Reds vs. Cubs 6-10-06

[Matt700wlw]

And I can't stand Zambrano as much as anyone - but he pitched a darn good game. Hasn't he flirted with no-hitters twice in the last week or so?

Ok- we may lose two to the Cubs. It's not the end of the world folks.

My goodness - this team/organization has given us more reason for hope and optimism this year that most of us never expected.

We were 5 games back a week or so ago, and came right back to be be 1st.

we'll now possibly be 1 1/2 games out.

IMO - no one is gonna run away with this division

Fasten your seat belts.

But for cryin' out loud - everyone take a deep breath. ;)

Exacly, nobody said this was going to be easy.

[GAC]

SHift this you powdered blue weenies!

Now I liked that! :lol:

[M2]

And I ask again, Rich Aurilia is hitting cleanup vs. RHPs for what reason? He's been completely overmatched by them al season long.

[flyer85]

And I ask again, Rich Aurilia is hitting cleanup vs. RHPs for what reason? He's been completely overmatched by them al season long.:dunno:

[KronoRed]

And I ask again, Rich Aurilia is hitting cleanup vs. RHPs for what reason? He's been completely overmatched by them al season long.
He hit 37hrs 5 years ago ;)

[reds44]

And I ask again, Rich Aurilia is hitting cleanup vs. RHPs for what reason? He's been completely overmatched by them al season long.
He doesn't belong there I agree, but who do you put there? Dunn doesn't belong there right now.

Kearns?

[KronoRed]

Kearns should be there.

[flyer85]

don't make outs. acquire bases.

[GAC]

Some of you are gonna end up like this :lol:

http://www.vhvault.com/vhbass/Pics/vh2_straitjackets.jpg

[reds44]

Walk.

Tieing run up!

Let's Go Ross!!!

[George Foster]

This is the 3rd night in a row we have faced this guy. Is it save to say we won't see him tomorrow?

[KronoRed]

This is the 3rd night in a row we have faced this guy. Is it save to say we won't see him tomorrow?
If we do..he might stink :D

[Matt700wlw]

This is the 3rd night in a row we have faced this guy. Is it save to say we won't see him tomorrow?

With Dusty....NOTHING is safe - especially toothpicks and pitcher's arms

[GAC]

He hit 37hrs 5 years ago ;)

16 last year

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves the runners to 2nd and 3rd.

[reds44]

2nd and 3rd.


2 strikes on Rossy.

[WVRedsFan]

it could but one can't make a logical argument against it. Instead all I see is an appeal to authority

Agreed.

You don't put a guy who has not proven himself in a situation like that. You go with a known quantity. If the Reds are to contend all season long, games like this have to be won. Putting Yan in was the at the top of the ignorance list. If you want to hold Narron blameless for this, then nothing is his fault including his lineups and maybe what he had for lunch.

[reds44]

Well at least we have the top of the order for Dumpster.

Hold em in.

[KronoRed]

16 last year
Kearns hit more and spent time in the minors ;)

[CTA513]

Well at least we have the top of the order for Dumpster.

Hold em in.

The Cubs will probably use someone else since Dempster threw around 35 pitches yesterday.

[KronoRed]

That might have been our best shot.

[reds44]

Agreed.

You don't put a guy who has not proven himself in a situation like that. You go with a known quantity. If the Reds are to contend all season long, games like this have to be won. Putting Yan in was the at the top of the ignorance list. If you want to hold Narron blameless for this, then nothing is his fault including his lineups and maybe what he had for lunch.
I don't agree with putting Yan in, but I don't disagree with not putting Coffey in.

I probably would have went with Weathers.

[WVRedsFan]

Yan must be the new 7th inning guy

Nope that's Hammond. Of course, it's the same rotation out of the bullpen every night. The only reason it wasn't Hammond is that he's 100 years old and can't pitch on successive nights. :D

[reds44]

The Cubs will probably use someone else since Dempster threw around 35 pitches yesterday.
He hadn't pitched for a week before that. Plus it is Dusty, so i think he will be in.

[Matt700wlw]

This game could easily be 1-0 Reds :D

Just sayin'

[KronoRed]

Cubs care about pitch counts? ;)

[George Foster]

Win or lose tonight boys, there is A LOT of baseball to play this season. Claussen had a B+ start....all 5 starters are pitching good. I have faith that the management will get the bullpen better.:thumbup: We will be in the hunt for the wild card come Sept. 1st....that is a lot more than we expected.

[Matt700wlw]

Despite the awful weather, still 34,000+ in the yard today.

[M2]

He doesn't belong there I agree, but who do you put there? Dunn doesn't belong there right now.

Kearns?

I'd put Jr. at cleanup (best SLG on the team) and hit Dunn 3rd (best OB on the team) in front of him. Kearns could hit 5th. Then Hatteberg, then the catcher, then Aurilia (worst hitter vs. RHPs in the lineup).

[CTA513]

One of the better pitchers in the bullpen is now being used when they are down 4-1...

[George Foster]

Agreed.

You don't put a guy who has not proven himself in a situation like that. You go with a known quantity. If the Reds are to contend all season long, games like this have to be won. Putting Yan in was the at the top of the ignorance list. If you want to hold Narron blameless for this, then nothing is his fault including his lineups and maybe what he had for lunch.

Games like yesterday...have to be won. Zambrano pitched better than Claussen tonight.

[WVRedsFan]

One of the better pitchers in the bullpen is now being used when they are down 4-1...

That's no Narron's fault, though.

[GAC]

Kearns hit more and spent time in the minors ;)

RA missed a whole month too. ;)

[KronoRed]

Nevin for JR? :evil:

[reds44]

That's no Narron's fault, though.
Pitching well also.

[CTA513]

If Weathers gives up a homerun he wins a prize.

[Matt700wlw]

Weather's is shakey....again

[George Foster]

Does LaRue start tomorrow with Milton?

[Matt700wlw]

Weathers


Stop sucking.

[Red in Chicago]

and weathers is still on this team, why?

[KronoRed]

RA missed a whole month too. ;)
Plate apprences 05..Rich 463..Kearns 435

:evil:

[KronoRed]

Stop saving Coffey for a save spot..it's about to become a blowout here :help:

[WVRedsFan]

Games like yesterday...have to be won. Zambrano pitched better than Claussen tonight.

I contend you have to win both games. Though Zambrano pitched better, we went into the 7th tied and a blown managerial move led to a big lead.

And let me say this...I like Narron a lot, but he just makes some really dumb decisions when the pressure is on. That's why I will say until someone censors me that he's a good manager but not good enough to take us to the next level--the playoffs.

[Matt700wlw]

and weathers is still on this team, why?

Because he's better than a lot of guys in the pen.

Oh, and he didn't give up a run despite not pitching great.

[CTA513]

Weathers


Stop sucking.

He figures that if he throws alot of pitches today that Rick White will get to pitch tomorrow.

:evil:

[flyer85]

One of the better pitchers in the bullpen is now being used when they are down 4-1...makes sense to me, when do they bring in a Coffey to close? :D

[Red in Chicago]

Because he's better than a lot of guys in the pen.

Oh, and he didn't give up a run despite not pitching great.

and what does that tell you:bang:

[reds44]

and weathers is still on this team, why?
Because he is one of the better relievers on the team?

[GAC]

Plate apprences 05..Rich 463..Kearns 435

:evil:

yeah - but Ears has a worse attitude to some. ;)

[KronoRed]

and what does that tell you:bang:
That we got lucky.

[George Foster]

Boy, wish we had that ground ball in the 7th:bang:

[KronoRed]

yeah - but Ears has a worse attitude to some. ;)
What stat is that under? :D

[Matt700wlw]

and what does that tell you:bang:


That wasn't the question :D

[flyer85]

Maybe RA will make the last out

[CTA513]

makes sense to me, when do they bring in a Coffey to close? :D

Coffey will pitch an inning after the games over.

;)

[TheBigLebowski]

Surprising Matt "3 of my 4 HR's are against Reds' Pitching" Murton didn't burn us there.

[reds44]

Be patient. Dempster couldn't find the zone last night.

[Matt700wlw]

Cubs bring in Womack.

Must be for defense :evil:

[KronoRed]

Cubs bring in Womack.

Must be the defense :evil:
Or the solid verteran know how to win stuff ;)

[reds44]

It seems like Ray always puts a good swing on the ball.

[KronoRed]

Olmedo up, is Freel hurt?

[GAC]

and weathers is still on this team, why?

1.30 WHIP .231 BAA 3.60 ERA

Not bad numbers IMO

[reds44]

Felipe doubles.


BP needs to find some way to get on.

[Matt700wlw]

Reds on the brink of only losing their 14th NL Central game.


They've won (I believe) 25.

[George Foster]

two good swings against Dumpster....is there hope?

[vaticanplum]

Olmedo just misses, then a double from FeLo.

We're going to win this one.

[KronoRed]

Just don't bunt

[reds44]

2-0 on BP

[vaticanplum]

base hit! FeLo scores

[reds44]

BP singles!!!! Felipe scores!!!

Junior is the tieing run!!!

[KronoRed]

This is the Dempster I remember

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey has the swing on the first pitch off Dempster syndrome.

[reds44]

God Junior.

2 nights in a row swinging at the 1st pitch in the 9th.

[George Foster]

the reason he did not take a pitch again tonight is????

[vaticanplum]

Griffey flies out on first pitch I think? Dang

[GAC]

Damn Jr! 1st pitch swinging vs Dumpster! GRRRRRRR!

[vaticanplum]

Oh my God I'm going to kill Pat Hughes.

[reds44]

Rich follows Junior at swinign.

[KronoRed]

Was it a good pitch to hit? sure didn't look like one

[WVRedsFan]

Rich, our savior, is up to bat. :bang:

[CTA513]

Reds lose 4-2 and have a 2 game losing streak.

[KronoRed]

Dangit.

[George Foster]

Three pitches....two outs....work the damn count guys...this guy is wild. Poor hitting

[BoydsOfSummer]

Booooooooo Blue!!

[reds44]

Reds lose 4-2 and have a 2 game losing streak.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

We suck, I'm jumping of the bandwagon.

;)

The Cubs have out number this year.

[CTA513]

Three pitches....two outs....work the damn count guys...this guy is wild. Poor hitting

Its the same thing the guys did last night.

:bang:

[KronoRed]

I expect that from Rich, but I wish JR has worked it a bit more

Oh well

[CTA513]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

We suck, I'm jumping of the bandwagon.

;)

The Cubs have out number this year.


Just wait till tomorrow when the Reds face a rookie.

:help:

[George Foster]

Can Narron give Berry a sign to give to Jr. Take a pitch?

[vaticanplum]

No errors for the Reds today, that's something.

Really tough loss for Claussen. Poor guy.

[KronoRed]

Coffey ends up not being used

Just sayin

[Matt700wlw]

Give us another good one tomorrow, Milton!

[M2]

Well, thank God Adam Dunn didn't come to the plate with a chance to the tie the game.

[CTA513]

Can Narron give Berry a sign to give to Jr. Take a pitch?

They should just put it up on the big screen.

[CTA513]

Coffey ends up not being used

Just sayin

I guess thats what happens when your the closer.

:devil:

[flyer85]

Well, thank God Adam Dunn didn't come to the plate with a chance to the tie the game.I did predict RA would make the final out

[George Foster]

I did predict RA would make the final out

You seem happy about your prediction

[George Foster]

Ya know...if Phillips gets up and did not throw from his knees..that's the 3rd out in the 7th...just sayin

[M2]

I did predict RA would make the final out

True. It's like Narron created a giant funnel leading up to that moment of despair.

[flyer85]

You seem happy about your predictionI'm sure it is the reason he did

[alloverjr]

Horrible and selfish AB by Rich there. He tried to yank both pitches over the wall in left and be the hero with Dunn on deck. I don't have as much of a problem with Jr swinging on the first pitch, although I didn't see the AB, but Rich's 1st order of business should have been to get Dunn up, especially with a guy that hasn't thrown consecutive strikes in 2 days. Freel at 3B tomorrow, please.

[KronoRed]

Well, thank God Adam Dunn didn't come to the plate with a chance to the tie the game.
He might have done something horrible like walk and bring Kearns up

[reds44]

Horrible and selfish AB by Rich there. He tried to yank both pitches over the wall in left and be the hero with Dunn on deck. I don't have as much of a problem with Jr swinging on the first pitch, although I didn't see the AB, but Rich's 1st order of business should have been to get Dunn up, especially with a guy that hasn't thrown consecutive strikes in 2 days. Freel at 3B tomorrow, please.
RA is the most selfish player on the team.

[flyer85]

He tried to yank both pitches over the wall in left that is who he is, a hacker

[CTA513]

The Reds lost both yesterday and todays game in the 7th inning.

:barf:

[flyer85]

RA is the most selfish player on the team.Simply because he hacks at pitches in the 9th just like he always does. He is who he is, which is a poor guy to have batting cleanup, which doesn't make him selfish.

[reds44]

Simply because he hacks at pitches in the 9th just like he always does. He is who he is, which is a poor guy to have batting cleanup
Nope, if you read some of his comments the last few years (which you probably have) you would know that he is very selfish.

[reds44]

Just win tomorrow and pick up the split.

[reds44]

Yes!!! Bad Billy Hall doubles in Weeks and the Brews have tied the Cards 3-3 in the 7th.

[reds44]

Boo ya! Cory Hart singles, Brew Crew leads 4-3 in the bottom of the 8th!

[CTA513]

The Brewers have 9 hits and have walked 8 times, but only have 4 runs... I bet they are taking lessons from the Reds.

;)

[CTA513]

Turnbow in to close the game for the Brewers.

John Rodriguez strikes out. 1 out.
Aaron Miles grounds out. 2 outs.
David Eckstein strikes out. 3 outs.

Brewers win 4-3

[reds44]

1 more Turnbow

[reds44]

Man he hit 99 on the gun.

[reds44]

He Gone!!!!!! Eckstein K's. Game over.


Still only .5 games back.

[traderumor]

Game Over, Brew Crew helps us out.

[CTA513]

I hope the Reds can get to Marmol tomorrow, but they always seem to have trouble going against rookies.

[KronoRed]

Usually it's soft tossing rookies.

[CrackerJack]

The Reds lost both yesterday and todays game in the 7th inning.

:barf:


Yeah right now this team truly lacks a reliable BP guy to go to when you need that big out, or to get out of a jam.

No Scott Sullivan's on this team.

[CTA513]

Usually it's soft tossing rookies.

I seen one site say Marmol is around 94-97 mph with his fastball.
I dont know if its true, but I dont know of any other sites to check with to find out.

[Falls City Beer]

I said at the time that picking up Yan smacked of desperation. I have no reason to reassess that opinion.

To that pickup, I say, "Don't crap in my hand and call it a sundae."

[KronoRed]

Yeah right now this team truly lacks a reliable BP guy to go to when you need that big out, or to get out of a jam.

No Scott Sullivan's on this team.
They could use Coffey, and I would and worry about the 9th if it ever came to that.

[GAC]

They could use Coffey, and I would and worry about the 9th if it ever came to that.

I totally agree with that. You're worried about saving him for the 9th when the game is on the line in the 7th or 8th? Ridiculous IMO.

But then I've always shown skepticism at this set closer role, as if it has to be one player, written in stone.

[GAC]

Nope, if you read some of his comments the last few years (which you probably have) you would know that he is very selfish.

I didn't agree with some of the comments he made last year; but wanting to play, and thinking you can contribute (which he did last year) is not selfishness IMO.

If that is the case, then most players are selfish.

I've heard Freel, Lopez, Kearns, Pena, and others, in the past, complain about not getting the playing time they think they somehow deserved.

The reason Dunn is not at 1B is because he doesn't want to play there.

The reason JR is still in CF is because he wants to play there.

Are the above being selfish?