6-5 vs Rockies....no Freel AGAIN!!

[Matt700wlw]

Starting Lineups
No. Cincinnati Colorado
1 Felipe Lopez, SS Clint Barmes, SS
2 Joe Randa, 3B Luis A. Gonzalez, 2B
3 Sean Casey, 1B Todd Helton, 1B
4 Ken Griffey Jr., CF Preston Wilson, CF
5 Adam Dunn, LF Dustan Mohr, RF
6 Austin Kearns, RF Todd Greene, C
7 Rich Aurilia, 2B Garrett Atkins, 3B
8 Javier Valentin, C Cory Sullivan, LF
9 Brandon Claussen, P Jason Jennings, P

[Joseph]

:rolleyes:

[RosieRed]

I second what Joseph said.

:rolleyes:

[traderumor]

See, we want Miley to get a consistent lineup, he decides Rich Aurilia should be a regular :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[FlyingPig]

Is Miley afraid of Rich Aurilia?

:confused:

[SteelSD]

Today's over/under on wasted Outs by Miley:

3

[letsgojunior]

:angry:

[Reds Fanatic]

Unbelievable. I knew when Aurilia hit that home run last night there was no way he was not starting today.

[Edskin]

Baffling

[westofyou]

Freel was hurt last week, he could still be hurting (back) just a thought.

Or RA is Dave's long lost brother.

[Edskin]

Maybe Miley is just sticking to the old adage that,

"If I go down, I'm going down with a player that was suspiciously bulked up and was pretty good four years ago."

[Reds1]

Probably a combination of hurt and Aurilia hitting well the past few days.

[Matt700wlw]

If Freel's hurt, then I'm fine with Aurilia being in there....but that is where his role should stay....BACKUP

[RosieRed]

Is Freel hurt still? Wouldn't someone have mentioned it by now?

[Ravenlord]

and my random lineup this afternoon:

1B Valentin
CF Romano
P Claussen
RF Cruz
3B L. Lopez
SS F. Lopez
C Freel
LF Kearns
2B Aurilia

[RedsBaron]

Or RA is Dave's long lost brother.
I still think Aurilia is a Sith; maybe he told Miley: "I am your father. You cannot resist the Dark Side."

[flyer85]

Yesterday Chris said the 2B job was an open competition. Sit the guy with the .400+ OBP, makes sense to me.

[Larkin Fan]

What kind of dirt does Aurilia have on Miley anyway?

[traderumor]

I have been piling on Aurilia as much as the next guy, but isn't a bit much to be complaining because a guy is in the lineup who has hit home runs the last two games? Granted, its Coors, but so what? If it wasn't Aurilia, I think we'd be upset if he wasn't in the lineup.

[Matt700wlw]

Anyone seen that Maria Sharapova commercial about a camera or something?

Wow! :eek:

[Chip R]

Anyone seen that Maria Sharapova commercial about a camera or something?

Wow! :eek:
Yeah. Is that what it's about? :lol:

[Matt700wlw]

Yeah. Is that what it's about? :lol:

I think... ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Marty just said Ryan is out of the lineup because of trouble with his legs.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty just said Ryan is out of the lineup because of trouble with his legs.

I can live with that...

[flyer85]

Jennings has walked 40 already this year

[Aronchis]

Now Felipe swings the bat. Thanks Dave :bang:

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez and Randa both single. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

[Chip R]

Lopez and Randa both single. 1st and 2nd with no outs.Time to sacrifice. :lol:

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey walks. Bases loaded for Junior.

[Aronchis]

Nice to see Sean walking more than doing that Dirty Deeds stuff which was going on during April and the first half of May.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior hits it hard but lines out to 1st. 1 out.

[Chip R]

They got us right where they want us: Bases loaded.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks in a run. 1-0 Reds.

[SteelSD]

Dunn walked. Run Scored.

I'm counting that as two Sacrifice Flies btw.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[StillFunkyB]

A sac walk!!! ;)

[OnBaseMachine]

10 straight games with a walk for Dunn. Three away from his own team record.

[SteelSD]

By my count, Dunn now has 18 "SteelSD Sac Flies" this season.

Chew on THAT, Marty!

[SteelSD]

Kearns goes down swinging.

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia strikes out swinging. Bases loaded with no outs and the Reds get 1 run.

[SteelSD]

Aurilia K's swinging.

[Big Klu]

Austin Kearns looks lost up there. More like Paul Householder than Paul O'Neill.

WTG, Rich (a.k.a., Godfather)! :rolleyes:

[LvJ]

:bowrofl: g0 t34m.

[MWM]

That walk didn't help Dunn's BA with RISP.

[flyer85]

good example of not giving in with Jennings in the 1st

[letsgojunior]

I strongly dislike Aurilia.

Just sharin'

[Reds Fanatic]

Great running over the shoulder catch for Junior.

[Matt700wlw]

Vintage Griffey right there.... :griffey: :clap:


Who says he doesn't hustle? ;)

[MWM]

I'm watching the Twins-Yanks. It's the bottom of the 5th, the Twins ae down 2 with two outs and a guy on first and third. The count is 0-1 and Abernathy tries to bunt for a hit. It obviously is foul and now he's down 0-2. Silly!

[LvJ]

:dancingco Nice running catch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wilson doubles in a run. 1-1

[Reds Fanatic]

Mohr doubles in 2 runs. 3-1 Rockies.

[Matt700wlw]

This is about to get ugly :help:

[Aronchis]

Coors is setting up classically today.

[Big Klu]

I had a feeling when the Reds let the Rockies off the hook in the top of the inning that the lead wouldn't last long.

[Reds Fanatic]

I guess Mohr just doubled in 1 run. It is 2-1 Rockies after 1.

[letsgojunior]

I have a feeling this could be a 15-14 sort of game today

[Big Klu]

Isn't Michael Milken the junk-bond king?

[flyer85]

Isn't Michael Milken the junk-bond king?yes

[Big Klu]

That was quick.

[flyer85]

rocks aren't even having their pitcher bunt

[Falls City Beer]

I have the distinct sensation that whoever brings Jennings down from the mountain to pitch at sea level is going to be pleasantly, pleasantly surprised.

Probably the Cards. And he'll win 20.

[SteelSD]

And, as if FCB called for it...

BANG! HR- Casey. Reds lead 3-2

[Aronchis]

Somebody needs to tell Austin Midnight is about ready to strike.

[red-in-la]

Does anybody have an explanation as to why none of the players seem to be wearing that eye-shade stuff on their cheeks? Just wondered. It appears to be very bright at the game and many of the plyers appear to be squinting.

[Matt700wlw]

Does anybody have an explanation as to why none of the players seem to be wearing that eye-shade stuff on their cheeks? Just wondered. It appears to be very bright at the game and many of the plyers appear to be squinting.

Maybe they took it away, along with the chairs and the beer

[red-in-la]

Maybe they took it away, along with the chairs and the beer :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Kc61]

RBI single by Rich Aurilia gives Reds two run lead. Let's give him some credit for good play this series.

[westofyou]

Isn't Michael Milken the junk-bond king?

Yep... prostrate cancer and junk bonds work the same way, you get it in the...

[flyer85]

that pitch Sean just did the GIDP on was on the ground

[Patrick Bateman]

If Lopez breaks on that play, he probably scores. No excuse, in that situation, a runner can't sit on third as a DP is turned. You have to force the issue.

[Aronchis]

Miley has to pull Claussen the first sign he is tuckering out, though I figure he will wait much to long again.

[Matt700wlw]

John Allen with George and Chris...please enlighten me!

Thanks!

[Falls City Beer]

I'm convinced that John Allen loves to listen to the sound of this team's death rattle. That's why he prolongs these "announcements."

[BoydsOfSummer]

The mere turk-like presence of Allen hovering above them in the booth will spur them to victory today. Just watch.

[westofyou]

Mmmmmm..... the speech to win the shareholders faith.

Does Dave Miley know who Ossie Vitt is?

[westofyou]

Chris said that Dunn is not living up to his ability, amongst Milton and Wilson.

[membengal]

Chris said that Dunn is not living up to his ability, amongst Milton and Wilson.

Yes, he also listed Griffey too.

I threw something at the TV.

He didn't list Aurilia, btw.

Aurilia's weird hold over the FO and booth continues to both mystify and amaze.

[membengal]

Really, what a complete load of nothing that just was.

And the fundamental inability of Welsh and Grande to understand how Dunn has been successful so far this year also continues to both mystify and amaze.

[BoydsOfSummer]

What a joke. A tragically unfunny one.

[Aronchis]

Yes, he also listed Griffey too.

I threw something at the TV.

He didn't list Aurilia, btw.

Aurilia's weird hold over the FO and booth continues to both mystify and amaze.

Because Aurilia's is a man's man, he is the way MEN should be, a example so to speak. How could we part ways with that when all we have are little boys in their 20's and 30's?

[flyer85]

that ball was obviously foul

[BoydsOfSummer]

by at least a foot

[Matt700wlw]

That was the longest strike you'll ever see...

[RosieRed]

That John Allen segment was pure nonspeak.

I haven't been able to see much of the game, how's Claussen been looking?

[westofyou]

Yes, he also listed Griffey too.


Sean Casey vs RH's .289/.360/.372/.732

Dunn .280/.459/.653/1.111

Griffey .274/.340/.504/.844

[SteelSD]

And a HR follows the leadoff BB to Mohr and immediately follows Gullett's visit to the mound.

Someone needs to tie Gullett to the bench.

[Matt700wlw]

Claussen thrown back to back meatballs straight down the middle...one goes out, one almost does.


Pitch to contact :help:

[Aronchis]

Nah, that isn't pitch to contact, that is altitude. He is finished much like Harang.

[Patrick Bateman]

Claussen thrown back to back meatballs straight down the middle...one goes out, one almost does.


Pitch to contact :help:

The first pitch was actually down and in, probably a ball. Greene golfed it out.

Not every HR is a meatball. Major league hitters sometimes hit good pitches.

[Matt700wlw]

The first pitch was actually down and in, probably a ball. Greene golfed it out.

Not every HR is a meatball. Major league hitters sometimes hit good pitches.

I guess I mistook him for Milton...my fault :)

[Falls City Beer]

Ryan "what happened to my out pitch" Wagner throws kerosene.

[Kc61]

Really, what a complete load of nothing that just was.

And the fundamental inability of Welsh and Grande to understand how Dunn has been successful so far this year also continues to both mystify and amaze.

Don't be amazed. Some people don't subscribe to the OBP/OPS world and still believe that more traditional benchmarks are important. Dunn is hitting under .240, gets very few RBIS except on home runs, and strikes out a lot. Some baseball people think these things are important. And I think Dunn thinks they are important as he is obviously unhappy with his hitting.

I like Dunn and think he will eventually develop into a more consistent hitter. But people who are critical of him are not necessarily stupid.

[Falls City Beer]

Nah, that isn't pitch to contact, that is altitude. He is finished much like Harang.

This team's obviously not all that well conditioned. Other team's pitchers don't get gassed after 75 pitches and five innings (even at Coors).

[westofyou]

Don't be amazed. Some people don't subscribe to the OBP/OPS world and still believe that more traditional benchmarks are important.

True, he was second on the team in Runs scored in May (21) . That's traditional too.

[flyer85]

My grandma could've scored on that hit

Casey and the 3rd base coach should be shot. The RF even threw the ball into 2nd, conceding the run. Serve 'em right if they don't score.

Just realized Dunn got a RISP hit. Too bad it takes an XBH to score Sean from 2nd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn 2-3 walk

He hasn't had an XBH since he homered on May 27 vs the Pirates.

[Puffy]

Terrible at bat by Dunn. He doesn't single soft enough for Casey to score from second, and leaves it up to Kearns, et al.

Another "soft" at bat for Dunn...

[RedsBaron]

True, he was second on the team in Runs scored in May (21) . That's traditional too.
True, but traditionalists traditionally ;) give a higher value to RBI than to runs scored. I don't know why. If you check MVP voting over the years, a player who leads the league in RBI is much more likely to voted MVP than a player who leads in runs scored.

[SteelSD]

Don't be amazed. Some people don't subscribe to the OBP/OPS world and still believe that more traditional benchmarks are important. Dunn is hitting under .240, gets very few RBIS except on home runs, and strikes out a lot. Some baseball people think these things are important. And I think Dunn thinks they are important as he is obviously unhappy with his hitting.

I like Dunn and think he will eventually develop into a more consistent hitter. But people who are critical of him are not necessarily stupid.

Adam Dunn just singled with a Runner in Scoring Position.

No one scored.

Go figure.

BTW, Home Runs are base hits too. Just an FYI.

[Patrick Bateman]

My grandma could've scored on that hit

Casey and the 3rd base coach should be shot. The RF even threw the ball into 2nd, conceding the run. Serve 'em right if they don't score.

Casey got a late break becasue he held up to see if it was caught.

The ball went into second because the fielder knew Casey wasn't going anywhere, due to the late break.

[westofyou]

Dunn has as many walks as Griffey and Freel combined in 167 less at bats.

But not enough RBI's.

Life's funny.

[flyer85]

Casey got a late break becasue he held up to see if it was caught.

The ball went into second because the fielder knew Casey wasn't going anywhere, due to the late break.that ball was never close to being caught by anybody. Bad baserunning

[Kc61]

Adam Dunn just singled with a Runner in Scoring Position.

No one scored.

Go figure.

BTW, Home Runs are base hits too. Just an FYI.

So are singles, doubles, and triples. Walks aren't.

[Matt700wlw]

John Allen watching the game sitting next to that big blue Rocky mascot -- and some cute girl behind him.... :)

[SteelSD]

So are singles, doubles, and triples. Walks aren't.

Not sure what your point is considering that you're attempting to degrade Dunn's performance by minimizing the value of his power and plate discipline.

That's a pointless exercise.

[Super_Barry11]

Wow, that was super ugly. :thumbdown

[Patrick Bateman]

Seay faces 3 batters, they all get on, and he gets a Hold.

Neal gets a DP and a K and gets a blown save.

[Puffy]

Bases loaded and no outs again and only 1 run. Thats twice today.

[Aronchis]

This team's obviously not all that well conditioned. Other team's pitchers don't get gassed after 75 pitches and five innings (even at Coors).

Definitely agree. First Harang and now Claussen with QS on the horizen and both look washed up by the 6th, which is a trend. Also may explain fastball difficulties of some pitchers if they are not working out properly during the offseason.

[Kc61]

When Pena comes back I hope Kearns doesn't complain about some bench time. He is looking more and more like Chad Mottola.

[westofyou]

When Pena comes back I hope Kearns doesn't complain about some bench time. He is looking more and more like Chad Mottola.

Ouch.... this team is slugging only .406 against LH's Pena's bat would help that.

[Kc61]

Rockies go ahead by two against Wagner. Guess the Reds can't use Chris Booker who is now 4 and 0 with a sub 2 ERA pitching lights out in AAA relief. But that would take a 40 man roster move and all those guys are so precious.

[MWM]

Wagner never should been called up his first year. The first big-league action he should have seen should have been last September.

[RosieRed]

This all makes me sad.

[Patrick Bateman]

Wagner never should been called up his first year. The first big-league action he should have seen should have been last September.

May make some sense, other than the fact that's when he was pitching his best. He was lights out that year.

[Falls City Beer]

Two promising young players continue to underperform (Wagner/Kearns). Who wants to bet that those two turn it around with another club?

[SteelSD]

Live by the slider at home, die by the slider in Coors.

Ouch.

[westofyou]

Rockies as bad as they are have this line at home .322/.384/.502/.885

The Reds have a 5.95 road ERA.

Acid meet base.

[RFS62]

Live by the slider at home, die by the slider in Coors.

Ouch.


No kidding. Not much movement on his stuff today.

[Matt700wlw]

May make some sense, other than the fact that's when he was pitching his best. He was lights out that year.

Go figure. He's gone downhill under Don Gullett...yet the man still gets a free pass in this organization...

[CrackerJack]

But that would take a 40 man roster move and all those guys are so precious.

"Richie Aurillia, Ricky Stone, my precious..."

http://www.planet.nl/upload_mm/a/2/a/1988830976_1999997165_gollum_lotr_returnoftheking_ 337x253_newlinecinema.jpg

[Big Klu]

When Pena comes back I hope Kearns doesn't complain about some bench time. He is looking more and more like Chad Mottola.

Or, as I have said on a couple of occasions, less like Paul O'Neill and more like Paul Householder.

[Matt700wlw]

Lopez...no bunting and gets the job done

Live and learn, I guess...

[westofyou]

Or, as I have said on a couple of occasions, less like Paul O'Neill and more like Paul Householder.

Please.... Both Householder and Mottala had now power or OB skills.

Bernie Carbo is a better comp IMO.

[Kc61]

I think Wagner is just heavily overused. He should be used carefully. He should not pitch every day at Coors.

The Reds are so inept. They cut Graves, fine. But they did nothing to replace him. The bullpen consists of three guys, Mercker, Weathers and Wagner. The others pitch mop up (Keisler), or are very young and unready (Coffey) or are starting (Belisle until now) or are sitting and have no function on the team (Lizard). I guess there is also Stone.

They seem to be waiting for Hancock/Hudson. So they let game after game go by without addressing this. Against beatable competition.

[Chip R]

Marty calling for the bunt again and F. Lopez drives in a run with a base hit. Afther that happened Marty said Miley made the right decision in turning Felipe loose. :lol:

[Big Klu]

Please.... Both Householder and Mottala had now power or OB skills.

Bernie Carbo is a better comp IMO.

I'm not talking about skills. I'm talking about performance. I think that Kearns is a better player, but his performance right now hasn't been very good.

[westofyou]

Ode to George

Well, he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
Excitable boy, they all said
And he cheered the opposing team with all his best
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy

[Patrick Bateman]

Helton has robbed the Reds of 4 runs already today.

[westofyou]

I'm not talking about skills. I'm talking about performance. I think that Kearns isa better player, but his performance right now hasn't been very good.

Carbo tanked after a big breakout too.

[Super_Barry11]

Ode to George

Well, he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
Excitable boy, they all said
And he cheered the opposing team with all his best
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy

He seemed thrilled to tears when Helton caught that... :(

[Kc61]

Thought Lopez was safe at home.

[Big Klu]

True.

[SteelSD]

Helton has robbed the Reds of 4 runs already today.

And now Relaford robs the Reds of two more.

[Patrick Bateman]

Thought Lopez was safe at home.

He was. When a runner gets tagged up near the chest, and the catcher is standing at home plate, the foot has hit the bag before the tag.

[traderumor]

Thought Lopez was safe at home.Yes, the ump missed that one, home team got the call there.

[Reds Nd2]

He was.

I thought he was too, for what it's worth.

[Patrick Bateman]

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs and we hit 2 shots and don't score. And it took a bad call by the ump to ensure it.

[westofyou]

Mike Tyson's problems make the Reds problems seem lightweight.

[Chip R]

I guess Miley wouldn't want to argue there. :rolleyes:

[Big Klu]

You knew that one was gone.

[Reds Nd2]

Mike Tyson's problems make the Reds problems seem lightweight.

"Show me a hero and I'll wright you a tragedy", the Rich Aurilia Story.

[westofyou]

Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.

[SteelSD]

And Barmes hits one out.

Y'know, we can talk all we want about missed offensive opportunities, but the fact is that- thusfar- the Rockies have scored 27 Runs in this three game series.

You can play anywhere and not win with that kind of pitching.

[Reds Nd2]

Dunn's going to lead off in the 9th right?

[Tony Cloninger]

LOL.....can you imagine Mike Tyson managing this team.

"I will eat your first born Adam unless you hit a sacrifice fly."

He'd have Van Gohd everyone by now.


Well at least RA can play some defense at 2B.

[Big Klu]

"To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kinda scary. I've wondered where
this started, and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a
clown killed my dad."

[westofyou]

http://punkrockpenguin.net/thingies/clowns/clown14.jpg

[Tony Cloninger]

Well...at least the Yanks and Bravos both lost and are playing badly.

BUT the Marlins are really disappointing....2nd straight June swooning.

[RosieRed]

:(

[Eric_Davis]

Can you say overmatched?

If getting swept (quite easily, too) by the worse team in baseball doesn't get you fired, then nothing will.

Nice to know that REDS Management/ownership is so willing to tank seasons each and every year. I guess they get paid the same, win or lose.

[Matt700wlw]

Well....it really cannot get any worse now...may as well clean house

[SteelSD]

Reds announcers were harping on the team LOB numbers when signing off on the broadcast.

They

just

don't

get

it

[Big Klu]

And with the Turk in attendence....

http://www.redszone.com/forums/customavatars/avatar35_3.gif

[Falls City Beer]

I know things are dark right now, but I honestly think this team is playing below their potential. I think they are better than this and can improve their play. I think they need guidance.

[Matt700wlw]

June 5th, 2005: last place

June 5th, 2004: first place


Amazing what a difference a year makes...

[westofyou]

June 5th, 2005: last place

June 5th, 2004: first place


Amazing what a difference a year makes...


RS RA
258 255 - 6-5-04

262 321 - 6-5-05

[red-in-la]

I know things are dark right now, but I honestly think this team is playing below their potential. I think they are better than this and can improve their play. I think they need guidance.

GPS or dead-reckoning? :bang: :help:

[Mutaman]

"As I look over the different teams, this kind of thing goes with baseball".

[red-in-la]

RS RA
258 255 - 6-5-04

262 321 - 6-5-05

Well at least this year we don't have to argue about how they can be in 1st place with a poor run differential.

[KronoRed]

June 5th, 2005: last place

June 5th, 2004: first place


Amazing what a difference a year makes...

We just fell apart early this year ;)