6/18/05 Game thread

[KronoRed]

Jun 18, 2005
ATLANTA AT CINCINNATI -- LINEUPS

ATLANTA CINCINNATI
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
Rafael Furcal SS .226 5 23 Ryan Freel 2B .288 2 9
Marcus Giles 2B .281 5 16 Felipe Lopez SS .303 11 39
Julio Franco 1B .260 3 12 Sean Casey 1B .314 3 30
Andruw Jones CF .255 18 41 Ken Griffey Jr CF .276 11 43
Andy Marte 3B .179 0 3 Joe Randa 3B .289 9 36
Brian Jordan RF .232 2 21 Adam Dunn LF .248 17 34
Johnny Estrada C .281 2 27 Wily Mo Pena RF .274 9 19
Kelly Johnson LF .170 3 10 Jason Larue C .232 5 23
Jorge Sosa RHP .000 0 0 Eric Milton LHP .217 1 2
(3-0, 2.79) (3-8, 7.97)

[Candy Cummings]

Adam's batting #6 even against a RHP...I can't fathom it.

[oneupper]

Adam's batting #6 even against a RHP...I can't fathom it.

Flip Casey and Dunn and its a really good lineup.

[LvJ]

:bowrofl: Miley

[TRF]

This man-love of Randa must stop.

[ochre]

Adam's batting #6 even against a RHP...I can't fathom it.
Cincinnati Reds: Bringing you the unfathomable, with a smile, since 2003!

[Newport Red]

Flip Casey and Dunn and its a really good lineup.

Dunn 2nd, Lopez 3rd and Casey 6th and I'd be happier.

[Kc61]

Lineup is fine, except for the ninth guy.

[OnBaseMachine]

Lineup is fine, except for the ninth guy.

In my opinion, no lineup with Dunn batting below 4th is fine.

[Matt700wlw]

Are we ready for the human launching pad?

[RBA]

Damn it! Miley needs to go! Dunn needs to bat higher than 6th.

I'll admit I talk more out of the side where the sun doesn't shine, but this is just retarded.

Please forgive me. I have been drinking. ;)

[LvJ]

Dunn on Real Reds. :dancingco

"To say I want to be an Astro, that's terrible"

"I'm happy! I'm always happy"

:dancingco

[RosieRed]

The Braves hit, what, five home runs last night?

Time for the line on Milton! I'll go with 3 HRs ... who's taking the over/under?

Let's toss out some final score predictions while we're at it. I'll say 8-4 Braves.

[KronoRed]

Horrible lineup, but with Milton..does it really matter? ;)

[ochre]

The Braves hit, what, five home runs last night?

Time for the line on Milton! I'll go with 3 HRs ... who's taking the over/under?

Let's toss out some final score predictions while we're at it. I'll say 8-4 Braves.
sign me up for the over.

My over/under prop:
games played with Pena in RF and Freel at 2B before one of them is out for the season due to a collision involving the two of them.
I'll go with 15 games to get the conversation started... :)

[KronoRed]

I'll guess 30 games, less if Freel goes to CF ;)

[OnBaseMachine]

The Braves hit, what, five home runs last night?

Time for the line on Milton! I'll go with 3 HRs ... who's taking the over/under?

Let's toss out some final score predictions while we're at it. I'll say 8-4 Braves.

4...Marte will hit his first career homer.

Reds lose 9-6.

[oneupper]

REDS 6-5
(wishful thinking gets the best of me every time)

ONLY 2 HR for Milton.

[KronoRed]

I have never lost a game thread, but Milton can crush that streak.

[SirFelixCat]

Hard to get excited about the team when your manager bats your best big bopper 6th, has no clue, and The Human Launching Pad is pitching. :hurl:

[Ravenlord]

Mr. Criminally Insane Lineup Maker

[Matt700wlw]

Good god...that Foul ball (luckily) was a goner....

[flyer85]

the migdet was spiining on that one

[Ravenlord]

lineup splits
Player vs. R current lineup spot
Freel 276/362/403 281/400/392
Lopez 331/374/583 310/375/570
Casey 293/354/381 311/368/417 (all but one AB in the third spot)
Griffey 283/344/506 278/324/549
Randa 303/378/509 222/222/222
Dunn 293/456/667 200/333/400
Pena 232/283/607 333/333/1333
LaRue 254/343/407 221/320/359

[KronoRed]

Thanks Raven..just makes this lineup even more horrid looking

[LINEDRIVER]

Welsh talking about Milton working on mechanics. By gosh, the season will be half over before you know it.

[KronoRed]

Teeing off on Milton so far, like the Red Sox game..expect those fly outs to go farther next time through.

[RosieRed]

Here's some completely unrelated-to-the-Reds (sort of) just-for-fun baseball tidbits:

Today, Darin Erstad GIDP in the 9th inning. It was the first double-play grounder in 269 at-bats this season for Erstad. Kevin Mench and Jim Edmonds are the only players now who have not grounded into one.

Also: Including last night's game, Mark Buerhle has pitched at least six innings in his last 42 starts. That's pretty good, IMO.

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

[KronoRed]

HR number 1.

[LvJ]

:laugh: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

[TeamCasey]

I just don't know if I can watch.

[flyer85]

that didn't take long/ The senior citizen gets one

[KronoRed]

I just don't know if I can watch.
TC we were looking for you, can you take the chainsaw down to Mileys office? :evil:

[RosieRed]

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

I second that!

[TeamCasey]

I just had a Seinfeld moment.

Milton!

[OnBaseMachine]

That Franco homer pushed Milton's era over 8. :eek:

[TRF]

Milton gives up a HR to Marcus Aurelius.

[flyer85]

Don't worry ... he's showing improvement

[SirFelixCat]

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST? WHY?

I don't even blame Milton anymore. I really honestly don't. Miley and O'brien are %&$^#( idiots. Plain and simple. There. I'm done now.

[Matt700wlw]

This game is a sellout!

:shocked:

[KronoRed]

Casey up with a man on 1st :help:

[RosieRed]

This game is a sellout!

:shocked:

How??!! :confused:

[KronoRed]

Did fox buy all the tickets? ;)

[SandyD]

sign me up for the over.

My over/under prop:
games played with Pena in RF and Freel at 2B before one of them is out for the season due to a collision involving the two of them.
I'll go with 15 games to get the conversation started... :)

back before he was traded to the Reds, Todd Walker was involved in a 3-way collision between Larry Walker, Todd Helton, and Todd Walker. T. Walker didn't get up right away.

[Matt700wlw]

How??!! :confused:

Must be some damn nice hats their giving out....

[KronoRed]

Freel steals 2nd so Casey can't double him off :clap:

[RosieRed]

Casey up with a man on 1st :help:

Freel erases Casey's chance of GIDP. :thumbup:

[LvJ]

How??!! :confused: Milton = Home Run Derby. It sells. :confused:

[Matt700wlw]

Milton = Home Run Derby. It sells. :confused:

Maybe the baseballs have autographs on them...

[KronoRed]

If not for the stolen base that's a double play

Just sayin ;)

[LvJ]

Maybe the baseballs have autographs on them...http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Etgao/mk_smiley1.gif

[SirFelixCat]

Maybe the baseballs have autographs on them...

That, Sir, is damn funny.


Nice job Case :clap:


Damn...just missed Jr.



Hey Matt, are you at work when you post during the games? And what is it you do, exactly, if you don't mind.

[KronoRed]

http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Etgao/mk_smiley1.gif
:laugh:

This guy rocks.

[LvJ]

:laugh:

This guy rocks. He needs a name. :(

[Matt700wlw]

That, Sir, is damn funny.


Nice job Case :clap:


Damn...just missed Jr.



Hey Matt, are you at work when you post during the games? And what is it you do, exactly, if you don't mind.

usually I am....during the game I don't do much except make sure eveything is up and running (so I have time to linger/post) and hit the breaks in between innings.

I put the pregame game show together, and the postgame there's things I have to do off the air (highlights, promos, etc.)...that's where most of the work is, and am usually logged off of here during then (or the site sits minimized at the bottom of the screen).

During the week I'm usually running Lance's show, so I'm on off and on, depending on what is going on
It's not a bad gig (a ton of hours, with very few days off -- which can get to me sometimes)

[LINEDRIVER]

If Milton gives up one earned run in the 2nd inning, his ERA will be at 8.00 on the season. Holy Cow!!! He's at 7.98 thru the 1st inning.

[westofyou]

It's not a bad gig (a ton of hours, with very few days off -- which can get to me sometimes)

Exactly why I left the business. (Film in my case)

[KronoRed]

He needs a name. :(

ninja man? ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Exactly why I left the business. (Film in my case)

I'm on a streak of 16 straight now....getting a little edgy (hurry up Thursday!!!!)

:)

[LvJ]

ninja man? ;) :ramonortiz:

[flyer85]

Milton would have to pitch 26 consecutive scoreless innings to get his ERA below 6

[westofyou]

If Milton gives up one earned run in the 2nd inning, his ERA will be at 8.00 on the season. Holy Cow!!! He's at 7.98 thru the 1st inning.

FYI

Runs Saved Above Average season Reds.

WORST



RSAA YEAR RSAA
1 Bill Phillips 1901 -42
2 Benny Frey 1935 -40
3 Si Johnson 1935 -36
4 Jose Acevedo 2004 -34
5 Herm Wehmeier 1950 -33
6 Jim O'Toole 1965 -31
T7 Herm Wehmeier 1952 -30
T7 Tony Cloninger 1969 -30
T9 Ryan Dempster 2003 -29
T9 Frank Pastore 1984 -29

Milton is was at -27 before his last start

Wilson -19

[LINEDRIVER]

I'd like too see what would happen if Milton would show some fire out there. He just seems too calm, too relaxed, too whatever happens happens. How 'bout getting PO'd and slamming the rosin bag down, etc? He just might find that missing 5 mph off his pitches.

[TRF]

It's not a bad gig (a ton of hours, with very few days off -- which can get to me sometimes)

That's why i left too... TV for me.

then when i think i'm out... they pull me back in.

[LINEDRIVER]

During the week I'm usually running Lance's show, so I'm on off and on, depending on what is going on
It's not a bad gig (a ton of hours, with very few days off -- which can get to me sometimes)

I have assumed many times that you are the "Matt" that Bill Cunningham refers to during his show on WLW. Is that right?

[Matt700wlw]

I have assumed many times that you are the "Matt" that Bill Cunningham refers to during his show on WLW. Is that right?

There's 2 Matt's here...but he'll mention me if I walk into the studio

[KronoRed]

People named Matt rock

Just saying

Dunn K's..a fly out would have been much better ;)

[Joseph]

2 days in a row he's managed to lay off some bad pitches and draw a walk.

[westofyou]

I'd like too see what would happen if Milton would show some fire out there. He just seems too calm, too relaxed, too whatever happens happens. How 'bout getting PO'd and slamming the rosin bag down, etc? He just might find that missing 5 mph off his pitches.

The Reds told Coffey to grow a gotee to look meaner and he did..... Milton should throw the ball and hit gapper like Tim Robbins hit the Bull

[westofyou]

LaRue is sporting some facial hair... WMP has his second walk in two days and then he steals 2nd!!

[westofyou]

WP on ball four moves Pena to 3rd as LaRue takes 1st.

[KronoRed]

Milton does have some power

[TRF]

WMP reades redszone.

that's the only explanation.

[westofyou]

Milton does have some power

Only when he's rolling a 16 sided dice and with an Elf

[Matt700wlw]

Milton is good at the plate whether it be hitting or bunting.


Ok..I found a compliment

[KronoRed]

Only when he's rolling a 16 sided dice and with an Elf
But it's power :D

[Redmachine2003]

anyone here any good with Winmix the p2p program it has been driving me crazy all day.

[KronoRed]

Franco homers again. 3-1 bad guys

[OnBaseMachine]

Franco again :laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

There's 2 (3rd ER)

[flyer85]

Julio has found the fountain of youth ... it's pitching on the GABP mound

[RosieRed]

And now his ERA is 8.04

[LvJ]

http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Etgao/mk_smiley1.gif

[westofyou]

George gets a little too excited for my taste.

[SteelSD]

And there we have HR #2 for the game.

[LvJ]

Is Milton the worst pitcher in the history of the game?

[TRF]

After Moses 2nd round tripper, he was given these Ten Commandments.

[KronoRed]

George gets a little too excited for my taste.
He just loves the other guys

[Patrick Bateman]

Is Milton the worst pitcher in the history of the game?

No.

[Marc D]

George gets a little too excited for my taste.

He and his buddy are getting almost unbearable.

[OnBaseMachine]

What excuse will DO and Miley use this time? He's still working on his mechanics? Josh Hancock's presence alone with make Milton better or he pitched better than his results show?

[SteelSD]

I'm just waiting for someone to show up and tell us that Milton is keeping the Reds in the game.

[Marc D]

Anyone catch how CW said the Reds are being tight lipped about the mechanics issue plauging Milton??

It's because they don't have a clue as to what the problem really is Chris.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm just waiting for someone to show up and tell us that Milton is keeping the Reds in the game.

Well, technically.....

...but it's early :)

[TRF]

Milton's Leadership And Veteran Presence Are The Glue That Binds This Team Together!

[Aronchis]

I remember Eric had that hard 94mph 4 seamer, now he reminds me of Aerosmith's "Dream On", just sad to watch. Manhood ripped away....................

[Ravenlord]

I'm just waiting for someone to show up and tell us that Milton is keeping the Reds in the game.Milton's only given up 3 runs to this point, with the kind of offense the Reds have (Dunn's strikeouts not withstanding), this should be an easy W for the Reds...i'm just disappointed Rich Aurilia isn't in there at short, we'll probably need his glove before it's over.

:rolleyes:



feel better? ;)

[westofyou]

Is Milton the worst pitcher in the history of the game?

No way.... Leo Sweetland was worse.

BTW Brad Radke has given up 19 HR's

All on my Fantasy Team.

[SteelSD]

Milton's only given up 3 runs to this point, with the kind of offense the Reds have (Dunn's strikeouts not withstanding), this should be an easy W for the Reds...i'm just disappointed Rich Aurilia isn't in there at short, we'll probably need his glove before it's over.

:rolleyes:



feel better? ;)

Not really. You don't count. ;)

But I am in Vegas and just placed a bet that Luis Lopez will be the first Reds pinch hitter off the bench. I'm gonna come home at least a hundredairre!!!

[LvJ]

No. Who has had an higher ERA in a single season with as many IP as Milton has had? He's gotta be close.

[LINEDRIVER]

you mean he's worse than ...... Jimmy Haynes????????????Holy Cow!

[westofyou]

Worst pitchers era vs the league 1000 IP


ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Jesse Jefferson -.92 4.81 3.89
2 Elmer Myers -.84 4.06 3.22
3 Jimmy Haynes -.84 5.37 4.54
4 Carl Scheib -.84 4.88 4.04
5 Herm Wehmeier -.82 4.80 3.97
6 Alex Ferguson -.82 4.90 4.09
7 Randy Lerch -.80 4.53 3.73
8 Brian Bohanon -.76 5.19 4.43
9 Jamey Wright -.74 5.08 4.34
10 Sammy Ellis -.70 4.15 3.45

[Chip R]

Dear Eric,

Please stop giving up home runs to guys older than dirt.

Thank you.

[LvJ]

Worst pitchers era vs the league 1000 IP


ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Jesse Jefferson -.92 4.81 3.89
2 Elmer Myers -.84 4.06 3.22
3 Jimmy Haynes -.84 5.37 4.54
4 Carl Scheib -.84 4.88 4.04
5 Herm Wehmeier -.82 4.80 3.97
6 Alex Ferguson -.82 4.90 4.09
7 Randy Lerch -.80 4.53 3.73
8 Brian Bohanon -.76 5.19 4.43
9 Jamey Wright -.74 5.08 4.34
10 Sammy Ellis -.70 4.15 3.45 What about single season?

[westofyou]

700 innings


ERA DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Leo Sweetland -1.73 6.11 4.37
2 Kevin Jarvis -1.57 5.93 4.37
3 Claude Willoughby -1.50 5.84 4.34
4 Jay Hook -1.46 5.22 3.76
5 Kevin Ritz -1.21 5.35 4.14
6 Mike Kekich -1.12 4.60 3.47
7 Billy Champion -1.05 4.68 3.63
8 Phil Ortega -1.03 4.42 3.39
9 Todd Van Poppel -1.01 5.58 4.57
10 Russ Van Atta -1.01 5.59 4.59

[westofyou]

season


ERA YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Leo Sweetland 1930 -2.74 7.71 4.97
2 Jim Deshaies 1994 -2.58 7.39 4.81
3 Ernie Wingard 1927 -2.45 6.58 4.13
4 Greg Harris 1994 -2.43 6.65 4.22
5 Jimmy Ring 1928 -2.41 6.40 3.99
6 Jack Lamabe 1964 -2.27 5.90 3.63
7 Rube Bressler 1915 -2.27 5.20 2.93
8 Chubby Dean 1940 -2.24 6.62 4.38
9 Jack Knott 1936 -2.24 7.27 5.04
10 George Caster 1940 -2.19 6.57 4.38

[KronoRed]

Sad I see Reds on each list :lol:

[Aronchis]

Eric's ERA is under 8 again!!!!!

[LvJ]

season


ERA YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Leo Sweetland 1930 -2.74 7.71 4.97
2 Jim Deshaies 1994 -2.58 7.39 4.81
3 Ernie Wingard 1927 -2.45 6.58 4.13
4 Greg Harris 1994 -2.43 6.65 4.22
5 Jimmy Ring 1928 -2.41 6.40 3.99
6 Jack Lamabe 1964 -2.27 5.90 3.63
7 Rube Bressler 1915 -2.27 5.20 2.93
8 Chubby Dean 1940 -2.24 6.62 4.38
9 Jack Knott 1936 -2.24 7.27 5.04
10 George Caster 1940 -2.19 6.57 4.38 Milton would/will top that list.

[westofyou]

The trick is starting all year to qualify, if Milton picthed all year like this as a starter then he'd OWN that record.

[OnBaseMachine]

Estrada bangs one off the wall. Almost homerun #3.

[flyer85]

I'm sure glad Milton is showing improvement

[KronoRed]

I'm sure glad Milton is showing improvement
It was a double not a homer at least ;)

[westofyou]

Sad I see Reds on each list :lol:

Yep, 2 JimBo guys.... oh and Dan O brought one who could have been tossed back too.

Yeeech....

[Matt700wlw]

A dinger is coming.....

[LvJ]

The trick is starting all year to qualify, if Milton picthed all year like this as a starter then he'd OWN that record. Unless his arm falls off, or Miley is fired, he'll get his chance.

[OnBaseMachine]

The pitcher singles after a Johnson walk.

Bases loaded, 1 out.

[flyer85]

start waving this game goodbye ... it is just about ready to be over.

[SteelSD]

Lost in the mess that is Milton's HR rate, that was the 26th Double allowed by Milton in 2005.

Only two active MLB pitchers have allowed 50 Doubles and 40 HR in the same season.

Can anyone name them?

[LINEDRIVER]

Unless his arm falls off, or Miley is fired, he'll get his chance.
I'm predicting that Miley and Gully get the axe at the All-Star break.

[flyer85]

Milton and Ortiz?

[Chip R]

I'm sure glad Milton is showing improvementAfter the game, Miley will be quoted as saying, "I think Eric showed improvement tonight. He's only giving up home runs now to guys who have their Golden Buckeye Cards."

[Newport Red]

Unless his arm falls off, or Miley is fired, he'll get his chance.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when DanO gets his mid-season review.

[guttle11]

Lost in the mess that is Milton's HR rate, that was the 26th Double allowed by Milton in 2005.

Only two active MLB pitchers have allowed 50 Doubles and 40 HR in the same season.

Can anyone name them?

Milton and Odalis Perez???

[LINEDRIVER]

Lost in the mess that is Milton's HR rate, that was the 26th Double allowed by Milton in 2005.

Only two active MLB pitchers have allowed 50 Doubles and 40 HR in the same season.

Can anyone name them?

Tom Browning and Jim Deshaies?

[KronoRed]

Dunn to lead off..again.

[SteelSD]

Milton and Ortiz?

You are correct. The two active MLB pitchers who've had season in which they've allowed 50 Doubles AND 40 HR are Eric Milton and Ramon Ortiz.

This was not a fact lost on me this offseason when O'Brien acquired these puds.

[westofyou]

Lost in the mess that is Milton's HR rate, that was the 26th Double allowed by Milton in 2005.

Only two active MLB pitchers have allowed 50 Doubles and 40 HR in the same season.

Can anyone name them?

Lima has to be one.

[RosieRed]

Lost in the mess that is Milton's HR rate, that was the 26th Double allowed by Milton in 2005.

I was just looking at his stats ... how about that 1.72 WHIP? And the .368 OBA? And 12+ H/9?

Wow.

[flyer85]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when DanO gets his mid-season review.John Allen - "Don't worry Dan, just some bad breaks. Who could've known that Milton, Wilson and Ortiz were all going to be crappy pitchers"

[westofyou]

Guess not.... Dan O thinks the Reds play in Redland Feld perhaps?

[LINEDRIVER]

Milton and Ortiz? wow
Sleepy and Crackhead

[westofyou]

I was just looking at his stats ... how about that 1.72 WHIP? And the .368 OBA? And 12+ H/9?

Wow.

But John Fay says we don't hit good with RISP

[LINEDRIVER]

John Allen - "Don't worry Dan, just some bad breaks. Who could've known that Milton, Wilson and Ortiz were all going to be crappy pitchers"

Dont forget Ben Weber.

[SteelSD]

Lima has to be one.

Actually, I missed Lima's 2000 season (52 Doubles, 48 HR). I stand corrected and the number now stands at 3 instead of two.

Good catch, sir.

[Aronchis]

Even though that Milton and Ortiz gave up alot of Homer's and Doubles their hard mid-90's four seamers they had on past reputation is why they were probably brought in unknownest to the brain trust the fastballs had gone flat. That helped cut down on hits and such so when they gave up a Johnson or tator, it didn't hurt to bad since they didn't have as many baserunners. Both now have lost the hard 4 seamers and they get rocked over and over again. In Ortiz's case, I think age may have caught up with him, with Milton, who knows. It could be a number of cases.

[flyer85]

Dont forget Ben Weber.Ben who? I've forgotten him already

[SteelSD]

I was just looking at his stats ... how about that 1.72 WHIP? And the .368 OBA? And 12+ H/9?

Wow.

Y'know what's weird? I use Mozilla and every time I type a player's name into the address bar, it brings up his espn.com player page automatically.

It's possible that Milton could leave tonight's game allowing a 1.000 OPS Against.

[westofyou]

Actually, I missed Lima's 2000 season (52 Doubles, 48 HR). I stand corrected and the number now stands at 3 instead of two.

Good catch, sir.

We should trade for him and market that fact.

[SteelSD]

We should trade for him and market that fact.

I agree. I mean, look at how many people show up to see a train wreck.

The Reds could make kajillions of dollars. Which is, I'm told, a lot.

[KronoRed]

I'd bean Franco

[Newport Red]

We should trade for him and market that fact.

to the opposing teams fans.

[Falls City Beer]

I'd bean Franco

On the bun, not the bean. :)

[flyer85]

#3

[KronoRed]

Jones homers

Hr 3.

[LINEDRIVER]

Milton, Ortiz, and Lima
The Poster Boys for
The Pitch To Contact Theory

[OnBaseMachine]

Another homer!

[LvJ]

:bowrofl:

[SteelSD]

LOL!

HR #3. Milton might get to the 40 mark before the night's out.

It's just insane how bad he is.

[RosieRed]

25th HR he's given up.

Amazing.

[jmcclain19]

wE haVe tHE bESt pItcHing EvAR

[KronoRed]

:bowrofl:
Don't laugh yerself to death ;)

[RFS62]

Boy that Milton, he's ... not ... good.

[flyer85]

25th HR he's given up.

Amazing.I'm sure he was worried he might fall behind record pace

[SteelSD]

Eric Milton scratches and claws to try to keep his ERA under 8.00.

That's just plain funny to me. You can't cry. You gotta laugh.

[Matt700wlw]

His body language says it all...

[Aronchis]

Not so amazing reading Eric's fastball velocity. He already gave up alot of homers before and now with that 4-5mph loss, he could give up 60 this year easy if he started the whole year plus a 8.00+ ERA.

[KronoRed]

May see Milton beg to be taken out of the rotation

[LINEDRIVER]

If I'm Miley and I want to possibly save may job, I pull Milton from the rotation.

This working on mechanics crap in mid-June is a joke.

[flyer85]

Not so amazing reading Eric's fastball velocity. He already gave up alot of homers before and now with that 4-5mph loss, he could give up 60 this year easy if he started the whole year plus a 8.00+ ERA.ortiz and Milton are making me wish for Acevedo of 2004.

[LvJ]

Don't laugh yerself to death ;) He's the worst pitcher of my generation. Gotta enjoy it. :dunno:

[flyer85]

If I'm Miley and I want to possibly save may job, I pull Milton from the rotation.

This working on mechanics crap in mid-June is a joke.I think Dave has been told Milton stays in the rotation.

[flyer85]

getting a pitcher maybe a tad too early, think Dave might take notes. Not, the Reds pen is so bad it doesn't matter.

[westofyou]

HOMERUNS YEAR HR IP
1 Bert Blyleven 1986 50 271.2
2 Jose Lima 2000 48 196.1
T3 Robin Roberts 1956 46 297
T3 Bert Blyleven 1987 46 267
5 Jamie Moyer 2004 44 202
T6 Pedro Ramos 1957 43 231
T6 Eric Milton 2004 43 201
8 Denny McLain 1966 42 264
T9 Phil Niekro 1979 41 342
T9 Robin Roberts 1955 41 305
T9 Rick Helling 1999 41 219.1

Milton 25 in 80 innings

Worst in 80 and under.


HOMERUNS YEAR HR IP
1 Scott Klingenbeck 1995 22 79.2
T2 Scott Aldred 1997 20 77.1
T2 Doug Waechter 2004 20 70.1
T4 Miguel Batista 2000 19 65.1
T4 Dave Fleming 1995 19 80
T4 Luke Prokopec 2002 19 71.2
T7 Darrel Akerfelds 1987 18 74.2
T7 Chris Fussell 2000 18 70
T7 Sean Bergman 2000 18 68
T7 Joe Magrane 1994 18 74
T7 Gabe White 2001 18 67.2
T7 John Wasdin 2004 18 65

[Chip R]

I wish Milton would flip a fan off so he could be designated for assignment too.

[LINEDRIVER]

I wish Milton would flip a fan off so he could be designated for assignment too.

Unfortunately, nothing seems to bother Milton. That's part of his problem, IMO.

[flyer85]

excellent patience

[westofyou]

Unfortunately, nothing seems to bother Milton. That's part of his problem, IMO.

His bum knee is what bothers him, effects his motion and keeps the ball up and in the future will be the end of a story at thanksgiving.

[Marc D]

I wish Milton would flip a fan off so he could be designated for assignment too.

If I lived in Cincy I guarantee I could get him to do it. RZ takes up the collection to get me behind the dugout for every home game and I'll have him acting like Kid Rock by the AS game.

[KronoRed]

Dunn to lead off

(is there an echo in here?)

[KronoRed]

Oh wait it's Randa..Whoops :D

[OnBaseMachine]

I can't wait to hear Miley and O'Brien say how much better Milton pitched tonight.

10 baserunners, 3 homeruns and 4 runs vs a Chipper-less lineup. Not impressed.

[westofyou]

Dunn to lead off

(is there an echo in here?)

ya mean slot five to lead off.

[LINEDRIVER]

I can't wait to hear Miley and O'Brien say how much better Milton pitched tonight.

10 baserunners, 3 homeruns and 4 runs vs a Chipper-less lineup. Not impressed.

Actually, he's pitched better than I expected. I was figuring on at least 6 earned runs after 6 innings.

[KronoRed]

Yeah slot 5..I'm so used to Dunn being in it ;)

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn chases ball 4. Still chasing that pitch down. I would rather see Dunn take 3 straight down the middle than chase that bad stuff.

[KronoRed]

Dunn chases ball 4. Still chasing that pitch down.
Almost Pena like.

[westofyou]

Dunn chases ball 4. Still chasing that pitch down.

No kidding, since mid may he's been doing that... it's his Kryptonite... that outside and away in the dirter.

[Matt700wlw]

Milton out...Wagner in

Milton better, but still nothing to write home about

[LINEDRIVER]

I think Dave has been told Milton stays in the rotation.

I guess we put up with Milton in the rotation until mid-September when he loses his 19th game? The 25 million dollar man losing 20 games is not going to be a pretty sight. lol

[Marc D]

HOMERUNS YEAR HR IP
1 Bert Blyleven 1986 50 271.2
2 Jose Lima 2000 48 196.1
T3 Robin Roberts 1956 46 297
T3 Bert Blyleven 1987 46 267
5 Jamie Moyer 2004 44 202
T6 Pedro Ramos 1957 43 231
T6 Eric Milton 2004 43 201
8 Denny McLain 1966 42 264
T9 Phil Niekro 1979 41 342
T9 Robin Roberts 1955 41 305
T9 Rick Helling 1999 41 219.1

Milton 25 in 80 innings

Worst in 80 and under.


HOMERUNS YEAR HR IP
1 Scott Klingenbeck 1995 22 79.2
T2 Scott Aldred 1997 20 77.1
T2 Doug Waechter 2004 20 70.1
T4 Miguel Batista 2000 19 65.1
T4 Dave Fleming 1995 19 80
T4 Luke Prokopec 2002 19 71.2
T7 Darrel Akerfelds 1987 18 74.2
T7 Chris Fussell 2000 18 70
T7 Sean Bergman 2000 18 68
T7 Joe Magrane 1994 18 74
T7 Gabe White 2001 18 67.2
T7 John Wasdin 2004 18 65

-If he gets his 200 IP he gives up 63 HR.
-If he somehow pitched 271 it would be 85 HR allowed.
-He only needs to pitch 160 innings to tie or 162 to break it at his current pace.
-He's tracking to break the record in 109.2 IP less than the current record holder.
-The lowest IP for anyone on that list is 196.


Thats just shocking.

[jmcclain19]

Milton better, but still nothing to write home about

Ahh, Milton pitching "better".

That's like being the skinny kid at fat camp isn't it Matt? ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Ahh, Milton pitching "better".

That's like being the skinny kid at fat camp isn't it Matt? ;)

Well.."better" will keep him in the rotation - this exactly what management needed to see....

[KronoRed]

Better? more like bad swings on the other side ;)

[westofyou]

FWIW "Competitive Fishing" is almost as ridiculous as SlamBall and Professional Dodge Ball.

[LvJ]

Milton's pitching today was horrible instead of atrocious. :ughmamoru

[SandyD]

-If he gets his 200 IP he gives up 63 HR.
-If he somehow pitched 271 it would be 85 HR allowed.
-He only needs to pitch 160 innings to tie or 162 to break it at his current pace.
-He's tracking to break the record in 109.2 IP less than the current record holder.
-The lowest IP for anyone on that list is 196.


Thats just shocking.

We need a thermometer chart to track his progress. And for Casey's GIDP. Could be fun. At some point, you just have to laugh.

[jmcclain19]

FWIW "Competitive Fishing" is almost as ridiculous as SlamBall and Professional Dodge Ball.

Who says Dodgeball isn't a sport

http://movies.apple.com/trailers/fox/dodgeball/images/trail_landing_r1c1.jpg

[KronoRed]

I'm tired of hearing how the Braves don't have the same money they had years ago and that we should feel sorry for them :runaway:

[Marc D]

Milton's facial expression reminds me of a fat kid in a dodge ball game. He just knows its coming.

[RosieRed]

Marty blah blah blah ... doesn't he realize Freel is just trying to help Casey avoid hitting into a Casey?

[KronoRed]

Freel stealing everything

[Matt700wlw]

The scrappy one is all over the place!

[ochre]

somebody tell Freel he can't score 3 runs by stealing bases. He makes an out there and that would be huge, with little impact on the final outcome whether he succeeds or not. Especially stealing third.

[SirFelixCat]

somebody tell Freel he can't score 3 runs by stealing bases. He makes an out there and that would be huge, with little impact on the final outcome whether he succeeds or not. Especially stealing third.

I agree 100%.



BUT



Seriously, at least he makes it exciting. I mean, with this pitching staff, manager, and GM, this team has no chance in the long run so to hell with impact. At least he makes the game somewhat enjoyable to watch, IMO. ;)

[KronoRed]

Dunn will lead off next inning, 3rd of his 4 at bats leading off.

[RosieRed]

somebody tell Freel he can't score 3 runs by stealing bases. He makes an out there and that would be huge, with little impact on the final outcome whether he succeeds or not. Especially stealing third.

Hey Freel! Ochre said to stop it. And he's a mod so you better listen or he'll ban you.

[LvJ]

Cute At Bats

[KronoRed]

Hey Freel! Ochre said to stop it. And he's a mod so you better listen or he'll ban you. :laugh:

Freel will never get rep points like that ;)

[KronoRed]

6-1 bad guys..another homer

[Matt700wlw]

They have to finish Milton's business...

[KronoRed]

We could be staring a 10 game losing streak right in the face.

[traderumor]

I really don't see any need to make some moves on this team. Hudson's going tomorrow, so we might be able to get a fuller picture of how good this team can be :bang:

[OnBaseMachine]

Marty just mentioned that Hall of Famer Don Sutton broke in as the Dodgers #4 starter behind Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale and Claude Osteen. Not a bad pitching staff eh?

Buy hey... we have Milton-Wilson-Ortiz!!!!!!

[westofyou]

Marty just mentioned that Hall of Famer Don Sutton broke in as the Dodgers #4 starter behind Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale and Claude Osteen. Not a bad pitching staff eh?

Buy hey... we have Milton-Wilson-Ortiz!!!!!!

Reds had Osteen... traded him.

[Newport Red]

We could be staring a 10 game losing streak right in the face.

Full of home games.
I just don't see this continuing without a scapegoat firing.
How high.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds had Osteen... traded him.

for who?

[oneupper]

Houston winning at KC. Reds are now putting some distance between us & the Astros...

(hey, why don't WE get to play the Royals?)..

[Matt700wlw]

Larue hurts himself...

[RosieRed]

Larue hurts himself...

Oh no. :(

[KronoRed]

Ouch.

[LINEDRIVER]

Marty just mentioned that Hall of Famer Don Sutton broke in as the Dodgers #4 starter behind Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale and Claude Osteen. Not a bad pitching staff eh?



Sutton broke in with LA in 1966, the last season for Koufax. In 1967, a young Bill Singer took Sandy's spot in the Dodgers rotation. The hard-throwing right-handed Singer went 12-8 with a 2.65 ERA in 204 innings.

[CTA513]

lol strike 3 looking.

[westofyou]

for who?

Traded by Cincinnati Reds to Washington Senators in exchange for cash and a player
to be named later (September 16, 1961); Cincinnati Reds received Dave Sisler
(November 28, 1961).

traded for Frank Howard... 1960's Adam Dunn

[Matt700wlw]

Traded by Cincinnati Reds to Washington Senators in exchange for cash and a player
to be named later (September 16, 1961); Cincinnati Reds received Dave Sisler
(November 28, 1961).

John and Carl were in charge then too? :D

[OnBaseMachine]

lol strike 3 looking.

I would rather see our hitters take a called third strike than strikeout on a bad pitch. With exception to double plays, there is nothing more frustrating to me than seeing a hitter chase a ball.

and thanks woy!

[KronoRed]

Nice play Lopez :clap: :clap:

[ochre]

That was a major league shortstop.

[LINEDRIVER]

As a Reds' fan, I'm proud of Lopez.

[Matt700wlw]

If the Reds could develop pitching the way can develop shortstops...they'd be a very good team.

[Chip R]

That was a major league shortstop.Yes sir. Wow! Call me crazy but I get the feeling the Reds are trying to bury Felipe. Hitting him 7th, talking about Machado like he's A-Rod, Jr., the Aurilia signing and giving him the SS spot out of ST.

[oneupper]

If the Reds could develop pitching the way can develop shortstops...they'd be a very good team.

I think Lopez developed DESPITE the REDS...kinda like puberty... just happened.

[OnBaseMachine]

Pirates just beat the Red Sox 2-0. First time the Sox have been shutout this season.

[oneupper]

Pirates just beat the Red Sox 2-0. First time the Sox have been shutout this season.

Take THAT David Wells!

[Matt700wlw]

I think Lopez developed DESPITE the REDS...kinda like puberty... just happened.

Will the pitching ever hit puberty?

[OnBaseMachine]

Mild sprained right knee for LaRue.

[KronoRed]

Lopez should never be moved from SS for Machado or Aurilia

Ever.

[oneupper]

Will the pitching ever hit puberty?

Can't...they've been FIXED!

[Kc61]

Reds struck out 10 times tonight and have about 80 more strikeouts on offense than any other team in the league. I know, it doesn't matter.

[oneupper]

10 hits+5 walks = 1 Run

Didn't see that coming.

[Newport Red]

Lopez should never be moved from SS for Machado or Aurilia

Ever.

Shut up.
You're trying to win games.

[Reds Fanatic]

6 straight losses by a combined score of 44-12. If that is not enough to get someone fired nothing ever will.

[KronoRed]

Shut up.
You're trying to win games.
Then have Aurilia pitch ;)

[jmcclain19]

http://www.offcenter.us/humor/MiltonMeter25.jpg

[oneupper]

6 straight losses by a combined score of 44-12. If that is not enough to get someone fired nothing ever will.


Just wait. It gets better. After the Braves tomorrow, the Reds head to St Louis. Ten is not out of the question.

[Matt700wlw]

Just wait. It gets better. After the Braves tomorrow, the Reds head to St Louis. Ten is not out of the question.

St. Louis comes here...but it won't matter

[ochre]

Yes sir. Wow! Call me crazy but I get the feeling the Reds are trying to bury Felipe. Hitting him 7th, talking about Machado like he's A-Rod, Jr., the Aurilia signing and giving him the SS spot out of ST.
I think he is seen as "tainted" due to who acquired him. I wonder if there is somebody that still works in the front office that was opposed to trading Dessens, or something? Its very bizarre to see their apparent attempts to marginalize him.

[KronoRed]

I think you're right Ochre, I think Dunn and Kearns and maybe even Pena get the same treatment, Bowden guys so they must be buried.

[oneupper]

St. Louis comes here...but it won't matter

You're right...more home games and then off to Cleveland.

[Aronchis]

I think you're right Ochre, I think Dunn and Kearns and maybe even Pena get the same treatment, Bowden guys so they must be buried.

Even? Kearns has gotten much better treatment than Pena would have without the contract. If Pena didn't have that contract stipulation........................

[ochre]

Even? Kearns has gotten much better treatment than Pena would have without the contract. If Pena didn't have that contract stipulation........................
pena has had trouble convincing people he would not embarrass the team on defense at the major league level. The jury is still out on that one.

[Matt700wlw]

Julio Franco said in the postgame he knew to swing at the first pitch from Milton because he ALWAYS throws a fastball....

[Gainesville Red]

On the Braves Radio broadcast when Franco hit his second, the braves radio guy said, "And Father Time has found the Fountain of Youth on the banks of the Ohio River."

Edit: After reading some of the gamethread, I also think it sucks how much the FO hypes Machado. It's like, hey guys, you know we've got a pretty good shortstop right now. From what I've seen and heard, which honestly isn't a lot so I could be wrong, Machado's got nuthin.

[Patrick Bateman]

Edit: After reading some of the gamethread, I also think it sucks how much the FO hypes Machado. It's like, hey guys, you know we've got a pretty good shortstop right now. From what I've seen and heard, which honestly isn't a lot so I could be wrong, Machado's got nuthin.

Machado will likely be a better version of Castro but with better speed and some potential. He has a good glove and has better range. Machado has lots of speed and if he can get on base should be able to steal some bases.

His best skill is that he can walk. Unfortunatley he can't hit at all and has little power. If he can start hitting about 250-270 he should be a pretty solid backup infielder.

[OnBaseMachine]

Off topic--They should change the name of Reds Live to "Dunn bashing zone." :bash:

[Patrick Bateman]

Off topic--They should change the name of Reds Live to "Dunn bashing zone." :bash:

Yeah no kidding it's getting kind of ridiculous over there.

[creek14]

So I went to that train wreck last night. Silly me, I really thought they were going to win. Why? Cause things were different in the dugout before the game. Yeah I know, the game isn't played in the dugout. But the past few games I have been to the pregame dugout more resembled a morgue. Last night guys were high fiving and hugging (guess who) and they looked really pumped up. Jr came up behind Freel and bear hugged him and lifted him off the ground. Sean hugged everyone. WMP was hugging and butt slapping a few guys. Adam would throw pieces of ice at the bull pen guys as they started their walk across the field, then when they turned to look to see who had thrown it, he would point at whoever was standing near by. Larue gave some butt slaps (you know, the more I think about it, the more I wish I had been in the dugout). It just seemed like a group of guys who were ready to go out and win.

Of course then they went out and left RISP innings 2 - 9.

And Milton. Ugh. How sad is it when he *only* gives up 3 HRs? He wears me out. Every AB is a struggle for him. He just labors through every pitch - as soon as he gives up a HR. Of course, that came early last night. I think he needs a sports psych. His mound presence really chages after that first ball flies out of the park.

Dunn's stance looks a bit more closed. Of couse it didn't help him much last night.

WMP is clueless in RF (and at the plate right now). His first movement off the ball is always wrong.

I watched A Jones in center for the Braves and just wanted to cry. That guy can cover some real estate and his first jump is always right.

Oh and for those who are interested - Jason has had his hair re-highlighted (frosted for Raisor).

[membengal]

Most disheartening thing (as usual) is reading the post-game comments in the paper the next morning. Turns out Milton was just fine! 4 runs in 6 innings is swell!

What an improvement!

[Marc D]

Most disheartening thing (as usual) is reading the post-game comments in the paper the next morning. Turns out Milton was just fine! 4 runs in 6 innings is swell!

What an improvement!

Het, they didn't lie, it lowerd his ERA. :(