Game Thread for 5/22 Reds vs Indians

[Reds Fanatic]

Here are the lineups:


CLEVELAND CINCINNATI
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
Grady Sizemore CF .273 3 16 Felipe Lopez SS .296 5 18
Casey Blake RF .195 6 12 William Bergolla 2B .154 0 0
Ben Broussard 1B .265 3 17 Sean Casey 1B .302 2 21
Ryan Ludwick LF .216 3 4 Ken Griffey Jr CF .260 6 26
Josh Bard C .167 1 4 Adam Dunn LF .254 12 24
Aaron Boone 3B .162 4 13 Joe Randa 3B .286 4 22
Alex Cora SS .228 1 4 Austin Kearns RF .248 5 18
Ronnie Belliard 2B .260 6 17 Jason Larue C .194 1 11
Cliff Lee LHP .000 0 0 Ramon Ortiz RHP .000 0 0
(4-2, 3.94) (1-2, 5.55)

[GAC]

I still don't see how you can have a guy who is OPSing over 1.00 with an OB% of .415 batting 5th in this lineup. And he is 2nd on this team in steals too.

But then, I'm still waiting for that rabbit to come out of the worm hole. ;)

[RBA]

Same ole Aaron Boone, Mr All or Nothing. Looks like more Mr Nothing this year.

[RedRoser]

And I don't see why Miley is still in the Reds dugout.
And that makes the answer to both our questions somewhat the same.
"He shouldn't be!" :bang:

[RedRoser]

Games getting ready to start and poor GAC is all alone in chat because I just left to turn on the TV in another room.
Now, SOMEBODY get in there and keep the boy company! :D

[Reds Fanatic]

Sizemore flies out to right. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blake singles to left.

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard flies out to left. 2 out.

[Chip R]

Where's George? Off licking Jim Edmonds' boots? Being inducted into the Cardinals hall of fame? Getting a refill on his happy pills?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ortiz picks Blake off first.

[PuffyPig]

I actually still hold out hope that Ortiz can pitch OK this year. His stats are skewed (I hope) from that very bad start after he got off the DL. He's got a 3.63 ERA in the rest of his starts. This is an important start for him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez lines out to center. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bergolla strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey flies out to center. 0-0 after 1.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick flies out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bard singles to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Boone fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cora grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[Falls City Beer]

Wow. Has there ever been a more overhyped rebuilding than this Cleveland one? I guess you could argue the Reds. :devil:

[Chip R]

I was serious. Where is George? It's not HOF weekend.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to left. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

I was serious. Where is George? It's not HOF weekend. I believe he is getting some kind of broadcaster's award today.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks

[Falls City Beer]

I believe he is getting some kind of broadcaster's award today.

Or building a Kissing Booth for the next trip into St. Louis.

[M2]

When Dunn learns to mash that inside pitch Lee threw him on 3-1, and he will learn how to do it, he's going to become a force of nature.

[Puffy]

No one on base, 1 out - "soft" walk for Dunn again

Just sayin'

[Falls City Beer]

Come on Randa, don't be a Judy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa flies out to second. Great catch by Belliard. 2 outs.

[Raisor]

good grief, that was an awesome play by Belliard

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns lines a single to left. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Larue strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 2.

[Reds Fanatic]

Belliard singles to right.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lee strikes out. 1 out.

[PuffyPig]

Lee obviously was watching the Red's pitchers take bunting practice.

He would have been better served staying in his hotel room watching Porky Pig reruns.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sizemore triples. 1-0 Indians.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blake singles to left. 2-0 Indians.

[Falls City Beer]

Wow, this team is scintillatingly bad.

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard singles to center. 1st and 2nd with one out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick flies out to left. 2 outs.

[M2]

Grady Sizemore is my kind of ballplayer. Stings the ball, runs well, has patience at the plate (though it hasn't shown up yet this season).

[WVRedsFan]

I guess it's come to this, but I'm really enjoying Dan Hoard doing the pbp on TV. Why oh why can't he do it every game? Here's an idea...move George down to radio as the third man on the WLW team. Marty would have him out of town in 6 innings.

Just kidding...

[Matt700wlw]

Ortiz's last outing: 7 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs

so far today: 2 2/3 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs


hopefully he settles down...

[Reds Fanatic]

Bard strikes out looking. 2-0 Indians mid 3rd.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess it's come to this, but I'm really enjoying Dan Hoard doing the pbp on TV. Why oh why can't he do it every game? Here's an idea...move George down to radio as the third man on the WLW team.


please no.

[Reds Nd2]

please no.
You and George could share rides to work. :evil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Ortiz strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[WVRedsFan]

You and George could share rides to work. :evil:

Yeah, and he could keep you entertained with his stories about those fantastic St. Louis Cardinals.

You know his story...

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[CrackerJack]

No George Grande today and instead Dan Hoard - what a welcome change, he is much more enjoyable to listen to.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bergolla flies out to right. 2-0 Indians after 3.

[GAC]

Well... at least these guys have learned to strike out swinging. :lol:

[Reds Fanatic]

Boone flies out to center. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cora flies out to center. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Belliard gets an infield single.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lee grounds out to 1st. 2-0 Indians mid 4th.

[pahster]

Nice play by Bergolla on Beliard's infield single.

[Reds Nd2]

Belliard gets an infield single.

That was a nice play by Bergolla to even make it close at first. I doubt anyone could have gotten Belliard. He was flying down the line.

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior walks. Good 10 pitch AB.

[Falls City Beer]

Junior walks. Good 10 pitch AB.

Try excellent.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to left. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa flies out to 2nd. 2-0 Indians after 4.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sizemore flies out to left. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blake flies out to the warning track in center. Good running catch for Junior. 2 outs.

[Chip R]

I believe he is getting some kind of broadcaster's award today.
:lol: No, really, where is he? ;) Thanks.

I can't imagine anyone giving George a broadcasters award.

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard flies out to left. 2-0 Indians mid 5th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns strikes out looking. 1 out.

[WVRedsFan]

It's at almost epidemic proportions now. Reds hitters look at more strikes than I can ever remember any team has. Is it the players or is it the instruction they're getting?

Just horrible.

[Reds Fanatic]

Larue grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Falls City Beer]

Dlo did it. Whatever hasn't gone right, it's Dlo's fault.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ortiz who is 0 for 30 lifetime walks.

[Matt700wlw]

It's at almost epidemic proportions now. Reds hitters look at more strikes than I can ever remember any team has. Is it the players or is it the instruction they're getting?

Just horrible.

At this rate of the ballgame, the offense is wasting another pretty good pitching outing by Ortiz..

[Reds Nd2]

Lee didn't want any part of Ortiz. :laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez singles to left. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

[Falls City Beer]

DanO thought DLo was a cooler nickname; had to put a stop to it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bergolla strikes out swinging. 2-0 Indians after 5.

[Falls City Beer]

Bergolla :owned: :deadhorse

[Johnny Footstool]

Is Bergolla striking out swinging on 3 pitches somehow better than Jimenez striking out looking on 7 pitches?

Didn't think so.

[WVRedsFan]

Two interesting things.

A pitching coach actually instructing a pitcher during a game who is having a hard time and little William Bergolla coming up again with 2 outs and a runner in scoring position. One worked and the other didn't.

On to the next inning, 2-0.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick homers off the left field foul pole. 3-0 Indians.

[WVRedsFan]

Ludwick homers off the left field foul pole. 3-0 Indians.

It's (I hope) too early to say this, but I think this game is over.

[Falls City Beer]

Have you noticed how much verve and elan and joie de vivre this team is playing with since their clubhouse cancer was removed?

Everything's just sun and roses.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bard grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Boone grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cora singles to right.

[Matt700wlw]

Ortiz just got his bell rung

[Reds Fanatic]

Belliard singles. The ball hit off Ortiz's face.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ortiz looks like he was in a boxing match. Big shiner under his left eye and Ortiz has to come out of the game.

[Matt700wlw]

It's (I hope) too early to say this, but I think this game is over.

This offense needs to provide support for outings like this....Ortiz did not pitch that bad

3 runs should be enough for an offense to overcome -- and hopefully they will

[Reds Nd2]

Ortiz coming out after getting drilled in the eye on a sharp comebacker to the mound.

Weathers coming in.

[Matt700wlw]

Hopefully Ortiz is not seriously injured...but if it's not one thing, it's something else....

the Reds have awful luck

[Falls City Beer]

"Cincinnati Reds pitcher Ramon Ortiz left the game due to an injured head."

This is how eloquently MLB.com put it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lee grounds out to 3rd. 3-0 Indians mid 6th.

[Falls City Beer]

This team has turned this board into a ghost town.

I thought it would have a drain effect on this board.

[Matt700wlw]

Here's a reality check: the Reds don't have a farm team with a winning record

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey doubles to right.

[paintmered]

At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

So as long as they don't boo Danny Graves, are they they "real" fans? :D

[westofyou]

At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

Is it warm out... generally sunday afternoon is slow, even when the smoke and mirrors are out in full force.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Is it warm out... generally sunday afternoon is slow, even when the smoke and mirrors are out in full force.

About 70...cloudy

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa singles in a run. 3-1.

[westofyou]

About 70...cloudy

Mmmmmm 70........

[Reds Nd2]

At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

Well, it's a day game following a night game. Some of us need our rest. :)

[Unassisted]

At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.Nicer weather than April opens up many more-appealing options. I'll probably switch over to the Spurs-Suns game when it starts.

[Reds Nd2]

Mmmmmm 70........

Mid 70's and sunny here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rafael Betancourt in to pitch for Cleveland.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns reaches on an infield single. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

[SandyD]

here it's 91 ... but it's only 39% humidity, so it's not too bad. that humidity is really very low for us this time of year.

[Reds Fanatic]

Larue strikes out swinging. 3-1 Indians after 6.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sizemore strikes out looking. 1 out.

[SandyD]

Sizemore strikes out looking. 1 out.

Kind of nice when the other guy strikes out looking, isn't it? :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Blake grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Falls City Beer]

David Weathers kicks toosh!

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard flies out to the warning track in right. 3-1 Indians mid 7th.

[Reds Nd2]

Sanatana has a no-hitter through five innngs against Milwaukee.

[Reds Fanatic]

Luis Lopez hitting for Weathers.

[Falls City Beer]

Sanatana has a no-hitter through five innngs against Milwaukee.

Yeah, well, our pitcher got hit by a base hit. :p:

[Eric_Davis]

I've been gone for a bit. Is Freel injured? For how long?

[Reds Fanatic]

I've been gone for a bit. Is Freel injured? For how long? His has a stiff back. Not sure how long this may keep him out.

[Reds Fanatic]

L. Lopez grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanatana has a no-hitter through five innngs against Milwaukee. Brady Clark homered to break up the no-hitter.

[Reds Nd2]

Yeah, well, our pitcher got hit by a base hit. :p:

Maybe after the game, Beliard will offer to autograph the bruise for Ortiz. :D

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[Reds Nd2]

Brady Clark homered to break up the no-hitter.

Two singles have runners on the corners with two outs.

I guess I jinxed him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bergolla grounds out to short. 3-1 Indians after 7.

[Falls City Beer]

Bergolla is tearing it up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wagner in to pitch and L. Lopez stays in to play 2nd.

[Eric_Davis]

How come a guy who's batting .118 is batting 2nd when the offense has been struggling (except for the guy hitting directly behind him, where you'd think you'd want to put someone in front of him who's getting on base).

Apparently, Miley hasn't been fired, yet. What could they possibly be waiting for? How much worse could it get?

[M2]

Bergolla is tearing it up.

He's in over his head. AAA's plenty of challenge for him at the moment.

[MWM]

What could they possibly be waiting for? How much worse could it get?

Come on, man. They got rid of the clubhouse cancer. What more do you want? Haven't you heard it's all about team chemistry.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gerut grounds out to 1st. Good play by Casey. 1 out.

[Reds Nd2]

Hey, a ball boy just gave the ball to a fan. :eek:

[Matt700wlw]

Hey, a ball boy just gave the ball to a fan. :eek:

Probably his last day on the job :evil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Bard lines out to center. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Boone grounds out to 1st. 3-1 Indians mid 8th.

[Reds Nd2]

He's in over his head. AAA's plenty of challenge for him at the moment.

I agree but as long as he's up here he might as well play. It doesn't do much good having him on the bench. Plus, he's made some nice plays on defense. Let the kid enjoy his cup of coffee and let the team get a good look at him. It's not like the Reds are going to be challenging for the playoffs. Think of it as an early September call-up.

[Matt700wlw]

I agree but as long as he's up here he might as well play. It doesn't do much good having him on the bench. Plus, he's made some nice plays on defense. Let the kid enjoy his cup of coffee and let the team get a good look at him. It's not like the Reds are going to be challenging for the playoffs. Think of it as an early September call-up.

It's been early call ups for 5 years....(not usually this early)

[Reds Fanatic]

Scott Sauerbeck in to pitch.

Casey strikes out looking. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[Falls City Beer]

Scott Sauerbeck in to pitch.

Casey strikes out looking. 1 out.

Nah, Jimenez put on a fake stache and foam latex stomach, slipped the real ump a mickey, and called Sean out on strikes.

It's freakin' Bullwinkle out on the field.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn homers. 3-2.

[M2]

Does that one count?

Or was it a soft homer?

[SteelSD]

I agree but as long as he's up here he might as well play. It doesn't do much good having him on the bench. Plus, he's made some nice plays on defense. Let the kid enjoy his cup of coffee and let the team get a good look at him. It's not like the Reds are going to be challenging for the playoffs. Think of it as an early September call-up.

Starting Bergolla while hitting him in the 2-slot in the lineup is just a symptom of what's wrong with this team's management. It's pretty tough to maintain any credibility by positioning the release of a productive player as being performance-driven but to then replace him with a player who won't produce anything but Outs.

It pretty much shows that neither Miley or O'Brien know what's really wrong and have no idea whatsoever as to how to fix it.

[Eric_Davis]

I still think we should have tried to make a trade with the Braves for Wilson Betemit (his OPS is 1.028 right now). For the next two years he could post an OPS of .830-.860 while playing 3rd, 2nd, or SS. He put many years in the minors, and though new to the Majors is mature in age and ready to hit major league pitching right now. He's not their SS of the present or the future, so he's available. Actually, most every Brave has always been available, as they've had more roster changes over the last seven years than any team in all of baseball.

Man, I wish I was running the REDS. I'd do such a better job.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bob Howry in to pitch.

[Matt700wlw]

The ump is choking :eek:


This ump is having a bad day

[Reds Fanatic]

Home plate ump ran off the field looked like he was getting sick.

[Falls City Beer]

Home plate ump ran off the field looked like he was getting sick.

Ahh. Dude, I was kidding!

[Matt700wlw]

Home plate ump ran off the field looked like he was getting sick.

The Reds have gone and done it now....

[Eric_Davis]

Win or lose...hope you're enjoying the baseball when you're at the game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa grounds out to 3rd. 3-2 Indians after 8.

[MWM]

Hey ED, how's Jason Lane doing this year? :evil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Graves in to pitch.

[Matt700wlw]

Graves in to pitch.

Is that what he calls it?

[Reds Fanatic]

Cora singles to lead off the inning.

[MWM]

If I get around to i, I'll do the research, but I'd bet Danny Graves has the leadoff guy reach base in over half his appearances.

[Reds Fanatic]

Belliard sacrifices the runner to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

I don't understand why Wagner was not left out there for the 9th. They leave Lopez in so Wagner can pitch more than one inning. Then Wagner has a 1-2-3 8th and they take him out anyway.

[SteelSD]

Fans booing Graves relentlessly even when issuing an IBB.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hafner pinch hits and is intentionally walked.

[SteelSD]

The booing is now past relentless as the Run scores.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sizemore singles in a run. Way to go Graves.

[Matt700wlw]

Now they're booing as he let's the Indians open the lead up more

[SteelSD]

And here come two more.

Graves, you can go away now.

[Matt700wlw]

Graves feels small

[MWM]

I guess there's no REAL fans at the game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blake doubles in 2 runs. Please release Graves. 6-2.

[MWM]

They should just eat Graves' contract and let him go. Talk about maximum effort. Going by the way he's been talking about the fans recently and how bad he's been pitching, I wonder if he's really giving his BEST effort.

[Edskin]

Dave Miley is a complete laughingstock. Embarrasing manager.

[Reds Fanatic]

Graves ERA is now 6.38. What a joke.

[Matt700wlw]

Danny Graves is the suck

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard singles in another run. 7-2.

[SteelSD]

Fourth Run of the Inning scores. Graves has now allowed five baserunners.

The Graves situation is past untenable.

[oneupper]

I don't understand why Wagner was not left out there for the 9th. They leave Lopez in so Wagner can pitch more than one inning. Then Wagner has a 1-2-3 8th and they take him out anyway.

Normal people do not readily understand why stupid people do what they do.

[Mitri]

Danny Graves say your goodbyes. I think you just saw your last outing in Cincinnati.

[Reds Fanatic]

Graves exits to a chorus of boos. By the way his ERA is now 6.87.

[M2]

I'm not saying for sure that a good CF would have gloved Blake's double, but Jr. didn't get hailing distance of it. For lack of a better word it was Auriliaish.

[MWM]

In his first three outings of the year, Danny didn't giveup any runs. Since then, he's pitched 16 times and given up at leat one run 8 times.

He's gone from being a good reliever out of position as a closer, to a bad reliever, to not even a major league pitcher.

[oneupper]

I hope Broussard scores so Graves gets another ER.
Does that make me evil? :evil:

[Reds Nd2]

Starting Bergolla while hitting him in the 2-slot in the lineup is just a symptom of what's wrong with this team's management. It's pretty tough to maintain any credibility by positioning the release of a productive player as being performance-driven but to then replace him with a player who won't produce anything but Outs.

It pretty much shows that neither Miley or O'Brien know what's really wrong and have no idea whatsoever as to how to fix it.

I agree Steel and I agree with M2 and others that Bergolla doesn't need to be here. But he is, and I don't really have a problem with him playing at this point in the season. I guess I'm just trying to find some kind of bright spot to this team and those are far and few between.

Just curious and this isn't meant to be argumentative, but who would you have playing 2B? With D'Lo gone and Freel hurt, I'm not sure they have any other options.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Nothing to make a thread explode like a Danny Graves outing. :)

[Matt700wlw]

It's the fans fault.....they don't support

[Reds Fanatic]

Gerut doubles. Unbelievable.

[Chip R]

They should just eat Graves' contract and let him go. Talk about maximum effort. Going by the way he's been talking about the fans recently and how bad he's been pitching, I wonder if he's really giving his BEST effort.If they really wanted to make a statement, Graves would be gone. Go away, Danny, and don't come back.

[Eric_Davis]

Hey ED, how's Jason Lane doing this year? :evil:

He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

He's having a horrible May.

[Reds Fanatic]

2 more runs score. 9-2. Please fire Miley and release Graves as soon as the game is over.

[SteelSD]

I agree Steel and I agree with M2 and others that Bergolla doesn't need to be here. But he is, and I don't really have a problem with him playing at this point in the season. I guess I'm just trying to find some kind of bright spot to this team and those are far and few between.

Just curious and this isn't meant to be argumentative, but who would you have playing 2B? With D'Lo gone and Freel hurt, I'm not sure they have any other options.

If I were in charge of this ballclub, D'Angelo Jimenez would be playing Second Base today and would be hitting 7th in the lineup.

Miley and O'Brien created their own mess, so they really have no excuse.

(And I know you're not being argumentative.) :)

[Matt700wlw]

5 earned runs today for Danny

[Reds Fanatic]

Boone strikes out as we finally see the 2nd out of the inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

5 earned runs today for Danny
ERA now at 7.36.

[Falls City Beer]

This place has filled up like a high school hallway during a chick fight.

[oneupper]

Boone strikes out as we finally see the 2nd out of the inning.

Boone hasn't exactly been a tough out this year.

[wally post]

If I were in charge of this ballclub, D'Angelo Jimenez would be playing Second Base today and would be hitting 7th in the lineup.

Miley and O'Brien created their own mess, so they really have no excuse.

(And I know you're not being argumentative.) :)

yeah, but I'd guess there is areason: to save their own butts!
Clueless - incompetent. I'm so afraid this is going to get worse. right now I'm hoping they leave Graves in to the very end of the inning. Does that make me sadistic?

[MWM]

He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

He's having a horrible May.

That's what happens when you carry your entire game in batting average. He should try laying off a pitch from time to time.

And BTW, his line in April was .295/.330/.557 for an OPS of .887. That hardly qualifies him as one of the best three in the game. Maybe top 20, but no better. In other words, he was hot for a couple of weeks and has doing nothing otherwise.

[SteelSD]

He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

He's having a horrible May.

Jason Lane ended April with a .330 OBP and a .887 OPS.

He's got a .388 OPS in May.

And here I thought all he needed was more playing time? ;)

[MWM]

It's a good thing the Indinans sacrifice bunted after the lead-off guy got on base.

[Matt700wlw]

ERA now at 7.36.

that's our closer.

[SteelSD]

Kearns is trying to hit an 8-Run HR right now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns strikes out looking.

[traderumor]

C'mon, the Indians are an offensive juggernaut. They had to erupt sooner or later. Graves was just unfortunate to be on the mound when it happened. He was trying.

Funniest thing is Hoard was just bragging him up, about how his sinker was back and he didn't remember how it felt. Guess it wasn't biting today.

[Raisor]

He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

.

An .887 OPS in April=one of the three best OFers in the NL?

Somehow, I doubt that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Larue singles.

[Reds Nd2]

If I were in charge of this ballclub, D'Angelo Jimenez would be playing Second Base today and would be hitting 7th in the lineup.

Miley and O'Brien created their own mess, so they really have no excuse.

(And I know you're not being argumentative.) :)

Yea', I still don't understand designating D'Lo. I have the feeling this may be the worst run organization in baseball right now.

I wonder if Graves can play 2B? It couldn't be worse than having him on the mound. Could it?

[Spring~Fields]

If they really wanted to make a statement, Graves would be gone. Go away, Danny, and don't come back.

And here you told me that Graves was not smoking the good stuff last year, are you still so sure? ;) Mr. Laid Back Graves........

[Eric_Davis]

That's what happens when you carry your entire game in batting average. He should try laying off a pitch from time to time.

And BTW, his line in April was .295/.330/.557 for an OPS of .887. That hardly qualifies him as one of the best three in the game. Maybe top 20, but no better. In other words, he was hot for a couple of weeks and has doing nothing otherwise.

In Baseball Weekly he was named to the first team outfield in the NL for April.

[SteelSD]

Cleveland Indians Bullpen 2004- 4.88 ERA, .794 OPS Against

Cleveland Indians Bullpen 2005- 2.41 ERA, .557 OPS Against

Well now...bullpen repair can happen- and quickly. Not by Dan O'Brien, mind you. But it can happen.

[Raisor]

In Baseball Weekly he was named to the first team outfield in the NL for April.

yippie?

[Reds Fanatic]

F. Lopez doubles.

[SteelSD]

In Baseball Weekly he was named to the first team outfield in the NL for April.

Actually reading Baseball Weekly would be your first mistake there. ;)

[WVRedsFan]

I guess the thing that really bothers me about the current condition of the Reds is there appears to be no one who sees any problems on this club. Lindner (can't spell) says, "that's baseball." Miley and O'Brien come up with generalities and then blame D'Angelo Jiminez for the losing streak. The players we have are just as bad. Casey and Graves, who seem to be team spokesmen, become critics of the other players and get called in for "advice" (I know this is fairly common, but those two wouldn't be on my list). Gullett is simply not quotable or just doesn't talk to the press.

So, we have a totally impossible situation that can only be cured by firing Miley, Gullett, and O'Brien. Then we need to rid ourselves of Casey (it pains me to say that because I like Sean), Graves, and anyone else we can get someone for (if indeed we can) and start over. Any lingering will just make it a longer time until we can legitimately win again.

Sorry, but I'm glad the fans are upset with Danny. It may send a message.

[Raisor]

For what it's worth, Lane was 6th in Runs Created for NL OFers in April.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess the thing that really bothers me about the current condition of the Reds is there appears to be no one who sees any problems on this club. Lindner (can't spell) says, "that's baseball." Miley and O'Brien come up with generalities and then blame D'Angelo Jiminez for the losing streak. The players we have are just as bad. Casey and Graves, who seem to be team spokesmen, become critics of the other players and get called in for "advice" (I know this is fairly common, but those two wouldn't be on my list). Gullett is simply not quotable or just doesn't talk to the press.

So, we have a totally impossible situation that can only be cured by firing Miley, Gullett, and O'Brien. Then we need to rid ourselves of Casey (it pains me to say that because I like Sean), Graves, and anyone else we can get someone for (if indeed we can) and start over. Any lingering will just make it a longer time until we can legitimately win again.

Sorry, but I'm glad the fans are upset with Danny. It may send a message.

Maybe Danny will feel so small he'll vanish

[SteelSD]

Yea', I still don't understand designating D'Lo. I have the feeling this may be the worst run organization in baseball right now.

I wonder if Graves can play 2B? It couldn't be worse than having him on the mound. Could it?

Personally I think it's the worst-run organization in all of professional sports.

[CincyRedsFan30]

The nightmare finally ends!

[Falls City Beer]

I guess the thing that really bothers me about the current condition of the Reds is there appears to be no one who sees any problems on this club. Lindner (can't spell) says, "that's baseball." Miley and O'Brien come up with generalities and then blame D'Angelo Jiminez for the losing streak. The players we have are just as bad. Casey and Graves, who seem to be team spokesmen, become critics of the other players and get called in for "advice" (I know this is fairly common, but those two wouldn't be on my list). Gullett is simply not quotable or just doesn't talk to the press.

So, we have a totally impossible situation that can only be cured by firing Miley, Gullett, and O'Brien. Then we need to rid ourselves of Casey (it pains me to say that because I like Sean), Graves, and anyone else we can get someone for (if indeed we can) and start over. Any lingering will just make it a longer time until we can legitimately win again.

Sorry, but I'm glad the fans are upset with Danny. It may send a message.

As my old man always said: as a law-abiding citizen, you've got three weapons: your pocketbook, your vote, and your voice.

Well, there are others, but you get the idea.

[Reds Nd2]

Personally I think it's the worst-run organization in all of professional sports.

:beerme:

[Matt700wlw]

Personally I think it's the worst-run organization in all of professional sports.

Mike Brown has finally given up his toilet! :clap:

[Eric_Davis]

yippie?

It is what it is. He was the best among NL outfielders in April.

[SteelSD]

It is what it is. He was the best among NL outfielders in April.

So was Juan Encarnacion.

And we all know how THAT'S going to work out.

[Eric_Davis]

For what it's worth, Lane was 6th in Runs Created for NL OFers in April.

That's a legitimate stat. It doesn't take away the fact that given consistent playing time, he has the ability to put up big numbers. He needs 600 AB's/year for a couple of years.

[LvJ]

:dancingco Classic Graves today.

[Raisor]

That's a legitimate stat. It doesn't take away the fact that given consistent playing time, he has the ability to put up big numbers. He needs 600 AB's/year for a couple of years.


If you add up all his Runs Created since the start of the 2002 season (59.9 RC) and divide that number by his total plate appearances (421) then multiply THAT number by 600 you get 85.36 Runs Created per 600 TPA.

That would have been good enough for 37th best ML OFer last season.

average at best.

[pedro]

So was Juan Encarnacion.

And we all know how THAT'S going to work out.

When Juan Encarnacion hit a grand slam on opening day vs. the Braves Skip Carey immediatley quipped "well I think it's safe to say it's downhill for Encarnacion from here on out"

[SteelSD]

That's a legitimate stat. It doesn't take away the fact that given consistent playing time, he has the ability to put up big numbers. He needs 600 AB's/year for a couple of years.

You'd be much better off to just say, "Yeah, he's not very good right now."

The more consistent his playing time gets, the worse he's become. Go figure.

And using your timeline, if Lane gets consistent AB for the next couple seasons, he might be really good by age 30 or 31. Yippee.

[KronoRed]

:dancingco Classic Graves today.

I read the box score and just said one thing

"Graves!"

;)