2024 Cincinnati Bengals Part 2

[WVRed]

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[bucksfan2]

I don't mean to go all conspiracy theory here, but if you could script the KC/Cin game, would you do much different?

The game shows both on equal footing, Burrow being back, both teams going at it, both teams really not liking each other much. The flag gives KC the chance to hit a long FG to win the game, CBS gets the chance to pan to Taylor Swift in stands celebrating a win, its all there.

The problem I have with a lot of these bang bang calls, is the NFL has a direct line to the official. There are several times where you hear "replay assist" to change something pretty blatant. From my biased prospective, it was pretty much a jump ball thrown up late in the play. Similar to that of a Hail Mary thrown into the end zone where unless you outright tackle a guy there is no foul called. When a jump ball is thrown, you have to give the defender the ability to make a play on the ball. And the KC WR is moving backwards jumping into the Bengal defender who is jumping to make a play on the ball. IMO the NFL could have decided that it was a bang bang play with both people trying to make a play on the ball and picked the flag up. But that doesn't exactly fit the narrative the NFL wants, does it?

FWIW I think the Bengals will be just fine and think they can go on quite a roll from here on out.

[LiferJim]

The problem I have is, if you look at the last 4 or 5 years, in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more. Again, take a look at the penalties on their roads to the Super Bowls and it’s easy to understand why they always seem to get there.


I do blame the Bengals for having a rookie 7th round draft pick in the game on that play, when they are well under the salary cap, but regardless, that penalty would have never been called on the Chiefs and everyone knows that.

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[Sea Ray]

The problem I have is, if you look at the last 4 or 5 years, in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more. Again, take a look at the penalties on their roads to the Super Bowls and it’s easy to understand why they always seem to get there.


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This game ended the same way the AFC Championship game did a couple years ago. The Chiefs get a huge penalty that gets them into FG range. They kick it and win. I'm tired of that script. It's getting old

[LiferJim]

This game ended the same way the AFC Championship game did a couple years ago. The Chiefs get a huge penalty that gets them into FG range. They kick it and win. I'm tired of that script. It's getting old

It’s getting very old. I was in Louisville seeing my future in laws and left with 6 minutes to go, because I knew exactly how it would play out and I couldn’t stomach that.


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[Bob Sheed]

Seems like a lot of Mahommes' "game winning drives" are just long penalties and a FG.

Here's the nice thing though. If the NFL is indeed narrative "influenced," the narrative for the Bengals doesn't line up any better than it does this season. The SB is even in New Orleans. Best narrative SB opponent for the Bengals would be the 49ers. Chiefs/Bengals in the AFC Championship, in "State Farm Red" Arrowhead of course, Bengals win with a last second field goal.

Only problem is if the "3-peat" KC narrative + Taylor Swift narrative is more profitable.

[Redsfaithful]

Haven't ever seen Burrow as upset as he was in the post-game presser. Will be interesting to see how the team responds here.

[Rdirtypirates]

The problem I have is, if you look at the last 4 or 5 years, in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more. Again, take a look at the penalties on their roads to the Super Bowls and it’s easy to understand why they always seem to get there.


I do blame the Bengals for having a rookie 7th round draft pick in the game on that play, when they are well under the salary cap, but regardless, that penalty would have never been called on the Chiefs and everyone knows that.

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That seventh round pick locked Kelce up. It was a garbage call. He was playing the ball. Dude is legit.

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Haven't ever seen Burrow as upset as he was in the post-game presser. Will be interesting to see how the team responds here.

I personally see them responding with their first Super Bowl win.

[Redsfaithful]

Jordan Battle was one of their best defenders last year (according to PFF) and can't get on the field this year. Hope we find out what's going on there this week.

[RiverRat13]

I have concerns that Chase is going to be a head case all year.

[LiferJim]

That seventh round pick locked Kelce up. It was a garbage call. He was playing the ball. Dude is legit.

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I personally see them responding with their first Super Bowl win.

Oh, I watched the replay and it was a garbage call. Never in a million years would they call that on the NFL’s beloved Chiefs.

Not saying the kid isn’t legit, just a tough spot for any rookie and they are well under the salary cap.

Like you, I fully expect the Bengals to respond well.


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[Rdirtypirates]

Oh, I watched the replay and it was a garbage call. Never in a million years would they call that on the NFL’s beloved Chiefs.

Not saying the kid isn’t legit, just a tough spot for any rookie and they are well under the salary cap.

Like you, I fully expect the Bengals to respond well.


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I misspoke he played 8 snaps , but the call was still bad. Came back to erase but was too late. I thought he was on Kelce more.

[Chip R]

Perhaps the Bengals need to play better so officials's calls late in the game don't matter.

If they had played that well against the Patriots, they would have won that game.

They play/match up well against the Chiefs. They were also up for them. We'll see how well they play against teams they don't necessarily feel they have to get up for.

[Kingspoint]

I have concerns that Chase is going to be a head case all year.

He's way too "me" focused.

[Kingspoint]

Perhaps the Bengals need to play better so officials's calls late in the game don't matter.


That is the formula for beating the Chiefs. You can't just outplay them and expect to win. You have to outplay them to the point that the refs aren't able to be in a position to determine the outcome of the game. They actually did that with 4 Turnovers to none. That's a dominant performance. But, the refs took one turnover away. That one there was at least a 7-point swing which meant that the Bengals would have been operating with a double-digit lead for most of the game, making a FG attempt irrelevant.

The refs did a thorough hose job.

There was one 30-yard gain for the Chiefs that led to a TD for them where Hendrickson was held on the play and no call. That's another 7-point swing. So, the Bengals really outplayed them by about 17 points and should have easily won the game if not for the officials.

[KoryMac5]

He's way too "me" focused.

Pretty much every receiver out there is "me" focused...that's what makes them great they want the ball.

[Kingspoint]

The Bengals outplay the Chiefs enough to win by double-digits every single time, but the refs are always keeping it close for the Chiefs with bad calls and bad non-calls.

[Sea Ray]

That is the formula for beating the Chiefs. You can't just outplay them and expect to win. You have to outplay them to the point that the refs aren't able to be in a position to determine the outcome of the game. They actually did that with 4 Turnovers to none. That's a dominant performance. But, the refs took one turnover away. That one there was at least a 7-point swing which meant that the Bengals would have been operating with a double-digit lead for most of the game, making a FG attempt irrelevant.

The refs did a thorough hose job.

There was one 30-yard gain for the Chiefs that led to a TD for them where Hendrickson was held on the play and no call. That's another 7-point swing. So, the Bengals really outplayed them by about 17 points and should have easily won the game if not for the officials.

The Bengals had a huge turnover. A scoop and six after Burrow fumbled

[Betterread]

The Bengals had a huge turnover. A scoop and six after Burrow fumbled

That was the turning point in the game (along with the missed XP). McPherson and Burrow made critical mistakes that allowed the Chiefs to take the lead. On the play Burrow fumbled, I counted four chiefs that beat their blocker. Four out of five duels won. Burrow had to run for his life. He was tackled by two Chiefs and he didn’t protect the ball. But not sure I would blame him. Bengals need to lock up Chase and invest in the OL.

[LiferJim]

The Bengals outplay the Chiefs enough to win by double-digits every single time, but the refs are always keeping it close for the Chiefs with bad calls and bad non-calls.

Unfortunately it’s not just against the Bengals. Take a look sometime at the penalty differences on their roads to the Super Bowls and at the Super Bowls. It’s a joke and everyone knows it.


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[Rdirtypirates]

That was the turning point in the game (along with the missed XP). McPherson and Burrow made critical mistakes that allowed the Chiefs to take the lead. On the play Burrow fumbled, I counted four chiefs that beat their blocker. Four out of five duels won. Burrow had to run for his life. He was tackled by two Chiefs and he didn’t protect the ball. But not sure I would blame him. Bengals need to lock up Chase and invest in the OL.

The missed xp had zero outcome on the game except the Chiefs went for two and missed. If he makes it they kick the extra point. How someone can blame this on McPherson is crazy.

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Unfortunately it’s not just against the Bengals. Take a look sometime at the penalty differences on their roads to the Super Bowls and at the Super Bowls. It’s a joke and everyone knows it.


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Yep, I absolutely hate the Ravens and was talking to my brother how one sided it was called for the Chiefs and not the last play he was clearly out. This is a yearly thing and us getting absolutely ridiculous. The Tom Brady rule

[KoryMac5]

PFF grades from twitter

Trey Hendrickson 89.8
CTB 89.6
Germaine Pratt 83.9
Mike Gesicki 72.3
Vonn Bell 69.9

7 missed tackles by the D for the game.

[Sea Ray]

A Cincinnati sporting goods store is reacting to the controversial ending of the Cincinnati Bengals-Kansas City Chiefs game Sunday.

Koch Sporting Goods, which has been located in downtown Cincinnati since 1888, posted a photo of a mannequin sporting a black and white referee shirt with money in its pocket, a Kansas City Chiefs hat and a yellow flag in its hand.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2024/09/16/koch-sporting-goods-ref-shirt-chiefs-hat-money-bengals/75251073007/

[RiverRat13]

On the bright side, I think Erick All is going to turn out to be one of the better Bengals draft picks of the Burrow era.

[UKFlounder]

On the bright side, I think Erick All is going to turn out to be one of the better Bengals draft picks of the Burrow era.

I hope so. They need to start hitting on some picks, especially after the first 2 rounds. Tbey have not done so well in the Burrow era in later rounds.

[The Operator]

Boy it’d be nice to still have Jesse Bates around.

He just sealed a victory with an INT for Atlanta.

[Reds Freak]

I don't mean to go all conspiracy theory here, but if you could script the KC/Cin game, would you do much different?

The game shows both on equal footing, Burrow being back, both teams going at it, both teams really not liking each other much. The flag gives KC the chance to hit a long FG to win the game, CBS gets the chance to pan to Taylor Swift in stands celebrating a win, its all there.

The problem I have with a lot of these bang bang calls, is the NFL has a direct line to the official. There are several times where you hear "replay assist" to change something pretty blatant. From my biased prospective, it was pretty much a jump ball thrown up late in the play. Similar to that of a Hail Mary thrown into the end zone where unless you outright tackle a guy there is no foul called. When a jump ball is thrown, you have to give the defender the ability to make a play on the ball. And the KC WR is moving backwards jumping into the Bengal defender who is jumping to make a play on the ball. IMO the NFL could have decided that it was a bang bang play with both people trying to make a play on the ball and picked the flag up. But that doesn't exactly fit the narrative the NFL wants, does it?

FWIW I think the Bengals will be just fine and think they can go on quite a roll from here on out.

I think more than bias or conspiracy, NFL refs seem to have a tendency to insert themselves late in games more often compared to other sports.

You can't completely swallow your whistle in the last two minutes but too often questionable and strange late game calls are the bigger story in the NFL.

[bucksfan2]

I think more than bias or conspiracy, NFL refs seem to have a tendency to insert themselves late in games more often compared to other sports.

You can't completely swallow your whistle in the last two minutes but too often questionable and strange late game calls are the bigger story in the NFL.

I think being a ref is a very difficult job (and FWIW they should be full time employees) and do think its a good idea for them to be in constant contact with headquarters to help on easy calls. And I do agree that there is bias, just as there is in the rest of life. That said, being in contact with NY can lead conspiracies, and those will only grow as teams continue to get calls and others don't.

Yesterday I heard how the Chiefs "persevere" and how the Bengals made too many mistakes to win a game like that. The reality was it was one simple judgement that swung the game. The Chiefs persevered while not playing their best whereas the Bengals made too many mistakes. The NFL wants narrative, they want a story, and the Cheifs being on top make for good TV. While I think its getting old, the networks, social media, etc. all love to show Taylor Swift walking into the game, they like to pan to her in the stands, my kids and wife notice when then do that. While the NFL doesn't necessarily need extra publicity, they sure as heck know how to take advantage of that.

If that ref doesn't hold the flag, the narrative becomes the Chiefs made too many mistakes and the Bengals went into Burrowhead not playing their best and won.

[Bob Sheed]

If it's the main game on Sunday afternoon, Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football, or Thursday Night Football, if you are playing the KC Chiefs, you're going to need to beat the Chiefs and the refs.

It's possible, sure. And it's been done before, just not very often, because it's such a tall task.

Essentially, in high-viewership games like these:

KC's oline will be able to hold, false start, even lineup wherever it suits them. Illegal formation? What's that?
If you even look at Mahommes funny, that's 15 yards.

And, of course, you better never let it come down to the last minute with Mahommes. Because that's gonna be a penalty and FG, every time.

tl;dr KC Chiefs and State Farm have the same color scheme. It's hard to tell the commercials from the live action sometimes.

[MWM]

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This is also from that same play. I suppose that lineman is "perservering" there.

[LiferJim]

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This is also from that same play. I suppose that lineman is "perservering" there.

He’s not holding, he just has his arms completely wrapped around the defensive player. [emoji1787]


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[dubc47834]

The problem I have is, if you look at the last 4 or 5 years, in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more. Again, take a look at the penalties on their roads to the Super Bowls and it’s easy to understand why they always seem to get there.


I do blame the Bengals for having a rookie 7th round draft pick in the game on that play, when they are well under the salary cap, but regardless, that penalty would have never been called on the Chiefs and everyone knows that.

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39483957/super-bowl-kansas-city-chiefs-penalties-conspiracy

This article seams to debunk the referee angle for the Chiefs, at least for last season. 12 out of 17 regular season games the Chiefs were called for more penalties than their opponents. Also, only the New England Patriots and Chicago Bears saw fewer collective penalties against their opponents in the regular season. About 96% of penalties against Chiefs opponents happened before the final two minutes of a game.

[Kingspoint]

Jordan Battle was one of their best defenders last year (according to PFF) and can't get on the field this year. Hope we find out what's going on there this week.

DAIJAHN DÉJÀ VU

Anarumo is still bullish on rookie safety Daijahn Anthony even though on two of his nine snaps he had game-changing penalties. "He showed the ability in training camp. He showed the ability to go get the ball both in the preseason games, being around where he's supposed to be," Anarumo said. "He's athletic. He just has a nose for that part of the game. It would be foolish not to use him." "Two different guys. Totally different," Anarumo said. (Anthony) is a deep zone, rangy type guy. Jordan is more of an in-the-box guy. Not that he can't do the other things. Daijahn right now in our minds was the right guy at the right time. It just didn't work out."

His teammates also rallied to him as he wept in the postgame locker room. Ossai, who eerily went through the exact same thing in the same building after the 2022 AFC title game, went to him and recalled how he got past a roughing-the-passer call on Mahomes with 30 seconds left that led to another walkoff field goal. File it, fix it, forget it, Ossai basically told him. Also comforting him was his Ole Miss teammate, rookie edge Cedric Johnson. "I just grabbed him and came up and said, 'Hey, you'll come back and make a huge play for us, or more as the season goes on,''' Anarumo said. "So don't, don't hang your head. You just got nothing to do with one play. That's not how you win or lose your game.'''

https://www.bengals.com/news/pat-mahomes-salutes-trey-hendrickson-tee-higgins-trending-up-coaches-mates-rally-to-daijahn-anthony-quick-hits

[Kingspoint]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39483957/super-bowl-kansas-city-chiefs-penalties-conspiracy

This article seams to debunk the referee angle for the Chiefs, at least for last season. 12 out of 17 regular season games the Chiefs were called for more penalties than their opponents. Also, only the New England Patriots and Chicago Bears saw fewer collective penalties against their opponents in the regular season. About 96% of penalties against Chiefs opponents happened before the final two minutes of a game.

That's just a number that the refs can point to to try to debunk their obvious favoritism towards the Chiefs.

I knew when LiferJim stated that "in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more" was 100% wrong. LiferJim chose the wrong statement, but his inference that the refereeing was heavily favored towards the Chiefs were 100% correct. "Total Penalties" is never an indication of favoritism. Timeliness of penalties and timeliness of non-calls are all that matters, and the Chiefs are given the "timeliness" whenever it looks like they are going to lose a game. They were literally handed five wins last season that would have been losses and easily would have knocked them out of the playoffs with a sub-.500 record. And, that was just the regular season. They were then handed home-field advantage throughout the playoffs which gave them a huge edge. They should be 0-2 already this season. This is not a good team. They can't win enough games to make the playoffs without the help from referees.

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Boy it’d be nice to still have Jesse Bates around.

He just sealed a victory with an INT for Atlanta.

Falcons easily have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. They are a Super Bowl contender.

[Kingspoint]

Looks like the depth on the Defensive Line is going to get worse before it gets better.

With the Bengals defensive linemen falling like trees ever since training camp with the knee injury to third-round defensive tackle McKinnley Jackson, Anarumo really had to go to the well in Arrowhead. The other rookie tackle, Kris Jenkins Jr. (thumb) was out, as was edge Myles Murphy (knee). They lost starting tackle B.J. Hill and the other starting tackle Sheldon Rankins to hamstring injuries on Sunday. "A little rough. Tired," Ossai said. "But we had guys like (tackle) Zach Carter playing 15 snaps in a row. I'm not going to complain." Bengals head coach Zac Taylor had no update on the status of Hill and Rankins for next Monday night's game with Washington at Paycor Stadium, but says he's talking to the front office about possible replacements.

https://www.bengals.com/news/pat-mahomes-salutes-trey-hendrickson-tee-higgins-trending-up-coaches-mates-rally-to-daijahn-anthony-quick-hits

[Sea Ray]

Anyone know where Lapham's getting this?

Dave Lapham: NFL admits Mike Gesicki's touchdown shouldn't have been overturned


"Gesicki, he goes airborne, 6-6 vs. 6-1. Gotta give credit to the DB, stayed after it trying to punch it out of there and all of that," Lapham said. "He goes to the ground and eventually loses control. They say no touchdown, they overrule it. But the league has come out today and said it was a touchdown. They should not have overruled that thing."


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2024/09/15/dave-lapham-nfl-admission-mike-gesicki-overturned-touchdown-new-england-patriots-cincinati-bengals/75234603007/

[Kingspoint]

Anyone know where Lapham's getting this?

Dave Lapham: NFL admits Mike Gesicki's touchdown shouldn't have been overturned




https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2024/09/15/dave-lapham-nfl-admission-mike-gesicki-overturned-touchdown-new-england-patriots-cincinati-bengals/75234603007/

That was a 10-point swing in a game where the Bengals played from behind most of the game. Had it been tied after the first half who knows how that could have impacted play-calling later in the fourth quarter when they had to abandon a running game that was catching fire.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-reportedly-says-mike-gesicki-s-touchdown-shouldn-t-have-been-overturned/ar-AA1qAPM8

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[Kingspoint]

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[Kingspoint]

Looks like the depth on the Defensive Line is going to get worse before it gets better.

With the Bengals defensive linemen falling like trees ever since training camp with the knee injury to third-round defensive tackle McKinnley Jackson, Anarumo really had to go to the well in Arrowhead. The other rookie tackle, Kris Jenkins Jr. (thumb) was out, as was edge Myles Murphy (knee). They lost starting tackle B.J. Hill and the other starting tackle Sheldon Rankins to hamstring injuries on Sunday. "A little rough. Tired," Ossai said. "But we had guys like (tackle) Zach Carter playing 15 snaps in a row. I'm not going to complain." Bengals head coach Zac Taylor had no update on the status of Hill and Rankins for next Monday night's game with Washington at Paycor Stadium, but says he's talking to the front office about possible replacements.

https://www.bengals.com/news/pat-mahomes-salutes-trey-hendrickson-tee-higgins-trending-up-coaches-mates-rally-to-daijahn-anthony-quick-hits

The Bengals today made the following player moves:

**Signed free agent DT Lawrence Guy. Guy (6-4, 315), a 14th-year player out of Arizona State University, originally was a seventh-round draft pick of Green Bay in 2011. He has spent time on the active rosters of the Indianapolis Colts (2012-13), San Diego Chargers ('13-14), Baltimore Ravens ('14-15) and New England Patriots ('17-23). In 177 regular-season games played (122 starts), he has totaled 507 tackles (271 solos), 39 TFLs, 17.0 sacks, 10 PDs, one INT, two FFs and six FRs. He also has played in 13 postseason games (nine starts). Guy was released by the Patriots in February.

**Waived DE KJ Henry. Henry, a second-year player, was acquired on waivers by the Bengals on Aug. 28. He played in each of the team's first two regular-season games (no statistics).

**Released WR Shedrick Jackson from the practice squad. Jackson, a first-year player, originally was a college free agent signee of the Bengals in 2023.

The Bengals' practice squad currently is one spot shy of the 16-player limit.

[Kingspoint]

I'm going to guess, or at least I hope, K J Henry is added to that last practice squad spot. But, with many teams needing D-Line help because of injuries, it's likely that another team picks him up first.

If he's not added, then I hope that's because Myles Murphy is ready to be activated.

[Boss-Hog]

I'm going to guess, or at least I hope, K J Henry is added to that last practice squad spot. But, with many teams needing D-Line help because of injuries, it's likely that another team picks him up first.

If he's not added, then I hope that's because Myles Murphy is ready to be activated.Murphy (and McKinnley Jackson) can't be activated from IR prior to the conclusion of the fourth game.

[Rdirtypirates]

That's just a number that the refs can point to to try to debunk their obvious favoritism towards the Chiefs.

I knew when LiferJim stated that "in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more" was 100% wrong. LiferJim chose the wrong statement, but his inference that the refereeing was heavily favored towards the Chiefs were 100% correct. "Total Penalties" is never an indication of favoritism. Timeliness of penalties and timeliness of non-calls are all that matters, and the Chiefs are given the "timeliness" whenever it looks like they are going to lose a game. They were literally handed five wins last season that would have been losses and easily would have knocked them out of the playoffs with a sub-.500 record. And, that was just the regular season. They were then handed home-field advantage throughout the playoffs which gave them a huge edge. They should be 0-2 already this season. This is not a good team. They can't win enough games to make the playoffs without the help from referees.

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Falcons easily have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. They are a Super Bowl contender.

The numbers did change during the playoffs. However, the sample size is too small to be conclusive, and it's important to note that penalties per game trended downward during playoff games across the league, according to ESPN's analysis.

In all three postseason games, the Chiefs received fewer flags than their opponents, seeing their lowest percentage all season during the AFC Championship Game, when they had three penalties and the Baltimore Ravens had eight.
This was in the article.

For one I would call playoff games big games and how is the playoffs not the biggest games. Also, to dub this is one season of data. A blind man can see the big calls almost always go the Chiefs way. One year of regular season data almost proves the point that they get the calls in the playoff games or do they suddenly become more disciplined. Pretty obvious to me when you get to hold on every play and get to call your own penalties or replay downs. Name another team that gets that treatment besides when Brady got it.

[LiferJim]

That's just a number that the refs can point to to try to debunk their obvious favoritism towards the Chiefs.

I knew when LiferJim stated that "in every big game the Chiefs rarely have any penalties called on them. The numbers don’t lie and typically, just like yesterday, the other teams have double the amount of penalties or more" was 100% wrong. LiferJim chose the wrong statement, but his inference that the refereeing was heavily favored towards the Chiefs were 100% correct. "Total Penalties" is never an indication of favoritism. Timeliness of penalties and timeliness of non-calls are all that matters, and the Chiefs are given the "timeliness" whenever it looks like they are going to lose a game. They were literally handed five wins last season that would have been losses and easily would have knocked them out of the playoffs with a sub-.500 record. And, that was just the regular season. They were then handed home-field advantage throughout the playoffs which gave them a huge edge. They should be 0-2 already this season. This is not a good team. They can't win enough games to make the playoffs without the help from referees.

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Falcons easily have the best Safety tandem in the NFL. They are a Super Bowl contender.

Look at the Chiefs penalties in playoff games vs their opponents the last 4 years. Include the super bowls games and you will see a big disparity in the amount of penalties on each team. I did it last year, before last year’s playoffs and wasn’t shocked.

I agree, it’s way more than the number of penalties called. Like life, timing is everything


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[Sea Ray]

It's not the number of penalties. It's when they're called. It's often at critical times like 3rd/4th down and in the last minute or so of the game

[LiferJim]

It's not the number of penalties. It's when they're called. It's often at critical times like 3rd/4th down and in the last minute or so of the game

Agree, but the number of penalties in the playoff games and super bowls, has more often than not, been very disproportionate, along with the timing of those calls


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[RichRed]

Expect the Bengals to get well against Washington’s defense. It is B-A-D. Looks like they’re playing with only 8 guys out there or something.

[bucksfan2]

It's not the number of penalties. It's when they're called. It's often at critical times like 3rd/4th down and in the last minute or so of the game

There are penalties that are pretty much cut and dry. Off sides, false starts, blatant holdings, etc. Then there are penalties that are more judgement calls, you know you can call holding on every single play in football, but when do those holding penalties get called? There was a WEAK illegal touching penalty on Kelce that did take an INT off the board for the Bengals.

How many times do we see a defensive holding called to extend a drive on 3rd and 12 when the ball is thrown on the other side of the field. The 5 yard automatic first downs are killers in football. It seems (and I don't have raw data) the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt on those calls more often than not.

[Chip R]

I will admit that it appears that the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt on a lot of calls. But what I can't figure out is why. They aren't in a major market. Until recently they haven't won a Super Bowl since 1970. They certainly had some very good teams since then but really not great since the last 8-10 years. Very passionate fans but that can be said about most NFL teams. The Taylor Swift thing only started last year and they have been getting calls long before that. Mahomes is pretty media friendly. He's on a lot of commercials but he's certainly not alone there.

[dubc47834]

The numbers did change during the playoffs. However, the sample size is too small to be conclusive, and it's important to note that penalties per game trended downward during playoff games across the league, according to ESPN's analysis.

In all three postseason games, the Chiefs received fewer flags than their opponents, seeing their lowest percentage all season during the AFC Championship Game, when they had three penalties and the Baltimore Ravens had eight.
This was in the article.

For one I would call playoff games big games and how is the playoffs not the biggest games. Also, to dub this is one season of data. A blind man can see the big calls almost always go the Chiefs way. One year of regular season data almost proves the point that they get the calls in the playoff games or do they suddenly become more disciplined. Pretty obvious to me when you get to hold on every play and get to call your own penalties or replay downs. Name another team that gets that treatment besides when Brady got it.

I understand that data was only for last season, the part of the article I quoted stated that. I also understand that if there truly is some favoritism going the Chiefs way, that just shear numbers of penalty's isn't the best way of proving/debunking that theory. I do think it goes a long way tho, just my personal opinion.

[Bob Sheed]

I will admit that it appears that the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt on a lot of calls. But what I can't figure out is why. They aren't in a major market. Until recently they haven't won a Super Bowl since 1970. They certainly had some very good teams since then but really not great since the last 8-10 years. Very passionate fans but that can be said about most NFL teams. The Taylor Swift thing only started last year and they have been getting calls long before that. Mahomes is pretty media friendly. He's on a lot of commercials but he's certainly not alone there.

There's no one else even close to the media saturation that Mahommes has. And that is not even taking into account the TSwift factor. KC, and particularly Mahommes, is a walking, talking brand identifier for billions of advertising dollars. Billions, with a B. If Mahommes looks bad, State Farm looks bad, for example. And now, also, when KC loses, Taylor Swift fans don't get the happy feelings and happy T Swift camera shots throughout the game.

Brady was a walking billboard for many companies as well, and he was treated just like Mahommes is (like a extra-protected class)... sort of. But Mahommes in on a whole other level there. He's a protected class to a degree the NFL has never seen before.

Mahommes doesn't even need game winning drives anymore. Just chuck it and wait for the PI call, or tuck and run and wait for the 15 yarder if anyone looks at him funny or whatever.

[Chip R]

There's no one else even close to the media saturation that Mahommes has. And that is not even taking into account the TSwift factor. KC, and particularly Mahommes, is a walking, talking brand identifier for billions of advertising dollars. Billions, with a B. If Mahommes looks bad, State Farm looks bad, for example. And now, also, when KC loses, Taylor Swift fans don't get the happy feelings and happy T Swift camera shots throughout the game.

Brady was a walking billboard for many companies as well, and he was treated just like Mahommes is (like a extra-protected class)... sort of. But Mahommes in on a whole other level there. He's a protected class to a degree the NFL has never seen before.

Mahommes doesn't even need game winning drives anymore. Just chuck it and wait for the PI call, or tuck and run and wait for the 15 yarder if anyone looks at him funny or whatever.

I think one of the advantages Mahomes has over every other QB except for Lamar, Dak and Josh Allen is consistency. Not as being consistent with his stats, which he certainly is. But consistency as in staying healthy and staying with one team.

[KoryMac5]

I think one of the advantages Mahomes has over every other QB except for Lamar, Dak and Josh Allen is consistency. Not as being consistent with his stats, which he certainly is. But consistency as in staying healthy and staying with one team.

Agreed 100% his health has been huge for that franchise...and the fact that he has played against the AFC West his entire career...30-5 lifetime.

[Chip R]

Agreed 100% his health has been huge for that franchise...and the fact that he has played against the AFC West his entire career...30-5 lifetime.

Yeah. That division hasn't been the strongest so playing them six times a year doesn't hurt much like Brady was able to play the AFC East six times a year.

[bucksfan2]

I will admit that it appears that the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt on a lot of calls. But what I can't figure out is why. They aren't in a major market. Until recently they haven't won a Super Bowl since 1970. They certainly had some very good teams since then but really not great since the last 8-10 years. Very passionate fans but that can be said about most NFL teams. The Taylor Swift thing only started last year and they have been getting calls long before that. Mahomes is pretty media friendly. He's on a lot of commercials but he's certainly not alone there.

Mahomes may be the biggest star in the game today, that goes a long way towards getting calls.

But to add to it, the AFC Championship Trophy is called the Lamar Hunt Trophy. I believe Lamar Hunt was one of the founding members of what the NFL is today. They have always been a favorite organization.

The NFL doesn't need markets with what they have created, they need stars.

[Roy Tucker]

Reading an article about Lamar Hunt, he bought the franchise for the Dallas Texans (who became the Kansas City Chiefs) for $25,000 in 1960. The Texans were one of the 8 original AFL teams. The AFL and NFL merged in 1970 to form the modern day NFL.

The Chiefs are worth about $4.85B now.

[Kingspoint]

I don't think the Bengals would have placed Myles Murphy on IR (can't come back before Week 5) if they knew they'd lose so many along the D-Line this early.

Murphy should be ready sooner than Week 5, but he'll have to wait.

With 6 IR designations left, they'll likely not place either Hill or Rankins on IR and just wait it out hoping one or both can return in four weeks or less.

In the meantime, that was a really good add regarding Lawrence Guy, a solid Veteran who didn't make the New England squad only because of a new Head Coach. If Belichick was still there, he'd probably be Starting for New England right now. Also, the Cowboys place on IR DT Jordan Phillips and Indy placed DT DeForest Buckner on IR. With both of those teams (and others) needing help at DT, the timing of adding DT Lawrence Guy couldn't have been better (though maybe two weeks ago would have been better, but that would have required one more person to be released off the 53-man roster).

[Kingspoint]

Murphy (and McKinnley Jackson) can't be activated from IR prior to the conclusion of the fourth game.

Thanks. I didn't know that. Just wonder if they would have IR'd him had they known they'd lose so many linemen. I understand his injury recovery would have had him ready sooner than Week 5.

[Kingspoint]

Expect the Bengals to get well against Washington’s defense. It is B-A-D. Looks like they’re playing with only 8 guys out there or something.

They say Carolina is a mess (our opponent next week), but I think the Washington organization is a much bigger mess. I'm not so convinced about what I hear about the Panthers. Just think it was a bad choice to take Bryce Young and that's set them back five years (wasted the McCaffery trade). Benching him is at least steering the organization in the right direction and let's them work on developing everyone else, which is much more important right now than Young. Dalton will help with that.

[Kingspoint]

I will admit that it appears that the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt on a lot of calls. But what I can't figure out is why. They aren't in a major market. Until recently they haven't won a Super Bowl since 1970. They certainly had some very good teams since then but really not great since the last 8-10 years. Very passionate fans but that can be said about most NFL teams. The Taylor Swift thing only started last year and they have been getting calls long before that. Mahomes is pretty media friendly. He's on a lot of commercials but he's certainly not alone there.

The Chiefs have been a fan favorite for quite a long time. You only need to look at some of the marquee names that have been there. They've been to 6 Super Bowls and won 4. They were good long before Mahomes ever got there. Andy Reed is 130-51 in K. C. Dick Vermeil, Marty Schottenheimer, Hank Stram. That's a Who's Who of Head Coaches.

Len Dawson led the way before Schottenheimer made winning teams out of Marcus Allen and QB's Steve DeBerg, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac. Vermeil, Trent Green, Tony Gonzalez and Priest Holmes had high-powered Offenses leading fans to Fantasy Football League Championships for half a decade. Larry Johnson followed Priest Holmes as the over-matched (and most over-rated Head Coach of all-time) Herm Edwards did his best to destroy everything that was built up before him. Jamal Charles bridged the gap of Edwards to Reid as the Chiefs continued to run out league-leading Runningbacks in Total Yardage year after year. Andy Reid did the best he could with Alex Smith before he got just what he wanted in Mahomes.

It's a franchise that since Fantasy Football was introduced has always had premier Fantasy Football players.

And, many people like to be followers of teams because they don't want to root for someone else. Those who want to root against the Raiders and John Elway and the Broncos are going to naturally drift towards the Chiefs. The Jets and Giants were so bad for so long that the entire New England area that didn't want to root for the Patriots were set up well towards leaning to the Chiefs.

Before Andy Reid got there, the Chiefs finished 1st or 2nd in their Division 14 times from 1989 to 2012, all starting when Schottenheimer got there. Reid finished 2nd his first 3 seasons and hasn't finished anything but 1st the last 9 seasons. You could argue that the Chiefs are the most successful franchise in the AFC since 1989. My nephew, from Connecticut, has a Chiefs tattoo on his leg, something he's had for more than a decade.

Because of all of the big names this franchise has had, they sell a lot of jerseys.

Patrick Mahomes
Travis Kelce
Tyreke Hill
Kareem Hunt
Isaiah Pacheco
Jamaal Charles
Dwayne Bowe
Larry Johnson
Priest Holmes
Marcus Allen
Tony Gonzalez
Joe Montana
Trent Green (all he did was throw for 4000 yards every year before others began doing it)
Christian Okoye
Carlos Carson (3 1000-yd seasons)

Now, with Taylor Swift adding jersey sales (who knows how many followers of hers are going to buy Chiefs' jerseys who otherwise could care less about the NFL, and now they do) adding revenue to the NFL, the Chiefs have become the most popular team in the NFL.

CBS announced that Sunday’s Bengals-Chiefs game drew an average of 27.8 million viewers, making it their most-watched September game since 1998—26 years ago!

Paramount+ reported the game to be its most streamed game of all time.

It was the most watched telecast on any single network since Super Bowl LVIII.


Let's face it.


It's the Kansas City Chiefs World and we're all just living in it.

To defeat them, you've got to defeat them AND the refs. Bengals outplayed the Chiefs by 14+ points and still it wasn't enough. Ravens outplayed them the week before, but it wasn't enough. Five teams in the regular season last year outplayed them, but it wasn't enough.

[RichRed]

They say Carolina is a mess (our opponent next week), but I think the Washington organization is a much bigger mess. I'm not so convinced about what I hear about the Panthers. Just think it was a bad choice to take Bryce Young and that's set them back five years (wasted the McCaffery trade). Benching him is at least steering the organization in the right direction and let's them work on developing everyone else, which is much more important right now than Young. Dalton will help with that.

Definitely not a bigger mess than Carolina, not after they finally got Snyder out of there. It’ll take a while to remove his stench but Josh Harris is an upgrade, they got a GM (Adam Peters from SF), and fired the ghost of Ron Rivera. Not saying they’ll be winning Super Bowls anytime soon, and I’m not sold on Dan Quinn, but fans have hope for the first time in forever. David Tepper shot to the top of the Worst NFL Owner list once Snyder slithered away.

[Kingspoint]

Definitely not a bigger mess than Carolina, not after they finally got Snyder out of there. It’ll take a while to remove his stench but Josh Harris is an upgrade, they got a GM (Adam Peters from SF), and fired the ghost of Ron Rivera. Not saying they’ll be winning Super Bowls anytime soon, and I’m not sold on Dan Quinn, but fans have hope for the first time in forever. David Tepper shot to the top of the Worst NFL Owner list once Snyder slithered away.

Appreciate the update.

[Kingspoint]

Also, while the Patriots won the Super Bowls, they didn't sell the Jerseys.

Other than Brady and Moss (for a very short time), there just weren't the Stars.

If you drafted any Patriot (non-Brady) on your Fantasy team you were surely not going to win any Championships, as Belichick always kept people guessing on who is going to get the ball from week to week. More often than not, you'd guess wrong, just like Belichick's opponents.

[LiferJim]

Also, while the Patriots won the Super Bowls, they didn't sell the Jerseys.

Other than Brady and Moss (for a very short time), there just weren't the Stars.

If you drafted any Patriot (non-Brady) on your Fantasy team you were surely not going to win any Championships, as Belichick always kept people guessing on who is going to get the ball from week to week. More often than not, you'd guess wrong, just like Belichick's opponents.

Unless you drafted Wes Welker in a PPR league.


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[Kingspoint]

Unless you drafted Wes Welker in a PPR league.


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Welker, for sure. Usually made sure that I had him.

[LiferJim]

Welker, for sure. Usually made sure that I had him.

Hated the Patriots, but loved that guy. He was tough as nails and lived in the middle of the field, knowing he would get drilled.


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[Kingspoint]

Hated the Patriots, but loved that guy. He was tough as nails and lived in the middle of the field, knowing he would get drilled.


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In a PPR league, which at the time, only about half the leagues were, he was money...stayed on the field, got more catches than anyone else, and was also targeted around the goalline. Can't ask for anything more.

[Kingspoint]

I'm pretty excited about having Lawrence Guy join the Bengals' Defense.

Lou's got to love it.

An excerpt from Hobson's article on him...

"So ironic. I got the call Monday and had to go quick. And that's the day my wife's car broke down," Guy said. "My kids (the two oldest are 7 and 5) packed my bag. I was able to get in here Monday night."

"I might not have been in a training camp, but that didn't mean I did train like I wasn't in a camp. Two or three hours five days a week. When you get the call, you want to be prepared. If you get the call, you want to be prepared so I don't let down the people who gave me the call."


That's a guy I want around players like Murphy, Hill, Carter, Tufele, Ossai, Johnson, Davis, Rogers and Thomas.

[Kingspoint]

Of course it's Anarumo's Defense that does it again.

In Arrowhead, Mahomes throws for the fewest yards in his entire career (games he's finished). Ever!

Add in the four turnovers (one taken away with a call that just never gets made), and Anarumo's Defense thoroughly dominated the Chiefs.

And, that was with a Defense severely short-handed on the Defensive Line.

[Kingspoint]

Rankins, Higgins, Mims, Gesicki and Bell each got in a limited practice.


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[texasdave]

It appears as though Higgins will be Teeing it up come Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-get-positive-injury-update-on-star-wide-receiver/ar-AA1qRmRo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=9fd51f7ad8a8404e8ffb7867ced12299&ei=27

[Bob Sheed]

If this isn't a "get right" game I don't know what is.

Strike Early, go up by 4 TDs, and sit the starters. Easy Peazy.

[Kingspoint]

If this isn't a "get right" game I don't know what is.

Strike Early, go up by 4 TDs, and sit the starters. Easy Peazy.

I wish they would, but they never sit the Starters. I hope they understand the grind of a 21-game season. They need to sit the Starters as much as possible.

[Kingspoint]

If this isn't a "get right" game I don't know what is.

Strike Early, go up by 4 TDs, and sit the starters. Easy Peazy.

ESPN's Fantasy Football analyst has Chase rated as the #1 overall non-Quarterback this week and Burrow as the #1 Quarterback. This guy is expecting a line from Joe of 24 for 30, 315 yards, 3 TD's, with chase grabbing 12 of 14 targets for 165 yards and 2 TD's.

[Kingspoint]

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[Kingspoint]

A Higgins/Chase/Burrow Offense is impossible to defend, and now that we have Gesicki and Moss, it has a two new elements it didn't have before. Gesicki and Moss don't have near the value without both Chase and Higgins opening things up.

Now all Burrow has to do is find the single-coverage Receiver and hit him. They'll be plenty of options for him.

[Kingspoint]

In four seasons with the Bengals, safety Vonn Bell has never missed a game. After missing Friday's practice with a back issue, his status was in question. He did go limited Thursday.

[Kingspoint]

Hobson's take on the injury front...

Sophomore Jordan Battle is listed as Bell's backup and he did start the second half of last season. Rookie safety Daijahn Anthony has played in the dime package. In a pinch, there's also Dax Hill, who took more than 1,000 snaps at safety last year, but they love what he's doing as a starting cornerback.

It looks like the Bengals are going to play Monday night the way they ended Sunday's game. Depleted on the defensive line. Starting defensive tackles B.J. Hill and Sheldon Rankins have yet to practice this week with hamstring injuries. After playing a combined 77 snaps last Sunday, look for Zach Carter and Jay Tufele to play a ton again. This time they should get some relief from 14-year veteran Lawrence Guy who signed Tuesday. He probably can't give them much since he didn't have training camp, but it's going to be a lift whatever it is. Left end Sam Hubbard, who dipped into tackle for batches of the game Sunday, and practice squad promotions could also be on the table. It's unclear if rookie D-Tackle Kris Jenkins Jr. is an option to make his NFL debut Monday. He has been limited with a club after having thumb surgery a few weeks ago.

Gesicki ( calf) was limited again Friday, as was rookie right tackle Amarius Mims (pectoral).

https://www.bengals.com/news/tee-higgins-plans-to-return-ja-marr-chase-s-plans-include-return-to-big-plays-quick-hits

[Kingspoint]

I'm going to guess, or at least I hope, K J Henry is added to that last practice squad spot. But, with many teams needing D-Line help because of injuries, it's likely that another team picks him up first.


Sep 20, 2024 at 10:30 AM

The Bengals today signed DE KJ Henry to the practice squad. Henry, a second-year player, spent the first two games of this season on the Bengals' active roster. He was waived Tuesday and cleared waivers Wednesday.

[Sea Ray]

It appears as though Higgins will be Teeing it up come Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-get-positive-injury-update-on-star-wide-receiver/ar-AA1qRmRo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=9fd51f7ad8a8404e8ffb7867ced12299&ei=27

Actually come Monday


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGw_hrlaOY

[Kingspoint]

Great news here...

Full Practices today for Mims, Higgins, Jenkins and Gesicki. We could see the NFL debuts of Jenkins and Mims.

The bad news...Rankins, Hudson and Hill did not practice again, but we knew we'd be without them. Hopefully can get about 10 plays from Lawrence Guy and 10 plays from Jenkins. Anything will help.

Also, Vonn Bell did not practice again, but no designation is given on his status. He's a gamer and I expect him to play.

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[Kingspoint]

I saw Bell is listed as questionable.

A tidbit from DT Kris Jenkins on newly acquired Lawrence Guy...

Jenkins says Guy has fit right in. "He's already teaching us a lot of stuff," Jenkins said. "His energy resonates in the room already."

[Bob Sheed]

I saw a lot of pretty average QBs look pretty good this weekend.

If the offense comes out and poops the bed again tonight, I think some really tough questions need to be asked.

[Redsfaithful]

Need to jump out to a lead to hide the run defense while they wait for that to get healthier.

Burrow is going against a weak pass defense so conditions are favorable. Should feel much easier than what they saw last Sunday.

[Kingspoint]

I saw a lot of pretty average QBs look pretty good this weekend.

If the offense comes out and poops the bed again tonight, I think some really tough questions need to be asked.

Since this is the first game of the season that the Offense will have Higgins AND Chase, it's highly unlikely that "pooping" will occur. Stopping Burrow whenever he has both Chase AND Higgins is an impossible task. You might be able to stop the points for a series or two, but eventually, there are going to be some big plays that lead to TD's. Bengals should score at least 3 TD's and score at least 5 times (out of 10 drives where there's time to score before half or end-of-game).

[Kingspoint]

Need to jump out to a lead to hide the run defense while they wait for that to get healthier.

Burrow is going against a weak pass defense so conditions are favorable. Should feel much easier than what they saw last Sunday.

Washington's gameplan will be to try to control the clock and keep Cincinnati to just 9 drives that have time to score points. Keep the ball out of Burrow's hands. Easier said, than done. Eventually, Washington will have to throw the ball, and that will lead to turnovers by the Bengals' opportunistic Defense.

Bengals 27
Washington 16

[Kingspoint]

Head Coach Brian Callahan's Tennessee Titans...

Week 1 TEN 17, CHI 24
Week 2 NYJ 24, TEN 17
Week 3 GBP 30, TEN 14

Couldn't win in September when he was the O.C. in Cincy, either.

[Redsfaithful]

Washington's gameplan will be to try to control the clock

The Patriots definitely gave the NFL a blueprint, but should be a lot tougher to execute as the offense rounds into shape.

I'm excited to see Mims tonight!

[Kingspoint]

The Patriots definitely gave the NFL a blueprint, but should be a lot tougher to execute as the offense rounds into shape.

I'm excited to see Mims tonight!

I'm guessing it's the same gameplan as always...being short-handed on the Defensive Front, but with Corners not quite ready to go one-on-one, they will still have to run 2-Deep Safeties, which will allow WAS to move the ball until the field gets shorter and into the redzone, where one Safety can get closer to the LOS and help with the run defense. Give up FG's. Don't give up TD's.

[redsfan39]

Chase 41-yard TD

[Roy Tucker]

Nicely done. Just what they needed. Commanders single cover Chase, Burrow sees it, and boom.

[LiferJim]

Very nice seeing that play action!


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[Roy Tucker]

Someone want to tell Pratt where the line of scrimmage is.

7-7.

[UKFlounder]

First to 30 points wins?

[Redsfan6272]

I'm tired of this defense coordinator.. how can your defense look so beat almost on every play? Then 57 has no eyes to see he is over the line off sides??

[RedsManRick]

O-line is giving Burrow all day. Shame the defense can't tackle.

[Roy Tucker]

Some busted coverages by the Bengals that they are lucky to get away with.

[UKWhoDey]

Definitely not impressed with our defense thus far this season.

[LiferJim]

Definitely not impressed with our defense thus far this season.

They are horrific


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[Kilgore_Trout]

Defense looks putrid

[Playadlc]

Have to consider firing Anarumo.

Two years in a row his defense is simply trash.

[Redsfan6272]

Time to fire this defense coordinator. I'm sick of the lack of the defense looking lost and getting beat off the ball.

[Kingspoint]

Vonn Bell may be playing, but he's not playing effectively.

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Time to fire this defense coordinator. I'm sick of the lack of the defense looking lost and getting beat off the ball.

They held Mahomes to his lowest passing total of his entire career last season.

[KoryMac5]

D has turned into pumpkins since they lost Bates...Rankins and Hill being out really hurts tonight.

[Kingspoint]

Have to consider firing Anarumo.

Two years in a row his defense is simply trash.

They held Mahomes to his lowest passing total in his career...and at Arrowhead.

[KoryMac5]

Looks like the Mims era starts tonight...

[The Operator]

You can set your watch to a big sack in the red zone.


Trent Brown appears to be hurt.

[The Operator]

Typical drive stall.

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14-10 after the FG

Won’t matter much if the defense can’t stop anything.

[Roy Tucker]

Fast game.

[Redsfan6272]

You can set your watch to a big sack in the red zone.


Trent Brown appears to be hurt.

His knee gave out on him blocking

[The Operator]

This secondary is god awful.

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They double team McLaurin and still get scorched.

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And Daniels literally walks in for a TD.


This is not a playoff team, folks.

[Roy Tucker]

Bengals are in big trouble tonight.

[Redsfan6272]

Defense coordinator better be fired after this game.. what a joke

[Playadlc]

Vonn Bell may be playing, but he's not playing effectively.

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They held Mahomes to his lowest passing total of his entire career last season.

They only play well against the Chiefs. Are utterly horrible against everyone else.

[RiverRat13]

The whole point of signing Geno Stone was to prevent the big play. He's been bad so far.

[Redsfan6272]

Bengals giving alot of money out.. can't see them keeping this coaching staff if they fail to make the playoffs again

[The Operator]

Bengals allow Washington to score on their first 3 drives for the first time since 2015z

This is after allowing the first 400 yard offense game to the Steelers in years last season.

[LiferJim]

Bengals giving alot of money out.. can't see them keeping this coaching staff if they fail to make the playoffs again

Using that 16 million they are under the cap, could have helped the defense.


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[The Operator]

Zac’s red zone play calling is hot garbage.

[Wonderful Monds]

Zac Taylor’s teams are just incapable of making their red zone appearances count

[The Operator]

21-13

[Hillsdale87]

Nobody on this team is good enough. Defense is terrible, Burrow leaving points on the field, Mac is sloppy. Total team failure


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[Hillsdale87]

Zac’s red zone play calling is hot garbage.

There were easy completions on second and third down, and Burrow made horrible throws on both


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[The Operator]

Better get a stop out of halftime or this bad boy might as well be over.

[WVRed]

They only play well against the Chiefs. Are utterly horrible against everyone else.Bengals were 5-0 at home in prime time under Zac.

That includes the Dolphins, Rams, Bills, Jaguars and Steelers.

KC has always been the 4:25 game.

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[Oxilon]

Bengals giving alot of money out.. can't see them keeping this coaching staff if they fail to make the playoffs again

You do realize this is the same front office/owner that employed Marvin Lewis for over half of a generation with no playoff wins, right?

[oregonred]

Burrow plenty of time but leaving points all over the field.

This Swiss cheese defense...

[The Operator]

Hahahaha you can’t make this up.


Kickoff return to the Bengals 33.

[LiferJim]

Hahahaha you can’t make this up.


Kickoff return to the Bengals 33.

This team is totally unprepared, AGAIN


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[Wonderful Monds]

Better get a stop out of halftime or this bad boy might as well be over.


https://youtu.be/Ptdo4Mfox-I

[The Operator]

CTB with a back breaking auto first down penalty.


Just put them out of their misery.

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This entire defense is trash.

[Roy Tucker]

Bengals have no pass rush. And a lousy secondary.

TD Commanders. Ugh.

[Playadlc]

This is absolutely embarrassing.

[The Operator]

Stick a fork in ‘em

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6u459HiBLlPvdc7f74ZEtmcspVMICJ Jewfw&s


What an absolute clown show.

[Wonderful Monds]

They’re gonna miss the playoffs this year. Taylor has to go, there’s always some stupid reason things are firing on zero cylinders for the first month, month and a half.

We’re supposed to be a ****ing Super Bowl contender.

[The Operator]

They’re gonna miss the playoffs this year. Taylor has to go, there’s always some stupid reason things are firing on zero cylinders for the first month, month and a half.

We’re supposed to be a ****ing Super Bowl contender.

Yea, he’s gotta go. This is stupid.

I don’t care if the players love him. I bet they hate losing more than they like Zac.

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And immediately Burrow is sacked.


Pathetic in every way.

[The Operator]

Even that first down to Tee was a wobbly ass pass.

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Burning a timeout already.

Jesus.

[Redsfan6272]

Somebody better be getting fired after this game. This is a joke to every season look like they never practiced and prepared out the gate!!

[The Operator]

Great throw, Joe.

Ugh.

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A TD!!! Barely a TD, but I’ll take it.

Probably won’t matter with this defense.

[Roy Tucker]

TD Bengals but Joe isn’t making it easy on his receivers.

[The Operator]

28-20

We’ll see if the defense has even one stop in them.

[Hillsdale87]

I don't know if the wrist is a problem, but Burrow is not elite right now. If he completes a couple easy passes it's 28-28 right now. That throw to Higgins was awful


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[The Operator]

TD Bengals but Joe isn’t making it easy on his receivers.

The throw to Tee was awful, and no idea why they threw short of the goal line on 4th down. I thought they had him stopped.

Really sloppy but at least they punched it in.

[Wonderful Monds]

Cool TD but damn why are we hanging on with Washington by our fingernails

[The Operator]

Easy first down on the first play.

This defense doesn’t have a stop in them I’m afraid.


And this is the team that couldn’t score a single touchdown against the Giants.

[Hillsdale87]

This college offense is causing some problems


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[The Operator]

You just knew they’d give that 3rd down up.

[Roy Tucker]

Daniels deked Ossai out of his jock.

[RiverRat13]

Lamar is going to run for 100 yards against the Bengals both games.

[Redsfan6272]

Time for a new set of defense coaches..

[The Operator]

This college offense is causing some problems


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I hated when Eli Apple talked smack but at least the unit as a whole was good back then.


Cam really needs to shut the hell up.

[Wonderful Monds]

The league has figured out Lou, yeah

[Playadlc]

Lou can not survive this. He just can't.

[The Operator]

You just knew they were picking that fourth down conversion up.

[Roy Tucker]

Hey, an incomplete pass!!

[Wonderful Monds]

Lou can not survive this. He just can't.

It’s kinda funny to look back on freaking out about losing him to another team lol

[The Operator]

Held them to a FG, getting awfully late though.

31-20, 2 score game

Need TD’s from the offense

[Roy Tucker]

Those Bengal red zone failures in the first half are going to be the difference in this game.

[The Operator]

Chase!!!!!

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Now THAT was a drive.

[Playadlc]

Burrow isn't f'ing around anymore.

[The Operator]

How the hell was that not DPI on the 2 point try?

I swear these refs are useless.

[Hillsdale87]

Clear PI. It would be really great to have a call go our way in a crucial spot.


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[The Operator]

Need an actual stop from the defense here.

Can’t even give up a field goal. Force a punt.

[Roy Tucker]

Borderline PI on that 2 pt try. I guess the refs are letting them play tonight.

Hopefully, Washington tries to run more and stops throwing. Hopefully.

[Wonderful Monds]

NFL refs are goddamn incompetent losers

[The Operator]

False start Washington.

I’ll take whatever I can get to back them up.

[pedro]

Borderline PI on that 2 pt try. I guess the refs are letting them play tonight.

Hopefully, Washington tries to run more and stops throwing. Hopefully.

Not even borderline.

But they’ve put themselves in this position

[The Operator]

Ughhhhh so close to a fumble recovery.

[Roy Tucker]

Bengals just can’t get the Commanders offense off the field.

[The Operator]

Pathetic pathetic pathetic defense

[The Operator]

Finally a sack!!!

[Playadlc]

You have got to be kidding me.

[Roy Tucker]

Uncontested soft coverage on 4th down. Yeeesh.

[The Operator]

Short of a fumble or INT it’s over.

[LiferJim]

Uncontested soft coverage on 4th down. Yeeesh.

Pathetically soft coverage


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[RedTeamGo!]

Gotta say, I was not expecting Daniels to pan out, and he still might not, but he looks really good.

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NFL refs are goddamn incompetent losers

I honestly don’t mind the non call there. Burrow held on to the ball forever, I feel like refs allow DBs to be more physical when that happens.

[Hillsdale87]

Uncontested soft coverage on 4th down. Yeeesh.

After about 5 missed tackles on the previous 2 plays


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[Roy Tucker]

Dax Hill.

[Playadlc]

Oh. My. God.

Fire Lou now.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh my what a throw and catch. Scary Terry is absurd.

[The Operator]

Hahahahahaha

Washington only had 10 guys on offense and they still give up a bomb for a TD.


Pathetic.

[Kilgore_Trout]

Lol

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh. My. God.

Fire Lou now.

Come on man, that was just a ridiculous play by Daniels and McLaurin, give some credit where it’s due.

[LiferJim]

Let’s face it, Lou has been terribly out coached!


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[pedro]

On the bright side my Sunday’s just freed up this fall.

[Playadlc]

Come on man, that was just a ridiculous play by Daniels and McLaurin, give some credit where it’s due.

LOL. You have watched this entire game, correct?

[Hillsdale87]

I did not expect the season to be over this quickly. Front office needs to start planning how to fix this defense in the offseason


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[The Operator]

Come on man, that was just a ridiculous play by Daniels and McLaurin, give some credit where it’s due.

They’ve been giving up incredible plays all game.

This is the same defense who gave up the first 400 yard offense game to the Steelers in multiple seasons last year. Lou’s gotta go.

[LiferJim]

Yes, on the bright side, I still have my Buckeyes and hunting season starts this Saturday!!


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[RedTeamGo!]

LOL. You have watched this entire game, correct?

Yeah defense has been bad, I was referring to your response to that specific play.

[Wonderful Monds]

They blew up Daniels and he still dropped an absolute megaton bomb on us, while having a man short on his offense lmfao

[Kilgore_Trout]

On the bright side my Sunday’s just freed up this fall.

That’s where I am. There are always silver linings.

[RiverRat13]

Lot to complain about tonight but that was the right call by Lou on 3rd down. Just a perfect throw and catch.

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean, that’s what happens when you line up an overrated Michigan safety as a CB against a great Buckeye WR, though.

[Playadlc]

When was the last time a defense had no stops in an NFL game and the team scored on every possession?

[Roy Tucker]

Don’t know why Lou waited so long to start blitzing. But the Bengals D is terribly outmanned. Injuries hurt them, sure. But their roster was thin to begin with. Kinda like the Reds.

At least I’ve got the Buckeyes still.

[The Operator]

Cam Taylor Britt deserves to be fined for having the nerve to talk trash and then perform so badly.

[Roy Tucker]

Does the NFL still have onside kicks? Kickoffs have gotten so goofy.

[The Operator]

Why is Burrow even out there?

Dont get him hurt. It’s over.

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lol so NOW we get a flag in the end zone

[Playadlc]

Burrow and the offense played very well tonight.

[The Operator]

What on earth was that onside kick attempt?

[Playadlc]

Lou needs fired tomorrow morning.

[Roy Tucker]

No turnovers or punts.

[The Operator]

Lou needs fired tomorrow morning.

Hell no, do it tonight.

Announce it at the postgame. This was embarrassing.


Highest completion % by a rookie in a game ever.

[RiverRat13]

This feels like the Reds where the knee-jerk reaction is to blame the coaches but the real issue is the lack of talent acquisition. There's one difference maker on defense, three solid guys, and the rest are backups on good teams.

You could fire Zac and/or Lou tomorrow and I wouldn't care, but I also doubt it would make much of a difference.

[Sea Ray]

Hell no, do it tonight.

Announce it at the postgame. This was embarrassing.


Highest completion % by a rookie in a game ever.

And they were short, wide open easy ass completions

[UKFlounder]

Burrow and the offense played very well tonight.

Late in the game, but too many FG attempts early. Even Washington recognized the need for Touchdowns. Zac is too reliant on McPherdon

[pedro]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen my team play worse defense.

And I went to Ohio University in the 1980’s

[The Operator]

And they were short, wide open easy ass completions

Truly harrowing to watch.

This is the worst Bengal defense I’ve ever seen.

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Late in the game, but too many FG attempts early. Even Washington recognized the need for Touchdowns. Zac is too reliant on McPherdon

Yea, leaning on your kicker only works when you can actually trust your defense.

[RiverRat13]

Late in the game, but too many FG attempts early. Even Washington recognized the need for Touchdowns. Zac is too reliant on McPherdon

They didn't punt and they didn't turn it over. That should be enough offense to win 99 times out of 100.

[Ky Fried Redleg]

When was the last time a defense had no stops in an NFL game and the team scored on every possession?

The year my dad was born...1940.

[The Operator]

This is very likely a 10-loss team. Probably worse.

[RiverRat13]

This is very likely a 10-loss team. Probably worse.

'21 and '22 were great but barring a miracle this year, those are the only playoff appearances in the last nine seasons. At some point there should be heat on Duke and the comically small scouting staff.

[Redsfaithful]

I've for sure seen much worse Bengals defenses than this (pick any from 1997 - 2002), but it's not pretty.

Bad defense last year and they got worse, so I guess here we are. Going to be a long season and another wasted year for Burrow.

I was optimistic but I should really know better by now as a Cincinnati sports fan.

[Playadlc]

This feels like the Reds where the knee-jerk reaction is to blame the coaches but the real issue is the lack of talent acquisition. There's one difference maker on defense, three solid guys, and the rest are backups on good teams.

You could fire Zac and/or Lou tomorrow and I wouldn't care, but I also doubt it would make much of a difference.

Lou is really bad. Always has been.

2019: 29th overall / 25th scoring / 26th sacks / 28th turnovers / 25th 3rd down
2020: 26th overall / 22nd scoring / 32nd sacks / 27th turnovers / 20th 3rd down
2021: 18th overall / 17th scoring / 12th sacks / 17th turnovers / 22nd 3rd down
2022: 16th overall / 6th scoring / 29th sacks / 11th turnovers / 20th 3rd down
2023: 31st overall / 21st scoring / 18th sacks / 12th turnovers / 22nd 3rd down
And 2024 is worse.

He's not the guy. Zero chance he's maximizing our talent. He had some great plans against Mahomes, which I'm grateful for, but outside of that's he's been a disaster. Bengals need to move on. And they need to do it now.

[RiverRat13]

Lou is really bad. Always has been.

2019: 29th overall / 25th scoring / 26th sacks / 28th turnovers / 25th 3rd down
2020: 26th overall / 22nd scoring / 32nd sacks / 27th turnovers / 20th 3rd down
2021: 18th overall / 17th scoring / 12th sacks / 17th turnovers / 22nd 3rd down
2022: 16th overall / 6th scoring / 29th sacks / 11th turnovers / 20th 3rd down
2023: 31st overall / 21st scoring / 18th sacks / 12th turnovers / 22nd 3rd down
And 2024 is worse.

He's not the guy. Zero chance he's maximizing our talent. He had some great plans against Mahomes, which I'm grateful for, but outside of that's he's been a disaster. Bengals need to move on. And they need to do it now.

Again, they could move on and I wouldn't complain. But at the same time you have to recognize that the defensive line last night was Trey H and a bunch of guys who are practice squad level players. That includes Hubbard, who looked washed last season and is now embarrassing himself this season. Not one of those guys who played last night outside of Trey would be active on a decent defense.

[WVRed]

I know this isn't going to happen but I am now firmly in the Team Belichick camp.

Fire Zac and Lou after the season, bring in Belichick under the condition that Dan Pitcher is kept as offensive coordinator. Give him complete reign though on defense and invest accordingly.

To me Zac and Burrow are at a crossroads where Jim Mora and Peyton Manning were before Mora was fired and Dungy was brought in. Zac has taken them as far as he can. If not Belichick it needs to be a proven coach who is chasing a ring and not some up and coming coordinator. The foundation is in place but a defensive minded coach who will leave the offense alone is what we need right now.



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[The Operator]

I know this isn't going to happen but I am now firmly in the Team Belichick camp.

Fire Zac and Lou after the season, bring in Belichick under the condition that Dan Pitcher is kept as offensive coordinator. Give him complete reign though on defense and invest accordingly.

To me Zac and Burrow are at a crossroads where Jim Mora and Peyton Manning were before Mora was fired and Dungy was brought in. Zac has taken them as far as he can. If not Belichick it needs to be a proven coach who is chasing a ring and not some up and coming coordinator. The foundation is in place but a defensive minded coach who will leave the offense alone is what we need right now.



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As much as I loathe Bill, I’d be up for that or something similar.

The “player friendly coach”stuff only works when you’ve got pros who don’t abuse it and show up prepared to play the game. The annual slow starts combined with early game struggles and having to catch up even when winning shows that this coaching style isn’t really getting it done.

The Bengals really could use an old school coach.

[bucksfan2]

Bill has been pretty mediocre at best without Brady. I can't believe I am saying this, but I want nothing to do with him.

I find it interesting that the D could execute such a good gameplan against the Cheifs but look so terrible against the Commanders.

They may have dug too big of a hole to craw out of this season.

[MWM]

I'm definitely in the minority, but I like Lou. To me, he's shown that he's a good tactical defensive coordinator. Even last week, he pretty much stifled Patrick Mahomes most of the game.

I think this is all front office, and maybe injuries. In my view, they had a good couple of years, some of which is dumb luck...like being able to draft Burrow and Chase. In 2020-21 they added DJ Reader and Hendrickson and a couple of other improvements. But they've drafted horribly for 3 straight years now and have invested nothing on the D line. This is the worst D line in the league most likely, and I can't remember a line being worse than this one except maybe the years that led them to the top of the draft board. The playoff runs chaged the narrative that Tobin is now running things and is much better than his predecessorts. I don't think his record is impressive at all taken as a whole.

Outside of Hendrickson, they don't have any players on defense considered "really good", IMO. Wilson and Pratt are solid, but nothing more than above average. CTB is also pretty good, but nowhere near top tier corner status. He's gotten burned bad on key plays the last 2 weeks. Outside of those guys, there's some guys with potential, but that's it. There's a lot of bad on that side of the ball, so I don't think there's a coordinator out there that could turn this into even an average defense.

Tobin is like Baalke here in Jax, enamored with tools and potential above actual performance. I could not believe they passed up on Joey Porter Jr for Myles Murphy, who was never more than a high potential guy. And I was floored when Baalke went with Travon Walker over Hutchinson. That's a tendency that has doomed many GMs and one that's hard to change in them. They see these guys and salivate. The smart GMs have seen too many Walkers and Murphys and know better.

I also think looking at that side of the ball, Chase feels more like a luxury than a necessity. They have to spend on defense if they want any chance at all to be real contenders. Last night is a perfect example. Burrow and Chase had great games, but it didn't matter. If they spend all their money on offense, last night is what we're going to see for the forseeable future, IMO.

[RiverRat13]

I'm definitely in the minority, but I like Lou. To me, he's shown that he's a good tactical defensive coordinator. Even last week, he pretty much stifled Patrick Mahomes most of the game.

I think this is all front office, and maybe injuries. In my view, they had a good couple of years, some of which is dumb luck...like being able to draft Burrow and Chase. In 2020-21 they added DJ Reader and Hendrickson and a couple of other improvements. But they've drafted horribly for 3 straight years now and have invested nothing on the D line. This is the worst D line in the league most likely, and I can't remember a line being worse than this one except maybe the years that led them to the top of the draft board. The playoff runs chaged the narrative that Tobin is now running things and is much better than his predecessorts. I don't think his record is impressive at all taken as a whole.

Outside of Hendrickson, they don't have any players on defense considered "really good", IMO. Wilson and Pratt are solid, but nothing more than above average. CTB is also pretty good, but nowhere near top tier corner status. He's gotten burned bad on key plays the last 2 weeks. Outside of those guys, there's some guys with potential, but that's it. There's a lot of bad on that side of the ball, so I don't think there's a coordinator out there that could turn this into even an average defense.

Tobin is like Baalke here in Jax, enamored with tools and potential above actual performance. I could not believe they passed up on Joey Porter Jr for Myles Murphy, who was never more than a high potential guy. And I was floored when Baalke went with Travon Walker over Hutchinson. That's a tendency that has doomed many GMs and one that's hard to change in them. They see these guys and salivate. The smart GMs have seen too many Walkers and Murphys and know better.

I also think looking at that side of the ball, Chase feels more like a luxury than a necessity. They have to spend on defense if they want any chance at all to be real contenders. Last night is a perfect example. Burrow and Chase had great games, but it didn't matter. If they spend all their money on offense, last night is what we're going to see for the forseeable future, IMO.

Agree with all of this but your last point. You don't let blue chippers walk away. True blue chippers rarely see free agency, and the Bengals aren't going to give the guaranteed money necessary to get top-flight free agents. They can sign Chase and still have a ton of cap space next year if they make the decisions that most franchises would make, such as cutting guys like Hubbard and Cappa (and they should at least consider cutting Rankins and Stone). Chase is a difference maker on a team that basically only has 2.5 of them (Burrow, Chase, and Trey H on passing downs). And his extension will be like Burrow's where by the time it actually starts having big cap numbers, the cap will have gone up enough that it won't be as big of a percentage as it looks like it will today.

They kind of had a once in a lifetime run in free agency in 2020 and 2021 where they signed mid-level guys to build a solid defense. I don't think that is a good long term strategy. Heck, they were extremely lucky that Carl Lawson turned them down before free agency or they never would have signed Hendrickson to begin with. So when you have a stud, you keep them. They just have to start drafting better if they are going to be contenders.

[KoryMac5]

Goodberry's point on Twitter is valid: Name a player they have drafted on Defense since Burrow has been here who is Pro Bowl caliber.

Point once the QB gets expensive you have to draft well the Bengals have failed to do so.

[RiverRat13]

Goodberry's point on Twitter is valid: Name a player they have drafted on Defense since Burrow has been here who is Pro Bowl caliber.

Point once the QB gets expensive you have to draft well the Bengals have failed to do so.

The Chiefs's total cap hit for their defense is $75mm compared to the Bengals' $113mm. The difference is Kansas City has nailed the draft to build an excellent defense. The Bengals have not.

[MWM]

Agree with all of this but your last point. You don't let blue chippers walk away. True blue chippers rarely see free agency, and the Bengals aren't going to give the guaranteed money necessary to get top-flight free agents. They can sign Chase and still have a ton of cap space next year if they make the decisions that most franchises would make, such as cutting guys like Hubbard and Cappa (and they should at least consider cutting Rankins and Stone). Chase is a difference maker on a team that basically only has 2.5 of them (Burrow, Chase, and Trey H on passing downs). And his extension will be like Burrow's where by the time it actually starts having big cap numbers, the cap will have gone up enough that it won't be as big of a percentage as it looks like it will today.

They kind of had a once in a lifetime run in free agency in 2020 and 2021 where they signed mid-level guys to build a solid defense. I don't think that is a good long term strategy. Heck, they were extremely lucky that Carl Lawson turned them down before free agency or they never would have signed Hendrickson to begin with. So when you have a stud, you keep them. They just have to start drafting better if they are going to be contenders.

I agree in principle and not long ago I wouldn't have argued the point. But when you think about it, the chiefs let a blue chip receiver walk in Tyreek Hill and won 2 straight super bowls. The Bills let Diggs go and their offense looks better now than they ever did with Diggs. I just think the price tag for top tier receivers has grown much more than the incremental value you get from them vs the next option. I would expect there to be a market correction at some point...not to the point where RBs are, but I think it levels off and maybe even goes down. In a vaccum, yeah, you pay Chase, but yto look at the entirety of the roster. I'm not sure they can afford it. I hope they prove me wrong. I love Chase.

[RiverRat13]

The last homegrown Bengal to make the Pro Bowl on defense was Burfict, who was an UDFA in 2012. The last Bengal who was drafted by the team to make the Pro Bowl was Geno, who was drafted in 2010 (Dunlap was also drafted in 2010). According to Marvin Lewis, Duke was given the final say in personnel matters (including the draft) in 2011. So Duke has yet to draft a Pro Bowl defender in more than a decade.

[bucksfan2]

Goodberry's point on Twitter is valid: Name a player they have drafted on Defense since Burrow has been here who is Pro Bowl caliber.

Point once the QB gets expensive you have to draft well the Bengals have failed to do so.

Its pretty accurate. I think the LB's are good, I do like CTB but yea the point pretty much stands. Miles Murphy may be a gigantic incomplete at this time.

I do think the Bengals got burned by the Michigan sign stealing because Dax Hill just isn't very good.

They need to get better on D. I don't think the gameplan was all that good yesterday. But I do also think at times, games begin to take shape in which the offenses are cooking and there is nothing the D can do. If you don't get Daniels off his mark or get them behind the sticks, he can dink and duck all game long. The throw to ice it to McLauren to me was more luck that good, but he made it when it counted.

[LiferJim]

As was mentioned, the Bengals have missed big time in their drafts of defensive players. I’m sure Lou and Taylor have input on who is being drafted, so they both should be held accountable. Yes some players are injured, but so are other teams players, so I don’t like using injuries as an excuse to why the defense is terrible. Whatever scheme Lou dialed up last night, it obviously didn’t work, to the tune of zero punts. That’s totally inexcusable and embarrassing against the Commanders or any team for that matter.

Operator mentioned that Taylor is too much of a players coach and I agree 100 percent. Just like the Reds, I believe it’s time to look for a new coaching staff. Probably won’t happen anytime soon though, as we saw how long Marvin held his job being mediocre.


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[Sea Ray]

I'm definitely in the minority, but I like Lou. To me, he's shown that he's a good tactical defensive coordinator. Even last week, he pretty much stifled Patrick Mahomes most of the game.

I think this is all front office, and maybe injuries. In my view, they had a good couple of years, some of which is dumb luck...like being able to draft Burrow and Chase. In 2020-21 they added DJ Reader and Hendrickson and a couple of other improvements. But they've drafted horribly for 3 straight years now and have invested nothing on the D line. This is the worst D line in the league most likely, and I can't remember a line being worse than this one except maybe the years that led them to the top of the draft board. The playoff runs chaged the narrative that Tobin is now running things and is much better than his predecessorts. I don't think his record is impressive at all taken as a whole.

Outside of Hendrickson, they don't have any players on defense considered "really good", IMO. Wilson and Pratt are solid, but nothing more than above average. CTB is also pretty good, but nowhere near top tier corner status. He's gotten burned bad on key plays the last 2 weeks. Outside of those guys, there's some guys with potential, but that's it. There's a lot of bad on that side of the ball, so I don't think there's a coordinator out there that could turn this into even an average defense.

Tobin is like Baalke here in Jax, enamored with tools and potential above actual performance. I could not believe they passed up on Joey Porter Jr for Myles Murphy, who was never more than a high potential guy. And I was floored when Baalke went with Travon Walker over Hutchinson. That's a tendency that has doomed many GMs and one that's hard to change in them. They see these guys and salivate. The smart GMs have seen too many Walkers and Murphys and know better.

I also think looking at that side of the ball, Chase feels more like a luxury than a necessity. They have to spend on defense if they want any chance at all to be real contenders. Last night is a perfect example. Burrow and Chase had great games, but it didn't matter. If they spend all their money on offense, last night is what we're going to see for the forseeable future, IMO.

They've invested nothing in the D line? They've invested heavy draft capital such as Murphy, Jenkins and McKinley Jackson. They signed Rankins as a FA. They've invested. The problem is the investments haven't been good

[Bob Sheed]

Yes they are thin on the defensive line. But for most of the game, Lou only rushed 4. What happened to blitzing young QBs?

And on offense, what did they average in the run game? They may not have even needed to pass. But of course, the over-confident game plan was to pass pass pass since we had Tee back. Nevermind the fact that they still haven't figured out the cover-2 yet.

Terrible terrible game plans on both sides of the ball.

[Bob Sheed]

Zac has had 3 years now to figure out the cover-2.

And STILL the best he has is "outlet to the RB."

It's stupid.

[RedTeamGo!]

Name a player they have drafted on Defense since Burrow has been here who is Pro Bowl caliber.

Saw someone point out that is what happens when you draft a bunch of defensive players from a college team that was cheating their asses off

[KoryMac5]

Yes they are thin on the defensive line. But for most of the game, Lou only rushed 4. What happened to blitzing young QBs?

And on offense, what did they average in the run game? They may not have even needed to pass. But of course, the over-confident game plan was to pass pass pass since we had Tee back. Nevermind the fact that they still haven't figured out the cover-2 yet.

Terrible terrible game plans on both sides of the ball.

Not sure the offense is the issue you think it is though they are a top 5-7 offense especially with the new looks in 12 personnel....they didn't punt last night or turn it over, you should win games like that. They should be better in the redzone though Taylor has for some odd reason struggled there forever.


On Defense 100% agree
They had a 9.7% pass rush win rate all game and only blitzed 11 times...Daniels ended up having 3.13 seconds to throw which is an eternity in the NFL. I get Lou was worried about Daniels running but damn dial a few more blitzes up.

[LiferJim]

Yes they are thin on the defensive line. But for most of the game, Lou only rushed 4. What happened to blitzing young QBs?

And on offense, what did they average in the run game? They may not have even needed to pass. But of course, the over-confident game plan was to pass pass pass since we had Tee back. Nevermind the fact that they still haven't figured out the cover-2 yet.

Terrible terrible game plans on both sides of the ball.

Agree on both accounts!

Lou got totally out coached.

Averaged 6.2 yards rushing and our running backs only had 19 carries. Inexcusable


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[KoryMac5]

Agree on both accounts!

Lou got totally out coached.

Averaged 6.2 yards rushing and our running backs only had 19 carries. Inexcusable


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After Washington's 1st drive they needed to be pound the ground to keep the D off the field...once they got behind they were in catch up mode and went away from the run. With this D being the way it is they have to have longer drives to help that unit out.

[Tony Cloninger]

Different era but at a time when you could still hit people and get away with helmet to helmet and harder hits. The 1979. 1985. 1987. 1991 defenses were worse. QB like this one get away with doing whatever they want because they know they can’t be hit too hard. Can slide at any time or just throw the ball away when out of the pocket. It’s harder. A lot. To play defense in the NFL now.

The Duke decision making on defense. Never mind the OL. I mean why do they allow this guy this much power at this point. They will of course fire coaches first before the Browns admit to their mistakes.

[LiferJim]

After Washington's 1st drive they needed to be pound the ground to keep the D off the field...once they got behind they were in catch up mode and went away from the run. With this D being the way it is they have to have longer drives to help that unit out.

Agree and they would have wore out Washington’s poor defense much quicker. Baltimore had 45 carries in their win over Dallas, but this team is more worried about padding Joe’s and Jamar’s stats.


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[Wonderful Monds]

Yes they are thin on the defensive line. But for most of the game, Lou only rushed 4. What happened to blitzing young QBs?

And on offense, what did they average in the run game? They may not have even needed to pass. But of course, the over-confident game plan was to pass pass pass since we had Tee back. Nevermind the fact that they still haven't figured out the cover-2 yet.

Terrible terrible game plans on both sides of the ball.

Burrow 324 yds, 3 TDs, 127.5 yds

435 net yards and 33 points in total for the offense.



The offense was not the problem lol

[Fil3232]

People complaining about the offensive game plan and execution are hilarious.

The defense was historically awful last night. That’s as far as the game analysis needs to go.

[Oxilon]

This defense is awful and the defensive line is cooked. The biggest winners last night was anyone playing defense for the Commanders. Normally if your unit doesn't force a punt or turnover, you're in for a long week of answering questions. Leave it to the Bengals to one-up them and play even worse.

[Bob Sheed]

Not sure the offense is the issue you think it is though they are a top 5-7 offense especially with the new looks in 12 personnel....they didn't punt last night or turn it over, you should win games like that. They should be better in the redzone though Taylor has for some odd reason struggled there forever.



I do like the new looks. Washington may be the worst defense the Bengals see this year. Bad pass defense. Bad run defense. So yes, I thought they did well last night too.

What I am speaking of though, is the cover 2 thing. Take away the deep ball. Randy Moss's Vikings figured it out 20 years ago, for example. Zac is on year 3 now and still can't solve it. Dishing it out to the RB over and over again worked great last night. It usually doesn't.

And what's the big secret to solving the cover 2? Have a TE that can block and catch. Make him your new outlet, release him in the middle of the field. That's it. That's how you solve the cover 2. So yeah... year 3 now. I just don't understand why Zac is still baffled.

[KoryMac5]

I do like the new looks. Washington may be the worst defense the Bengals see this year. Bad pass defense. Bad run defense. So yes, I thought they did well last night too.

What I am speaking of though, is the cover 2 thing. Take away the deep ball. Randy Moss's Vikings figured it out 20 years ago, for example. Zac is on year 3 now and still can't solve it. Dishing it out to the RB over and over again worked great last night. It usually doesn't.

And what's the big secret to solving the cover 2? Have a TE that can block and catch. Make him your new outlet, release him in the middle of the field. That's it. That's how you solve the cover 2. So yeah... year 3 now. I just don't understand why Zac is still baffled.

I think we are seeing him evolve though...All Jr. is in there for a reason...and they used him pretty well last couple of games. They are under center a bit more and using much more motion. I mean they have scored 25 and 33 pts last few weeks against a lot of cover 2 shells.

[KoryMac5]

I think it's fair criticism to say I would like to see more Chase Brown nothing against Moss but Brown looks to be more explosive. Might be my only quibble with the offense and a minor one at that.

[Redsfaithful]

I'm not optimistic, but for whatever it's worth the stat going around about starting 0-3 doesn't really apply to this team. Most of that era didn't have 17 games or 7 teams per league making the playoffs. And, sadly, you don't see QBs as good as Joe Burrow starting 0-3 very often.

So, not that the odds are good, but I don't think they're 2% or whatever either.

The offense is going to keep them in every game, absent significant injury. You're not dead until you're dead with Burrow at QB. But he's got to overcome a horrible defense plus a front office that literally has spent it's time making the team worse instead of better in recent years.

[Redsfaithful]

ESPN somehow actually has the Bengals at 36% to make the playoffs. 4th easiest schedule the rest of the year.

[Redsfaithful]

Bengals are 5 point favorites vs. Carolina next week lol

[LiferJim]

Until the defense can stop weak teams like New England and Washington from running the ball, the chances of them making the playoffs are about zero.

[Assembly Hall]

I'm not optimistic, but for whatever it's worth the stat going around about starting 0-3 doesn't really apply to this team. Most of that era didn't have 17 games or 7 teams per league making the playoffs. And, sadly, you don't see QBs as good as Joe Burrow starting 0-3 very often.

So, not that the odds are good, but I don't think they're 2% or whatever either.

The offense is going to keep them in every game, absent significant injury. You're not dead until you're dead with Burrow at QB. But he's got to overcome a horrible defense plus a front office that literally has spent it's time making the team worse instead of better in recent years.

You got to figure 10-7 will get you in and 9-8 maybe. Very doable.

[Redsfaithful]

Until the defense can stop weak teams like New England and Washington from running the ball, the chances of them making the playoffs are about zero.

Washington ran the ball for 3.4 YPC, it was really the lack of any pressure on Jayden Daniels whatsoever that needs cleaned up.

[Bob Sheed]

Bengals are 5 point favorites vs. Carolina next week lol

I'm fairly certain Bryce Young would carve this defense up if he has 3+ seconds to throw every time.

Dalton is going to have a field day.

Actually, he probably won't need to. Why pass, when the Bengals can't stop the run?

[RiverRat13]

https://x.com/andrew_russell7/status/1838601975950200962?s=46&t=wL7LgJH8agKJkhUxTq_R9g

[Wonderful Monds]

I'm not optimistic, but for whatever it's worth the stat going around about starting 0-3 doesn't really apply to this team. Most of that era didn't have 17 games or 7 teams per league making the playoffs. And, sadly, you don't see QBs as good as Joe Burrow starting 0-3 very often.

So, not that the odds are good, but I don't think they're 2% or whatever either.

The offense is going to keep them in every game, absent significant injury. You're not dead until you're dead with Burrow at QB. But he's got to overcome a horrible defense plus a front office that literally has spent it's time making the team worse instead of better in recent years.

I believe we’ve heard that stat before. 2022, or a stat like it. I’m curious what that number looks like going up to 1-3.