Game thread 8/12

[pedro]

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
R. Aurilia 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .260
K. Griffey cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
J. LaRue c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .270
Encarnacion 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232
L. Hudson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Milwaukee
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Weeks 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .256
B. Hall ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
L. Overbay 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .282
C. Lee lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
G. Jenkins rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
D. Miller c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .265
R. Branyan 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
C. Magruder cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .231
C. Capuano p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .104

[Big Klu]

I liked LaRue in the #2 spot the other day, and I would prefer him to hit second instead of Aurilia.

My lineup (with this personnel):
Lopez ss
LaRue c
Griffey cf
Dunn lf
Kearns rf
Casey 1b
Aurilia 2b
Encarnacion 3b
Hudson p

[TeamBoone]

And Adam Dunn drops back to the 6th spot. I just don't understand.

[deltachi8]

lefty on the mound, thats why for Dunn.

Not that I agree...

[OnBaseMachine]

Felipe breaks the 0-for-27 streak with a single.

[SirFelixCat]

Felipe breaks the 0-for-27 streak with a single.

Just the beginning :)

Solid pbp tonight please guys. Man I hate working Friday nights :cry:

[GAC]

Anyone want to chat?

[GAC]

I'll try to give you pbp Eddie. But you know how unreliable I am once I have a few Buds (worse then Nuxie) :lol:

[GAC]

Kearns singles to RF and scores Lopez

1-0 Reds

[OnBaseMachine]

Aurilia and Griffey flyout.

Kearns singles on a 3-1 pitch, 1-0 Reds!

[RedsManRick]

tonight's Reds vs LHP:

F. Lopez: 109 ab, .193/.244/.312 (.556)
R. Aurilia: 77 ab, .273/.333/.455 (.788)
K. Griffey: 135 ab, .274/.355/.511 (.866)
A. Kearns: 61 ab, .213/.329/.393 (.722)
S. Casey: 153 ab, .333/.387/.425 (.812)
A. Dunn: 123 ab, .203/.317/.488 (.805)
J. LaRue: 67 ab, .239/.376/.463 (.839)
Encarnacion: 20 ab, .400/.500/.700 (1.200)

Hmmm..... If I had time I'd do the three year splits. Fact is that Dunn against lefties is still better than Aurilia against lefties.

[GAC]

Nice piece of hitting by Ears.

[GAC]

Ball squirts away from the catcher advancing Ears to 2B

Casey up 2 outs

[GAC]

Casey weak GO to Overbay inning over

[SirFelixCat]

Thanks for the thought though, Greg :) How did FeLo score on a single? Advance on one of the fly outs?

[OnBaseMachine]

Casey takes a strike, strike 2 swinging, wild pitch moves Kearns to second, Casey grounded out to the right side for the fifty-billionth time this season.

[oneupper]

Thanks for the thought though, Greg :) How did FeLo score on a single? Advance on one of the fly outs?

Capuano threw an ORTIZ to first on a pickoff attempt. FeLo went to third.

[GAC]

I'm starting to feel like Thoroughgood's "I Drink Alone" in chat!

Leadoff Hr by the rookie Weeks to tie the game 1-1.

[OnBaseMachine]

Weeks homers on a 1-0 pitch.

[GAC]

Overbay walks. I don't think Hudson wanting any part of him.

Carlos Lee up with 1 down and man on 1B

[oneupper]

Weeks homers on a 1-0 pitch.

You can't throw a fastball to Weeks. He can't hit ANY breaking stuff, but he KILLs fastballs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Overbay walks on four pitches.

Carl Lindner owns 51% of the Reds. Overbay owns the other 49%; he is 16 for 23 vs the Reds this season(.696/.741/1.478-2.219).

[GAC]

Hit by Lee

1st and 3rd now

[brewcitydude25]

2-1 Brewers. SAC Fly for Jenks. Hello Reds fans

[GAC]

Whew! Kearns hauled that one in by Jenkins 2 down but the sac fly gives the Brewers a 2-1 lead. Would have been out at GAB

[GAC]

Got out of the inning on some bad base running

[SirFelixCat]

You can't throw a fastball to Weeks. He can't hit ANY breaking stuff, but he KILLs fastballs.

WMP, is that you??? :eek:

[GAC]

Dunn, leading off the 2nd, walks

[GAC]

LaRue singles Dunn to 2B no outs

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn falls behind 1-2 but works the count for a walk. Four walks in his last six plate appearances.

LaRue singles.

[SirFelixCat]

How funny, yet sad, is it that when referring to a "named" play, we all know what it is?

Milton - HR
Casey - DP
Ortiz - Wild Pickoff

:giggleyetcryatthesametime:


And thanks oneupper on the Ortiz play.

Welcome Brewerfan ;)

[flyer85]

key to success vs Capuano is being patient. je likes to get guys out chasing balls

[GAC]

EE hanging tough

CHAT IS OPEN!

[GAC]

errant pickoff throw back to 2B to try and get Adam, but Dunn is unable to advance to 3B.

EE K's one out

[flyer85]

terrible bunt. have to bunt the ball up the third base line

[GAC]

bunt, but they get the lead runner at 3B. 2 down

[GAC]

It's all about doing the little things.

[GAC]

Lopez hits into a FC to end the inning - stranding two

[KronoRed]

It's all about doing the little things.

Little things are not friendly to us ;)

[flyer85]

it is very tiring watching Hudson ... he has no clue where the ball is going. At 28 there is little hope for eventual success

[OnBaseMachine]

Hudson has thrown eight straight balls after striking Miller out on three pitches.

Make that ten straight balls. 2-0 count on Capuano.

[KronoRed]

Very Rich Vaughn right now ;)

[GAC]

Nice play by EE to end the inning and strand two.

2-1 Brewers going to the 3rd

[GAC]

36 pitches by Hudson thru 2 innings

[oneupper]

Nice play by EE to end the inning and strand two.

2-1 Brewers going to the 3rd

No fastballs to WEEKS. Hudson threw him 5 breaking balls (looked like curves) and one FB outside.

[OnBaseMachine]

36 pitches by Hudson thru 2 innings

22 balls, 15 strikes.

[GAC]

People need to come into chat. oneupper and I are drinking all the beer! :lol:

[GAC]

Grande says Aurilia plays every position well. Someone give me a beer! :lol:

[GAC]

RA HR! Everyone arguing. It was down the 3B foul line. tight. See what happens

[GAC]

Thats a foul ball IMO

[GAC]

No Hr. Calling RA back and give him a strike. Now explaining it to Narron.

[OnBaseMachine]

Thats a foul ball IMO

sssssshhhhh! Don't tell the umps.

[GAC]

RA back hitting with a 0-1 count

[GAC]

GO to 3b. 1 down. Jr up

[flyer85]

RA gets himself out for the 2nd time on a ball 6 inches off the ground

[GAC]

Jr walks

[GAC]

Ears K's

2 down

[NC Reds]

Kearns has too much talent just to stand there like a statue at the plate. :confused:

[flyer85]

my gosh ... he is slow

[GAC]

Wow! Jr safe at home on Dunn's single! Good throw, but terrible effort by the catcher. he could have had Jr. Nice slide by Jr.

2-2 now

[GAC]

GO to SS by LaRue. Inning over

2-2 tie

[flyer85]

Larue gets himself out swinging at one on the ground. If the Reds woul quit chasing balls they could get Capuano out of there

[GAC]

Capuana pitch count near 60 after 3 innings

[GAC]

Nice play by Lopez in the dirt to get leadoff Hall.

1 down

[Tornon]

Hopefully Hudson is starting to settle down a bit

[GAC]

Overbay got under that one. FO to Ears. 2 down

[REDREAD]

what inning is it? I just tuned in. I assume it's still tied.

[Tornon]

Bottom of 3, 2-2

[REDREAD]

never mind, I heard them say it's the 3rd.

[GAC]

Lee rips it into the left field corner for a dbl.

[REDREAD]

Bottom of 3, 2-2

thanks!

[Tornon]

Lee doubles to left, 1 on 2 out

[flyer85]

another above the belt down the middle fastball to Lee

[Tornon]

Jenkins grounds out, 2-2 after 3

[GAC]

GO to RA. inning over going to the 4th - 2-2.

How are the Bengals doing tonight? Anyone?

[REDREAD]

Hudson flirts with danger and gets out..

I'm really starting to think Hudson is #4-5 starter material at best. He serves a purpose while he's still cheap, but I'm not sure he'll ever put it together.

[Tornon]

According to yahoo, bengals are down 10-6 at the beginning of the 3rd quarter

[GAC]

EE, Hudson, Lopez due up

[Falls City Beer]

Hudson flirts with danger and gets out..

I'm really starting to think Hudson is #4-5 starter material at best. He serves a purpose while he's still cheap, but I'm not sure he'll ever put it together.

Has the guy strung together two consecutive healthy months...in his career?

[Tornon]

EdE with a bomb! 3-2 reds

[REDREAD]

HR EE! That kid is awesome!

[GAC]

EE just hits #3 to left-center field

3-2 Reds!

[Tornon]

Hudson Ks

[flyer85]

Dunn is now hitting .289 with RISP. I don't understand, can't BF come and explain how that could be?

[Tornon]

Lopez walks on 4 pitches, 1 on 1 out

[GAC]

Lopez walks

[GAC]

Dunn is now hitting .289 with RISP. I don't understand, can't BF come and explain how that could be?

He can, but you'd need a translator! :p:

[deltachi8]

Dunn is now hitting .289 with RISP. I don't understand, can't BF come and explain how that could be?

Facts and logic are the to BF are the same as kryptonite to Superman.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn is now hitting .289 with RISP. I don't understand, can't BF come and explain how that could be?

BF only shows up when Dunn is struggling.

[Tornon]

RA gets ahead 3-0 but boom boom boom & strikes out looking

[flyer85]

Dunn(a bad hitter) has hit 18 HRs with runners on while D Lee (a good hitter) has only hit 15 HRs with runners on. I do not understand

[Tornon]

Pitch #79 from capuano is strike 1 to griffey

[GAC]

RA k's

Jr up with 2 down and Lopez at 1st.

These are situations IMO, when Lopez should be able to steal to get into scoring position. He's weak in this area IMO.

[Tornon]

Griffey gets jammed & bloops out to 3rd.. 3-2 Reds middle of the 4th

[GAC]

Jr pop up/nub to 3B. Inning over.

3-2 Reds

[REDREAD]

nice to get the lead :)

[Tornon]

These are situations IMO, when Lopez should be able to steal to get into scoring position. He's weak in this area IMO.

I don't know if we would want Lopez running tonight with Griffey at the plate when Capuano has only allowed 1 SB all year

[Tornon]

Miller grounds to 3rd.. 1 out

[GAC]

More have showed up in chat. There is still room though!

[Tornon]

Branyan unloads on one that curves just foul

[Tornon]

and then he walks.. 1 on 1 out

[GAC]

Man! Just foul down the RF pole by Branyan. He nailed that one. close call

[Tornon]

Magruder pops to CF, 2 out

[Gallen5862]

I just got on. What is the score and what inning?

[Tornon]

Capuano Ks swining, 3-2 Reds after 4

[REDREAD]

still 3-2

[GAC]

We're up to 7 in chat! There is still more room.

Wet T-shirt contest going on!

[REDREAD]

I just got on. What is the score and what inning?
after 4, 3-2 Reds

[Tornon]

Kearns lines a hit to center to lead off the 5th

[GAC]

Ears singles to lead off the 5th

[Tornon]

c'mon casey we could use a MILTON rather than a CASEY here

[REDREAD]

We're up to 7 in chat! There is still more room.

Wet T-shirt contest going on!

man, we don't want to see you in a wet Tshirt :lol:

I'm pretty bandwidth challenged tonight. I'm about 4 hours into a 27 hour download .. dial up sucks at times :lol:

[Tornon]

casey with a HUDSON, 1st & 2nd no one out for adam

[Tornon]

Dunn pops out to first, 1 out

[Tornon]

Larue lines a hit to right, kearns scores.. 4-2 Reds

[REDREAD]

WAy to go LARue! Drives in KEarns!

[GAC]

LaRue singles in a run

4-2 Reds

Pitching change

[Tornon]

Capuano done after 4 1/3

[NC Reds]

Larue is a keeper. I can't see dealing him in the offseason.

4-2 good guys.

[REDREAD]

Larue is a keeper. I can't see dealing him in the offseason.

4-2 good guys.
agree completely, he's the most underrated player on the REds.

[Tornon]

EdE bounces out to the pitcher, LaRue moves up & Casey stays at 3rd. 2nd & 3rd 2 out

[Bobcat J]

agree completely, he's the most underrated player on the REds.

For as completely rancid as LaRue's play was early in the season, he sure has put together a very nice year.

[Tornon]

Hudson with an infield single up the middle.. RBI!

[REDREAD]

Hudson with infield hit, 5-2 Reds

[Tornon]

Hudson now hitting .316, & .333(3 for 9) w/ RISP

[REDREAD]

For as completely rancid as LaRue's play was early in the season, he sure has put together a very nice year.

That's the type of player he is.. Very Aaron Boone like. He has his hot and cold spells. Well, maybe not quite as streaky as Boone, but he sure seems streaky.

[Tornon]

FeLo walks, bases loaded w/ 2 out

[REDREAD]

Bases loaded for "the Man" Aurilla :)

[flyer85]

Reds hitters show some patience ... then RA comes up

[GAC]

having a hard time doing pbp with so many in chat- sorry.

I'm just a popular guy! ;)

5-2 Reds in the 5th

[oneupper]

FeLo walks, bases loaded w/ 2 out

FeLo's patient again...good.

[REDREAD]

Lopez must be back in Marty's doghouse. Marty got one of his digs in "Despite his recent struggles, he's still leading SS in extra base hits" (or doubles, I wasn't paying that much attention).

[Tornon]

Aurilia Ks swinging, 5-2 reds middle of the 5th

[flyer85]

Rich screws himself into the ground swinging at another ball. Ks for the third out

[GAC]

A 3 hitter for Hudson so far. Good outing (so far)

9 hits for the Reds

[REDREAD]

Rich, Rich, how could you K in that situation :(

[OnBaseMachine]

I'm glad Rich is batting second. Thanks Narron! :bang:

[Aronchis]

Somebody needs give Rich a side-suplex.

[flyer85]

Lopez must be back in Marty's doghouse. Marty got one of his digs in "Despite his recent struggles, he's still leading SS in extra base hits" (or doubles, I wasn't paying that much attention).I quit listening this year. Marty seems to be his own biggest fan ... he doesn't need me.

[flyer85]

I'm glad Rich is batting second. Thanks Narron! :bang:if Rich has to play he should bat 8th.

[REDREAD]

I'm glad Rich is batting second. Thanks Narron! :bang:
Yep, as one of the few that likes Aurillia, even I agree that batting him #2 is not utilizing him properly.

[Tornon]

Weeks with a HR to RF

[GAC]

Weeks with his 2nd Hr

5-3 now

[REDREAD]

crap, Weeks HR

[NC Reds]

We missed a chance to put this game away.

Rich Aurilia with a poor audition tonight for contending teams.

[OnBaseMachine]

Weeks homers again.

[flyer85]

I don't think Hudson will survive the 5th

[Tornon]

Hall walks

[REDREAD]

I bet you're right, Hudson won't make it through the inning. He just can't throw strikes effectively tonight.

[GAC]

EE error? 1st and 2nd with ZERO outs

Handcuffed

[flyer85]

Hudson is to pitching as a shotgun is to shooting

[REDREAD]

I smell danger.

[GAC]

EE redeems himself on that play by reaching into the Brewers dugout

1 out

[flyer85]

I smell danger.I got a whiff of that before the inning started. Hudson in nothing but smoke and mirrors

[westofyou]

IMO RA is a hard player to like, he is streaky and his value is all tied up in his BA, he usually has his hits in bunches and has only had one game with more than 1 EBH. His speed is Caseyrific and his fielding is about as flashy as banana seat on a Huffy.

After all the smoke blown all spring about his leadership abilities, all I smell is the pee that put put that campfire.

He can't become an ex Red soon enough in my world.

[GAC]

They best be geting this BP going. Hudson startting to struggle.

[GAC]

HUGE K there on Jenkins!

Nice pitch!

2 outs

[oneupper]

Weeks homers again.

Did they throw him a fastball?
(I missed it)

[GAC]

GO to Lopez. Out of trouble. Inning over. Nice job Huds!

[NC Reds]

I wouldn't let Hudson pitch the sixth.

He gets credit for getting out of that jam though. Jenkins bailed him out big time.

[Falls City Beer]

IMO RA is a hard player to like, he is streaky and his value is all tied up in his BA, he usually has his hits in bunches and has only had one game with more than 1 EBH. His speed is Caseyrific and his fielding is about as flashy as banana seat on a Huffy.

After all the smoke blown all spring about his leadership abilities, all I smell is the pee that put put that campfire.

He can't become an ex Red soon enough in my world.

I bet his banana seat smells like pee.

[LvJ]

Good job, Cool Luke. Keep it cool, keep it cool.

[REDREAD]

I wouldn't let Hudson pitch the sixth.

He gets credit for getting out of that jam though. Jenkins bailed him out big time.

I agree. It's best to be thankful Hudson escaped that inning. Don't push your luck and stay with him. He's on the edge of disaster.

[Aronchis]

I would love to use Rich as a test subject for some wrestling moves, the back-suplex, the piledriver, the clothsline, the powerslam and finally a jackknife power bomb from Dunn.

[REDREAD]

IMO RA is a hard player to like, he is streaky and his value is all tied up in his BA,

Rich slugs pretty well for a MI. He needs to bat 6th or 7th, not 2nd.

It's nice to get a little power from a middle infielder in the bottom of the order.

[REDREAD]

Good grief Casey, pay attention! No excuse for you to get picked off.

[flyer85]

how does Casey get picked off?

[Falls City Beer]

Kearns goes from a patient hitter to an impatient hitter overnight.

[GAC]

Casey picked off 1st :lol:

[NC Reds]

:confused:

Was Sean too busy chatting up Overbay to notice the pick-off?

[REDREAD]

how does Casey get picked off?

Did anyone see him on TV? Was he yacking with the opposing 1b?

I swear, Casey has his head up his rear at times. No excuse for him to be picked off. He's never going to steal, he should only take a safe lead.

[LvJ]

Ummm

[flyer85]

Kearns goes from a patient hitter to an impatient hitter overnight.there a number of Reds hitters who have gotten themselves out on pitchers pitches with no strikes. if there had been more patience this game would be out of reach

[flyer85]

sean took his lead without keeping his eye on the pitcher.

[REDREAD]

Now, there's a good one from Marty .. "This may be the ugliest quality start I've ever seen"

[GAC]

how does Casey get picked off?

he as one step off 1st!... too far! :lol:

[SteelSD]

Rich slugs pretty well for a MI. He needs to bat 6th or 7th, not 2nd.

It's nice to get a little power from a middle infielder in the bottom of the order.

Oh, I agree on the concept of getting a little power from a middle infielder at the bottom of the order.

That being said, Aurilia's days of being an effective middle infielder are long gone. Play him enough and his deficiencies (both defensive and offensive) get exposed.

Of course, he still thinks he's a starter and his behavior negates any intangible value he has to the club because he won't let go of that concept.

He needs to go yesterday.

[westofyou]

Rich slugs pretty well for a MI. He needs to bat 6th or 7th, not 2nd.

It's nice to get a little power from a middle infielder in the bottom of the order.

I'll trade a little power for a fast guy who gets on base who can field and do other things at that position. Back in the 60's the world fell in love with the good field SS who could hit 15 HR's, most couldn't get on base to save their lives. That's your Reds and Giants SS in the 60's. Getting on base is more important than almost anything. 310 PA's for Aurilia this season, if I just had that fact about the Reds at this point in the season and nothing else, I would bet that they were under .500.

[Falls City Beer]

there a number of Reds hitters who have gotten themselves out on pitchers pitches with no strikes. if there had been more patience this game would be out of reach

Nah, all season Kearns game has shifted from patience to overanxiousness. The kid needs a change of scenery or his game may have taken that final turn into the abyss.

[GAC]

Now, there's a good one from Marty .. "This may be the ugliest quality start I've ever seen"

5 hits and 3 runs. I'll take it. But 100 pitches, 5 BB's, thru 6 ain't too hot though.

[westofyou]

Nah, all season Kearns game has shifted from patience to overanxiousness. The kid needs a change of scenery or his game may have taken that final turn into the abyss.

All year actually. When Kearns came up he walked every 8 PA's, the next two years he was under 9. This year he's at 11.. like Nigel.

[flyer85]

5 hits and 3 runs. I'll take it. But 100 pitches, 5 BB's, thru 6 ain't too hot though.Hudson got lucky, that is all. You can't walk guys at a rate of 6 per 9IP and have success, unless you have Nolan Ryans stuff.

[westofyou]

Hudson got lucky, that is all. You can't walk guys at a rate of 6 per 9IP and have success, unless you have Nolan Ryans stuff.

Bob Feller 1938 and 1955 Bob Turley or Herb Score that year.

[RosieRed]

Kearns is 2-for-4 tonight and hitting like .280 since he came back. Why the negativity re: Kearns tonight? :dunno:

[flyer85]

Bob Feller 1938 and 1955 Bob Turley or Herb Score that year.luke Hudson has never been confused with having the stuff of Feller and Score.

[flyer85]

Kearns is 2-for-4 tonight and hitting like .280 since he came back. Why the negativity re: Kearns tonight? :dunno:He has developed a habit of getting himself out on pitchers pitches early in the count. Can't be successful in the long run by hitting with that approach. In addition, that .280 is with diminshed walks and little power.

[Falls City Beer]

Kearns is 2-for-4 tonight and hitting like .280 since he came back. Why the negativity re: Kearns tonight? :dunno:

.738 OPS from a right fielder with 231 ABs is terrible. And really he's been only marginally better since returning from Louisville.

I defended the guy because I thought he was hurt, but his game's gone totally in the crapper.

[REDREAD]

I'll trade a little power for a fast guy who gets on base who can field and do other things at that position..

I agree with you and Steel that his fielding skills have declined. That said, Freel isn't exactly a gold glover either.

Freel has the OBP and speed, but no power at all.

I do agree that Freel is having a better year.

But if we are talking in generalities, it depends on the makeup of the team. The Reds as constructed now don't really need Rich's power. Freel is better in their lineup. A power starved team might be better off sacrificing a little OBP for power from their MI. Again, I'm talking generalities here. And when you factor price into the equation (limited budget), sometimes you have to wonder if a premium OBP MI is worth it (for example, is Castillo of the Marlins worth it? about 5 million)

[flyer85]

this game just feels like a loss

[GAC]

Hudson got lucky, that is all. You can't walk guys at a rate of 6 per 9IP and have success, unless you have Nolan Ryans stuff.

Watching the game - I wouldn't say it was simply luck. he made some darn good pitches when he had to.

[REDREAD]

5 hits and 3 runs. I'll take it. But 100 pitches, 5 BB's, thru 6 ain't too hot though.

It was a Steve Parris type start.. 10 baserunners in 6 IP, but managed to wiggle his way out. :) But I'll take it too.

[OnBaseMachine]

Kearns is 2-for-4 tonight and hitting like .280 since he came back. Why the negativity re: Kearns tonight? :dunno:

Since returning, Kearns has been beat up on after every atbat that resulted in an out. I don't really understand it, dude is OPSing around .840 since his return. And his plate discipline has been much better this month(four walks in 24 atbats).

[flyer85]

Watching the game - I wouldn't say it was simply luck. he made some darn good pitches when he had to.I would say he made some darn lucky pitches when he had to. If he had command he wouldn't have walked all those hitters.

[pedro]

jesus, you guys are a bucket full of sunshine.

[Tornon]

Good ol' 9-3 Double play

[REDREAD]

nice DP by KEArns.

[Kc61]

That was a tremendous play by Mr. Kearns.

[westofyou]

.738 OPS from a right fielder with 231 ABs is terrible. And really he's been only marginally better since returning from Louisville.

I defended the guy because I thought he was hurt, but his game's gone totally in the crapper.

.281/.344/.491/.835 since he came back plus he's playing the game with his glove too.

I ain't complaining, not everyone has the same path.

[GAC]

What a play by Ears! Got the ball on the warning track and dbl'd Weeks off 1st. Bad decision by Weeks. Inning over!

[Falls City Beer]

Since returning, Kearns has been bashed after every atbat that resulted in an out. I don't really understand it, dude is OPSing around .840 since his return. And his plate discipline has been much better this month(four walks in 24 atbats).

When he was demoted he was OPSing .725. Now it's .738. That's a crummy season by any metric. Yeah, he's been a little better, but he's basically a slow singles hitter.

[westofyou]

jesus, you guys are a bucket full of sunshine.

Don't call me Jesus...

[Tornon]

Standridge has been pretty good with us so far

[RosieRed]

Since returning, Kearns has been beat up on after every atbat that resulted in an out. I don't really understand it, dude is OPSing around .840 since his return. And his plate discipline has been much better this month(four walks in 24 atbats).

I don't get it either. Oh well, I like the guy and that's good enough for me.

[flyer85]

Since returning, Kearns has been bashed after every atbat that resulted in an out. I don't really understand it, dude is OPSing around .840 since his return. And his plate discipline has been much better this month(four walks in 24 atbats).I am not ready to give up on AK. He has been better but only marginally. The Reds still have the 5 in 4 problem which if they solved might aloow someone to blossom.

[Aronchis]

Standridge may be luckier than Hudson

[flyer85]

Standridge has been pretty good with us so farhe has shown some potential but has been very fortunate

[westofyou]

When he was demoted he was OPSing .725. Now it's .738. That's a crummy season by any metric. Yeah, he's been a little better, but he's basically a slow singles hitter.

17 games and 57 ab's since he came back and he's 25 years old, I'll hold off writing him off.

[Kc61]

I'm really down on AK as a hitter, but he really plays nice right field. That play was justs outstanding. Good running catch in deep right followed by throw to first to get runner.

[GAC]

.281/.344/.491/.835 since he came back plus he's playing the game with his glove too.

I ain't complaining, not everyone has the same path.

I agree woy. Do you think alot of it has to do with playing more consistently on a day to day basis also? You have to get into a rhythm.

[Falls City Beer]

I am not ready to give up on AK. He has been better but only marginally. The Reds still have the 5 in 4 problem which if they solved might aloow someone to blossom.

True enough. I think the guy still has a shred of hope. Probably not with this ballclub--that milk is spilt, IMO.

[REDREAD]

jesus, you guys are a bucket full of sunshine.
:lol: DanO makes losing seasons seem a lot longer .

I think Kearns will bounce back. I'm not worried about him.

[OSURedLeg]

Standridge may be luckier than Hudson

So is anyone for the Reds out there right now not lucky? I've never seen so much complaining for a game we're winning in my life. Standridge continues to perform, and it's beginning to show that it's more due to a very successful conversion to the bullpen rather than good fortune EVERY time he's out there. Gimme a break.

[OnBaseMachine]

Kearns has seven extra-base hits in 57 atbats, or one XBH/8.14 atbats. Not bad at all. Plus his defense has been spectacular since returning. I still like the guy, and I stand by my prediction that he will OPS over .900 next season.

[Falls City Beer]

So is anyone for the Reds out there right now not lucky? I've never seen so much complaining for a game we're winning in my life. Standridge continues to perform, and it's beginning to show that it's more due to a very successful conversion to the bullpen rather than good fortune EVERY time he's out there. Gimme a break.

Promise you'll eat your crow without complaining? :devil:

[TeamBoone]

jesus, you guys are a bucket full of sunshine.

I agree. Kinda sucks all the fun out of it.

[REDREAD]

Way to go Aurilla :laugh:

[GAC]

So is anyone for the Reds out there right now not lucky? I've never seen so much complaining for a game we're winning in my life. Standridge continues to perform, and it's beginning to show that it's more due to a very successful conversion to the bullpen rather than good fortune EVERY time he's out there. Gimme a break.

We strive for perfection. :lol:

[Falls City Beer]

Kind of funny. I was one of like two people defending Kearns after the demotion fiasco--now they're crawling out of the woodwork. Life's strange.

[flyer85]

Standrige - high ratio, low BABIP, low K rate. That is not a recipe for success. His only discernable skill has been the ability to keep the ball in the park.

[OnBaseMachine]

Travis Wood sent Ogden down in order in his first inning of work tonight. Two flyouts and a strikeout.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&did=milb&t=g_box&gid=2005_08_12_bilrok_ogdrok_1

[OnBaseMachine]

Kind of funny. I was one of like two people defending Kearns after the demotion fiasco--now they're crawling out of the woodwork. Life's strange.

I was one of those two people.

[westofyou]

So is anyone for the Reds out there right now not lucky?

Of course, plus their opponents are always making mistakes... never actually "beating" the Reds, all Red failures are a result of being a Red and all Red victories are a result of the opponent's failure to complete a simple task.

It's like being married.

[REDREAD]

Kind of funny. I was one of like two people defending Kearns after the demotion fiasco--now they're crawling out of the woodwork. Life's strange.

That's because Kearns has been "Sent the message", he's been humbled/humiliated now, so people are pulling for him.

Personally, I think he should've never been sent down in the first place.

If DanO had half a brain, he would've chosen between Pena and Kearns over the winter and dealt the other one for pitching. Instead, DanO had to screw around with moving Kearns to 3b, the demotion, etc.

[westofyou]

Kind of funny. I was one of like two people defending Kearns after the demotion fiasco--now they're crawling out of the woodwork. Life's strange.

Bwhahahahahaha..... "defending him"

Who cares?

He needed to get away and get his game/life together, I myself don't care that he had to do it in the ML, why should we?

He makes 900 K a year and is playing better now than he was when he was lanquishing around in May.

I defend the Reds for having the cajones to say, "go work it out"

[TeamBoone]

True enough. I think the guy still has a shred of hope. Probably not with this ballclub--that milk is spilt, IMO.

A shred? Tough observer.

[REDREAD]

I was one of those two people.

There was probably about a dozen. We were definitely in the minority.

[NC Reds]

I think Kearns has been significantly better since his return from Louisville. I just wish he would get dialed in like he was before the King collision.

I would still keep Kearns and play him every day in 2006. I'm a fan.

[pedro]

Kind of funny. I was one of like two people defending Kearns after the demotion fiasco--now they're crawling out of the woodwork. Life's strange.

Yeah, but you turned on him as soon as he returned. A lot of us thought he needed a wake up call and believe he is playing better, although not up to his potential, since he returned. I don't think anybody thought Kearns should be sent down because he was never going to make it in the majors, as you seem to think is the case now. I don't see why you are so hard in your evaluation of him when you were so quick to defend him when he wasn't even playing this well. I just find it odd, because typically I find you rather rational, but not so much on this one.

[Aronchis]

If the Reds decide to build again, for a winner next year. Pena IMO is gone. Denorfia is ready.

If they decide to rebuild, it is possible Griffey and Casey are both gone so they can give all the younger players playing time.

I guess it "depends" on who is running things.

[flyer85]

If the Reds decide to build againthe problem with this year was they made a decision to do neither.

[REDREAD]

Come on, let's get through this inning.. I don't want another collapse vs the brewers.

[Aronchis]

the problem with this year was they made a decision to do neither.

That is because of ownership. Though, if you think they are going to make a move to win again next year, then they didn't do neither.

[Falls City Beer]

Bwhahahahahaha..... "defending him"

Who cares?

He needed to get away and get his game/life together, I myself don't care that he had to do it in the ML, why should we?

He makes 900 K a year and is playing better now than he was when he was lanquishing around in May.

I defend the Reds for having the cajones to say, "go work it out"

Yeah, so people can point to a decent two weeks and try to establish a causal relationship between being sent down and "improvement."

I don't find that rational. The fact is that the guy's had a half season of ABs at the MLB level and he's been horrid. I held out hope that the gaudy Louisville numbers would make their way back to Cincinnati. It hasn't happened. His game, like Jimenez's, is in the dumper. I honestly think the guy CAN turn it around (oh, in, say, Oakland, where he'll be encouraged to improve, not threatened with punishment), but not in the cesspool that is Cincinnati.

[GAC]

Man! 3 straight K's by this BP with bases loaded. Hats off to this BP! WOW!

[NC Reds]

Weathers was awesome there. :cool:

I don't want to see Turnbow and a deficit this series. He's nasty.

[REDREAD]

outstanding work Weathers!

[flyer85]

That is because of ownership. Though, if you think they are going to make a move to win again next year, then they didn't do neither.if they were going to build for the future they would have traded Case and not signed and traded for the pitching. If they were trying to win this year then they had to trade one of the young OFs to acquire more pitching. They tried to have it both ways, kinda build for the future while kinda trying to win. We saw how that worked out. Just more signs of a clueless FO.

[RosieRed]

Man! 3 straight K's by this BP with bases loaded. Hats off to this BP! WOW!

Indeed!

[Falls City Beer]

Where did the Brewers pick up Turnbow? He's had himself a pretty great season--with one pitch.

[westofyou]

His game, like Jimenez's, is in the dumper.

Don't see it, he's played way better in the field than any other Reds OF in the past 3 weeks, improved his K rate from 1/3.4 to 1/5.1

It's a long season and his doesn't look like it's over yet, despite your declaration that it is.

[flyer85]

Where did the Brewers pick up Turnbow? He's had himself a pretty great season--with one pitch.a waiver claim

[westofyou]

a waiver claim

From the Angels....

[flyer85]

Wood 2IP nothing but 2 Ks

[Falls City Beer]

Don't see it, he's played way better in the field than any other Reds OF in the past 3 weeks, improved his K rate from 1/3.4 to 1/5.1

It's a long season and his doesn't look like it's over yet, despite your declaration that it is.

The guy is allergic to walks anymore--like Wily Mo allergic.

[REDREAD]

. I honestly think the guy CAN turn it around (oh, in, say, Oakland, where he'll be encouraged to improve, not threatened with punishment), but not in the cesspool that is Cincinnati.

I agree that he has been handled terribly. I'm sure he's counting down the days until he's out of here.

[Aronchis]

if they were going to build for the future they would have traded Case and not signed and traded for the pitching. If they were trying to win this year then they had to trade one of the young OFs to acquire more pitching. They tried to have it both ways, kinda build for the future while kinda trying to win. We saw how that worked out. Just more signs of a clueless FO.

Don't agree. O'brien future is cloudy, as well as the ownership structure for next season. Basically, the extra baggage where the Reds had a viable young replacement, 3rd base was traded and Aurilia. That was it.

The time for winning THIS year is over due to the awfull start, but NEXT year is just around the corner. If you fail once, try yet again. With the clouds lifted during the fall, all will become clear.

[Falls City Beer]

Don't agree. O'brien future is cloudy, as well as the ownership structure for next season. Basically, the extra baggage where the Reds had a viable young replacement, 3rd base was traded and Aurilia. That was it.

The time for winning THIS year is over due to the awfull start, but NEXT year is just around the corner. If you fail once, try yet again. With the clouds lifted during the fall, all will become clear.

How do we know the clouds will be lifted?

And do we know that the Reds know what they're doing if they don't lift?

[westofyou]

The guy is allergic to walks anymore--like Wily Mo allergic.

Hyperbole Alert!!!

1 every 8 prior to this year 1 every 9 prior to the demotion and 1 every 11.4 since he came back. Kearns 23 BB this year is 48% of WMP career totals

[flyer85]

If you fail once, try yet again. With the clouds lifted during the fall, all will become clear.and what is abundantly clear is the pitching this team has is woefully inadequate in being able to compete. A few good weeks is nothing but a mirage. The question is will the FO be dumb enough to buy in.

[GAC]

Top of the Brewers order coming up. Lets hold'em, (and I'm not referring to our balls) :lol: