boss-Hog]

It's only a matter of time before all the playoff games are moved to warm weather and indoor stadiums. I don't think the NFL is going to want to deal with weather problems in January for much longer.That would surprise (and disappoint) me if they did that.

[WVRed]

That would surprise (and disappoint) me if they did that.I saw something that made a lot of sense, although I don't think it was very accurate.

The NFL kinda never had to deal with the problem of weather because the NY teams haven't been overly successful. Buffalo and the Jets were doormats for much of the Brady era and the Giants occasionally made the playoffs. Now that Buffalo is good and the weather is a factor they can't ignore it.

It just amazes me no one thought to move the Bengals game last year with snow in the forecast yet they (fans) want to move it (and KC) this year to accommodate the Steelers and Dolphins.

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[Boss-Hog]

At least as of yesterday, the NFL denied the rumor that the Bills' game is being considered to be moved from Buffalo. I hadn't heard anything either way about the Chiefs' game. The NFL has played tons of bad weather playoff games in Green Bay, New York, New England, Buffalo and other places, so I highly doubt there's anything to the above rumor/rationale. NFL history didn't begin with the Brady era, and besides, is Foxborough a pleasant place in the winter? I seem to recall a Tuck Rule game...

[Chip R]

I saw something that made a lot of sense, although I don't think it was very accurate.

The NFL kinda never had to deal with the problem of weather because the NY teams haven't been overly successful. Buffalo and the Jets were doormats for much of the Brady era and the Giants occasionally made the playoffs. Now that Buffalo is good and the weather is a factor they can't ignore it.

It just amazes me no one thought to move the Bengals game last year with snow in the forecast yet they (fans) want to move it (and KC) this year to accommodate the Steelers and Dolphins.

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I don' think they are trying to accommodate anyone but the fans and stadium personnel. I don't necessarily think they should move the games - especially at this late date - but I can see why they would. I don't know about Buffalo but there seems like there are going to be a lot of empty seats in KC. That's not a good look. KC fans are amongst the most loyal fans in the NFL and if they aren't going to the game, it must be bad.


At least as of yesterday, the NFL denied the rumor that the Bills' game is being considered to be moved from Buffalo. I hadn't heard anything either way about the Chiefs' game. The NFL has played tons of bad weather playoff games in Green Bay, New York, New England, Buffalo and other places, so I highly doubt there's anything to the above rumor/rationale. NFL history didn't begin with the Brady era, and besides, is Foxborough a pleasant place in the winter? I seem to recall a Tuck Rule game...

The NFL has done a lot of things in the past that they don't do anymore. This could be one of them. I think everything is going to stay like it is this week. We'll see what happens next week. If they have a playoff game that ends up 9-3 because no one can move the ball, I think the NFL will seriously start thinking about taking playoff games out of cold weather cities. If they did that, I don't think warm weather/dome teams should have a home field advantage. For example: If Miami made the playoffs they couldn't play in Miami unless they got to the Super Bowl and the game happened to be in Miami. Maybe the Bengals would play in DET or Indy or Nashville. The Lions would have to play in Minneapolis or Indy. If their goal is to have the best game possible, they are going to have to take it out of cold weather stadiums.

[Todd Gack]

It's only a matter of time before all the playoff games are moved to warm weather and indoor stadiums. I don't think the NFL is going to want to deal with weather problems in January for much longer.

I would be just as disappointed as the NCAA tournament creating "standardized courts" instead of keeping the original designs for the NCAA tournament.

For example, we all remember the Hampton/Iowa State game was in Boise because of the finish. I just thought it was a lot cooler having the "home team" courts.

[Assembly Hall]

I saw something that made a lot of sense, although I don't think it was very accurate.

The NFL kinda never had to deal with the problem of weather because the NY teams haven't been overly successful. Buffalo and the Jets were doormats for much of the Brady era and the Giants occasionally made the playoffs. Now that Buffalo is good and the weather is a factor they can't ignore it.

It just amazes me no one thought to move the Bengals game last year with snow in the forecast yet they (fans) want to move it (and KC) this year to accommodate the Steelers and Dolphins.

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Well it is January 12th and we haven't started the playoffs yet. Mid January and what do they expect in these northern cities? 60 and balmy?

[SteelSD]

At least as of yesterday, the NFL denied the rumor that the Bills' game is being considered to be moved from Buffalo. I hadn't heard anything either way about the Chiefs' game. The NFL has played tons of bad weather playoff games in Green Bay, New York, New England, Buffalo and other places, so I highly doubt there's anything to the above rumor/rationale. NFL history didn't begin with the Brady era, and besides, is Foxborough a pleasant place in the winter? I seem to recall a Tuck Rule game...

That's news. Appreciate you posting it, as I did hear the rumors that it might be moved in case of well...worst case.

[goreds2]

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[Sea Ray]

Do you have to call someone or can you do it with a click? I'm still not paying (I probably wouldn't have watched if it was "no additional charge" on my current streaming), but if that's the case no big deal. So many services require you to call and have a conversation that makes you want to murder someone to cancel.

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If someone can separate sports streaming from all the other streaming, that would be great. I'd love to pay for a just sports streaming package that gives me everything I want. I don't want to pay for Peacock so I can watch the Chiefs game or Night Court.

I’d pay one price to watch NFL football but it’d sure be a hassle to have to buy streaming from Prime, NBC, ABC and several others all at once


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[Bob Sheed]

Next up:

"Watch the 1st Half, exclusively on Peacock!"

Then get ready for the 2nd Half!

"Only on Paramount Plus!"

How much of this crap is everyone going to put up with?

I'll be watching, but it'll be from the high seas. Homie don't play that.

[KoryMac5]

Bills/Pitts officially pushed to Monday

[The Operator]

What’s up with so many kick returners in both the pros and college calling for fair catches when the ball would easily wind up in the end zone?


Seems dumb to me but maybe I’m missing something.

[Boss-Hog]

What’s up with so many kick returners in both the pros and college calling for fair catches when the ball would easily wind up in the end zone?


Seems dumb to me but maybe I’m missing something.They bring the ball out to the same yardline they would if they let it go into the endzone.

[kaldaniels]

They bring the ball out to the same yardline they would if they let it go into the endzone.

I think he was referring to a punt Cleveland fielded and instantly got creamed on the 7.

I would have let it go and avoid the hit…but then you look like an idiot if it gets downed at the 1.

[The Operator]

Laremy Tunsil appears to be hurt.

Big implications if he’s out.

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I think he was referring to a punt Cleveland fielded and instantly got creamed on the 7.

I would have let it go and avoid the hit…but then you look like an idiot if it gets downed at the 1.

Yea, I was more referring to situations where guys are standing at the 5 yard line and call for and execute a fair catch. Seems way more logical to let it hit the end zone.

But then again, I’m sure there are things I’m not thinking of. Haha

[kaldaniels]

Laremy Tunsil appears to be hurt.

Big implications if he’s out.

Guys awesome and on a HOF path I’d say…

And he’s on the PAT squad???

[Boss-Hog]

I think he was referring to a punt Cleveland fielded and instantly got creamed on the 7.

I would have let it go and avoid the hit…but then you look like an idiot if it gets downed at the 1.That's what I thought, but he said kick returners, so I wasn't sure. Specific to punt returns, I don't think you're missing anything; they're just bad decisions if they're truly going into the endzone.

[The Operator]

Texans are giving the Browns receiving core a pretty huge cushion off the ball.

[kaldaniels]

Yeah both D’s look less than ordinary right now.

O/U was 44.5 and we are already at 17 with Cleveland threatening.

[The Operator]

Yeah both D’s look less than ordinary right now.

O/U was 44.5 and we are already at 17 with Cleveland threatening.

Yea, looking like a shootout so far.

[The Operator]

Wow.

Just a ton off offense on display.

[kaldaniels]

Wow.

Just a ton off offense on display.

As a Browns fan I have to say that last TD was due to a lack of defense!

[kaldaniels]

Where’s the leagues secret replay and they have the refs huddle up when you need it?

[The Operator]

Browns are lucky that Stroud *just* over threw that deep ball to a wide open Collins.

[The Operator]

CJ Stroud is incredible.

[The Operator]

The difference in Cleveland’s defense at home versus Cleveland’s defense in the road is just… odd.


I know home field advantage is of course a thing, but the difference in this case is just staggering.

[RichRed]

Bobby Slowik might be making himself some money tonight.

[The Operator]

Well, the Flacco Magic appears to have run out.


Still a pretty incredible job by The Browns to make it this far without Chubb, their starting QB, half their o-line, etc

[Sea Ray]

I’m loving this


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[The Operator]

The Texans are gonna be a problem for a while. Stroud is legit and they’ve got a ton of cap room moving into next year.

[Sea Ray]

Flacco has two big issues

He’s the least mobile QB in the league

He throws INTs


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[Bob Sheed]

So much for my dream of a Browns Lions Super Bowl...

[The Operator]

So much for my dream of a Browns Lions Super Bowl...

Hoping for Lions-Texans at this point.

[Assembly Hall]

The Texans are gonna be a problem for a while. Stroud is legit and they’ve got a ton of cap room moving into next year.

If Stroud doesn't get hurt...

[The Operator]

If Stroud doesn't get hurt...

Isn’t that true for almost any team though?

[Assembly Hall]

Isn’t that true for almost any team though?

It just seems "everyone" wants to put Stroud in the HoF right now. It is only year #1. Lots of things can happen.

[RiverRat13]

Reaching the ball out and then willingly bringing the ball back to your body should be spotted where you brought the ball back to. It makes sense in the endzone because the play is over, but just sticking the ball out and bringing it back shouldn't be ruled forward progress. Just a small rant.

[Hillsdale87]

Reaching the ball out and then willingly bringing the ball back to your body should be spotted where you brought the ball back to. It makes sense in the endzone because the play is over, but just sticking the ball out and bringing it back shouldn't be ruled forward progress. Just a small rant.

That's not what the call was though. His knee was down when he extended the ball and before he brought it back in


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[Todd Gack]

The funny part about the non call on Hardman was that he still could’ve caught the ball had he not given up on it….lol

[The Operator]

The funny part about the non call on Hardman was that he still could’ve caught the ball had he not given up on it….lol

It’s funny to watch the shocked Pikachu faces by the Chiefs on the rare occasions a call doesn’t go their way.

[RiverRat13]

That's not what the call was though. His knee was down when he extended the ball and before he brought it back in


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Thanks for clarifying as I was only half-watching!

[The Operator]

Chiefs are allowed to make a helmet swap without Mahomes leaving the game or using a timeout.


That’s nice.

[Reds Freak]

Chiefs are allowed to make a helmet swap without Mahomes leaving the game or using a timeout.


That’s nice.

Chiefs don't really need any help this game, but referees gonna give them a hand anyway.

[oregonred]

Dolphins need to consider a change from McDaniel. 10-1 vs sub .500 teams and 1-6 with five bad losses to teams over .500

With the Dolphins schedule, the Bengals likely would have gone 12-5 this season

[WVRed]

Dolphins need to consider a change from McDaniel. 10-1 vs sub .500 teams and 1-6 with five bad losses to teams over .500

With the Dolphins schedule, the Bengals likely would have gone 12-5 this seasonIf he does it next year I think he's out.

He's a pretty popular coach with the players, fans, and the media. Runs an exciting offense except when they play a team with a defense.

I lost a lot of respect last year for him though when he let Tua play four days after an obvious concussion and he got rocked in Cincinnati.

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[Hillsdale87]

Dolphins need to consider a change from McDaniel. 10-1 vs sub .500 teams and 1-6 with five bad losses to teams over .500

With the Dolphins schedule, the Bengals likely would have gone 12-5 this season

McDaniel would get hired by somebody else immediately. The Dolphins are a bit of a fraud, but it's because of Tua. He just doesn't have it when playing against the good teams.

The Dolphins roster was not very good this year outside of WR, especially right now with all of the DL injuries. Their CB room has been injured all season. The OL isn't very good. Mostert had a great season but is a journeyman RB, and Achane was a 3rd round rookie. The defense was getting better under Fangio, but ultimately the injuries were too much. He was blitzing almost every play last night because there was no other way to get to Mahomes. IMO McDaniel is a superstar, but Tua is the Dolphins version of Alex Smith. Good enough to make the team good, but not good enough to push them past there.


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[Bob Sheed]

He was blitzing almost every play last night because there was no other way to get to Mahomes.


This was puzzling to me.

The Bengals, among other teams, provided the blueprint to beat Mahommes.

Rush 4.
Spy Mahommes.
Double Kelce.

Then wait for the confidence-fueled mistakes from Mahommes. All you need is a couple to swing the game.

Blitzing Mahommes is how you get the L though.

[Hillsdale87]

This was puzzling to me.

The Bengals, among other teams, provided the blueprint to beat Mahommes.

Rush 4.
Spy Mahommes.
Double Kelce.

Then wait for the confidence-fueled mistakes from Mahommes. All you need is a couple to swing the game.

Blitzing Mahommes is how you get the L though.

That's the blueprint if you have pass rushers, but the Dolphins were signing DEs off the street for this game. They knew they couldn't get after him with 4 with their personnel, but also that blitzing put them in a bad spot. They had no good options and tried for the highest variance approach.


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[oregonred]

McDaniel will, of course, get another year but the bloom is off the rose going into next year in Miami. No playoff wins since 2000 and an owner who has made a lot of moves to maximize the current roster.

Lots of defensive injuries but the offense has been slow motion (seems every snap is 5 sec or less and not fluid) and downright pitiful over the last month and against the better teams.

Dallas looking like Miami NFC version so far Lots of wins and stats against sub-par competition.

[Roy Tucker]

Dallas getting smoked by Green Bay 21-0 in 2Q. Jerry isn’t happy.

[Boston Red]

Has to be the end of Dak in Dallas.

[Roy Tucker]

Whoops. GB missed the XP making it 20-0.

And now a pick 6 and it’s 27-0.

[The Operator]

Has to be the end of Dak in Dallas.

Probably McCarthy too, no?

[KronoRed]

Refs helping Dallas out...shocking.

[Kingspoint]

Jordan Love probably already earned a 5-year/$120M extension this Summer because of his regular season performance since Week 11, but today he probably added another $30M to that total.

[Boston Red]

Probably McCarthy too, no?

See Dead Coach Walking thread. Lol

[The Operator]

Man, nothing goes right for Dallas.

2-point PAT gets called back by penalty so they elect to kick it. No good.


Lol

[WVRed]

Has to be the end of Dak in Dallas.Who is going to replace him?

Even then, Jerry Jones tends to fixate on mediocre QBs and because it's Dallas they get overrated into All Pro talent. (Tony Romo)

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[Boston Red]

The TD pass with no one within 25 yards of the receiver downfield is not something you see in the NFL too often.

[The Operator]

Who is going to replace him?

Even then, Jerry Jones tends to fixate on mediocre QBs and because it's Dallas they get overrated into All Pro talent. (Tony Romo)

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There’s always Trey Lance, haha.


Wouldn’t that be interesting.

[Redsfaithful]

Losing in the first round is one thing and I think making the playoffs usually has value but I genuinely would rather the Bengals miss the playoffs than lose by 30+ in the first round. Browns and Cowboys fans must feel miserable.

[Todd Gack]

Losing in the first round is one thing and I think making the playoffs usually has value but I genuinely would rather the Bengals miss the playoffs than lose by 30+ in the first round. Browns and Cowboys fans must feel miserable.

Browns had a successful year no matter which way you cut it. Disappointing end, but still.

Cowboys is a different story.

[RedsBaron]

Decades ago I often rooted for the Cowboys. Back in the 1970s, I was primarily an Oakland Raiders fan, with the Bengals my no. 2 team, but I really liked Roger Staubach and several other Cowboy players. It was easy to root for Dallas when they played the Steelers. However, once Jerry Jones purchased the Cowboys 30+ years ago, I have rooted against them ever since (other than in their Super Bowl win over the Steelers after the 1995 season). I'm really enjoying today's game.

[The Operator]

Browns had a successful year no matter which way you cut it. Disappointing end, but still.

Cowboys is a different story.

Doesn’t make it any easier though. I know a good number of Browns fans and they were pretty heartbroken. I think the Flacco Magic really made them believe.

[Revering4Blue]

Browns had a successful year no matter which way you cut it. Disappointing end, but still.

Cowboys is a different story.

Exactly.

Different expectations. The Browns can easily build off this.


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[WVRed]

Losing in the first round is one thing and I think making the playoffs usually has value but I genuinely would rather the Bengals miss the playoffs than lose by 30+ in the first round. Browns and Cowboys fans must feel miserable.One is a 2 seed and is getting thoroughly embarrassed.

The other was a 5 seed who had cycled through four QBs all season and had injuries to multiple players. Plus CJ Stroud is the real deal.

Dallas will probably make some changes. I would have said Dan Quinn replaces McCarthy but giving up 48 points at least is going to possibly damage his coaching prospects.



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[Slyder]

Doesn’t make it any easier though. I know a good number of Browns fans and they were pretty heartbroken. I think the Flacco Magic really made them believe.

Weren’t they missing like half of their 2-deep on the line?

[Assembly Hall]

Losing in the first round is one thing and I think making the playoffs usually has value but I genuinely would rather the Bengals miss the playoffs than lose by 30+ in the first round. Browns and Cowboys fans must feel miserable.

The Browns had an excuse with their injuries and Flacco being their 4th QB. But what is the Cowboy excuse for getting crushed on their own field?

[Mutaman]

Over the years the packers have been a totally different team when Aaron Jones is healthy. Just a superb football player.

[Revering4Blue]

Decades ago I often rooted for the Cowboys. Back in the 1970s, I was primarily an Oakland Raiders fan, with the Bengals my no. 2 team, but I really liked Roger Staubach and several other Cowboy players. It was easy to root for Dallas when they played the Steelers. However, once Jerry Jones purchased the Cowboys 30+ years ago, I have rooted against them ever since (other than in their Super Bowl win over the Steelers after the 1995 season). I'm really enjoying today's game.

It goes without saying Jones totally mishandled the Landry to Johnson transition in a big way. Jones didn’t even have the guts to inform Landry in person. And the ‘You can’t argue with the result’ counter-argument from most of Cowboys’ nation doesn’t remove that proverbial stain.

It remains a disgrace. Landry deserved better.


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[Roy Tucker]

Never been a Cowboy fan going back to the old NFL days and Dallas was an expansion team. Heck I remember Eddie LeBaron and Don Meredith. Being a Browns fan then, just didn’t like them.

GB letting up just a little too early and putting in the second string QB. 48-32 with time left.

[Redsfaithful]

Browns had a successful year no matter which way you cut it. Disappointing end, but still.



Absolutely, backup QBs and you still win 11 games in a very tough division, that's a solid year, but I'm just saying it still has to be miserable. I know a lot of Browns fans but have only talked to a couple today, and they were both pretty bitter. Small sample size of course.

[WVRed]

Absolutely, backup QBs and you still win 11 games in a very tough division, that's a solid year, but I'm just saying it still has to be miserable. I know a lot of Browns fans but have only talked to a couple today, and they were both pretty bitter. Small sample size of course.The Browns ran into a buzzsaw and I will admit I was wrong about CJ Stroud.

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[RedsBaron]

Never been a Cowboy fan going back to the old NFL days and Dallas was an expansion team. Heck I remember Eddie LeBaron and Don Meredith. Being a Browns fan then, just didn’t like them.

GB letting up just a little too early and putting in the second string QB. 48-32 with time left.

I can recall Dallas blasted the Browns 52-14 in the first round of the 1967 NFL playoffs, before losing the Ice Bowl to the Packers the following week. The Browns got their revenge, twice, in the next two seasons. In Don Meredith's final playoff game in 1968, the Browns upset the Cowboys 31-20. In 1969, the Browns blasted the Craig Morton lead Cowboys 38-14.
I wonder if Mike McCarthy survives today's game.

[Sea Ray]

Losing in the first round is one thing and I think making the playoffs usually has value but I genuinely would rather the Bengals miss the playoffs than lose by 30+ in the first round. Browns and Cowboys fans must feel miserable.

My thoughts exactly after the Browns game yesterday


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[BuckeyeRed27]

Losing in the first round is one thing and I think making the playoffs usually has value but I genuinely would rather the Bengals miss the playoffs than lose by 30+ in the first round. Browns and Cowboys fans must feel miserable.

No way. Get in the dance and see how it goes. Totally sucked not having a Bengals game this weekend.

[WVRed]

No way. Get in the dance and see how it goes. Totally sucked not having a Bengals game this weekend.For some reason I thought you and RTG were Browns fans.

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[Redsfaithful]

The Browns ran into a buzzsaw and I will admit I was wrong about CJ Stroud.

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The Panthers taking a 5'10 QB instead of CJ Stroud is going to go down in history as an all-time bad decision.

[Sea Ray]

For some reason I thought you and RTG were Browns fans.

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RTG certainly is


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[WVRed]

The Panthers taking a 5'10 QB instead of CJ Stroud is going to go down in history as an all-time bad decision.Just depends on who they surround Young with but I have zero faith in the ownership there.

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[Redsfaithful]

No way. Get in the dance and see how it goes. Totally sucked not having a Bengals game this weekend.

I'm always pro-playoffs, don't get me wrong, and you don't get to choose in advance how bad you lose, I'm just saying ... woof.

[BuckeyeRed27]

For some reason I thought you and RTG were Browns fans.

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I live in Cleveland and I follow the Browns pretty closely and generally like them. But I’m very much a bengals fan.

It’s pretty easy to follow both. They hate the same teams and for whatever in state manufactured outrage exists, they aren’t rivals and have played few if any meaningful games against each other in like 30 years.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm always pro-playoffs, don't get me wrong, and you don't get to choose in advance how bad you lose, I'm just saying ... woof.

No I get it. It’s easier to hide from the pain haha

Even the year OSU got boat raced and shut out by Clemson in the playoffs, still rather have it than not getting the shot.

I did want the browns to win and that loss was super unfortunate in how it played out, but way better than the alternative.

[WVRed]

I live in Cleveland and I follow the Browns pretty closely and generally like them. But I’m very much a bengals fan.

It’s pretty easy to follow both. They hate the same teams and for whatever in state manufactured outrage exists, they aren’t rivals and have played few if any meaningful games against each other in like 30 years.I followed the Browns when they drafted Tim Couch. Being from Kentucky originally I wanted to see Couch succeed, unfortunately it didn't work out.

Any time the Browns are in the playoffs especially against the Steelers or Dirty Birds I will pull for Cleveland.

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[WVRed]

Watching the Lions move the ball at will with Penei Sewell blocking is making me second guess taking him over Jamarr Chase.

Jamarr got the Bengals to the Super Bowl but long term Sewell would have been the better pick. Too late now.

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[Sea Ray]

Watching the Lions move the ball at will with Penei Sewell blocking is making me second guess taking him over Jamarr Chase.

Jamarr got the Bengals to the Super Bowl but long term Sewell would have been the better pick. Too late now.

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It's a tough call but I still think the Bengals made the right move. The league is about playmakers and Chase is definitely that. Sewell was not very good his rookie year. Bengals aren't going to the SB that year.

[The Operator]

Lions just got absolutely jobbed.

They got the Rams to jump and the refs call it a false start.

[Hillsdale87]

Lions just got absolutely jobbed.

They got the Rams to jump and the refs call it a false start.

Yes. Inexcusable. Reffing is so consistently bad. That's not even a hard call.


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[Hillsdale87]

It's a tough call but I still think the Bengals made the right move. The league is about playmakers and Chase is definitely that. Sewell was not very good his rookie year. Bengals aren't going to the SB that year.

It's not a hard call IMO. Sewell is awesome. Chase is just as good at a more important position.


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[The Operator]

It's not a hard call IMO. Sewell is awesome. Chase is just as good at a more important position.


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Not only that, but he came in already having chemistry with Burrow. That was important.

[plantmanky]

Who is going to replace him?

Even then, Jerry Jones tends to fixate on mediocre QBs and because it's Dallas they get overrated into All Pro talent. (Tony Romo)

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Russell Wilson

[dubc47834]

Russell Wilson

Just an older version of Dak at this point.