Reds vs. Cards - 6/20 Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

ST LOUIS AT CINCINNATI -- LINEUPS


ST LOUIS CINCINNATI
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
David Eckstein SS .298 2 21 Felipe Lopez SS .295 11 39
Abraham Nunez 2B .295 4 17 Rich Aurilia 2B .248 6 23
Albert Pujols 1B .332 17 56 Sean Casey 1B .322 3 31
Larry Walker RF .253 7 28 Ken Griffey Jr CF .278 12 46
Reggie Sanders LF .282 13 33 Joe Randa 3B .289 10 37
Scott Rolen 3B .257 5 20 Adam Dunn LF .247 18 37
So Taguchi CF .252 2 13 Wily Mo Pena RF .283 9 21
Yadier Molina C .246 2 20 Jason Larue C .247 5 23
Chris Carpenter RHP .071 0 0 Aaron Harang RHP .032 0 1
(9-4, 3.17) (4-5, 3.86)

[Matt700wlw]

Edmonds is out for the series...

[KronoRed]

This lineup is not logical.

[missionhockey21]

Everytime Rich Aurilia bats second, my baseball soul dies a little bit. :(

[Matt700wlw]

Walker scratched. Sanders moves up to 4th, Mabry comes in for Walker and bats 5th, and will play RF

[pahster]

Nice. Marty just said on the Cardinal's pregame show that the offense is a major part of the problem with this team.

[PuffyPig]

Everytime Rich Aurilia bats second, my baseball soul dies a little bit. :(

I generally agree, but that 1169 OPS in June indicates that we could ride his hot streak for a bit. Now, Miley would put him there (and has) when he was ice cold, but, for now, Miley gets a pass.

[CrackerJack]

Nice. Marty just said on the Cardinal's pregame show that the offense is a major part of the problem with this team.

The good ole' boy network protecting Mr. Gullett and/or Miley maybe?

[SteelSD]

Everytime Rich Aurilia bats second, my baseball soul dies a little bit. :(

Dear Mr. Dave Miley,

Every time you bat Aurilia in the 2-slot in the lineup, God kills a kitten.

Please think of the kittens next time.

Thankyousomuch,

SteelSD
Reds Fan and benefactor of cute fuzzy helpless little felines everywhere

http://www.geocities.com/mrsb1962/kittenpics01/mel07.jpg

8 Kittens like this one have perished for the sins of Dave Miley. How many are next?

[Newport Red]

Everytime Rich Aurilia bats second, my baseball soul dies a little bit. :(

:) :) :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Here are the updated lineups.


ST LOUIS AT CINCINNATI -- REVISED LINEUPS
ST LOUIS CINCINNATI
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
David Eckstein SS .298 2 21 Felipe Lopez SS .295 11 39
Abraham Nunez 2B .295 4 17 Rich Aurilia 2B .248 6 23
Albert Pujols 1B .332 17 56 Sean Casey 1B .322 3 31
Reggie Sanders LF .282 13 33 Ken Griffey Jr CF .278 12 46
John Mabry RF .270 4 20 Joe Randa 3B .289 10 37
Scott Rolen 3B .257 5 20 Adam Dunn LF .247 18 37
So Taguchi CF .252 2 13 Wily Mo Pena RF .283 9 21
Yadier Molina C .246 2 20 Jason Larue C .247 5 23
Chris Carpenter RHP .071 0 0 Aaron Harang RHP .032 0 1
(9-4, 3.17) (4-5, 3.86)

[Patrick Bateman]

I generally agree, but that 1169 OPS in June indicates that we could ride his hot streak for a bit. Now, Miley would put him there (and has) when he was ice cold, but, for now, Miley gets a pass.

I tend to agree with you there. Normally Aurillia at second is horrendous, but lately he has crushed the ball including a really good game yesterday where he had 5 good at-bats.

[TC81190]

Joe...Randa..batting...in front of ADAM DUNN! :angry: :bang:

[wheels]

Why hasn't Freel been playing lately?

Is he hurt?

:bang: :bang:

[Reds Fanatic]

Eckstein lines a hit off Lopez's glove to lead off.

[Patrick Bateman]

Joe...Randa..batting...in front of ADAM DUNN! :angry: :bang:

Well they are doing it to break up the lefties but I really disagree with the way they are doing it.

[Reds Fanatic]

This is not starting well. Nunez lines a hit to left. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

[KronoRed]

Setting up a triple play

[Reds Fanatic]

Pujols walks. Bases loaded with no outs.

[flyer85]

Nice. Marty just said on the Cardinal's pregame show that the offense is a major part of the problem with this team.that's why the braves scored 8 and lost

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanders flies out to right. 1 out.

[Joseph]

Finally an out. And even with it Grande finds a way to compliment the Cards.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mabry strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Joseph]

Harang for Cy Young.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen grounds out to Randa. Good job by Harang to get out of that with no runs scoring.

[Patrick Bateman]

He gets out of it some how.

[CTA513]

holy cow Harang got out of a BIG jam.

[pahster]

That was scary.

[rdiersin]

Great job by Harang to get out of the inning.

[Az Red]

Good recovery from a sloppy start.

[DoogMinAmo]

30 pitch first inning. Here is to hoping the next 6 will be a lot easier.

[RosieRed]

I tend to agree with you there. Normally Aurillia at second is horrendous, but lately he has crushed the ball including a really good game yesterday where he had 5 good at-bats.

Generally a good game gets you benched in these parts. ;)

Wheels: Freel has something wrong with his toe(s).

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez grounds out to 3rd.
Aurilia grounds out to short.
Casey grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 after 1.

[KronoRed]

Finally an out. And even with it Grande finds a way to compliment the Cards.

He loves them :eek:

[rdiersin]

Lopez grounds out to 3rd.
Aurilia grounds out to short.
Casey grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 after 1.

So does that mean Jr is going to ground out to 1st?

[Raisor]

Wheels: Freel has something wrong with his toe(s).

I heard he has 12 toes, just like Linda Cohn.

[Chip R]

Generally a good game gets you benched in these parts. ;)

Hopefully some team will give us something for him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Taguchi grounds out to short. Good play by Lopez.

[Reds Fanatic]

Molina grounds out to short.
Carpentar strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[KronoRed]

Can't trade Randa or Aurilia, Miley would go insane without them in the 2-4 spot ;)

[Az Red]

Harang has either regained his focus or its just a weak bottom of the order.

[DoogMinAmo]

9 pitch inning for Harang. Nice job against the bottom of the order, hope it continues.

[pahster]

I just heard one of the Cardinals announcers say Selig wants to use the DH in NL parks during interleague games next year. I hope that's not true.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

I just heard one of the Cardinals announcers say Selig wants to use the DH in NL parks during interleague games next year. I hope that's not true.

So would pitchers bat in AL parks? If not that would be a VERY disturbing sign.

[KronoRed]

I just heard one of the Cardinals announcers say Selig wants to use the DH in NL parks during interleague games next year. I hope that's not true.
:rant:

OUTLAW THE DH!

[Reds Fanatic]

I just heard one of the Cardinals announcers say Selig wants to use the DH in NL parks during interleague games next year. I hope that's not true. I have heard the same thing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior pops out to 2nd.
Randa singles.

[KronoRed]

So would pitchers bat in AL parks? If not that would be a VERY disturbing sign.
I never knew Bud was such a DH fan, I thought it was the players union who was so in love with keeping players around who can't play D

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to right. 2 outs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn just missed that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pena grounds into a fielder's choice. 0-0 after 2.

[KronoRed]

That would have been a sac fly if Randa had been a team player and gotten to 3rd

[CTA513]

That would have been a sac fly if Randa had been a team player and gotten to 3rd

lol

[DoogMinAmo]

Whats the over under on RS today: 5 runs

St. Louis: under
Reds: over

[Reds Fanatic]

Eckstein lines out to right.
Nunez grounds out to 3rd.
Pujols singles to left.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sanders doubles to left center. 1-0 Cards.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mabry strikes out swinging. 1-0 Cards mid 3rd.

[RosieRed]

OMG, is anyone listening on the radio? That was the cutest kid announcer I have ever heard. :lol:

[rdiersin]

OMG, is anyone listening on the radio? That was the cutest kid announcer I have ever heard. :lol:

Yea, that was pretty funny. ruuuuuueee, he kinda got stuck with the La. Thats a toughie for a little kid.

[Reds Fanatic]

Larue grounds out to 3rd.
Harang grounds out to 1st.
Lopez walks.

[Az Red]

Send Lopez or not... you decide...

I say send him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia strikes out swinging. 1-0 Cards after 3.

[Az Red]

Oh, well, a lot of good it would have done.

[rdiersin]

Gotta love those contact hitters batting 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen grounds out to short.
Taguchi flies out to right.
Molina singles.
Carpentar strikes out swinging. 1-0 Cards mid 4th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey grounds out to 1st.
Junior grounds out to 1st.
Randa flies out to center. 1-0 Cards after 4.

[westofyou]

Is George Grande from this century?

He's so cheesy I'm getting a wicked phelgm buildup just listening to him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Eckstein walks.
Nunez hits a soft line drive double play 6-3. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pujols walks.
Sanders the Reds killer strikes again. 2 run HR. 3-0 Cards.

[DoogMinAmo]

Why is it former Reds always come back to kill them?

[Reds Fanatic]

Mabry pops out to 2nd. 3-0 Cards mid 5th.

[Patrick Bateman]

What's with Grandes' and Welche's obsession with Sanders. It's painful to listen to.

[CTA513]

Reds are pretty much out of this one.

[Big Klu]

What's with Grandes' and Welche's obsession with Sanders. It's painful to listen to.

It's only because Jim Edmonds, a.k.a. "The Jim Brown of Baseball", is not in the lineup tonight.

[DoogMinAmo]

Pena flat out foolish on that K.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging.
Pena strikes out swinging.
Larue strikes out swinging. 3-0 Cards after 5.

[CTA513]

Reds are pretty much out of this one.

:thumbup:

[Kc61]

Dunn, Pena and Larue, as one might expect, all strikeout that inning. I know, strikeouts don't matter.

[Patrick Bateman]

It's only because Jim Edmonds, a.k.a. "The Jim Brown of Baseball", is not in the lineup tonight.

Yeah I guess their man love has to be deflected on somebody.

[Patrick Bateman]

:thumbup:

I know you are probably right but why do you seem gleeful about it?

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen grounds out to short.
Taguchi grounds out to short.
Molina grounds out to 2nd. 3-0 Cards mid 6th.

[DoogMinAmo]

It seems like Harang is working on his secondary pitches on the bottom of the order, but he still manages to cruise through it. If only Reggies Sanders didn't take this game so personally, it would be a lot closer.

[RosieRed]

The Reds are getting one-hit. I do not like that.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

The Reds are getting one-hit. I do not like that.

For the second time in less than a week.

[DoogMinAmo]

The Reds are getting one-hit. I do not like that.

It is still early ;)

[GAC]

Pitching wins. ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang strikes out swinging.
Lopez grounds out to 2nd.
Aurilia is robbed of a HR by Taguchi in center. 3-0 Cards after 6.

[pahster]

Great play by Taguchi.

[pedro]

taguchi steals a HR from RA.! nice catch.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Aurilia gets robbed of a HR.

The Cardinals are usually good for at least one HR rob of the Reds per series. It's almost not fair anymore. :bang:

[Patrick Bateman]

Will somebody tell Grande too shut the %$#@ up!

[guttle11]

taguchi with a WEB GEM :clap:

HE GOT IT, HE GOT IT!!!! says George :bang:

[RosieRed]

Who needs Edmonds when there's Taguchi out there?

[CTA513]

Carpenter at 72 pitches after 6 innings, He should have a complete game unless the Reds take some pitches.

[traderumor]

When they give Miley and O'Brien their pink slips, can they slip in and do the same for Welsh and Grande?

[Cedric]

Grande is an embarrasment. He doesn't change his tone of voice and he really is happy about the play I think.

[Reds Fanatic]

Carpenter strikes out looking.
Eckstein triples off Pena's glove.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

taguchi with a WEB GEM :clap:

HE GOT IT, HE GOT IT!!!! says George :bang:

Does Grande realize that the overwhelming majority of his viewing audience isn't excited and overjoyed when the opposition (particularly the Cardinals) do something like that against the Reds? Who, exactly, does he think is watching these games? I don't care how great of a catch it was...it's upsetting, annoying and frustrating when that constantly happens against the Reds.

[guttle11]

honestly, How many times will Wily Mo DROP a freakin' ball :rant2:

[flyer85]

looked like WMP whiffed that catch

[westofyou]

I've yet to see the IF being brought in work for the Reds this year.

[RosieRed]

I missed the WMP (mis)play, can someone tell me what happened?

[guttle11]

spell it with me now Wily Mo, s-l-i-d-i-n-g c-a-t-c-h-


and Rich cant get one either

[Reds Fanatic]

Nunez singles. 4-0 Cards.

[Newport Red]

When they give Miley and O'Brien their pink slips, can they slip in and do the same for Welsh and Grande?

Watch it mister.
Grande is an ESPN original.
Next, you'll want to ban "Video Killed the Radio Star."

[Reds Fanatic]

I've yet to see the IF being brought in work for the Reds this year. Every time Miley does it it leads to hits and runs. You would think eventually he would learn but it is Miley we are talking about.

[CTA513]

I didnt get to see were Pena was playing, but I bet he was playing more towards right center like he always does.

[guttle11]

ball hit to WMP, he runs in and tries to basket it, ball hits front of his glove, goes by him

[Reds Fanatic]

I missed the WMP (mis)play, can someone tell me what happened? Pena basically circled around a line drive and it hit off the top of his glove. He might have caught it with a dive.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wagner comes in. Pujols homers. 6-0 Cards. :bang:

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Pujols continues his ownership of Reds pitching.

[RosieRed]

Pena basically circled around a line drive and it hit off the top of his glove. He might have caught it with a dive.

Thanks. :)

Was it a ball he should have caught, or just one he maybe could have caught?

[CTA513]

GAME OVER!
Harang gets charged with the runner on base and now his ERA is 4.08

[Falls City Beer]

Can someone explain to me why Ryan Wagner isn't in AAA? He's not helping, and he's only getting shellshock. Before long, he'll Reith.

[rdiersin]

If the Reds do end up firing Gullett, they should bring in Wagners old pitching coach from Houston. He's the only one that seems to be able to get his mechanics where they need to be.

[traderumor]

Pujols continues his ownership of Reds pitching.The entire major leagues owns Reds pitching.

[CTA513]

Wagner went from being the setup man to pitching when ever they need someone.

:/

[RosieRed]

Pujols continues his ownership of Reds pitching.

His line so far: 2-for-2, 3 runs scored, 2RBI, 2BB.

[Reds Fanatic]

Thanks. :)

Was it a ball he should have caught, or just one he maybe could have caught? It wasn't the easiest play but a lot of right fielder's would slide and make the catch or make a better effort than Pena did.

[Matt700wlw]

If the Reds do end up firing Gullett, they should bring in Wagners old pitching coach from Houston. He's the only one that seems to be able to get his mechanics where they need to be.

Maybe they were where they needed to be until he came under Don Gullett's watch....

[Reds Fanatic]

Wagner's ERA is now up to 5.65 what happened to the pitcher from April.

[rdiersin]

Maybe they were where they needed to be until he came under Don Gullett's watch....

That's the point. He went back over the winter and worked with him. Now, later in the season he is having trouble again. The Reds should let him have a couple days off and pay for his trip down there to get him back where he needs to be.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

The Reds aren't really even competitive against upper echelon teams now -- Boston, Atlanta, Cardinals. Trailing by 6-7 runs, getting one-hit, etc. What more does this F.O. need to see?

[pedro]

Can someone explain to me why Ryan Wagner isn't in AAA? He's not helping, and he's only getting shellshock. Before long, he'll Reith.

I agree. The Reds are destroying him.

[SteelSD]

Even with a scaled-down Cards lineup, this pitching staff can figure out how to give them six runs.

And I want Gullett's head on a platter for screwing up Ryan Wagner...among other things.

[CTA513]

Wagner's ERA is now up to 5.65 what happened to the pitcher from April.

They are over using him. He was supposed to be the setup man and now they use him when ever they need a relief pitcher. They are doing the same thing to Keisler.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa singles only the 2nd hit for the Reds tonight.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Randa with both Reds hits tonight off Carpenter.

Hopefully the Dodgers are watching. They might have to face STL in the playoffs and Randa can certainly hit Carpenter.

[TeamBoone]

Nice at bat by Adam.

[Reds Fanatic]

Coffey comes in and gives up a single to Taguchi and a double to Molina.

[CTA513]

I think Id have Coffey stay in the rest of the game. No reason to keep on using more pitchers when theres a 100% chance they are going to lose and be shutout.

[RosieRed]

The Reds aren't really even competitive against upper echelon teams now -- Boston, Atlanta, Cardinals. Trailing by 6-7 runs, getting one-hit, etc. What more does this F.O. need to see?

Hancock and Machado!

:runaway:

[Matt700wlw]

Hancock and Machado!

:runaway:

They are the key components in the world of Dan O'Brien...

[CTA513]

Hancock and Machado!

:runaway:

Hancock will come up when Harang gets traded, and Machado will come up when Lopez is traded.

[RosieRed]

Hancock will come up when Harang gets traded, and Machado will come up when Lopez is traded.

Please don't suggest such craziness, DanO could be reading and get ideas!

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez homers. 6-1.

[OnBaseMachine]

Felipe homers! His 12th.

shutout over.

[LoganBuck]

What went on between Carpenter and Lopez there? They definately were having words.

[Cedric]

What was Carpenter's problem after the homer? It sure looked like he was pissed and Felipe noticed it and almost stopped at home plate. Felipe didn't stare or showboat or do anything after the homer. Sorta confused me.

[KronoRed]

Reds are stinky

Go Felo :D

[LoganBuck]

Rally!

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia walks. Ray King coming in to pitch.

[KronoRed]

Lets go Grand Slams!

[CTA513]

Somebody call up Kearns and tell him Ray King is coming in to pitch.

[LoganBuck]

Maybe his good buddy Dunn will go get some of King!

[Matt700wlw]

Ok Ray...don't sit on anyone...

[LoganBuck]

They just showed the Felipe homer trot again, and it definately looked like Carpenter was popping off to Felo for no real good reason.

Casey just misses the DP.

[Cedric]

Why is it necessary for the Cardinals to have goons and classless players spread out throughout their whole roster? Carpenter is a bush league player. He was pissed at Felipe because he gave up a homer and lost his little scoreless streak. Disgusting.

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey grounds out. Aurilia goes to 2nd. 1 out.

[LoganBuck]

Is it just me or does King throw the best pitch of the at bat on the first pitch?

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior grounds out. 2 outs.

[KronoRed]

Hey Chris..you threw the pitch..your fault not Felos

[ochre]

Are those "soft" productive outs for advancing the runner when they are down by 5?

[Cedric]

Next time we play the Cardinals someone better stick Carpenter right in the ribs. But I'm sure this staff will forget.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa strikes out. Reds lose 6-1.

[KronoRed]

So much for a sweep

[CTA513]

They just showed the Felipe homer trot again, and it definately looked like Carpenter was popping off to Felo for no real good reason.

Casey just misses the DP.

I was wondering what Lopez was looking back at when coming home.

[Matt700wlw]

So much for a sweep

....nah, it's still very much alive...

[OldXOhio]

Next time we play the Cardinals someone better stick Carpenter right in the ribs. But I'm sure this staff will forget.

74 mph junk tends not to leave a lasting impression anyway.

[RedlegNation]

Every time I watch Rich Aurilia hitting near the top of the order, I throw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

It sure didn't hurt Felo's chances of making the NL All-Star team by hitting his 12th HR off a 9-game winner in front of the NL manager. :thumbup:

[traderumor]

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=264189&sid=771b0a7fe2d1d6a4241e65a50deb8e9d

Some confirmation that it isn't just us about how slobbery Grande and Welsh are toward the Cards.

[KronoRed]

Oh good grief..card fans going giddy with love :rant:

[Marc D]

74 mph junk tends not to leave a lasting impression anyway.

No it certainly does not. Thinking of a Reds pitcher going head hunting brings to mind two questions; A) could they actually hit the guy and B) would it even raise a welt?

Most likely scenario is the beanball turns into a 450ft homer.

[Kc61]

And in the world of competitive baseball, Chris Booker strikes out 3 to get the save for Louisville, 3-2. Too bad Reds can't use him.

[flyer85]

And in the world of competitive baseball, Chris Booker strikes out 3 to get the save for Louisville, 3-2. Too bad Reds can't use him.I was going to make this post.

in 32IP he has given up 21hits with 42Ks and 17BBs. That walk rate is high but he misses a lot of bats. You would think he would at least get a shot.

[traderumor]

And in the world of competitive baseball, Chris Booker strikes out 3 to get the save for Louisville, 3-2. Too bad Reds can't use him.Hey, our major league roster is loaded. Tough to break in on this staff. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

I was going to make this post.

in 32IP he has given up 21hits with 42Ks and 17BBs. That walk rate is high but he misses a lot of bats. You would think he would at least get a shot.

Missing bats is not pitching to contact :p:

[LoganBuck]

You know Matt, taped to the back of Binder #47 is the instructional video titled: "Tom Emanski's How to pitch like Cory Lidle."

[OnBaseMachine]

I was able to catch video of the Lopez homerun. I too noticed that Carpenter was jawing at Felipe as he rounded third. Did anyone ever figure out what he was spouting off about?

Lopez didn't show him up or anything. He couldn't have possibly been upset that Lopez swung for the fences in that situation.

Video of the Lopez homerun (http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mediacenter/index.jsp?c_id=cin) can be found by clicking on the top plays link.

[OnBaseMachine]

Well... Marc Lancaster has a quote from Felipe regarding Carpenter.


Along those lines, I asked Felipe about the exchange with Carpenter and he gave us a great quote ("I stopped to hear what he was saying to me, but he never looked back, so I guess it must have not been that important")

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

By the way Marc, I love reading your blog. Especially your Day in the Life posts! :thumbup:

[ochre]

He was probably thanking him for hitting the solo home run. They are rally killers you know.

[Cedric]

Coward. Felipe would go loco on his ass. lol

[WVRedsFan]

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=264189&sid=771b0a7fe2d1d6a4241e65a50deb8e9d

Some confirmation that it isn't just us about how slobbery Grande and Welsh are toward the Cards.

How sad. And the PR people don't have a clue. We are truly rudderless.

[CTA513]

I dont see how Carpenter could be mad at Lopez. Right after he hit the ball he took off running and ran all the way around the bases except when he heard Carpenter saying something when he was getting near homeplate.

I just hope the Cardinals arent stupid enough to hit Lopez tomorrow because of that.

[KronoRed]

I just hope the Cardinals arent stupid enough to hit Lopez tomorrow because of that.

If they are the entire team would deserve a suspension

"How dare he hit a home run" :laugh:

[flyer85]

I dont see how Carpenter could be mad at Lopez. Right after he hit the ball he took off running and ran all the way around the bases except when he heard Carpenter saying something when he was getting near homeplate.

I just hope the Cardinals arent stupid enough to hit Lopez tomorrow because of that.hopefully they will. A little bean ball war and a brawl could make it more interesting. :D

[Tony Cloninger]

You know what ticks me off even more.....was Welsh saying..."Now what is Lopez saying to Carpentar? Why is he jawing with him?"

This guy and GG have their heads up STL colon that they cannot even objectively see that it was CC who was doing the yelling.