6/11/06 - Reds vs. Cubs Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 7th Cubs 4 Reds 1

David Aardsma in to pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg lines out to right. 1 out.

[reds44]

This series makes me want to curse.

[vaticanplum]

Phil Nevin does not look like someone I'd want to meet in a dark alley. FYI.

HR BP!!!!

[membengal]

Winning streaks...balls are ripped to gaps.

Losing streaks...balls are ripped right to fielders.

Frustrating game sometimes.

[reds44]

BPower!!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips homers off the Batter's eye in center. 4-2 Cubs.

[Gallen5862]

BP HR.:) :party: :rockband:

[edabbs44]

Hatteberg lines out to right. 1 out.
I wonder if Jerry will ever force Dunn to move to 1B. Hatteberg could walk 40% of his ABs and I would still want him to be a part-timer.

PS: Phillips hit a BOMB.

[vaticanplum]

Yaardsma

[vaticanplum]

I take back what I said about these announcers. They've been talking about Godzilla (the monster, not Matsui) for about four innings now. I have no idea what they're talking about. I don't think it's baseball.

[reds44]

Ross walks.


Q up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross walks.

[reds44]

I take back what I said about these announcers. They've been talking about Godzilla (the monster, not Matsui) for about four innings now. I have no idea what they're talking about. I don't think it's baseball.
I don't mind Kasper and Brenly. Kasper not a bad PBP, and Brenly knows baseball.

[Joseph]

How is Q still on a big league roster?

[CTA513]

With the guys they have the bench, Narron picks McCracken... lets hope he gets a hit.

[reds44]

Q has a stance like Joe Morgan, if only he hit like him.

[edabbs44]

How is Q still on a big league roster?
I honestly cannot believe that Narron uses him the way he does. The only bat he should ever have in his hands is a fungo.

[Matt700wlw]

Oh Q...

[Reds Fanatic]

McCracken pops out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Marc D]

Q has a stance like Joe Morgan, if only he hit like him.

and a warm up routine like Willie Mays Hayes

[reds44]

I don't get that move. Q should be the last guy off the bench.

[CTA513]

.186 hitter pops up.

[vaticanplum]

Q hits the ball like a Little Leager.

Come on Freel.

[reds44]

Freel with a scrappy HBP, let's go Felipe!

[edabbs44]

I don't get that move. Q should be the last guy off the bench.
For the Bats...

Freel is an animal.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel gets hit by the pitch in the shoulder. 1st and 2nd.

[Spitball]

I take back what I said about these announcers. They've been talking about Godzilla (the monster, not Matsui) for about four innings now. I have no idea what they're talking about. I don't think it's baseball.

I thought I was the only one that had no idea what they were talking about, but I've been bouncing back and forth between the Red Sox' game and the Reds' game.

Freel hbp and a pitching change.

[CTA513]

How can you pick McCracken to pinch hit when you have Aurilia? are you saving him for the 9th or something?

:/

[Marc D]

How can you pick McCracken to pinch hit when you have Aurilia? are you saving him for the 9th or something?

:/

Aurilia, LaRue and Valentin if I'm not mistaken. Are we saving them all?

[reds44]

Come on FeLo.

[Reds Fanatic]

Will Ohman in to pitch.

[edabbs44]

How can you pick McCracken to pinch hit when you have Aurilia? are you saving him for the 9th or something?

:/
Narron has been extremely questionable lately...somewhat questionable before that.

[Matt700wlw]

Narron has been extremely questionable lately...somewhat questionable before that.

When they lose, it's questionable.

When they win, it's not.


Ok...When it's Q...it's ALWAYS :D

That's baseball.

[edabbs44]

That sucked.

[Reds Fanatic]

On a 3-1 pitch Lopez flies out to left. 4-2 Cubs after 7.

[PickOff]

Lopez just missed that one off the end of the bat.

[reds44]

This team can't get a clutch hit if it's life depended on it.

[Joseph]

How can you pick McCracken to pinch hit when you have Aurilia? are you saving him for the 9th or something?

:/

It's Narron thinking like that that cost the team this game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 8th Cubs 4 Reds 2

David Weathers in to pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Barrett singles to left.

[CTA513]

It's Narron thinking like that that cost the team this game.

He also had a questionable decision in the 7th yesterday.

:help:

[vaticanplum]

Oh for the love of God.

[reds44]

Weathers is terrible.

[Matt700wlw]

STORMY :rant:

[Reds Fanatic]

The bullpen strikes again. Nevin homers to left. 6-2 Cubs.

[CTA513]

The game is now over.

Pirates watch out.

;)

[reds44]

He also had a questionable decision in the 7th yesterday.

:help:
I wish he would have brough Weathers in.


oh wait.

[redsrule2500]

Weather sucks so bad.

[membengal]

David Weathers makes me grumpy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Murton singles to center.

[HotCorner]

Fantastic!

[Spitball]

nevin stinks :(

[CTA513]

I wish he would have brough Weathers in.


oh wait.

I wish he brought in Coffey, but he cant do that because Coffey is a closer only.

:laugh:

[Joseph]

Hey, didn't you used to be David Weathers?

[Matt700wlw]

Weathers is hurt!

What the hell was doing out there in the first place if he wasn't healthy???!?!?!

[vaticanplum]

Weathers out.

Well that was a poor diversion.

[edabbs44]

Q is like a bad dinner guest...he brings nothing to the table.

Rick White is like Pompilio's...serving up meatballs to happy customers for years.

And as I write this, Weathers is drowining. As Wayne sits and waits, the BP dousing the team with lighter fluid. And Weathers walks off the field possibly injured. Not sure if the game could have taken much worse of a turn.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now Weathers may be hurt.

[Aronchis]

The Reds pen has to be one of the worst in the game.

[Red in Chicago]

does everyone hitting at the mendoza line get to hit a home run this series...womack, nevin, neifi, blanco...

[flyer85]

Weather has now given up 8 HRs in 32IP. Coffey sure hasn't pitched a while.

[Reds Fanatic]

Chris Hammond in to pitch.

[flyer85]

The Reds pen has to be one of the worst in the game.that shouldn't be a shock. Oh wait, I forgot, they brought in Yan and Mays

[CTA513]

Weather has now given up 8 HRs in 32IP. Coffey sure hasn't pitched a while.

Coffey cant pitch unless hes closing a game.

:devil:

[CTA513]

How long before we see Burns or Gosling back with the Reds?

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones lines out to right. 1 out.

[Aronchis]

How long before we see Burns or Gosling back with the Reds?

Those guys aren't answers.

[CTA513]

Those guys aren't answers.

I know that, but the Reds dont.

[Gallen5862]

How did Weathers look like he got hurt?

[flyer85]

How did Weathers look like he got hurt?whiplash :devil:

[reds44]

We need to dig down to the Lookouts and get someone up here.

[Matt700wlw]

How did Weathers look like he got hurt?

Nothing has come out yet.

[Matt700wlw]

Cardinals leading Brewers 7-3

[reds44]

How did Weathers look like he got hurt?
After he gave up the Nevin homer he looked to have shoulder discomfort.

[Matt700wlw]

We need to dig down to the Lookouts and get someone up here.

Steve Kelly anyone?

[reds44]

lol

[Matt700wlw]

I'm going to cry.

[Reds Fanatic]

Unbelievable Cedeno homers to left. 8-2 Cubs.

[CTA513]

and the Cubbies continue to laugh at the Reds.

[redsrule2500]

Reds Suck. Pitching Sucks. Offense Sucks.

Fire Narron

[MrCinatit]

simply amazing.

[reds44]

So we are 0-3 since EE went on the DL.

[vaticanplum]

My dog just threw up. I'm not even kidding.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm not going to go on a tirade about Hammond at this point....he's overall done well this season (after the rocky start).

Pitchers can have bad days, too...

[reds44]

Reds Suck. Fire Narron
Great post.

[Red in Chicago]

and yet another light hitting cub hits a home run...quickly followed up by neifi "babe" perez...

[CTA513]

The Yankees are using Rivera in the 8th inning...

[reds44]

The Yankees are using Rivera in the 8th inning...
He'll pitch the 9th also.

Do you want COffey going 3 innings and coming in the 7th?

[flyer85]

hopefully this three games series is an exclamation point about the biggest problem. Sorry Marty but it ain't the defense and you were dead wrong about the bullpen.

[redsrule2500]

9-2.

[Falls City Beer]

This is what happens when one team realizes they're not as talented as they think they are--and the other team plays like they want to win more.

[CTA513]

He'll pitch the 9th also.

Do you want COffey going 3 innings and coming in the 7th?

The Yankees used Rivera for 3 innings last week.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another run scores 9-2 Cubs.

[Matt700wlw]

All this cheering makes me want to vomit.

[Matt700wlw]

hopefully this three games series is an exclamation point about the biggest problem. Sorry Marty but it ain't the defense and you were dead wrong about the bullpen.

Marty said "this bullpen is brutal" earlier during the game. I think he's dead on.

The Reds are high on the list of errors. Looks like he's right about too....

Both need to be improved.

[Joseph]

This is embrassing.

[traderumor]

All this cheering makes me want to vomit.I'm with ya bro
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47238

[Red in Chicago]

who's your daddy says the cub to the red

[CTA513]

This is embrassing.

Will this be the new slogan for Reds baseball?

The Reds need to fix he bullpen and do it fast or we could slip slide all the way down the charts.

[MrCinatit]

My dog just threw up. I'm not even kidding.

He couldn't have thrown up anything worse than our relievers.

[reds44]

Griffey STOP SWINING AT THE 1ST PITCH!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

Weathers: right shoulder stiffness.

I know these guys don't want to hurt their egos, but he should have said something in the bullpen....pitching when you know you shouldn't hurts the team.

[redsrule2500]

Do Reds fans exist?

[MrCinatit]

All this cheering makes me want to vomit.

It is rather amazing, isn't it?
I was out of the room when the game went to 4-1. With all of the cheering and the way Grande was carrying on, I thought something happened to to the Reds.
I guess we don't have home games anymore when the Cubs are in town.

[reds44]

Do Reds fans exist?
Dude stop.

We suck and have no fans, we know what you think of us.

[traderumor]

It would seem that the Cubbies have the mojo on us this year. This is year 33 of following the day to day follies of the beloved Redlegs, and no matter what we have going on, there is always a team that has our number in any given season. The Cubbies were next to last in the leauge in runs scored last I checked, and you have Henry Blanco and Neifi Perez dropping big games on you. Good riddance Cubbies, and take your drunk, ignorant fans with ya.:thumbdown

[CTA513]

Griffey STOP SWINING AT THE 1ST PITCH!!!!

He wants to get the game over quicker.

;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn homers. 9-3.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn homers.

Does it matter?

Not really, now.

:D

[CTA513]

Dunns going to get slammed for that.

[reds44]

9-3

[vaticanplum]

Dunn's home runs are awfully pretty for such a big dude.

[flyer85]

a meaningless HR I'm sure :rolleyes:

[edabbs44]

does everyone hitting at the mendoza line get to hit a home run this series...womack, nevin, neifi, blanco...
Dunn...

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Adam Dunn - 178
10. Wally Post - 172
11. Gus Bell - 160
12. Joe Morgan - 152
12. Pete Rose - 152
14. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 149
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[CTA513]

a meaningless HR I'm sure :rolleyes:

If the Reds a good bullpen they could be down 4-3.

:evil:

[edabbs44]

Coffey cant pitch unless hes closing a game.

:devil:
Coffey can't pitch every time the BP is in a tight spot.

[edabbs44]

7-5 Cards now.

[KronoRed]

Good grief..it's the cubs

[Gallen5862]

The Hat with a basehit.

[CTA513]

Coffey can't pitch every time the BP is in a tight spot.

He could have pitched yesterday when it really mattered.
But since hes a closer he cant pitch anything other than the 9th.

[KronoRed]

7-5 Cards now.
Go other team...at least today :D

[traderumor]

If the Reds a good bullpen they could be down 4-3.

:evil:I bet that winning streak was awfully rough to go through.

[edabbs44]

Hatte = speed

http://www.cohsoft.com.au/nature/gallery/c/cheetah.jpg

[flyer85]

Marty said "this bullpen is brutal" earlier during the game. I think he's dead on..prior to the opener and in ST Marty in his infinite wisdom proclaimed the BP much improved. I pointed out my disagreement then and time has proven him incorrect. Anyone who wanted to look could see this pen was going to be a disaster.

[SirFelixCat]

Slept in today. I wake up to this. Ugh. *headingbacktobed*

[CTA513]

I bet that winning streak was awfully rough to go through.

So tough they had a meeting and decided to lose 3 of the next 4 games.

;)

[traderumor]

So tough they had a meeting and decided to lose 3 of the next 4 games.

;)I meant for you.

[edabbs44]

He could have pitched yesterday when it really mattered.
But since hes a closer he cant pitch anything other than the 9th.
That isn't the problem. The problem is that he is the only reliable arm in the bullpen and that the bullpen doesn't stop at letting up one run. They are not satisfied until they blow a gaping hole in the game. Coffey cannot be brought in at the first sign of trouble, or else he will throw 150 innings. Then, if he is needed in the 9th, people will complain b/c Double Zero had to be used. Wayne has to make a move. That's what it comes down to. And the move cannot be him picking up someone else's trash.

[CTA513]

I meant for you.

Yes it was so darn tough that I slit my wrists for fun.

:bang:

[Redmachine2003]

Big home crowds and losing seem to go hand in hand with the Reds.

[reds44]

Wasn't there a thread the other day saying Coffey needed to be used less?

[Matt700wlw]

prior to the opener and in ST Marty in his infinite wisdom proclaimed the BP much improved. I pointed out my disagreement then and time has proven him incorrect. Anyone who wanted to look could see this pen was going to be a disaster.

Wow...he's not allowed to make predictions now. You've never predicted something based on observation and been wrong?

[Red in Chicago]

27,000 +

how sad

of course, that means only 7,000 going home mad this afternoon, while the other 20,000 will be on I65 heading north

[Matt700wlw]

Rick White's era is .666

:yikes:

[KronoRed]

Wasn't there a thread the other day saying Coffey needed to be used less?
All these losses will help ;)

[KronoRed]

Rally Caps on

[vaticanplum]

Rally Caps on

We all know well that a team can in fact score 7 runs in the ninth.

[flyer85]

Wow...he's not allowed to make predictions now. You've never predicted something based on observation and been wrong?It was an ignorant and uninformed prediction based solely on what he saw in spring training. I invesitgated the numbers and predicted the bullpen would be awful because I was sure that guys like White, Burns and Hammonds were going to fall flat on their face. Now Yan(WHite with a dark tan) has been added.

[KronoRed]

We all know well that a team can in fact score 7 runs in the ninth.
Indeed

[Matt700wlw]

We all know well that a team can in fact score 7 runs in the ninth.

They can.

They won't.

[KronoRed]

They can.

They won't.
Where's the positive attitude?

yesh..neagative nellys!! ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Again...this cheering makes me sick.

[KronoRed]

Ok..this time ;)

Sure hope next week vs a Chicago team goes better

[flyer85]

Wasn't there a thread the other day saying Coffey needed to be used less?Coffey probably has more value in a setup role because 1) he will pitch more innings 2)all moving him into the closer role does is move a problem elsewhere.

What Coffey really needs is help.

[edabbs44]

Yankees get swept. The sun has broken out from behind the "Stormy" clouds.

[Matt700wlw]

Where's the positive attitude?

yesh..neagative nellys!! ;)

Not a very positive day.

I'll try again tomorrow :)

[edabbs44]

Coffey probably has more value in a setup role because 1) he will pitch more innings 2)all moving him into the closer role does is move a problem elsewhere.

What Coffey really needs is help.
That all depends on who they put in to close.

[reds44]

Coffey probably has more value in a setup role because 1) he will pitch more innings 2)all moving him into the closer role does is move a problem elsewhere.

What Coffey really needs is help.
I really hope you weren't one of the people calling for Coffey to close, and if you weren't then you were in the minority.

[KronoRed]

I don't think as shutdown closer is needed, just a guy who won't explode, without a good pen we won't have any chances to use a shutdown closer.

[BoydsOfSummer]

Yeouch...that was a brutal 2 games. Grab a beer and some strange,boys. New series tomorrow,come out swinging.

[flyer85]

That all depends on who they put in to close.blowing the lead or letting a game get out of control in the 7th or 8th is every bit as damaging as it happening in the 9th. Like a said last night the modern role of closer is a role that defies a logical expanantion.

[flyer85]

I really hope you weren't one of the people calling for Coffey to close, and if you weren't then you were in the minority.My point on Coffey has always been that he needs help. Now he is the closer but this team has little ability to bridge the gap between starter and closer and the modern role of closer means Coffey will likely be pitching less because his days of 2 inning stints and pitching in tie games will be over.

[edabbs44]

blowing the lead or letting a game get out of control in the 7th or 8th is every bit as damaging as it happening in the 9th. Like a said last night the modern role of closer is a role that defies a logical expanantion.
Blow the game in the 7th and your team gets up 2 or 3 more times. Blow it in the 9th and it's curtains. If the team had better relievers then this wouldn't even be an argument. You cannot use your best guy at the first sign of trouble. He'll be pitching every game. Hindsight is 20/20 and it obviously would have been worth it yesterday. But let's not pull the trigger on this guy every game. He'll end up in Kremchek's office before long.

[edabbs44]

I don't think as shutdown closer is needed, just a guy who won't explode, without a good pen we won't have any chances to use a shutdown closer.
We have a shutdown closer. We need guys with ERAs in the 4s to pitch in the middle innings. This BP is not satisfied until they let up 4 or 5 runs.

[flyer85]

Blow the game in the 7th and your team gets up 2 or 3 more times. Blow it in the 9th and it's curtains. If the team had better relievers then this wouldn't even be an argument. You cannot use your best guy at the first sign of trouble. He'll be pitching every game. Hindsight is 20/20 and it obviously would have been worth it yesterday. But let's not pull the trigger on this guy every game. He'll end up in Kremchek's office before long.The idea is to use your best reliever in the highest leverage situations. Signing up for the modern role of closer ensures that on many days that will not happen.

[vaticanplum]

I expect some real bellyaching over all this series from Reds fans, and surely the bullpen and the offense were beyond lame this series. But really, the starting pitching was encouraging, the Reds were more than overdue to suffer some tough losses, and I don't think the way they played these last few days is any more indicative of the potential quality of the rest of their season than some of the more bizarre wins they've had.

It's just tough...so tough...to lost to the evil, evil Cubs :bang:

[CTA513]

Ryan Wagner gave up 3 runs for the Bats today..... 7.07 ERA

[flyer85]

Ryan Wagner gave up 3 runs for the Bats today..... 7.07 ERAthere doesn't seem to be any answers at AAA. The best bet may be someone like Guevera or Shafer from AA.

[reds44]

Ryan Wagner gave up 3 runs for the Bats today..... 7.07 ERA
Wow. I think we need to trade him while he has any sort of value left. For his benefit, and ours.

[reds44]

there doesn't seem to be any answers at AAA. The best bet may be someone like Guevera or Shafer from AA.
Yep I agree. We need to bring someone up from the Noog. I have read that Wayne and Bob have been down there lately.

[KronoRed]

Ryan Wagner gave up 3 runs for the Bats today..... 7.07 ERA
I wonder if he's hurt.

[flyer85]

I wonder if he's hurt.he has been bad from the start of the season.

[reds44]

Standridge has a sub-3 ERA in Louisville.

[flyer85]

Standridge has a sub-3 ERA in Louisville.so does Burns

[edabbs44]

so does Burns
:barf:

[KronoRed]

Standridge and Burns are the useal suspects, someone new please

[CTA513]

Standridge and Burns are the useal suspects, someone new please

Salmon is doing pretty good in AAA, but I think they would have to make a 40 man roster move to get him up here.

[reds44]

Salmon is doing pretty good in AAA, but I think they would have to make a 40 man roster move to get him up here.
DFA Q!
Actaully you could just transfer Wilson to the 60 day DL.

I want to see Shafer from AA come up.

[CTA513]

DFA Q!
Actaully you could just transfer Wilson to the 60 day DL.

I want to see Shafer from AA come up.

Any other team would probably bring Shafer up from AA, the Reds will likely make him go to AAA for a while before he makes it to the majors.

[CTA513]

I was looking at the Reds website and seen the Reds are facing another rookie tomorrow.

[edabbs44]

I think it might be time to make a decision on Denorfia. Either replace Q with him or start shopping him to teams in need of OF help (Yankees, Minny, etc)or looking towards the future (Florida, Pitt, Seattle, etc). Q is as useless as they come and he is doing more harm than the good that Deno is getting in AAA.

[WVRedsFan]

Ryan Wagner gave up 3 runs for the Bats today..... 7.07 ERA
He's toast. Few recover from going down and performing like this. It's a shame...

[traderumor]

He's toast. Few recover from going down and performing like this. It's a shame...He's probably in need of a fresh start, send him to Cleveland as the PTBNL :D

[KronoRed]

I think he needs to get out of Ohio

[Falls City Beer]

I can see it now: the Reds cut loose Wagner, Houston picks him up for a song, converts him to some all-universe closer who routinely whips the snot out of the Reds. There have already been scripts written for this one.

[MWM]

PLenty of people here said it was a HUGE mistake to call up Wagner as early as they did. He should have spent at least one year in the minors. There's no way to know for certain if this would have made a difference, but I can't imagine a scenario where getting a guy to the majors as quickly as Wagner is a good idea.