5/11/2005 SD vs Cin

[smith288]

Lineups:

Padres:
Roberts CF
Loretta 2B
Klesko LF
Nevin 1B
Giles RF
Burroughs 3B
Greene SS
Ojeda C
Stauffer P

Reds:
Freel 2B
Lopez SS
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Dunn LF
Randa 3B
Kearns RF
LaRue C
Wilson P

[top6]

Why does Casey bat 3rd and Dunn 5th? Is there any argument either that (a) you put the better hitter in the 5th spot or that (b) Casey is in any way a better hitter than Dunn? I just find this totally indefensible - even worse that Aurillia playing.

[smith288]

Not seeing Aurilia's name in there makes me feel all is right in the world.

Heck, even if Wilson was batting 4th i would feel this way. LOL

[TRF]

Kearns hitting 7th?

dave, dave, dave.

IMO for today.

Freel
Dunn
Griff
Kearns
Casey
Randa
Lopez (yes, even though he's on a tear.)
LaRue
Wilson

But it'll do. But he does have the right players are on the field. At least until WMP returns. :)

[oneupper]

baby steps, baby steps...

SS = Second Swinger

[Ryan the Reds Fan]

Looks better than most of the lineups I've seen thrown out there this year. Here's to the start of a new streak.

[OldRightHander]

I don't know if I really like Dunn batting ahead of Randa, unless Randa starts going on some kind of a tear. I would like to see him have more protection than that. At least we have a decent middle infield starting. We can only hope Rich's hammy takes its time.

[westofyou]

Hot there today eh?

I'm going to listen to the SD feed since there is no TV. My goal is to go until July (when I come to Ohio) without listening to Marty and crew.

It should be an easy choice today.

[westofyou]

I don't know if I really like Dunn batting ahead of Randa, unless Randa starts going on some kind of a tear. I would like to see him have more protection than that. At least we have a decent middle infield starting. We can only hope Rich's hammy takes its time.

If Randa bats behind Dunn all year he'll have a Deron Johnson year.

I have Dunn in my strat league and he's stinking the joint up BA wise, but he leads the team in walks and is second in Runs. I've been leading him off a bit too.

[Puffy]

I like the lineup - as I've posted many times the last week I prefer:

Freel
Lopez
Dunn
Griffey
Kearns
Casey
Randa
LaRue

However, this isn't bad either, especially since Casey is beginning to hit doubles, that signals he is about to go on a tear.

[zombie-a-go-go]

With Kearns, Lopez, and Freel all in the lineup at the same time, I have to wonder if Miley came down with a nasty flu bug and called in sick today.

[Joseph]

even worse that Aurillia playing.

Now now, let's not be too harsh. Aurilia playing is far worse than having the right players in the wrong order.

[oneupper]

You could argue the same about the Padres...they bat their OBP guy (Giles) in the 5 slot. (not that Nevin and Klesko are shabby).

IIRC he was mostly 3rd with the Pirates.

[Red Leader]

You could argue the same about the Padres...they bat their OBP guy (Giles) in the 5 slot. (not that Nevin and Klesko are shabby).

IIRC he was mostly 3rd with the Pirates.

They dropped Giles down to 5th because he was in a horrible slump (0-22 at one point). When they dropped him to 5th, he started hitting (vs StL). Klesko has been hot recently to boot, so that's why they stayed there, they are both hitting in the spots they are in. I'd imagine once Klesko cools off, Giles will go back to hitting 3rd where he has primarily hit with the Padres as well.

[REDREAD]

My goal is to go until July (when I come to Ohio) without listening to Marty and crew.


Wow, he's worn that thin on you? :lol:

You missed last night. It was the 7th or 8th inning, and Steve said the bullpen did an excellent job in the game. Marty got all crabby and said something like "Don't say that yet, they still have time".

[traderumor]

There are a ton of day games today, esp. for a Wednesday. Four game weekend series, maybe?

[traderumor]

The Reds need to quit dinking around with D'Lo and get something for him. Maybe they'll make a move when WMP comes back.

[smith288]

I dont like Dave Roberts.

[Joseph]

I dont like Dave Roberts.

Does anyone? :)

[Danny Serafini]

Has Wilson thrown more to the plate or over to first this at bat?

[Roy Tucker]

Something I noticed when watching the Sunday night game...

Ryan Klesko looks a lot less buff than he used to. Hmmmm....

[westofyou]

Wow, he's worn that thin on you? :lol:

You missed last night. It was the 7th or 8th inning, and Steve said the bullpen did an excellent job in the game. Marty got all crabby and said something like "Don't say that yet, they still have time".

yep, not having to listen to him all these years has made weaning myself of him in the internet age easier.

That said, I can't get any audio on MLB,com right now.

[Danny Serafini]

Klesko is 7-13 with 5 HRs career against Wilson. Make it 7-14, he just struck him out, but that's an ugly number for today.

[smith288]

Klesko's back is apparently hurt so he may pulled sometime today

[Puffy]

Hey, Wilson has already outperformed his last outing!!

:clap:

[smith288]

Here we go with Wilson...

[Danny Serafini]

Brian Giles is 3-4 with 2 HRs lifetime against Wilson. What's with these Padres owning Wilson? Now 4-5. 1-0 Padres.

[Roy Tucker]

Giles has killed the Reds over the years.

[Joseph]

I think he ended up throwing over 9 times with Roberts at first and Loretta at the plate.

[traderumor]

A change in uni hasn't done anything to change what Giles does to the Reds

[smith288]

1st batter in his career he hits. Niiice.

[Danny Serafini]

Second one homers, even nicer!

[Joseph]

And FeLo says 'I'm the starting SS from now on'

[westofyou]

The Padres annoucer somewhat of a amped up freak

HR for my fantasy teams new 2nd baseman.

[traderumor]

inauspicious start for the rookie, just like it should be

[gm]

Fleepy!

[Ryan the Reds Fan]

Way to go Lopie!!

[Falls City Beer]

That young man's got some surprising thunder in that bat. He is a slight young man too.

[remdog]

Welcome to the starting SS position Felipe! It's yours for the rest of the year. Have fun.

Rem

[smith288]

Im listening to the Padres announcers as well and they are making WAY too big a deal about the foul ball sound effects.... geesh.

[Danny Serafini]

Bah. Aurilia would've hit a 3 run homer.

[TeamCasey]

Need good updates today, guys.

Peeking in from work periodically. :)

[Roy Tucker]

Welcome to the starting SS position Felipe! It's yours for the rest of the year. Have fun.
We can only hope.

[gm]

The Padres annoucer somewhat of a amped up freak.

He must've interned under Niehaus

[RedsBaron]

Welcome to the starting SS position Felipe! It's yours for the rest of the year. Have fun.

Rem
Miley will probably bench Lopez now. :evil:

[smith288]

Griffey is ON now...

[traderumor]

this guy trying to audition for the Reds staff?

[smith288]

Double by Griffey off the left field wall.

[TRF]

Double by Junior. 2nd and third, 0 outs.

[Danny Serafini]

This debut is getting uglier. Hit batter, HR, walk, double. Welcome to the big leagues kid!

[Falls City Beer]

This debut is getting uglier. Hit batter, HR, walk, double. Welcome to the big leagues kid!

Gotta make sure we capitalize, though, first.

[gm]

Need good updates today, guys.

Peeking in from work periodically. :)

Padre's rookie pitcher (Stauffer) hasn't recorded an out. He hit Freel, Lopez homered, Casey walked and Junior doubled. 2-0 Reds and the SD pitching coach Balsley is giving the kid a pep talk

[smith288]

This guy's lack of nerves are unreal...

[gm]

Dunner HBP, bases drunk, 0 outs

[Roy Tucker]

Bah. Aurilia would've hit a 3 run homer.
No, he would have struck out on a pitch a foot outside.

However, he would have come back to the dugout displaying great veteran leadership.

[Red Leader]

Dunn HBP.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Dunn would've sac. flied if not HBP on that one. I could feel it! :laugh:

[smith288]

No, he would have struck out on a pitch a foot outside.

However, he would have come back to the dugout displaying great veteran leadership. :lol:

[traderumor]

In honor of another Padres' debut, he's trying to pull a Tankersley

[creek14]

Dunner HBP, bases drunk, 0 outs
Nobody hits Dunn. :p:

[RedsBaron]

No, he would have struck out on a pitch a foot outside.

However, he would have come back to the dugout displaying great veteran leadership. :laugh:

[OldRightHander]

It's nice to see another team's pitcher perform like this for a change.

[westofyou]

Padre's rookie pitcher (Stauffer) hasn't recorded an out. He hit Freel, Lopez homered, Casey walked and Junior doubled. 2-0 Reds and the SD pitching coach Balsley is giving the kid a pep talk

Mmmmm... Wilsonrific.

[smith288]

My prediction (neg me if you want):

Reds scorch this rookie, then the replacement will freeze the Reds bats

[Joseph]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, guys named Joe rule.....except this time.

[westofyou]

Mmmmmm... Krispy DP by Padres.

[remdog]

Here's Randa's chance to show that he should be fronting Kearns. :)

Rem

[traderumor]

Paging Puffy, come in puffy ;)

[Joseph]

End of 1, Reds 2, Pads 1.

Should have had a LOT more out of that inning.

[Red Leader]

Was there a possible worse outcome of that Randa AB?

[Falls City Beer]

End of 1, Reds 2, Pads 1.

Should have had a LOT more out of that inning.

If anyone doesn't think that inning will come back to bite the Reds, he/she's crazy.

But then again, this team redefines ways to lose.

[gm]

MLB.com Gameday reports a 5-2-5 DP?! There's a rarity

[smith288]

Was there a possible worse outcome of that Randa AB? triple play?

[remdog]

Actually, both pitchers could have given up a lot more. Considering everything, I'm just happy the Reds are up at this point.

Rem

[15fan]

Bases loaded, no outs, and the Reds get...squat.

That snapshot captures the essence of the entire season so far.

[Red Leader]

MLB.com Gameday reports a 5-2-5 DP?! There's a rarity

That's the way Joe Randa hit into it, believe it or not. :laugh:

[gm]

Padre's rookie pitcher (Stauffer) hasn't recorded an out. He hit Freel, Lopez homered, Casey walked and Junior doubled. 2-0 Reds and the SD pitching coach Balsley is giving the kid a pep talk

2-1, mea culpa

[Red Leader]

triple play?

I stand corrected, forgot about that option. :laugh:

Thanks, smith.

[Roy Tucker]

So, what happened? cbs.sportsline was a little confused.

A 5-2-5 triple play?

[Falls City Beer]

Two outs back-to-back from Wilson. Anybody wanna research the last time that happened?

[traderumor]

Aurilia surprised and not happy about his placement on the DL according to Fay. Cry me a river :rolleyes:

[Red Leader]

So, what happened? cbs.sportsline was a little confused.

A 5-2-5 triple play?

Randa hit a grounder to 3rd. Burroughs threw home to get Casey at home, then Ojeda threw to 3rd to get Griffey at 3rd. Double play.

[Danny Serafini]

Tim Stauffer's career OPS is now 2.000.

[Ryan the Reds Fan]

That is an interesting point though. I just heard Fay say that as well, maybe the team was looking for a reason.

[westofyou]

That is an interesting point though. I just heard Fay say that as well, maybe the team was looking for a reason.

Once again I'll bring up Terry Pendelton 1997.

This time his great DL argument with Ray Knight and Bowden.

[smith288]

Warm up the pen

[gm]

Dave Roberts = Brett Butler

[Falls City Beer]

I know Wilson sucks, but this is a very special suckiness. He's almost got to be injured.

[Roy Tucker]

Randa hit a grounder to 3rd. Burroughs threw home to get Casey at home, then Ojeda threw to 3rd to get Griffey at 3rd. Double play.
Thanks RL. Sportsline said it was a triple play. I couldn't figure out where all the outs came from. They've corrected it now.

[oneupper]

Was that a mental mistake by Randa?..could have cost a run...

[gm]

The lovely and talented Loretta grounds out to Randa, 2-1 Reds coming to bat

[Puffy]

Paging Puffy, come in puffy ;)

Nah, I'll leave it alone. Randa has been better than I thought all year, so I'll continue giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, if he does it again he's fair game!

[smith288]

Nah, I'll leave it alone. Randa has been better than I thought all year, so I'll continue giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, if he does it again he's fair game! How convenient. ;)

[OldRightHander]

Thanks RL. Sportsline said it was a triple play. I couldn't figure out where all the outs came from. They've corrected it now.

Actually, I think the third baseman stepped on third to get the force on Griffey, then Casey was hung out to dry between third and home. He threw home and the catcher ran Casey back toward third and then threw back to third for the tag out.

[gm]

Stauffer retires Red's 1-2-3, on to the 3rd

[REDREAD]

Stauffer retires Red's 1-2-3, on to the 3rd

I guess he was due for a "lean cuisine" inning...

[MWM]

Just checked in and 5 hits in 2 innings is not good. Looks like another long day for the relievers.

[traderumor]

The lovely and talented Loretta grounds out to Randa, 2-1 Reds coming to batYou know, its really dumb, but I've always had a hard time appreciating Loretta as a ballplayer because of that last name.

[gm]

Actually, I think the third baseman stepped on third to get the force on Griffey, then Casey was hung out to dry between third and home. He threw home and the catcher ran Casey back toward third and then threw back to third for the tag out.

Gameday said Casey was out at home, Griffey out at 3rd. Must've been a couple of quick relay throws...

[traderumor]

Just checked in and 5 hits in 2 innings is not good. Looks like another long day for the relievers.We'll throw the Lizard at 'em. They won't know what hit 'em.

[Red Leader]

Actually, I think the third baseman stepped on third to get the force on Griffey, then Casey was hung out to dry between third and home. He threw home and the catcher ran Casey back toward third and then threw back to third for the tag out.

I was just going off of what Yahoo was telling me. I'm not watching the game, so I'll defer to anyone that actually saw the play on TV, or heard it described on the radio.

[OldRightHander]

I'm listening and going off what Marty said happened, so I didn't see the play myself. He said the third baseman forced Griffey at third, threw home, and then tagged Casey out when the catcher threw back to third.

[oneupper]

I'm watching on MLB.TV. It was like ORH said.

[Red Leader]

I'm watching on MLB.TV. It was like ORH said.

Either way, Randa sucked it. :laugh:

[JaxRed]

Elizardo would make perfect sense if you need a long reliever today. You'll love this guy's delivery. Very effortless.

[gm]

Wilson retires Klesko and Nevin
Giles walks, Burroughs singles
Greene HBP, bases drunk, 2 out

[oneupper]

Either way, Randa sucked it. :laugh:

Yeah..nobody picked up on his mental error in the second.

Men on second and third..ball hit to Randa and he goes and tags the guy going from second to third. If Roberts (the runner) could have turned that into a rundown, the run from third (Stauffer) could have counted.

[MWM]

Wilson won't make it past the All Star break. He's allergic to easy innings.

[Puffy]

Alright!! Brian Giles did not, I repeat not, get a hit off Wilson this time.

He walked, but dagburnit, it wasn't a hit.

[traderumor]

Wilson trying to implement the newest pitch to contact twist...hit a guy that kills you in the leg

[gm]

Either way, Randa sucked it. :laugh:

Joe did the same thing that Fat Albert did against Graves back in April. Hard hit grounder to 3rd

hang with 'em

My bad, thought you were referring to the bases-loaded DP

[gm]

Wilson retires Klesko and Nevin
Giles walks, Burroughs singles
Greene HBP, bases drunk, 2 out

Ojeda F-7, no damage

[Puffy]

Good thing he retired Ojeda there, because that Stauffer dude has never made an out in major league career :eek:

[Red Leader]

Joe did the same thing that Fat Albert did against Graves back in April. Hard hit grounder to 3rd

hang with 'em

Yea, I know, I'm just giving Randa a hard time, well, because, 1) he's not here, and 2) it's just sooo easy...

[Roy Tucker]

Man, we are seeing some clutch hitting today.

[Red Leader]

Lopez leads off by lining out to 2nd.

I'm hoping someone gets on board, so Dunn gets a crack at this guy after he hit him with a pitch.

[gm]

Bottom 3rd, Lopez lines out to 2b
Casey singles
Junior walks

[Puffy]

Casey with the single, Junior walks.

1st and 2nd for Dunn....

[MWM]

There goes Dunn again, taking the easy walk and letting Randa do the heavy lifting. Who cares that there's now TWO runners in scoring position instead of one without wasting an out.

[westofyou]

Leaves the heavy lifting for Randa... Again. ;)

[gm]

Dunn walks, bases again drunk for the Joker, 1 out

Randa pops up to 2b, go kEARSnsie

[westofyou]

http://voicespolice.free.fr/syncrhonicity.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa pops out. 2 out.

[traderumor]

Aurilia whammied Randa with his ugly stick

[MWM]

jinx.

[Puffy]

Joe Randa has now left a small village on the basepads today, and we're only in the third inning.....

[OldRightHander]

That's why I don't like Randa batting behind Dunn. All that's going to do is get Dunn a ton of walks.

[Red Leader]

http://voicespolice.free.fr/syncrhonicity.jpg


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

good one, woy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns strikes out. Bases left loaded.

[Puffy]

Ugh.

Just ugh.

[Roy Tucker]

Kearns K's to end the inning.

*Man*, we are seeing some clutch hitting today.

[Red Leader]

Joe Randa has now left a small village on the basepads today, and we're only in the third inning.....

Sesame Street doesn't even sponsor a number greater than the number of men Randa has left on base today.

[traderumor]

Cripes, bases loaded twice against a rookie and NO RUNS

[gm]

can't spell Kearns without a K, on to the 4th

Red's offense = score in the 1st and take the rest of the day off?

[smith288]

I thought I was going to like this lineup until the Dunn->Randa dynamic reveals itself.

WALK dunn, let Randa leave 'em on... Ugh.

[Red Leader]

hey look I'm at 11,794 posts....AGAIN :laugh:

It's like Groundhog Day on redszone.

[Falls City Beer]

Looks like the kid's got some hemp on his fastball. If it goes in the strikezone, the Reds don't look like they're doing much with it.

[Roy Tucker]

Sesame Street doesn't even sponsor a number greater than the number of men Randa has left on base today.
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision.

[lollipopcurve]

I have a feeling one of our OFrs is going to SD and Stauffer is coming back.

What more could we want for Kearns, say, than a gutsy GB artist filling up the #4 position in the rotation?

[gm]

Dave Roberts = Brett frickin' Butler (bunt single following Stauffer's ground out)

[smith288]

Reasons Freel will never be considered starter material doing stuff like that.

[westofyou]

Ryan "Ritialin" Freel the man with the metabolism of a Squirrel does a Larry Bird without the grace.

[flyer85]

Joe Randa has now left a small village on the basepads today, and we're only in the third inning.....of course you take no satisfaction in that.:D

[Red Leader]

Why does Wilson always seem to get himself into trouble with the meat of the order coming up?

[MWM]

How many starts for Wilson before he's yanked from the rotation? He's not been much better today than last outing.

[westofyou]

Kleskos line vs Wilson prior to this game.

.538 .600 1.769 2.369

[flyer85]

Why does Wilson always seem to get himself into trouble with the meat of the order coming up?he seems to get himself in trouble no matter what part of the order is coming up

[ochre]

Why does Wilson always seem to get himself into trouble?
You'd have been ok leaving it at that.

[Danny Serafini]

Time to update the Klesko stats - 8-16, 6HRs. 4-2 SD.

[gm]

Loretta Singles, Klesko goes yard

4-2 SD, the humanity

[smith288]

Wilson has the nerves of a rookie pitcher in his first start...oh wait a minute...nevermind.

[Chip R]

Wilson is having problems out there - it must be the 4th inning. :help:

[traderumor]

Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent now. Where are you?

[westofyou]

Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent. Where are you?

Reds Live?

[MWM]

Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent. Where are you?

We also heard how re-signing him was evidence that DanO is on the right track.

[gm]

Nevin pops up, 2 down
Giles singles (might as well plunk him)
Burroughs G-4, sideout

[RedFanAlways1966]

Paul Wilson, after Klesko's HR... 1.83 WHIP, 7.55 ERA. Sample size not too small anymore.

:bang:

[Reds Fanatic]

Burroughs grounds out. 4-2 SD middle of the 4th.

[ochre]

Time to update the Klesko stats - 8-16, 6HRs.
Is that just today?

:)

[Danny Serafini]

I'm starting to think Wilson is hurt and trying to gut it out instead of telling someone. He's not a star, but he's not THIS bad.

[Roy Tucker]

We also heard how re-signing him was evidence that DanO is on the right track.
The problem is, that right track is the 3rd rail.

[westofyou]

trying to gut it out instead of telling someone.

Common fallacy of the "leaders" on recent Reds teams. They refuse to step back when their game is substandard. In turn it's seen as "gallant"

I see it as stupid and selfish.

[RedFanAlways1966]

We also heard how re-signing him was evidence that DanO is on the right track.

Change one letter and "track" becomes "crack"...

:evil:

[REDREAD]

Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent now. Where are you?

I didn't think it was a HUGE priority, but I liked it.. Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.
I expected Wilson to be mediocre, but not this awful though.

I mainly liked the Wilson signing because we have no depth at all at starting pitching.

I wonder if Wilson is injured?

[gm]

I'm starting to think Wilson is hurt and trying to gut it out instead of telling someone. He's not a star, but he's not THIS bad.

Ben Weber syndrome. Schedule an MRI and see what the Lizard can do?

[flyer85]

As it turns out I am just happy they didn't give Wilson $8M a year like they did some other pitcher whose career has been defined by being below league average.

[westofyou]

Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.

Assumption, the money was there, why do you think it was only there for Wilson?

[flyer85]

I didn't think it was a HUGE priority, but I liked it.. Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.
At least we wouldn't be paying him $4M+ to kick us in the soft parts.

[gm]

LaRue pops up...wonder if Jason's hurt and gallantly hiding it?

Wilson Ks, evidently Dave and Don haven't seen enough of Paulie

[Chip R]

Ben Weber syndrome. Schedule an MRI and see what the Lizard can do?And if nothing shows up, bribe someone to retouch the results.

[ochre]

The problem is, that right track is the 3rd rail.
signing Paul Wilson is like repealing social security? :)

Another use of the term third rail is to denote a political idea or topic that is so unpopular that a politician or public official who suggests it becomes the subject of public derision; for example, a politician who would advocate the repeal of the US Social Security program. The analogy is that touching the third rail results in instant death.

[Roy Tucker]

I think I would have PH for Wilson here and said "nice try today Paul, but I think you need a rest".

[flyer85]

Someone performs poorly and people think their hurt. Maybe the answer is they weren't all that good to begin with.

[westofyou]

LaRue pops up...wonder if Jason's hurt and gallantly hiding it?

Catchers are always hurt... gallant too.

[traderumor]

I'm starting to think Wilson is hurt and trying to gut it out instead of telling someone. He's not a star, but he's not THIS bad.

Yea, he is.

[gm]

Freel Ks, Red's offense let rookie pitcher off the hook, and now he's dealing

[Falls City Beer]

This kid is flat-out murdering the Reds' righthanded hitters.

[TylerScottDavis]

The race to 100 pitches

Wilson - 80
Stauffer - 84

Thru 4

Can Wilson actually throw that many??? (shudder...)

[traderumor]

I didn't think it was a HUGE priority, but I liked it.. Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.
I expected Wilson to be mediocre, but not this awful though.

I mainly liked the Wilson signing because we have no depth at all at starting pitching.

I wonder if Wilson is injured?Jeroime Robertson could probably at least post a 5 something ERA. Wilson is throwing the same as he always does, sometimes guys catch them, either in the field of play, here lately mostly the fat guys in the seats have been fighting over them.

[REDREAD]

Assumption, the money was there, why do you think it was only there for Wilson?

I'm sure you could find a 4 million dollar pitcher that was signed last season that was better than Wilson. But would he be willing to come to Cincy? Remember, Wilson was the first signing, there was no indication of the big spending spree. In fact, after Wilson was signed, DanO said starting pitching was no longer a priority.

So I was happy to get what I thought was an average pitcher as opposed to a known horrible one being in the rotation (Acevado or Robertson).

Naturally, it looks really bad now that Wilson has imploded. But I don't think anyone predicted he'd be this bad.

Anyhow, I'm explaining the reasoning at the time. If I had known at the time Wilson was signed that DanO was sitting on 18 million payflex, I would've thought differently.

Not saying I was right by any means, but there was also a lot of posters that overcriticized DanO's offseason moves. Some turned out ok. IMO, it's a lot easier to be an armchair GM and say the Reds should've just blown the entire wad on Lowe and Clement now.. But would those guys have wanted to come here?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of DanO. I admit that I got overly optimistic about the moves he made. But geez, no one predicted Wilson would be THIS bad.

[Falls City Beer]

Oh the ignominious fate of being K'ed by Paul Wilson.

[MWM]

Man, that Felipe Lopez sure doesn't know how to throw the ball over to first, does he? :cool:

[gm]

Common fallacy of the "leaders" on recent Reds teams. They refuse to step back when their game is substandard. In turn it's seen as "gallant"

I see it as stupid and selfish.

What's sauce for the Casey is sauce for the Larkin (although I'd say "step aside")

[Raisor]

He must've interned under Niehaus

hey now, Dave Neihaus is the MAN.

I HEART Dave.

[flyer85]

I'm sure you could find a 4 million dollar pitcher that was signed last season that was better than Wilson. But would he be willing to come to Cincy? My suggestion was Loiaza.

[westofyou]

I was happy to get what I thought was an average pitcher

were you happy when he was slotted number one? Not me, average is average, Paul Wilson's career and stuff is below average, that's what the numbers say.

I listen to the numbers most of the time.

[gm]

Greene flies out
Ojeda whiffs
Stauffer G-6

gO rEdz!

[flyer85]

I listen to the numbers most of the time.ah ... comforting to know our front office doesn't:help:

[pedro]

My suggestion was Loiaza.

He'd never fit in with the Reds. He's only given up 2 HR's in 7 games.

[REDREAD]

Jeroime Robertson could probably at least post a 5 something ERA. .

Sadly, I think we'll get a chance to see what Jeroime can do before the season is over :(

Obviously the Wilson signing has blown up in our faces, I'm not defending it.

Just saying why at the time, it didn't seem that bad, based on the little info we had. Heck, if DanO didn't sign Wilson, Milton and get Ortiz (as many posters wanted him to do.. sit tight and do nothing if that's the best he could do).. If DanO did nothing, can you imagine how terrible this team would be?

Rotation: Claussen, Robertson, Besisle, Acevado, Harang..

Again, I agree DanO has made more bad choices than good ones, but if Wilson repeats what he did in 2004, then it would've been an excellent signing. (Yes, I know that is a big if).

[gm]

hey now, Dave Neihaus is the MAN.

I HEART Dave.

I brake for Mariner's updates

(gag reflex)

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior singles

[westofyou]

hey now, Dave Neihaus is the MAN.

I HEART Dave.

Dave is the metal chair leg dragging across the floor of MLB radio

The Padres annoucer is the english police siren of MLB radio.

Marty is the grumpy old man sitting in front of the barbershop of MLB radio.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to left. 4-2 SD after 5.

[gm]

Lopez G-3
Casey F-9
Junior singles

Gameday says 3 outs, but no explanation re: how Dunn was retired

[pedro]

I listen to the numbers most of the time.

Apparently DanO believes "3" is the magic number, since he likes #3 starters so much.

Really, I'm not sure anyone on the Reds other than Harang could be a #3 on any other team in the majors. And he might be a push.

[Falls City Beer]

This kid must actually be pretty tough to hit. He's made a bunch of good hitters look bad all day long.

[REDREAD]

were you happy when he was slotted number one? Not me, average is average, .

Nope, wasn't happy he was our ace. Was happy to get what I thought was a better pitcher than Robertson or Acevado in the rotation. When you're at rock bottom (as the Reds are in pitching), you take incremental improvements.

But at least I'm admiting I liked the Wilson signing, and I was wrong.. At least I'm not going back into the old threads and editing my comments :laugh:
(I'm not accusing you or anyone of doing that, but it cracks me up that people here actually do that). Yes, I liked the signing, it blew up in our faces. I was wrong, and it won't be the last time :laugh:

[Raisor]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of DanO. I admit that I got overly optimistic about the moves he made. But geez, no one predicted Wilson would be THIS bad.


I said, on more then one occasion, that Wilson could fall off the map at any minute.

Dude's arm is held on by paperclips, rubberbands, and painter's putty for goodness sakes.

[MWM]

I said, on more then one occasion, that Wilson could fall off the map at any minute.

:wave:

[westofyou]

Apparently DanO believes "3" is the magic number, since he likes #3 starters so much.

Really, I'm not sure anyone on the Reds other than Harang could be a #3 on any other team in the majors. And he might be a push.

He likes Prime Numbers

[Falls City Beer]

Looks like Pauly's the sacrificial lamb today. He's being put in a spot where he WILL fail here in the 6th.

[REDREAD]

I said, on more then one occasion, that Wilson could fall off the map at any minute.

Dude's arm is held on by paperclips, rubberbands, and painter's putty for goodness sakes.

True, you did say that.. I think most posters just used the ambiguous reasoning that surely someone better could've been gotten for the same $$. I'm not sure that was possible, given that Lindner and Allen have turned Cincy into the baseball Siberia. It took a lot of lobbying by Casey and others just to get the mediocre FAs that we did get to come here.

[TylerScottDavis]

I hope I'm wrong, but keeping Wilson out there for the 6th could be a really bad idea...hope somebody moving around in the pen

[pedro]

This kid must actually be pretty tough to hit. He's made a bunch of good hitters look bad all day long.

from espn.com

Tim Stauffer was the fourth overall pick in the 2003 draft. The University of Richmond right-hander had a dominant '03 college season, going 9-5 with a 1.97 ERA and a 146/19 K/BB ratio in 114 innings. Most experts felt he was no more than a year away from being ready to compete in the majors, making him a fine pick at fourth overall. But a post-draft physical examination revealed shoulder weakness. To his credit, Stauffer told the Padres about the injury. His honesty cost him financially, the Padres reducing his bonus from $2.6 million to $750,000, but it was a strong testament to his character. The soreness cleared up without surgery, and Stauffer was healthy and effective in 2004.

Scouting report
Stauffer's fastball isn't spectacular in terms of velocity. He's usually at 89-91 mph, sometimes a notch higher. But his heater has good movement and he commands it well. The pitch looks faster than it is due to the contrast with his other offerings: a changeup, a standard curveball, a knucklecurve, and a cut fastball he will use in slider counts. Stauffer demonstrates excellent command of all his pitches.

[flyer85]

too bad we have DanO, we could have had Dean Taylor. Wait DanO brought him in. I guess they make a good pair of _____.

Go ahead and fill in the blank.

[gm]

Dave Roberts = Brett ^*@#% Butler, singles
Loretta doubles
Wilson out, Stone in

[gm]

Klesko F-8, runners stay put
Nevin F-8, sac fly, 5-2, 2 outs

[pedro]

He likes Prime Numbers

and apparently getting good pitchers would violate Star Treks "prime directive"

PRIME DIRECTIVE


As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral
obligation.

[Puffy]

Dave Roberts and Mark Loretta are now 7 for 8 on the day. When your top two hitters go 7 for 8 thru 6 innings, well you are going to score mucho runs.

[gm]

Giles IBB (shoulda just plunked him)

[flyer85]

Dave Roberts and Mark Loretta are now 7 for 8 on the day. When your top two hitters go 7 for 8 thru 6 innings, well you are going to score mucho runs.

[waterboy voice] That's some high quality hitting [/waterboy voice]

[gm]

Burroughs singles to left, but Loretta can't score, bases drunk

Greene F-7, bottom 6, 5-2 Fathers

[BuckU]

Good work Stone...

[Reds Fanatic]

Greene flies out to end the inning. 5-2 SD middle of the 6th.

[pedro]

man are the Reds lucky they've only given up 5 runs. What's that? 15 baserunners in 6 innings?

[traderumor]

This should actually be about a tie game. We let the kid off the hook big time twice.

[SteelSD]

man are the Reds lucky they've only given up 5 runs. What's that? 15 baserunners in 6 innings?

I'm waiting for someone to show up to tell us that Wilson did a great job keeping the Reds in the game.

[smith288]

You team suck lately? Their bats look like took the week off? Well just experience (insert Reds opponents name here) baseball when they travel to Cincinnati to take on the Reds and light up their "pitching" for 3 games. Hitless streaks bid farewell when every marginal player rakes the ball all over the Great American Ballpark.

[flyer85]

We let the kid off the hook big time twice.If they didn't they wouldn't be the Reds.

[gm]

man are the Reds lucky they've only given up 5 runs. What's that? 15 baserunners in 6 innings?

Damage control. If I was a SD fan I'd be worried that the Reds were still "hanging around"

But I'm not, and they've got Hoffman. Better tie it before the 9th

[smith288]

Sounds like a RedsZoner wrote marty&steve :lol:

[OldRightHander]

I'm waiting for someone to show up to tell us that Wilson did a great job keeping the Reds in the game.

You know what? I think Wilson did really well keeping the Reds within striking distance. He kept us in the game. What more can we ask?

[pedro]

Marty Just Said "what The Hell Do You Need With 13 Pitchers"

[TeamCasey]

Thanks for the updates, guys. Heading out of here pretty soon.

[smith288]

Marty Just Said "what The Hell Do You Need With 13 Pitchers" He read that from an emailer.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 6th. 5-2 SD after 6.

[westofyou]

http://fusionanomaly.net/tooterturtlemrwizard.jpg

"Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be disappointed anymore!"

[gm]

the Joker lines out to 3rd
Kearns taps back to the mound
LaRue pops up to 2nd

on to the 7th...

[SteelSD]

Marty Just Said "what The Hell Do You Need With 13 Pitchers"

Dan O'Brien believes that if you play in a room full of nothing but horse manure, eventually you'll find a pony.

[traderumor]

This team is definately taking on the personality of the manager. Boring, no sense of urgency, showing up every day because there's a game, having two or three decisions a game to make and screwing them up...feel free to add on

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez in to pitch, Valentin in to catch

[Puffy]

Hey, Dave Roberts with a chance to go 5 for 5 later this inning. Stay tuned......

[BuckU]

Man is LaRue lost out there...

[gm]

The Lizard is on the mound...and he strikes out Ojeda

[Reds Fanatic]

Ojeda strikes out looking. 1 out.

[RFS62]

http://fusionanomaly.net/tooterturtlemrwizard.jpg

"Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be disappointed anymore!"


Drizzle, Drazzle, Druzzle, Drone....

Time for this one to go home....

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_110383.jpg

[gm]

Sweeney batting for Stauffer

[westofyou]

Drizzle, Drazzle, Druzzle, Drone....

Time for this one to go home....



Tooter is the Reds new mascot, he never knew what he was and never could find it either.

[gm]

Sweeney doubles...go ahead and plunk Roberts, here

Roberts lines out to Kearns, 2 down

Gullett to the mound to talk strategy about...Loretta?

[RFS62]

Tooter is the Reds new mascot, he never knew what he was and never could find it either.

And, he's faster than Casey.

[wheels]

You know what? I think Wilson did really well keeping the Reds within striking distance. He kept us in the game. What more can we ask?

I dunno....Holding the opposition to maybe just two runs, striking out a few batters, ya know....Generally being a good pitcher.

Haven't seen enough of that lately, and excuses just won't cut it with me anymore.

I want performance, period.

Oh yeah, and dominance every now and then would be nice too.

[pedro]

Dan O'Brien believes that if you play in a room full of nothing but horse manure, eventually you'll find a pony.

I hope it's a "magic pony"

[smith288]

Roberts can suck an egg! HA!

[westofyou]

Reds so far

289 innings pitched

341 hits given up.

Kearns is a gem in the field, that is a given.

[pedro]

I know someone is watching this (maybe on mlb.tv) how's the "lizard" look?

[westofyou]

I know someone is watching this (maybe on mlb.tv) how's the "lizard" look?

http://www.propmasters.net/images/ENEMY%20MINE%20MASK%202ND%20SHOT.jpg

[pedro]

Well he's settling right in.

Loretta with a double.

sweeney scores, padres up 6-2

[RFS62]

He's gonna fit in just fine

[oneupper]

I know someone is watching this (maybe on mlb.tv) how's the "lizard" look?

He looks like he's 16!