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redsfan30
06-10-2006, 06:06 PM
1. J Pierre, CF
2. T Walker, 2B
3. M Barrett, C
4. P Nevin, 1B
5. A Ramirez, 3B
6. M Murton, LF
7. J Jones, RF
8. N Perez, SS
9. C Zambrano, P

1. F Lopez, SS
2. B Phillips, 2B
3. K Griffey Jr., CF
4. R Aurilia, 3B
5. A Dunn, LF
6. S Hatteberg, 1B
7. A Kearns, RF
8. D Ross, C
9. B Claussen, P

captainmorgan07
06-10-2006, 06:08 PM
good sign kearns in right must be okay

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 06:09 PM
Ross catching :)

Claussen pitching :yikes:

MrCinatit
06-10-2006, 06:10 PM
Must be Scrappy Vet Batting Cleanup Day today. For both teams.

RedFanAlways1966
06-10-2006, 06:10 PM
No Tony Womack for the Cubs? The REDS might win tonight...

:evil:

Jpup
06-10-2006, 06:16 PM
Ross is going to be the everyday catcher, one would have to believe. Larue has got to be traded in the next week. He's useless sitting on the bench.

Caveat Emperor
06-10-2006, 06:19 PM
good sign kearns in right must be okay

The ol' "Ow my leg!" grab right after getting beaten badly on a play -- a staple of pickup football and basketball games nationwide. :evil:

Good news about Kearns. Hopefully he can avoid an embarassing missteps tonight.

kyred14
06-10-2006, 06:23 PM
Claussen's going to throw a shutout tonight.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 06:24 PM
Claussen's going to throw a shutout tonight.

Both Claussen and Zambrano are throwing no hitters right now.

;)

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 06:32 PM
Claussen's going to throw a shutout tonight.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me.

Then again, it wouldn't shock me if he threw 115 pitches in 5 inning giving up 6 or 7 runs.

His inconsistantcy is his only consistantcy.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 06:49 PM
we really need to strike early in this game...get into z-man's head and get him flustered...

TheBigLebowski
06-10-2006, 07:01 PM
I have a bad feeling Claussen's going to do a nice Dave Williams impression tonight - get rocked for a lot of runs early, thus inspiring the Reds bats to carry him to victory.

Think we win a high-scoring game, 'bout 8-6.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:08 PM
Zambrano had a great game in the start prior to this one, hopefully he used up all his mojo and was on the computer alot after it so the reds can jump on him quick tonight.

note: Zambrano got tendinitis in his forearm last year because he was on his computer so much with his pals in Venezuela

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:13 PM
2 up, 2 down.

Highlifeman21
06-10-2006, 07:13 PM
Phillips in the 2 hole, Dunn in the 5 hole?

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:14 PM
Quick, good start for Claussen.

1,2,3 - 12 pitches.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:15 PM
Pierre K
Walker 4-3 GO
Barrett Fouls out to the Hat

Reds coming up

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:17 PM
lopez fouls down the line to right on the 1st pitch

Gallen5862
06-10-2006, 07:17 PM
That sounds like a good start.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:17 PM
That sounds like a good start.

Definitely

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:18 PM
Phillips takes two balls and two strikes and then takes a close strike 3 to K looking

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:18 PM
Junior almost got that one...a double nonetheless

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:19 PM
Griffey doubles in the corner on a ball that Murton kinda of gave up on that hit just fair.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:20 PM
Aurilla hitting cleanup (not my choice) fouls out to first on the first pitch.

Griffey hit the first pitch as well

0-0 after one

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 07:21 PM
Good to see the guys are showing patience tonight.

Highlifeman21
06-10-2006, 07:22 PM
I haven't paid too much attention to Zambrano over the years, is he a first pitch strike kinda guy? Is there a reason we're hacking at the first thing we see, or is this lack of patience?

CTA513
06-10-2006, 07:22 PM
4 guys up in the 1st and 3 of them swing at the first pitch.
8 pitches for Zambrano in the 1st.

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 07:23 PM
I haven't paid too much attention to Zambrano over the years, is he a first pitch strike kinda guy? Is there a reason we're hacking at the first thing we see, or is this lack of patience?

Lack of patience. Zambrano usually throws a ton of pitches, IIRC he leads the NL is pitches per start.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:24 PM
Phil nevin leads off watching 3 balls before Claussen gets 2 strikes

He then gets a lazy fly to Kearns who watches it into the glove

GAC
06-10-2006, 07:24 PM
chat is open

CTA513
06-10-2006, 07:24 PM
Lack of patience. Zambrano usually throws a ton of pitches, IIRC he leads the NL is pitches per start.

He also walks alot of batters, so far hes walked 49 this year.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:25 PM
Ramirez watches 1 ball and a strike then swings on strike 2

He then lashes a double to left

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:28 PM
Hal says Castellini told him that if this team is in the thick of it come July, they WILL do something. Hal also says Castellini mentioned relief pitching would be a key target.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:28 PM
Matt Murton quickly falls behind 0-2 watches a ball and then fouls one, finally a lazy fly to Griffey


Claussen needs a pitch to put batters away

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 07:28 PM
Hal says Castellini told him that if this team is in the thick of it come July, they WILL do something. Hal also says Castellini mentioned relief pitching would be a key target.

Why wait until July?

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:29 PM
Jones takes a bad cut after ball one 1-1 then watches strike 2 and fouls into Ross's mit out 3

It didn't appear live that Ross caught it but I am still waiting on Comcast for a replay

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 07:32 PM
three words...take a pitch

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:32 PM
Why wait until July?

Teams generally don't make major moves until around deadline time. I'm sure if something came available before then, they would jump on it.

Some teams are still hanging in there that won't be by then, also.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:33 PM
Dunn flys out on the first pitch

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:34 PM
The HAt Walks after fouling one off. Zambrano has a mini spaz at himself. the pitch wasn't close

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 07:34 PM
I'm glad I'm not watching this game. Nothing more frustrating than watching a bunch of hackers at the plate.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 07:36 PM
zambrano leads the league in walks, but virtually everyone is going up first pitch swinging...sigh

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 07:41 PM
womack and blanco have each had some hits this series...look for the light hitting neifi to do the same:bang:

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:41 PM
Kearns looked ridiculous K'ing

Ross grounds right to Neifi

0-0 after 2

GAC
06-10-2006, 07:42 PM
Chat is open! :beerme:

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:42 PM
Neifi getting good cuts, fouls 4 off and then K on high cheese

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 07:43 PM
Chat is open! :beerme:


are you all alone again;)

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:44 PM
Zambrano goes to 2-2 and K's

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:45 PM
Pierre up for the second time gets a double into the corner in rt

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 07:45 PM
early bird found the worm...pierre breaks an 0 - 16 run

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:47 PM
Claussen at 50 pitches...

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:48 PM
walker fouls a bunch off then flys to dunn

CTA513
06-10-2006, 07:51 PM
Claussen at 50 pitches...

I hope that he learns another pitch that can be used as an out pitch.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:52 PM
Claussen grounds out after seeing a few pitches

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 07:53 PM
Claussen works Z for 6 pitches, putting him at 30 for 2.1 innings, compared to Claussen at 51 for 3. Patience, patience, patience.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:54 PM
lopez sees 5 pitches this time then flies out to Murton.

fourth opposite way fly out for Reds Batters

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 07:55 PM
35 pitches as Lo[ezflies out to left. I hope Felipe didnt take yesterday's loss hard, if he lets it get in his head, he could seriously struggle.

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 07:55 PM
BPhil grounds to Nevin weakly

0-0 through 3

Elam
06-10-2006, 07:56 PM
Claussen saw the most pitches out of any Red so far today, wow.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 07:56 PM
4 pitch GO for Phillips. Z at 39 pitches through 3, his ERA now at 2.99. Wow.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 07:58 PM
:griffey:

:clap: What a catch!

smith288
06-10-2006, 07:58 PM
Great catch

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 07:58 PM
Out of curiosity:

When you click on a batter's name in Gameday, it pops up the splits and stats for matchups, recent play, season, carer, etc. What are the stats that pop up for the pitcher, are they the stats against?

GAC
06-10-2006, 07:58 PM
Jr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

MrCinatit
06-10-2006, 07:59 PM
WOW - nice catch, Junior....I think I felt him hit the wall from here

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 07:59 PM
wow, that was a nice catch by jr...hope he's ok

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:00 PM
:griffey:

:clap: What a catch!

No TV here. Lucy, you got some splainin to do.

TeamCasey
06-10-2006, 08:02 PM
Oh man! I didn't think the game started until after 7:00. I've been outside having a campfire.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:02 PM
Aramis HBP, Claussen WHiPping 1.0 so far.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:03 PM
ramirez gets plunked on the elbow...murton follows up with a basehit...oy vey

LincolnparkRed
06-10-2006, 08:03 PM
Sorry baby duty called

but as I come back Murton single to left after Aram was HBP 2 on 2 out

Jones pops the 1st pitch to richie for the 3rd out

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:04 PM
Murton basehit, runners on first and second, 2 outs. There goes Claussens WHIP.

1st pitch pop up by Jones. 65 pitches by Brandon through 4.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:05 PM
ramirez gets plunked on the elbow...murton follows up with a basehit...oy vey

that hit by pitch sounded like it hit bone.

:eek:

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:06 PM
jr letting four low pitches go by him for a walk...sure wish he tried that last night ;)

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:06 PM
5 pitch walk to Junior.

smith288
06-10-2006, 08:08 PM
jr letting four low pitches go by him for a walk...sure wish he tried that last night ;)
I was pretty ticked at Jr after last night... Dempster walks the world and Griffey first pitch swings....man i was ticked.

He's making up for it with that catch.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:09 PM
Aurilia 2 pitch can o corn to center, Dunn 4 pitch walk, 1st and 2nd 1 out for Hattie.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:12 PM
Z lost a sense of the zone, went to 3-0 to Hattie, then gets him to FO to CF.

55 pitches now for Z.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:12 PM
first and second with one out...can't score...ugly

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:13 PM
Kearns first pitch hitting to right fielder, 3 outs.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:13 PM
Kind of like last night when the other batters were walking and some other players go up swinging at the first pitch.

:/

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 08:13 PM
Don't tell me Hatteberg swung at a 3-0 pitch?

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:15 PM
Don't tell me Hatteberg swung at a 3-0 pitch?

No he watched the 3-0 pitch for a strike and then swung at the 3-1 pitch.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:15 PM
Don't tell me Hatteberg swung at a 3-0 pitch?

no, he swung on a 3 - 1 pitch

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:17 PM
bc walks the pitcher:bang:

George Foster
06-10-2006, 08:17 PM
The Claussen mental lapses begins

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:18 PM
Don't tell me Hatteberg swung at a 3-0 pitch?

No, took it right down the middle.

I am not sure how I feel about some hitters taking 3-0 pitches. The whole green light thing seems VERY over-rated. It seems far to often that the pitcher gets a free pass to a 3-1 count, than gets punished by a walk. I know its unorthodox, but I would not mind more selective, patient hitters get the proverbial "go."

Claussen Ks Perez, walks Z, Pierre up with 1 out.

smith288
06-10-2006, 08:20 PM
Walker just seems lost right now thank God.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:20 PM
Pierre GO on 4 pitches, Walker first pitch GO. 78 pitches for Claussen through 5.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:23 PM
5 pitch K looking on the outside corner for Ross. 61 pitches for Z.

Another 5 pitch K from Claussen, 66 for Z.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 08:24 PM
No, took it right down the middle.

I am not sure how I feel about some hitters taking 3-0 pitches. The whole green light thing seems VERY over-rated. It seems far to often that the pitcher gets a free pass to a 3-1 count, than gets punished by a walk. I know its unorthodox, but I would not mind more selective, patient hitters get the proverbial "go."

Claussen Ks Perez, walks Z, Pierre up with 1 out.

I think it depends on who you are facing as a hitter. Zambronio could throw a strike at anytime. He did not want to pitch to Dunn or Jr. I would be more inclined to give a hitter a green light when I know the pitcher has better control and seems to have command of his pitches.

Last night is a perfect example when you needed to take pitches. Dempster was out of control, no command of his pitches. Phillips and especially Griffey needed to take more pitches...hell he could have thrown one in the dirt and tied the game. Poor hitting.

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:26 PM
Lopez, 5 pitch walk, Phillips up with 2 out.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:29 PM
four walks by zambrano and nothing to show for it...

reds44
06-10-2006, 08:30 PM
four walks by zambrano and nothing to show for it...
Balls not carry at all.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 08:30 PM
four walks by zambrano and nothing to show for it...

I doubt any of those walks were by accident.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:31 PM
This could be the inning Claussen screws this up.

Hopefully not, though.

reds44
06-10-2006, 08:32 PM
Is that a Let's Go Cubs chant????


Terrible.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 08:32 PM
This could be the inning Claussen screws this up.

Hopefully not, though.

The statistics say you are right

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:35 PM
Claussen strikes out his 7th!

reds44
06-10-2006, 08:36 PM
Nice play by Felipe.

Runs please!

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:36 PM
The statistics say you are right

Stats lie :)

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:38 PM
i think this will be our inning:beerme:

TheBigLebowski
06-10-2006, 08:38 PM
STL up 2-0 on MIL, 2nd inning

TheBigLebowski
06-10-2006, 08:39 PM
Stupid shift.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:40 PM
Rich must have plans tonight....

DoogMinAmo
06-10-2006, 08:41 PM
3 pitches, 2 outs. Worse than Z being in for another inning, Claussen probably stays in now too. 92 pitches for him, but I hate pushing his luck.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:41 PM
Dunn walks :D

TheBigLebowski
06-10-2006, 08:43 PM
Geez.

Why do we struggle so against the Cubs, when the rest of the NL destroys them?

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:44 PM
yet another wasted base on balls...z can pitch all night long, let's hope bc can continue his good night so far

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:44 PM
Dunn walks :D

Dunn wont get anything to hit this game.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:45 PM
Geez.

Why do we struggle so against the Cubs, when the rest of the NL destroys them?


They're the Reds new Brewers

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:47 PM
Claussen at 100 -- 69 of which were strikes

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 08:49 PM
In a year where the Reds finally figure out how to beat the Astros, Brewers, and Cardinals(combined 16-5 vs those three clubs), they struggle against the bottom-feeders of the NL Central(just 9-8 vs Cubs and Pirates).

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:50 PM
In a year where the Reds finally figure out how to beat the Astros, Brewers, and Cardinals(combined 16-5 vs those three clubs), they struggle against the bottom-feeders of the NL Central(just 9-8 vs Cubs and Pirates).

Devil Rays had the Yankees number last season, if I remember correctly.

Baseball is a strange game.

oneupper
06-10-2006, 08:50 PM
In a year where the Reds finally figure out how to beat the Astros, Brewers, and Cardinals(combined 16-5 vs those three clubs), they struggle against the bottom-feeders of the NL Central(just 9-8 vs Cubs and Pirates).


Payback for knocking them out of the playoffs in 2004.

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 08:51 PM
Cubs still batting?

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:51 PM
Uh oh.

reds44
06-10-2006, 08:51 PM
BP saved a run.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:52 PM
another bad throw to first...granted, it was a nice stop by bp...:bang:

reds44
06-10-2006, 08:53 PM
another bad throw to first...granted, it was a nice stop by bp...:bang:
That was from his knees. I can't fault him.

smith288
06-10-2006, 08:54 PM
im inclined to believe Hatt could have stretched and got him.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 08:55 PM
Walker walks. Bases are loaded.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:55 PM
bad call on walker...he should be out...felipe should have been so lucky last night...:angry:

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 08:55 PM
Esteban Yan coming in to pitch.

reds44
06-10-2006, 08:56 PM
Come on Steven.

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 08:56 PM
1-2 count and you walk him.

What's worse is him giving up hits to Neifi Perez and Juan Pierre. I would dig a hole and bury my head in it if I gave up as hit to Perez and Pierre. ;)

smith288
06-10-2006, 08:56 PM
Claussen pitches a dandy and the reds give him bumpkus.

CrackerJack
06-10-2006, 08:56 PM
This will be a tough one to stomach if they lose, when Claussen gives you that many scoreless innings. Gotta win these.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:57 PM
That pitched looked close on TV and checking MLB gameday it was just on the edge of the strike zone.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:57 PM
Claussen pitches a dandy and the reds give him bumpkus.

Zambrano really isnt giving them anything to hit.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
wow, my heart skipped a beat on that pitch...

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Barrett grand slam 4-0 Cubs.

smith288
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Yan sucks.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Game over.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Well....

:bang:

flyer85
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
I would have brought in Coffey

I wrote this before the slam

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
i'm disgusted...game over:angry: :bang:

Reds4Life
06-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Ugh.

Worst. Bullpen. Ever.

smith288
06-10-2006, 09:00 PM
Full circle...

Reds start a great 8 game win streak at Chicago, Chicago comes here and rips all our hearts out.

CrackerJack
06-10-2006, 09:00 PM
Ugh.

Worst. Bullpen. Ever.

Amen to that. I've seen enough of these jokers. It's past time to make some changes.

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:00 PM
The biggest out of the game and you allow a bad relief pitcher, and make no mistake that is what Yan is, to come in and try to get that out. There is a reason Yan has been released time and time again

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:00 PM
So with tonights loss the Reds get to face a rookie pitcher tomorrow.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:01 PM
Wasn't the pitchings fault tonight.

BoydsOfSummer
06-10-2006, 09:01 PM
Anybody surprised that just happened? You shouldn't be. Yan has been consistently awful for quite awhile now.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:01 PM
Wasn't the pitchings fault tonight.

Can't really argue that.

Reds get some runs, and things maybe pan out differently.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:01 PM
We have 9 outs left.

People how many times does this team have to come back before you stop giving up?

Aronchis
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
1-2 count and you walk him.

What's worse is him giving up hits to Neifi Perez and Juan Pierre. I would dig a hole and bury my head in it if I gave up as hit to Perez and Pierre. ;)

Error on BP. Easy out, doesn't matter if he dived(which he didn't fully), that his throw was that atrocious, was simply a no no. Walker did K.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
well, we all knew we were going to lose this one anyway, didn't we?

grand slam from the guy who punched out aj alphabet and appealed his decision so he could still play...this sucks

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
That's why that loss last night hurt so bad. I knew that loss would be the turning point.

Oh well. It's good that they are starting their downfall early so that they can deal some of these guys off for prospects to maybe help them in 2008.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
EE makes that play.

Phhhl
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
I'm not surprised. But, I don't think I have ever been more po'd off.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
Error on BP. Easy out, doesn't matter if he dived(which he didn't fully), that his throw was that atrocious, was simply a no no. Walker did K.
:bang:

That wasn't an error. He threw from his knees.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
EE makes that play.

But does he make a good throw? ;)

smith288
06-10-2006, 09:02 PM
This is exactly the kind of stuff that happens to a hard luck team.

Forget that 8 game win streak...already seems like eons ago.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:03 PM
But does he make a good throw? ;)
More times then not.

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 09:03 PM
Wasn't the pitchings fault tonight.

He gave up hits to Neifi Perez and Juan Pierre, two of the worst hitters in the world. This was partly Claussen's fault.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:03 PM
Now it starts to rain at the park.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 09:03 PM
We have 9 outs left.

People how many times does this team have to come back before you stop giving up?


they're playing against zambrano...not your average pitcher

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:04 PM
Wasn't the pitchings fault tonight.Narron gets this one. The biggest out of the game isn't always in the 9th inning. It would be nice if Narron would manage that way

Aronchis
06-10-2006, 09:04 PM
:bang:

That wasn't an error. He threw from his knees.

Yep, it was a error. Even though Pierre was fast, BP didn't even try to get himself set, if he would of, Pierre would have been out. He just threw it away.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:04 PM
He gave up hits to Neifi Perez and Juan Pierre, two of the worst hitters in the world. This was partly Claussen's fault.
You score 0 runs, and you will lose 100% of the time.

It was the hittings fault. I'll take 6 2/3 of 3 run ball from our 5th starter every day of the year.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:04 PM
Narron gets this one. The biggest out of the game isn't always in the 9th inning. It would be nice if Narron would manage that way

Hes always bring bad pitchers in when the games close.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:05 PM
How long do you leave Yan out there?


God Jerry.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:05 PM
Yan comes in gives up a grand slam, 2 singles and a walk. Bases loaded again.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:05 PM
Hes always bring bad pitchers in when the games close.

He doesn't have a whole lot to work with.....but...

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 09:05 PM
He gave up hits to Neifi Perez and Juan Pierre, two of the worst hitters in the world. This was partly Claussen's fault.


exactly...hits to these types of players are uncalled for

BoydsOfSummer
06-10-2006, 09:05 PM
Nice. Reload 'em. What a dung beetle.

smith288
06-10-2006, 09:05 PM
Mays is up... LOL!

smith288
06-10-2006, 09:06 PM
If Jaque Ks i will laugh...Yan's a joke

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:06 PM
He doesn't have a whole lot to work with.....but...

Thats true, but in a game like this you bring in your best pitcher... he did not.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:06 PM
Coffey is the closer, you don't bring him in there.

I don't know who you bring in there, but they had their best hitter up against the worst bullpen in baseball.

advantage Cubs.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 09:06 PM
How long do you leave Yan out there?


God Jerry.

Yan is a clown.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:06 PM
Figures we get that call now.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:06 PM
Finally the nightmare inning is over.

smith288
06-10-2006, 09:07 PM
If Jaque Ks i will laugh...Yan's a joke
Ok... so Jones is a joke. :lol:

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:07 PM
Why is Barrett even playing? The MLB appeal system is a joke.

Red in Chicago
06-10-2006, 09:07 PM
bad call last night kept them from tying the game...bad call today on walker, keeps the inning alive, thus allowing the grand slam...

conspiracy against the reds..."the man" keeping a small market team down:evil:

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:07 PM
He doesn't have a whole lot to work with.....but...I really never even considered he would bring in Yan. It seemed to me his only choices were Weathers/Coffey. Unfortunately Yan has fooled some by throwing a few good innings. He is a pitcher with little command and has no business on this roster, at least Shack had a reason for being.

GullyFoyle
06-10-2006, 09:08 PM
Coffey is the closer, you don't bring him in there.

I don't know who you bring in there, but they had their best hitter up against the worst bullpen in baseball.

advantage Cubs.

you bring in your best reliever in the most important situations... that would be Coffey...

kyred14
06-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Narron proves again that he's not a good manager.

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Reds choke again in front of a huge crowd.

I have tickets for tomorrow's game. Figures that they start sucking again after I order tickets. Everytime I have went this year I have witnessed horrible games and crappy weather. Looks like I will get both again tomorrow.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:09 PM
you bring in your best reliever in the most important situations... that would be Coffey...
Nope I disagree. Do the Yanks bring Rivera in there? Nope. Do the White Sox bring Jenks in? Nope.

Base runners please.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:10 PM
Why is Barrett even playing? The MLB appeal system is a joke.

Steve was talking earlier that there still is no word from MLB about his appeal.

That is a joke!

George Foster
06-10-2006, 09:10 PM
Boy I really question Jerry's thinking sometimes. I use to watch a lot of Braves games on WTBS....don't remember a lot of bad Bobby Cox decisions.

GAC
06-10-2006, 09:11 PM
That's why that loss last night hurt so bad. I knew that loss would be the turning point.

Oh well. It's good that they are starting their downfall early so that they can deal some of these guys off for prospects to maybe help them in 2008.

C'mon. That is simply ridiculous.

We're gonna lose two straight and the bottom has fallen out?

Geez! :rolleyes:

kyred14
06-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Nope I disagree. Do the Yanks bring Rivera in there? Nope. Do the White Sox bring Jenks in? Nope.

Base runners please.

Who cares what they do? Coffey or Weathers are the only logical choices. Horrible managing.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Speaking of jokes.

Q is up.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:11 PM
C'mon. That is simply ridiculous.

We're gonna lose two straight and the bottom has fallen out.

Geez! :rolleyes:


I will refrain from my window comments today.... :D

OnBaseMachine
06-10-2006, 09:11 PM
C'mon. That is simply ridiculous.

We're gonna lose two straight and the bottom has fallen out.

Geez! :rolleyes:

Two straight losses to the Royals...err the Cubs.

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:12 PM
Coffey is the closer, you don't bring him in there.that's what happens when you are stuck in a box and do not understand game and situation and so you let a bad pitcher decide the outcome of a game simply because a pitcher had been defined as a "closer".

The goal should be to have your best pitcher out there in the highest leverage situation. For some reason I think Coffey isn't going to get to "close" this game tonight.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:12 PM
Who cares what they do? Coffey or Weathers are the only logical choices. Horrible managing.
Then you birng in Weathers, Coffey isn't an option.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:12 PM
Two straight losses to the Royals...err the Cubs.

If they lose 2 to the Royals...I will be surely miffed :eek:

GullyFoyle
06-10-2006, 09:13 PM
Nope I disagree. Do the Yanks bring Rivera in there? Nope. Do the White Sox bring Jenks in? Nope.

Maybe they spend more money on their relievers so they have better ones?

And just because they do it shouldn't make it the case that the Reds do it. That was an obvious turning point, in my opinion, so why wouldn't you do everything possible from it becoming bad?

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:13 PM
that's what happens when you are stuck in a box and do not understand game and situation and so you let a bad pitcher decide the outcome of a game simply because a pitcher had been defined as a "closer".

The goal should be to have your best pitcher out there in the highest leverage situation. For some reason I think Coffey isn't going to get to "close" this game tonight.
No you don't. You don't bring your closer in the 7th. No manager in baseball would. Just another reason to bash Narron.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 09:13 PM
Reds choke again in front of a huge crowd.

I have tickets for tomorrow's game. Figures that they start sucking again after I order tickets. Everytime I have went this year I have witnessed horrible games and crappy weather. Looks like I will get both again tomorrow.

I said the samething last night. A Guy works all week, takes his family to the game spends $200.00 for this....does not want to make you come back anytime soon. You can't promise a win with a big crowd, but it seems like EVERYTIME we have a big crowd...we lose.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:14 PM
McCracken triples to center.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:14 PM
Pierre misplayed that one badly.


Get Q home.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:14 PM
No you don't. You don't bring your closer in the 7th. No manager in baseball would. Just another reason to bash Narron.

Coffey could have "saved" that inning, now he has nothing to save.

GAC
06-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Two straight losses to the Royals...err the Cubs.

So? We just ran thru the Cards and Houston, and won 8 straight.

What is our overall record versus the division this year?

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Pierre misplayed that one badly.




Deno....ah, nevermind.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Lopez walks on 4 pitches. 1st and 3rd.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Coffey could have "saved" that inning, now he has nothing to save.
You do not bring your closer into a game in the 7th inning. No managers in baseball would.


Felipe walks. Come on BP.

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Nice to see Kearns playing

Claussen..ugh.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:15 PM
So? We just ran thru the Cards and Houston, and won 8 straight.

What is our overall record versus the division this year?

Better than the Cardinals and Houston's (I think...don't quote me)

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:16 PM
Deno....ah, nevermind.
:laugh:

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:16 PM
Nice to see Kearns playing

Claussen..ugh.
Wasn't Claussen's fault. He gave us a quality start.

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:16 PM
You do not bring your closer into a game in the 7th inning. No managers in baseball would.

Sadly.

This is why I hate the save stat, it teaches managers to save the best reliever for the end of the game.

kyred14
06-10-2006, 09:16 PM
Coffey was an option, there wasn't going to be a bigger at bat.

BoydsOfSummer
06-10-2006, 09:16 PM
Rally up boys,get the taste of bile out of my mouth!

GullyFoyle
06-10-2006, 09:17 PM
You do not bring your closer into a game in the 7th inning. No managers in baseball would.

It wont stay that way...

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:18 PM
No you don't. You don't bring your closer in the 7th. No manager in baseball would. Just another reason to bash Narron.the role of the modern closer is simply a manifestation of people who don't have a proper understanding of the leverage of a given situation. I don't care what another manager would have done. All I know is the goal should be have your best relievers pitching the most important outs. The modern closer is a recent invention mainly of Larussa and there is little logic in it or any flexibility allowed in it's usage. No thinking outside the box is allowed.

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:19 PM
You do not bring your closer into a game in the 7th inning. No managers in baseball would.
that is not a defense

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:19 PM
Sadly.

This is why I hate the save stat, it teaches managers to save the best reliever for the end of the game.
Yep could be true, but Narron did what 100% of managers in baseball would do by not putting Coffey in?

Now weather I agree with putting Yan in or not is a different story.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 09:19 PM
I wish someone on the Reds staff would put one right in Zambrano's ear hole when he bats....lets see if he bit's that upper lip and pumps that fist...he is bush league. Needs an attitude adjustment bigtime.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:20 PM
You do not bring your closer into a game in the 7th inning. No managers in baseball would.


Felipe walks. Come on BP.

Its now 4-0 and Coffey wont be on the mound tonight unless its for some work.

:evil:

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:20 PM
He'd charge the mound

I hope they do bean him :evil:

Reds4Life
06-10-2006, 09:21 PM
I wish someone on the Reds staff would put one right in Zambrano's ear hole when he bats....lets see if he bit's that upper lip and pumps that fist...he is bush league. Needs an attitude adjustment bigtime.

Throwing at someone's head is the ultimate bush league.

If you want to plunk a guy for showing off, fine, but you don't throw at someones head on purpose.

GullyFoyle
06-10-2006, 09:22 PM
Yep could be true, but Narron did what 100% of managers in baseball would do by not putting Coffey in?

Now weather I agree with putting Yan in or not is a different story.

I hear you, but Narron could have made a case for keeping him on next year with that situation.

So he might not have done any worse than others but he could have done better.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 09:22 PM
Sadly.

This is why I hate the save stat, it teaches managers to save the best reliever for the end of the game.

That is an excellent point:thumbup:

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:22 PM
Its now 4-0 and Coffey wont be on the mound tonight unless its for some work.

:evil:
And if Yan gets out of it, maybe we hit a homer and he comes into the game in the 9th in a 1-0 game.

Hindsight is 20/20.

We still have 0 runs, and we still would lose 100% of the time.

BCubb2003
06-10-2006, 09:22 PM
Joe Mays Hayes is in.

George Foster
06-10-2006, 09:23 PM
Throwing at someone's head is the ultimate bush league.

If you want to plunk a guy for showing off, fine, but you don't throw at someones head on purpose.

It's a figure of speech to pluck someone...off his big ass would be great.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:24 PM
Will the Reds get shut down by the rookie Marmol tomorrow?
In the minors he struck out over a batter an inning.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:24 PM
I hear you, but Narron could have made a case for keeping him on next year with that situation.

So he might not have done any worse than others but he could have done better.
He could have, but putting Coffey in there could have backfired just as easily.

This debate is going nowhere. It isn't Narron's fault we are losing, and it's not the pitching.

We have 0 runs. Enough said.

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:24 PM
Will the Reds get shut down by the rookie Marmol tomorrow?
In the minors he struck out over a batter an inning.

Alex Madrid syndrome.

Anyone know Voodoo?

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:25 PM
Joe Mays??

Is there a white flag?

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:25 PM
Joe Mays??

Is there a white flag?

No but there's 3 in a row retired :D

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:26 PM
Griffey trying to be a team player.

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:26 PM
No but there's 3 in a row retired :D
Royal castoff...beware ;)

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Griffey trying to be a team player.

He shouldnt be bunting.

:evil:

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Ewww that was nasty. Zambrono had spit on his chin.

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Junior!!!!!!

Yard.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Junior homers to right. 4-1 Cubs.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:28 PM
Well atleast the Reds wont be shut out, to bad Yan gave up that nice grandslam to Barrett.

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:28 PM
Solo HR's kill rallys :devil:

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:28 PM
:griffey:

:jump:

BoydsOfSummer
06-10-2006, 09:28 PM
SHift this you powdered blue weenies!

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
Sig updated. Junior 1 back of Schmidt.

Big Klu
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Adam Dunn - 177
10. Wally Post - 172
11. Gus Bell - 160
12. Joe Morgan - 152
12. Pete Rose - 152
14. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 149
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Matt700wlw
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
Ewww that was nasty. Zambrono had spit on his chin.

Are we sure it's spit? :eek: :D ;)

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
What the...........

flyer85
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
He could have, but putting Coffey in there could have backfired just as easily.it could but one can't make a logical argument against it. Instead all I see is an appeal to authority

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
Dunn trying to keep Zambrono in the game.

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:30 PM
Why did Rich bunt?

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:30 PM
I still cant get over the fact that Narron chose Yan over Coffey, Hammond or even Weathers.

:help:

GAC
06-10-2006, 09:31 PM
And I can't stand Zambrano as much as anyone - but he pitched a darn good game. Hasn't he flirted with no-hitters twice in the last week or so?

Ok- we may lose two to the Cubs. It's not the end of the world folks.

My goodness - this team/organization has given us more reason for hope and optimism this year that most of us never expected.

We were 5 games back a week or so ago, and came right back to be be 1st.

we'll now possibly be 1 1/2 games out.

IMO - no one is gonna run away with this division

Fasten your seat belts.

But for cryin' out loud - everyone take a deep breath. ;)

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 09:32 PM
I still cant get over the fact that Narron chose Yan over Coffey, Hammond or even Weathers.

:help:
Yan must be the new 7th inning guy

reds44
06-10-2006, 09:32 PM
Hopefully we get to see Dumpster again tonight.

Hat with a base hit.

Reds Fanatic
06-10-2006, 09:32 PM
And I can't stand Zambrano as much as anyone - but he pitched a darn good game. Hasn't he flirted with no-hitters twice in the last week or so?
Yes he threw a one hitter Monday night.

CTA513
06-10-2006, 09:32 PM
Zambrano has thrown 124+ pitches and only about 68 of them are for strikes....