2025 NFL Draft Thread

[WVRed]

Over a half hour away.

Saw where Shedur could fall to the second round. Wanted to bet on it but im almost thinking Dart and possibly Milroe go ahead of him.

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[UKFlounder]

From Adam Schefter:

ESPN Sources:

��Browns are trading the No. 2 overall pick, a fourth-round pick (No. 104), and a sixth-round pick (No. 200) to the Jaguars.

��Jaguars are trading the No. 5 overall pick, a second-round pick (No. 36), a fourth-round pick (No. 126) and their 2026 first-round pick
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[Rojo Rijo]

Gotta be Travis Hunter


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[WVRed]

From Adam Schefter:

ESPN Sources:

��Browns are trading the No. 2 overall pick, a fourth-round pick (No. 104), and a sixth-round pick (No. 200) to the Jaguars.

��Jaguars are trading the No. 5 overall pick, a second-round pick (No. 36), a fourth-round pick (No. 126) and their 2026 first-round pick
Show moreAll that for Travis Hunter? Can't imagine it being Shedur.

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[plantmanky]

I said tonight be chaos.

[dfs]

Not chalk but not really a surprise. Hunter was the prize of the draft.

[RedTeamGo!]

From Adam Schefter:

ESPN Sources:

��Browns are trading the No. 2 overall pick, a fourth-round pick (No. 104), and a sixth-round pick (No. 200) to the Jaguars.

��Jaguars are trading the No. 5 overall pick, a second-round pick (No. 36), a fourth-round pick (No. 126) and their 2026 first-round pick
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This is exactly what I wanted the Browns to do when they ended up with the 2nd pick. I’d trade Tue 5th pick to the bears. They are reportedly hot to trot for Jeanty.

[WVRed]

This is exactly what I wanted the Browns to do when they ended up with the 2nd pick. I’d trade Tue 5th pick to the bears. They are reportedly hot to trot for Jeanty.Wonder if the Browns take Jeanty?

Mason Graham makes too much sense.

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[WVRed]

Browns take Graham.

Raiders take Jeanty.

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[dfs]

Well crap. I was hoping Banks might fall to the Bengals, but it does keep the Rams want Sanders before the Steelers fantasy alive.

Both TE's still on the board too.

[RedTeamGo!]

Lmao the Bears are always going to Bear in the draft.

How do you take Loveland over Warren at TE?! Yikes.

[Kingspoint]

Well crap. I was hoping Banks might fall to the Bengals, but it does keep the Rams want Sanders before the Steelers fantasy alive.

Both TE's still on the board too.

After hearing Schefter yesterday state that he's looking to go Top-10, I knew that dream flew out the window for me.

[WVRed]

Bears take Colston Loveland over Tyler Warren.

Watch Warren go to the 49ers.

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[Kingspoint]

Bears take Colston Loveland over Tyler Warren.

Watch Warren go to the 49ers.

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RAMS are on the phone, I imagine.

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Colts need a TE, but I doubt he makes it to #14.

[WVRed]

RAMS are on the phone, I imagine.Says Pick is In.

Warren with Purdy, Kittle, Aiyuk, and CMC.

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[Kingspoint]

No way John Lynch passes up Warren, right?

[WVRed]

No way John Lynch passes up Warren, right?He does.

Mykel Williams.

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[Kingspoint]

He does.

Mykel Williams.

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Wow! Lost all of that Offense and they have to pay Purdy now. But, they lost a lot on Defense, too. They have a lot of holes.

Mykel Williams was, I thought, a realistic option for the Bengals @ 17, but I guess it wasn't realistic.

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I hope someone takes Golden, so that anothe option falls to the Bengals.

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Cowboys said that it made no sense to add playmakers until they improve that Offensive Line.

Bengals' options just improved.

[dfs]

Cowboys taking Booker is s surprise.
Jalon Walker is still there.....

[Kingspoint]

A lot of great options for the Bengals still there:

Walker
Warren
Nolen
Barron
Jihaad Campbell

[Kingspoint]

Jihaad Campbell in an immediate impact on the D-Line.

He can play 4-2-5 or 3-3-5. Our D.C. has yet to reveal what he'll do, but the flexibility that Campbell offers is huge. We could really use a Takeo Spikes type of Linebacker.

[Kingspoint]

A QB could hit before the Bengals pick and then another one drops.

[WVRed]

A QB could hit before the Bengals pick and then another one drops.Someone would have to move up for that to happen. Bengals might be better off being the team that trades down and capitalizes.

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[RedTeamGo!]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sanders falls out of first round.

[Kingspoint]

Colts are ecstatic.

Can't believe that Warren fell to them.

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Someone would have to move up for that to happen. Bengals might be better off being the team that trades down and capitalizes.

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We need the talent, but there's some good choices at #17 for the Bengals.

I'm hoping someone trades up ahead of us and drops another one to us.

[Kingspoint]

One of Walker, Barron, Nolan, Campbell. At least two will be available for the Bengals to pick from.

My order:

Walker
Barron
Campbell
Nolan

[WVRed]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sanders falls out of first round.There's been rumblings that he tanked the interviews so he could go somewhere desirable (Pittsburgh)

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[Kingspoint]

How bad have TE's been for IND?

They haven't had one reach 400 yards on the season, that's about 25 yards per game, during the 2020's.

[WVRed]

Jalon Walker gone.

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[Kingspoint]

Hope Arizona takes Golden.

[Slyder]

Over a half hour away.

Saw where Shedur could fall to the second round. Wanted to bet on it but im almost thinking Dart and possibly Milroe go ahead of him.

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If someone takes Milroe over him... they need legitimately drug tested and forfeit every pick after that. In NO UNIVERSE is Milroe a better pick than Prime Jr. We're at about 15 now, I wouldn't be opposed if my Raiders threw a couple picks and traded back into the first for him. He is the type of QB I'd personally gamble on. Geno would be a good mentor. Shedeur would be able to work behind an actual O-Line for the first time in his life. Milroe is what Justin Fields is.

[WVRed]

Nolen gone

My money is on JPJ.

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[Kingspoint]

Barron or Campbell for me.

Don't take Stewart or Green or a MICH Cornerback.

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It won't be Barron. He's only 5'11". Bengals don't take CB's under 6 feet.

[dfs]

Not a trade.
Cambell
Barron
Johnson
Safety

[Kingspoint]

Tobin states that he won't take a project, but he's always taking a project. Almost always. I have no faith in him taking someone who'll Start from Day 1 as one of the 22 on Offense or Defense.

Campbell would.

Barron would.

[WVRed]

If someone takes Milroe over him... they need legitimately drug tested and forfeit every pick after that. In NO UNIVERSE is Milroe a better pick than Prime Jr. We're at about 15 now, I wouldn't be opposed if my Raiders threw a couple picks and traded back into the first for him. He is the type of QB I'd personally gamble on. Geno would be a good mentor. Shedeur would be able to work behind an actual O-Line for the first time in his life. Milroe is what Justin Fields is.Do you really want to deal with the Deion circus?

Bengals taking Will Johnson supposedly.

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[gonelong]

Probably Will Johnson - they love them some skill players, particular at WR and Cornerback.

[WVRed]

Correction

Shemar Stewart

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[RedTeamGo!]

I think the Bengals will select Shedeur Sanders /s

[dfs]

crap

[plantmanky]

Barron or Campbell for me.

Don't take Stewart or Green or a MICH Cornerback.

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It won't be Barron. He's only 5'11". Bengals don't take CB's under 6 feet.

Your a kiss of death.

[Kingspoint]

So Bengals.

Tobin is a Tool.

[WrongVerb]

Fire Tobin

[wally post]

Oh God, Bengals being Bengals again. Blech!

[UKFlounder]

LOL

[RedTeamGo!]

Kind of amazing a defensive end was drafted in the 1st round that only totaled 4.5 sacks in 3 years of college football. How does that happen?

[Kingspoint]

And, we wonder why our Defense sucks.

Thanks, Duke.

Burrow and Chase were gifts that Tobin couldn't screw up.

[Slyder]

Do you really want to deal with the Deion circus?

Bengals taking Will Johnson supposedly.

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Shedeur maybe worth the risk. Carroll has cache. I'm not saying I 1000000% gotta do it but if someone says I only want like a 4th and 7th... plus the fifth year option if you think Shedeur is "the one"...

[Roy Tucker]

lol. Bengals being Bengals.

They’ll use this as a way to let Trey go.

[dfs]

I'm reminded of Joe Nuxhall's comments when the reds got Deion for the first time...."Well, he's our SOB now."
I hope it works out, but that's gotta be the most Bengal pick ever.

I hope i'm wrong.

[WVRed]

Shedeur maybe worth the risk. Carroll has cache. I'm not saying I 1000000% gotta do it but if someone says I only want like a 4th and 7th... plus the fifth year option if you think Shedeur is "the one"...Anyone trading back into the first for Shedur is giving up a first next year, book it.

Emeka Egbuka to Tampa. Loaded receiving room there.


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[Slyder]

Shedeur maybe worth the risk. Carroll has cache. I'm not saying I 1000000% gotta do it but if someone says I only want like a 4th and 7th... plus the fifth year option if you think Shedeur is "the one"...

Or if you think Dart is "the one" the same applies.

[WVRed]

lol. Bengals being Bengals.

They’ll use this as a way to let Trey go.Reminds me of them drafting Cedric Ogbuehi to let Andrew Whitworth walk.

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[WVRed]

Or if you think Dart is "the one" the same applies.I dont think having to deal with Deion is worth the risk. He is Lavar Ball 2.0. Im actually surprised he stayed at Colorado after Shedur and Travis left.

Look at LeBron with Bronny and how they threatened to have him go to Australia so the Lakers could take him in the second round. Deion is probably doing the same thing.

Says a lot when the Giants were on the radar forever and all of a sudden pivoted to Abdul Carter when Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll are in a prove it year.

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[WVRed]

Shedur still on the board. Harmon is going to be a Heyward replacement.

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[Slyder]

I dont think having to deal with Deion is worth the risk. He is Lavar Ball 2.0. Im actually surprised he stayed at Colorado after Shedur and Travis left.

Look at LeBron with Bronny and how they threatened to have him go to Australia so the Lakers could take him in the second round. Deion is probably doing the same thing.

Says a lot when the Giants were on the radar forever and all of a sudden pivoted to Abdul Carter when Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll are in a prove it year.

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You got 1 chance left, Sanders isn't Peyton, I can see why you take a near undisputed 1 or 1a defensive player on the entire board at 3. There's 2 ways to win... 1 score more points on offense, 2 don't let the other team score. Carter is special, I was really hoping this would turn into 2014 where someone(s) jumps on QB early and pushed a guy like Carter or Graham to LV.

[WVRed]

Omarion Hampton to the Chargers.

Harbaugh gets a power back.

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[WVRed]

Golden to the Packers.

First time taking a WR first round in forever.

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[Tuff Nut]

Who the Gi ants taking? Dart or Sheduer?...I say Dart.

[WVRed]

Who the Gi ants taking? Dart or Sheduer?...I say Dart.Dart.

Falcons have traded back into the first.


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[Tuff Nut]

Wow...I got it right.

[Slyder]

The Giants moved up to the 25th pick, trading the Houston Texans a second-round pick (No. 34 overall), a third-round pick (No. 99 overall) and a 2026 third round pick.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article/2025-nfl-draft-giants-trade-back-into-1st-round-and-take-qb-jaxson-dart-not-shedeur-sanders-025858038.html

[Tuff Nut]

Talk in KC circles are saying TreVon Henderson and Luther Burden are targets.

[WVRed]

The Giants moved up to the 25th pick, trading the Houston Texans a second-round pick (No. 34 overall), a third-round pick (No. 99 overall) and a 2026 third round pick.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article/2025-nfl-draft-giants-trade-back-into-1st-round-and-take-qb-jaxson-dart-not-shedeur-sanders-025858038.htmlIll admit i was wrong.

Falcons gave up a first to get James Pierce Jr.

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[dfs]

And the Ravens got Stark.

This night just keeps giving and giving.

[pedro]

It would have been nice if the Bengals had drafted someone who had actually proven they were good at football.

[WVRed]

Talk in KC circles are saying TreVon Henderson and Luther Burden are targets.Josh Simmons.

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[dfs]

Simmons and Cambell fell to the end of the first round. Their medicals must have taken them out of play early in the season and the Bengals need production now.

Wish they had drafted for production now.

[Tuff Nut]

Talk to me Buckeye followers..What about Simmons?... a lot of KC fans are livid. His injury is a big concern. Most hope they red-shirt him, and let the injury heal. As posted earlier, and since they were still available, I was hoping for Henderson or Burden.

[RedTeamGo!]

Talk to me Buckeye followers..What about Simmons?... a lot of KC fans are livid. His injury is a big concern. Most hope they red-shirt him, and let the injury heal. As posted earlier, and since they were still available, I was hoping for Henderson or Burden.

Earlier this season before he got injured Simmons looked incredible. But, he got injured, so is def worrisome. It’s the 32nd pick, better to go upside IMHO.

[RiverRat13]

Had Simmons stayed healthy, he probably would have went top 15 if not top 10.

[okpanda]

Burden would’ve been the perfect receiver for Mahomes, I think.

[Chip R]

I think Shedeur Sanders may have been better off if his dad hadn't been stage managing him all these years. Maybe this will happen anyway but it's a better excuse not to play him if he's a second rounder. If he's a first round choice and he's not playing, Deion is going to be popping off to the media about how he should be playing. This is supposed to be a weak QB class and he has fallen out of the first round. Maybe every team who needed a QB deemed him not worthy of a first round pick but maybe they came to the conclusion he's not all that.

[Ohayou]

Carson Schwesinger to the Browns. Damn, I was hoping he'd fall to us. If not, then at least go to an NFC team.

[wally post]

I think Shedeur would’ve been a lot better off without his father’s assistance. I wonder if perhaps the entire NFL wants no more Deon bullying and is saying “no."

[BlackPete Ibold]

Wow, Saints take Slough over Sanders!

And then the Bills take Sanders... but make that TJ Sanders, not Shadeur.

That is a double beeatch slap if ever I have seen one (figuratively speaking, of course)

[Kingspoint]

Derrick Harmon's mother died after Steelers drafted her son


PITTSBURGH -- Tiffany Saine, the mother of Pittsburgh Steelers first-round pick Derrick Harmon, died Thursday night shortly after her son was selected No. 21 in the NFL draft. Saine, who suffered a stroke in 2022 that left her paralyzed on her left side, was on life support in the hospital while Harmon learned of his NFL future surrounded by the rest of his family in his hometown of Detroit.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44856426/derrick-harmon-mother-died-steelers-drafted-son

[WVRed]

Wow, Saints take Slough over Sanders!

And then the Bills take Sanders... but make that TJ Sanders, not Shadeur.

That is a double beeatch slap if ever I have seen one (figuratively speaking, of course)I think Shough is a better fit in New Orleans than Shedur.

He's been in college forever and is older. Might be able to step in with Carr being out.

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[WVRed]

Steelers pick Kaleb Johnson RB from Iowa over Shedur.

The slide continues.

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[WVRed]

Seahawks take Jalen Milroe and Kiper loses his mind again.

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[WVRed]

Dillon Gabriel to the Browns.

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[WVRed]

Falcons take Xavier Watts.

Kinda wonder now if Shilo Sanders goes before Shedur.

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[plantmanky]

Shedur may not get drafted at all.

[Kingspoint]

Dillon Gabriel to the Browns.

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Gabriel is so superior to Sanders, it ain't even funny.

Browns finally got their franchise QB.

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Shedur may not get drafted at all.

as it should be.

[KronoRed]

Anyone drafting Shedeur is basically saying "we will fire our coach and name his dad head coach by December" right?

[RedTeamGo!]

Gabriel is so superior to Sanders, it ain't even funny.

Browns finally got their franchise QB.

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as it should be.

Lmao Dillon Gabriel franchise QB?? The Browns are drafting with their eyes on taking a QB next year. Probably Arch Manning.

Gabriel was a horrendous pick. Should have drafted more depth on the lines or a WR. They legit could have waited until the 5th or 6th round to take Gabriel.

[Boston Red]

Sanders may just drop out of the draft and sue the NCAA to restore his eligibility. And he'd probably win at this point. And he'd make a lot more money at Colorado next year than he'd make in the NFL based on where he's going to get drafted.

[WVRed]

Sanders may just drop out of the draft and sue the NCAA to restore his eligibility. And he'd probably win at this point. And he'd make a lot more money at Colorado next year than he'd make in the NFL based on where he's going to get drafted.Wonder if he would get the no 2 back they retired at Colorado?

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[RedTeamGo!]

Sanders may just drop out of the draft and sue the NCAA to restore his eligibility. And he'd probably win at this point. And he'd make a lot more money at Colorado next year than he'd make in the NFL based on where he's going to get drafted.

Honestly, if you don’t hire an agent (which Sanders did not do) I see no reason to not let players back if they have eligibility remaining. I hope he does sue and I hope he wins.

[Boston Red]

Even if you sign with an agent, not sure why it matters. All the college guys have agents for NIL now anyway.

[RedTeamGo!]

Even if you sign with an agent, not sure why it matters. All the college guys have agents for NIL now anyway.

It’s a good point

[WVRed]

Saw this on X and I agree with it:

In my non-expert opinion, it's clear what's going on with Shedeur Sanders.

NFL teams see his talent as not starting right away. Sitting for a bit, learning the ropes, then giving a shot.

So...they ask: Do I want the headache of media attention, Sanders family, etc. All while my starter feels that pressure, and it divides the team.

The answer for many coaches and GMs, who are on a short leash and need to win in the next 1-2 years...the answer is No.

It's why you've seen arguably lesser talented QBs going ahead.

In the past, people took a shot at guys like Johnny Manziel, because the perceived talent was higher. So it's a risk/reward.

There's no grand conspiracy. NFL teams want to win. And GMs/head coaches often only have a narrow window. If they thought Sanders would get them there quickly, they'd take him. Just look at Manziel or Deshaun Watson with the Browns...

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[WVRed]

Cam Skattebo to the Giants.

He and Tyrone Tracy would be a good 1-2 punch.

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[GAC]

I think Shedeur Sanders may have been better off if his dad hadn't been stage managing him all these years. Maybe this will happen anyway but it's a better excuse not to play him if he's a second rounder. If he's a first round choice and he's not playing, Deion is going to be popping off to the media about how he should be playing. This is supposed to be a weak QB class and he has fallen out of the first round. Maybe every team who needed a QB deemed him not worthy of a first round pick but maybe they came to the conclusion he's not all that.

All good, and very viable, points. Last Winter Deion was popping off about who he'd let Shedeur sign with, and that certain teams would be advised not to draft him. Say what?

Would you want the "headache" of having to deal with the Sanders family and the media? And as already mentioned - Deion's bullying/threatening? Me thinks Daddy is a little too controlling over his kids (as well as having Daddy's "me me" ego). ;)

[WVRed]

Jack Kiser to Jacksonville.



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[dfs]

whoa....Tuten in front of Skattebo...liked both players but thought 3rd for Skat and had 5th for Tuten and they go in 4.

Kiser off the board in 4.

Thornton off the board in 4. Dang!

And there goes Ty Robinson.

[WVRed]

Texans trade a third round picks next year to take Woody Marks from USC.

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[Ohayou]

Bowman gone, dang! Falcons got Watts as well.

Wouldn't mind Swinson or Sawyer here. Plenty of RBs left, too.

[WVRed]

Bowman gone, dang! Falcons got Watts as well.

Wouldn't mind Swinson or Sawyer here. Plenty of RBs left, too.They took Barrett Carter instead. Doesn't look like a bad pick.

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[dfs]

.....A second LB? WTF ....Is there any Rhyme or Reason to what this staff does?

[Reds Freak]

.....A second LB? WTF ....Is there any Rhyme or Reason to what this staff does?

What's wrong with another linebacker?

[plantmanky]

Sawyer just went to Pittsburg, damn.

[RedTeamGo!]

Steelers take Sawyer. Watch them turn him into Cam Hayward 2.0

[WVRed]

Steelers take Sawyer. Watch them turn him into Cam Hayward 2.0

That'll be Harmon.

Sawyer will be TJ Watt

[Ohayou]

Don't mind the Carter pick. He was LB1 a little over a year ago. Speedy guy.

Sawyer going to Pitt makes my stomach churn, though.

[dfs]

What's wrong with another linebacker?

It's a weak LB class and the roster has other holes all over the place?

They could have plugged up the interior offensive line or got a decent backup swing tackle or taken a running back to compliment Brown or found a tight end that could both block and catch or filled the slot receiver or doubled down on edge or really plugged up the running game with a DT or ....actually fill the need at safety with somebody who can play?

Maybe the scheme is going to change with the new DC and well see more linebackers on the field.

[Reds Freak]

It's a weak LB class and the roster has other holes all over the place?

They could have plugged up the interior offensive line or got a decent backup swing tackle or taken a running back to compliment Brown or found a tight end that could both block and catch or filled the slot receiver or doubled down on edge or really plugged up the running game with a DT or ....actually fill the need at safety with somebody who can play?

Maybe the scheme is going to change with the new DC and well see more linebackers on the field.

Well luckily there's three more rounds to do some of the things. I guess I just don't get too worked up about the draft. Obviously you have to do it well but I don't follow the individual players enough to know anything after the top ten or so. The whole thing is a crap shoot, but especially day three.

[dfs]

Well luckily there's three more rounds to do some of the things.

Not for the Bengals. No 7 round pick

[KronoRed]

Of course it’s the Browns

[Reds Freak]

Not for the Bengals. No 7 round pick

Didn't realize that, thank you.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hahahahahaha what are the Browns doing????

[dabvu2498]

How many QBs will they have in camp?

[dfs]

Didn't realize that, thank you.

Sure thing. That's part of why a second linebacker is such a headscratcher. They have a lot of holes and very few draft picks.

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Alright Bengals....Mbow is still available....Seth McLaughlin is on the board....Cameron Williams AND Logan Brown.....pick one of those guys and stabilize that line in front of Burrow.

[WrongVerb]

How many teams have traded up in front of the Bengals to take DTs in this draft? Lots in the 4th, and the Rams just did it in the 5th.

[dfs]

The other safety from Penn State....The Safety from Clemson...The CB from UTEP ...Peebles or Pegues would plug DT. couple of other guards. They could certainly still land a TE.

Looks like Edge is done. No RB that makes me sit up. Those were strong areas in the draft.

[dfs]

I hate to say there are a couple of non-crappy linebackers left.....They wouldn't...would they?

[dfs]

Jalen Rivers ....A guard that pass blocks well who can play tackle. Check.

Not the guard I wanted, but it's a win that they got a second one.

[WVRed]

How many QBs will they have in camp?Courtesy of ESPNhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250426/1003ebc5955c059901f7c016280a2842.jpg

Can't help but think Cleveland was one of the places Deion would have actively avoided Shedur going to.

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[Boston Red]

Watson will still be hurt, though, right?

[WVRed]

Watson will still be hurt, though, right?Yep.

Steelers took Will Howard too and the Ravens took a kicker. Guess that's the end of Justin Tucker.

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[dfs]

And a flyer at RB ends the Bengals draft. Guess they think the D-Line will be fine.

The new DC was a linebacker coach and filled the room with new blood.

In the end they should have the O-Line stabilized and added speed.

I don't have any faith in Stewart, but I'm not much of a football guy. Hope I'm wrong.

[WVRed]

Sanders may just drop out of the draft and sue the NCAA to restore his eligibility. And he'd probably win at this point. And he'd make a lot more money at Colorado next year than he'd make in the NFL based on where he's going to get drafted.A better idea i just read:

Go to the UFL. Between the Rock and possibly Deion if he would make the jump to coaching it would be a ratings boon.

If the NFL was really trying to collude and make a statement this would be a way to make it backfire.

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[GAC]

Yep.

Steelers took Will Howard too and the Ravens took a kicker. Guess that's the end of Justin Tucker.

I read that the reason the Browns took Shedur - didn't they trade with Seattle to get the pick? - was so the Stelers wouldn't get him. Also - having all these QBs can be an asset when another team's QB may go down and you need help in other areas. ;)

How about Texas QB Quinn Ewers going to Miami in the 7th round??

[Boston Red]

A better idea i just read:

Go to the UFL. Between the Rock and possibly Deion if he would make the jump to coaching it would be a ratings boon.

If the NFL was really trying to collude and make a statement this would be a way to make it backfire.

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No one would watch the UFL for Shadeur Sanders. Maybe if he could convince some friends to come along. Plus, isn't the UFL in the spring? It doesn't compete with the NFL.

[UKFlounder]

Someone (s?) should be in trouble soon

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[oregonred]

The same Falcons iPad that was used to tamper with Jessie Bates?

[UKFlounder]

Thst guynJax supposedly called Sanders and apologized already


Per Adam Schefter: The Falcons will not take any action against their defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich. They are continuing to review their protocols to make sure something like this doesn’t happen again.

[Sea Ray]

Someone (s?) should be in trouble soon

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How do you “unintentionally “ come across a phone number and then use it for a prank? That doesn’t add up


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[Slyder]

Courtesy of ESPNhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250426/1003ebc5955c059901f7c016280a2842.jpg

Can't help but think Cleveland was one of the places Deion would have actively avoided Shedur going to.

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If I'm Pickett I'm not buying anything near Cleveland this year.

[Sea Ray]

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[GAC]

Shadeur's troubles are just now beginning. He breathed a sigh of relief that someone finally drafted him.

That "someone" is CLEVELAND!! :laugh:

[Chip R]

I read that the reason the Browns took Shedur - didn't they trade with Seattle to get the pick? - was so the Stelers wouldn't get him. Also - having all these QBs can be an asset when another team's QB may go down and you need help in other areas. ;)

How about Texas QB Quinn Ewers going to Miami in the 7th round??

If that's the case, why didn't they select him in the previous rounds?

[Slyder]

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The key word "if Possible". Shedeur doesn't have any leverage, he's going to have to come in and outplay Pickett (which is probably low hanging fruit), not be a distraction (daddy NO WHERE NEAR CLEVELAND FO), show he's coachable, show he's learned from the media mistakes, and that football is HIS JOB now.

Looking at it now if I had to predict the Cleveland QB depth chart:
1 Flacco - Old man guides the ship until Sanders or Gabriel blows the doors off the place or his old man body breaks down.
2 Gabriel - There's a reason they took him first.
3 Shedeur - Gotta show up ready to work everyday and not be about anything but learning and helping the Browns in any way possible (IE scout team). If he isn't teams cut 5th round picks yearly for less.

IR Watson - He won't see the field again, but that contract is fully guaranteed, it wouldn't surprise me if the Browns tried to Lloyd's of London it and claim Watson won't ever be cleared to play due to injury and get the insurance payoff.

I read Shiloh has already "fired" dad as his agent and hired another. It probably be a good look if Shedeur did the same thing to look more professional (it won't make a bit of difference, but it might make for better pr).

[Sea Ray]

The key word "if Possible". Shedeur doesn't have any leverage, he's going to have to come in and outplay Pickett (which is probably low hanging fruit), not be a distraction (daddy NO WHERE NEAR CLEVELAND FO), show he's coachable, show he's learned from the media mistakes, and that football is HIS JOB now.

Looking at it now if I had to predict the Cleveland QB depth chart:
1 Flacco - Old man guides the ship until Sanders or Gabriel blows the doors off the place or his old man body breaks down.
2 Gabriel - There's a reason they took him first.
3 Shedeur - Gotta show up ready to work everyday and not be about anything but learning and helping the Browns in any way possible (IE scout team). If he isn't teams cut 5th round picks yearly for less.

IR Watson - He won't see the field again, but that contract is fully guaranteed, it wouldn't surprise me if the Browns tried to Lloyd's of London it and claim Watson won't ever be cleared to play due to injury and get the insurance payoff.

I read Shiloh has already "fired" dad as his agent and hired another. It probably be a good look if Shedeur did the same thing to look more professional (it won't make a bit of difference, but it might make for better pr).

Cleveland's problem isn't the cash it'll take to pay off Watson. It's the cap hit. They keep restructuring it to extend it into later years. They'll have to eventually account for it in their salary cap and that will be painful. Maybe historic

[Slyder]

Cleveland's problem isn't the cash it'll take to pay off Watson. It's the cap hit. They keep restructuring it to extend it into later years. They'll have to eventually account for it in their salary cap and that will be painful. Maybe historic

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/browns-poised-recoup-losses-deshaun-155628650.html

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-how-much-salary-cap-relief-do-insurance-policies-on-nfl-player-contracts-provide-teams/

It may not cover the full deal but the credit they get while Watson's hurt should help.

[Sea Ray]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/browns-poised-recoup-losses-deshaun-155628650.html

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-how-much-salary-cap-relief-do-insurance-policies-on-nfl-player-contracts-provide-teams/

It may not cover the full deal but the credit they get while Watson's hurt should help.

Interesting. I had no idea that insurance policies could affect the cap. This will be interesting to see how this plays out. It'll be an accounting nightmare with all of his contract restructuring

[GAC]

If that's the case, why didn't they select him in the previous rounds?

More important needs. They already drafted one QB. ;)

[Sea Ray]

They traded wth Seattle to ge this pick. Rumor is that wanted him so Pitt didn't get him. They'll have no problem trading him if a QB goes down somewhere. ;)

There's also a rumor that Pitt goaded the Browns into this and they fell for it. Personally that's what I think happened

[Kingspoint]

You can't have too many QB options in this day and age when you're trying to find a Starter.

The issue they have is that none of them will clear waivers so they can't put any of them on the practice squad. When that time comes, they are going to have to just release them (Pickett, most likely) and/or trade them.

Watson will never wear a uniform again for Cleveland, or anywhere else in the NFL.

Flacco will Start and Gabriel (Cleveland's preferred choice) and Sanders will both get opportunities and snaps during the season. It will play itself out. If Deion starts getting in the way with his uncontrollable mouth, Sanders will get traded or released.

[Kingspoint]

The only team Mel Kiper gave a grade of "A+" was the Browns.

:laugh:

[Slyder]

The only team Mel Kiper gave a grade of "A+" was the Browns.

:laugh:

the punchlines on the internet are great...
"If [Jimmy Clausen] is not a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, I'm done. That's it. I'm out."

Punchline: We're waiting.

Compared JaWalrus Russell to John Elway. This one still burns me.

[GAC]

There's also a rumor that Pitt goaded the Browns into this and they fell for it. Personally that's what I think happened

But how did they goad them? And what did Pitt achieve by doing so? By making them waste a pick on something you don't need? Well, first off, all reports indicate that the Browns do need a QB (lol). It's just no Sanders though.

It was already the 5th round. And by then you've pretty much achieved whatever objectives you had for the draft. As I mentioned earlier ... having a healthy inventory of QBs can be advantageous when other team's QBs go done. Who ya gonna call?

But it's the Browns. So I have no idea what goes on in the FO's minset (lol).

[GAC]

The only team Mel Kiper gave a grade of "A+" was the Browns.

:laugh:

Why does anyone listen to this guy? lol

[Sea Ray]

But how did they goad them? And what did Pitt achieve by doing so? By making them waste a pick on something you don't need? Well, first off, all reports indicate that the Browns do need a QB (lol). It's just no Sanders though.

It was already the 5th round. And by then you've pretty much achieved whatever objectives you had for the draft. As I mentioned earlier ... having a healthy inventory of QBs can be advantageous when other team's QBs go done. Who ya gonna call?

But it's the Browns. So I have no idea what goes on in the FO's minset (lol).

They lost a draft pick for trading up


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[RedTeamGo!]

The Steelers goaded browns into using the 144th pick to select a QB? lol wut?

I think Haslam told Berry to draft Sanders. Haslam is an absolute idiot and keeps being a poor man's Jerry Jones.

[Sea Ray]

This guy was 100% sure that the Browns would not trade out of their #2 pick. Be sure and not listen to him next time. His credibility is now shot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkQyCqnXHM

[WrongVerb]

This guy was 100% sure that the Browns would not trade out of their #2 pick. Be sure and not listen to him next time. His credibility is now shot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkQyCqnXHM

I make it a point to always take pontification by pundits -- be they news, sports, politics, whatever -- with huge grains of salt. Mostly it's just people talking out of their asses. But they're capable of stringing words together in a way that makes it appear like they know what they're talking about. I'm rarely fooled by such idiocy these days.

[Sea Ray]

I make it a point to always take pontification by pundits -- be they news, sports, politics, whatever -- with huge grains of salt. Mostly it's just people talking out of their asses. But they're capable of stringing words together in a way that makes it appear like they know what they're talking about. I'm rarely fooled by such idiocy these days.

They shouldn't give the impression that they have insider access when in reality they are talking out of their asses. I seek out the folks that truly do have access. For the Bengals that's Dave Lapham. I think Adam Schefter is pretty accurate nationally. When a pretender is exposed I like to spread the word with the smoking gun

[RedTeamGo!]

It is a Locked On Sports guy. That is the equivalent of RedTeamGo! pretending he has insider info and making a youtube video.

[WrongVerb]

They shouldn't give the impression that they have insider access when in reality they are talking out of their asses.

I agree. However, presenting punditry/analysis/opinion/editorial/commentary as real, credible journalism is a big business. I can think of several podcasts, youtube channels, and even cable outlets that make huge profits pretending that their content is journalism. Some even cynically use the word "news" in their names.

It's also worth noting that even when a credible journalist does have insider access, they're still at the mercy of the insider(s) they have access to. Those insiders could have their own agendas. They might not have access to what the journalist wants to report, so the insider pontificates. Or the insider could simply be lying for a variety of reasons (don't want truth to get out, want to boost their own ego, want to seem more important than they are, etc).

Media literacy in this age is woefully lacking, so we wind up thinking the "reporters" on programs like the video you posted know more than they really do.

[Boston Red]

I can think of several podcasts, youtube channels, and even cable outlets that make huge profits pretending that their content is journalism. Some even cynically use the word "news" in their names.
.

But enough about CNN. Hey yo!

(It's just a joke WV!)

[WrongVerb]

But enough about CNN. Hey yo!

(It's just a joke WV!)

Joke? CNN was the vanguard for what I'm criticizing. Even their "Headline News" channel was little more than anchors reading press releases. Heck, even Jon Stewart called out CNN in 2004 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ID-BkMCEw&pp=ygUcam9uIHN0ZXdhcnQgb24gY25uIGNyb3NzZmlyZQ%3D%3 D) for the same thing I'm highlighting now. I, myself, haven't watched cable news shows, or, to bring it back on topic, sports talk shows, in forever. In my mind, it's all garbage and I'm pained that so many people take it so seriously.

[Boss-Hog]

No political discussion in this area, please.

[Chip R]

They shouldn't give the impression that they have insider access when in reality they are talking out of their asses. I seek out the folks that truly do have access. For the Bengals that's Dave Lapham. I think Adam Schefter is pretty accurate nationally. When a pretender is exposed I like to spread the word with the smoking gun

The difference is they have a platform. More often than not predicting which team is going to take which player and predicting which player will become a star is an exercise in futility. You and I could do just as good of a job. But we don't have the platform.

[GAC]

They lost a draft pick for trading up

True. Pick #192. I don't think the risk is very great in these lower rounds IMO. It's not a huge gamble. So yeah, I'd give up those two lower round picks to move up several spots in that lower round to take a "flyer" on Sanders. If it doesn't pan out then they can lament over giving up that lower round pick.

But what if Sanders does pan out?

[yeah right! this is Cleveland!] :laugh:

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the punchlines on the internet are great...
"If [Jimmy Clausen] is not a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, I'm done. That's it. I'm out."

Punchline: We're waiting.

Compared JaWalrus Russell to John Elway. This one still burns me.

https://thinkbluela.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Were-Waiting.jpg

[Chip R]

True. Pick #192. I don't think the risk is very great in these lower rounds IMO. It's not a huge gamble. So yeah, I'd give up those two lower round picks to move up several spots in that lower round to take a "flyer" on Sanders. If it doesn't pan out then they can lament over giving up that lower round pick.

But what if Sanders does pan out?

[yeah right! this is Cleveland!] :laugh:

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Deion will blame CLE. And he may not be wrong. IIRC, they have 5 QBs in camp now. I think Watson is still recovering from injury and they basically couldn't release him anyway because of the cap hit it would cause. Flacco may be old but he's pretty savvy. Plus they took another QB ahead of Sanders. Most organizations are going to give the higher picked QB more of a break than the lower picked one. Who knows what will happen. Watson will probably start the year on IR. Flacco may decide he wants to retire. So there's your 3 QBs. One will most certainly be inactive for most games. Who knows if Sanders will even sign. He may demand 1st round money and not even sign. Honestly, that may not be the worst idea in the world for him. It may be the players but the Browns do not have a good history with young QBs.

[Boss-Hog]

Who knows if Sanders will even sign. He may demand 1st round money and not even sign. Honestly, that may not be the worst idea in the world for him. It may be the players but the Browns do not have a good history with young QBs.Since the 2011 CBA, rookie contracts are slotted ahead of time, so it's already known and agreed upon roughly the amount of money Sanders will receive. You don't see rookie holdouts any more for this reason.

[Slyder]

Since the 2011 CBA, rookie contracts are slotted ahead of time, so it's already known and agreed upon roughly the amount of money Sanders will receive. You don't see rookie holdouts any more for this reason.

Thanks JaWalrus Russell for ruining that for everyone!

[GAC]

Deion will blame CLE. And he may not be wrong. IIRC, they have 5 QBs in camp now. I think Watson is still recovering from injury and they basically couldn't release him anyway because of the cap hit it would cause. Flacco may be old but he's pretty savvy. Plus they took another QB ahead of Sanders. Most organizations are going to give the higher picked QB more of a break than the lower picked one. Who knows what will happen. Watson will probably start the year on IR. Flacco may decide he wants to retire. So there's your 3 QBs. One will most certainly be inactive for most games. Who knows if Sanders will even sign. He may demand 1st round money and not even sign. Honestly, that may not be the worst idea in the world for him. It may be the players but the Browns do not have a good history with young QBs.

I quit following the team/NFL three years ago. But that doesn't mean I don't like to follow the stories and "drama" in the sports section or on the news (lol).

The Browns have had 40 QBs since 1999. They should save the old stadium and use it as a graveyard for QBs (LOL)