6/11/06 - Reds vs. Cubs Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Cubs (25 - 36)
5th in NL Central
Reds (36 - 26)
2nd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. J Pierre, CF .234 0 5 20
2. T Walker, 2B .299 3 29 0
3. M Barrett, C .298 8 29 0
4. P Nevin, 1B .250 1 2 0
5. M Murton, LF .275 4 20 2
6. J Jones, RF .298 11 32 1
7. R Cedeno, SS .296 1 16 5
8. N Perez, 3B .193 0 11 0
9. C Marmol, P - 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, 3B .281 4 13 13
2. F Lopez, SS .289 6 24 18
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .295 11 35 0
4. A Dunn, LF .229 19 36 1
5. A Kearns, RF .279 12 38 2
6. S Hatteberg, 1B .289 4 15 0
7. B Phillips, 2B .305 6 37 12
8. D Ross, C .333 6 18 0
9. E Milton, P .188 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
C Marmol 0 0 0.00 0.75 6

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
E Milton 4 2 4.14 1.14 28

[Matt700wlw]

Aurilia being punished for his god-awful at bats yesterday? ;)

[redsfan30]

Very nice lineup today.

[edabbs44]

Very nice lineup today.
Couldn't agree more. Maybe Narron has turned the corner?

[CrackerJack]

Yes I really like the lineup and think it should be the norm.

[oneupper]

Yes I really like the lineup and think it should be the norm.

Until EdE comes back...then I would like him in there.

[Falls City Beer]

I hope we don't have to hear about how all the Cubs' fans hurt their feelings if they lose today.

I'd take the presence of all those Cubs' fans as a reason to humiliate their team on the field. Nothing like sending home a bunch of grouchy Cubs' fans.

[Matt700wlw]

I hope we don't have to hear about how all the Cubs' fans hurt their feelings if they lose today.

I'd take the presence of all those Cubs' fans as a reason to humiliate their team on the field. Nothing like sending home a bunch of grouchy Cubs' fans.

I think you mean Cubs "fans" ;)

[redsfan30]

I think you mean Cubs "fans" ;)
Amen, brother. 95% of these morons probably think Sammy Sosa still plays for the Cubs.

[reds44]

Yes I really like the lineup and think it should be the norm.
Yep for the next 10-12 games until EE gets back, this is the lineup I would like to see the most.

When EE comes back, then he goes right in it at 3B.

[RBA]

For the Out of Reds Television Market fans the game will be on WGN today.

[Matt700wlw]

When I was Wrigley, I was surrounded by Cubs fans. These were actually cool people. Didn't give our group any crap for being Reds fans, didn't act like idiots when we were standing and clapping waiting for the final out of a Reds victory (a little fun heckling, but nothing more than that..fun!). I enjoyed them, and they treated us all with respect in and around the ballpark, and in the bars even though we had Reds garb on.

Now, these birdbrains that invade GABP....well....

[Joseph]

No LaRue today? A day game after a night game usually sees a different catcher. I bet JN got an earful from the Texan. You can't break a slump from the bench after all.

[toledodan]

When I was Wrigley, I was surrounded by Cubs fans. These were actually cool people. Didn't give our group any crap for being Reds fans, didn't act like idiots when we were standing and clapping waiting for the final out of a Reds victory (a little fun heckling, but nothing more than that..fun!). I enjoyed them, and they treated us all with respect in and around the ballpark, and in the bars even though we had Reds garb on.

Now, these birdbrains that invade GABP....well....



matt, you were most likely drunk and just dont remember.:D i've been to wrigley 4 times and 3 of the times was treated just awful. of course those were the 3 times when the cubs won. go figure!

[reds44]

No LaRue today? A day game after a night game usually sees a different catcher. I bet JN got an earful from the Texan. You can't break a slump from the bench after all.
When was the last time LaRue played?

[redsfan30]

I have no problem at all with them at Wrigley Field....that's what you're supposed to do in your home city/park...cheer for your team.

But I literally hate these morons who go into all the other parks and act like they're fans.

[redsfan30]

When was the last time LaRue played?
I think he caught Harang Wednesday in St. Louis.

[TeamBoone]

I don't think LaRue is ever going to catch again. I don't like it.

[reds44]

I have no problem at all with them at Wrigley Field....that's what you're supposed to do in your home city/park...cheer for your team.

But I literally hate these morons who go into all the other parks and act like they're fans.
Wait, wait, wait


As a Chicago Reds fans the only way I can see the Reds more then once a year is by going to Reds games at Wrigley and Miller Park. Sometimes there are no other options.

I am also going to 2 games @ Houston later this year when I am on vacation.

[Joseph]

I don't think LaRue is ever going to catch again. I don't like it.

Harang was the last time I've even seen him so much as sitting on the bench.

I don't like it either. Sure ride Ross while he's hot, but putting all the eggs in one basket is going to leave us hurting when Ross finally trips and crushes them all.

[reds44]

Harang was the last time I've even seen him so much as sitting on the bench.

I don't like it either. Sure ride Ross while he's hot, but putting all the eggs in one basket is going to leave us hurting when Ross finally trips and crushes them all.
When Ross comes back to hurt then you play LaRue. This was the plan with Phillips (when he came back to hurt play Freel), but the good thing is BP never came back to earth.

Maybe Ross will do the same.

[PickOff]

I have no problem at all with them at Wrigley Field....that's what you're supposed to do in your home city/park...cheer for your team.

But I literally hate these morons who go into all the other parks and act like they're fans.


Well I guess I have to live near Cincinnati to be a fan, and I can only go to games in Cincinnati?

[reds44]

Well I guess I have to live near Cincinnati to be a fan, and I can only go to games in Cincinnati?
I guess I should go be a White Sox fan.

[redsfan30]

You're missing my point, guys. If you listen to the Cubs "fans" in Great American Ball Park as I have many, many times...you know they have no clue about anything regarding the team.

On Opening Day, there was a Cubs "fan" behind me who literally got into an arguement with a Reds fan because the Cubs "fan" was hellbent on the fact that Sammy Sosa was still a Cub, he just didn't play much. The Reds fan told him that he was traded to Baltimore and the Cubs "fan" told him in no uncertain terms that he had no clue what he was talking about.

I don't have a problem at all if a fan of another team comes and watches thier team play in Great American Ball Park. I do, however, have problems with Cubs "fans" who have no clue about anything regarding baseball filling ours and others parks.

Don't believe me....go sit in the stands for a Reds/Cubs game and come back and try to say that they are true fans.

[Red in Chicago]

there should be no reason why we cannot defeat this cub lineup today...even with milty on the mound:devil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Pierre attempts a bunt and pops out to 1st. 1 out.

[reds44]

Ears!!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Walker lines out to right. Great catch by Kearns.

[reds44]

Red uni's looking awesome as awlays.

[Matt700wlw]

Red uni's looking awesome as awlays.

They should wear those all the time at home.

They are THE REDS after all...

[Red in Chicago]

On Opening Day, there was a Cubs "fan" behind me who literally got into an arguement with a Reds fan because the Cubs "fan" was hellbent on the fact that Sammy Sosa was still a Cub, he just didn't play much. The Reds fan told him that he was traded to Baltimore and the Cubs "fan" told him in no uncertain terms that he had no clue what he was talking about.

cub and/or red fans getting into an arguement at a ballgame is just plain silly...both parties are dumb if you ask me...why can't people just watch the game and ignore others who are obviously trying to get attention?

[reds44]

They should wear those all the time at home.

They are THE REDS after all...
I agree 100% Matt.



He Gone!
Barrett looked overmatched in that AB.

[Reds Fanatic]

Barrett strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 1st.

[redsfan30]

Great way to start out for Milton!

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 1st Cubs 0 Reds 0

Freel strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[reds44]

Good AB even though he struck out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 after 1.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 2nd Cubs 0 Reds 0

Nevin grounds out to 3rd. Nice play by Freel.

[Reds Fanatic]

Murton flies out to center. 2 outs.

[edabbs44]

I might be starting to buy into Milton.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[PickOff]

You're missing my point, guys. If you listen to the Cubs "fans" in Great American Ball Park as I have many, many times...you know they have no clue about anything regarding the team.

On Opening Day, there was a Cubs "fan" behind me who literally got into an arguement with a Reds fan because the Cubs "fan" was hellbent on the fact that Sammy Sosa was still a Cub, he just didn't play much. The Reds fan told him that he was traded to Baltimore and the Cubs "fan" told him in no uncertain terms that he had no clue what he was talking about.

I don't have a problem at all if a fan of another team comes and watches thier team play in Great American Ball Park. I do, however, have problems with Cubs "fans" who have no clue about anything regarding baseball filling ours and others parks.

Don't believe me....go sit in the stands for a Reds/Cubs game and come back and try to say that they are true fans.

Thank you for clearly stating what you meant. While I do agree that the Cubs seem to attract more of the type of fan that you describe above, they also have alot of knowledgeable fans as well. I don't think you can make a blanket statement about all Cubs fans.

Futhermore, I understand the frustration that these fans can bring if you invest yourself in them, but I couldn't care less because I don't.

[Matt700wlw]

Milty!

[PickOff]

I might be starting to buy into Milton.

He looks good, doesn't he? We'll just have to see if his legs hold up.

[Matt700wlw]

Thank you for clearly stating what you meant. While I do agree that the Cubs seem to attract more of the type of fan that you describe above, they also have alot of knowledgeable fans as well. I don't think you can make a blanket statement about all Cubs fans.



That's why I have 2 categories....Cubs fans, and Cubs "fans." :)

[membengal]

I might be starting to buy into Milton.

Um, yeah. Really, it is happening consistently enough now with just enough giddyup on his fastball to go with that curve ball and change up that I am intrigued. Very intrigued.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 2nd Cubs 0 Reds 0

Dunn breaks his bat and grounds out to the shortstop playing the shift. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

I think the addition of Bronson Arroyo has really helped this staff as a whole. These guys seem to mixing up their pitches more using more off speed stuff to keep the hitters off balance.

The intangibles are showing.

[cReds1]

Did you see that kid's hair that is a Cubs fan. LOL Classic! I am watching WGN.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns doubles off the top of the wall in left center.

[membengal]

Boy, the park had to work hard to hold that shot from Kearns...

[Matt700wlw]

Very colorful game today.

Reds vs Blues.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd. Kearns goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

[PickOff]

This is Phillips' kind of pitcher. I'm looking for a big day from Brandon.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 after 2.

[cReds1]

what kind of swing was that? FORE!

[Matt700wlw]

Need to score there.

[edabbs44]

Um, yeah. Really, it is happening consistently enough now with just enough giddyup on his fastball to go with that curve ball and change up that I am intrigued. Very intrigued.
Very true. I haven't seen this kind of zip on his fastball since he arrived.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 3rd Cubs 0 Reds 0

Cedeno flies out to right. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Perez flies out to left. 2 outs.

[membengal]

Why did GG just say that ball was "blooped to left" when Dunn caught it on the warning track?

[Reds Fanatic]

Marmol strikes out swinging. 3 K's for Milton. 0-0 mid 3rd.

[membengal]

Fear the goatee! Fear it!

[Matt700wlw]

Fear the goatee! Fear it!

Eric Milton is not allowed to shave.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 3rd Cubs 0 Reds 0

Ross leads off with a walk.

[George Foster]

This might have been mentioned earlier, but I guess Ross is becoming our everyday catcher. He's earned it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Milton sacrifices the runner to 2nd. 1 out.

[Gallen5862]

Ross just seems to know how to get on base. He goes to second on Milton's bunt.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel flies out to right. 2 outs.

[RBA]

I'm expecting a double by Lopez here.

[Wheelhouse]

If George Grande uses the canned "Get em on, get em over, get em in" one more time I'm going to cough up my liver.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 3.

[RBA]

The Reds are missing the Professional AT-BATS of Rich Aurilia.

[edabbs44]

Milton just owned Pierre.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 4th Cubs 0 Reds 0

Pierre strikes out swinging. 4 K's for Milton. 1out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Walker flies out to right. 2 outs.

[Kc61]

The Reds are missing the Professional AT-BATS of Rich Aurilia.

Hope Reds are not in another team slump offensively. Isn't there a rule against two team slumps in three weeks?

[BoydsOfSummer]

Who is this Milton dude,and where/when did we get him?

[George Foster]

Just so everybody knows.....Milton is doing something here that I'm not going to mention because it's bad luck.......so don't mention it:thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Barrett lines out to short. 0-0 mid 4th. Milton through 4 on only 43 pitches.

[RBA]

Something I just learned from WGN broadcast. Eric Milton has tatoos for every MLB and College team he's played for. I don't usually like tatoos, but that's pretty neat.

[Falls City Beer]

Hope Reds are not in another team slump offensively. Isn't there a rule against two team slumps in three weeks?

I'm of a mind that this kind of erratic offensive performance is on tap for the rest of the season. Unless they change the overall structure of the offense.

[CTA513]

The Cubs seem to have alot of guys in the minors that can bring it around 94-95 mph.

:eek:

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 4th Cubs 0 Reds 0

Junior strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[RBA]

Number 3 strikes out.

[George Foster]

Something I just learned from WGN broadcast. Eric Milton has tatoos for every MLB and College team he's played for. I don't usually like tatoos, but that's pretty neat.

Thank God Reggie Sanders does not do the same....he would die of ink posioning:laugh:

[Falls City Beer]

What's a Marmol and where can I get one?

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks.

[BoydsOfSummer]

I think it's one of those furry little woodchuck lookin' critters.

[RBA]

Number 44 walks. Number 28 is up and he isn't Buddy Bell.

[RBA]

No. 28 strikes out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Red in Chicago]

somehow i'm not surprised that a young pitcher is doing well against us:bang:

[George Foster]

This kid can pitch, command of all of his pitches.

[RBA]

No 21 grounds out to First Base.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 after 4.

[Matt700wlw]

somehow i'm not surprised that a young pitcher is doing well against us:bang:

He actually looks pretty good...he's not one of those soft tossers that leaves me scratching my head as to why the Reds can't hit him.

[BoydsOfSummer]

Carlos Marmol: Individual Stats (Pitching)
Team From To W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO
West Tenn Diamond Jaxx 04/06 06/02 3 2 2.33 11 11 0 0 0 58.0 42 18 15 1 25 67

[Matt700wlw]

[code]Carlos Marmol: Individual Stats (Pitching)
Team From To W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO
West Tenn Diamond Jaxx 04/06 06/02 3 2 2.33 11 11 0 0 0 58.0 42 18 15 1 25 67
[/code

You need another "]" at the end of it....it's hard to read.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 5th Cubs 0 Reds 0

Nevin grounds out to short. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Murton singles to left.

[Matt700wlw]

The no-no/perfect game is no more.

Bench him! :D

[George Foster]

Just so everybody knows.....Milton is doing something here that I'm not going to mention because it's bad luck.......so don't mention it:thumbup:

What was I thinking? I can uncross my legs now:laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones singles to right. 1st and 2nd.

[RBA]

Anohter hit. I have confidence no cubbies will score this inning.

[RBA]

Damn ****!!

[reds44]

Anohter hit. I have confidence no cubbies will score this inning.
:bang:

[BoydsOfSummer]

Pitching Statistics
Year Team Name Lg Age Org. Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP
2003 Arizona Cubs Ariz 20 Chc Rk 3 5 4.76 15 9 0 0 1 0 64.1 59 43 34 5 37 74 6 8.25 0.70 5.18 10.35 1.49
2004 Lansing Midw 21 Chc A 14 8 3.20 26 24 0 0 1 0 154.2 131 64 55 15 53 154 5 7.62 0.87 3.08 8.96 1.19
2005 Daytona FSL 22 Chc A+ 6 2 2.99 13 13 0 0 0 72.1 60 30 24 7 37 71 5 1 7.47 0.87 4.60 8.83 1.34
West Tennessee Sou 22 Chc AA 3 4 3.65 14 14 0 0 0 81.1 70 33 33 10 40 70 1 1 7.75 1.11 4.43 7.75 1.35
Minor League Totals - 3 Season(s) 26 19 3.53 68 60 0 0 0 372.2 320 170 146 37 167 369 17 7.74 0.89 4.04 8.92 1.31

Spring Training Pitching Statistics
Year Team Name Lg Age Org. Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP
2006 Chicago Cubs MLB 23 Chc MLB 0 0 4.50 2 0 0 0 0 2.0 2 1 1 1 3 4 0 0 9.00 4.50 13.50 18.00 2.50
Major League Totals - 1 Season(s) 0 0 4.50 2 0 0 0 0 2.0 2 1 1 1 3 4 0 0 9.00 4.50 13.50 18.00 2.50

Batting Statistics
Year Team Name League Age Org. Level G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG OBP SLG OPS
2000 Dominican Cubs Dsl 17 Chc Rk 41 140 32 44 7 2 0 22 3 11 27 .314 *.368 .393 *761
2001 Arizona Cubs Ariz 18 Chc Rk 40 129 15 38 11 0 0 12 4 3 9 30 0 1 0 0 .295 *.345 .380 *725
2002 Arizona Cubs Ariz 19 Chc Rk 47 186 22 48 6 3 1 16 10 4 3 35 1 0 3 2 3 .258 .271 .339 610
Lansing Midw 19 Chc A 15 47 2 7 0 1 0 4 0 2 1 7 0 0 0 0 2 .149 .167 .191 358
2005 West Tennessee Sou 22 Chc AA 12 21 3 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 6 0 0 3 0 0 .143 .182 .143 325
Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s) 155 523 74 140 24 6 1 55 17 25 105 .268 *.306 .342 *648

[CrackerJack]

Geesh. More sloppiness.

[Red in Chicago]

weak hitting cedano and weak armed dunn a "perfect" match for disaster:thumbdown

[Reds Fanatic]

Cedeno singles to left. The throw home gets away and the runners move to 2nd and 3rd. 1-0 Cubs.

[Matt700wlw]

Settle down, Milton....settle down.

It's ok.

[membengal]

Crap. You gotta hold the runners at 1st and 2nd there.

[CTA513]

Its always fun to watch someone try and throw someone out at home when you have no chance. Now they have 2 more runners in scoring position.

:/

[George Foster]

Ross has to stop that ball, you have equipment on for God's sake

[Kc61]

Puts a lot of pressure on your pitcher when you don't score. Reds turning this Cub rookie into Cy Young.

Supposed to be a big time offense but Reds constantly fail in these tight games.

[Reds Fanatic]

Perez sac. fly to right. 2-0 Cubs.

[CTA513]

2-0 Cubs...

[Red in Chicago]

Its always fun to watch someone try and throw someone out at home when you have no chance. Now they have 2 more runners in scoring position.

:/


exactly...no way dunn had a chance at the runner...now, even the weak hitting neifi gets a sac fly...unbelieveable

[reds44]

Ross having a good inning.

[George Foster]

Kearns cannon made that closer than I thought it would be

[Matt700wlw]

Puts a lot of pressure on your pitcher when you don't score. Reds turning this Cub rookie into Cy Young.

Supposed to be a big time offense but Reds constantly fail in these tight games.


True. Sure the Cubs have scored 2 runs now...but Milton is not pitching badly at all.

The donut on the Reds side of the scoreboard just magnifies everything.

[Reds Fanatic]

Marmol flies out to center. 2-0 Cubs mid 5th.

[reds44]

Let's see if the Reds offense decides they want to play now.

[Falls City Beer]

Two runs should be plenty; Marmol's cruising.

This team plays like they've got a plane to catch.

[CTA513]

It should be 1-0 right now, but instead its 2-0.

:/

[Red in Chicago]

Let's see if the Reds offense decides they want to play now.


what offense:confused:

[George Foster]

Ross having a good inning.

Everytime I compliment someone...I jinx them. Please someone verbally slap me the next time I do it.

[Falls City Beer]

It's the fault of the Cubs' fans.

[Kc61]

True. Sure the Cubs have scored 2 runs now...but Milton is not pitching badly at all.

The donut on the Reds side of the scoreboard just magnifies everything.

Increasingly, Reds seem like a feast or famine offense. Walks and home runs.

[Matt700wlw]

Offense needs to help Milton out a little bit.

[CTA513]

Offense needs to help Milton out a little bit.

Against a rookie? thats asking for to much.


:help:

[George Foster]

If a team can only score on mediocre pitching, is that a good hitting team?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 5th Cubs 2 Reds 0

Phillips flies out to center. 1 out.

[reds44]

Ross is boss!!!

[Matt700wlw]

There's that Ross guy again!

:jump:

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross homers to right center. 2-1 Cubs.

[CrackerJack]

Ross makes up - good job. ;)

[George Foster]

All Ross does is hit:thumbup:

[Gainesville Red]

Go Gators!

[membengal]

Thank you David Ross. He gets back the run he helped give up.

[CTA513]

Ross homers to right center. 2-1 Cubs.

Good job, the game should be tied 1-1.

[George Foster]

Why is he batting 8th?

[Marc D]

Against a rookie? thats asking for to much.


:help:

Not just any rookie. A 23 year old converted catcher pitching at AA with reportedly only 2 pitches. Sickening.

[Reds Fanatic]

Milton strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Why is he batting 8th?

Because catchers bat 8th.....

:dunno:

[Falls City Beer]

Sounds like you need Ross's bat speed to catch up to this kid's heater. Even so, Ross didn't pull the ball. Kid's bringing the zip.

[George Foster]

Go Gators!

What happened to the Gator baseball team this year? ouch!

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel strikes out looking. 6 K's for Marmol. 2-1 Cubs after 5.

[reds44]

Sounds like you need Ross's bat speed to catch up to this kid's heater. Even so, Ross didn't pull the ball. Kid's bringing the zip.
Yeah it would be nice to have EE today. He could catch up to it.

[George Foster]

Because catchers bat 8th.....

:dunno:

Your right...I forgot

[37red]

I don't want a lot of crap from this post, I reall just want a few real reasons why Adam Dunn bats 4th? Is it only because he hits homers. Is it because he has a good OBA? I wonder because he really doesn't have a good BA, he's a somewhat slow runner, and can't steel. I like Dunn but why have a batter with those traits bat 4th? Just a good answer please, this is not a rip post, this is a why post.

[Falls City Beer]

Time to warm up the pen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 6th Cubs 2 Reds 1

Pierre lines a single to center.

[Kc61]

Milton looks gassed to me. Hope I'm wrong.

[Reds Fanatic]

Walker pops out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Falls City Beer]

Milton looks gassed to me. Hope I'm wrong.

That would be sad; he's only thrown 68 pitches.

[George Foster]

I don't want a lot of crap from this post, I reall just want a few real reasons why Adam Dunn bats 4th? Is it only because he hits homers. Is it because he has a good OBA? I wonder because he really doesn't have a good BA, he's a somewhat slow runner, and can't steel. I like Dunn but why have a batter with those traits bat 4th? Just a good answer please, this is not a rip post, this is a why post.

Potential?

[cReds1]

Just so everybody knows.....Milton is doing something here that I'm not going to mention because it's bad luck.......so don't mention it:thumbup:

too late. well, now you know why you don't do it. :)

[cReds1]

nice play

[CrackerJack]

Very nice play by BP

[reds44]

Bp!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

WOW! Phillips!

That boy can sure pick it!!

:clap:

Web Gem nominee :D

[Marc D]

If nothing else Milton absolutely ownes Walker this year.

[Reds Fanatic]

What a play by Phillips. He fields the ball on the shortstop side of 2nd. 2 outs. Runner goes to 2nd.

[membengal]

Brandon Phillips is the fielding truth...

[George Foster]

Is it ragging on Lopez to suggest him and BP switch positions?

[edabbs44]

I don't want a lot of crap from this post, I reall just want a few real reasons why Adam Dunn bats 4th? Is it only because he hits homers. Is it because he has a good OBA? I wonder because he really doesn't have a good BA, he's a somewhat slow runner, and can't steel. I like Dunn but why have a batter with those traits bat 4th? Just a good answer please, this is not a rip post, this is a why post.
It has to be power, b/c power and OBP are his two plusses and OBP isn't really necessary in the 4 hole. But it might also be to protect Griffey from being pitched around.

[membengal]

I don't want a lot of crap from this post, I reall just want a few real reasons why Adam Dunn bats 4th? Is it only because he hits homers. Is it because he has a good OBA? I wonder because he really doesn't have a good BA, he's a somewhat slow runner, and can't steel. I like Dunn but why have a batter with those traits bat 4th? Just a good answer please, this is not a rip post, this is a why post.

You know the answer, you just don't like what you hear. But thanks for trying to pick another Dunn fight in a game thread.

His power is ungodly, he has a good eye, he gets on base, he makes hitters around him better. You probably don't agree with that series of statements. I do. But thanks for the query.

Edited to add: edabb...getting on base is important NO MATTER WHERE YOU HIT

[Reds Fanatic]

Nevin strikes out swinging. 5 K's by Milton. 2-1 Cubs mid 6th.

[George Foster]

Another quality start by Milton...6 inninngs 1 earned run. That's 4 in a row right?

[Falls City Beer]

You know the answer, you just don't like what you hear. But thanks for trying to pick another Dunn fight in a game thread.

His power is ungodly, he has a good eye, he gets on base, he makes hitters around him better. You probably don't agree with that series of statements. I do. But thanks for the query.

Don't you love passive-aggressiveness? "Don't get me wrong: I like him...but he sucks."

[Reds Fanatic]

Bottom 6th Cubs 2 Reds 1

Lopez leads off with a walk.

[George Foster]

this is our inning:thumbup:

[37red]

Yeah Edabbs44, yes that makes sense. I should have known that.

[reds44]

We really need to stop calling it OBA, it is OBP.

That irks me.

[Matt700wlw]

Do you bunt Junior?

That would throw them off :D

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to left. 1 out.

[reds44]

Marmol hasn't gone more then 6 IP all year. He has to be gassed.

[George Foster]

I think you send lopez here.

[membengal]

I now await an angry post from someone about Jr.'s failure to deliver...

[reds44]

I now await an angry post from someone about Jr.'s failure to deliver...
You'll only get that if Dunn gets out.

[Matt700wlw]

I think you send lopez here.

He may be a little reluctant after the other night.

[Matt700wlw]

He may be a little reluctant after the other night.


..Or not.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. Lopez steals 2nd. 2 outs.

[reds44]

Dunn does a Dunn



Felipe steals 2nd.

[George Foster]

I now await an angry post from someone about Jr.'s failure to deliver...

Not today....I'm still pissed off about him swinging on the first pitch, Friday and Sat. against a pitcher that struggles to find the strike zone.

[BCubb2003]

Productive strikeout by Dunn moves the runner up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns flies out to right. 2-1 Cubs after 6.

[reds44]

Nice work offense.

[membengal]

I now await an angry post from someone attacking Kearns...

[37red]

Felipe is always a threat on base. Pitchers must always be nervous when he's out there

[CTA513]

Milton should bean a Cub for that Marmol fist pump.

[George Foster]

What is up with the Cubs pitchers showing all this emotion after a big out?

Does it make me mad....or jealous?:confused:

[Falls City Beer]

Yep. I definitely did not quaff the "offense is back" Kool-Aid. This is about as brutally erratic offense as one could construct in baseball.

[CTA513]

I now await an angry post from someone attacking Kearns...

Hes not Dunn so there probably wont be one.

[Kc61]

I know batting average is irrelevant, but are hits irrelevant?

[reds44]

Milton should bean a Cub for that Marmol fist pump.
How dare the kid making his 1st career start be excitied.

:rolleyes:

[CTA513]

How dare the kid making his 1st career start be excitied.

:rolleyes:

Yeah and Im sure the Reds players were real happy to see him do that.

:rolleyes:

[reds44]

Yeah and Im sure the Reds players were real happy to see him do that.

:rolleyes:
Don't want him to do it? Get more then 2 hits against him.

[Falls City Beer]

Say what you will about Dusty: he gets his team pumped for the game, even when the talent's not there. He does a lot of other really dumb things, but you can never say a Cubs squad looks as passionless as the Reds are capable of looking.

[Reds Fanatic]

Top 7th Cubs 2 Reds 1

Murton lines out to short. Nice catch by Lopez. 1 out.

[George Foster]

Yep. I definitely did not quaff the "offense is back" Kool-Aid. This is about as brutally erratic offense as one could construct in baseball.

Hey FCB:

Do you think it's a line-up problem or a personel problem. It baffles me.

[edabbs44]

Yeah and Im sure the Reds players were real happy to see him do that.

:rolleyes:
That doesn't mean anything. If Dunn hits a walk-off HR and they wait to jump on him at home plate, should the whole Reds lineup get beaned the following day?

[37red]

If what I asked is what took us away from the game I'm sorry. I was just looking for a 4th spot answer. I appologize for my temporary ignorance. Let's get back to the game.

[reds44]

Say what you will about Dusty: he gets his team pumped for the game, even when the talent's not there. He does a lot of other really dumb things, but you can never say a Cubs squad looks as passionless as the Reds are capable of looking.
While true, there are many players on this team that never seem to care about winning.

If only we had more guys like Freel, BP, and EE. Griffey I should probably add to that also.

[CTA513]

That doesn't mean anything. If Dunn hits a walk-off HR and they wait to jump on him at home plate, should the whole Reds lineup get beaned the following day?

People seem to get ticked with Zambrano does his crap on the mound, but its alright when Marmol is doing it because hes a rookie.

:rolleyes:

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[reds44]

Hey FCB:

Do you think it's a line-up problem or a personel problem. It baffles me.
Personel (sorry I know you weren't asking me)

[reds44]

People seem to get ticked with Zambrano does his crap on the mound, but its alright when Marmol is doing it because hes a rookie.

:rolleyes:
Zambrano does it in the 2nd innign of a scoreless game. Marmol just went 6 IP and gave up 2 hits in his big league debut. Big difference.

[Matt700wlw]

Personel (sorry I know you weren't asking me)

It's Griffey's fault :D

[Reds Fanatic]

Cedeno walks.

[membengal]

Geez, Milton continues to be the definition of an above-average pitcher. Would love to push a couple across in the next inning for him and give him a chance at a win.

[CTA513]

Zambrano does it in the 2nd innign of a scoreless game. Marmol just went 6 IP and gave up 2 hits in his big league debut. Big difference.

Oh well, you guys can just forget my post.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ugh. Perez homers 4-1 Cubs.

[CTA513]

Ugh. Perez homers 4-1 Cubs.

Game Over?

:evil:

[Red in Chicago]

sickening...yet, another scrub batter spoils against the reds...ridiculous

[George Foster]

Wow...that hurts.

[Matt700wlw]

ouch.

[reds44]

Again not the pitching's fault today. I am sure the offense will now get rally's the next 3 innings, but we will still lose.

[edabbs44]

People seem to get ticked with Zambrano does his crap on the mound, but its alright when Marmol is doing it because hes a rookie.

:rolleyes:
Zambrano does it all game and Marmol did it in a big spot. 2 totally different situations. Though I don't mind anything that is not a complete embarrassment to the sport. If Griffey gets a hold of one, it takes him a little while to get out of the batter's box. Same thing.

Neifi Perez hits a HR. My pro-Milton comments from earlier have now been rescinded.

[Falls City Beer]

I know batting average is irrelevant, but are hits irrelevant?

Teams need players like Dunn. They just don't need so many Dunn clones: Kearns, Hatteberg, Freel, etc. A team can't be all waity, no swingy.

[CTA513]

The Reds are now about to be on a 3 game skid...

[Marc D]

Does that get Nefi back to .200?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bynum pinch hitting for Marmol singles to right.

[George Foster]

Geez, Milton continues to be the definition of an above-average pitcher. Would love to push a couple across in the next inning for him and give him a chance at a win.

I guess you were typing this while he gave up the bomb.

[edabbs44]

What is Narron waiting for?

[membengal]

Dammit. My computer is behind. Typed the praise of Milton as he was walking Cedeno, and now that nut-kick from Perez of all people. Good lord. That sucks.

It occurs to me, next time everyone wonders why the Reds are not packing them in at GABP, that we all might reflect on the stinkos they have registered in front of large crowds this year, including the last three of this series...

[reds44]

Teams need players like Dunn. They just don't need so many Dunn clones: Kearns, Hatteberg, Freel, etc. A team can't be all waity, no swingy.
Hatteberg is a Dunn clone?

:confused:

[vaticanplum]

I'm moving. I can't take this anymore. Just enjoying watching a good game, two very good pitchers, and then bam we keep falling to the Cubs and I have to endure agony all around me for a week.

[Matt700wlw]

What is Narron waiting for?

1 more out.

[Falls City Beer]

Yep. The real Milton comes home to roost.

[CTA513]

What is Narron waiting for?

Hes asking the magic eight ball what he should do, but it hasnt answered back yet.

[reds44]

Perez gets a clutch hit with 2 outs, the Reds aren't use to seeing that.

[Red in Chicago]

wow, soon to be three out of four thanks to the potent bats of blanco and neifit and the pitching of a young rookie...brew crew next, then the sox come to town...how quickly things appear to be turning

[Falls City Beer]

Hatteberg is a Dunn clone?

:confused:

Yep. A walker, not a contact hitter.

[edabbs44]

FLo...get your head out of your...

[reds44]

Yep. A walker, not a contact hitter.
He's hitting .285.

Wow that was a disgusting play.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pierre grounds to short. They try to get the fielder's choice at 2nd and the runner beats the throw. 1st and 2nd.

[George Foster]

Dammit. My computer is behind. Typed the praise of Milton as he was walking Cedeno, and now that nut-kick from Perez of all people. Good lord. That sucks.

It occurs to me, next time everyone wonders why the Reds are not packing them in at GABP, that we all might reflect on the stinkos they have registered in front of large crowds this year, including the last three of this series...

I said the same thing last night....EVERYTIME we have a big crowd, we lose. The Reds need to leave those people with a positive feeling...so they return.

[Matt700wlw]

Yep. The real Milton comes home to roost.

God forbid his offense help him out.

He didn't throw a stinker today, he didn't throw a gem....he's pitched well enough to give the Reds a chance to win, but their bats have been stone cold.

[PickOff]

He had a hard time getting it out of his glove. Seems to be a general problem with Lopez.

[Red in Chicago]

damn, felipe can really test a person's patience...

[Kc61]

Yep. The real Milton comes home to roost.

Even the good Milton fades in the later innings. Reds brass doesn't seem to appreciate this.

[edabbs44]

1 more out.
I hope he packed lunch.

[vaticanplum]

I've gotta say, I like these Cubs TV announcers a lot better than I like Pat Hughes (I'm a big Santo fan, but he's home sick right now). They're obviously rooting for the Cubs, but they're pretty even-handed. Said the Reds will be more dangerous the second half because they're bound to trade for some help -- which is something that seems obvious on the rare occasions when people actually say it.

I'm much fonder of them than I am of the Reds' lineup at this moment.

[CTA513]

The Reds have a real good chance of flying past the Cardinals and they are blowing it.

[Marc D]

Yep. A walker, not a contact hitter.

IMO Hatteberg does a great job of working the count to get his pitch. He just can't do anything with it. Of course the flipside could be pitchers know this and instead of walk him they just dare him to hit it.

Whatever the reason I have lost count of how many times this year I've jumped up thinking Hatteberg just killed a ball and it doesn't even make the warning track.

[Reds Fanatic]

Walker grounds out to 1st. 4-1 Cubs mid 7th.