6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

[oneupper]

Runners sent back because Clark slid at the player (interference), not the base.

Good call umps


Clark took a cheap shot at Ross.

[Matt700wlw]

Runners sent back because Clark slid at the player (interference), not the base.

Good call umps

Oh ok. Thanks!

[RFS62]

Clark took a cheap shot at Ross.


Yeah, I'm all for agressive baserunning, but he basically clipped him from behind. Could have really hurt Ross.

[edabbs44]

Why the cut? Why the cut?

[Matt700wlw]

Crap.

[George Foster]

Don't want jenkins up here... ops I was right..

[Red in Chicago]

wow, this got ugly afterall:thumbdown

[GAC]

a walk re-loads the bases, and Jenkins singles in 2 runs

3-1 Brewers

Ho-Hum

[MWM]

Bonehead play by Hatteberg, or whoever called for the cutoff. He would have been nailed.

[Matt700wlw]

wow, this got ugly afterall:thumbdown

Well....if the offense could do something...

[CTA513]

Kearns could of had a chance to get that second runner out at home if the ball wasnt cut off.

:thumbdown

[George Foster]

Ross had to yell to Hatty to cut the ball...

[edabbs44]

4-1...getting ugly.

[GAC]

single

4-1 now

[Red in Chicago]

3 runs SHOULDN'T be ugly....

but 4 is:devil:

[smith288]

This is the type of stuff the Reds ARENT doing. *sigh*

[CTA513]

4-1... that lead should be real easy to cut with how well the offense is going.

:sleep:

[GAC]

I just don't know what it is about this Red's offense (can't put my finger on it)..... but it is definitely offensive. ;)

[reds44]

Don't worry we have 4 runs, now th offense will wake up, but leave runners on the next 4 innings. This team is like clockwork.

[MWM]

The Reds sure do beat themselves quite a bit.

[George Foster]

4-1...getting ugly.

We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D

[alloverjr]

I'm excited to see Rich leading off the inning now ;)

[SirFelixCat]

SCRF has noticed that the 3rd person thing didn't last too long... :sad:

[westofyou]

We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D
Of course that's assuming Aurilia doesn't get on.

Which doesn't stretch ones imagination far.

[edabbs44]

I just don't know what it is about this Red's offense (can't put my finger on it)..... but it is definitely offensive. ;)
They are all or nothing. Very rare to see a bunch of hits/walks strung together like we just saw happen.

[Matt700wlw]

Rich shaves the goatee and now can't hit.

Shame on him.

[edabbs44]

Of course that's assuming Aurilia doesn't get on.

Which doesn't stretch ones imagination far.
But that's assuming Dunn will hit a HR with someone on base...;)

[westofyou]

The Reds sure do beat themselves quite a bit.
yes, they are the Silas (the Monk) of MLB.

[OnBaseMachine]

This losing streak may reach double digits. If you can't beat the Brewers with Harang and Arroyo pitching, well, you probably aren't going to beta them with Ramirez pitching. Then the White Sox and their great rotation comes to town to face the Milton, Claussen, and Harang. Then off to Shea Stadium to face the best team in the NL.

[MWM]

I know this was never a playoff team and that it's all about talent on the roster, but this team is lacking something intangible. As soon as they start to play well and get into first place, they fall apart and really start to press and beat themselves. You can almost see them freeze up a little once things are going really well.

[GAC]

SCRF has noticed that the 3rd person thing didn't last too long... :sad:

RAAAAAA homers

[CTA513]

Ralley killing homerun.

[WebScorpion]

We have 4 innings to get 4 runs...this offense can do that. The only problem is I'm not sure they can get the 4 or 5 more that our bullpen is likely to give up. :help:

[edabbs44]

They are all or nothing. Very rare to see a bunch of hits/walks strung together like we just saw happen.
That was all...nice shot RA.

[alloverjr]

I'm excited to see Rich leading off the inning now ;)


crap :D

[Matt700wlw]

Rich shaves the goatee and now can't hit.

Shame on him.

:D

[westofyou]

I sniff solo HR mojo.

But that ain't the manly way to get back in the game.

[OldRightHander]

Of course that's assuming Aurilia doesn't get on.

Which doesn't stretch ones imagination far.

He got on all right. Darned rally killing homer. :)

[reds44]

RA homer

4-2

like I said we get down, then we score.

It's comical.

[RFS62]

Ralley killing homerun.




:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That selfish bastard

[Red in Chicago]

Rich shaves the goatee and now can't hit.

Shame on him.

hush yo' mouth:devil:

[George Foster]

I'm excited to see Rich leading off the inning now ;)

Me to...keep jinxing them:thumbup:

[westofyou]

This losing streak may reach double digits.
It could go on forever too... let's hope,

[Matt700wlw]

:aurilia:

:jump:

:dunn:

:jump:

[CTA513]

Ralley killers.

;)

[edabbs44]

That was all...nice shot RA.
All again...nice prediction on the Dunn solo.

[MWM]

Yeah, that Dunn can't hit anything when it matters.

[reds44]

back-to-back

4-3!!!

[George Foster]

We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D

your ohio lottery numbers tonight are 6,12,24,41,45:D

[OldRightHander]

We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D

You called it.

[Matt700wlw]

Almost!

[edabbs44]

Maybe Milwaukee should get someone up...

[MWM]

I thought Kearns' was gone.

[GAC]

Ears gave it a ride - but caught at the wall in LF

[WebScorpion]

Ears is just showing off now...

I think it's Ross' turn. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds are back in this game....but it's almost :explode: (bullpen) time.

[vaticanplum]

I sniff solo HR mojo.

But that ain't the manly way to get back in the game.

:lol:

Rich should have hit a double. Same amount of runs in the end, but more productive and selfless.

[Gallen5862]

GA says its time for the Reds to rally.

[Kc61]

Reds these days seem to score only on solo home runs (one last night had a man on, sorry). Never string together base hits like the Brewers just did.

[edabbs44]

The Reds are back in this game....but it's almost :explode: (bullpen) time.
http://www.theslant.com/jam/images/downer.jpg

[OldRightHander]

Reds these days seem to score only on solo home runs (one last night had a man on, sorry). Never string together base hits like the Brewers just did.

However they cross the plate is fine with me, as long as they score.

[OnBaseMachine]

Third straight time Ross has struckout swinging on a 3-2 fastball up in the zone.

[Matt700wlw]

http://www.theslant.com/jam/images/downer.jpg

Not me :D

The bullpen.

[George Foster]

Guess who starts as our catcher tomorrow?

[Matt700wlw]

Guess who starts as our catcher tomorrow?

Valentin with the Lizard?

[Falls City Beer]

Third straight time Ross has struckout swinging on a 3-2 fastball up in the zone.

Have they discovered his "Reggie Sanders?"

[OldRightHander]

I knew it wouldn't be long before we heard "rally killer" from the broadcast team.

[OnBaseMachine]

Chris just mentioned something about a rally killing home run.

[OnBaseMachine]

Good atbat by Olmedo.

[MWM]

What? Arroyo is hitting?

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo is batting.

Surprising actually.

[George Foster]

Narron showing no faith in the bullpen..Arroyo bats

[reds44]

Ray Ray walks.

Why aren't we pinch hitting?

[MWM]

He's thrown 110 freaking pitches.

[oneupper]

This is stupid...Narron has lost it.

[OnBaseMachine]

What? Arroyo is hitting?

Yes, despite throwing 111 pitches. :confused: :confused:

[OldRightHander]

Good atbat by Olmedo.

Yep, no pitcher's spot leading off the next inning. Time for Bronson to help himself after that SB.

[GAC]

Why in the world are they allowing Arroyo to bat here?

[Falls City Beer]

I guess he's giving up on this inning to keep the bullpen from getting in the game.

If that is Jerry's way of communicating his displeasure to the front office, I'm all for it.

[Matt700wlw]

This is stupid...Narron has lost it.

The bullpen has lost it. He has very little to work with.

[edabbs44]

At least Q wasn't in.

[RFS62]

very stupid.

[vaticanplum]

I think Arroyo is a pitcher who can handle more than 111 pitches, honestly. Or maybe the bullpen has just made me that delusional.

[George Foster]

This is stupid...Narron has lost it.

Arroyo with 111 pitches is better than anythng we got in left center field.

[MWM]

At least Q wasn't in.

Hell, Arroyo's a better hitter than Q.

[reds44]

Stupid move by Narron.

[flyer85]

why did Jerry not PH with Arroyo up to 110 pitches?

[oneupper]

The bullpen has lost it. He has very little to work with.

Yeah, and those guys have got to feel really confident, too...

I'm sorry...this is idiotic.

[RFS62]

Dusty Narron let's him hit with 111 pitches and a runner in scoring position.

[Doc. Scott]

I think Narron's going to regret he did that, "message to the front office" or no.

[GAC]

GAC IS GETTING ANGRY! :angry:

[CTA513]

Arroyo better be pitching this inning or that was a waste.

[Falls City Beer]

I think Narron's going to regret he did that, "message to the front office" or no.

I don't think this team wins regardless of what Narron does.

This is a guaranteed loss.

[flyer85]

every night Jerry seems to do things that make no sense especially when viewed from a macro standpoint

[WebScorpion]

The only way that makes sense is if Arroyo pitches the 7th and Coffey pitches the 8th AND 9th.

[flyer85]

Dusty Narron let's him hit with 111 pitches and a runner in scoring position.it's not like they didn't beat him around last inning

[BuckeyeRedleg]

We have 2 innings to get the tying run in before Turnbow shuts the door and Narron lets Arroyo and his 111 pitches hit for himself.

I tell you. Narron is batting way below the Mendoza line with his gut calls.

[pedro]

I don't think this team wins regardless of what Narron does.

This is a guaranteed loss.

oh come on.

[OldRightHander]

Arroyo better be pitching this inning or that was a waste.

He'd better get through this inning without the score changing.

[Matt700wlw]

This is a guaranteed loss.


Uh...ok.

[Falls City Beer]

oh come on.


Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

[Matt700wlw]

We have 2 innings to get the tying run in before Turnbow shuts the door and Narron lets Arroyo and his 111 pitches hit for himself.

I tell you. Narron is batting way below the Mendoza line with his gut calls.

On the plus side, Arroyo does get 5 days rest after this start with the off day Thurs.

Maybe that played a roll into tonight's decision

[oneupper]

Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

Perhaps...but you can't think that way.

[OldRightHander]

Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

Your optimism is touching. I'm tearing up here.

[Matt700wlw]

Hammond was warming, Mercker is now, along with Yan.

[reds44]

Narron we don't need to kill our ace's arm.

[Falls City Beer]

Your optimism is touching. I'm tearing up here.

If I'm wrong I'll fess up. But I'm not going to be.

[Doc. Scott]

Mercker now throwing in the bullpen. Just in case Fielder comes up. Need that lefty-versus-lefty.

[KronoRed]

Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.
Choose your poison

[Red in Chicago]

a tired arroyo is still better than a rested bullpen (minus coffey)

[OnBaseMachine]

Arroyo is the man!

[Matt700wlw]

Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

[George Foster]

Great pitch by Arroyo...sending a message

[pedro]

Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

Marty B concurs.

[Doc. Scott]

Marty can't bring himself to yell at Narron, but he yells at the umpire for warning Arroyo for throwing a pitch over Brady Clark's head. Could Arroyo not have been pissed for Clark's dirty play the inning before, 121 pitches or no?

[oneupper]

I don't think we deserve Arroyo...

[Matt700wlw]

Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

He was terrible.

[GAC]

Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

1-2-3 inning for Arroyo. ;)

[Kc61]

Got to like the way Arroyo plays. He really leads by example. Loved his bunt earlier too.

Reds need to come back and win this thing.

[George Foster]

Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

that was the most intentional pitch I've seen this year.

Great call Jerry...1,2,3 seventh

[reds44]

Ok that is enough Narron.

[IslandRed]

I mean, it's not like we can ever know for sure, but... guy with good control, hitter who tried to take out Ross last time he was on, first pitch behind his head... I vote "message."

[Matt700wlw]

Marty can't bring himself to yell at Narron, but he yells at the umpire for warning Arroyo for throwing a pitch over Brady Clark's head. Could Arroyo not have been pissed for Clark's dirty play the inning before, 121 pitches or no?

Most "messages" are nice rib shots, not someone's head.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

Yes it was. It was revenge for that bush league play by Clark a few innings a go. Great job by Arroyo.

[OldRightHander]

Great pitch by Arroyo...sending a message

A message might have been sent, but I'm not sure it was on purpose in the 7th inning of a one run game. I could be wrong, but I don't really think he would want to plunk someone late in a close game.

[GAC]

Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

uhhhh.... I think it was. It was BA's fav catcher that Clark tried to take out. ;)

[reds44]

I don't think we deserve Arroyo...
Reds44 agrees.

[Red in Chicago]

was that arroyo "acting" like he was questionning the warning?:p:

[Matt700wlw]

Yes it was. It was revenge for that bush league play by Clark a few innings a go. Great job by Arroyo.

I doubt it. Rib shots usually send messages.

Maybe it was intended to be a "message," but I think it got away from him.

I don't have a problem with him drilling him...but I don't think the warning was neccessary.

[Falls City Beer]

1-2-3 inning for Arroyo. ;)

Hey, you were the ones yelling for Narron to pull Arroyo--I liked the message Narron sent by leaving Arroyo in there.

The Reds are still screwed however.

[KronoRed]

Arroyo: Who? me? :angel:

;)

[Strikes Out Looking]

CC05 thinks Bronson Arroyo is coolest Red in years

[Nugget]

Usually it gases pitchers, you probably didn't know that since you are too busy making smart aleck comments.

Arroyo's not one of those fat out of shape pitchers who need that rest after walking back to the dugout. Its probably also a reason why he can pitch much deeper into games as well.

As long as the bullpen doesn't have to pitch too many innings then Arroyo can probably go one more with Hammond and Coffey closing it out.

[IslandRed]

A message might have been sent, but I'm not sure it was on purpose in the 7th inning of a one run game. I could be wrong, but I don't really think he would want to plunk someone late in a close game.

That's why you throw behind him instead of plunking him. Message sent, no baserunner.

[smith288]

When they say "rally killer" do they mean the rally that was busilly taking place prior to Aurillia's homer that I must have missed?

[reds44]

Arroyo was throwing slop up there that inning. He was topping out in Dave WIlliams territory.

[Doc. Scott]

It wasn't Arroyo's pitch count that was pissing me off. It was leaving him in to bat with the tying run on second base.

[edabbs44]

Thanks Shouse.

[Red in Chicago]

i love phillips hustle

[RFS62]

That's why you throw behind him instead of plunking him. Message sent, no baserunner.


Exactly what I was thinking.

[George Foster]

A message might have been sent, but I'm not sure it was on purpose in the 7th inning of a one run game. I could be wrong, but I don't really think he would want to plunk someone late in a close game.

That's why he threw behind him..if he wanted him plunked, he would have been. I have a man crush on Arroyo.:laugh: ..no way Claussen does that.

[OldRightHander]

That's why you throw behind him instead of plunking him. Message sent, no baserunner.

You have a point there. Plus it looked like a breaking ball, giving the hitter enough time to avoid it and covering his own :mooner: as well.

[reds44]

Speed kills.

I love Brandon.

[GAC]

Hey, you were the ones yelling for Narron to pull Arroyo--I liked the message Narron sent by leaving Arroyo in there.

My reasoning was not so much because of pitch count, but because we had a runner in scoring position.

I agree with Welsh - BA doesn't put the strain on his arm, and throwing 120 pitches was not gonna hurt him. And it didn't.


The Reds are still screwed however.

You've been wrong before. ;)

[KronoRed]

no way Claussen does that.
Claussen might try and he ends up throwing strikes :evil:

[TeamBoone]

The pitch was intentional... and he didn't want to hit him, which is why he missed!

[RFS62]

It wasn't Arroyo's pitch count that was pissing me off. It was leaving him in to bat with the tying run on second base.


Both pissed me off. But especially with a runner on second

[KronoRed]

This game is of course an auto loss, Dunn hit a solo HR, and we all know that he only hits HRs in games the Reds lose :devil:

[smith288]

oh come on.
Dont bother....

[OldRightHander]

Speed kills.


Line drives up the gap aren't bad either. Like to see that about now.

[Falls City Beer]

You've been wrong before. ;)

I'd be a much happier man if I were wrong more often about this team. :mooner:

[George Foster]

Come on Jr...you are due....

[Matt700wlw]

I'd be a much happier man if I were wrong more often about this team. :mooner:

I'd be much happier if Griffey went yard here. :)

[vaticanplum]

What exactly happened with Arroyo?

[edabbs44]

Hatte kills, not speed.

[OldRightHander]

Jr. needs to turn one around here.

[Matt700wlw]

Cards beat Pirates 2-1

[edabbs44]

Cards beat Pirates 2-1
Totally Debbie Downer tonight.

[GAC]

I'd be a much happier man if I were wrong more often about this team. :mooner:

You're the Marty Brenneman of the Game Thread. :lol:

[KronoRed]

2 of the last 3 pitches looked like balls

[George Foster]

What exactly happened with Arroyo?

He threw behind Clark...sending a message to his team and the brewers that if you try to take out my catcher...I will throw at you.

[Matt700wlw]

Totally Debbie Downer tonight.

I just share the info...I don't make it. :)

[Cyclone792]

That's absurd. Final tally is 127 pitches. :bang:

That's assuming that Narron doesn't run him out there again in the 8th inning.

Lousy bullpen and a 1-2-3 inning notwithstanding, that was still a horrible decision to run Arroyo out there for the 7th, especially since the inning was coming on the heels of a high-stress 6th inning. What compounded the issue further was letting him bat the previous inning with a basestealing threat who could (and did) get himself into scoring position during Arroyo's plate appearance.

Thou shall protect thy pitchers, Narron, especially the few quality guys that we've got. Arroyo's arm is worth more than gold to this entire organization right now; let's not harm it.

[M2]

Shouse is murder on LHBs. He might be the best LOOGY on the planet.

[OldRightHander]

2 of the last 3 pitches looked like balls

Actually all pitches are. What else do they play the game with?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

It wasn't Arroyo's pitch count that was pissing me off. It was leaving him in to bat with the tying run on second base.

Amen to that, Doc.

Arroyo can thow 150 pitches and close this thing out for us, but it ain't gone make a difference if we don't score another run.

Fricking nightmare homestand. Of course, Jeykl and Hyde is what we've come to expect from this team the past 6-7 years. I don't know why I'm surprised anymore.

[reds44]

Pinch hit with Felipe.

[KronoRed]

Actually all pitches are. What else do they play the game with?
Smartass :p:

[SirFelixCat]

SCRF would like to point out that as soon as he continued speaking in the 3rd person, the Reds went back-to-back.

SCRF is just sayin' ;)

[KronoRed]

Pinch hit with Felipe.
Jerry pull Rich? HA ;)

Besides, Lopez has been ice cold lately

[RFS62]

'62 has observed that being a Reds fan is like being in love with a very beautiful bi-polar woman.

[Red in Chicago]

get 'em on, get 'em...what's the rest, we seem to have forgotten:bang:

[reds44]

Jerry pull Rich? HA ;)

Besides, Lopez has been ice cold lately
So has RA.

[vaticanplum]

Yankees one out away from a 1-0 win. the yankees have blown the last few days for those of you who haven't been paying attention.

[RFS62]

get 'em on, get 'em...what's the rest, we seem to have forgotten:bang:


In the past it was get 'em on, get 'em over, leave 'em there.

[George Foster]

That's absurd. Final tally is 127 pitches. :bang:

That's assuming that Narron doesn't run him out there again in the 8th inning.

Lousy bullpen and a 1-2-3 inning notwithstanding, that was still a horrible decision to run Arroyo out there for the 7th, especially since the inning was coming on the heels of a high-stress 6th inning. What compounded the issue further was letting him bat the previous inning with a basestealing threat who could (and did) get himself into scoring position during Arroyo's plate appearance.

Thou shall protect thy pitchers, Narron, especially the few quality guys that we've got. Arroyo's arm is worth more than gold to this entire organization right now; let's not harm it.

Arroyo has been quoted as saying that he is not concerned about his pitch count like he was earlier in his career. He say's that now he throws so many pitches in the 60'smph range...his arm does not get tired and he feel he can throw all night.

[vaticanplum]

Oh my lord Ronnie Belliard's MLB photo! What a punk :lol:

[Doc. Scott]

The Dugout could have just as easily written this one (http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout5-28-06.htm) about the Reds, not Oakland.

[KronoRed]

So has RA.
Solid vet, contact guy ext ext ;)

[reds44]

Don't call it 2nd guessing, call it 1st.

Should have pinch hit with Felipe.

[GAC]

That's absurd. Final tally is 127 pitches. :bang:

That's assuming that Narron doesn't run him out there again in the 8th inning.

Lousy bullpen and a 1-2-3 inning notwithstanding, that was still a horrible decision to run Arroyo out there for the 7th, especially since the inning was coming on the heels of a high-stress 6th inning. What compounded the issue further was letting him bat the previous inning with a basestealing threat who could (and did) get himself into scoring position during Arroyo's plate appearance.

Thou shall protect thy pitchers, Narron, especially the few quality guys that we've got. Arroyo's arm is worth more than gold to this entire organization right now; let's not harm it.

But isn't this a situation where the pitcher, manager, and pitching coach all confer in the dugout and make that decision as to the pitcher's condition?

I really don't see where it was that detrimetal of a decision.

Chris Welsh, IMO, brought up a good point - Arroyo's mechanics does not place alot of strain on his arm. So I don't know if those extra 10-12 pitches did any great harm.

[KronoRed]

I bring good news though! if the Reds can get a few more runs behind Dunn can hit a useless solo HR in the 8th :D

[Kc61]

Good use of bullpen by Yost. Lead off guy on second. Lefty reliever gets out lefty batters. Righty reliever gets out RA.

Narron could have used Freel or Larue against lefty; Valentin or Lopez against righty. But he didn't.

Meanwhile, the Reds continue time after time after time to fail to knock in the man in scoring position.

[GAC]

'62 has observed that being a Reds fan is like being in love with a very beautiful bi-polar woman.

What are you complaining about? At least you get to sleep with a different woman every night. ;)

[KronoRed]

A pitcher is the last person I trust to tell me he's tired.

Maybe that's just me.

[Falls City Beer]

Thanks, Wayne, for Yan. He's totally hilarious.

Hilariously fecal.

[George Foster]

Take your seats the Yan Experience begins....

[pedro]

'62 has observed that being a Reds fan is like being in love with a very beautiful bi-polar woman.

She really isn't that good looking.

Her arms are too short and she's very clumsy.

[oneupper]

For those who like the stat, when BP made it to second, the REDS win expectancy went to 52%. After failing to plate him...its down to 24.9%.

Those were big at bats.

[RFS62]

What are you complaining about? At least you get to sleep with a different woman every night. ;)



Uh, that's not my current arrangement. I did have that experience back in the day, however.

[flyer85]

I really don't understand the fascination with Yan

[Matt700wlw]

Yawn walks the leadoff batter

[George Foster]

same shi@# different night!:thumbdown

[KronoRed]

I really don't understand the fascination with Yan
He was good years ago.

[GoReds]

For those who like the stat, when BP made it to second, the REDS win expectancy went to 52%. After failing to plate him...its down to 24.9%.

Those were big at bats.

What was it when Olmedo was at 3rd with one out and the top of the lineup coming up to bat?

[OldRightHander]

She really isn't that good looking.

Her arms are too short and she's very clumsy.

Who's looking at her arms?

[WebScorpion]

Thanks, Wayne, for Yan. He's totally hilarious.

Hilariously fecal.

Hey, he found the plate with one of his first five pitches. :thumbup:

...and apparently didn't need to find it to punch out Fielder. :lol:

[Cyclone792]

But isn't this a situation where the pitcher, manager, and pitching coach all confer in the dugout and make that decision as to the pitcher's condition?

I really don't see where it was that detrimetal of a decision.

Chris Welsh, IMO, brought up a good point - Arroyo's mechanics does not place alot of strain on his arm. So I don't know if those extra 10-12 pitches did any great harm.

The combination of high-stress innings (high pitch count innings) and a cumalative high total pitch count contributes heavily to damaging a pitcher's arm. Arroyo most definitely had some high-stress innings tonight, and allowing him to throw 127 pitches in the same game as those high-stress innings on the heels of allowing him to bat in the 6th inning with a runner on base is ridiculous.

BTW, Retrosheet has recorded the actual pitch count totals for Sandy Koufax from 1961-1964. Take a guess on his average pitch count he had for those four seasons.

[Falls City Beer]

Wayne's little desperation totem, Esteban Yan.

Wayne, seriously, you don't crap gold cufflinks--Yan sucks; get rid of him. Yesterday.

[Red in Chicago]

is cincy under attach:eek:

[Matt700wlw]

Random acts of fireworks...

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Thanks, Wayne, for Yan. He's totally hilarious.

Hilariously fecal.

Yan is very efficient.

He throws the hardest fastball with the least amount of movement.

[flyer85]

He was good years ago.he never was any good

[Doc. Scott]

Yan whiffs Fielder. Wasn't expecting that.

[KronoRed]

Hit the deck.

[oneupper]

What was it when Olmedo was at 3rd with one out and the top of the lineup coming up to bat?

66%

[KronoRed]

is cincy under attach:eek:
I was just thinking the same thing, shook my windows :lol:

[Matt700wlw]

*sigh*


Let's hear 'em!

[RFS62]

God, I love our bullpen.

[OldRightHander]

Yan is very efficient.

He throws the hardest fastball with the least amount of movement.

That one had plenty of movement...moving toward the right center field gap.

[GAC]

The combination of high-stress innings (high pitch count innings) and a cumalative high total pitch count contributes heavily to damaging a pitcher's arm. Arroyo most definitely had some high-stress innings tonight, and allowing him to throw 127 pitches in the same game as those high-stress innings on the heels of allowing him to bat in the 6th inning with a runner on base is ridiculous.

BTW, Retrosheet has recorded the actual pitch count totals for Sandy Koufax from 1961-1964. Take a guess on his average pitch count he had for those four seasons.

And I would agree with you if that was Arroyo's average pitch count this year. Is it?

And you're comparing two different types of pitchers IMO.

[flyer85]

I wonder what Marty had to say about the scrappy Hatty coming up short twice.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Guevara, Shafer, and Medlock looking pretty good right about now.

[Falls City Beer]

Yan whiffs Fielder. Wasn't expecting that.

Fielder's a great hitter: he hits the ball like mad and K's a lot.

Like a certain Reds' outfielder.

[KronoRed]

Guevara, Shafer, and Medlock looking pretty good right about now.
Harnish,Haynes and Anderson are looking pretty good now

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Prediction: Sac fly.

RBI

Dunn with a solo shot in 8th.

5-4 loss.

[GoReds]

Guevara, Shafer, and Medlock looking pretty good right about now.

Kinda like that only girl left at the bar after an all night bender.

[Doc. Scott]

Bases loaded after the double and intentional walk. Damian Miller up.

[Red in Chicago]

babe miller up...mercker warming up...yikes

[Matt700wlw]

If Yan gives up a grand slam, I'm officially done with Esetban Yan.

[GAC]

God, I love our bullpen.

Love stinks.... and so does this bullpen.

Good news - Mercker up in the pen. ;)

[pedro]

I Yan't believe he's not better.

[George Foster]

"Why do we put ourselves through this every night."

....mother of the 1st pick of the 2022 baseball amateur draft

....wife of yours truely

[vaticanplum]

Accentuate the positive just came on my i-tunes.

I-tunes is all-knowing.

[M2]

You've got to wonder if Bill Hall thumbs through the Reds media guide with the same sort of titillation as a teenage boy with a Victoria's Secret catalog.

[Cyclone792]

And I would agree with you if that was Arroyo's average pitch count this year. Is it?

And you're comparing two different types of pitchers IMO.

Coming into tonight, Arroyo had faced exactly two batters with his pitch count at 121 pitches or higher. Given the high stress innings he pitched tonight, it wouldn't surprise me if tonight's start taxed his arm more than any other start in his career. There is no way in the world I'm in favor of allowing Arroyo go enter the 121+ territory. None at all.

FWIW, you'd be very surprised at Koufax's pitch counts.

[Red in Chicago]

You've got to wonder if Bill Hall thumbs through the Reds media guide with the same sort of titillation as a teenage boy with a Victoria's Secret catalog.

priceless line....i love it:D

[OldRightHander]

My three favorite numbers are 6-4-3.

[Falls City Beer]

Yan is monstrously awful and his acquisition by Wayne is frankly an insult to any fan's intelligence.

Don't waste your time tilting at the windmill of defending that bowel movement.

[GAC]

If Yan gives up a grand slam, I'm officially done with Esetban Yan.

He's gotta get it across the plate to do that Matt. ;)

[Doc. Scott]

Yan really has no fricking clue where the ball's going. Then he catches Miller looking.

Put a point in the "idiot savant" column.

[OldRightHander]

My three favorite numbers are 6-4-3.

Never mind. I'll take another one of what I just saw though.

[KronoRed]

Wayne, it's time to start trading real players for help, Yan and Mays aren't gonna cut it.

[oneupper]

Miller K's on a sweatball!

[KronoRed]

I don't think any of those pitches were strikes :lol:

[Tony Cloninger]

I blame the great background of the center field wall that allows hitters to pick up our bullpen pitchers pitches.

[vaticanplum]

My god, you guys are really on a roll tonight (posters I mean, not the Reds).

[OldRightHander]

Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:

[oneupper]

Yan is monstrously awful and his acquisition by Wayne is frankly an insult to any fan's intelligence.

Don't waste your time tilting at the windmill of defending that bowel movement.

don't cross the line.
:nono:

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I don't want to see Yan pitch again, but if he has to, at least make it slop duty. No game-on-the-line situations, kay?

[Gallen5862]

GA saw that Russ Ortiz was Dfaed. GA not sure if Russ Ortiz would be considered a good pickup or not.

[Red in Chicago]

:devil:
Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:


yeah, except for "location"

[KronoRed]

Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:
He could drop the wrong part and he's right

[George Foster]

Yan is monstrously awful and his acquisition by Wayne is frankly an insult to any fan's intelligence.

Don't waste your time tilting at the windmill of defending that bowel movement.

dude your killing me, I've had a stomach virus all day....3 rolls of TP..gone

[westofyou]

Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:
That a chainsaw wouldn't be able to fix.

[Doc. Scott]

GA saw that Russ Ortiz was Dfaed. GA not sure if Russ Ortiz would be considered a good pickup or not.

If you think back, Dan O' Brien had at one time pursued Ortiz so he could give him the Milton money. There's a situation that would have actually been Even Worse.

[OldRightHander]

:angry: :bang:

[RFS62]

that ball bounced ten feet in front of the plate

[flyer85]

Yans problem has always been he doesn't know where it is going

[OldRightHander]

Ok, time for that solo HR now.