4/19 Game Thread - Reds vs Marlins

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting lineups:


Lineups

Marlins (4 - 9)
5th in NL East

Reds (8 - 6)
3rd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. H Ramirez, SS .364 2 7 3
2. D Uggla, 2B .244 2 5 0
3. M Cabrera, 3B .333 2 10 1
4. J Willingham, LF .333 3 12 0
5. M Jacobs, 1B .200 3 10 2
6. M Olivo, C .242 1 4 0
7. M Cepicky, RF 1.000 0 0 0
8. R Abercrombie, CF .133 0 2 0
9. D Willis, P .000 0 1 0

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, CF .324 0 2 8
2. B Phillips, 2B .300 0 4 0
3. R Aurilia, SS .286 3 10 0
4. A Dunn, LF .298 8 13 0
5. A Kearns, RF .333 5 12 0
6. S Hatteberg, 1B .222 1 3 0
7. E Encarnacion, 3B .267 2 10 0
8. J LaRue, C - - - -
9. A Harang, P .143 0 1 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
D Willis 1 0 1.93 1.13 9

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
A Harang 2 1 5.30 1.34 17

[Elam]

Anyone else think Harang is gonna rack up the K's today?

[BRM]

Beat me to it Fanatic. The 'zoners are gonna love RA at SS today. :)

[flyer85]

I am wondering how much we can read into the fact the Phillips is playing 2nd and Aurilia SS. It says to me that they the interest in finding out if Phillips is a potential long term solution at 2B rather than a utility type.

[RedRage]

hmm.. Still no WoemacK

:thumbup:

[redsfan30]

I actually feel pretty good about the game today. With Harang on the hill, if the offense can scratch across three runs it should be a good day.

Tony Womack can't buy his way into the lineup right now and he can't be happy about it.

[Chip R]

I'd switch Phillips and Aurilia's positions.

[BRM]

I am wondering how much we can read into the fact the Phillips is playing 2nd and Aurilia SS. It says to me that they the interest in finding out if Phillips is a potential long term solution at 2B rather than a utility type.

Does Phillips have enough range to cover the gaping holes on each side of him? He's going to need to cover a LOT of ground today.

[OnBaseMachine]

I was all for giving Dunn the day off today, as he is 0-for-7 vs Willis - but I can see why Narron wouldn't want to sit both Lopez and Dunn on the same day.

[traderumor]

Does Phillips have enough range to cover the gaping holes on each side of him? He's going to need to cover a LOT of ground today.I think so, in Monday's game he was on the other side of second on a play up the middle when Lopez threw wildly to first.

[redsfan30]

I'd switch Phillips and Aurilia's positions.
I originally thought that's what they'd do, but now that I think about it, it's probably smart leaving Phillips at second. If they have any thoughts at all of him taking over the job long term, they need to put him there and leave him there.

[PuffyPig]

I'd switch Phillips and Aurilia's positions.

Makes sense.

Phillips plays both positions real well.

Aurilia plays a very bad SS, but is actually a passable 2ndbaseman.

[flyer85]

I was all for giving Dunn the day off today, as he is 0-for-7 vs Willis - but I can see why Narron wouldn't want to sit both Lopez and Dunn on the same day.If the option is playing McCracken that isn't much of a choice even if Dunn has struggled with Willis(BTW, most players have). With Dunn there is always the chance he gets hold of one and today it would likely be a game channging event.

[flyer85]

Makes sense.

Phillips plays both positions real well.

Aurilia plays a very bad SS, but is actually a passable 2ndbaseman.I think the point is the Reds really want to see Phillips at 2b.

[Doc. Scott]

Anyone claimed PBP for this one? I've got time today.

Even with Rich batting third.

[BRM]

If the option is playing McCracken that isn't much of a choice even if Dunn has struggled with Willis(BTW, most players have). With Dunn there is always the chance he gets hold of one and today it would likely be a game channging event.

No doubt. Now if Denorfia were with the club...

[Chip R]

I think the point is the Reds really want to see Phillips at 2b.

I can see that so I don't have a huge beef with it.

[OnBaseMachine]

No Denorfia in the lineup at Louisville today, could he be on his way up?

[BRM]

No Denorfia in the lineup at Louisville today, could he be on his way up?

Denorfia in, Womack out? Works for me.

[RedsMan3203]

Lets get get get it popin.

[Chip R]

No Denorfia in the lineup at Louisville today, could he be on his way up?

He's too valuable to play every day in LOU. ;)

[flyer85]

Reds against Willis

Dunn 0-7
Kearns 2-11
Freel 4-13
Aurilia 2-13
Larue 3-7
EE 1-2
Hatteberg and Phillips have never faced him.

[Puffy]

Makes sense.

Phillips plays both positions real well.

Aurilia plays a very bad SS, but is actually a passable 2ndbaseman.

Yup, and Narron pays a great lip service to defense, but it doesn't ever translate to what he puts on his lineup cards.

And the Reds envisioned Pokey Reese as their second basemen of the future and he basically learned on the job in the ML's - yet when Larkin needed a breather it was still Reese who slid over for the day, so the Phillips needs to stay at second is a fallacy. One game isn't gonna stunt his develoment, nor will it hinder the Reds from assessing him long term as a second base answer. If anything it allows the Reds to see him at SS so if Lopez goes down with an injury they have options.

[Chip R]

Reds against Willis

Hatteberg and Phillips have never faced him.

They're in for a treat. :eek:

[BRM]

Yup, and Narron pays a great lip service to defense, but it doesn't ever translate to what he puts on his lineup cards.


In his mind, it does. He thinks Aurilia is a quality defensive SS.

[CaiGuy]

A lineup with Rich batting 3rd Austin 5th and Edwin 7th is not a good lineup. Narron should at least swich the 3 and 5 spots. I don't know everybody's numbers against Willis though. None of them can be good.

[CaiGuy]

Reds against Willis

Dunn 0-7
Kearns 2-11
Freel 4-13
Aurilia 2-13
Larue 3-7
EE 1-2
Hatteberg and Phillips have never faced him.
here they are. not so hot

[BRM]

Freel and Larue have had some success at least.

[edabbs44]

The key today is getting into the pen. Willis throws A LOT of pitches and seems to either go 5 innings or 9. They need to work the count and have him throw around 20 pitches per inning.

[TRF]

I also think BP should be at 2B despite a statue at SS. But moving him to the 2 hole this quick? dunno about that. It took Kearns a while just to move up to 4th from 7th.

[smith288]

Anyone claimed PBP for this one? I've got time today.

Even with Rich batting third.
You can have it as long as I can claim the "im sick of the scrappiness discussion".

[CaiGuy]

The key today is getting into the pen. Willis throws A LOT of pitches and seems to either go 5 innings or 9. They need to work the count and have him throw around 20 pitches per inning.
And that has been one the good things I've seen the offense do so far. Hope to see Hattaberg eat a lot of pitches today. Freel does to.

[CaiGuy]

I also think BP should be at 2B despite a statue at SS. But moving him to the 2 hole this quick? dunno about that. It took Kearns a while just to move up to 4th from 7th.
with lopez out, he's really the best choice because of his speed.

[RedsMan3203]

The key today is getting into the pen. Willis throws A LOT of pitches and seems to either go 5 innings or 9. They need to work the count and have him throw around 20 pitches per inning.

Thats the key for every game. ;)

[smith288]

Actually...to be technical, the key to every game is to score more runs than your opponent. Depends how verbose you want to get.

[RedRage]

Actually...to be technical, the key to every game is to score more runs than your opponent. Depends how verbose you want to get.

See! So simple even a caveman gets it!
:mooner:

[RedsMan3203]

Actually...to be technical, the key to every game is to score more runs than your opponent. Depends how verbose you want to get.


I could I forget.... :bang:

[Caveat Emperor]

CE Presents Guide to RedsZone Game Threads

SECTION 2: PRE-GAME STARTING LINEUP COMPLAINTS

Prior to the start of a game, the game thread space will be dedicated to complaints about the starting lineup that has been put on the field. It has been statistically proven that lineups generate the greatest number complaints of any non-play incident in the game thread (using the "Complaints Created" stats).

The following situations tend to generate the most complaints:
- Ryan Freel not batting leadoff
- Ryan Freel not playing
- Felipe Lopez not playing
- Felipe Lopez playing, but against lefthanded pitchers
- Rich Aurillia starting in place of Felipe Lopez
- Rich Aurillia starting in place of Ryan Freel
- Rich Aurillia starting in pllace of Edwin Encarnacion
- Rich Aurillia existing
- Rich Aurillia batting too high
- Rich Aurillia batting too low
- Adam Dunn batting too low in the batting order
- Adam Dunn leading off (see: Boone, Bob)
- Adam Dunn without sufficent protection in the lineup
- Austin Kearns being buried in the lineup
- Austin Kearns being sent to Louisville before the game thread starts
- Edwin Encarnacion getting a day off
- Edwin Encarnacion getting the night off
- Edwin Encarnacion being seen at the bus terminal with a ticket to Louisville
- Tony Womack being mentioned in the starting lineup
- Errors contributing to benching for players you like
- Errors not contributing to benching for players you don't like
- "Getaway Day" lineups featuring scraps and scrubs
- Breaking up the lefties
- Breaking up the righties
- Breaking up the band
- Tinkering with a lineup that worked
- Refusing to change a lineup that doesn't
- Using small statistics to justify change
- Refusing to look at big statistics that do justify a change
- Starting Eric Milton as the pitcher

Please phrase your complaints in the form of a disgusted exclamation and insert as many of the following words as possible: scrappy, crappy, idiotic, moronic, lack of detail to the little thins, contact, strikeouts, benching, Miley-esque, Boone-like, firing and DFA. Acceptable smileys include headbanging for anger, beer me for happiness, and potentially the band smiley for "breaking up the band" comments.

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[TRF]

with lopez out, he's really the best choice because of his speed.

pheh. I don't want him pressing at the plate. He was in a comfort zone. I'd have left him there and batted Kearns second, Dunn 3rd and EE 4th.

just sayin.

[Casey_21]

Hey everyone!! I am likeing the line-up today... FeLo deserves a day off, and Richie's been pulling through for us, so I aint too upset about it. Don't care for the Dunners stats against the D-Train, but theirs a first time for everything, baby.. and todays the day. Let's rock, fella's!! :beerme:

[smith288]

I could I forget.... :bang:
Yea. I know how you feel. Sometimes we just need to simplify things eh? :lol:

[BRM]

:laugh: Great stuff CE!!

[flyer85]

The key today is getting into the pen. They need to work the count and have him throw around 20 pitches per inning.thats the key. Make him throw a lot of pitches in first 3-4 innings.

[smith288]

CE Presents Guide to RedsZone Game Threads

SECTION 2: PRE-GAME STARTING LINEUP COMPLAINTS

Prior to the start of a game, the game thread space will be dedicated to complaints about the starting lineup that has been put on the field. It has been statistically proven that lineups generate the greatest number complaints of any non-play incident in the game thread (using the "Complaints Created" stats).

The following situations tend to generate the most complaints:
- Ryan Freel not batting leadoff
- Ryan Freel not playing
- Felipe Lopez not playing
- Felipe Lopez playing, but against lefthanded pitchers
- Rich Aurillia starting in place of Felipe Lopez
- Rich Aurillia starting in place of Ryan Freel
- Rich Aurillia starting in pllace of Edwin Encarnacion
- Rich Aurillia existing
- Rich Aurillia batting too high
- Rich Aurillia batting too low
- Adam Dunn batting too low in the batting order
- Adam Dunn leading off (see: Boone, Bob)
- Adam Dunn without sufficent protection in the lineup
- Austin Kearns being buried in the lineup
- Austin Kearns being sent to Louisville before the game thread starts
- Edwin Encarnacion getting a day off
- Edwin Encarnacion getting the night off
- Edwin Encarnacion being seen at the bus terminal with a ticket to Louisville
- Tony Womack being mentioned in the starting lineup
- Errors contributing to benching for players you like
- Errors not contributing to benching for players you don't like
- "Getaway Day" lineups featuring scraps and scrubs
- Breaking up the lefties
- Breaking up the righties
- Breaking up the band
- Tinkering with a lineup that worked
- Refusing to change a lineup that doesn't
- Using small statistics to justify change
- Refusing to look at big statistics that do justify a change
- Starting Eric Milton as the pitcher

Please phrase your complaints in the form of a disgusted exclamation and insert as many of the following words as possible: scrappy, crappy, idiotic, moronic, lack of detail to the little thins, contact, strikeouts, benching, Miley-esque, Boone-like, firing and DFA. Acceptable smileys include headbanging for anger, beer me for happiness, and potentially the band smiley for "breaking up the band" comments.

Look for future Guide to Game Threads in future Game Threads!
Two words. Awe.... sum.

[Casey_21]

Rich Aurillia existing

Lol... Thats raw.

[pedro]

nice CE. :)

[smith288]

I believe THIS is the key...

http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/computer/assests/key.jpg

[Doc. Scott]

CE Presents Guide to RedsZone Game Threads

SECTION 2: PRE-GAME STARTING LINEUP COMPLAINTS

- Rich Aurillia starting in place of Felipe Lopez
- Rich Aurillia starting in place of Ryan Freel
- Rich Aurillia starting in pllace of Edwin Encarnacion
- Rich Aurillia existing
- Rich Aurillia batting too high
- Rich Aurillia batting too low
-Please phrase your complaints in the form of a disgusted exclamation and insert as many of the following words as possible: scrappy, crappy, idiotic, moronic, lack of detail to the little thins, contact, strikeouts, benching, Miley-esque, Boone-like, firing and DFA. Acceptable smileys include headbanging for anger, beer me for happiness, and potentially the band smiley for "breaking up the band" comments.

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Very impressive.

The revision of Rich Aurilia's public reputation from Ball-Hog to Tugboat doesn't seem to have ameliorated the level of complaining about him.

Although he still shouldn't be playing shortstop.

[flyer85]

I believe THIS is the key...

http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/computer/assests/key.jpgsomebody needs to stick that in Willis.

[pedro]

****Mike Watt reference alert*****

[Caveat Emperor]

Very impressive.

The revision of Rich Aurilia's public reputation from Ball-Hog to Tugboat doesn't seem to have ameliorated the level of complaining about him.

Although he still shouldn't be playing shortstop.

After last year, I've reached a zen moment about the whole Rich Aurillia thing. I think he's not a bad everyday option at 1st base for now, especially if Votto tears up AA ball and he gets a September call up.

Rich was only bothering me when he was holding better players back, and he's not doing that now. In fact, he's holding back someone who shouldn't be starting (Hatteberg) -- which kinda makes him a hero right now.

[smith288]

Rich was only bothering me when he was holding better players back, and he's not doing that now. In fact, he's holding back someone who shouldn't be starting (Hatteberg) -- which kinda makes him a hero right now.

*GAAAAAASP*

[Chip R]

I just want to see if Boss unstickies the Wipping Boy thread if Aurilia, Milton and Womack are gone. ;)

[Doc. Scott]

somebody needs to stick that in Willis.

That sounds a little too similar to what happened at my old high school just recently.

http://www.craighedric.com/News/JN_Horesplay.pdf

No more details from me.

[Doc. Scott]

Holy crap, I just realized I was listening to yesterday's archive feed.

The PBP would have sucked.

[SteelSD]

Hey, the Florida announcer just said that this game features the two best leadoff hitters in the game.

[traderumor]

Anyone having trouble getting the WLW feed on Gameday audio? I'm getting Florida, but dead air on the Reds. Also, I had to login through a different link than the gameday login screen. The gameday login screen gave internal server error.

[SteelSD]

One down. Ramirez grounds to Aurilia.

[Doc. Scott]

WLW's game feed isn't coming through. I guess it's the Marlins feed, then.

[traderumor]

The Florida announcer just said Harang resembles Lurch :doh:

[SteelSD]

Uggla grounds to a place Aurilia can't get to so Encarnacion takes it and guns him down. Two out.

[CTA513]

Harang pulls a Milton.

[edabbs44]

My Lord.

[Falls City Beer]

The Florida announcer just said Harang resembles Lurch :doh:

Yes but he's our lil Lurch.

[Caveat Emperor]

Hey, the Florida announcer just said that this game features the two best leadoff hitters in the game.

Nothing like a little Eric Milton love to get a team feeling good about it's players.

[indyred]

over under on total dingers today is 4

[Matt700wlw]

Cabrera HR....

..at least it was Cabrera

[Doc. Scott]

Top of 1.

Ramirez grounds to short as I swear a blue streak at WLW. Won't be the first time, certainly won't be the last.

Uggla quickly grounds to Encarnacion.

Cabrera. Foul pop. No-doubt homer to left. Ahem. Marlins announcers don't seem excited- like with some of Dunn's shots, it was so not in doubt that you don't really have time to shout.

Willingham quickly falls behind 1-2. Up high. Dribbler foul. Off the corner, full count. Hard liner right at Aurilia (so it's within his range) gloved for the out.

1-0 Florida after 0.5. Harang with a portentous first.

[SteelSD]

Cabrera brings the pain with an upper deck shot into left.

mlb.com complains that Dunn should have had it.

1-0 Marlins.

[SteelSD]

Harang's pitch to Cabrera was uggla.

[flyer85]

umpire seems to have a very small strike zone. looked like he squeezed Harang on 3 or 4 pitches. It better be the same for WIllis.

[SteelSD]

Willingham hits the ball right at Aurila. After the game, Aurila will send the ball back to Josh with a thank you note smelling of Ben Gay.

Three down.

[Caveat Emperor]

Harang's pitch to Cabrera was uggla.

Sick this guy on him as punishment:
http://www.ugaredzone.com/ugamerchandise/ugaviphoto.jpg

[Falls City Beer]

Willingham lines to short, inning over.

[edabbs44]

I think Cabrera should ge the Pooholes treatment from the Reds for the rest of the game.

[Casey_21]

Cabrera brings the pain with an upper deck shot into left.

mlb.com complains that Dunn should have had it.

1-0 Marlins.

I am sure Marty agrees ;)

[edabbs44]

I think Cabrera should ge the Pooholes treatment from the Reds for the rest of the game.

Apologies...the treatment he SHOULD have gotten from the Reds.

[edabbs44]

7 pitches, no outs. Nice work Ryan.

[flyer85]

erra on Cabrera

[SteelSD]

Freel grounds pitch 7 to Cabrera and reaches on an Error when the 1B can't scoop the throw out of the dirt.

One on. No outs.

[Chip R]

Freel grounds pitch 7 to Cabrera and reaches on an Error when the 1B can't scoop the throw out of the dirt.


Did Mr. Hat get traded to the Fish?

[Caveat Emperor]

I love Dontrelle Willis, I gotta say that upfront. I went to college with a girl who was from Alameda who went to High School with Dontrelle and was a friend of his. We drove to Florida once to watch him pitch when he was bouncing around in AA. I've been following his career closely since he was a young 'un. I've never met him, but was told he was the nicest and most genuine guy you'll ever meet.

I really wish there was a way the Reds could bring him in.

[smith288]

I love Dontrelle Willis, I gotta say that upfront. I went to college with a girl who was from Alameda who went to High School with Dontrelle and was a friend of his. We drove to Florida once to watch him pitch when he was bouncing around in AA. I've been following his career closely since he was a young 'un. I've never met him, but was told he was the nicest and most genuine guy you'll ever meet.

I really wish there was a way the Reds could bring him in.
Mad man love for the Dontrell I take it?

[edabbs44]

That sucked.

[Caveat Emperor]

Mad man love for the Dontrell I take it?

Yeah, but I'm still below the Bill Simmons-Tom Brady level, which means it's still treatable.

[flyer85]

what is a kneegate?

[SteelSD]

Phillips makes Cabrera's error immaterial by grounding into a Casey on his 42nd consecutive PA without a walk.

2 down.

[Doc. Scott]

Bottom of 1.

Freel. Called strike. Another one. Ball's low. Ryan's hitting .500 against lefties. Outside, ball two. Outside, ball three. Foul at the plate. Grounder right at Cabrera, but he muffs it for an error on the routine play.

440 feet on the Cabromb. I think Reds fans can relate to this little dichotomy with Miguel.

Strike to Phillips. Foul fly. Ball's outside. Fouled back. Grounder to second- Uggla makes the pickup, steps on second, and fires to first. Double play.

Two outs for the Straw that Stirs the Drink. Foul. Low and in. All three of Rich's bombs are against lefties, but he's just two for thirteen against Willis. Low and outside, three and one. I must have missed a pitch. High foul fly to RF, full count. Fly to center, caught by Abercrombie.

End of 1, 1-0 Florida.

[smith288]

Yeah, but I'm still below the Bill Simmons-Tom Brady level, which means it's still treatable.
Im comfortable in my own sexuality to say I dont have man love for Dontrell.

[CaiGuy]

Brenimen just said that Goesling might go back to AAA to make room for Shacklford. Hope he has a good one day on the roster.

[SteelSD]

Aurilia flies out to the track in CF.

Three down.

[flyer85]

at least they made him throw 18 pitches

[Matt700wlw]

Those having MLB problems....try it again. They just recieved a feed (there were some technical issues)

[edabbs44]

How scary is this???

Righties were hitting .552 agaunst Burns this year. I guess the league averages willsinking after his demotion. The scariest thing is that someone from the BP got demoted and we still have White and Hammond ready to throw gasoline on the fire.

[LincolnparkRed]

Brenimen just said that Goesling might go back to AAA to make room for Shacklford. Hope he has a good one day on the roster.

maybe Freel can take him out for some drinks over in Kentucky on his way to the airport.:evil:

[SteelSD]

K swinging. One down.

[CTA513]

Reds love to give up the long ball.

[RedsFan75]

Meanwhile in Louisville, Ryan Wagner just served up a 2 run homer to Rob Cosby.

[edabbs44]

The Big Fish Machine

[Matt700wlw]

Good god. Another HR.

[SteelSD]

Miguel Olivo channels the other Miguel on the team and smokes another upper deck shot down the LF line.

2-0 Marlins.

[flyer85]

a 3-2 hanging slider depositied by Olivo. Not looking good for the Reds today.

[Doc. Scott]

Top of 2.

Jacobs. Taken strike. Low and in. Ball two. Swing and a miss. And again, one out.

Olivo waves at the first one. Announcer ignores the next several, but it runs to 2-2. Long fly to left, just fair, and it's 2-0. Sigh.

Cepicky, whose name is either being mispronounced or is simpler than I thought. A .222 career average in eighty games. 2-1 pitch, check swing for a strike. Taken strike three, two down.

Abercrombie. He's four for thirty so far. Think circa-1983 Eric Davis minus the plate discipline. Ball's outside. Swing and a miss. Again. Check swing foul. High and inside, ball two. Misses up high, full count. LaRue and Harang having issues connecting? Reggie slams a single up the middle.

Willis. He can hit. .230 career average. Up high, ball one. Another base hit, a liner to left. Dontrelle's first knock of 2006.

Ramirez (0-1). Swing and a miss on the elevated 89 mph fastball. Uh oh. Called strike two at the letters (92). Swing and a miss on the breaking ball, see ya.

Florida's twelve runs yesterday vaulted them from last in the league in scoring to thirteenth. Eric Milton should be receiving the ever-popular Hickory Farms gift basket shortly. Aaron Harang may be getting an array of fine sausage and cheese as well, at the rate he's going.

2-0 Florida after 1.5.

[1Wildcat1]

I don't think LaRue has done his homework

[smith288]

Olivo :milton: 's to left...

[CaiGuy]

Nothing like facing Milton to rejuvenate your offense.

[SteelSD]

Cep-whatever K's swinging. Two down.

[OnBaseMachine]

I can't wait to see how many runs this team will allow when they actually face a good offense.

[Krusty]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?

[pedro]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?


no.

[CaiGuy]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?
kinda reminds me of that teem in Denver...

[redlegs2370]

Willis has an ERA of 1.53, doesn't look good digging a hole. This was a series the Reds needed to win.

[cumberlandreds]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?

No, bad pitching will continue be their downfall. I don't think the ballpark has very much to do with it.

[SteelSD]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?

Those shots would have left any park in the game.

Bad pitching will be the Reds downfall year in and year out.

[MWM]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?

Krusty, did you see those two HRs? There isn't a park ever built they wouldn't have been out of.

[SteelSD]

Reggie Taylor's right-handed twin singles sharply into Center Field.

[smith288]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?
No...crappy pitching is the downfall. Those two would have been out of any place.

[TeamCasey]

Anyone getting an internet feed? I tried some of the stations on gamelive, but got music or no server.

(I know you guys hate that question ....... sorry, stuck in cubicle hell right now.)

[CaiGuy]

Willis singles

at least it he didn't hit one out.

[flyer85]

Harang attempting to channel Milton. Ramirez could end this game early.

[SteelSD]

Dontrelle Willis singles as well.

Harang has been near-unmitigated awful thusfar.

[flyer85]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?How did the Sox win last year in an even MORE extreme HR park than GABP?

[westofyou]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?
No, but it will be a convenient excuse for fans to continue to not understand pitching.

[CaiGuy]

Ramirez strikes out.

[SteelSD]

Harang strikes out Ramirez for out #3.

[Falls City Beer]

Dontrelle Willis singles as well.

Harang has been near-unmitigated awful thusfar.

I've said it since early spring training: he's pitching like he's hurt. Except for Friday night's game, Harang has been putrid for well over a month. I'd skip his next start and get another look at that shoulder.

[BRM]

How did the Sox win last year in an even MORE extreme HR park than GABP?

Ozzieball?

[MWM]

Prior to last night, Florida was 15th out of 16 in runs scored in the NL.

[indyred]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?
Yes.....extremley hard to be a consistent winner in a hitter's park/home run park.......have to over pay any good pitcher to come here and pay inflated contracts to there own player's who pad #'s at home.......

[CaiGuy]

Prior to last night, Florida was 15th out of 16 in runs scored in the NL.
milton has that kind of effect on offenses:rolleyes:

[BRM]

Yes.....extremley hard to be a consistent winner in a hitter's park/home run park.......have to over pay any good pitcher to come here and pay inflated contracts to there own player's who pad #'s at home.......

Chicago won a World Series playing in an extreme HR park.

[Casey_21]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?

Our pitchers could give them up in Yellowstone.

[smith288]

I dont think he looks terrible. He does have 3 K's. Giving a single to Willis isnt too embarrasing as he can handle a bat and the two gofer balls were mistake pitches. There is still time for him to settle.

Just need the bats to not be dead...

[westofyou]

Yes.....extremley hard to be a consistent winner in a hitter's park/home run parkProblem is the GAB is only a HR park, it depresses all other hits.

[flyer85]

Anyone see the shift the Rays put on Papi last night?

2 players in the IF and 5 in the OF

[indyred]

How did the Sox win last year in an even MORE extreme HR park than GABP?
It can be done once in a while........even though GAB did give up the most dingers last season.......Hasn't helped Texas and Colorado......

[SteelSD]

Dunn Walks.

[BRM]

It can be done once in a while........even though GAB did give up the most dingers last season.......Hasn't helped Texas and Colorado......

I'd argue the poor pitching has been the downfall of Texas and Colorado...and Cincinnati.

[MWM]

Kearns was overmatched in that AB. Dontrelle made it look easy.

[flyer85]

Hasn't helped Texas and Colorado......and the reason is? Not a hard answer.

[edabbs44]

Anybody think the Great American Ballpark will be the team's downfall year in and year out?

I think it has more to do with the hitting and pitching. When you have an all or nothing hitting team (Reds) and one of the most pathetic pitching staffs in recent memory (Reds) it is tough to gauge what a park is like. The 2 Miggy bombs were just that, bombs. They would have been out of anywhere.

[westofyou]

It can be done once in a while........even though GAB did give up the most dingers last season.......Hasn't helped Texas and Colorado......
You mean the two worst pitching teams outside of the Reds and TB in the last 6 years?

[SteelSD]

Kearns channelling...um...I dunno...someone bad.

Strikeout. Out #1.

[flyer85]

I'd argue the poor pitching has been the downfall of Texas and Colorado...and Cincinnati.BRM wins the prize

[BRM]

You mean the two worst pitching teams outside of the Reds and TB in the last 6 years?

It's the ballparks causing the poor pitching apparently.

[edabbs44]

HATTE! I had him penciled in for an 0-4 day. Humble pie tastes good.

[westofyou]

It's the ballparks causing the poor pitching apparently.
He who smelt it

Dealt it.

[Reds Fanatic]

1st and 2nd with one out after Hatteberg's hit.

[MWM]

Why is EdE hitting so low in the order while Phillips is hitting second?

[flyer85]

willis does work quickly, I like that

[SteelSD]

I'd argue the poor pitching has been the downfall of Texas and Colorado...and Cincinnati.

I'd go further and state that poor hitting was the downfall of Colorado.

The park hoodwinked Colorado into acquiring sub-optimal offensive players without remembering they still might not be able to outscore the park effect on their pitching at home and who had to still play 81 games on the road.

[indyred]

I'd argue the poor pitching has been the downfall of Texas and Colorado...and Cincinnati.
No question poor pitching doesn't help..............But, what good pitcher is going to want to pitch in GAB if given the choice........

[CaiGuy]

...not to mention Arillia hitting 3rd.

[redlegs2370]

No, but it will be a convenient excuse for fans to continue to not understand pitching.

Westofyou great point. It all comes down to pitching, look at Dontrelle Willis at GAB. He has had some great outings against a solid Reds offensive line-up over the last few years.

[Reds Fanatic]

EE walks, bases loaded for Larue

[CaiGuy]

Larue is up for his first AB of the season

[flyer85]

Willis is racking up the pitch count

[MWM]

I'd go further and state that poor hitting was the downfall of Colorado.

The park hoodwinked Colorado into acquiring sub-optimal offensive players without remembering they still might not be able to outscore the park effect on their pitching at home and who had to still play 81 games on the road.

Yep, and when their numbers looked really good (i.e. Preston Wilson) they thought it was because they were having a good year.

[edabbs44]

Let's go JLa!

[flyer85]

No question poor pitching doesn't help..............But, what good pitcher is going to want to pitch in GAB if given the choice........what pitcher would want to pitch in US Cellular?

[SteelSD]

Larue up. Bases loaded.

[MWM]

Horrible strike call on Larue.

[edabbs44]

Ugggg(la).

[CaiGuy]

Willis is racking up the pitch count
good, hope to see the pen soon.

thats the only way they'll get any runs across

[SteelSD]

AWFUL strike call for strike 2 on Larue.

[flyer85]

that 2-1 pitch was a ball

[smith288]

Newsbreak:
Scott McClellan resigns as Press Secretary - rumors have Tony Snow being offered the job...

...Back to the game

[SteelSD]

Larue K's swinging after being told by the umpire that he gets only two strikes that AB.

[flyer85]

Horrible strike call on Larue.especially considering how tight the zone has been to this point

[westofyou]

But, what good pitcher is going to want to pitch in GAB if given the choice......

The Reds have inked two FA starters as in their lifetime... it's not the way to making hay anyway.

But hey let's just blow up the GAB and build a replica of Redland in the 20's

Then the Reds can have the best pitching in baseball and no hitting anywhere else

[flyer85]

Newsbreak:
Scott McClellan resigns as Press Secretary I didn't know the Reds had a press secretary

[Doc. Scott]

Marty's back for the bottom of 2.

Ball one to Dunn. Ball two. Fouled back. Check swing, 3-1. Ball four, inside.

Kearns. Looks at a strike. Swing and a miss (93 mph). Another wave, struck him out. One down.

Hatteberg. Reaches somehow on something I missed, moving Dunn to second. A single, I think. Yeah. Good job, Scotty.

Encarnacion. Ball one. Ball two. Ball three. Olivo to the mound. Called strike. Not even close, and the bases are loaded!

LaRue's first at bat comes at a rather important time. Watch him get behind 0-2. Nope, it's low for ball one. Fouled away. Check swing, ball two. Strike two, inside corner. Jason dislikes the call intensely. Strikeout swinging.

Sigh.

First pitch to Harang is a strike. Bouncer foul. Another foul. I don't hold out hope of lightning striking again here. Yup, strikeout swinging.

2-0 Florida after 2.

[indyred]

what pitcher would want to pitch in US Cellular?
I don't think there door is being knocked down with them............

[Wheelhouse]

The ump has been calling that strike all day.

[Buckeye33]

Is it just me, or does it seem every time the Reds have the bases loaded with less than 2 outs they NEVER EVER score a run?

Incredibly frustrating to watch/listen.

[Casey_21]

Arggghhhhh..... Oh well.... the Colonel and Dunner will go deep later in the game. LaRue will have an rbi double to make up fo dat stinkin' at bat!!

[BRM]

Larue's at-bat will no doubt stir up a rousing debate on the mlb boards.

[flyer85]

I don't think there door is being knocked down with them............then what's your point?

[smith288]

I didn't know the Reds had a press secretary
Ill refer all questions to the new press secretary when they are announced. ;)

[NJReds]

Larue's at-bat will no doubt stir up a rousing debate on the mlb boards.

No it won't...it wasn't Dunn.

[Doc. Scott]

Top of 3.

Ryan Wagner has allowed two more runs on a double to the same guy who hit the two-run homer off him. 4-0 Syracuse late.

Uggla watches a strike. Some other stuff. Grounder foul. Liner to right past Phillips for a base hit.

Cabrera. Low and away, ball one. Fouled away. Called strike two. Lined foul. Grounder to second, skillfully turned into a 4-6-3 by Phillips and Aurilia! Two outs.

Willingham. Grounds to Encarnacion, but his throw pulls Hatteberg off the bag. Error number seven for EE.

Jacobs. Two out of the strike zone. Ball three. Fastball down Broadway. Swing and a miss. Outside, ball four.

Olivo. Called strike. Inside. Another called strike. In the dirt, count evens. STRUCK HIM OUT SWINGING!

Ryan Wagner threw three wild pitches on top of the four earned runs. The Bats loaded the bases with two out in their half of the eighth, but Jesse Gutierrez popped out.

2-0 Florida after 2.5. Better make room for Edwin in Kentucky.

[CaiGuy]

Cabrara up with Ugla on.

o, snap

[flyer85]

Harang just isn't sharp with his command today

[BRM]

No it won't...it wasn't Dunn.

It was still a K with RISP. Larue isn't exactly the most popular Red over there either.

[westofyou]

Is it just me, or does it seem every time the Reds have the bases loaded with less than 2 outs they NEVER EVER score a run?

Incredibly frustrating to watch/listen.


.303/.366/.539/.906 152 Reds Team AB's in 2005

.200/.182/.800 That was the 6th ab with the bases full this season.

[flyer85]

Cabrera really ran out that GB.

[edabbs44]

Hatte should have made that play.

[Matt700wlw]

EE's throw pulls Hatteburg off the bag...the defensive struggles continue for EE

[NJReds]

It was still a K with RISP. Larue isn't exactly the most popular Red over there either.

There will be one poster who might blame Dunn. Because it has been mentioned that other Reds players strike out a lot because of Dunn's bad influence.

[pedro]

midget first baseman.

[MWM]

Yes, it wasn't a perfect throw, but 90% of MLB first baseman make that a routine play. It was a short hop and short hops are easy. EdE will get the blame from most folks, but having Hatte play first all year will add several errors that most 3B wouldn't have.

[flyer85]

He was out. Hatteberg just does not have good footwork around the bag. That throw was 5 feet from the bag

[Larry Schuler]

The Mad Hatter waved through a pick yesterday and didn't tag the runner just now. 1st baseman inexperience.

[indyred]

then what's your point?
Good pitching is hard to get and palying in a band box doesn't help........I like GAB and not much can be done about...maybe move then fences back some, but that has been beat to death.....GAB is what it is......Maybe they come up with some ground ball pitchers and develope some talent and the stigma of GAB gets changed some.........but right now all you hear about on the natioanl level is how GAB is such a hitter's.......

[edabbs44]

midget first baseman.

As midget's everywhere riot over the comparison...

[westofyou]

Because it has been mentioned that other Reds players strike out a lot because of Dunn's bad influence.That's like saying more posters misspell words on Redszone because of CaptainMorgans lead.

[flyer85]

the main problem with the errors is the starter throws more pitches meaning the opponent gets to the pen sooner

[RedsFan75]

So is Marty busting EdE for that one?

[Caveat Emperor]

He was out. Hatteberg just does not have good footwork around the bag. That throw was 5 feet from the bag

Maybe he should get fitted with Inspector Gadget arms.

[indyred]

Newsbreak:
Scott McClellan resigns as Press Secretary - rumors have Tony Snow being offered the job...

...Back to the game

probally got sick of all the JR injury questions

[westofyou]

but right now all you hear about on the natioanl level is how GAB is such a hitter's.......

Home Run... just because most of the national guys don't do their homework doesn't make it true.

[flyer85]

Good pitching is hard to get and palying in a band box doesn't help........I like GAB and not much can be done about...maybe move then fences back some, but that has been beat to death.....GAB is what it is......Maybe they come up with some ground ball pitchers and develope some talent and the stigma of GAB gets changed some.........but right now all you hear about on the natioanl level is how GAB is such a hitter's.......so how did the Sox win? ANd if they can do it in an even more extreme hitters park then why can't the Reds?

Using GABP is a lame excuse.

[Matt700wlw]

So is Marty busting EdE for that one?

It's not Marty's inning, but Steve mentioned EE's throwing struggles continue (that's all I have to go by... I have no TV coverage)

[Buckeye33]

.303/.366/.539/.906 152 Reds Team AB's in 2005

.200/.182/.800 That was the 6th ab with the bases full this season.

I thought it had been pretty rough this season, even in only 6 ABs. The #s from 05 surprise me though.

[edabbs44]

K. Phew.

[flyer85]

It's not Marty's inning, but Steve mentioned EE's throwing struggles continue (that's all I have to go by... I have no TV coverage)
should've been an error on Hatty. He almost fell down due to poor footwork. He had no reason to come off the bag, it happened because he was off balance.

[dsmith421]

Good pitching is hard to get and palying in a band box doesn't help...but right now all you hear about on the natioanl level is how GAB is such a hitter's.......

Why are people always looking for outside excuses for why the Reds stink? The problem is a decade of incompetent pitching coaches, a completely counter-productive organizational philosophy and terrible talent evaluation. Complaining about the ballpark is like complaining about the flavor of icing on a poop cake.

[westofyou]

It's not Marty's inning, but Steve mentioned EE's throwing struggles continue (that's all I have to go by... I have no TV coverage)
It's a valid worry, 8 of his 10 E's last season were throwing errors.

But he'll calm down.

[Buckeye33]

68 pitches in 3 innings for Mr. Harang. He'll be lucky to get through 5 at this pace.

[Doc. Scott]

Bottom of 3.

Shame of Wagner to waste Elizardo Ramirez' six shutout innings (3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K). Jake Robbins is pitching in the ninth.

Freel Baltimore-chops a base hit over Cabrera's head at third. A .519 OBP.

Phillips (0-1). Bunts up the first-base line, but it rolls foul. Ball one. Swing and a miss. Fouled back again. Low, ball two. Foul chopper. Hard-hit grounder becomes a 5-4-3 DP. Two of 'em.

Aurilia (0-1). Grounded through the middle for a single.

Dunn (BB). Tie the game already, please. K thx. He's using Night Ranger's "Sister Christian" as his music. Change that, please. K, thx. Ball one, low. Swing at a breaking ball. Another swing and a miss. Way outside, 2-2. Low, ball three. Strike three swinging on a 94mph fastball.

2-0 Florida after 3.

[Matt700wlw]

It's a valid worry, 8 of his 10 E's last season were throwing errors.

But he'll calm down.

I think so too. He's still a very young player.

[Caveat Emperor]

This might be one of those situations where the Reds need Freel to create a run, if for no other reason than to get the 0 off the scoreboard.

[indyred]

Why are people always looking for outside excuses for why the Reds stink? The problem is a decade of incompetent pitching coaches, a completely counter-productive organizational philosophy and terrible talent evaluation. Complaining about the ballpark is like complaining about the flavor of icing on a poop cake.

Maybe someday they get a great staff and have a bunch of 4-2 games and win it all.........that would be great

[MWM]

Does Narron know the Reds are down by 2 and not 1?

[westofyou]

Maybe someday they get a great staff and have a bunch of 4-2 games and win it all.........that would be great
Then everyone would complain that the hitting sucked.

[flyer85]

Does Narron know the Reds are down by 2 and not 1?you're not thinking scrappy

[westofyou]

Does Narron know the Reds are down by 2 and not 1?
Dude... THAT'S why Phillips is in the second spot, to see if he can play the Jay Bell role.

[membengal]

Surely do wish Freel was trying to run a bit today, so he would stop getting erased on double plays...

[indyred]

Then everyone would complain that the hitting sucked.
Your probally right.........bring back the 10-8 games would be the cry.......although i'd much rather see 4-2 game over 10-8 tilt.....

[flyer85]

Hopefully it will be his last time in the 2 hole. Reds would have been better served batting EE there.

[MWM]

Brilliant move putting Phillips second. Freel gets on almost every AB it seems, and so you put a ground ball contact hitter behind him. Have I mentioned before how much i LOATHE "The Book." I'm normally against book burining, but this is an exception.

[Matt700wlw]

I would never complain with winning.

(personally, I enjoy pitching matches....very psychological baseball)

[Caveat Emperor]

Dude... THAT'S why Phillips is in the second spot, to see if he can play the Jay Bell role.

I thought it was Narron's way of indicating he has Dontrelle on his fantasy team.

[Chip R]

Are we going to have to change the name of a double play from a Casey to a Phillips? ;)

[Casey_21]

EE's gonna be stella. He is the least of my worries. And Freel? He just straight up kicks :mooner:

[WMR]

midget first baseman.

http://www.twistedmonkey.net/images/projector/screen09.jpg

"Excuse me, Dude... the proper term is "little person."

"Jeez, Walter, we're not dealing with the people that work the circus here!"

;)

[westofyou]

EE's gonna be stella. He is the least of my worries. And Freel? He just straight up kicks :mooner:
Hey it's Turtle from "Entourage"

[OnBaseMachine]

FWIW, EE's OPS is now up to an even .900 after drawing a walk in his first atbat .267/.389/.511. 8 bb/9 k in 45 atbats.

[Reds Fanatic]

Through 3: Harang 68 pitches, Willis 58 pitches

[indyred]

is marty ripping on Dunn today?

[BRM]

FWIW, EE's OPS is now up to an even .900 after drawing a walk in his first atbat .267/.389/.511. 8 bb/9 k in 45 atbats.

I thought EE was struggling. That's what Marty tells us.

[MWM]

Honestly, Dunn has always looked completely lost facing Willis. He's played every game, this might have been a good time to give him the day off. Lopez had a better shot at hitting Dontrelle than Dunn.

[pedro]

is marty ripping on Dunn today?

these are steve's innings.

[Matt700wlw]

Honestly, Dunn has always looked completely lost facing Willis.

A lot of hitters are.

[flyer85]

carpenter has a no-no thru 5 today

[MWM]

Phillips maybe shouldn't have had that ball, but he looked clueless as to how to play it.

[djsauter]

ABERCROMBIE & FISH.


By the way, we are losing to the Florida Marlins.

[Casey_21]

Hey it's Turtle from "Entourage"

:confused: Over my head... I am sure it's funny though, President WOY :cool:

[Doc. Scott]

Top of 4.

---
Robbins retires the Skychiefs in order in the top of the ninth. Rob Stratton K's leading off the bottom of 9. Andy Abad flies out. Brian Buchanan K's as well, and Syracuse ends Louisville's five-game winning streak.
---

Cepicky (0-1). Ball's outside. Grounded into right for a base hit. Six safeties for Florida now.

Abercrombie (1-1). Slightly funny joke from Steve about how the Marlins could change the name of their team store to Abercrombie & Fish should Reggie become a star.

He also grounds a base hit through the general region of Brandon Phillips. Sometimes the cockeyed cap restricts vision to one side. Seven hits for Florida.

Willis (1-1). Bunts back to the mound, and Harang deftly nabs Cepicky at third. One out.

Ramirez. Strike one. ABERCROMBIE CAUGHT OFF SECOND! Throw to second, then to third to apply the tag. Will Joe Girardi Abercrombie & *****?

Two outs. Still 0-1 to Hanley. Low. Infield roller barehanded by Aurilia, but no chance. Eight hits.

Uggla (1-2). Strike one. Ball one. Breaking ball hit deep to left-center, and it's gone. A three-run homer, and Florida leads 5-0. Eighty pitches for Aaron.

Cabrera. Ball one. Swing and a miss. 94mph fastball waved at for strike two. Fouled to the screen. Struck him out swinging.

5-0 Florida after 3.5.

[djsauter]

Cardinals and Houston--"An attractive homestand."

Yes, attractive if you enjoy seeing your home team get pounded.

[Casey_21]

Hey it's Turtle from "Entourage"

Oooopps!! Forgot the sarcasm. :rolleyes: :D

[westofyou]

:confused: Over my head... I am sure it's funny though, President WOY :cool:
Turtle is a character on the HBO show Entourage, he talks alot like your last post

http://www.hbo.com/entourage/img/252x190/character/season02/turtle_252..jpg

[flyer85]

Fish doing their best to keep the Reds in the game.

[Casey_21]

Turtle is a character on the HBO show Entourage, he talks alot like your last post

http://www.hbo.com/entourage/img/252x190/character/season02/turtle_252..jpg

Lol... Ok, so I take it wasn't a compliment... :p:

[djsauter]

When you give up a homerun to a guy named Uggla, you know you suck.

[CaiGuy]

Uglla hits a three run bomb

[CTA513]

Uggla put the nail in the coffin.

[edabbs44]

Ugggggggggggggggggggggg(la). HR Ugg.

[Caveat Emperor]

Fish doing their best to keep the Reds in the game.

In Soviet Russia, Fish go peopling.

[SteelSD]

Well, time to ignore this one.

Ugggggglaaaa start for Harang.