Hunter Greene Injury History

[RedTeamGo!]

The injuries have really started to pile up for Hunter:

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/hunter-greene-player-injuries


DATE
INJURY
6/4/25
Groin
5/7/25
Groin
8/17/24
Elbow
8/31/23
Covid-19
6/18/23
Hip
4/17/23
Shin
8/5/22
Shoulder

And this does not include the TJ.

I understand it is the nature of the beast with regard to pitching in 2025. With that said, the Reds have developed a pipeline with starting pitching, and I am not saying it is a sure-thing they will all perform well. However, should the Reds start to consider unloading Hunter? Not right now, obviously, but perhaps this offseason if he can come back and show health the last month or two of the season?

I am not saying I personally believe they should or should not - I am honestly unsure - I just thought it would be an interesting topic.

[Sea Ray]

I think he should be shopped. Let's see what he can bring back. If it's a Castillo-like return I think I'll pass

I think Hunter has issues beyond the IL stints. I don't think he's a tough guy. How many folks puke just because of nerves? All of a sudden when he gets close to returning he says he felt his groin. Do all these MRIs really reflect the symptoms he's reporting? I admit I don't have the answers but I'm watching

[CySeymour]

If the deal would be for prospects, than no I don't think they should do it considering how well Greene performs when he is on the field. If it would return a real major league hitter? Than yeah, I think you have to at least consider it.

[mth123]

Some of these injuries were phantom ill trips to manage innings. The guy went 4 seasons after he was drafted where he pitched a total of less than 70 innings. In 2021 he threw about 100 innings and was rushed to the majors the following year so the Reds could trade off guys making any money. He wasn’t ready for a big league workload so phantom IL stints as he was building his innings base.

[JCM11]

If Hunter is traded I don't trust Krall to be the one to do it. It's unlikely the Reds will get equal value back if they deal him for prospects. An MLB team willing to give up a good young hitter or two for a potential ace would be the best fit. Probably Baltimore and Boston would seem like the best matches. I don't think he'll be moved now as he's only due 8 million next year. That's a ton of potential surplus value even if he just makes 25 starts next year.

[RiverfrontRed]

Given his talent level, he is definitely an underachiever. Too bad he doesn't have Elly's physical and mental conditioning and durability.

[westofyou]

He has an injury history, he's signed a 6 year 53 million dollar contract which will look delicious in a couple of year and it's already tasty, he has an ERA+ of 166 on a team that has not had consistent pitching in 70 years.

Plus, that Covid IL call is egregious for this list

No, I don't trade him to get a bat, something this fan base swoons over yearly. I'd shoot for better pitching and he would be part of my plan

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Given his talent level, he is definitely an underachiever. Too bad he doesn't have Elly's physical and mental conditioning and durability.

Wow... that's a low blow concerning the later part of that accusation

[RiverfrontRed]

Wow... that's a low blow concerning the later part of that accusation

What's low about it? Elly has a body and mind that puts it all on the line every game. I'm simply challenging the idea that Hunter does the same, based on the results.

[westofyou]

What's low about it? Elly has a body and mind that puts it all on the line every game. I'm simply challenging the idea that Hunter does the same, based on the results.

I don't think that sitting behind a keyboard qualifies us as being able to determine what a guy's "mental conditioning" is and I see it as a loaded term myself

[RedTeamGo!]

Plus, that Covid IL call is egregious for this list

It was a copy and pasted list from Fox

[westofyou]

It was a copy and pasted list from Fox

I'm sure it was, but hey editing is a skill

[RiverfrontRed]

I don't think that sitting behind a keyboard qualifies us as being able to determine what a guy's "mental conditioning" is and I see it as a loaded term myself


Pitchers used to go 9 innings with regularity. Now they're mentally conditioned to only throw 100 pitches, 5-7 innings. The thought of going more creates the belief that they're going to be injured. Baby yourself is the idea. It leads to a lack of mental toughness that once was a trademark on the mound. Hunter Greene is a poster child for that mentality.

Some of us are actually more physically active than just sitting behind a keyboard. Some of us train seriously and deal with dings and injuries all the time.

[westofyou]

Pitchers used to go 9 innings with regularity.

Batters used to ground out to the MI with regularity too.

If that's your baseline then run with it

[RiverfrontRed]

Batters used to ground out to the MI with regularity too.

If that's your baseline then run with it

I'm running!

[dfs]

Pitchers used to go 9 innings with regularity.


Don Gullet, Wayne Simpson and Gary Nolan say Hi.

[Sea Ray]

I'm running!

Hunter Greene aside this brand of baseball is not good. Banning shifts have not helped the offense. Neither have the torpedo bats. This game of strikeout/walk/HR is not entertaining. Until the 9th inning last night us Reds fans had to sit through two games consisting of a total of 5 hours or so to see only two hits. That's worse than watching a soccer match where your team manages 3-5 shots on goal

[RedTeamGo!]

I'm sure it was, but hey editing is a skill

Sorry to offend you lol

[Boston Red]

I think Hunter is generally fine. A little more injury prone than average, but he threw 150 innings last year, and he could easily still throw in the 130-140 range this year. That's just pitchers in this era. Trading him would be nuts, because someday the Reds are going to manage to find themselves in a playoff series, and having a guy like Hunter Greene to take the mound in game one is going to be huge.

I generally have a preference for the guys like Gore (who was throwing complete games in his high school playoffs right before the draft) compared to guys whose arms are babied, but they both ended up getting Tommy John surgery. So who knows?

[RedTeamGo!]

I normally push back hard against "mentally weak" and "soft" stuff - but kinda think Hunter is soft

[RiverRat13]

Hunter Greene aside this brand of baseball is not good. Banning shifts have not helped the offense. Neither have the torpedo bats. This game of strikeout/walk/HR is not entertaining. Until the 9th inning last night us Reds fans had to sit through two games consisting of a total of 5 hours or so to see only two hits. That's worse than watching a soccer match where your team manages 3-5 shots on goal

It was more fun because the Reds won, but I thought the opening game of the Phillies series was one of the most entertaining games of the year. 15 runs, 25 hits, only one home run. They can't all be that way, but you are right that the game is more fun when the ball is put in play.

Back to Hunter Greene... Zack Wheeler was injury prone until he wasn't. It's impossible to predict these things. I think Hunter has a better chance than most at staying healthy in the long term due to his athleticism, but by no means would I put money on it. I wouldn't trade him, though, unless you got a controllable >4 win everyday bat coming back to you, which isn't going to happen.

[westofyou]

Sorry to offend you lol

Not offended at all.

More disappointed ;)

[LeatherPants]

I normally push back hard against "mentally weak" and "soft" stuff - but kinda think Hunter is soft

You're now eligible to become Barstool's Cincinnati Reds correspondent. Just say "bro" a bunch and you'll do great.

[LiferJim]

Today’s brand of baseball sucks. Don’t throw more than 100 pitches or don’t steal because you might get hurt. It’s been mentioned before, but there is no incentive for these guys to play hurt because of how the contracts are written. I do believe there are players who are quote/unquote tougher than other guys, but they seem to be few and far between.

Maybe if some of these guys would actually learn how to pitch, without throwing the ball with maximum effort every single pitch, they could avoid the constant injuries. I don’t blame Hunter for consistently being hurt, because he’s just a product of the new philosophy.

Sadly, I don’t seeing this watered down version of the game changing anytime soon.


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[Mitri]

This thread is so provocative.

[RedTeamGo!]

You're now eligible to become Barstool's Cincinnati Reds correspondent. Just say "bro" a bunch and you'll do great.

Honestly, brother, it is all the puppy content Hunter puts out there :p

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don’t steal because you might get hurt.

Is this the reason teams aren't stealing, though? Historically I believe Tito is a "station to station" manager.

[LiferJim]

Honestly, brother, it is all the puppy content Hunter puts out there :p

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Is this the reason teams aren't stealing, though? Historically I believe Tito is a "station to station" manager.

Yea I think it’s Tito, but several mentioned it could be due to the wear and tear on the body, implying players should dial back their game. I say if speed is part of your game, use it.


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[RiverfrontRed]

This thread is so provocative.

I think we need a win tonight!

[RedTeamGo!]

This thread is so provocative.

It gets the people going!

[westofyou]

Yea I think it’s Tito, but several mentioned it could be due to the wear and tear on the body, implying players should dial back their game. I say if speed is part of your game, use it.


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A little of both is my guess, lean guys like Elly and Eric Davis can take a beating playing a key position and playing every day, 162 is a lot of baseball for anyone

[LiferJim]

A little of both is my guess, lean guys like Elly and Eric Davis can take a beating playing a key position and playing every day, 162 is a lot of baseball for anyone

I’ll reply in the Steals thread, as it certainly wasn’t my intention to hijack this thread


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[Sea Ray]

A little of both is my guess, lean guys like Elly and Eric Davis can take a beating playing a key position and playing every day, 162 is a lot of baseball for anyone

Interesting you’d choose those two to compare durability because that’s by far the most significant difference between the two. Elly plays every inning of every game. Eric Davis was always getting banged up and he struggled to play more than 125 games a year


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[westofyou]

I’ll reply in the Steals thread, as it certainly wasn’t my intention to hijack this thread


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Actually it plays right into the premise to the thread, "durability," "fan expectations," "Evolving game theory in MLB" "Entertainment Investments" and "Manliness"

[757690]

If the Reds are to actually win a playoff series, they are going to need Greene to be at the top of the rotation.

That’s the main value an ace has these days, helping you advance deep into the post season.

[Mitri]

Hunter is so inexpensive for what he *could* produce, it’s probably worth more to keep him around and hope for health. I do get the temptation and don’t think it’s an absurd idea.

What we should all be rooting for is for them to stop being so cheap around this group while they are still relatively inexpensive.

[Ron Madden]

I guess there's always going to be somebody that wants to be the first one to declare a player a "Bust" "Washed Up" or a "Mental Case." It happens in every sport since fan message boards on the internet.

There's all kinds of fans and all kinds of opinions I guess.

[RedTeamGo!]

I guess there's always going to be somebody that wants to be the first one to declare a player a "Bust" "Washed Up" or a "Mental Case." It happens in every sport since fan message boards on the internet.

There's all kinds of fans and all kinds of opinions I guess.

Hunter is clearly not a “bust” or “washed up” - that is why it is so frustrating that he rarely plays.

[RiverfrontRed]

If the Reds are to actually win a playoff series, they are going to need Greene to be at the top of the rotation.

That’s the main value an ace has these days, helping you advance deep into the post season.

Better keep in in bubble wrap then.

[RiverfrontRed]

I guess there's always going to be somebody that wants to be the first one to declare a player a "Bust" "Washed Up" or a "Mental Case." It happens in every sport since fan message boards on the internet.

There's all kinds of fans and all kinds of opinions I guess.
I don't think he's any of those. It's possible he's soft. He's definitely not durable. I don't think he'll ever be a grinder. He's like an expensive sports car. If you try to drive it every day, it's going to end up in the shop all the time.

[Wonderful Monds]

I normally push back hard against "mentally weak" and "soft" stuff - but kinda think Hunter is soft

He’s been one of my favorites in the near decade since we brought him in, but you have a guy who was semi pro kind of treated like all star athlete before he ever even entered professional sports

Yeah idk. He’s kind of been a celeb for a long time in baseball/prospect terms. LA guy. He was never a punk who had to snap out of it like Bryce Harper, but kind of similar “high profile” backgrounds.

He’s been able to power through on sheer talent for most of his career vs. Elly if that’s the comparison, who had to scrap his way to the bigs.

Idk if he’s soft per se. But he does definitely come from a “treat his arm like fine china” athletic background, he may have more of that instinct to err on the side of being pretty cautious.

[TRF]

Let's see.

Hunter misses all of 2019 with TJ. 2020 is a cancelled minor league season. In 2018, when he suffered the tear, he was at Low A Dayton.

2021, eased in, as he should have been, 21 starts. AA and AAA
2022, turned loose a bit 3 starts at AAA, 24 at MLB for a combined 27.
2023 4 starts in the minors (rehab) 22 with the Reds.
2024 26 starts all with the Reds. No appearance in the minors
2025 11, and he's missed at least 7 starts. That sucks.

I'd like it to be 30 starts a year too, but he pitches far more than he doesn't. 2025 was bad luck, something the Reds always seem to have.

[Todd Gack]

Didn't Hunter undergo a much better strength and conditioning program in the offseason?

[TRF]

He’s been able to power through on sheer talent for most of his career vs. Elly if that’s the comparison, who had to scrap his way to the bigs.

umm. wut?



Year
Age
Tm
Lg
Lev
G
PA
AB
R
H
2B
3B
HR
RBI
SB
CS
BB
SO
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS


2019
17
Reds
DOSL
FRk
43
186
165
24
47
11
1
1
26
3
6
14
45
.285
.351
.382
.733


2020












































2021
19
2 Teams
2 Lgs
A-Rk
61
265
247
35
73
18
9
8
42
10
5
14
80
.296
.336
.538
.874


2022
20
2 Teams
2 Lgs
A+-AA
121
513
471
87
143
31
9
28
86
47
6
40
158
.304
.359
.586
.945


2023
21
Louisville
IL
AAA
38
186
158
38
47
11
3
12
36
11
6
26
50
.297
.398
.633
1.031


2023
21
CIN
NL
Maj
98
427
388
67
91
15
7
13
44
35
8
35
144
.235
.300
.410
.710


2024
22
CIN
NL
Maj
160
696
618
105
160
36
10
25
76
67
16
69
218
.259
.339
.471
.809


2025
23
CIN
NL
Maj
92
394
353
68
97
15
2
18
60
22
6
38
99
.275
.348
.482
.829



When was Elly NOT one of the most talented players on the field? .298 .359 .549 .908 as a minor leaguer is not scrapping your way to anything.

[RedTeamGo!]

umm. wut?



Year
Age
Tm
Lg
Lev
G
PA
AB
R
H
2B
3B
HR
RBI
SB
CS
BB
SO
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS


2019
17
Reds
DOSL
FRk
43
186
165
24
47
11
1
1
26
3
6
14
45
.285
.351
.382
.733


2020












































2021
19
2 Teams
2 Lgs
A-Rk
61
265
247
35
73
18
9
8
42
10
5
14
80
.296
.336
.538
.874


2022
20
2 Teams
2 Lgs
A+-AA
121
513
471
87
143
31
9
28
86
47
6
40
158
.304
.359
.586
.945


2023
21
Louisville
IL
AAA
38
186
158
38
47
11
3
12
36
11
6
26
50
.297
.398
.633
1.031


2023
21
CIN
NL
Maj
98
427
388
67
91
15
7
13
44
35
8
35
144
.235
.300
.410
.710


2024
22
CIN
NL
Maj
160
696
618
105
160
36
10
25
76
67
16
69
218
.259
.339
.471
.809


2025
23
CIN
NL
Maj
92
394
353
68
97
15
2
18
60
22
6
38
99
.275
.348
.482
.829



When was Elly NOT one of the most talented players on the field? .298 .359 .549 .908 as a minor leaguer is not scrapping your way to anything.

He is referring to how Greene was drafted #2 overall with a pedigree of being the baseball version of Lebron James.

Elly on the other hand was a nothing signing, he signed for peanuts. Had to work his way up from the DSL. Nobody had any idea who Elly was until he made them know.

[JCM11]

He is referring to how Greene was drafted #2 overall with a pedigree of being the baseball version of Lebron James.

Elly on the other hand was a nothing signing, he signed for peanuts. Had to work his way up from the DSL. Nobody had any idea who Elly was until he made them know.

Yeah it's not hard to figure out. Hunter was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at the same age Elly signed for 60k as an unknown.

[Wonderful Monds]

He is referring to how Greene was drafted #2 overall with a pedigree of being the baseball version of Lebron James.

Elly on the other hand was a nothing signing, he signed for peanuts. Had to work his way up from the DSL. Nobody had any idea who Elly was until he made them know.

Yeah like as much as every top 3, top 5, whatever pick in the draft already has a big development machine behind them before they’re even drafted, Hunter was a phenom. If sort of turned overnight where every other team in the league has one, but Hunter was “an actual for real starting pitcher who throws 103 mph” when that was still thought of as like the holy grail.

He had those Harper/Strasburg/Griffey/ARod comps for a reason. Guy had a whole Hunter Greene Industrial Complex behind him lol.

[westofyou]

You can appreciate both players arcs as being both unique and difficult

They shouldn't be used to measure the others progress or results IMO

[TRF]

He is referring to how Greene was drafted #2 overall with a pedigree of being the baseball version of Lebron James.

Elly on the other hand was a nothing signing, he signed for peanuts. Had to work his way up from the DSL. Nobody had any idea who Elly was until he made them know.

I get that. I just hate it. By the time Elly was 17-18, had he been a high school prep, he'd have gone in the first round, easy. Or do people think that .285 .351 .382 .733 in the DSL as a 17 year old is bad? No, it's a stereo type. No HS team in the U.S. is ever beating a DSL team, and he was damn good at that level. Elly was 1st round talent, period. It's a bad comparison is all.

I do understand the overhyping of Greene vs Elly, but had Elly attended an LA high school, do you think he would have been ignored? Hell no. He'd have been on every prospect publication multiple times over.

And honestly, the hype stuff is overrated anyway. We knew who Greene was before he was drafted. We knew who Justin Bieber was before he sold a single song. It's still on the individual to perform, and IMO both have.

Or we can just call Greene soft. Because he learned Violin and was learning to speak Korean and reasons(he makes millions and we don't). As a Red prior to this season he's averaged 24 starts per. It's not great. It also not rarely pitches.

[Boston Red]

No, it's a stereo type.

What's the stereotype?

[AlaskaReds]

Don't trade him, just get a rotation good enough where we can baby him through the regular season, and have him start Game 1 of the playoffs.
A trio of
1. Greene
2. Abbott
3. Burns

Could be as good as any in the playoffs. Then we just have to figure out the offense, bullpen, and health

[TRF]

What's the stereotype?

That a player signed out of the DR has to claw his way into being "noticed". The same aged "prep" player gets signed in the 1st round and makes millions the moment he puts pen to paper. Yes, I get that's the game.

I just do not understand undervaluing a person because of an imaginary line on a map, from a fan's perspective. Sans Hunter Greene, the two best prospects the Reds have produced since 2000 are a Canadian and a Dominican. The rest aren't within a country mile.

But, and here is the real thing here, once all three signed contracts, they all basically played at the same levels except the Dominican. He played in the DSL at age 17 when the other two were getting fitted for Prom gear. That's it, that is the difference.

[RedTeamGo!]

That a player signed out of the DR has to claw his way into being "noticed". The same aged "prep" player gets signed in the 1st round and makes millions the moment he puts pen to paper. Yes, I get that's the game.

I just do not understand undervaluing a person because of an imaginary line on a map, from a fan's perspective. Sans Hunter Greene, the two best prospects the Reds have produced since 2000 are a Canadian and a Dominican. The rest aren't within a country mile.

But, and here is the real thing here, once all three signed contracts, they all basically played at the same levels except the Dominican. He played in the DSL at age 17 when the other two were getting fitted for Prom gear. That's it, that is the difference.

I don't really understand what you are talking about. Obviously Elly had to grind more than Hunter. What even is the controversy here?

You honestly don't understand that someone that was on the cover of sports illustrated as a high schooler that signed for one of the largest signing bonuses in the history of baseball is going to have a different path to the majors than someone who nobody knew and signed for a $60,000 signing bonus?

There are domincans that sign huge contracts, he wasn't one of them. He had to prove himself every step of the way. Hunter had the benefit of the doubt the moment he was drafted. Elly did not have anything resembling the benefit of the doubt.

[Wonderful Monds]

I get that. I just hate it. By the time Elly was 17-18, had he been a high school prep, he'd have gone in the first round, easy. Or do people think that .285 .351 .382 .733 in the DSL as a 17 year old is bad? No, it's a stereo type. No HS team in the U.S. is ever beating a DSL team, and he was damn good at that level. Elly was 1st round talent, period. It's a bad comparison is all.

I do understand the overhyping of Greene vs Elly, but had Elly attended an LA high school, do you think he would have been ignored? Hell no. He'd have been on every prospect publication multiple times over.

And honestly, the hype stuff is overrated anyway. We knew who Greene was before he was drafted. We knew who Justin Bieber was before he sold a single song. It's still on the individual to perform, and IMO both have.

Or we can just call Greene soft. Because he learned Violin and was learning to speak Korean and reasons(he makes millions and we don't). As a Red prior to this season he's averaged 24 starts per. It's not great. It also not rarely pitches.

It’s not a talent thing as it were so much as it is what kind of development background did they come from

Greene came from a pretty careful personal training regimen in an era where pitchers arms were already being treated like glass. Greene even more so probably as a potential number 1 overall whose arm warranted protection. Guy probably subconsciously defaults to “better be careful with this” when it comes to injury.

Elly came out of a DR baseball academy. Granted he was always talented but you’re still fighting to make a name for yourself. Without a whole ESPN coverage type career basically on the roll out plan for you, you might be inclined to rub a little more dirt on it.

Or maybe Hunter just shares a great great uncle twice removed with Nick Senzel.

All entirely speculative lol

[RedTeamGo!]

There was a report yesterday that Tito said Elly wants to play at all times, doesn't want to leave the field. Asked not to be DH'd. The guy literally didn't miss a game when his sister died. Call me crazy, but if Elly has a tweaked thumb I just don't think he is sitting out. For better or worse.

Does anyone seriously view Hunter Greene as that kind of player? I get impression Hunter would sit out if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

[LeatherPants]

There was a report yesterday that Tito said Elly wants to play at all times, doesn't want to leave the field. Asked not to be DH'd. The guy literally didn't miss a game when his sister died. Call me crazy, but if Elly has a tweaked thumb I just don't think he is sitting out. For better or worse.

Does anyone seriously view Hunter Greene as that kind of player? I get impression Hunter would sit out if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

Trying to compare a starter and a position player based on vibes about injuries seems pretty apples and oranges. Like, do you honestly think that if Hunter is injured he should be in there trying to pitch? Come on man.

[westofyou]

There was a report yesterday that Tito said Elly wants to play at all times, doesn't want to leave the field. Asked not to be DH'd. The guy literally didn't miss a game when his sister died. Call me crazy, but if Elly has a tweaked thumb I just don't think he is sitting out. For better or worse.

Does anyone seriously view Hunter Greene as that kind of player? I get impression Hunter would sit out if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

Keep musing, it's amusing

[RedTeamGo!]

Trying to compare a starter and a position player based on vibes about injuries seems pretty apples and oranges. Like, do you honestly think that if Hunter is injured he should be in there trying to pitch? Come on man.

Depends on the injury, and I am not saying he should be in there. I am saying, does anyone think he would go in there if he wasn't feeling 100%? I am simply backing up what WM said. I think he is hitting the nail on the head.

[westofyou]

Depends on the injury, and I am not saying he should be in there. I am saying, does anyone think he would go in there if he wasn't feeling 100%? I am simply backing up what WM said. I think he is hitting the nail on the head.

Which bulldog pitcher are we looking at for Hunter to emulate?

[Boston Red]

Which bulldog pitcher are we looking at for Hunter to emulate?

Mentioned already above, but just from his high school class I'd like a bit of MacKenzie Gore in him. Greene quit his high school team. Perfectly understandable decision. Gore led his team to a state championship and pitched for them in June just ahead of the draft. I prefer the Gore approach. I wouldn't trade Greene for Gore, but I prefer than mentality.

Gore threw 166 innings last year and has thrown 104 innings in 18 starts this year.

[RedTeamGo!]

Which bulldog pitcher are we looking at for Hunter to emulate?

None

however, if this is what we can expect moving forward, him pitching 50% of the season, at best, I say trade him this offseason.

[westofyou]

None

however, if this is what we can expect moving forward, him pitching 50% of the season, at best, I say trade him this offseason.

"IF" that's some solid stuff, how long do we wait for "IF"

[redsfan9988]

There was a report yesterday that Tito said Elly wants to play at all times, doesn't want to leave the field. Asked not to be DH'd. The guy literally didn't miss a game when his sister died. Call me crazy, but if Elly has a tweaked thumb I just don't think he is sitting out. For better or worse.

Does anyone seriously view Hunter Greene as that kind of player? I get impression Hunter would sit out if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

It’s frustrating the Hunter has been injury prone.

It’s doubly frustrating that it feels like the whole team is injury prone.

But I would never presume to make it about someone’s “toughness.”

His injury track record encourages him to let someone know if something feels off. That way, you don’t turn a couple of weeks into a couple of months (or worse).

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Mentioned already above, but just from his high school class I'd like a bit of MacKenzie Gore in him. Greene quit his high school team. Perfectly understandable decision. Gore led his team to a state championship and pitched for them in June just ahead of the draft. I prefer the Gore approach. I wouldn't trade Greene for Gore, but I prefer than mentality.

Gore threw 166 innings last year and has thrown 104 innings in 18 starts this year.

Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in the State Championship game. Let’s trade for him.

[westofyou]

Mentioned already above, but just from his high school class I'd like a bit of MacKenzie Gore in him. Greene quit his high school team. Perfectly understandable decision. Gore led his team to a state championship and pitched for them in June just ahead of the draft. I prefer the Gore approach. I wouldn't trade Greene for Gore, but I prefer than mentality.

Gore threw 166 innings last year and has thrown 104 innings in 18 starts this year.

Hunter 447 IP since 2022, Gore 477

[RiverfrontRed]

There was a report yesterday that Tito said Elly wants to play at all times, doesn't want to leave the field. Asked not to be DH'd. The guy literally didn't miss a game when his sister died. Call me crazy, but if Elly has a tweaked thumb I just don't think he is sitting out. For better or worse.

Does anyone seriously view Hunter Greene as that kind of player? I get impression Hunter would sit out if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

Yeah I made the same point earlier. Part of durability is a mindset.

[Boston Red]

Hunter 447 IP since 2022, Gore 477

The gap in the last 2+ season is 85 innings.

[TRF]

None

however, if this is what we can expect moving forward, him pitching 50% of the season, at best, I say trade him this offseason.On what math is 24 starts 50% 0f the season. That was his average season prior to this year.

[RedTeamGo!]

"IF" that's some solid stuff, how long do we wait for "IF"

Yes, the reds should just stay the course and not try anything. They are doing a bang up job.

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prior to this year.

And why would we delete this season from the equation?

[Wonderful Monds]

There was a report yesterday that Tito said Elly wants to play at all times, doesn't want to leave the field. Asked not to be DH'd. The guy literally didn't miss a game when his sister died. Call me crazy, but if Elly has a tweaked thumb I just don't think he is sitting out. For better or worse.

Does anyone seriously view Hunter Greene as that kind of player? I get impression Hunter would sit out if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

And for all we know, maybe he knows to be cautious, maybe he’s pretty self aware of when certain things hits goofy looking discomfort pain face level 6 on the scale it’s a sign something might tweak.

Maybe he’s got that “you never fully trust your body 100% the same way again after a broken bone or torn muscle” thing, and what once may have seemed like a “can play through it” thing feels like a “this might cost me and the team” thing.

Maybe stuff is just creaking around in him a good bit.

Regardless, guy do be missing a fair amount of time.

[TRF]

I don't really understand what you are talking about. Obviously Elly had to grind more than Hunter. What even is the controversy here?

You honestly don't understand that someone that was on the cover of sports illustrated as a high schooler that signed for one of the largest signing bonuses in the history of baseball is going to have a different path to the majors than someone who nobody knew and signed for a $60,000 signing bonus?

There are domincans that sign huge contracts, he wasn't one of them. He had to prove himself every step of the way. Hunter had the benefit of the doubt the moment he was drafted. Elly did not have anything resembling the benefit of the doubt.

Prior to becoming a pro? sure. that's the world. Compared to Greene nearly every player not named Bryce Harper had to grind. Greene's contemporaries in a sense are Harper, LeBron, and Jr. Others to be sure, but those three stand out.

After he became a pro? Its a wash. It is. Elly didn't grind any harder than Hunter did in the minors. He's just been healthier.

I'm trying to remember the last HS kid from the DR that signed for as much as a 15th overall pick in any year. I'm certain it has maybe happened. probably. I think it was close in 2024? $4.2M to Leodalis De Vries vs Carson Benje $4.2M at #19. So, yeah, they do get some big money. Just not THE big money. I wonder what Pena could have gotten as a high school kid from Florida or South Texas?

So, here is what I am saying. And again, this is just my opinion. You are 100% correct in that there was a hype machine for Hunter prior to him signing a contract. Said machine promoted him like crazy and may have helped in him being picked at #2 overall.

But once they are in the system he had to work just as hard to get promoted as everyone else. At that point the hype doesn't matter. 1st rounders get more rope. Always have since signing bonuses got crazy. Teams need to justify that bonus. Teams that trade for first rounders always think they can be fixed. (Senzel, India, Benson).

What I think is funny, is Senzel was never called "soft". Brittle? sure, but that's the nickname for oft injured players. And he's missed a helluva lot more than Greene. But never soft. He's a gamer, toughs it out. He plays hurt. Stuff like that.

Richardson has missed a lot of time. Antone too. Both are "tough". They are fighting to get back, to help the team.

But sure, Greene is soft and the Reds should trade him because he's not starting 48 games a year.

S - A - W - F - T.

I think basically I am saying there is a difference between quitting on your team and being hurt. I hated Senzel as a player. I never once doubted his desire to be on the team, to play. He just couldn't. Questioning a players mental makeup is weak.

Unless it is Anthony Richardson in the middle of a game. That was soft.

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And why would we delete this season from the equation?

because it is not over?

[UKFlounder]

Per Goldsmith

Terry Francona said Hunter Greene is going to the spring training facility to rehab. There’s no new injury, but there are still symptoms. Francona said that Greene has to feel confident. “There’s no roadmap” for the next step in his progression.

[Boston Red]

I figured something like that was coming. Not ideal.

[redsfan9988]

Hunter Greene’s injury history is frustrating

Agreed, especially since he’s on the short list of best pitchers in the whole sport. In his last 37 starts, he has a 163 ERA+ and a 1.00 WHIP. That’ll do just fine. His inability to stay consistently healthy… well… it sucks. It sucks that he’s missed so much time in his prime

Hunter Greene’s injury history means he doesn’t have the Heart of a Champion

This is ridiculous message board nonsense… border on Facebook-level nonsense. If was healthy enough to help the team, he’d be out there helping the team.

We should trade Greene since he can’t stay healthy

The other 29 teams read RedsZone too. They know all about his health issues and will adjust his value accordingly. There are no secrets here. We’re not going to outsmart everyone here.

[westofyou]

Yes, the reds should just stay the course and not try anything. They are doing a bang up job.



You're right, they should totally be reactive about a pitchers injuries in an era of MLB that is churning out a groundbreaking number of pitchers injuries, the Reds should by all means look at this like it's the one thing that is holding them back from domination in MLB and trade him to some team that is not aware of Greene's injury history and fan induced softness label.

[RedTeamGo!]

Francona said that Greene has to feel confident. .

I mean......

[westofyou]

Well we could debate about this all day, but not feeling the vibes but I'll leave this

In the past two seasons here are the top five starters with over 200 IP in ERA +

Skenes -218
Skubal - 178
Wheeler -178
Sale -172
Hunter -163

Now you can point out that Hunter has the fewest IP with 210, Wheeler has 318 for the most, he also makes 42 million a year.

It's a gamble when you have pitchers, trading great pitchers is a bad franchise move in my opinion

[Tommyjohn25]

Per Goldsmith

Terry Francona said Hunter Greene is going to the spring training facility to rehab. There’s no new injury, but there are still symptoms. Francona said that Greene has to feel confident. “There’s no roadmap” for the next step in his progression.

This isn’t a term I throw around very often, but if the shoe fits?

Soft.

[Smjjaz]

This isn’t a term I throw around very often, but if the shoe fits?

Soft.

I am starting to wonder...

[westofyou]

Me too.. but not about Greene

[Mitri]

Some Cubs reporter suggested the Reds trade Greene for Duran.

Is anyone in favor of that trade? I’m sort of on the fence at this point.

[RedTeamGo!]

Some Cubs reporter suggested the Reds trade Greene for Duran.

Is anyone in favor of that trade? I’m sort of on the fence at this point.

The Red Sox would need to throw in prospects in addition to Duran. Duran alone is not enough.

[Wonderful Monds]

It’s frustrating the Hunter has been injury prone.

It’s doubly frustrating that it feels like the whole team is injury prone.

But I would never presume to make it about someone’s “toughness.”

His injury track record encourages him to let someone know if something feels off. That way, you don’t turn a couple of weeks into a couple of months (or worse).

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Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in the State Championship game. Let’s trade for him.

If the whole team is as injury prone as it’s been for like at least a decade can we start questioning yet if they’re skimping on training and conditioning much like they do with everything else in the organization lol

[JCM11]

Some Cubs reporter suggested the Reds trade Greene for Duran.

Is anyone in favor of that trade? I’m sort of on the fence at this point.

Not a chance I'd do that one for one. Greene is a legitimate ace caliber SP, and is 3 years younger with an extra year of control. Roman Anthony would be the asking price for me, and Boston would turn it down which means no deal. I think Baltimore or Detroit would be better fits. Max Clark and Bryce Rainer get it done for me.

[CaiGuy]

Some Cubs reporter suggested the Reds trade Greene for Duran.

Is anyone in favor of that trade? I’m sort of on the fence at this point.

That's a closer deal then I thought at first glance. Both were high end producers last year and both controllable to 2029.

I would be tempted, because the Reds don't have enough MLB OF'ers and frankly have zero reinforcements in the immediate pipeline.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not a chance I'd do that one for one. Greene is a legitimate ace caliber SP, and is 3 years younger with an extra year of control. Roman Anthony would be the asking price for me, and Boston would turn it down which means no deal. I think Baltimore or Detroit would be better fits. Max Clark and Bryce Rainer get it done for me.

I regularly read a Tigers board and the other day when that Skenes to Tigers thing came up on ESPN, a poster on there said he would not trade Max Clark straight up for Skenes. Thought that was hilarious.

[JCM11]

I regularly read a Tigers board and the other day when that Skenes to Tigers thing came up on ESPN, a poster on there said he would not trade Max Clark straight up for Skenes. Thought that was hilarious.

That is funny. It would take all of McGonigle, Clark, and Rainer to get Skenes, but the Tigers are one of the few teams that could put together a realistic package for him. It'll be interesting to see how aggressive they are with a first place team and all that talent in the minors.

[westofyou]

Not a chance I'd do that one for one. Greene is a legitimate ace caliber SP, and is 3 years younger with an extra year of control. Roman Anthony would be the asking price for me, and Boston would turn it down which means no deal. I think Baltimore or Detroit would be better fits. Max Clark and Bryce Rainer get it done for me.

Roman Anthony huge hitch in his swing is over valued

Reds fans should be worried they'd lose that deal

[WrongVerb]

If I could have any of Boston's outfielders, I'd take Rafaela. He's going to put up great numbers playing incredible CF. He's close to untouchable for Boston, though.

[RedTeamGo!]

From the Dayton Daily News, just putting this here for funsies:


Even though De La Cruz has been banged up a bit at a few different points this season, he has made a point to play every single day. De La Cruz is the Reds’ best hitter, and he also helps set the tone.

[westofyou]

From the Dayton Daily News, just putting this here for funsies:

First Klu was a Jake then Fifty years ago it was Peter Edward as Elly and JB as Greene

Fans like to think everyone is the same player which is cute

[RedTeamGo!]

First Klu was a Jake then Fifty years ago it was Peter Edward as Elly and JB as Greene

Fans like to think everyone is the same player which is cute

you're the only person that gets it

[Tommyjohn25]

One guy has played through everything - every day, up to and including the death of his own sister.

The other guy is in Arizona with a clean MRI, with no visible evidence of injury while his team is fighting daily for a playoff spot.

No they are not the same player. And I think I’ve been here long enough to prove I don’t really “bash” too many players. Front office and ownership? Yeah, fair game. But not players too often, and certainly not their toughness. I feel it’s warranted in this case and I don’t think I’m alone.

[westofyou]

you're the only person that gets it

Apparently so

[Todd Gack]

I regularly read a Tigers board and the other day when that Skenes to Tigers thing came up on ESPN, a poster on there said he would not trade Max Clark straight up for Skenes. Thought that was hilarious.

What's the Tigers best board?

[Todd Gack]

You're right, they should totally be reactive about a pitchers injuries in an era of MLB that is churning out a groundbreaking number of pitchers injuries, the Reds should by all means look at this like it's the one thing that is holding them back from domination in MLB and trade him to some team that is not aware of Greene's injury history and fan induced softness label.

I still never understood why they let him make 2 unnecessary starts at the end of last season.

[westofyou]

I still never understood why they let him make 2 unnecessary starts at the end of last season.

Because he said he owed it to the team

“Being able to go out there and play the game that I love and do it with my teammates, to be back out there with those guys ... It’s tough being in the clubhouse on a day-to-day basis," Greene said. "I’m still getting my work in but not being out there physically on the field with those guys was tough. To be able to come back out and feel great today was really cool.”

[Todd Gack]

Because he said he owed it to the team

“Being able to go out there and play the game that I love and do it with my teammates, to be back out there with those guys ... It’s tough being in the clubhouse on a day-to-day basis," Greene said. "I’m still getting my work in but not being out there physically on the field with those guys was tough. To be able to come back out and feel great today was really cool.”

Yeah, it makes no sense. We're being overly cautious with this groin issue when we're fighting for a playoff spot but we're going to go out there and make two starts in meaningless September games?

[RedTeamGo!]

What's the Tigers best board?

Motownforums.com

[westofyou]

Yeah, it makes no sense. We're being overly cautious with this groin issue when we're fighting for a playoff spot but we're going to go out there and make two starts in meaningless September games?

Are the Reds "fighting for a playoff spot" on July 11th?

Not really, but keep telling yourself that it is happening

The third WC spot is garbage, don't strive for that, it's a fools errand

Build a good team and you won't need to strive for that

[westofyou]

Here's my take

Pitching is an art, all pitchers are one throw away from a career outside of baseball, comparing position players to pitchers is ridiculous, they are different animals. A pitcher is a regimented machine that depends on health and repetition, I'm wary of pushing guys to perform when they are hurt, especially for garbage slots three months from the end of the season.

This is real life, not Hollywood

[RiverfrontRed]

Are the Reds "fighting for a playoff spot" on July 11th?

Not really, but keep telling yourself that it is happening

The third WC spot is garbage, don't strive for that, it's a fools errand

Build a good team and you won't need to strive for that

Yeah put him on ice for when the Reds are real contenders. We don't want him to tweak anything.

[westofyou]

Yeah put him on ice for when the Reds are real contenders. We don't want him to tweak anything.

Not " Ice" the *****fest has been that he "feels a twinge'" in his groin and is trepidatious. Since it's not an arm injury folks question his "resilience"

And here we are, a lot of people who grew up watching big legged MF'S with big butts like Seaver, and Clemons throw the ball are questioning a guys "makeup" because the base of his delivery (which has thrown more 100 mph pitches as anyone else recently) is unstable.

Let it evolve organically and quit man shaming him from your laptop

[TheBigLebowski]

"IF" that's some solid stuff, how long do we wait for "IF"

That’s what makes this such a dilly of a pickle. These are really difficult decisions.

Me? I keep him. Keep him as Red as long as I can.

However, he’s my favorite current Red, so I’m a bit biased.

I don’t disagree that suggesting or insinuating he’s soft or doesn’t have the desire to play through a thigh bruise or a sprained pinky toe is unfair as no one can possibly know, and I do think if he sustained a serious injury from “pitching through something” most of the crowd would be apoplectic with him and the much-maligned Reds medical staff.

But the basic question is fair to ask, especially for a small market team with limited resources. Unfortunately, a few the players in what we consider to be our young core are injury prone. We’ve had some rough luck in that area.

I do think the Reds would have to listen if someone called. As long as the guy picking up the phone and entertaining the discussion is someone other than Nick Krall.

[RiverfrontRed]

Let it evolve organically and quit man shaming him from your laptop

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Big Klu]

I do not think he is soft, by any means. I do think that he seems to be incredibly fragile, and I don't foresee him as becoming magically more durable as he gets older. I would quietly be willing to shop him (for the right return) so that it becomes somebody else's problem.

He is incredibly effective when he is actually on the mound, but he is tracking toward being a glass cannon. But maybe that's life in today's Baseball 5.0 -- be happy if you can get 135 to 140 innings out of a guy.

[UPRedsFan]

Hunter is signed to a very reasonable contract. Because they managed to do that, they won't want to trade that high value, lower cost asset.

[elrojo]

Maybe Hunter is going to turn out to be the Stephen Strasburg of our time. At least Strasburg
got well enough to lead the Nats to the promised land.

[RiverfrontRed]

Maybe Hunter is going to turn out to be the Stephen Strasburg of our time. At least Strasburg
got well enough to lead the Nats to the promised land.

Fair comp.