Reds and O's Rubber Match (6-12-05)

[cReds1]

now this is the team we (the fans) have been waiting for.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin lines out to left. 1 out.

[Falls City Beer]

This is the offensive potential we all thought this team was capable on a regular basis....

"We all"?

I beg to differ.

[OnBaseMachine]

I vote that contact is good.

The Marlins, Giants, and A's disagree.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pena pinch hitting for Ortiz. After that one bad inning not a bad start for Ortiz.

[LvJ]

PINCH RUN FOR KELLY NOW! Hes too nervous to be running the bases. :runaway:

[TeamBoone]

I'll tell ya what... the visiting Zoners have seen some good games this weekend. I vote we keep them here for the rest of the season.

[traderumor]

With the Red Sox pitching problems that are about as bad as ours, this upcoming series could be real interesting if you like offensive baseball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pena strikes out. 2 outs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Pena swings at some crappy pitches. He really needs to work on that.

[TeamBoone]

OK, I'll be a "man" about it... go Kenny!!!!! Great move by Miley!!

Yes, I'm quoting myself. I was trying to redeem myself and you guys missed it!


Oops! Wrong quote. I corrected it.

[Falls City Beer]

With the Red Sox pitching problems that are about as bad as ours, this upcoming series could be real interesting if you like offensive baseball.

Yeah, Boston's pitching does blow corn. Should've given Pedro what he asked for, like I said.

[Matt700wlw]

I think I just found my new favorite golfer....



http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0506/10/gulbis.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez grounds out to short. 10-4 Reds after 7.

[Falls City Beer]

Reason #964,227 to like F. Lopez: He could have just gone up hacking in that situation, after the Reds had just tacked on three more to make it a laugher. But no, he goes up there and works an 8-pitch AB. Freaking. Awesome. Draft the contract for this kid. Now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wagner in to pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Newhan grounds out to the pitcher. 1 out.

[Aronchis]

What a waste and why I don't like Miley. Wagner shouldn't even be sniffing the mound today. Classic overuse.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mora strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Falls City Beer]

What a waste and why I don't like Miley. Wagner shouldn't even be sniffing the mound today. Classic overuse.

Huh? He didn't pitch yesterday.

[LvJ]

404 Todd Coffey not found :dunno:

[Reds Fanatic]

Tejada strikes out swinging. 10-4 Reds mid 8th.

[ochre]

...offensive baseball.
maybe the best description of the season thus far :)

[Aronchis]

Huh? He didn't pitch yesterday.

Doesn't matter, with a 6 run lead, Coffey or Belisle should be pitching today, not Wagner. Having 2 days off in a row isn't a crime, especially for somebody who is supposed to be in your top 3 relievers. When was the last time Weathers pitched?

[PuffyPig]

Doesn't matter, with a 6 run lead, Coffey or Belisle should be pitching today, not Wagner. Having 2 days off in a row isn't a crime, especially for somebody who is supposed to be in your top 3 relievers. When was the last time Weathers pitched?

Friday as well.

[ochre]

Doesn't matter, with a 6 run lead, Coffey or Belisle should be pitching today, not Wagner. Having 2 days off in a row isn't a crime, especially for somebody who is supposed to be in your top 3 relievers. When was the last time Weathers pitched?
weathers is the closer. Can't use him unless there is a save opp.

[LvJ]

9+ runs in 5 of the last 6 games.

10 games under .500 here we come! :dancingco

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[M2]

What's the official birthing order of the Baldwin brothers?

Daniel, Alec, Billy, James, Stephen?

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey grounds out. 2 outs.

[Caveat Emperor]

404 Todd Coffey not found :dunno:

He's been pitching well in his last few outings...maybe Coffey has gotten himself promoted from the 5+ run deficit/lead scrapyard?

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior singles to right. His 3rd hit of the day.

[PuffyPig]

What's the official birthing order of the Baldwin brothers?

Daniel, Alec, Billy, James, Stephen?

And to think they used to refer to Daniel as the "black sheep" of the family.

[redsfan30]

Junior with a 3-4 day today is getting very close to that .280 mark.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn grounds out to 2nd. 10-4 Reds after 8.

[LvJ]

Junior with a 3-4 day today is getting very close to that .280 mark. .281 ;)

[PuffyPig]

Junior with a 3-4 day today is getting very close to that .280 mark.

.281 to be exact.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior with a 3-4 day today is getting very close to that .280 mark. Junior is up to .281 now.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn has been swinging at an unusual amount of first pitches. I wish he would go back to the Dunn of April.

[LvJ]

He's been pitching well in his last few outings...maybe Coffey has gotten himself promoted from the 5+ run deficit/lead scrapyard? I dunno. He's given up 6 hits in his last 2.1 IP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Keisler in to pitch the 9th

[redsfan30]

.281 BA
11 Homeruns
43 RBI

All after basically being an automatic out the whole month of April.....that's pretty strong. I'm so happy for Junior!

[PuffyPig]

Oswalt has pitched 8 innings of 1 hit ball, with 74 (yes, 74 !) pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sosa singles to right.

[Falls City Beer]

.281 BA
11 Homeruns
43 RBI

All after basically being an automatic out the whole month of April.....that's pretty strong. I'm so happy for Junior!

Makes you think that with enough ABs, Kearns might have done the same.

[Reds Fanatic]

Palmeiro singles to right. 1st and 3rd with no outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Marrero singles. 10-5.

[Aronchis]

Makes you think that with enough ABs, Kearns might have done the same.

You are in big time denial about Kearns. He had 160+ bats and stunk the joint up. Simple as that.

[Falls City Beer]

Uh-oh.

[Falls City Beer]

You are in big time denial about Kearns. He had 160+ bats and stunk the joint up. Simple as that.

You called for the outright release of Claussen at season's beginning. Simple as that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gomez strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Gomez does Keisler a favor by chasing ball 4. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves the runners to 2nd and 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Surhoff grounds out to 2nd. 10-6. 2 outs. Runner on 3rd.

[Aronchis]

You called for the outright release of Claussen at season's beginning. Simple as that.

True, but he will have to do it consistantly to get on my good side, as with Kearns. Both guys have been disappointing in their Cincy careers and at least Brandon has a excuse.

[Falls City Beer]

True, but he will have to do it consistantly to get on my good side, as with Kearns. Both guys have been disappointing in their Cincy careers and at least Brandon has a excuse.

Yep, those shoulder injuries have never been known linger for several seasons *cough* Casey *cough*

[ochre]

True, but he will have to do it consistantly to get on my good side, as with Kearns. Both guys have been disappointing in their Cincy careers and at least Brandon has a excuse.
shoulder injuries can take a while to recover from. Casey was allowed to stink it up for a year and a half to "work through" it, why not give Kearns the same opportunity in a season lost?

[Falls City Beer]

shoulder injuries can take a while to recover from. Casey was allowed to stink it up for a year and a half to "work through" it, why not give Kearns the same opportunity in a season lost?

The man needs a kewpie.

[Reds Fanatic]

Roberts strikes out looking. Reds win 10-6 :beerme:

[ochre]

The man needs a kewpie.
careful, I'll go edit yours so it looks like I posted it first :)

[Caveat Emperor]

Reds win, and Tulane up 3-0 (and still batting) in the top of the 9th...

Life is good!

[LvJ]

:dancingco Nice to win a series against a powerful, AL, first place team.

[Joseph]

Nice homestand.

[Matt700wlw]

5-1 in the homestand.

Can't get much better than that.

[redsfan30]

With the exception of the outing against St. Louis, Brandon Claussen has been very good this year.

[Falls City Beer]

With the exception of the outing against St. Louis, Brandon Claussen has been very good this year.

He's had two bad outings; one a mile high in the air, the other against the best offense in the NL.

[redsfan30]

Keep this offense rolling like it is and we can go on a nice little run here.

[Aronchis]

shoulder injuries can take a while to recover from. Casey was allowed to stink it up for a year and a half to "work through" it, why not give Kearns the same opportunity in a season lost?

Casey had surgury in 2002 and was fully recovered by 2004. Kearns had his shoulder surgury in 2003 and still is "subpar" in 2005. I don't think Kearns shoulder injury is "lingering", I think a poor work ethic has not allowed him to recapture his mechanics with hitting post-shoulder unlike Casey who got back into shape. That is Austin's fault entirely. I would sure love Austin over free-swinging WMP, but not in his current condition. He has some work to do. Hopefully AAA will get it done for him.

[ochre]

:dancingco Nice to win a series against a powerful, AL, first place team.
Sitting there watching the Orioles trot their geriatrics out there on Friday night I couldn't help but wonder how they are going to maintain their pace this season. They have a good pythag so far, so maybe they are legit. I don't think they can hang that long though. Maybe if Bedard comes back from injury strong.

[Falls City Beer]

Sitting there watching the Orioles trot their geriatrics out there on Friday night I couldn't help but wonder how they are going to maintain their pace this season. They have a good pythag so far, so maybe they are legit. I don't think they can hang that long though. Maybe if Bedard comes back from injury strong.

Me either. House of cards, IMO.

[ochre]

Casey had surgury in 2002 and was fully recovered by 2004. Kearns had his shoulder surgury in 2003 and still is "subpar" in 2005. I don't think Kearns shoulder injury is "lingering", I think a poor work ethic has not allowed him to recapture his mechanics with hitting post-shoulder unlike Casey who got back into shape. That is Austin's fault entirely. I would sure love Austin over free-swinging WMP, but not in his current condition. He has some work to do. Hopefully AAA will get it done for him.
How many reps (ABs) did Casey get before "returning" to career norms?

[cReds1]

I think I just found my new favorite golfer....



http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0506/10/gulbis.jpg

I have met her in person at the LPGA tournament in Williamsburg, VA. I believe she is dating Big Ben. She did have somewhat of a TUDE, but wouldn't you if you looked like her.

[Falls City Beer]

How many reps (ABs) did Casey get before "returning" to career norms?

I suspect the point is moot. I'm sure Kearns is a goner either way (tanks or improves).

DanO's gonna choke the crap out this team till it's All Sweetness and Light in the clubhouse.

[PuffyPig]

He's had two bad outings; one a mile high in the air, the other against the best offense in the NL.

He faced the Reds????????

As of right now, we've tied the Cards in runs scored.

[Aronchis]

How many reps (ABs) did Casey get before "returning" to career norms?

It isn't the reps, it is the mechanics. They are a mess. He needs a "spring training" during the summer to recapture them. The lack of slugging may be due to a "lingering" shoulder, but the poor hitting isn't, especially with the talent Austin has to give.

[LvJ]

Sitting there watching the Orioles trot their geriatrics out there on Friday night I couldn't help but wonder how they are going to maintain their pace this season. They have a good pythag so far, so maybe they are legit. I don't think they can hang that long though. Maybe if Bedard comes back from injury strong. They need Bedard back.

[TeamBoone]

He's had two bad outings; one a mile high in the air, the other against the best offense in the NL.

I thought the Reds took over that spot after last night's game. Are you saying they didn't?

[Falls City Beer]

I thought the Reds took over that spot after last night's game. Are you saying they didn't?

No. I hadn't realized that they'd passed the Cards yet.

Good news.

[ochre]

and with the recent surge in offense, the Reds have still given up 34 more runs than they have scored this year.
RS: 319
RA: 353

So, while they just passed the Cards for Runs Scored, they have given up over 100 more runs than them.

[KronoRed]

Now..wonder how we will do vs the Red Sox ;)

[Falls City Beer]

and with the recent surge in offense, the Reds have still given up 34 more runs than they have scored this year.
RS: 319
RA: 353

So, while they just passed the Cards for Runs Scored, they have given up over 100 more runs than them.

With his "good" start today, Ortiz has lowered his season OPS Against to .971. Look out.

[Marc D]

Now..wonder how we will do vs the Red Sox ;)

Probably a lot better if we didn't have Milton pitching. Gotta feeling he'll be the one to bring the good times to a screeching halt. The thought of him grooving pitches to Boston's lineup at Fenway is just scary.

I say he gives up his usual 7 runs by the 5th inning with 3 HR's and they delay Tuesdays games for repairs on the Green Monster from all the other HR's that just didn't have enough height.

[DoogMinAmo]

and with the recent surge in offense, the Reds have still given up 34 more runs than they have scored this year.
RS: 319
RA: 353

So, while they just passed the Cards for Runs Scored, they have given up over 100 more runs than them.

What does that pythag out to?

[RFS62]

and with the recent surge in offense, the Reds have still given up 34 more runs than they have scored this year.
RS: 319
RA: 353

So, while they just passed the Cards for Runs Scored, they have given up over 100 more runs than them.


And yet many still blame the offense.

We're outscoring the mighty Cardinals, a team many consider the most potent offense in baseball.

Our pitching would have to make drastic improvements to only be putrid.

[traderumor]

What does that pythag out to?73-89

[Marc D]

The saddest part to me is that 39% (139) of those RA's belong to just Milton, Wilson and Ortiz.

As another Redszoner pointed out, Dan O's got more guts than brains. Guts are usually enough, but man oh man, this is one time a little more gray matter sure would have helped.

[Falls City Beer]

I just know everyone who's giving DanO the thumbs up for this Kearns demotion are going to be back on the bashing machine tomorrow night when the Reds will be calling on their 6th reliever by the 7th inning against the Sox. When Milton's character just can't stop runs from scoring like he'd hoped.

[Cedric]

I just know everyone who's giving DanO the thumbs up for this Kearns demotion are going to be back on the bashing machine tomorrow night when the Reds will be calling on their 6th reliever by the 7th inning against the Sox. When Milton's character just can't stop runs from scoring like he'd hoped.

I don't understand your point at all? So because we think DanO is inept we have to disagree with EVERY single one of his moves? People can be totally inept and still RARELY get things right. Usually I'm gonna side against DanO on moves, but not always and not just because.

[Falls City Beer]

I don't understand your point at all? So because we think DanO is inept we have to disagree with EVERY single one of his moves? People can be totally inept and still RARELY get things right. Usually I'm gonna side against DanO on moves, but not always and not just because.

Reitsma for Nelson was the right move. Signing Lidle was the right move. This is a wrong move, plain and simple, and done for the wrong reasons.

[TRF]

I just know everyone who's giving DanO the thumbs up for this Kearns demotion are going to be back on the bashing machine tomorrow night when the Reds will be calling on their 6th reliever by the 7th inning against the Sox. When Milton's character just can't stop runs from scoring like he'd hoped.

I agree with the demotion, just wish it extended to players beyond those selected by DanO. Milton should be on the chopping block, and anything north of three runs tomorrow should be off with his head time.

[Raisor]

With DanO and Miley involved, I don't think Kearns can get a fair shake on the major league team. For that reason, I'm alright with him playing everyday in AAA and getting 5 PA's a day.

Shine him up, get him someplace where he's away from this dopey front office.

[Falls City Beer]

With DanO and Miley involved, I don't think Kearns can get a fair shake on the major league team. For that reason, I'm alright with him playing everyday in AAA and getting 5 PA's a day.

Shine him up, get him someplace where he's away from this dopey front office.

You're right, Phil. This is really the truth. Same goes for Dunn.

I'd prefer the problem be removed (DanO, Miley) than the perceived problem (Kearns, DLo, the massage chair), but you can't always get what you want.

[TRF]

Chambliss schedules extra bp for a few guys scuffling a bit, and the only one that shows is Jr?

And in this case Miley/DanO are the problem?

Hey, i want to see those guys gone too, but that is showing up a coach. you don't do that. I'd bench Dunn's butt for a game too.

At some point the inmates need to stop running the asylum.

[Raisor]

You're right, Phil. This is really the truth. Same goes for Dunn.

I'd prefer the problem be removed (DanO, Miley) than the perceived problem (Kearns, DLo, the massage chair), but you can't always get what you want.


One good thing is I heard the massage chair got picked up by a company in Kalamazoo for their breakroom, so at least it's working.

[Falls City Beer]

Chambliss schedules extra bp for a few guys scuffling a bit, and the only one that shows is Jr?

And in this case Miley/DanO are the problem?

Hey, i want to see those guys gone too, but that is showing up a coach. you don't do that. I'd bench Dunn's butt for a game too.

At some point the inmates need to stop running the asylum.

Has this been verified? Seriously. Pardon me if I'm a little dubious of the veracity of this claim.

[TRF]

TC II's word is good enough for me. He's proven his credentials here enough times to take him at his word.

[Falls City Beer]

TC II's word is good enough for me. He's proven his credentials here enough times to take him at his word.

No disrespect, but it's not good enough for me. Ryan the Reds fan is the only "insider" who's been right enough for me to have any confidence in him.

[TRF]

TC has been right just as often, but his insight is better. He has press creds, has been on the field, and been seen by zoners there (i believe the teamsters can confirm this.) also he has been ver knowledgable on the inner goings on at L'ville and with the Florence Freedom. See his recently posted "stories" threads for more insight into the guy he is.

He doesn't need me to defend him... He wouldn't know me from Adam, but his insider info has been spot on when he cares to share it. In fact he posted a lot of stuff about Graves at the time of his DFA that made me respect the position he is in with regards to what he can post all the more.

[Falls City Beer]

TC has been right just as often, but his insight is better. He has press creds, has been on the field, and been seen by zoners there (i believe the teamsters can confirm this.) also he has been ver knowledgable on the inner goings on at L'ville and with the Florence Freedom. See his recently posted "stories" threads for more insight into the guy he is.

He doesn't need me to defend him... He wouldn't know me from Adam, but his insider info has been spot on when he cares to share it. In fact he posted a lot of stuff about Graves at the time of his DFA that made me respect the position he is in with regards to what he can post all the more.

Oh, I don't think he's lying maliciously, I just know that a lot of his "information" is very much processed through the subjective filter. Heck, Hal McCoy has a ton of access too but I totally disagree with many of his "takes" on things.

Now TCII isn't *sure*, about whether it was mandatory or not, "maybe, I think it was" isn't good enough for me. Just the facts, ma'am.

If you're going to make a serious accusation about Dunn's character, that he deliberately shirked his responsibility to show up for extra BP, then you better have a better idea than an "understanding," to quote TC II.

[TRF]

point taken, but considering Dunn's production is down, and Kearns has stunk all year, why was it Junior (the guy out hitting both of them) was the only one to show?