Lineups out early tonight, and it's changed again!

[Buckeye33]

Reds:

1. Lopez SS
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Casey 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Randa 3B
6. Dunn LF
7. Pena RF
8. LaRue C
9. Harang P

Giants:

1. Ellison CF
2. Vizquel SS
3. Snow 1B
4. Alou LF
5. Tucker RF
6. Cruz 2B
7. Feliz 3B
8. Matheny C
9. Tomko P

I guess Narron didn't like having a .400 OBP in the 2 hole against righties. Casey's is hot right now, but still should not be in the 3 hole.

[Cyclone792]

The two worst hitters starting are batting 2nd and 3rd in the lineup ... again.

Figures :barf:

[Caveat Emperor]

Anybody have the stats on how Lopez does when batting in front of Aurillia v. batting in front of Dunn? It seems to me, anecodotally, that he has a lot of 0-fers and 1-fers with Dunn behind him, but a lot of 2 and 3 hit games with Rich behind him.

That, if true, both confuses and irks me.

[pedro]

FWIW Aurilia and Casey OWN Tomko and Dunn is hitting .182 off him.

Dunn does have 2 HR's against Tomko in 11 AB's though.

[traderumor]

Names out of a hat every night.

[KronoRed]

*shrug*

I knew Dunn in the 2 spot was fleeting ;)

[pedro]

It looks to me that Narron *may* be looking at batter vs. pitcher stats in his lineup construction.

[OnBaseMachine]

I guess Dunn's .538 OBP in the two slot isn't good enough.

[Jpup]

I guess Dunn's .538 OBP in the two slot isn't good enough.

Those two RBIs last night didn't help either. :confused:

[Reds1]

Is this game on FSO tonight? I didn't think it was, but enquirer says it is. I hope so. Wasn't expecting it tonight.

[SirFelixCat]

Gonna watch the game on TiVo after work tonight, so, this is my only check-in. Go Reds, and if what Caveat Emperor says is right....how odd, eh?

It does seem that Narron is looking at pitching/hitting matchups...really, he could do worse, IMO.

[guttle11]

Is this game on FSO tonight? I didn't think it was, but enquirer says it is. I hope so. Wasn't expecting it tonight.

DDN didnt show it

[Buckeye33]

Is this game on FSO tonight? I didn't think it was, but enquirer says it is. I hope so. Wasn't expecting it tonight.

It's not listed on my cable guide here in Columbus. :(

[OnBaseMachine]

Anybody have the stats on how Lopez does when batting in front of Aurillia v. batting in front of Dunn? It seems to me, anecodotally, that he has a lot of 0-fers and 1-fers with Dunn behind him, but a lot of 2 and 3 hit games with Rich behind him.

That, if true, both confuses and irks me.

With Dunn hitting 2nd:

1st time: Lopez goes 3 for 3 with a walk
2nd time: Lopez goes 4 for 5; double shy of cycle
3rd time: Lopez goes 1 for 3 HBP
4th time: Lopez goes 0 for 4 walk

Total: 8 for 15(.553/.611).

[KronoRed]

Not listed on FSN Cincy on DirecTV

[Falls City Beer]

Tonight would be as good a night as any for Aaron to stop stinking.

[RedsBaron]

With Dunn hitting 2nd:

1st time: Lopez goes 3 for 3 with a walk
2nd time: Lopez goes 4 for 5; double shy of cycle
3rd time: Lopez goes 1 for 3 HBP
4th time: Lopez goes 0 for 4 walk

Total: 8 for 15(.553/.611).
If that's the best he can do with Dunn batting behind him...... :bang:

[RedsBaron]

Names out of a hat every night.
Except Casey's name always lands in the third slot. :bang:

[flyer85]

Dunn was getting on base too much. Reds need a scrappy hitter in the two hole.

Narron is Miley Lite

[flyer85]

Except Casey's name always lands in the third slot. :bang:A hitter with an OPS under 700 against RH pitching batting 3rd. I guess those numbers don't count

[Raisor]

Dunn was getting on base too much. Reds need a scrappy hitter in the two hole.

Narron is Miley Lite

I think it might have been Miley being Narron-Lite.

[kyred14]

A hitter with an OPS under 700 against RH pitching batting 3rd. I guess those numbers don't count

Casey fronts most people with his BA, but that stat is pathetic. How can you possibly continue to bat him third? :help:

[Matt700wlw]

Unless the game is blacked out in your area...DTV users try channel 654

[Raisor]

Casey


About a week into the season I predicted Casey would OPS sub 800 the first half of the season. I also predicted he'll OPS >900 the second half.

I'll stick to that for now.

[Matt700wlw]

Unless the game is blacked out in your area...DTV users try channel 654

As it just did for me.... :rant:

[flyer85]

Casey fronts most people with his BA, but that stat is pathetic. How can you possibly continue to bat him third? :help:against RH ptiching Casey should be batting 7th. His 698 OPS defies description. A number only Castro could be proud of.

OPS against RH pitching
Lopez 980
Aurilia 705
Casey 698
Jr 863
Randa 882
Dunn 1022
Pena 802
Larue 819

2 worst hitters(by a lot are hitting 2nd and 3rd) should be batting 7th and 8th

[flyer85]

BTW, Josh Hall had another good outing. 6IP 5H 2ER 2BB 3K

He should be here instead of Hudson who has no clue where the ball is going

[Raisor]

Casey's gimmick is he goes on season long slumps and then season long hot streaks. Only deal is those "seasons" are never in the same season.

He'll streak from allstar break to allstar break.

[Falls City Beer]

He should be here instead of Hudson who has no clue where the ball is going

and no clue how easy his stuff is to hit.

[TRF]

I'm gonna say it. maybe I am the first to say it. I really don't know.

But Casey has to be hurt, cuz this seems awfully familiar.

[DoogMinAmo]

BTW, Josh Hall had another good outing. 6IP 5H 2ER 2BB 3K

He should be here instead of Hudson who has no clue where the ball is going

Hall, I sould like to give him the rest of the year to be successful, no matter what. I wouldn't even want to see a promotion to AAA. Next year he can sink or swim in the bigs. Kelly, OTOH, strikes me as a pitcher who has a track record of success, and would seem to gain the most and lose the least by a promotion. If Hudson had options, Kelly would be up and Luke sent down. But since he doesn't, we shall see neither.

[Raisor]

I'm gonna say it. maybe I am the first to say it. I really don't know.

But Casey has to be hurt, cuz this seems awfully familiar.

If he's hurt, then he got hurt mid-season last year.

2nd Half, 2004-360/461
1st half, 2005-360/402

[flyer85]

this organization is so completely lost it is impossible to describe

[Big Klu]

Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.

[Puffy]

Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.

So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

[WMR]

I hope he meant Major League, and not National League!!

[flyer85]

Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.Martyneeds to get Sean's RISP stat in front of him. Sean is clutch

[Caveat Emperor]

If he's hurt, then he got hurt mid-season last year.

2nd Half, 2004-360/461
1st half, 2005-360/402

Another weak ground ball from Sean Casey. His GB/FB ratio is almost an even 2 right now, whereas last year it was closer to 1.3.

He is not elevating pitches because he is being pitched to induce grounders, and he continues to help opposing pitchers by swinging at bad balls.

[Aronchis]

I'm gonna say it. maybe I am the first to say it. I really don't know.

But Casey has to be hurt, cuz this seems awfully familiar.

When the Reds traded for Casey, years like 99 or 04 I thought would be normal years for him, with some years Casey hitting something like 340 30 homers and 120RBI type years. He never has lived up to that potential I thought he had. But not many of the 97-99 group traded for/drafted have.

[flyer85]

Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.Since Monkeywicks is on the DL his competition is gone

[OnBaseMachine]

Casey has gone 116 atbats since hitting a homerun.

just sayin'

[Raisor]

Casey hits a Casey but is saved from being a CASEY by the fact that there were two outs already.

Casey saves the Casey for later.

[rdiersin]

Hall, I sould like to give him the rest of the year to be successful, no matter what. I wouldn't even want to see a promotion to AAA. Next year he can sink or swim in the bigs. Kelly, OTOH, strikes me as a pitcher who has a track record of success, and would seem to gain the most and lose the least by a promotion. If Hudson had options, Kelly would be up and Luke sent down. But since he doesn't, we shall see neither.

I'm not sure. Kelly started out the year great, but in his last 8 starts he has this line

App IP TBF H ER HR SO BB
GS 6.7 31 11 5 1 6 1
GS 4.0 21 9 6 1 2 1
GS 8.0 29 6 1 0 4 2
GS 5.3 26 9 6 0 3 2
GS 6.0 24 5 1 1 3 2
GS 5.7 25 5 5 1 0 3
GS 3.3 21 8 8 0 3 2
GS 4.0 16 3 1 0 4 2
Total 43.0 193 56 33 4 25 15
Total Seaon 97.0 408 94 44 7 61 34

Also his Fielding Independent Pitching and K/9 aren't particularly great.


Pitcher IP ERA HR/9 K/9 BB/9 K/BB FIP GO/FO
Elizardo Ramirez 55.3 3.09 0.98 6.02 1.46 4.11 3.81 1.84
Steve Kelly 97.0 4.08 0.65 5.66 3.15 1.79 4.02 1.42

[CTA513]

Marty just said that Casey is possibly the most un-productive regular first baseman in the league.

He hasnt had an RBI in 10 games and is batting .279 in that time span.

[TRF]

If he's hurt, then he got hurt mid-season last year.

2nd Half, 2004-360/461
1st half, 2005-360/402

He had a nice May... but June was atrocious. just seems familiar. During his strength rebuilding season of 2003 he had numbers like this some solid BA months, giving him decent OB numbers, and no power. Very similar to 2003 thus far.

[flyer85]

Booker last 2 nights

2IP 0H 0BB 5K

[CTA513]

Booker last 2 nights

2IP 0H 0BB 5K

To good to be a Reds pitcher.

;)

[flyer85]

Casey has gone 116 atbats since hitting a homerun.

just sayin'on a pace to hit 5

[Caveat Emperor]

If Casey was making around $3 million, there would be someone who would take him in a trade. As it is, his salary probably precludes him from being traded anywhere, especially with his $8 million number next year.

As many on this board advocated, both last year and in the offseason, the time to move Sean Casey was last July. The Reds probably could've fleeced someone in a trade if they'd been managed correctly...

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang starts the game by striking out Ellison and Vizquel

[TRF]

I didn't know JT Snow was still alive.

[KronoRed]

He gave up switch hitting

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior bobbles the ball but holds on to make the catch. 0-0 after 1.

[Aronchis]

If Casey was making around $3 million, there would be someone who would take him in a trade. As it is, his salary probably precludes him from being traded anywhere, especially with his $8 million number next year.

As many on this board advocated, both last year and in the offseason, the time to move Sean Casey was last July. The Reds probably could've fleeced someone in a trade if they'd been managed correctly...

Casey is quite moveable, though you aren't going to get a big return.

[flyer85]

If Casey was making around $3 million, there would be someone who would take him in a trade. As it is, his salary probably precludes him from being traded anywhere, especially with his $8 million number next year.

As many on this board advocated, both last year and in the offseason, the time to move Sean Casey was last July. The Reds probably could've fleeced someone in a trade if they'd been managed correctly...DanO mangled this offseason. His didn't just miss, his decisions were 180 degress off course. Every day he stays delays the potential recovery by 2

[Big Klu]

I didn't know JT Snow was still alive.

I know that Snow is a slick fielder, and his batting average isn't too bad this year, but I still don't know why the Giants aren't playing Lance Niekro more. That kid is impressive!

[TRF]

Due up: Griff, Randa, Dunn, Pena.

Pain, Randa, Pain, Pain.

[OnBaseMachine]

on a pace to hit 5

On Tuesday, Kearns hit as many homeruns in one game as Casey has all year.

[flyer85]

On Tuesday, Kearns hit as many homeruns in one game as Casey has all year.Yeah but Sean is in top notch condition

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior doubles to right.

[OnBaseMachine]

Yeah but Sean is in top notch condition

And he gives great hugs, the best in baseball I hear.

[Cedric]

How is Randa not pain? He's mashing the ball this whole year. Just because DanO signed him doesn't mean he has to be bashed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa lines into a double play as Junior gets caught off first. 2 outs.

[Big Klu]

on a pace to hit 5

Dave Concepcion was good for five homers a year.

[TRF]

anyone beside me giddy that Jr. is now hitting .285?

yeah i know BA is a useless stat, but still...

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[Big Klu]

anyone beside me giddy that Jr. is now hitting .285?

yeah i know BA is a useless stat, but still...

I think he will be at or over .300 by the end of the season.

[SteelSD]

Dunn K's swinging at ball four. He's doing that a lot more lately trying to "protect" the plate. I'd rather he just Walk.

[TRF]

The radar gun in SF must be the same one Roscoe P. Coltrane uses. Since when does Tomko hit 96?

[Falls City Beer]

Randa lines into a double play as Junior gets caught off first. 2 outs.

This team could find a way to make pizza and sex bad.

[Caveat Emperor]

anyone beside me giddy that Jr. is now hitting .285?

yeah i know BA is a useless stat, but still...

"Useless" is such a strong word. There are still more than a few people who put too much stock into BA that can get taken in deals by dangling high average players in front of them.

[Raisor]

Scary stat of the hour, Casey is on pace to create only about 5 more runs per 600 PA's then Aurilia.

Casey 71.12 per 600 PA
Aurilia 65.5 per 600 PA

[SteelSD]

The radar gun in SF must be the same one Roscoe P. Coltrane uses. Since when does Tomko hit 96?

Since he's pitching against a team that he'll most likely go to the grave completely torked off at.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn has been getting in hitters counts lately(3-0, 3-1), and then striking out on bad pitches. Stop swinging at those pitches Adam!

[Falls City Beer]

Since he's pitching against a team that he'll most likely go to the grave completely torked off at.

Likewise, I'm sure.

[Reds Fanatic]

Alou and Tucker fly out.

[SteelSD]

"Useless" is such a strong word. There are still more than a few people who put too much stock into BA that can get taken in deals by dangling high average players in front of them.

Useful in arbitration too. Let's not forget that. ;)

[Falls City Beer]

I'll keep it simple: Tucker=mother.

[TRF]

Since he's pitching against a team that he'll most likely go to the grave completely torked off at.

oh yeah...

Makes me wish the Reds played the Angels everytime Ortiz starts.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lancaster's update. Kearns went 3 for 4 today and is now up to .362. Kenny Kelly went 3 for 3 in his first game of rehab. Keisler threw 2 shutout innings.

[Caveat Emperor]

Time: 10:38 PM

Jimmy Anderson Name Checks: 1
Rob Bell Name Checks: 1

[SteelSD]

Likewise, I'm sure.

No doubt. If the Reds did the same thing with character evaluation the A's do for draft prospects, I have little doubt that they'd hang little "Tomkos" by names on the draft board.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn drops an easy fly ball that would have ended the inning.

[SteelSD]

Dunn.

Ugly. Griffey has good Inning. Dunn has bad Inning.

[Big Klu]

"Useless" is such a strong word. There are still more than a few people who put too much stock into BA that can get taken in deals by dangling high average players in front of them.

I still like batting average. It's like a comfortable pair of sneakers or an old pair of jeans. It's easy for me to work with. But I'm not one who would be "taken"--it is what it is.

[Raisor]

I bet BF glued a rock into Dunn's glove.

[Raisor]

Great play by the Reds there..

[Reds Fanatic]

Larue starts to throw the runner out at 2nd but then Aurilia catches the runner off of third. Play goes 2-4-5. 0-0 after 2.

[SteelSD]

And the Giants just gave us that Out back on a very very poor steal attempt in that situation. You just don't steal 2B when the 8 hitter is being pitched to.

Very very bad and thank you very much.

[Caveat Emperor]

And the Giants just gave us that Out back on a very very poor steal attempt in that situation. You just don't steal 2B when the 8 hitter is being pitched to.

Very very bad and thank you very much.

And...somewhere out there on the internet on "GiantsZone.com" (wherever it may be), a bunch of fans are going ballistic and wondering when ownership will step in and blow out the team's management as punishment for allowing such ineptitude. :laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

Pena pops out to short. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin flies out to short. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

And...somewhere out there on the internet on "GiantsZone.com" (wherever it may be), a bunch of fans are going ballistic and wondering when ownership will step in and blow out the team's management as punishment for allowing such ineptitude. :laugh:


http://www.giantszone.com/

Maybe...but for other reasons...

[Reds Fanatic]

Tucker drops Harang's fly ball.

[Matt700wlw]

This is some sloppy "professional" baseball...

[CTA513]

lol Tucker took fielding tips from Dunn.

[SteelSD]

The past two games, the Giants have been busting Pena way up and in and Pena hasn't been able to lay off it.

And thanks, Michael Tucker. Now I can forget about Dunn's drop.

[DoogMinAmo]

Maybe Mikey Tucker misses his buddies in Cincy?

[flyer85]

must be something in the air

[SteelSD]

Maybe Mikey Tucker misses his buddies in Cincy?

Nah.

He doesn't like Tomko either. ;)

[SteelSD]

One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

[CTA513]

Lopez is doing a good job by making Tomko pitch after Tuckers error.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez grounds into a fielder's choice. 0-0 mid 3rd.

[CTA513]

One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

Only if they give Harang a 80 foot head start.

;)

[Caveat Emperor]

One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

He didn't read "Moneyball" either ;)

[DoogMinAmo]

One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

Are they serious? I would hope not, but I have not been able to watch/listen, so I do not know.

[Big Klu]

must be something in the air

I can feel it coming in the air tonight...Oh Lord, Oh Lord!

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg400/g404/g40452mwqe4.jpg

[KronoRed]

These teams are stinky

Who will be the stinkiest? :D

[Puffy]

http://www.giantszone.com/

Maybe...but for other reasons...

Yes! Go NY Football Giants!!!!!!!

Wooohoooooooooo.....................

[Reds Fanatic]

Matheny strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[DoogMinAmo]

I think Aaron is happy June is gone, let's see if July will be better. I say yes, for the simple fact that it is national hot dog month. Let's see you try and make sense out of that.

[Falls City Beer]

One of the drunk Giants announcers is saying that Narron should make Harang attempt a steal here.

"Harang's got a huuuuge lead over there at first..."

http://www.moviegoods.com/afi/actor_pics/frankie.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Tomko flies out to right. 2 outs.

[Big Klu]

These teams are stinky

Who will be the stinkiest? :D


Hi-de-ho!

http://www.deeplake.com/southpark/mrhanky.gif

[Caveat Emperor]

A big Thursday night Game Thread shout out to Hannibal, Birdman72, Grandpaw and txred, all reading the game thread and all have a post count of 0. :wave:

Why do I know this? Because my mind wanders when Steve Stewart takes the mic.

[KronoRed]

I like Steve Stewert

:D

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellison strikes out swinging. 4 K's for Harang. 0-0 after 3.

[TRF]

Harangatang 3 IP, 4 K 35 pitches.

mmmmmmm harangalicous.

[CTA513]

4 strikeouts? what are you doing Harang?

"PITCH TO CONTACT" or be fired!

;)

[DoogMinAmo]

Harang is pitching like he is pissed off. Man, I wonder if it has to do with the lowsy run support he gets, and his resulting record.

Either way, I am calling a complete game for Aaron, the Reds are due.

[RedsFan75]

Just heard on Baseball Tonight, that the Cubs sent Corey Patterson to the minors.

[flyer85]

Cubs have sent Corey Patterson to AAA

[CTA513]

Harang is pitching like he is pissed off. Man, I wonder if it has to do with the lowsy run support he gets, and his resulting record.

Either way, I am calling a complete game for Aaron, the Reds are due.

or that he pitched crappy the month of June.

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia fouls out to 3rd.
Casey flies out to center. 2 outs.

[KronoRed]

Just heard on Baseball Tonight, that the Cubs sent Corey Patterson to the minors.
JR to Chicago? ;)

[CTA513]

Cubs have sent Corey Patterson to AAA

Cubs are copycats... sending Patterson to AAA because the Reds sent Kearns to AAA.

;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior singles to right. His 2nd hit of the night.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa triples to right center. 1-0 Reds.

[DoogMinAmo]

Nice to see Junior hitting to all fields. All of them except center and left.

Was he always such a pull hitter?

[CTA513]

Randa triples, Griffey scores.

1-0 Reds.

:)

[Caveat Emperor]

Joe Randa increases his trade value and RBIs Ken Griffey Jr. in.

(Gotta prioritize in these Game Threads!)

[CTA513]

lol Steve said Griffey needs some oxygen after running from 1st to home.

[DoogMinAmo]

Now that Dunn has a sac fly, do we care anymore if he does it again?

[TRF]

Randa tripled?

tripled? Man is he going to look good in Dodger Blue.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

[RedsFan75]

Naw I'd rather he homer... :D

[CTA513]

Now that Dunn has a sac fly, do we care anymore if he does it again?

It would be hard to do with 2 outs.

:p:

[DoogMinAmo]

It would be hard to do with 2 outs.

:p:

I blame Casey.

[KronoRed]

It would be hard to do with 2 outs.

:p:

Casey could do it

;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Pena grounds out to the pitcher. 1-0 Reds mid 4th.

[Puffy]

Dunn walks. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Adam!!!!

Thats a "soft" walk and like Twisted Sister says, We're not Gonna Take It

[DoogMinAmo]

Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

[Reds Fanatic]

Vizquel singles to right.

[RFS62]

Aurilia motoring like a herd of turtles, decides not to dive and sully his uni.

[Falls City Beer]

Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

Nope. Not till 2000.

[DoogMinAmo]

Omar has about the same chance of stealing as Aurilia does, I hope Aaron is not pitching form the stretch.

[Aronchis]

Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

I don't think it was. I thought it came into being around 2001, but whent the "reputation" system was added, I heard 2000 mentioned.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nope. Not till 2000.

Is there a way to go back and look at some of the posts in 2000 and 2001? I would love to see the reactions to the Griffey trade and Dunn getting called up.

[DoogMinAmo]

Nope. Not till 2000.

Could Redszone be the problem then? Would everyone be willing to give up Redszone forever for the Reds to win a World Championship?

[CTA513]

Vizquel thrown out stealing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin throws Vizquel out trying to steal. 1 out.

[KronoRed]

I think in 99 most RedZoners were still over at Cincinnati.com

[Caveat Emperor]

Was Redszone around in 1999? I think it was, but I don't remeber posting here and winning. Man, has it been a long time.

RedsZone would be empty if the Reds started winning...fans would drift around aimlessly, not sure what to do with themselves. :laugh:

[TRF]

nobody runs on Javi.

[KronoRed]

Could Redszone be the problem then? Would everyone be willing to give up Redszone forever for the Reds to win a World Championship?

Are you crazy?!?

[TRF]

I think in 99 most RedZoners were still over at Cincinnati.com

good times... good times.

My username there got spoofed by some clown, and it took me weeks to make nice with everyone.

[Reds Fanatic]

Snow grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[DoogMinAmo]

Are you crazy?!?

I dunno? Griffey was supposed to be the final piece, he comes, Redszone is started, and then its all down hill. Hey, no matter how absurd, an excuse is an excuse.

[Big Klu]

nobody runs on Javi.

Did I miss something? Didn't LaRue start? When and why did Valentin come in?

[Reds Fanatic]

Did I miss something? Didn't LaRue start? When and why did Valentin come in? No Valentin started.

[WVPacman]

Whats the score?? :help:

[TRF]

Moises Alou is one of the more incredible hitting talents I have seen in my life. Too bad injuries decimated a lot of his career.

[Reds Fanatic]

Alou strikes out looking. 5 K's for Harang. 1-0 Reds after 4.

[OnBaseMachine]

Did I miss something? Didn't LaRue start? When and why did Valentin come in?

Yeah, I just noticed that. The lineup buckeye posted has LaRue starting and batting 8th. Hope he didn't get hurt.

[TRF]

Whats the score?? :help:

1-0 Reds

[DoogMinAmo]

Thanks TRF, Alou Ks looking, Harang with 5 tonight. Through 4 innings,

Tomko 66 pitches - 42 strikes, 2Ks, 1bb, 3h, 1r
Harang 52-39, 5Ks, obb, 2h, 0r

[Big Klu]

No Valentin started.

OK. I was just wondering, based on some earlier posts.



Reds:

1. Lopez SS
2. Aurilia 2B
3. Casey 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Randa 3B
6. Dunn LF
7. Pena RF
8. LaRue C
9. Harang P

Giants:

1. Ellison CF
2. Vizquel SS
3. Snow 1B
4. Alou LF
5. Tucker RF
6. Cruz 2B
7. Feliz 3B
8. Matheny C
9. Tomko P



Larue starts to throw the runner out at 2nd but then Aurilia catches the runner off of third. Play goes 2-4-5. 0-0 after 2.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Caveat Emperor]

Marty and Steve are discussing the Curt Schilling situation, where he will go to the bullpen as the closer after the AS break.

Dan O'Brien would not have the stones to make a decision like that. That's one of many reasons why Theo Epstein is one of the best GMs in baseball and why we're all looking forward to potentially the first road-series victory of the season for DannO's Reds.

[kyred14]

Could Redszone be the problem then? Would everyone be willing to give up Redszone forever for the Reds to win a World Championship?

The last year the Reds were contenders was the year before Redszone came along.

Just Sayin.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[DoogMinAmo]

I think I remember reading here mid 99, it can't just be me. Is it?

[Reds Fanatic]

OK. I was just wondering, based on some earlier posts. Sorry about the confusion on that earlier play. I forgot Valentin was playing when I posted that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez lines a hit to right.

[Caveat Emperor]

The Reds All-Star Shortstop with a base hit.

It never gets old typing that.

[Big Klu]

Sorry about the confusion on that earlier play. I forgot Valentin was playing when I posted that.

No prob! :)

[TRF]

A tale of two pitchers.

Tomko and Harang have the same number on IP and walks, but Harang has an ERA a full run lower. why?

K's matter to pitchers, and Harang has almost a K per IP. Tomko... less.

[WVPacman]

1-0 Reds

Thanks TRF!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia flies out to the warning track in center. 1-0 Reds mid 5th.

[OnBaseMachine]

A poster on Redslive is saying the Reds should deal Dunn for Corey Patterson. :rolleyes: :eek: :dunno:

[Buckeye33]

Yeah, I just noticed that. The lineup buckeye posted has LaRue starting and batting 8th. Hope he didn't get hurt.

Hmmm...I coulda sworn LaRue was in the lineup when I posted it at 7:45ish. I guess I may have assumed, but I thought he was.

[DoogMinAmo]

A tale of two pitchers.

Tomko and Harang have the same number on IP and walks, but Harang has an ERA a full run lower. why?

K's matter to pitchers, and Harang has almost a K per IP. Tomko... less.

FWIW, Harang has 1 less walk (0-1) and in a half inning more, Tomko only has 1 less K.

Tomko just burned 28 pitches to get through 4 batters and get out of the inning. The difference is, Harang knows how to pitch, and the SF offense sucks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tucker lines a hit to left.

[WVPacman]

Is it just me or does it seem like Tucker has played 15 years in the bigs??

[Reds Fanatic]

Cruz strikes out swinging. 1 out. 6 K's for Harang.

[DoogMinAmo]

Is it just me or does it seem like Tucker has played 15 years in the bigs??

Ten years, but still a lot.

[Matt700wlw]

Is it just me or does it seem like Tucker has played 15 years in the bigs??

This is his 11th

[Reds Fanatic]

Feliz grounds to short. But Aurilia drops the throw at 2nd from Lopez. 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Error on Lopez.

[flyer85]

A poster on Redslive is saying the Reds should deal Dunn for Corey Patterson. :rolleyes: :eek: :dunno:Kearnr and Dunn for Dubois and Patterson ... sounds like a winner to me.

[Matt700wlw]

Aurilia needs a day off...

...wait, scratch that --

:D

[Caveat Emperor]

Another error for Lopez...If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was just mailing it in until the AS break. :laugh:

[RedsFan75]

So the error goes to Lopez and not Aurillia??? Hmmm

[Falls City Beer]

Come on Aaron, don't start sucking!

[Big Klu]

Another error for Lopez...If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was just mailing it in until the AS break. :laugh:

I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

[Matt700wlw]

I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

The Olmedo/Machado tandem could be coming...

[WVPacman]

Is the Reds game on the reds tv channel tonight?

I highly doubt it

[DoogMinAmo]

I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

I blame Bob Boone.

[Caveat Emperor]

I think he could use a day off. He hasn't had one in a long time. The errors might be coming from being a little bit fatigued.

I concur...he's been playing at such a high level on a daily basis that he really could use just a day to sit down and collect himself.

I'm sure there'll be an edict from on high to get Machado in at some point over the next few days, and that'll give Lopez his day off.

[CTA513]

Boo! Harang hit the showers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Matheny homers to left. 3-1 Giants.

[Reds Fanatic]

Is the Reds game on the reds tv channel tonight?

I highly doubt it No local tv tonight or tomorrow night.

[Caveat Emperor]

Typical 21st century Reds: giving up a dinger to the #8 hitter.

[Matt700wlw]

Typical 21st century Reds: giving up a dinger to the #8 hitter.

Matheny's 9th HR...a CAREER HIGH

[WVPacman]

Another error for Lopez...If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was just mailing it in until the AS break. :laugh:

I think he needs a break b/c like you said his defense isn't that good right now exspecially last night he could'nt get the ball out of his glove.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tomko strikes out swinging. 7 K's for Harang.

[Matt700wlw]

So the error goes to Lopez and not Aurillia??? Hmmm

Former Giant...

[Falls City Beer]

I said it about 8 years ago, but Harang sucks with runners on. He needs to ditch the stretch.

[Aronchis]

Harang really screwed up on that one.

[OnBaseMachine]

If I served up a homer to Matheny, I would run off the field as fast as I could. It's just embarrassing.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellison strikes out looking. 8th K for Harang. 3-1 Giants after 5.

[CTA513]

A walk might have been just a little bit better.

[Caveat Emperor]

:wave: Hi Marc

ETA: Marc Lancaster made an oh-so-brief cameo on the GameThread viewing list. Wanted to make him feel welcome.

[Reds Fanatic]

Casey singles to left.

[cReds1]

Casey singles to left.

Is that the guy who stinks and is batting .315?

[Reds Fanatic]

Marty says the latest rumor is the White Sox are interested in trading for Junior.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior walks. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

[DoogMinAmo]

103 pitches for Tomko after Junior walks. Will he make it out?

[DoogMinAmo]

What did the beat writer have to say in the second inning?

[flyer85]

Marty says the latest rumor is the White Sox are interested in trading for Junior.they already have a log jam at OF/DH

[BoydsOfSummer]

I need serious help. It's 11:48 on a thursday night, the Reds totally suck and have no chance at anything. And I'm replaying one of their past seasons on Diamond Mind while listening to them over the internet from the west coast,all the while hanging out with other disturbed like-minded freaks on a internet game thread.

[Reds Fanatic]

Randa grounds off the leg of Tomko and gets an infield hit. Bases loaded with no outs for Dunn.

[OnBaseMachine]

Is that the guy who stinks and is batting .315?

Yeah, the same guy that is hitting .315/.360/.402. NL 1B are hitting .286/.365/.480.

Casey is a below average first baseman.

[cReds1]

Matheny's 9th HR...a CAREER HIGH

Is this the same guy who was said LaRue was way better than him? A career high and at his age. Hmmmmmm :evil:

[DoogMinAmo]

Bases juiced, no outs. Well, Dunn can get another Sac fly. Which bat do you think he is grabbing?

[Reds Fanatic]

What did the beat writer have to say in the second inning? He talked about how well Kearns is hitting in Louisville. His average is up to .362. He also talked about Kenny Kelly starting his rehab with a 3 for 3 night and Keisler is also back to pitching for Louisville.

[Caveat Emperor]

I need serious help. It's 11:48 on a thursday night, the Reds totally suck and have no chance at anything. And I'm replaying one of their past seasons on Diamond Mind while listening to them over the internet from the west coast,all the while hanging out with other disturbed like-minded freaks on a internet game thread.

It's kinda like being an alcoholic...but at least you're not drinking alone when you're on the Game Thread. :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Jason Christiansen coming in to pitch.

[DoogMinAmo]

He talked about how well Kearns is hitting in Louisville. His average is up to .362. He also talked about Kenny Kelly starting his rehab with a 3 for 3 night and Keisler is also back to pitching for Louisville.

Thanks :thumbup:

[OnBaseMachine]

Is this the same guy who was said LaRue was way better than him? A career high and at his age. Hmmmmmm :evil:

LaRue is a better hitter than Matheny, and it's really not even close.

2005 LaRue-.791 OPS, career-.740
Matheny-.726 OPS, career-.635

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out. Dunn swung at 2 balls out of the strike zone.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn again swings at bad pitches. In the past, Dunn would hardly ever swing at a pitch out of the zone, now he's doing it regularly.

[Reds Fanatic]

Scott Munter coming in to pitch.

[RedsFan75]

Think Dunn might be listening to all the RISP talk and trying too hard to prove everyone wrong?

[Reds Fanatic]

Pena pops out to 1st. 2 outs.

[cReds1]

Yeah, the same guy that is hitting .315/.360/.402. NL 1B are hitting .286/.365/.480.

Casey is a below average first baseman.

Let's take Pujols and Lee out of the equation and add how many more times Casey has been at the plate compared to the other 1Bs. The reason I say take out Pujols is because nobody is compared to that man. Lee is just having his best year of his career.

[Cedric]

Good god. Wily Mo needs to change his approach against Rh's.

[Reds Fanatic]

Baseball is being dropped as an Olympic sport

[Aronchis]

Good god. Wily Mo needs to change his approach against Rh's.

Not on that pitch, that was grooved.

[cReds1]

LaRue is a better hitter than Matheny, and it's really not even close.

2005 LaRue-.791 OPS, career-.740
Matheny-.726 OPS, career-.635

Once again place age into the factor and what do you come up with? You think LaRue will even make it as far as he has? I doubt it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin lines out to short. Unbelievable. Bases loaded no outs with Dunn and Pena coming up and we get no runs. 3-1 Giants mid 6th.

[WVRedsFan]

I have no TV tonight, but either the Giants are making fantastic plays or the Giants announcers on XM are too dramatic.

[Caveat Emperor]

If ever an inning was a microcosm for the entire season...

[Buckeye33]

Sickening

[pedro]

to be fair to dunn he came awful damn close to having a double.

[OnBaseMachine]

Once again place age into the factor and what do you come up with? You think LaRue will even make it as far as he has? I doubt it.

Yes, yes I do. Matheny is only three years older than Jason. Fact is LaRue is and always has been a better hitter than Matheny.

[pedro]

cReds1,

you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Reds Fanatic]

Vizquel grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Snow walks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Alou grounds into a 4-3 double play. 3-1 Giants after 6.

[OnBaseMachine]

Let's take Pujols and Lee out of the equation and add how many more times Casey has been at the plate compared to the other 1Bs. The reason I say take out Pujols is because nobody is compared to that man. Lee is just having his best year of his career.

So you want to take out the the top two hitters at their position to make Casey look like an above average first baseman? If you wanna play that game, take out Nevin and LaRoche too since they are the worst. It becomes a moot point.