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[RedTeamGo!]

What evidence have you seen to support this? Or is this just speculation without any?

There have been multiple reports that the school knew about this for months. Josh Pate said Manuel had been reaching out to agents or coaches for a month, at least.

I think it’s fairly obvious what is going on.

[MWM]

There have been multiple reports that the school knew about this for months. Josh Pate said Manuel had been reaching out to agents or coaches for a month, at least.

I think it’s fairly obvious what is going on.

I listened to the Pate interview thinking he would share that he had a source that told him Michigan knew for a long time (investigation didn't even start until late October). But it turns out that there was speculation something was going on that could lead to Moore's ouster, but the rest of his comments were entirely his own speculation that they knew and were delaying on purpose. He offered nothing other than agents had a hunch the job would open. And even that sounded a bit shady. So "multiple reports" is nothing more than self proclaimed social media personalities speculating. I haven't see any evidence.

So what's fairly obvious to you makes no earthly sense to me. What's fairly obvious to me is that this is the worst possible timing for the university and the football program and I can't see why they would purposely choose it because it was never going to serve them well. Anyone who has been through a high profile termination for cause will tell you there's just no way you can rush it. So I'd love for someone to lay it out in detail in a way that makes logical sense as to them knowing about it for a long time but not doing anything about it. I've yet to see such an explanation.

And Pate did not say Manuel has been reaching out to agents. He said agents have been expecting the job to be open. Pretty big difference between the 2. There's no way an AD at a school like Michigan is reaching out to agents while also wanting to keep it secret. You think agents are not going to talk to the media?

[Fil3232]

Warde Manuel is out as AD at Michigan.

[MWM]

What's now being reported is that the university had heard rumors back in August and spoke to both Moore and the staffer and they were adamant in that nothing was going on. Then yesterday morning she showed up and changed her story and came clean to the university. They fired him later that same day. That's a far cry from the university knowing about it for months, but waited to see if he beat Ohio State and/or after national signing day. This is why you wait for the evidence to come out unlike Pate who wasn't even pretending he wasn't just speculating.

[Boston Red]

Warde Manuel is out as AD at Michigan.

The only place I see that being reported is on basically a parody account on X.

[MWM]

Warde Manuel is out as AD at Michigan.

Thank goodness. There's also reports that he fired Moore alone without any HR or legal and he had been told Moore was dealing with mental health issues. What a train wreck. Great job hiring Dusty May though.

[Boston Red]

There's also reports that he fired Moore alone without any HR and he had been told Moore was dealing with mental health issues.

Not sure what that would have provided other than some CYA for the university.

[MWM]

Not sure what that would have provided other than some CYA for the university.

That's exactly why. CYA is a wise approach in these situations. I never talk alone to problem employees when hard conversations need to happen. There's also the idea that he's still a human, and is dealing with mental health, so maybe it's a good idea to have someone there who has training and experience in these situations.

[MWM]

Apparently, Moore gave this assistant a 55% raise to $90k out of nowhere. Dumb in so many levels. You're trying to keep it secret and you give her a big raise?

Not sure why she changed her mind, but the reporting is that she shoes with receipts, text messages, and other hard evidence. I'm curious why she changed her mind.

[Boston Red]

Sure, it would have been a wise approach from UM's standpoint. But given the facts, it's extremely unlikely to have changed anything that happened after the firing.

[MWM]

Sure, it would have been a wise approach from UM's standpoint. But give then facts, it's extremely unlikely to have changed anything that happened after the firing.

Maybe it wasn't likely. But that's still not a good reason to not take a "wise approach" as you said. I don't think it's a big deal as much as it shows, at least to me, that Manuel doesn't show great judgement.

[MWM]

Some reports are coming in that Moore was a bit of a player and had been investigated previously relating to conduct with women. This may have been a pattern with him.

[Assembly Hall]

Some reports are coming in that Moore was a bit of a player and had been investigated previously relating to conduct with women. This may have been a pattern with him.

Like investigated before he was named the HC?

[*BaseClogger*]

Guy was sliding into the DMs of OF models. But Michigan asked him about it in August and he said no so obviously that’s that.

[MWM]

Like investigated before he was named the HC?

No, after head coach but before all this went down. If true, he was like Tiger Woods, meaning it was just a matter of time

[MWM]

Call it a hunch, but this feels like a story that is just getting started. I have a feeling a lot more is going to be coming about Sherrone Moore in the coming days.

[RiverRat13]

Apparently, Moore gave this assistant a 55% raise to $90k out of nowhere. Dumb in so many levels. You're trying to keep it secret and you give her a big raise?

Not sure why she changed her mind, but the reporting is that she shoes with receipts, text messages, and other hard evidence. I'm curious why she changed her mind.

The raise came the same year he was promoted to head coach. I could see a world where being the head coach's assistant is worth 55% more than being an assistant coach's assistant.

But I could also see a world where a guy gives his mistress a 55% raise, lol.

[RiverRat13]

What's now being reported is that the university had heard rumors back in August and spoke to both Moore and the staffer and they were adamant in that nothing was going on. Then yesterday morning she showed up and changed her story and came clean to the university. They fired him later that same day. That's a far cry from the university knowing about it for months, but waited to see if he beat Ohio State and/or after national signing day. This is why you wait for the evidence to come out unlike Pate who wasn't even pretending he wasn't just speculating.

Who is reporting this?

[gonelong]

What's now being reported is that the university had heard rumors back in August and spoke to both Moore and the staffer and they were adamant in that nothing was going on. Then yesterday morning she showed up and changed her story and came clean to the university. They fired him later that same day. That's a far cry from the university knowing about it for months, but waited to see if he beat Ohio State and/or after national signing day. This is why you wait for the evidence to come out unlike Pate who wasn't even pretending he wasn't just speculating.

Frankly, Michigan no longer should get the benefit of the doubt on anything. I don't buy anything reported from the Michigan media or from the University.

[gonelong]

Call it a hunch, but this feels like a story that is just getting started. I have a feeling a lot more is going to be coming about Sherrone Moore in the coming days.

The Weiss stuff is still hanging out there, so that shoe will drop at some point.

Given the situation Moore finds himself in ... would he air dirty laundry for revenge, spite, or a payday? Does he have a trial in which stuff may come out?

Interesting times.

GL

[goreds2]

911 Call For Fired Michigan Coach Sherrone Moore's Arrest Released

https://700wlw.iheart.com/content/2025-12-11-911-call-for-fired-michigan-coach-sherrone-moores-arrest-released/

[Fil3232]

Warde Manuel is out as AD at Michigan.

Warde Manuel is in as AD at Michigan.

[MWM]

Frankly, Michigan no longer should get the benefit of the doubt on anything. I don't buy anything reported from the Michigan media or from the University.

It was reported by John Bacon, a very credible journalist (his most recent book is currently in the top 10 of the NYT best sellers list).

Who knows the full context of why she changed her mind. Pretty sure there was another investigation going on and maybe she knew it was just a matter of time. It had been suspected a long time and it was an anonymous tip that led to investigation in the summer. There's been some rumors that they had a falling out after she got pregnant and that he "forced" her to terminate the pregnancy. We will probably get the story eventually. If I had to venture a guess, the relationship turned south and then it was just a matter of time. Sounds like Moore wasn't the most emotionally stable person to begin with, and he seems to have had an on-going problem keeping it in his pants. But for whatever reason, she showed up and told the entire story, and he was fired later that day.

[gonelong]

It was reported by John Bacon, a very credible journalist (his most recent book is currently in the top 10 of the NYT best sellers list).


I will give you that Bacon is credible. Still, he likely got this from the University which makes this a wait-and-see proposition for me.

I know there are legal guardrails in place which might make an investigation like this more difficult, but this version of the story is very convenient for Michigan.

A number of schools, including Michigan, have clearly demonstrated that one should not put much trust in them to do the right thing or be forthright.

GL

[RedTeamGo!]

I will give you that Bacon is credible. Still, he likely got this from the University which makes this a wait-and-see proposition for me.

I know there are legal guardrails in place which might make an investigation like this more difficult, but this version of the story is very convenient for Michigan.

A number of schools, including Michigan, have clearly demonstrated that one should not put much trust in them to do the right thing or be forthright.

GL

This is where I am, Michigan has lost anything resembling the benefit of the doubt at this point. Bacon is just a mouthpiece for the university.

[RiverfrontRed]

That program is going to implode.

I know that all OSU fans would hope so, but they'll hire a top coach for $10M+ a year and they'll clean up in the transfer portal and by next year and the one after they'll be way better than they were with the overmatched coach Moore.

[Sea Ray]

I understood why Underwood went to Michigan ($$$$$) and also being from near by. But it was a risk going to a new offensive regime that didn't have a track record in developing QB's. IMO the idea all along may have been to start Mikey Keene, but he was hurt to start the season and Underwood was the guy. I thought I heard that they put too much on his plate vs Oklahoma, then took too much off his plate the rest of the season. He wasn't developed very well, and it showed against OSU.

As for Moore, this may be a blessing for Michigan fans. Moore at the time was really the only move they could have made. He won The Game, was the OC on a staff that won the natty, they couldn't really have gone elsewhere when Harbaugh left. He did start off behind the 8 ball with Harbaugh's leaving, but his 2024 season was pretty poor with the exception of the OSU win. This year they pretty much finished with the worst possible record a Michigan team should finish with considering the schedule they played. I don't know if Moore was the guy for Michigan, and getting off without having to pay a buyout may not be a bad thing.

As for the new coach, timing is an issue. Jessie Minter has a show clause until April and is the DC of a NFL team that is going to the playoffs. Even if you want DeBoer (would Bama fans be sad to see him go?) he is going to wait until the playoffs are over. NFL coaches or assistant coaches are pretty much off limits until the season ends. They have to get a coach before the portal opens, especially one who is going to do damage control. If Michigan knew this was the result, they did those kids who signed dirty.

How does Ward Manuel still have job. Ever since Covid, that university has turned a blind eye to everything going on within that program.

In hindsight it was very poor judgment on Michigan's part to hire a guy who's that mentally unstable. His being arrested and spending time in custody takes this to a level well beyond Bobby Petrino. That's a guy with serious issues above the neck

[RedTeamGo!]

I know that all OSU fans would hope so, but they'll hire a top coach for $10M+ a year and they'll clean up in the transfer portal and by next year and the one after they'll be way better than they were with the overmatched coach Moore.

Is Jed Fisch a top coach?

[Boston Red]

His being arrested and spending time in custody takes this to a level well beyond Bobby Petrino.

You know, I was just thinking about Bobby in relation to this situation. Bobby's situation was VERY similar right up to the point of what happened after the firing (granted, Bobby was a far superior coach). But look what he's done since that public firing and humiliation. He's had FOUR head coaching jobs at the Division I level. And that includes being head coach at the very program that fired him in the first place. So there was absolutely a redemption arc available to Moore (or at least a chance to stay in the business). He threw that opportunity away shortly after the firing.

[Sea Ray]

Warde Manuel is in as AD at Michigan.

So your original post on this was fake?

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You know, I was just thinking about Bobby in relation to this situation. Bobby's situation was VERY similar right up to the point of what happened after the firing (granted, Bobby was a far superior coach). But look what he's done since that public firing and humiliation. He's had FOUR head coaching jobs at the Division I level. And that includes being head coach at the very program that fired him in the first place. So there was absolutely a redemption arc available to Moore (or at least a chance to stay in the business). He threw that opportunity away shortly after the firing.

Agreed

[Assembly Hall]

Is Jed Fisch a top coach?

Not in my book.

[bucksfan2]

You know, I was just thinking about Bobby in relation to this situation. Bobby's situation was VERY similar right up to the point of what happened after the firing (granted, Bobby was a far superior coach). But look what he's done since that public firing and humiliation. He's had FOUR head coaching jobs at the Division I level. And that includes being head coach at the very program that fired him in the first place. So there was absolutely a redemption arc available to Moore (or at least a chance to stay in the business). He threw that opportunity away shortly after the firing.

Michigan should be able to get any coach they want within reason. Day ain't going there, Saben isn't going there. Kiffin isn't going there (bad fit in general), but in all honesty, the rest is fair game.

Michigan's issue is they missed the hiring spree, they need someone in place prior to the portal opening, but you have playoff coaches who aren't moving (except for Lane), NFL coaches aren't going to move until after the NFL season is over, and everyone else has been picked over. I wonder if they go with an intern coach, but that would be punting this season.

[RiverfrontRed]

Is Jed Fisch a top coach?

Why just because he ends up on some media outlet's or blogger's list? Lol

He did turn around U of A, which is no small task.

Ryan Day wasn't a "top coach" until last year.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ryan Day wasn't a "top coach" until last year.

lol what?

[Boston Red]

lol what?

Can I introduce you to this guy who posts on this board named RedTeamGo!? Here is what he had to say in November of last year:

I wont watch another OSU game until Day is fired. I’m over it.

[RedTeamGo!]

Yeah I am an emotional idiot, doesn't mean Ryan Day just became a good coach last year.

[Boston Red]

Yeah I am an emotional idiot, doesn't mean Ryan Day just became a good coach last year.

Maybe, but it seems a little rich for YOU to laugh at someone for saying that. :laugh:

[Chip R]

Apparently, Moore gave this assistant a 55% raise to $90k out of nowhere. Dumb in so many levels. You're trying to keep it secret and you give her a big raise?

Not sure why she changed her mind, but the reporting is that she shoes with receipts, text messages, and other hard evidence. I'm curious why she changed her mind.

That should have been a HUGE red flag to any bean counters at the university. Same job title but a 55% raise. A $5K or $10K raise shouldn't have raised any red flags but a 55% raise? :eek: Of course at these big programs the coach claims he is aware of every detail that goes on in the program until there's some kind of scandal and then he had no idea what was happening because he delegated that authority. :rolleyes:

Maybe she changed her mind because he didn't beat tOSU. ;)

[Boston Red]

Couple of choice snippets from the WSJ published on December 19, 2024 (less than a year ago) regarding this man who was clearly regarded as a "top coach" more than a year ago apparently:

“I don’t know if I know anyone who still really wants to keep him at this point,” said Nick Buchta, an attorney in Cleveland and a lifelong OSU fan.


Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders, belongs to that camp. Despite hailing from Michigan and attending Eastern Michigan University, Crosby is a lifelong Ohio State supporter. He declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans.

[RedTeamGo!]

Maybe, but it seems a little rich for YOU to laugh at someone for saying that. :laugh:

In that quote, btw, I didn't say he is a bad coach. I believe my whole thing back then was that he has a Michigan problem (which was true) and that the thought he cannot be replaced was wrong because anyone can coach OSU to 9-10 wins. However, that doesn't mean he isn't a top flight coach.

[Sea Ray]

Yeah I am an emotional idiot, doesn't mean Ryan Day just became a good coach last year.

The point is many, including you, did not think he was a top coach a year ago

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In that quote, btw, I didn't say he is a bad coach. I believe my whole thing back then was that he has a Michigan problem (which was true) and that the thought he cannot be replaced was wrong because anyone can coach OSU to 9-10 wins. However, that doesn't mean he isn't a top flight coach.

Really? A coach would have to be awfully bad to cause a fan to quit watching his favorite team

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean, it was obviously a hyperbolic quote after watching a far superior OSU team lose to Michigan at home 13-10

[texasdave]

Here's a juicy plot twist. Urban Meyer. Rumor had it that he inquired about the Penn State opening. Can't speak for the veracity of said rumor, but I read it on the internet. So it has to be true. :p

[RiverfrontRed]

Can I introduce you to this guy who posts on this board named RedTeamGo!? Here is what he had to say in November of last year:

I wont watch another OSU game until Day is fired. I’m over it.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Revering4Blue]

Why just because he ends up on some media outlet's or blogger's list? Lol

He did turn around U of A, which is no small task.

Ryan Day wasn't a "top coach" until last year.

Yup.

And Fisch rebuilt the Arizona program from the ground up before NIL and the transfer portal. Kevin Sumlin left the program as a dumpster fire. Now, the program can now win with Brennan rather consistently.

Granted, RichRod had some success there, but really no one had won there rather consistently since the late Dick Tomey, who last coached there in 2000.

Could Michigan do better? Yes. Could they do a lot worse? Again, Yes. But Fisch brings enough positive factors in his favor that he wouldn’t justifiably be hired simply because of previous ties to the University.

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[bucksfan2]

Couple of choice snippets from the WSJ published on December 19, 2024 (less than a year ago) regarding this man who was clearly regarded as a "top coach" more than a year ago apparently:

“I don’t know if I know anyone who still really wants to keep him at this point,” said Nick Buchta, an attorney in Cleveland and a lifelong OSU fan.


Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders, belongs to that camp. Despite hailing from Michigan and attending Eastern Michigan University, Crosby is a lifelong Ohio State supporter. He declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans.


Emotions were high after the Michigan loss. Reality for Days was he puckered in that game. After the 1st quarter of Tennessee I would imagine most of those fans opinion's had changed. I wonder if they asked Nick Buchta if he likes Day now his answer would be a tad bit different.

Day was always a top coach, but had a Michigan problem. But as a leader of an organization, you would struggle to find anyone better in today's game.

[Boston Red]

I wonder if they asked Nick Buchta if he likes Day now his answer would be a tad bit different.


Probably, but it would be pretty silly of Buchta to laugh at someone who suggested that Day was not considered a "top coach" a year ago.

[MWM]

Detroit Free Press reporting that Michigan is interested in Tommy Rees. That one seems a bit risky to me, but that could be my bais against all things Cleveland Browns.

[WVRed]

Emotions were high after the Michigan loss. Reality for Days was he puckered in that game. After the 1st quarter of Tennessee I would imagine most of those fans opinion's had changed. I wonder if they asked Nick Buchta if he likes Day now his answer would be a tad bit different.

Day was always a top coach, but had a Michigan problem. But as a leader of an organization, you would struggle to find anyone better in today's game.Biggest thing Day did that led to his success was giving up play calling. Curious to see how much losing Hartline hurts them though. He's been there forever.

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[RiverfrontRed]

Detroit Free Press reporting that Michigan is interested in Tommy Rees. That one seems a bit risky to me, but that could be my bais against all things Cleveland Browns.

As an Irish fan, I'd run far away from Tommy Rees if I was UM.

[bucksfan2]

Biggest thing Day did that led to his success was giving up play calling. Curious to see how much losing Hartline hurts them though. He's been there forever.

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Yes and now. I think for a season long thing its a plus.

The crazy thing is, one of the best games Day has ever called was in their loss to Georgia. I think what happened last year, and also this year, is the decision to slow things down and play at a methodical pace. It limited the plays and the wear and tear on the guys. He even did that against IU, putting Tate and Smith on a pitch count. Its more of a NFL style (which Day has a back ground in.) And it really paid dividends last season, hopefully the same will be true now.

It wouldn't surprise me if Day is the primary play caller in the playoff. Hartline just has too much on his plate trying to manage being a full time HC. I am almost surprised that he hasn't left yet, but I think that is out of loyalty. I am somewhat shocked that Chip Kelly hasn't been brough back into the fold as an analysist.

Overall, I think Day is the type of coach who can navigate this current version of college football. I don't think Urban is the type of coach who could do that. Across the college landscape, you are seeing long time coaches hang it up because they just aren't equipped to coach in today's environment.

[Assembly Hall]

Detroit Free Press reporting that Michigan is interested in Tommy Rees. That one seems a bit risky to me, but that could be my bais against all things Cleveland Browns.

Interesting. That name is underwhelming to me.

[Boston Red]

I guess Kyle Whittingham wants his top assistant to get the job at Utah? He resigned today, which would put Utah seriously behind the 8 ball unless they plan to hire from within. Morgan Scalley was starting to get some mentions in the latter stages of the Penn State search, so him taking over would make sense.

[GAC]

Firing Moore is going to have far reaching repercussions thoughout that program that's going to set it back. Especially in this age of the transfer portal and NIL, boosters, etc.

Thanks Harbaugh!

On a different note - I feel for the Moore kids

[*BaseClogger*]

I know that all OSU fans would hope so, but they'll hire a top coach for $10M+ a year and they'll clean up in the transfer portal and by next year and the one after they'll be way better than they were with the overmatched coach Moore.

Just like they were post Carr until 2021, right?

[elrojo]

Firing Moore is going to have far reaching repercussions thoughout that program that's going to set it back. Especially in this age of the transfer portal and NIL, boosters, etc.

Thanks Harbaugh!

On a different note - I feel for the Moore kids

BTW, why does Wade Manuel still have his job?

[UKFlounder]

But if reports about Moore’s behavior are true, keeping him would have been worse.




Firing Moore is going to have far reaching repercussions thoughout that program that's going to set it back. Especially in this age of the transfer portal and NIL, boosters, etc.

Thanks Harbaugh!

On a different note - I feel for the Moore kids

[MWM]

This will never happen, but would love to see Kyle Whittingham. He's one of the most under appreciated coaches of the past 25 years to me. He was approached about many other jobs in the past but stayed loyal to his Alma mater. Dude can flat out coach. But I'm guessing he's done coaching.

[Boston Red]

I was wondering if Whitt might be a short term solution for Michigan. He was pretty careful not to use the r-word when talking about stepping down at Utah.

[MWM]

I was wondering if Whitt might be a short term solution for Michigan. He was pretty careful not to use the r-word when talking about stepping down at Utah.

I noticed that as well but wasn't sure if that was on purpose. It's also very "coincidental" that he announces his stepping down immediately after the private equity deal was announced. He would be a great short term solution, and given the timing of this whole fiasco, a short term solution is preferable to the wrong long term solution. Whittingham has impeccable integrity and could be a stabilizing presence to the program. Only downside I see is that he has no ties to the midwest. He's a west guy. Not sure how much that really matters, but it's the only hole I can think of other than some think he's too old. But he's 2 years older than Cignetti, so I don't think that should be an issue.

[KronoRed]

Dillingham? hmm, his name did seem to come up for every big job this year

[Revering4Blue]

I was wondering if Whitt might be a short term solution for Michigan. He was pretty careful not to use the r-word when talking about stepping down at Utah.

The Athletic reported that Whittingham is not retiring from coaching and could seek other coaching opportunities.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/kyle-whittingham-steps-down-utah/


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[RiverfrontRed]

If I was UM I would offer $15M a year to Nick Saban and let him pick his own GM to handle the NIL and TP.

[bucksfan2]

Is Kyle Whittingham Pat Fitzgerald? Highly respected coaches who stayed at a program for a long time. Probably overachieved at that program? I think you will see a lot of these guys exit the college game because they can't do business the way they used to.

[MWM]

Is Kyle Whittingham Pat Fitzgerald? Highly respected coaches who stayed at a program for a long time. Probably overachieved at that program? I think you will see a lot of these guys exit the college game because they can't do business the way they used to.

I think Kyle Whittingham is a far superior coach to Fitzgerald. When you watched Utah play under him, it was clear they were very well coached. Whittingham coached a team to an end of year #2 rating after going undefeated and then beating Saban's Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl, and beating them soundly as well. He's also put a lot of good players in the NFL.

[Boston Red]

Utah was awesome this year. Whittingham fared just fine in this current era.

[WVRed]

If I was UM I would offer $15M a year to Nick Saban and let him pick his own GM to handle the NIL and TP.Saban isn't coming back. He hates NIL and is happy I think being the boomer curmudgeon to Pat McAfee on College Gameday.

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[Assembly Hall]

Saban isn't coming back. He hates NIL and is happy I think being the boomer curmudgeon to Pat McAfee on College Gameday.

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Yeah. Saban was only happy passing cash under the table. The playing field gets leveled and he takes his ball and goes to ESPN.

[RiverfrontRed]

Saban isn't coming back. He hates NIL and is happy I think being the boomer curmudgeon to Pat McAfee on College Gameday.

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Stranger things have happened. He's still young enough.

[WVRed]

Interesting move by Texas.

They've hired Will Muschamp who coached there under Mack Brown and was the head coach in waiting at one point aa defensive coordinator and fired Pete Kwiatkowski who was supposedly up for head coaching jobs.

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[RedTeamGo!]

Stranger things have happened. He's still young enough.

He is 74

[RiverfrontRed]

He is 74

And?

23330

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean, there’s a pretty significant difference between being the head coach of a team and being on gameday 4 hours a week.

[WVRed]

I mean, there’s a pretty significant difference between being the head coach of a team and being on gameday 4 hours a week.And again, Saban got out because everyone is handing out cash in the front door instead of the back (As Coach O so eloquently put it). He can rail on ESPN how broken college football is and the boomers will eat it up.

I really think Dabo will be next and when it happens he will probably end up on a sports network show doing the same thing.

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[KronoRed]

Interesting move by Texas.

They've hired Will Muschamp who coached there under Mack Brown and was the head coach in waiting at one point aa defensive coordinator and fired Pete Kwiatkowski who was supposedly up for head coaching jobs.

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So much for the spending time with family bit, guess he wants another shot at running a program into the ground.

[bucksfan2]

And again, Saban got out because everyone is handing out cash in the front door instead of the back (As Coach O so eloquently put it). He can rail on ESPN how broken college football is and the boomers will eat it up.

I really think Dabo will be next and when it happens he will probably end up on a sports network show doing the same thing.

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Saben can sit there, have fun on Gameday, collect a paycheck, and put in minimal work.

Saben couldn't run his program the way he wanted anymore. NIL and rev sharing brought more parity into the sport. At Bama it used to be your replaced an All American with a top 100 recruit, now those guys are spread wide.

Dabo is interesting in that he refuses to change and is a pretty love him or hate him type of coach. Saben is that guy who you loved at Bama but hated elsewhere, but had a ton of respect for him. Dabo isn't that guy, would he do well in TV?

[RiverfrontRed]

I mean, there’s a pretty significant difference between being the head coach of a team and being on gameday 4 hours a week.

Yeah I don't think that Saban guy could cut it as a coach!

[WVRed]

DeBoer named Michigan coach by Monday?

Bama not looking too hot against Oklahoma.

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[Sea Ray]

DeBoer named Michigan coach by Monday?

Bama not looking too hot against Oklahoma.

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Don’t write Alabama off. They may very well advance and make a long run


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[MWM]

Even if Alabama loses, he's not going to Ann Arbor. Alabama is a better job and it's a mess in Ann Arbor. It makes no sense that he would leave.

I think it's going to be Kyle Whittingham.

[WVRed]

Even if Alabama loses, he's not going to Ann Arbor. Alabama is a better job and it's a mess in Ann Arbor. It makes no sense that he would leave.

I think it's going to be Kyle Whittingham.Jeff Brohm is emerging as a serious candidate. As a UK fan I will pull for Michigan if that happens, especially if Vince Marrow goes to Ann Arbor with him.

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[UKFlounder]

I guess props go to Kifffn’s agent, but this is kind of funny

Despite Kiffin no longer being with the program, he still benefited financially from the Rebels' playoff win. That's because, as part of the agreement of Kiffin leaving Ole Miss before its CFP run, LSU agreed to pay his playoff bonuses if the Rebels kept advancing.

That means that Kiffin earned $250,000 from LSU on Saturday thanks to the Rebels. If Ole Miss wins the national title, Kiffin could earn up to $1 million.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/lane-kiffin-ole-miss-cfp-bonus-money-payout-lsu-coach/

[bucksfan2]

Don’t write Alabama off. They may very well advance and make a long run


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What makes you think that Bama is going to make a run?

I think DeBoer is a bad fit at Bama. Any loss he takes the locals will be calling for his head. Nothing he has done at Bama has me thinking "man this guy will get things rolling there." At Michigan he will have more money at his disposal, and probably more time to get things together.

All that said, I am curious about Bama's matchup with IU. IU is the better overall team and is better coached. But Bama has a decided talent advantage on the roster. My concern with IU is are they able to win 3 games in a row in which they are at a talent disadvantage? Will their lack of depth come back and bit them?

[Sea Ray]

What makes you think that Bama is going to make a run?

I think DeBoer is a bad fit at Bama. Any loss he takes the locals will be calling for his head. Nothing he has done at Bama has me thinking "man this guy will get things rolling there." At Michigan he will have more money at his disposal, and probably more time to get things together.

All that said, I am curious about Bama's matchup with IU. IU is the better overall team and is better coached. But Bama has a decided talent advantage on the roster. My concern with IU is are they able to win 3 games in a row in which they are at a talent disadvantage? Will their lack of depth come back and bit them?

My comment had nothing to do with Mich. Your last paragraph answers your own question

[Boston Red]

Jordon Hudson better turn off her DMs. Bobby Petrino is coming to Chapel Hill as UNC's offensive coordinator.

[GAC]

Looks like Michigan is focusing on hiring Utah coach Kyle Whittingham. Va Tech Hires James Franklin. I think Penn State made a good choice in hiring Iowa State's Matt Campbell.

But Michigan State hires ex Northwestern HC Pat Fitzgerald?? Wow!

[RiverfrontRed]

Looks like Michigan is focusing on hiring Utah coach Kyle Whittingham. Va Tech Hires James Franklin. I think Penn State made a good choice in hiring Iowa State;s Matt Campbell.

But Michigan State hires ex Northwestern HC Pat Fitzgerald?? Wow!

If timing had been different, Franklin could have ended up at Michigan.

[bucksfan2]

If timing had been different, Franklin could have ended up at Michigan.

I think Michigan would have rioted if Franklin was hired.

Whittingham is an interesting choice. He was always considered a very good coach who overachieved at a "smaller" school. What type of coach will he be at a blue blood? And how long will he be there would be my two questions? I have said this before, I view him very similar to Pat FitzGerald, lets see how they do at a higher profile program.

[WVRed]

I think Michigan would have rioted if Franklin was hired.

Whittingham is an interesting choice. He was always considered a very good coach who overachieved at a "smaller" school. What type of coach will he be at a blue blood? And how long will he be there would be my two questions? I have said this before, I view him very similar to Pat FitzGerald, lets see how they do at a higher profile program.Dave Portnoy approves so thats all that matters.

The last coach to leave Utah had a pretty successful career so there's that.

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[bucksfan2]

Dave Portnoy approves so thats all that matters.

The last coach to leave Utah had a pretty successful career so there's that.

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Yep, he also was in his 30's or 40's not in his 60's.

Whittingham is the most successful coach Utah has ever had, and that is saying something when you consider Urban. He pretty much sustained Utah as a good to great Pac 12 and now Big 12 team. The fact that he named his coach in waiting, talked about wanting to retire, was "forced" out, then taking over Michigan is a timeline I didn't expect. This has a Mack Brown type of feel to it, although going from Utah to Michigan is different than Texas to UNC. A decade ago (or when they hired Harbaugh) I would have thought this was a home run hire. Now its like, wait, what?

To me this was a "Whittingham is the best guy we can get right now" type of hire.

I get the idea that he is going to come in, stabilize the program, and be a bridge guy for the next coach. But how often does that really work? If he comes in, stabilized the program, and wins at a high level, will he want to leave in 3 years? What if he comes in, stabilizes the program, but has a few 9-3 type of seasons???

If this happened to OSU I don't know if I would have been thrilled about it. Hindsight will always be 20/20, but I wonder if Michigan would have been better off rolling with Biff for next season, and then giving the coaching search a much deeper dive.

[MWM]

I think you seriously underestimate his coaching abilities. He was heavily sought after not many years after taking over Utah. His family is all in Utah, and it was the job he always wanted. He always turned away the blue bloods, but they wanted him. I know it was a while ago, but he went undefeated in 2008 and beat Alabama soundly in the BCS Sugar Bowl in an upset. They finished #2 in the country. When you watched Utah, you knew they were extremely well coached. If he has the players, I think he could be very successful in Michigan.

[pedro]

As a Michigan fan I like this hire.

[*BaseClogger*]

Hindsight will always be 20/20, but I wonder if Michigan would have been better off rolling with Biff for next season, and then giving the coaching search a much deeper dive.

Michigan needed to cleanse itself of any coaches with Harbaugh stank on them. And if I've been reading the reports correctly, Biff is burning some bridges on the way out. He knows he was never going to coach next season.

[KronoRed]

Considering the timing, and the disaster the last coach created, this is a home run hire.

[MWM]

Considering the timing, and the disaster the last coach created, this is a home run hire.

I agree. For years, he's been widely considered one of the best coaches in the game. He chose to stay at Utah, but his ability to coach a team isn't in question. It's really all about whether players will continue to want to come to Michigan, which I think they will. I think he's more charismatic than people realize. I have no doubt they will be well coached. I just hope he gets the players. Larry Ellison's money should help.

[WVRed]

Michigan needed to cleanse itself of any coaches with Harbaugh stank on them. And if I've been reading the reports correctly, Biff is burning some bridges on the way out. He knows he was never going to coach next season.This kind of reminds me of Kentucky hiring Pitino after the whole Sutton fiasco. Not really about hiring a home run name but someone who can bring stability and clean up the mess left by the predecessor.

My guess is hes there five years and turns it over to Jay Hill.



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[GAC]

It's a solid hire for sure. A 5 year deal. Anyone think he'll stay longer then that?

[WVRed]

It's a solid hire for sure. A 5 years deal. Anyone think he'll stay longer then that?I dont. I also think he will have someone as a replacement lined up, probably the defensive coordinator hes bringing in from BYU.

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[Assembly Hall]

It's a solid hire for sure. A 5 years deal. Anyone think he'll stay longer then that?

My question would be will he last 5 years?

[GAC]

It's a solid hire, but it may be a hire to simply get the program back on a sound footing for any future coach.

[Assembly Hall]

This kind of reminds me of Kentucky hiring Pitino after the whole Sutton fiasco. Not really about hiring a home run name but someone who can bring stability and clean up the mess left by the predecessor.

My guess is hes there five years and turns it over to Jay Hill.



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C'mon man. UK hiring Pitino to clean up Sutton's mess? Laughable. Bring in one "cheater" to replace one is more like it.

[WVRed]

C'mon man. UK hiring Pitino to clean up Sutton's mess? Laughable. Bring in one "cheater" to replace one is more like it.Pitino never did anything to disgrace UK when he was there. At the time Pitino and CM Newton were highly regarded by the NCAA. Anything with Pitino happened at Louisville.

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[bucksfan2]

I think with the mess Michigan is in, its probably about as good as of a hire as they could have expected.

Whittingham has always been a respected coach in the collegiate ranks. Kinda a guy who stayed at a good program for a long time when he could have had other jobs. The two guys who really come to mind when talking about Whittingham are Peterson from BSU to Washington and maybe in basketball Mark Few, who built Gonzaga into a powerhouse but has stayed there for the duration. Another one which I talked about before was FitzGerald who had been up for some pretty big name jobs but elected to stay at Northwestern. Fitz wasn't as successful on a year in year out basis, but did do a good job of building his team into a competitor every few years, although he would lump a 3-9 season in there along the way.

To me this is, we need an adult in the room, and Whittingham is available and a damn good head coach. To me this seems like a coach to bridge the gap, to get the Harbaugh stench out of the program, and settle the program down. From an outsiders perspective and someone who is an OSU fan, UM went all in with Harbaugh, rules be damned. I think they "had" to give the job to Sherone at the time, and it backfired. But from the top down, the President, AD, and Coach, they all turned a blind eye to everything going on in the pursuit of a title. Whittingham probably will be the stabilizing force, will that work?

[Boston Red]

Let's be perfectly honest: Michigan would do it all over again if they knew everything that was going to happen (including the title, of course). Most programs would also trade the shame for a title.

[pedro]

I think with the mess Michigan is in, its probably about as good as of a hire as they could have expected.

Whittingham has always been a respected coach in the collegiate ranks. Kinda a guy who stayed at a good program for a long time when he could have had other jobs. The two guys who really come to mind when talking about Whittingham are Peterson from BSU to Washington and maybe in basketball Mark Few, who built Gonzaga into a powerhouse but has stayed there for the duration. Another one which I talked about before was FitzGerald who had been up for some pretty big name jobs but elected to stay at Northwestern. Fitz wasn't as successful on a year in year out basis, but did do a good job of building his team into a competitor every few years, although he would lump a 3-9 season in there along the way.

To me this is, we need an adult in the room, and Whittingham is available and a damn good head coach. To me this seems like a coach to bridge the gap, to get the Harbaugh stench out of the program, and settle the program down. From an outsiders perspective and someone who is an OSU fan, UM went all in with Harbaugh, rules be damned. I think they "had" to give the job to Sherone at the time, and it backfired. But from the top down, the President, AD, and Coach, they all turned a blind eye to everything going on in the pursuit of a title. Whittingham probably will be the stabilizing force, will that work?

As a Michigan fan I feel like they need to move on from AD Warde Manuel too.

[bucksfan2]

Let's be perfectly honest: Michigan would do it all over again if they knew everything that was going to happen (including the title, of course). Most programs would also trade the shame for a title.

Probably??? The scope of everything is surprising to me. Ever since the COVID season, the football program was operating in an manner that "we are going to do anything that it takes" but the AD and President at the time went full in as well. We aren't talking about just athletic transgressions, we are talking about FBI investigations as well. Its the kind of stuff that a decade ago would get you hammered by the NCAA. And there was no lip service paid to what was going on, it was full steam ahead.

I get your point that most programs would have done that, but it normally would have cost the AD and President their jobs.

[RiverfrontRed]

I think with the mess Michigan is in, its probably about as good as of a hire as they could have expected.

Whittingham has always been a respected coach in the collegiate ranks. Kinda a guy who stayed at a good program for a long time when he could have had other jobs. The two guys who really come to mind when talking about Whittingham are Peterson from BSU to Washington and maybe in basketball Mark Few, who built Gonzaga into a powerhouse but has stayed there for the duration. Another one which I talked about before was FitzGerald who had been up for some pretty big name jobs but elected to stay at Northwestern. Fitz wasn't as successful on a year in year out basis, but did do a good job of building his team into a competitor every few years, although he would lump a 3-9 season in there along the way.

To me this is, we need an adult in the room, and Whittingham is available and a damn good head coach. To me this seems like a coach to bridge the gap, to get the Harbaugh stench out of the program, and settle the program down. From an outsiders perspective and someone who is an OSU fan, UM went all in with Harbaugh, rules be damned. I think they "had" to give the job to Sherone at the time, and it backfired. But from the top down, the President, AD, and Coach, they all turned a blind eye to everything going on in the pursuit of a title. Whittingham probably will be the stabilizing force, will that work?

The Harbaugh stench won them a National Championship and repeated wins against OSU. The Sherrone deal is a different story.

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My question would be will he last 5 years?

He's two years older than Cignetti (and probably in better shape).

[*BaseClogger*]

Whittingham/Cignetti triathlon GO!