8/15 vs Giants

[flyer85]

1. R Winn, CF
2. O Vizquel, SS
3. J Snow, 1B
4. P Feliz, 3B
5. M Tucker, RF
6. R Durham, 2B
7. T Linden, LF
8. M Matheny, C
9. K Correia, P

1. R Freel, 2B
2. F Lopez, SS
3. K Griffey Jr., CF
4. A Dunn, LF
5. S Casey, 1B
6. A Kearns, RF
7. J LaRue, C
8. E Encarnacion, 3B
9. A Harang, P

[KronoRed]

Ever so close to being perfect ;)

[redsfan30]

Is the weather going to allow baseball tonight?

[NC Reds]

We blow them out tonight. :thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

Is the weather going to allow baseball tonight?

Should.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang should have *no* problem holding the Giants under two runs tonight. That lineup is horrendous.

[capndees]

Ever so close to being perfect ;)

Switch Griffey and Dunn, and they'd have it.

[Gallen5862]

hi just got on any score?

[Tornon]

Winn lead off with a single, Vizquel popped out to Casey in foul territory, & Snow singled to right with Winn going to 3rd. 1st & 3rd 1 out for Feliz

[OnBaseMachine]

-Winn singles
-Vizquel popped out
-Snow singles on 0-2 pitch, Winn to third. 1 out.

[Tornon]

Feliz walks, bases loaded with 1 out

[Matt700wlw]

Harang having an un-Harang like start...

[Tornon]

Harang goes 3-0 on Tucker, works it back to 3-2, and then Tucker Ks looking

[Tony Cloninger]

Harang loves to have those 15-20 pitch innings....doesn't he?

[Tornon]

Harang proceeds to go 2-0 on Durham, but finds the strike zone earlier than he did with Tucker & throws 2 straight strikes before the count goes full and Durham Ks swinging. 31 pitches for Harang, no score middle of 1

[Gainesville Red]

Whew. Pretty uncomfortable 1/2 inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang escaspes a jam but throws 31 pitches.

[smith288]

Harang's a horse...that pitch count will even out

[Tony Cloninger]

So i guess pitch to contact is in order for the 2nd inning?

[Tornon]

Freel fouls off the first 5 pitches, before taking a ball, then fouling another off, and taking strike 3. 1 out

[Tornon]

Lopez Ks swinging, 2 out

[Tornon]

Griffey.. GONE!! 1-0 Reds

[reds44]

Jr!!!!!!!!!!

Dont Trade Him!

[NavyRedsFan]

HR Jr. REDS 1-0

[Matt700wlw]

He makes it look so easy...

[Gallen5862]

Junior career homerun 528 Reds lead 1-0. :thumbup: :party: :rockband:

[OnBaseMachine]

Felipe now 9 for his last 68. He is simply wearing down from not being accustomed to playing a full 162-game schedule.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list:

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Wally Post - 172
10. Gus Bell - 160
11. Joe Morgan - 152
11. Pete Rose - 152
13. Adam Dunn - 151
14. Lee May - 147
15. Dan Driessen - 133
16. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 130
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 116
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[Tornon]

Dunn.. GONE!! 2-0 Reds

[reds44]

Back 2 Back

[Matt700wlw]

He makes it look so easy...


Oh..and so does he

[NavyRedsFan]

HR Dunn REDS 2-0

[redsrule2500]

Nice HR's!!!

[Gainesville Red]

So now Dunn's tied w/ Joe Morgan and Pete Rose? That's pretty good.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list:

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Wally Post - 172
10. Gus Bell - 160
11. Joe Morgan - 152
11. Pete Rose - 152
11. Adam Dunn - 152
14. Lee May - 147
15. Dan Driessen - 133
16. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 130
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 116
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[Gallen5862]

Adam dunn hits a adam bomb. 2-0 Reds.

[Tornon]

Casey almost HRs to right center, but its off the wall for a 2B

[Matt700wlw]

Casey almost got one!

[redsfanmia]

I wonder what the attendence is tonight, there looks like alot of fans dressed as empty seats.

[Tornon]

Kearns grounds out to short, 2-0 Reds after 1

[smith288]

Did someone forget to pull the BP screen away from the mound?

[Gainesville Red]

The more they talk about Jr. getting traded, the more down I start to feel. I know financially it would be good for the club, and prospects are good for the club, but like I've said before, I like baseball to be fun, and Griffey is fun to watch. We'll see what happens I guess. Good inning.

[Kc61]

It would be easier to trade Griffey if Kearns/WMP were hitting.

[Matt700wlw]

The more they talk about Jr. getting traded, the more down I start to feel. I know financially it would be good for the club, and prospects are good for the club, but like I've said before, I like baseball to be fun, and Griffey is fun to watch. We'll see what happens I guess. Good inning.

I don't want him to go either...but it would help this club, financially. This team hasn't won with him, and that money can be used to lock Dunn up, and get pitching.

Plus...I want him to get a ring and he is running out of time

[Tornon]

Linden Ks looking, 1 out

[butlerbulldogs]

there is no one there, i'd say 18k

[Tornon]

Matheny Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 2 out

[redsrule2500]

Matheny K's, 4 straight Strikeouts

[redsfanmia]

The more they talk about Jr. getting traded, the more down I start to feel. I know financially it would be good for the club, and prospects are good for the club, but like I've said before, I like baseball to be fun, and Griffey is fun to watch. We'll see what happens I guess. Good inning.
I feel the same way, I want him to stay but I want him to win a championship, IM SO CONFUSED!

[Tornon]

Correia grounds out to Lopez, Harang now at 45 pitches. 2-0 Reds middle of 2

[TeamBoone]

So now Dunn's tied w/ Joe Morgan and Pete Rose? That's pretty good.

And, I'm assuming, in a much shorter time span?

[Gainesville Red]

Sounds quiet as a coffin on TV. Wish more people would come out to the ballpark. They should move it to my backyard. I can't promise more people would show up, (in fact I can promise less people would show up) but I'd come everynight. ;)

[TeamBoone]

The tennis masters is also going on in Cincy. Draws a ton.

[Matt700wlw]

Is Sharapova there?

[Super_Barry11]

Sounds quiet as a coffin on TV. Wish more people would come out to the ballpark. They should move it to my backyard. I can't promise more people would show up, (in fact I can promise less people would show up) but I'd come everynight. ;)

I'm going on Wednesday. :thumbup: (Not to your backyard though, luckily for you!) :)

[Big Klu]

And, I'm assuming, in a much shorter time span?

Joe Morgan (1972-79) -- 152 HRs
Pete Rose (1963-78, 84-86) -- 152 HRs
Adam Dunn (2001-05) -- 152 HRs

[OnBaseMachine]

And, I'm assuming, in a much shorter time span?

Atbats

Pete Rose-10,934
Joe Morgan-4,008.
Adam Dunn-2,119

[Tornon]

LaRue lines a single to left

[Aronchis]

Getting Young back from the White Sox just wouldn't make the Griffey deal good, but great. That way we could deal Pena as well.

[Gainesville Red]

I'm going on Wednesday. :thumbup: (Not to your backyard though, luckily for you!) :)

Suit yourself, but I've got lots of beer and pizza rolls. :beerme:

[Tornon]

Encarnacion grounds into a 6-4-3. 2 out, no one on

[OnBaseMachine]

I wonder if the Reds have any scouts at the Birmingham Barons game(Chisox AA affiliate) tonight? Chris Young is 0 for 2 with a walk. Kris Honel tossed six shutout innings while recording nine strikeouts.

[Tornon]

Harang, who still doesn't look like he knows what he's doing at the plate, grounds out to short. 2-0 Reds after 2

[Big Klu]

Drat that Omar! :p:

[TeamBoone]

Team Morris and I are going Saturday night. My birthday present... Club Seats! And Team Casey is baby sitting.

I'm so excited!

[Tornon]

Winn drills one out to right-center, 2-1 Reds

[redsfan30]

I'll be there Saturday as well for the fireworks.

It's a Monday night with questionable weather and there could be some schools back in session. Those kind of games aren't going to draw well, especially with the TMS in town.

[Tornon]

Vizquel grounds out to Encarnacion, 1 out

[capndees]

Dunn since All-Star Break (30 games):

.324/.425/.725, 11 HR, 31 RBI

[Tornon]

Snow lines a single up the middle

[OnBaseMachine]

Harang has been less than impressive against the second worst offense in baseball.

[KearnsyEars]

Gotta Love that Dunner has homered again!


34 and counting.....its gonna be a close call but if he can stay hot and stay "steady" he can do it I believe.

[Tornon]

Feliz walks

[Tornon]

Tucker lines out to Kearns, 2 out

[Tornon]

Durham Ks looking on 3 pitches, Harang now at 71 pitches. 2-1 Reds middle of 3

[KearnsyEars]

Kearns has been playing a nice RF lately.....

I don't care I want him to hit!

[capndees]

Gotta Love that Dunner has homered again!


34 and counting.....its gonna be a close call but if he can stay hot and stay "steady" he can do it I believe.

Win the home run crown? If Jones ever cools off.

At the beginning of the year i predicted Dunn would lead the NL with 52, and Teixeira the AL with 47.

[CTA513]

Harang has been less than impressive against the second worst offense in baseball.

Hes throwing almost nothing but fastballs with a few change ups and curve balls mixed in.

He goes 0-2 on Winn and throws a fastball right down the middle. :bang:

[flyer85]

Hancock gave up 10R-6ER in 2IP tonight.

[WMR]

watching junior go deep opposite field is a beautiful thing

[OnBaseMachine]

Felipe took two strikes and then swung at a pitch in the dirt, according to Gameday.

[RBA]

KEN GRIFFEY SINGLES 2 FOR 2 ON THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

KEN GRIFFEY SINGLES 2 FOR 2 ON THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

what?

[RBA]

BIG ADAM DUNN WALKS!

[Gainesville Red]

RBA needs a sedative or something.

[OnBaseMachine]

Correia pitched around Dunn. Two on for Casey.

[Falls City Beer]

BIG ADAM DUNN WALKS!

Freakazoid. Wind me up.

[OnBaseMachine]

Linden homers.

[Matt700wlw]

Linden? Who is he?

It's amazing how good the Reds pitching can make a bunch of nobodys....hopefully they stop now

[Matt700wlw]

Hancock only survives 2 innings in LOU tonight, giving up 10 runs



I'd say he's ready :p:

[Gainesville Red]

Is Winn a triple away from the cycle? Good Lord.

[capndees]

Linden? Who is he?

Todd Linden, career (54 games):

.181/.252/.290, 3 HR, 14 RBI

The next Barry Bonds, no doubt.

[CTA513]

Harang is getting guys to chance that breaking pitch, but still hasnt thrown it much.

[NC Reds]

Ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gainesville Red]

Kearns absolutley CRUSHED that ball!

[Matt700wlw]

Larue arguing...calling the ump a stupid dummy who sucks! :D

[Falls City Beer]

This game is moving at crock-pot pace.

[TeamBoone]

Larue arguing...calling the ump a stupid dummy who sucks! :D

:p: I noticed that too.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn, Griffey and Kearns homer in the same game for the second time in the last seven days.

[capndees]

Kearns absolutley CRUSHED that ball!

LOL...Tonight is Game 1 of Season 3 for Kearns!

[Gainesville Red]

LOL...Tonight is Game 1 of Season 3 for Kearns!

Third tries a charm.

[WMR]

Griff now 6 hr from Foxx & 8 from the Mick

[CTA513]

the defense sure isnt helping Harang out.

[Matt700wlw]

This is not Harang's night....it happens.

Maybe sit him after this

[OnBaseMachine]

Nine hits and two walks allowed vs the second worst offense.

[WMR]

Giants now up one. 4-3 Giants

[Aronchis]

the defense sure isnt helping Harang out.

Neither is Harang pitching junk to junk hitters.

[Gainesville Red]

We need some more back to back homers.

[Falls City Beer]

Nine hits and two walks allowed vs the second worst offense.

The Giants got schooled by the Marlins' pitching staff over the weekend.

[Aronchis]

Somebody needs to give Freel and Lopez the smelling salts.

[KearnsyEars]

Kearns has been playing a nice RF lately.....

I don't care I want him to hit!

seems like every time i say he needs to get it going he comes up with a big hit.

Way to go austin!

[WMR]

Wow... Reds have best record in NL since All-Star break

[KearnsyEars]

Dunn, Griffey and Kearns homer in the same game for the second time in the last seven days.


its a beautiful thing

[RBA]

KEN GRIFFEY JR. WALKS!!! BIG DUNN UP!!!!

[KearnsyEars]

Kearns absolutley CRUSHED that ball!

where was it? To left field, center field, or right field?

[RBA]

*******SEAN CASEY WALKS BASES LOADED**************

[capndees]

Dunn's reached all 3 True Outcomes tonight....now he can relax and hit some ground balls.

[Gainesville Red]

Kearns is getting pretty good at giving souvineers to the fans behind the dugouts. Hold the bat, Austin!

[Matt700wlw]

Kearns must be using vasoline rather than pine tar

[Gainesville Red]

I guess tickets to reds games are pretty good. See some homeruns, probably get to take a bat home.

[Gainesville Red]

He threw the bat again!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

:lol:

[remdog]

The Giants appear to be pitching Kearnes inside, at least in this AB. Is it possible that they don't think he can get around on an inside pitch?

Rem

[KearnsyEars]

that sucks.

Kearns just didn't come through there after a great AB.

[OnBaseMachine]

Looks like Dunn yet again struckout on a bad pitch down. I don't remember him chasing that many bad pitches last season. If can learn to lay off that like he did the high and tight pitch, then he will be that much better.

Kearns swung at ball four.

[KearnsyEars]

does kearns appear uncoordinated or what sometimes, just like, ugly technique

[KearnsyEars]

Looks like Dunn yet again struckout on a bad pitch down. I don't remember him chasing that many bad pitches last season. If can learn to lay off that like he did the high and tight pitch, then he will be that much better.

Kearns swung at ball four.

but he is striking out at a lesser pace then last year and overall having better #'s per game

[Gainesville Red]

Winn hits for the cycle.

[CTA513]

lol Reds are giving this game away, what a joke.

[Falls City Beer]

Keisler. Turd feast.

[Matt700wlw]

Kiesler is just stellar...

[Gainesville Red]

Forget Ruhl coming out, get Narron out there. Keisler's got nuthin tonight.

[Red in Chicago]

isn't the keisler experiment over yet?

[Aronchis]

I remember when people were getting all hyped up with Keisler. I wouldn't be surprised if his frail body is ill again. He never has pitched overly healthy.

[OnBaseMachine]

but he is striking out at a lesser pace then last year and overall having better #'s per game

Dunn is having a spectacular season, I was just pointing out that if he can adjust to that pitch it will make him an even better player.

[CTA513]

Narron must have given up on this game.

[Red in Chicago]

4 straight runners reach base...how sickening...way to keep us in the game, dude :thumbdown

[NC Reds]

Keisler is playing his way off the 40-man roster.

[Gainesville Red]

Narron must have given up on this game.

Maybe his knees hurt. Used to be a catcher and all.

[Red in Chicago]

hey jerry, you're about 3 batters tooooooo late

[RFS62]

Todd cracks me up sprinting in from the bullpen

[Matt700wlw]

Keisler is playing his way off the 40-man roster.

He'll go when Hancock comes back...

[Super_Barry11]

Geez Randy... :(

Well, at least Coffey's in now... Getting to see him sprint in from the bullpen is always fun. :)

[WMR]

LOL Steve Stewart is talking about what a great performance Coffey had yesterday... all 3 outs were hit EXTREMELY hard, just right at ppl. Not a good performance at all.

[redsrule2500]

7 - 3 Giants :( :(

[Aronchis]

Did Coffey really touch 96mph last year?

[Matt700wlw]

Tonight looks more like the Reds...

[NC Reds]

I hate getting thumped by a bad team. We should have put them away early.

[Gainesville Red]

Tonight looks more like the Reds...

Hey, yeah, I remember this! It's the Reds! All kidding aside, winning is fun, but our pitching sucks.

[OnBaseMachine]

EE hits a one out double. Wily Mo pinch hitting for Coffey.

Pena walks on four pitches. :eek:

[OnBaseMachine]

FYI, the Reds have scored exactly 600 runs this season... fourth best in the majors.

[Gainesville Red]

Let's make it 605 and win this damn game.

[OnBaseMachine]

Freel grounded into a double play. :rolleyes:

[redsrule2500]

It's the curse of George Grande!!!!!! AHHH!!

[CTA513]

This home plate ump should lose his job.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bottom 7

-Lopez struckout
-Griffey popped out
-Dunn got ahead 3-0, called strike, flyout. It seems like Dunn has been doing that way too much lately...getting ahead 3-0 and finding a way to get out. It's happened atleast three or four times in the last week and a half. To be fair that 3-0 pitch looked high.

[OnBaseMachine]

This home plate ump should lose his job.

What did he do?

[Matt700wlw]

Nice. Dunn.

[Gainesville Red]

Yeah, that 3-0 pitch was shoulder high. Nice catch on the wall for Dunn.

[KronoRed]

Bottom 7

-Lopez struckout
-Griffey popped out
-Dunn got ahead 3-0, called strike, flyout. It seems like Dunn has been doing that way too much lately...getting ahead 3-0 and finding a way to get out. It's happened atleast three or four times in the last week and a half.

Hopefully it won't go on, a walk is better then an out.

[flyer85]

What did he do?the 3-0 pitch he called a strike on Dunn was 8-10 inches higher than any pitch he had called a strike the entire game. The Reds bench was all over him.

[OnBaseMachine]

the 3-0 pitch he called a strike on Dunn was 8-10 inches higher than any pitch he had called a strike the entire game. The Reds bench was all over him.

I've only caught about 15 games on TV or live in person this season but from what I've seen, the strikezone on Dunn is from his knees to his shoulders.

I watched the Cubs-Cards game last night and noticed something. The only way you can get a strike on Pujols is if it's right down the middle or he swings at it. They give him the Bonds strikezone. Albert Pujols and Anderson Machado should have the same strikezone. A 20 year vet and rookie should have the same strikezone. This special treatment for great hitters is crap!

[Gainesville Red]

Belisle's in to pitch. Wonder which Belisle'll show up. Wonder if it matter's. Also, Freel's quad is acting up again.

[oneupper]

I've only caught about 15 games on TV or live in person this season but from what I've seen, the strikezone on Dunn is from his knees to his shoulders.

I watched the Cubs-Cards game last night and noticed something. The only way you can get a strike on Pujols is if it's right down the middle or he swings at it. They give him the Bonds strikezone. Albert Pujols and Anderson Machado should have the same strikezone. A 20 year vet and rookie should have the same strikezone. This special treatment for great hitters is crap!

You even all that up with an automatic strike zone (Robo-ump). Still, lots of people think humans are "better". I don't understand it.

[OnBaseMachine]

Belisle sends them down in order.

[WMR]

Tonight's attendance: 17,777

[Gainesville Red]

I really like Flippy, but he is BAD right now. 3 K's and a walk tonight. Slump? Maybe after being in the league full time for long enough there's some kind of book on how to pitch him? Anyone?

[KronoRed]

Tonight's attendance: 17,777

A lot of them came as seats ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Felipe Alou delaying the inevitable :help:

[flyer85]

Felipe Alou delaying the inevitable :help:certasin managers just love to overmanage

[Gainesville Red]

Casey K's. This one most certainly doesn't belong to the Reds. We'll get em tommorow.

[flyer85]

I think I would try EE in the leadoff spot tomorrow

[oneupper]

That was a "i'm tired, I want to home call'' by the ump.

[jmcclain19]

I've only caught about 15 games on TV or live in person this season but from what I've seen, the strikezone on Dunn is from his knees to his shoulders.

I watched the Cubs-Cards game last night and noticed something. The only way you can get a strike on Pujols is if it's right down the middle or he swings at it. They give him the Bonds strikezone. Albert Pujols and Anderson Machado should have the same strikezone. A 20 year vet and rookie should have the same strikezone. This special treatment for great hitters is crap!

Greg Maddux has made his late career over his wide strike zone.

Things are better - there is no more Eric Gregg in the NLCS giving livan Hernandez a seven foot wide plate, but discrepency still exists in abundance

[WVRedsFan]

The last two games have proven one thing...well several.

Ryan Freel and Felipe Lopez are in horrible slumps. FeLo's BA is down to .273 and falling. Freel has an injury and he's not hitting well either. Both were over .300 at the AS break with OBP's near .400. Now, they are almost automatic outs. We can't afford that and win.

For those who advocate trading Griffey (to shore up money so the Reds can sign the next Eric Milton) or Dunn, look what our offense would have been without them tonight. They were the offense, as good players always are. I still contend that a Reds offense without Junior and Dunn (or either one of them) is pretty damn sorry. Together they have 164 RBI's. Next closest is Lopez with 56 (see slump above. Then comes Randa with 48 (he's not here anymore) and Casey with 47. After Rich Aurilia with 45, it drops off fast.

Randy "Special" K is stinking up the joint. Leave him on the bench, Jerry. The opposition doesn't need batting practice at our expense. And when you realize he doesn't have it if you must bring him in, quit having that pained look on your face and do the right thing...yank him out of there. I still think you need to just let him rot in the bullpen. And don't wait for Hancock to come back. He has just as many problems.

If Lopez starts hitting and Freel can stay healthy (which I think at this point is simply a pipe dream) and we somehow decide that no matter how much money we save from getting rid of the Kid or Dunn won't give us Roger Clemons, but Sidney Ponson, this club can get to .500. Oh yeah..and our two best starters--Claussen and Harang--get the support they need. It's hard to fathom that those two guys are the only two who have lost in the last seven games. In order to win, this team must score runs and any lineup minus Griffey and Dunn will not.

[Aronchis]

The last two games have proven one thing...well several.

Ryan Freel and Felipe Lopez are in horrible slumps. FeLo's BA is down to .273 and falling. Freel has an injury and he's not hitting well either. Both were over .300 at the AS break with OBP's near .400. Now, they are almost automatic outs. We can't afford that and win.

For those who advocate trading Griffey (to shore up money so the Reds can sign the next Eric Milton) or Dunn, look what our offense would have been without them tonight. They were the offense, as good players always are. I still contend that a Reds offense without Junior and Dunn (or either one of them) is pretty damn sorry. Together they have 164 RBI's. Next closest is Lopez with 56 (see slump above. Then comes Randa with 48 (he's not here anymore) and Casey with 47. After Rich Aurilia with 45, it drops off fast.

Randy "Special" K is stinking up the joint. Leave him on the bench, Jerry. The opposition doesn't need batting practice at our expense. And when you realize he doesn't have it if you must bring him in, quit having that pained look on your face and do the right thing...yank him out of there. I still think you need to just let him rot in the bullpen. And don't wait for Hancock to come back. He has just as many problems.

If Lopez starts hitting and Freel can stay healthy (which I think at this point is simply a pipe dream) and we somehow decide that no matter how much money we save from getting rid of the Kid or Dunn won't give us Roger Clemons, but Sidney Ponson, this club can get to .500. Oh yeah..and our two best starters--Claussen and Harang--get the support they need. It's hard to fathom that those two guys are the only two who have lost in the last seven games. In order to win, this team must score runs and any lineup minus Griffey and Dunn will not.

Then Griffey get injured next year. Don't be shortsighted. Griffey also will be 36 years old and the White Sox are dangling a great prospect like Young in front of your place, a good defensive CENTERFIELDER by the way, you better be talking and Lindner better be dealing. It opens so many possibilities.

[WVRedsFan]

Then Griffey get injured next year. Don't be shortsighted. Griffey also will be 36 years old and the White Sox are dangling a great prospect like Young in front of your place, a good defensive CENTERFIELDER by the way, you better be talking and Lindner better be dealing. It opens so many possibilities.

Will he have 80+ RBI's and 26 homers by August? Are you sure Junior will get hurt. Or are you so sure Young will not get hurt? Are you prepared to pay all those millions to watch Griffey get to 600 homeruns, because that's what any deal will contain?

I'm certainly glad the Yankees and Red Sox didn't have that attitude as Mantle and Williams came to the end of their careers.