2023 NCAA Football: PLAYOFF?!?!

[WVRed]

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[Assembly Hall]

This Wisconsin team got beat by Indiana earlier in the year. The Badgers were without Mordecai.

[GAC]

I'm impressed the way their defense has played against the #1 scoring offense in college football.

[Roy Tucker]

I usually root for the Big 10 team in bowl and playoff games. But I cannot bring myself to root for UM at this point in time.

Roll Tide!!

[RedTeamGo!]

i usually root for the big 10 team in bowl and playoff games. But i cannot bring myself to root for um at this point in time.

Roll tide!!

roll damned tide

[Sea Ray]

This Citrus Bowl is fun [emoji16]


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[Assembly Hall]

This Citrus Bowl is fun [emoji16]


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I don't think that the Iowa QB would start for my local HS team.

[Revering4Blue]

roll damned tide

Yeah, roll right off a (figurative) cliff.

Go Blue!


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[Revering4Blue]

I don't think that the Iowa QB would start for my local HS team.

Just goes to show the OC wasn’t the issue. It was/is his Father’s questionable roster management. No excuse for lacking at least a somewhat athletic QB behind McNamara.


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[RedTeamGo!]

As I was saying a few weeks ago: Liberty is a joke and shouldn’t be in this game.

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Yeah, roll right off a (figurative) cliff.

Go Blue!


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I tend to root against cheaters.

[Assembly Hall]

Just goes to show the OC wasn’t the issue. It was/is his Father’s questionable roster management. No excuse for lacking at least a somewhat athletic QB behind McNamara.


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Who was the last decent Hawkeye QB? CJ Beathard? 2015,2016?

[kaldaniels]

As I was saying a few weeks ago: Liberty is a joke and shouldn’t be in this game.

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I tend to root against cheaters.

I wonder how long the Group of 5 (or whatever their name is) will be able to stave off having their playoff auto-bid yanked away from them. Just give it some time…and wait for a G5 team to get a spot in front of a blue blood…and the G5 team gets blown out.

[Sea Ray]

Explain to me how Iowa can be ranked 17th


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[Revering4Blue]

Who was the last decent Hawkeye QB? CJ Beathard? 2015,2016?

Beathard or Ricky Stanzi.


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[Assembly Hall]

Explain to me how Iowa can be ranked 17th


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One of the perks of being in the B1G West...

[Sea Ray]

Big Ten once again getting stomped by the SEC. Most of these games had the Big Ten as the higher ranked team. The media over ranks the Big Ten. If this trend continues, it doesn’t look good for Michigan tonight


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[Assembly Hall]

Big Ten once again getting stomped by the SEC. Most of these games had the Big Ten as the higher ranked team. The media over ranks the Big Ten. If this trend continues, it doesn’t look good for Michigan tonight


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That Bama/Michigan game is the only one that really matters in the SEC vs. B1G.

[RedTeamGo!]

Iowa won the big ten west and went 7-2 in conference during regular season. Currently losing 34-0 to a backup Qb and Tennessee.

The big ten blows this year. Don’t know how else to say it.

Michigan is going to get curb stomped today.

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That Bama/Michigan game is the only one that really matters in the SEC vs. B1G.

Iowa had no opt outs and was absolutely trying today. They are getting destroyed by a true freshman backup.

[Assembly Hall]

Iowa won the big ten west and went 7-2 in conference during regular season. Currently losing 34-0 to a backup Qb and Tennessee.

The big ten blows this year. Don’t know how else to say it.

Michigan is going to get curb stomped today.

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Iowa had no opt outs and was absolutely trying today. They are getting destroyed by a true freshman backup.

Oh you poor Buckeye fan. lol

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh you poor Buckeye fan. lol

Nothing I said was about OSU. They were frauds this year as well.

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I wonder how long the Group of 5 (or whatever their name is) will be able to stave off having their playoff auto-bid yanked away from them. Just give it some time…and wait for a G5 team to get a spot in front of a blue blood…and the G5 team gets blown out.

I’ll say 1-2 years. Could you imagine Liberty getting a spot this year over LSU with the Heisman winner?

[Hillsdale87]

Big Ten once again getting stomped by the SEC. Most of these games had the Big Ten as the higher ranked team. The media over ranks the Big Ten. If this trend continues, it doesn’t look good for Michigan tonight


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The SEC is definitely better, but I'm not sure you can take that from most of these games. OSU with a healthy QB and Marvin Harrison would have beaten Missouri handily.

We will find out in a couple hours, but I think the SEC probably has 2 teams better than anyone in the B10.


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[Sea Ray]

That Bama/Michigan game is the only one that really matters in the SEC vs. B1G.

I don’t agree 100% but I know what you mean

If Bama wins that won’t reflect well on the Big


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[BuckeyeRed27]

I think Michigan is better. But they don’t have Saban and I think that’s going to matter and Bama wins.

The other one I’m taking Washington, but I’m not confident in that.

[Hillsdale87]

I don’t agree 100% but I know what you mean

If Bama wins that won’t reflect well on the Big


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I would say the whole season doesn't reflect well on the B10. Just a really bad season


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[Assembly Hall]

I would say the whole season doesn't reflect well on the B10. Just a really bad season


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Meh. Michigan wins the title and all will be forgiven.

[WVRed]

And just like that Michigan throws a pick on the first play

Nevermind, reversed.

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[Boston Red]

Michigan making mistakes galore. Can't do that against Bama.

[Roy Tucker]

Kind of a wild and wooly start to the UM-Bama game.

[Boston Red]

Michigan is a complete mess to start.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan is a complete mess to start.

Michigan just needs to play power football. JJ sucks at throwing the ball.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan just needs to play power football. JJ sucks at throwing the ball.

I apologize JJ.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I apologize JJ.

Nah you are right. They gotta run.

[The Operator]

Pretty effortlessly marched down the field to tie it back up.

[The Operator]

Michigan trips the punter on his follow through and no flag.

[RedsBaron]

Michigan trips the punter on his follow through and no flag.

Horrible non-penalty call.

[Hillsdale87]

Michigan trips the punter on his follow through and no flag.

That looked really obvious. Not sure how they didn't call that


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[The Operator]

That looked really obvious. Not sure how they didn't call that


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I don’t even grasp what is and isn’t a penalty anymore in both college and the pros. Just no rhyme or reason from play to play, game to game. Just whatever the ref is thinking at the moment.

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Michigan playing dirty football.

[RedsBaron]

I don’t even grasp what is and isn’t a penalty anymore in both college and the pros. Just no rhyme or reason from play to play, game to game. Just whatever the ref is thinking at the moment.

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Michigan playing dirty football.
Yes they are. No. 44 on Michigan should have been flagged for targeting.

[Assembly Hall]

That looked really obvious. Not sure how they didn't call that


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Same Ref from the Dallas/Detroit game.

[Boston Red]

Michigan seems pretty superior now that they've settled in.

[The Operator]

Bengals 2021 offensive line showed up to play for Alabama today.

[Boston Red]

Miraculous recovery by the Bama punter.

[Hillsdale87]

Bama's OL being a bigger liability than OSU's was not something I expected.


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[RedsBaron]

Bengals 2021 offensive line showed up to play for Alabama today.

Yep. Total Michigan domination.

[The Operator]

Michigan might not throw another pass. Why would they.

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Well nevermind.

[Hillsdale87]

It's still early, but my early read is that Ohio State is better than Alabama


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[Assembly Hall]

"Dynomite", JJ

[Boston Red]

That missed XP might be huge.

[The Operator]

It's still early, but my early read is that Ohio State is better than Alabama


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Yea, Alabama is just getting pushed around on both sides of the ball.


It was at least fairly evenly matched between OSU/UM.

[Roy Tucker]

UM showing speed I didn’t know they had.

[The Operator]

Bama makes it 13-10


Bama also gets the ball to start the 3rd. Better make some adjustments. Hopefully this is where having Nick Saban will pay dividends.

[kaldaniels]

There’s that damn dog again.

[RedsBaron]

I can't recall a Saban Alabama team ever getting beaten this bad in the trenches.

[RedsfaninMT]

If I'm Michigan, I'm nervous as hell. Up only 3 after dominating 'Bama in the first half might not turn out so great.

[dubc47834]

It's still early, but my early read is that Ohio State is better than Alabama


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Lol

[Hillsdale87]

Yea, Alabama is just getting pushed around on both sides of the ball.


It was at least fairly evenly matched between OSU/UM.

Michigan looks both more physical and more athletic. Bama is fortunate to have gotten that unforced turnover because they look pretty lost outside of that.


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[Sea Ray]

Michigan seems pretty superior now that they've settled in.

Tennessee looked better than Alabama at halftime too


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[Hillsdale87]

All season I thought the B10 defenses we're propped up by just playing bad teams, but between the way OSU dominated Missouri's offense and this first half, they might have been actually good.


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[Hillsdale87]

Tennessee looked better than Alabama at halftime too


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Well I'm hoping for a similar outcome [emoji1]


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[Roy Tucker]

I can't recall a Saban Alabama team ever getting beaten this bad in the trenches.

Alabama’s tackles are huge but look so slow. Michigan is just swarming the Bams offense.

[The Operator]

If you run it out of the end zone, you better be darn sure you’ve got the yardage out in front of you.

[The Operator]

How do you blow snaps on back to back plays? What in the world.


Brad St. Louis esque.

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What an absolutely brutal way to have a drive stall out after being so promising.

[RedsBaron]

Does Alabama only have one center on its roster?

[Boston Red]

Bama gave that drive away.

[Roy Tucker]

How do you blow snaps on back to back plays? What in the world.


Brad St. Louis esque.

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What an absolutely brutal way to have a drive stall out after being so promising.

Can a center get the yips? Apparently so.

Not used to seeing a Saban team so flawed.

[Boston Red]

Catch

[The Operator]

They’re gonna call that a catch. Lol

[Boston Red]

They’re gonna call that a catch. Lol

Mostly because it's a catch.

[Boston Red]

Orji should stay on the bench. Stupid having him out there.

[The Operator]

Let’s see if Alabama can complete a drive with no blown snaps.

[Boston Red]

Let’s see if Alabama can complete a drive with no blown snaps.

And no plays where four defensive linemen jump on the QB almost immediately after the snap.

[Boston Red]

Terrible third down play.

Michigan punt returner is a mess.

[The Operator]

Dangerous pass on 3rd down. That could easily be a pick 6.


We’ve got ourselves a Tressel-era game going now. Go figure.

[Todd Gack]

McCarthy doesn’t have much touch.

He throws like a 100mph fastball to his TEs on crossing routes.

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I have no idea how this is still a 3 point game.

[Boston Red]

Morgan is terrible today.

[The Operator]

Bama will have nice field position.

[The Operator]

Bama takes the lead.

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17-13 Bama after the PAT

[Todd Gack]

This feels like a classic Belichick/Brady game where the Patriots were being completely outplayed and yet somehow hung around and are now leading.

[Boston Red]

Alabama with the chance to salt it away.

[dubc47834]

Guess Bama made some adjustments at the half.

[The Operator]

Wow.

Just careless.

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Guess it was stripped. Either way though. Can’t let that happen.

[Todd Gack]

Is Zac Taylor calling plays for Michigan?

[The Operator]

Wow. Multiple lucky breaks for Bama after that turnover.


Still 17-13

[Todd Gack]

Worst part about that playcall is that Bama’s secondary had it completely covered.

[Roy Tucker]

Michigan needs a TD now.

[The Operator]

That kick looked like a miss until the very end.


20-13 Bama

[Sea Ray]

Michigan needs a TD now.

It’s all four down territory for them now


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[The Operator]

How do you let Corum get that wide open on a 4th down play.


Wow.

[RedsBaron]

Alabama should've been flagged on the prior play

[The Operator]

Nothing going right for Bama

[dubc47834]

This is the kind of game I wanted to see.

[The Operator]

Alabama should've been flagged on the prior play

Yea, not sure how they didn’t call that.

[Roy Tucker]

Tipped ball gets completed.

[dubc47834]

Td wolverines

[Assembly Hall]

That missed XP looming large.

[The Operator]

All tied up 20-20


Still time left. Can Bama pull it off in regulation?

[Roy Tucker]

Bama kicker has a big leg.

[Assembly Hall]

Time for a pick 6

[dubc47834]

Bama with a dud of a drive

[The Operator]

Michigan’s gonna win this.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan special teams. lol

[Roy Tucker]

Oh jeez. #26 just crapped his pants.

[dubc47834]

How do you not let that go

[The Operator]

There’s been kicks tonight that both teams should have let go.

[Roy Tucker]

That was a very odd TO by UM.

[The Operator]

Why on earth did Harbaugh call a timeout there.


Weird weird sequence of events.


Punter for Alabama may have saved the game to this point.

[Assembly Hall]

Why on earth did Harbaugh call a timeout there.


Weird weird sequence of events.


Punter for Alabama may have saved the game to this point.

The Michigan kicker has saved the game for Bama to this point.

[The Operator]

Jesus.


That barely took an effort.

[Roy Tucker]

Great run by Corum. Poor tackling by Alabama.

[The Operator]

What was that play call

[The Operator]

Parade of timeouts

[RedsBaron]

I was surprised by how resilient Michigan was.

[Assembly Hall]

Hail to the Victors!

[The Operator]

Fitting that a low snap was the ending.


Bama threw that game away.

[Roy Tucker]

They going to show a replay of that play?

[kaldaniels]

Well that ought to turn up the heat on the UM investigation.

[texasdave]

Yes!!!!

[Hillsdale87]

What a weird play call. Total disaster sequence starting inside the 10


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[Sea Ray]

Saban’s got no confidence in his QB. Wow


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[Boston Red]

I bet Michigan and obviously feel wildly lucky. One of those games so close that if you bet it you were wrong whether you won or lost. But glad to be wrong and win for once!

[pedro]

They’ll need to play better next week if they’re going to win.

And they’re lucky this is a weaker than normal Alabama team otherwise they’d never have overcome the number of mistakes they made.


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[Roy Tucker]

Saban ought to (tm) that disgusted p-o’ed look

[KoryMac5]

Entertaining game…lots of back and forth. Michigans D line is unreal.

[757690]

This game (and Georgia’s win over Florida State) tells me that the Alabama win over Georgia was a fluke, an anomaly, that screwed up the playoff rankings.

Georgia is best team in the country.

[RedTeamGo!]

Well I was definitely wrong.

With that said, that was the worst play call I have seen in some time. Wow.

[Playadlc]

This game (and Georgia’s win over Florida State) tells me that the Alabama win over Georgia was a fluke, an anomaly, that screwed up the playoff rankings.

Georgia is best team in the country.

Don't think it was a fluke, but yeah, UGA is the best team.

[The Operator]

Well I was definitely wrong.

With that said, that was the worst play call I have seen in some time. Wow.

There were multiple really goofy play calls by Bama in their last drive in regulation and then in overtime.

[Boston Red]

Go U-Dub!

[KronoRed]

Well I was definitely wrong.

With that said, that was the worst play call I have seen in some time. Wow.

Probably looked worse because Michigan had stolen the signs and knew it was coming :evil:

[Boston Red]

Nice start for Pennix and co.

[Roy Tucker]

Early in my career, I spent some time on the UT-Austin campus. By far, they have the best looking women.

[Boston Red]

Early in my career, I spent some time on the UT-Austin campus. By far, they have the best looking women.

Have you been to Ole Miss or Arizona State?

[Boston Red]

First to 50?

[Sea Ray]

First to 50?

This game’s going to be a track meet. Championship game next week will be quite the contrast in styles


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[Roy Tucker]

Have you been to Ole Miss or Arizona State?

Been to Ole Miss and yeah, they got a lot of nice girls. Never been to ASU. I’m sure they are fine as well. JMO about them Texas wimmen.

[westofyou]

Have you been to Ole Miss or Arizona State?

Gold Standard

San Diego too

[Boston Red]

Now the defenses are dominating!:)

[Roy Tucker]

Washington is looking pretty good.

And then they muff a punt. I’ll just be quiet.

[Boston Red]

No one can catch a punt today.

[pedro]

Have you been to Ole Miss or Arizona State?

I dated a former ole Miss cheerleader for a hot minute back in the 90’s.


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[Boston Red]

You've got Pennix and don't give him a shot in four plays? After a fifty yard bomb? Crazy.

[Boston Red]

Man, if they had been stopped on 4th again running up the middle...

[Boston Red]

Any of you Eastern time zoners going to make it to/through the second half? Late one.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I’m going to try…but it’s looking like 1am.

[Sea Ray]

Regarding that Citrus Bowl today, here's a good one:


You claim you are happy with Tennessee going 8-4, well Iowa is a step better than that.

https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?125325-2023-NCAA-Football-We-Don-t-Give-a-*Bleep*-For-the-Whole-State-of-Michigan&p=4655301&viewfull=1#post4655301

Anyone see that 5* Tennessee (backup) QB I was mentioning?


Great, if they have so many 5 stars and elite QBs then why is Tennesssee back to the last twenty years run of being a complete dumspter fire? Outside Bama and Georgia the SEC is pretty bad this year When Missouri or Ole Miss, who never beats anyone in a big game, are your #3 and #4 teams - blech...

The Big Ten West is boring football but it all changes when the Pac 12 powers come into the conference. Iowa is a decent team with an elite D. Fickell will have Wisconsin back in a year or two.

New Mexico State 31 Auburn 10

Auburn Vandy, Miss State, Arkansas, little USC, Florida and Kentucky are dreadful

Ga/Bama - osu/Mich

Missouri/Ole Miss - PSU/Iowa

Ole Miss beat PSU. You seriously think Iowa is at that level?

I was not even impressed with Iowa's defense. My Vols faced several defenses in the SEC that were better

[Sea Ray]

I’m going to try…but it’s looking like 1am.

I definitely am. This is a tradition for me. I prefer to take Jan 2nd off for that reason but that's not happening this year. I'll survive

[Revering4Blue]

Any of you Eastern time zoners going to make it to/through the second half? Late one.

As someone who no longer resides in the Eastern Time Zone - and have been fortunate enough to be able to set my own work schedule even when I lived in the Eastern Time Zone - it is simply indefensible to not begin these championship games two hours earlier.

It’s a Holiday, relatively few are working anyway - kudos to those who are/were - and are home.

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[Roy Tucker]

I’m retired. I can stay up as late as I want. I was up till 3 am last night so I slept in this morning (like 9 am, latest I’ve slept in like a year).

[BuckeyeRed27]

As someone who no longer resides in the Eastern Time Zone - and have been fortunate enough to be able to set my own work schedule even when I lived in the Eastern Time Zone - it is simply indefensible to not begin these championship games two hours earlier.

It’s a Holiday, relatively few are working anyway - kudos to those who are/were - and are home.

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It’s only because the Rose Bowl is completely precious about a 2pm local kick. This all would have started at least an hour earlier of it wasn’t for that.

[Sea Ray]

Sports Illustrated is also questioning that last play call from Alabama:

College Football Fans Could Not Believe Alabama’s Baffling Final Play to Lose the Rose Bowl


On Alabama’s last play in overtime, however, many college football fans were left stunned and confused at the Tide's gotta-have-it play-calling decision.

On a fourth-and-3, Milroe appeared to execute a quarterback draw that got stuffed at the line of scrimmage.

I didn't think the snap was bad enough to change the play so I disagree with this:


Upon closer inspection, the original call may have been different. Based on Alabama running back Roydell Williams's route, Milroe may have intended to throw a quick pass to Williams in motion, but Milroe received a low snap that caused him to abort the play and take it himself.

I agree with this from Mike Greenberg:


Nick Saban is the greatest coach in the history of the sport. But #Alabama offensive plan made no sense all night. And that last call was inexplicable.

https://twitter.com/Espngreeny/status/1741999562154283242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1741999562154283242%7Ctwgr% 5E7731ac8a11837fa3356fe59660a33ce1f93725ab%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege%2F2024% 2F01%2F02%2Fcollege-football-fans-could-not-believe-alabama-baffling-final-play-lose-rose-bowl

https://www.si.com/college/2024/01/02/college-football-fans-could-not-believe-alabama-baffling-final-play-lose-rose-bowl

[BuckeyeRed27]

The last play was an RPO. He was going to throw it out to his left to the RB for a TD. The snap was on the ground and it messed up the timing and he panicked and ran. The play call was good though. You look at the position of the running back at the snap vs the LB covering him, they had it.

https://x.com/adambreneman81/status/1742008550350528968?s=57&t=b_AOjynKS6hwc1niWEpfOg

Here’s the image

[Boston Red]

Washington's coach is aware he's allowed to keep riding Penix, right? Someone might need to tell him, honestly.

[oregonred]

Don't think it was a fluke, but yeah, UGA is the best team.

Osu fluke loss in the rain to MSU in 2015 and a horrible down year Big ten schedule kept out the most talented team and defending NC. The 12 team playoff should finally end this nonsense. And yes elimate the non Power 4 auto entry rule.

[Boston Red]

Penix's 3rd quarter is about as good a quarter of football as I've ever seen anyone play.

[Roy Tucker]

Washington's coach is aware he's allowed to keep riding Penix, right? Someone might need to tell him, honestly.

No kidding. 372 yards in 3 quarters. Turn him loose.

[Boston Red]

Texas somehow still right in this thing.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Penix's 3rd quarter is about as good a quarter of football as I've ever seen anyone play.

Ridiculous he wasn’t the Heisman winner

[Roy Tucker]

Osu fluke loss in the rain to MSU in 2015 and a horrible down year Big ten schedule kept out the most talented team and defending NC. The 12 team playoff should finally end this nonsense. And yes elimate the non Power 4 auto entry rule.

I went to that 2015 game at the Shoe. Most miserable game I’ve been to. It rained and rained and rained. And it was cold. And the game sucked. The buckeyes lost on a FG at the buzzer. Ugh.

[Roy Tucker]

That’s a fumble recovered by Washington.

[Boston Red]

I think Washington forgot to recover the ball here and cost themselves, because definitely a fumble.

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That’s a fumble recovered by Washington.

Hope you're right. Live I saw the UW guy pointing their way while the ball was still free. Not sure a quick enough recovery with the whistle blowing.

[Boston Red]

You nailed it!

[BuckeyeRed27]

Washington has played well but Texas is killing themselves.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I went to that 2015 game at the Shoe. Most miserable game I’ve been to. It rained and rained and rained. And it was cold. And the game sucked. The buckeyes lost on a FG at the buzzer. Ugh.

I was there too. I don’t think I’ve ever been that cold before or again.

It’s an interesting thought experiment though. If the 12 team playoff started when the bcs did, how many of the champions would be the same? I bet it’s about half.

[Roy Tucker]

Washington is letting Texas hang around.

[Boston Red]

Washington is letting Texas hang around.

Yep. Should have killed them when they had a chance. Texas is one play away from making Washington very uncomfortable.

[oregonred]

Less. You have to win 3 or 4 games now and attrition will also be an issue with injuries.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Got a game

[Boston Red]

Washington needs to drive it down for a score here if they want to win. A FG will suffice, but if Texas gets the ball back 34-28 it's trouble for them.

[Boston Red]

Three runs and a FG please!

[Roy Tucker]

Washington needs to learn to not take their foot off the gas pedal. Go for the throat.

[Boston Red]

Washington's coach is killing me. Why throw there?

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That should do it, but Texas still has two TOs after that weird throw.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Washington's coach is killing me. Why throw there?

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That should do it, but Texas still has two TOs after that weird throw.

Seems dumb, but baring something weird they got it

[Sea Ray]

The last play was an RPO. He was going to throw it out to his left to the RB for a TD. The snap was on the ground and it messed up the timing and he panicked and ran. The play call was good though. You look at the position of the running back at the snap vs the LB covering him, they had it.

https://x.com/adambreneman81/status/1742008550350528968?s=57&t=b_AOjynKS6hwc1niWEpfOg

Here’s the image

Go to YouTube and watch Saban’s press conference. It’s a 7 min video. Towards the end he talks about that play. He clearly says the play was a “Quarterback run”. Nowhere did he mention an RPO or that the snap affected the play


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[Roy Tucker]

They should win but weird things keep happening. Washington’s coach has let this get too close.

[Roy Tucker]

That’s a pretty weak defensive hold call. When the OL is tackling the pass rush.

[Boston Red]

Texas will have 20 seconds perhaps. More like 15 seconds.

[Sea Ray]

Washington is definitely the better team. Will be interesting to see what Michigan does with their offense. Penix is by far the best QB they’ve faced


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[Boston Red]

Washington injury gives Texas hope. That pass could still haunt Washington. Saved TX a timeout.

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And also should have taken a knee. Bad coaching.

[Roy Tucker]

Like I said, weird things can happen.

And fair catch interference for 15 yards. More weird.

[Boston Red]

Washington definitely blowing this. Their coach is 100% responsible.

[Roy Tucker]

Good lord.

[kaldaniels]

I have to say I always root for the team that has been outplayed to just rise up and steal it at the end…

[Sea Ray]

This is some kind of finish


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[Playadlc]

Washington definitely blowing this. Their coach is 100% responsible.

Literally a clinic on how to lose a game that was locked up. Unreal.

[Roy Tucker]

Washington fans have to be dying.

[Sea Ray]

I don’t think you can overrule this


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[Boston Red]

If Washington fired their coach tomorrow it would be justifiable.

[kaldaniels]

Player safety yada yada yada…

But at what point do you just realize an injury stoppage could cost you the game and you just have a couple of your big uglies drag the carcass off the field???

[Boston Red]

Is it over?

[kaldaniels]

Player safety yada yada yada…

But at what point do you just realize an injury stoppage could cost you the game and you just have a couple of your big uglies drag the carcass off the field???

Or just prop him up and call a timeout with a second left on the play clock….

[Boston Red]

Wow.

[kaldaniels]

Have to go to the middle of the field (to the goaline/end zone) on that set of downs….damn.

[Roy Tucker]

I really thought Texas was going to win.

Good throw but a heckuva play by the Washington DB.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Man what an insane finish.

[Sea Ray]

Incredibly bad play calling on those last 4 plays. Pretty much none of those 4 passes had a chance. At least give your guys a chance


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[kaldaniels]

I hate endzone corner routes/fades.

UT actually scored on one earlier but it is just so hard to complete a pass that way.

[Roy Tucker]

Penix is an amped-up guy.

[kaldaniels]

I would be in favor of some sort of rule where UW had a choice to run the clock down more after the injury stoppage.

[KronoRed]

All 4 of those last plays were bad.

[Playadlc]

Penix was unreal. Glad Deboar’s complete lack of game awareness didn’t cost them the game.

[Roy Tucker]

I would be in favor of some sort of rule where UW had a choice to run the clock down more after the injury stoppage.

Yeah. I certainly understand stopping the clock for the injured player. But once he’s off the field, start the clock back up. Not sure what to do with the play clock though.

[Playadlc]

The announcers in this game must be the two nicest people in the business. They just continue to avoid the miscues. Throwing on 3rd down instead of running the ball and forcing Texas to use their second time out. Running plays instead of taking knee. The kick interference. Should have been a zero stress win with them literally taking knees to run out the clock once they secured the onside kick.

[kaldaniels]

Yeah. I certainly understand stopping the clock for the injured player. But once he’s off the field, start the clock back up. Not sure what to do with the play clock though.

I'm just wondering if UW had any recourse there. Could the coach spot the injury and just tell the player to stay down and don't signal for the staff...and then the coach tells the ref he'll be calling TO with 1 sec left on the play clock....surely there was a way...

[Roy Tucker]

lol. I think they went a little overboard with the confetti.

[kaldaniels]

If you take a knee(s) on that final drive you still have to execute a punt and you give UT a couple plays on offense...can you really take a knee at that point.

(From a probability standpoint taking a knee is probably fine...but if you take a knee and then disaster strikes...uh oh...

[Boston Red]

Does Washington even go home? Or just straight to Houston? No school this week, and NO to Houston is a short jump.

[kaldaniels]

I'm officially annoyed about hearing "The Natty."

[Roy Tucker]

Does Washington even go home? Or just straight to Houston? No school this week, and NO to Houston is a short jump.

I’d assume they go back to Seattle to regroup. The game is still a week away.

Sean McDonough is the driest announcer around.

[Boston Red]

Michigan -5/55

[oregonred]

That's a rule that needs to change. Assuming player safety matters. Can't penalize a team inside 2 mins trying to run out the clock. Up 6. Three short QB dances and knees. Punt into the end zone and stands with 15-20 seconds left... thats what I was screaming at the TV. Well not really since it was 1230 and everyone else at the house was sleeping

[GAC]

Big Ten once again getting stomped by the SEC. Most of these games had the Big Ten as the higher ranked team. The media over ranks the Big Ten. If this trend continues, it doesn’t look good for Michigan tonight

And once again you're wrong. You are such a troll in these discussions. LMAO

Stomped? The B10 went 2-4 vs the SEC. And IMO, if OSU had their full squad vs Missouri, it would have been a 3-3 record. Most could give a damn about those other meaningless Bowl games, and even you said they would be hard to call because of the opt-outs. So go ahead and celebrate.

Overall, both the B10 and SEC finished 5-4.

The B10 won the one that matters. Is the SEC in the championship game? NOT! Sitting home watching with the rest of them.

And if Washington's HC calls a game like last night, we may be celebrating a B10 National Championship. Who cares about the rest. The SEC can have a winning record vs the B10 every Bowl season as long as we win the one that counts.

[Sea Ray]

And once again you're wrong. You are such a troll in these discussions. LMAO

Stomped? The B10 went 2-4 vs the SEC. And IMO, if OSU had their full squad vs Missouri, it would have been a 3-3 record. Most could give a damn about those other meaningless Bowl games, and even you said they would be hard to call because of the opt-outs. So go ahead and celebrate.

Overall, both the B10 and SEC finished 5-4.

The B10 won the one that matters. Is the SEC in the championship game? NOT! Sitting home watching with the rest of them.

And if Washington's HC calls a game like last night, we may be celebrating a B10 National Championship. Who cares about the rest. The SEC can have a winning record vs the B10 every Bowl season as long as we win the one that counts.

I’ll grant you that at full strength OSU likely beats Missouri. Will you admit that OSU is no worse than the #2 team in the Big Ten and Missouri is at best the SEC’s #3 team? The matchups favored the Big Ten in most games and they still lost. LSU sat their Heisman winning QB and their biggest play maker Nabers, and they still managed to win. Iowa wasn’t worthy of being on the same field with the Vols

As a Tennessee fan I love stomping on overrated slow plodding Big Ten teams in Bowl games. It becomes an annual ritual


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[Assembly Hall]

And once again you're wrong. You are such a troll in these discussions. LMAO

Stomped? The B10 went 2-4 vs the SEC. And IMO, if OSU had their full squad vs Missouri, it would have been a 3-3 record. Most could give a damn about those other meaningless Bowl games, and even you said they would be hard to call because of the opt-outs. So go ahead and celebrate.

Overall, both the B10 and SEC finished 5-4.

The B10 won the one that matters. Is the SEC in the championship game? NOT! Sitting home watching with the rest of them.

And if Washington's HC calls a game like last night, we may be celebrating a B10 National Championship. Who cares about the rest. The SEC can have a winning record vs the B10 every Bowl season as long as we win the one that counts.

Sea Ray ain't the only one that was wrong. Cracks me up. Hell, we got an all B1G final.

[Sea Ray]

Kudos to the CFP committee for giving us the best pair of semifinal games ever. Both games went down to the final play

I was surprised Alabama didn’t play better. Saban had a whole month to prepare and his team played like they did in the first half of the season. I figured they’d continue to improve and peak at the right time. They didn’t

Not to take anything away from Michigan. Their defense is impressive. I look forward to the matchup next Monday


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[Sea Ray]

Sea Ray ain't the only one that was wrong. Cracks me up. Hell, we got an all B1G final.

I’ve said for years that the Big Ten needs an influx of talent and they’re getting exactly that next year. They will finally be fun to watch. OSU will still have a really easy schedule but most B10 schools will not. If not for the incoming talent to the SEC the B10 would be for sure the best football conference next year. Yeah, the B10 will in a sense have their 4th college football championship in 28 years next week. Kudos


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[Sea Ray]

Actually I was being kind. Since OSU won it all in 1968, the Big Ten has won 3 nattys. Three. Alabama , LSU and Georgia have won the last 4 yrs


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[RedTeamGo!]

we may be celebrating a B10 National Championship.

No thanks

[Assembly Hall]

No thanks

Want some cheese to go with your whine? lol

[WVRed]

Want some cheese to go with your whine? lolI mean, if you consider Washington part of the B1G right now....

I'm pulling for Michigan just so it can get vacated.

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[RedTeamGo!]

Want some cheese to go with your whine? lol

What whine? I am just not rooting for Michigan. Do you honestly think Michigan fans root for Ohio State when they make the national championship?

[Roy Tucker]

In most years, I’d put aside my dislike for Michigan in the post season and mildly root for them. They are the Big 10 and the B1G needs all the help they can get. But their whining about “them against the world” and “nobody likes us” has grown waaay past tiresome. I just want someone to beat them to shut them up.

[RedTeamGo!]

Yep, that and how they keep talking about the "adversity" they have faced, as if they are the victims. THEY CHEATED.

[westofyou]

Yep, that and how they keep talking about the "adversity" they have faced, as if they are the victims. THEY CHEATED.

You wiffed magnificently on your prediction

Good times

[RedTeamGo!]

You wiffed magnificently on your prediction

Good times

Yeah, I already pointed that out, congrats on the vacated CFP win

[westofyou]

Yeah, I already pointed that out, congrats on the vacated CFP win

Thanks, hope you have great day too

[Roy Tucker]

College football barking and woofing. Love it. ;)

[BuckeyeRed27]

It will be interesting to see how Michigan handles Penix. He is in a different world than anything they’ve faced at the QB position this year. Washington will have some trouble slowing down Michigan running and Washington wasn’t efficient with their possessions last night and that has been a problem for them this season.

Still I like Washington to win it.

[Boston Red]

Alabama and Texas should play a consolation game next Monday afternoon. It would be exactly as meaningful as all the other bowl games played prior to the semifinals.

[westofyou]

It will be interesting to see how Michigan handles Penix. He is in a different world than anything they’ve faced at the QB position this year. Washington will have some trouble slowing down Michigan running and Washington wasn’t efficient with their possessions last night and that has been a problem for them this season.

Still I like Washington to win it.

Of course you do, you haven't picked UM to do anything at all this year but fail

Their QB is something else, got to wonder about a defense that gave up over 320 points though, also that RB they lost late in the game will need to come back to balance that offense

[BuckeyeRed27]

Of course you do, you haven't picked UM to do anything at all this year but fail

Their QB is something else, got to wonder about a defense that gave up over 320 points though, also that RB they lost late in the game will need to come back to balance that offense

I picked Michigan to win in our little board picks pool and said in this thread that I thought Michigan was better than Alabama but Bama would win because of Saban, which was right if Wilson doesn’t make a great play on a tipped ball. So spare me the whole Michigan man thing ok.

I do hope Washington wins so we don’t have a vacated champion since this is all getting wiped out for Michigan at some point.

[westofyou]

I picked Michigan to win in our little board picks pool and said in this thread that I thought Michigan was better than Alabama but Bama would win because of Saban, which was right if Wilson doesn’t make a great play on a tipped ball. So spare me the whole Michigan man thing ok.

I do hope Washington wins so we don’t have a vacated champion since this is all getting wiped out for Michigan at some point.

Michigan Man? I must have missed those words being typed today in my house.

[RichRed]

Yep, that and how they keep talking about the "adversity" they have faced, as if they are the victims. THEY CHEATED.

This was already a pet peeve of mine. I’d be in favor of striking “overcoming adversity” from the lexicon, just so I don’t have to hear every single coach and athlete say it.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Michigan Man? I must have missed those words being typed today in my house.

Call it whatever you want.

[Roy Tucker]

As much as I hate to say it, I think Michigan will win. I don’t see Washington’s defense being able to slow down UM’s ground game a whole lot. Penix will make it interesting because he’s fearless and if UM shoots themselves in the foot too much (they tried last night), it could swing the other way. Buuuut I think this is Michigan’s year.

[GAC]

I’ll grant you that at full strength OSU likely beats Missouri. Will you admit that OSU is no worse than the #2 team in the Big Ten and Missouri is at best the SEC’s #3 team? The matchups favored the Big Ten in most games and they still lost. LSU sat their Heisman winning QB and their biggest play maker Nabers, and they still managed to win. Iowa wasn’t worthy of being on the same field with the Vols

As a Tennessee fan I love stomping on overrated slow plodding Big Ten teams in Bowl games. It becomes an annual

7-5 Wisconsin was unranked, and they pit them against the #13 10-2 LSU, who was the #1 scoring offense in college football.

They had Iowa at #17, but they weren't favored vs the Vols. Check again.

#7 vs #9 and #10 vs #11. Pretty even matchups if you ask me. When they are that close those rankings mean very little to me. Pretty even matchups IMO. But again.

The ACC was 6-4 vs the SEC in the regular season, and 2-0 in the Bowl games vs SEC.

I've stated before that the SEC is still the #1 conference in the land. But their hold is quite tenuous IMO. They are starting to show chinks in their armor. It comes down to the battle of the elites. The B10 and Pac10 won, and the SEC lost.

I think a lot of these "elite" teams, in any conference, are going to get exposed when the playoff system is initiated.

[GAC]

What makes some OSU fans think that Michigan wins will be vacated this year? Based on what the media, and ESPN, has fed us? We don't have all the details or evidence before us. The NCAA investigation won't conclude till approximately May.

My "hatred" for Michigan has always been based on sports competitive aspect. Not some vitriol hatred. I don't get that addicted to sports anymore though. lol

[RedTeamGo!]

What makes some OSU fans think that Michigan wins will be vacated this year? Based on what the media, and ESPN, has fed us? We don't have all the details or evidence before us. The NCAA investigation won't conclude till approximately May.

My "hatred" for Michigan has always been based on sports competitive aspect. Not some vitriol hatred. I don't get that addicted to sports anymore though. lol

If Michigan doesn’t get the last three years vacated the NCAA is completely toothless now.

[GAC]

No thanks

And that's many B10 fan's problem. I'm sure there's no love lost between 'Bama and Georgia. But if I was a 'Bama fan, I'm not going to get pissed off and act childish because Georgia beat me and ended up winning a NC. To me that's just a big win for the conference I support. You go at it again next year.

I never agreed with Woody's over-the-top hatred for Michigan. Kind of ridiculous IMO. LOL

[pedro]

As much as I hate to say it, I think Michigan will win. I don’t see Washington’s defense being able to slow down UM’s ground game a whole lot. Penix will make it interesting because he’s fearless and if UM shoots themselves in the foot too much (they tried last night), it could swing the other way. Buuuut I think this is Michigan’s year.

Michigan is going to have to play a much tighter game than they did yesterday if they want to beat Washington.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan is going to have to play a much tighter game than they did yesterday if they want to beat Washington.

Washington better step up the defense.

[RedTeamGo!]

And that's many B10 fan's problem. I'm sure there's no love lost between 'Bama and Georgia. But if I was a 'Bama fan, I'm not going to get pissed off and act childish because Georgia beat me and ended up winning a NC. To me that's just a big win for the conference I support. You go at it again next year.

I never agreed with Woody's over-the-top hatred for Michigan. Kind of ridiculous IMO. LOL

Do you honestly think Michigan fans have been rooting for OSU the last 2 decades? Give me a break.

Also, the biggest issue I have with Michigan this year is that they have been cheating the last 3 years. They do not deserve to be playing for a national title. Its a joke.

[pedro]

Washington better step up the defense.

That'll be their issue for sure.

I'm a Michigan fan so I'm not saying this to be a hater. It's just that they walked all over Alabama yesterday and barely escaped with a win when then should have had that game put away early.

[WVRed]

Michigan is going to have to play a much tighter game than they did yesterday if they want to beat Washington.Past Bama teams would have throttled this Michigan team. The last two Georgia teams as well.

Michigan is sound in the trenches on both sides of the ball but they were susceptible to self inflicted mistakes.

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[GAC]

When it comes to total defense, Washington's not even on the radar! LOL

I think this is where the B10 shines in what they do best - pound the ball on the ground, and play defense. I glanced at the Huskie's schedule, and I don;'t think they faced a defense that was even close to a Michigan, OSU, or Penn State (top three defenses nationally). I have a lot of respect for Penix; but think he's going to have his hands full vs the Wolverine's defense.

[GAC]

Do you honestly think Michigan fans have been rooting for OSU the last 2 decades? Give me a break.

I don't care what Michigan fans did or didn't do, or how they feel (lol). I don't have a obsessive-compulsive behavior when it come to "the game". I love the competition, but it's a friggin football game. I know OSU fans right now who are beside themselves, in depression, over losing to Michigan. It's stupid IMO.


Also, the biggest issue I have with Michigan this year is that they have been cheating the last 3 years. They do not deserve to be playing for a national title. Its a joke.

Let them play. I'm content to let the NCAA do their investigation, gather/weigh all the evidence - we haven't seen it all - and then render a judgment. If it's grievous enough, and shows sound justification, then yes, vacate wins. I'm a patient man. I'm not exonerating Harbaugh/Michigan; but I am not a vindictive person either. I want ALL the facts discovered, nothing over-looked, and due process.

If it's there, Harbaugh/Michigan will get theirs.

[RedTeamGo!]

If it's there, Harbaugh/Michigan will get theirs.

They won't through, they will still claim it as a national championship.

All this will prove is that cheating works. I have a problem with that. Just like the 17 Astros.

[RedTeamGo!]

When it comes to total defense, Washington's not even on the radar! LOL

I think this is where the B10 shines in what they do best - pound the ball on the ground, and play defense. I glanced at the Huskie's schedule, and I don;'t think they faced a defense that was even close to a Michigan, OSU, or Penn State (top three defenses nationally). I have a lot of respect for Penix; but think he's going to have his hands full vs the Wolverine's defense.

What would Washington's defense ranking be if they played in the B1G this year, though? Instead they had to play against Oregon twice, USC with Caleb Williams, Wash St with a dynamic QB, so on and so forth.

[Boston Red]

If Michigan doesn’t get the last three years vacated the NCAA is completely toothless now.

The NCAA is completely toothless now.

[RedTeamGo!]

The NCAA is completely toothless now.

Touche

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With Michigan likely getting away with cheating en route to winning a national title, I see zero reason everyone else doesn't just go balls to the wall and cheat with regard to everything. The integrity of the sport is ruined.

Cheat, if you get caught, have all your buddies in the local and national media muddy the waters, suspend your coach for a few games (games only - he is still allowed to be at all practices leading up to games) and get away with it.

[Sea Ray]

7-5 Wisconsin was unranked, and they pit them against the #13 10-2 LSU, who was the #1 scoring offense in college football.

They had Iowa at #17, but they weren't favored vs the Vols. Check again.

#7 vs #9 and #10 vs #11. Pretty even matchups if you ask me. When they are that close those rankings mean very little to me. Pretty even matchups IMO. But again.

The ACC was 6-4 vs the SEC in the regular season, and 2-0 in the Bowl games vs SEC.

I've stated before that the SEC is still the #1 conference in the land. But their hold is quite tenuous IMO. They are starting to show chinks in their armor. It comes down to the battle of the elites. The B10 and Pac10 won, and the SEC lost.

I think a lot of these "elite" teams, in any conference, are going to get exposed when the playoff system is initiated.

The SEC was definitely down this year but even with that, it was "the #1 conference in the land". PAC was #2

B10 was strong as usual with Mich and OSU but as someone else stated here, the rest of the conference was "hot garbage".