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oneupper
06-13-2006, 09:56 PM
Runners sent back because Clark slid at the player (interference), not the base.

Good call umps


Clark took a cheap shot at Ross.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 09:56 PM
Runners sent back because Clark slid at the player (interference), not the base.

Good call umps

Oh ok. Thanks!

RFS62
06-13-2006, 09:57 PM
Clark took a cheap shot at Ross.


Yeah, I'm all for agressive baserunning, but he basically clipped him from behind. Could have really hurt Ross.

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 09:58 PM
Why the cut? Why the cut?

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 09:58 PM
Crap.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 09:58 PM
Don't want jenkins up here... ops I was right..

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
wow, this got ugly afterall:thumbdown

GAC
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
a walk re-loads the bases, and Jenkins singles in 2 runs

3-1 Brewers

Ho-Hum

MWM
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Bonehead play by Hatteberg, or whoever called for the cutoff. He would have been nailed.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
wow, this got ugly afterall:thumbdown

Well....if the offense could do something...

CTA513
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Kearns could of had a chance to get that second runner out at home if the ball wasnt cut off.

:thumbdown

George Foster
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Ross had to yell to Hatty to cut the ball...

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:00 PM
4-1...getting ugly.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:00 PM
single

4-1 now

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:00 PM
3 runs SHOULDN'T be ugly....

but 4 is:devil:

smith288
06-13-2006, 10:01 PM
This is the type of stuff the Reds ARENT doing. *sigh*

CTA513
06-13-2006, 10:01 PM
4-1... that lead should be real easy to cut with how well the offense is going.

:sleep:

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:01 PM
I just don't know what it is about this Red's offense (can't put my finger on it)..... but it is definitely offensive. ;)

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:01 PM
Don't worry we have 4 runs, now th offense will wake up, but leave runners on the next 4 innings. This team is like clockwork.

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:01 PM
The Reds sure do beat themselves quite a bit.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:02 PM
4-1...getting ugly.

We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D

alloverjr
06-13-2006, 10:03 PM
I'm excited to see Rich leading off the inning now ;)

SirFelixCat
06-13-2006, 10:03 PM
SCRF has noticed that the 3rd person thing didn't last too long... :sad:

westofyou
06-13-2006, 10:03 PM
We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D
Of course that's assuming Aurilia doesn't get on.

Which doesn't stretch ones imagination far.

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:03 PM
I just don't know what it is about this Red's offense (can't put my finger on it)..... but it is definitely offensive. ;)
They are all or nothing. Very rare to see a bunch of hits/walks strung together like we just saw happen.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:04 PM
Rich shaves the goatee and now can't hit.

Shame on him.

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:04 PM
Of course that's assuming Aurilia doesn't get on.

Which doesn't stretch ones imagination far.
But that's assuming Dunn will hit a HR with someone on base...;)

westofyou
06-13-2006, 10:04 PM
The Reds sure do beat themselves quite a bit.
yes, they are the Silas (the Monk) of MLB.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:04 PM
This losing streak may reach double digits. If you can't beat the Brewers with Harang and Arroyo pitching, well, you probably aren't going to beta them with Ramirez pitching. Then the White Sox and their great rotation comes to town to face the Milton, Claussen, and Harang. Then off to Shea Stadium to face the best team in the NL.

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
I know this was never a playoff team and that it's all about talent on the roster, but this team is lacking something intangible. As soon as they start to play well and get into first place, they fall apart and really start to press and beat themselves. You can almost see them freeze up a little once things are going really well.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
SCRF has noticed that the 3rd person thing didn't last too long... :sad:

RAAAAAA homers

CTA513
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
Ralley killing homerun.

WebScorpion
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
We have 4 innings to get 4 runs...this offense can do that. The only problem is I'm not sure they can get the 4 or 5 more that our bullpen is likely to give up. :help:

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
They are all or nothing. Very rare to see a bunch of hits/walks strung together like we just saw happen.
That was all...nice shot RA.

alloverjr
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
I'm excited to see Rich leading off the inning now ;)


crap :D

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
Rich shaves the goatee and now can't hit.

Shame on him.

:D

westofyou
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
I sniff solo HR mojo.

But that ain't the manly way to get back in the game.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Of course that's assuming Aurilia doesn't get on.

Which doesn't stretch ones imagination far.

He got on all right. Darned rally killing homer. :)

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
RA homer

4-2

like I said we get down, then we score.

It's comical.

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Ralley killing homerun.




:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That selfish bastard

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Rich shaves the goatee and now can't hit.

Shame on him.

hush yo' mouth:devil:

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
I'm excited to see Rich leading off the inning now ;)

Me to...keep jinxing them:thumbup:

westofyou
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
This losing streak may reach double digits.
It could go on forever too... let's hope,

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
:aurilia:

:jump:

:dunn:

:jump:

CTA513
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Ralley killers.

;)

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
That was all...nice shot RA.
All again...nice prediction on the Dunn solo.

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:07 PM
Yeah, that Dunn can't hit anything when it matters.

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:07 PM
back-to-back

4-3!!!

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:07 PM
We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D

your ohio lottery numbers tonight are 6,12,24,41,45:D

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:07 PM
We can look forward to a solo homerun by Dunn now anyway:D

You called it.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Almost!

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Maybe Milwaukee should get someone up...

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:08 PM
I thought Kearns' was gone.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Ears gave it a ride - but caught at the wall in LF

WebScorpion
06-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Ears is just showing off now...

I think it's Ross' turn. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:09 PM
The Reds are back in this game....but it's almost :explode: (bullpen) time.

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:10 PM
I sniff solo HR mojo.

But that ain't the manly way to get back in the game.

:lol:

Rich should have hit a double. Same amount of runs in the end, but more productive and selfless.

Gallen5862
06-13-2006, 10:10 PM
GA says its time for the Reds to rally.

Kc61
06-13-2006, 10:10 PM
Reds these days seem to score only on solo home runs (one last night had a man on, sorry). Never string together base hits like the Brewers just did.

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:12 PM
The Reds are back in this game....but it's almost :explode: (bullpen) time.
http://www.theslant.com/jam/images/downer.jpg

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:12 PM
Reds these days seem to score only on solo home runs (one last night had a man on, sorry). Never string together base hits like the Brewers just did.

However they cross the plate is fine with me, as long as they score.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:12 PM
Third straight time Ross has struckout swinging on a 3-2 fastball up in the zone.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:12 PM
http://www.theslant.com/jam/images/downer.jpg

Not me :D

The bullpen.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:12 PM
Guess who starts as our catcher tomorrow?

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:13 PM
Guess who starts as our catcher tomorrow?

Valentin with the Lizard?

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:14 PM
Third straight time Ross has struckout swinging on a 3-2 fastball up in the zone.

Have they discovered his "Reggie Sanders?"

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:14 PM
I knew it wouldn't be long before we heard "rally killer" from the broadcast team.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:14 PM
Chris just mentioned something about a rally killing home run.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Good atbat by Olmedo.

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:15 PM
What? Arroyo is hitting?

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Arroyo is batting.

Surprising actually.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Narron showing no faith in the bullpen..Arroyo bats

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:15 PM
Ray Ray walks.

Why aren't we pinch hitting?

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:15 PM
He's thrown 110 freaking pitches.

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:16 PM
This is stupid...Narron has lost it.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:16 PM
What? Arroyo is hitting?

Yes, despite throwing 111 pitches. :confused: :confused:

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Good atbat by Olmedo.

Yep, no pitcher's spot leading off the next inning. Time for Bronson to help himself after that SB.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Why in the world are they allowing Arroyo to bat here?

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:16 PM
I guess he's giving up on this inning to keep the bullpen from getting in the game.

If that is Jerry's way of communicating his displeasure to the front office, I'm all for it.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:17 PM
This is stupid...Narron has lost it.

The bullpen has lost it. He has very little to work with.

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:17 PM
At least Q wasn't in.

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:17 PM
very stupid.

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:17 PM
I think Arroyo is a pitcher who can handle more than 111 pitches, honestly. Or maybe the bullpen has just made me that delusional.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:17 PM
This is stupid...Narron has lost it.

Arroyo with 111 pitches is better than anythng we got in left center field.

MWM
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
At least Q wasn't in.

Hell, Arroyo's a better hitter than Q.

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
Stupid move by Narron.

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
why did Jerry not PH with Arroyo up to 110 pitches?

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
The bullpen has lost it. He has very little to work with.

Yeah, and those guys have got to feel really confident, too...

I'm sorry...this is idiotic.

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
Dusty Narron let's him hit with 111 pitches and a runner in scoring position.

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
I think Narron's going to regret he did that, "message to the front office" or no.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:18 PM
GAC IS GETTING ANGRY! :angry:

CTA513
06-13-2006, 10:19 PM
Arroyo better be pitching this inning or that was a waste.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:19 PM
I think Narron's going to regret he did that, "message to the front office" or no.

I don't think this team wins regardless of what Narron does.

This is a guaranteed loss.

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:19 PM
every night Jerry seems to do things that make no sense especially when viewed from a macro standpoint

WebScorpion
06-13-2006, 10:19 PM
The only way that makes sense is if Arroyo pitches the 7th and Coffey pitches the 8th AND 9th.

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:19 PM
Dusty Narron let's him hit with 111 pitches and a runner in scoring position.it's not like they didn't beat him around last inning

BuckeyeRedleg
06-13-2006, 10:20 PM
We have 2 innings to get the tying run in before Turnbow shuts the door and Narron lets Arroyo and his 111 pitches hit for himself.

I tell you. Narron is batting way below the Mendoza line with his gut calls.

pedro
06-13-2006, 10:20 PM
I don't think this team wins regardless of what Narron does.

This is a guaranteed loss.

oh come on.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:21 PM
Arroyo better be pitching this inning or that was a waste.

He'd better get through this inning without the score changing.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:21 PM
This is a guaranteed loss.


Uh...ok.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:21 PM
oh come on.


Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:22 PM
We have 2 innings to get the tying run in before Turnbow shuts the door and Narron lets Arroyo and his 111 pitches hit for himself.

I tell you. Narron is batting way below the Mendoza line with his gut calls.

On the plus side, Arroyo does get 5 days rest after this start with the off day Thurs.

Maybe that played a roll into tonight's decision

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:22 PM
Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

Perhaps...but you can't think that way.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:22 PM
Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

Your optimism is touching. I'm tearing up here.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Hammond was warming, Mercker is now, along with Yan.

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Narron we don't need to kill our ace's arm.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Your optimism is touching. I'm tearing up here.

If I'm wrong I'll fess up. But I'm not going to be.

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Mercker now throwing in the bullpen. Just in case Fielder comes up. Need that lefty-versus-lefty.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Think about it: either way, Narron's screwed. Bring in the bullpen--the Reds are screwed. Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.
Choose your poison

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:23 PM
a tired arroyo is still better than a rested bullpen (minus coffey)

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:24 PM
Arroyo is the man!

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:24 PM
Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:24 PM
Great pitch by Arroyo...sending a message

pedro
06-13-2006, 10:25 PM
Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

Marty B concurs.

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:25 PM
Marty can't bring himself to yell at Narron, but he yells at the umpire for warning Arroyo for throwing a pitch over Brady Clark's head. Could Arroyo not have been pissed for Clark's dirty play the inning before, 121 pitches or no?

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:26 PM
I don't think we deserve Arroyo...

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

He was terrible.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Leave in Arroyo, they're screwed.

1-2-3 inning for Arroyo. ;)

Kc61
06-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Got to like the way Arroyo plays. He really leads by example. Loved his bunt earlier too.

Reds need to come back and win this thing.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

that was the most intentional pitch I've seen this year.

Great call Jerry...1,2,3 seventh

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Ok that is enough Narron.

IslandRed
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
I mean, it's not like we can ever know for sure, but... guy with good control, hitter who tried to take out Ross last time he was on, first pitch behind his head... I vote "message."

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
Marty can't bring himself to yell at Narron, but he yells at the umpire for warning Arroyo for throwing a pitch over Brady Clark's head. Could Arroyo not have been pissed for Clark's dirty play the inning before, 121 pitches or no?

Most "messages" are nice rib shots, not someone's head.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

Yes it was. It was revenge for that bush league play by Clark a few innings a go. Great job by Arroyo.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
Great pitch by Arroyo...sending a message

A message might have been sent, but I'm not sure it was on purpose in the 7th inning of a one run game. I could be wrong, but I don't really think he would want to plunk someone late in a close game.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
Ump warns benches and Arroyo...

Are you kidding me? :bang:

Marty Foster is a tool - that was not intentional

uhhhh.... I think it was. It was BA's fav catcher that Clark tried to take out. ;)

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
I don't think we deserve Arroyo...
Reds44 agrees.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
was that arroyo "acting" like he was questionning the warning?:p:

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:27 PM
Yes it was. It was revenge for that bush league play by Clark a few innings a go. Great job by Arroyo.

I doubt it. Rib shots usually send messages.

Maybe it was intended to be a "message," but I think it got away from him.

I don't have a problem with him drilling him...but I don't think the warning was neccessary.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:28 PM
1-2-3 inning for Arroyo. ;)

Hey, you were the ones yelling for Narron to pull Arroyo--I liked the message Narron sent by leaving Arroyo in there.

The Reds are still screwed however.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:28 PM
Arroyo: Who? me? :angel:

;)

Strikes Out Looking
06-13-2006, 10:28 PM
CC05 thinks Bronson Arroyo is coolest Red in years

Nugget
06-13-2006, 10:28 PM
Usually it gases pitchers, you probably didn't know that since you are too busy making smart aleck comments.

Arroyo's not one of those fat out of shape pitchers who need that rest after walking back to the dugout. Its probably also a reason why he can pitch much deeper into games as well.

As long as the bullpen doesn't have to pitch too many innings then Arroyo can probably go one more with Hammond and Coffey closing it out.

IslandRed
06-13-2006, 10:28 PM
A message might have been sent, but I'm not sure it was on purpose in the 7th inning of a one run game. I could be wrong, but I don't really think he would want to plunk someone late in a close game.

That's why you throw behind him instead of plunking him. Message sent, no baserunner.

smith288
06-13-2006, 10:29 PM
When they say "rally killer" do they mean the rally that was busilly taking place prior to Aurillia's homer that I must have missed?

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:29 PM
Arroyo was throwing slop up there that inning. He was topping out in Dave WIlliams territory.

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
It wasn't Arroyo's pitch count that was pissing me off. It was leaving him in to bat with the tying run on second base.

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
Thanks Shouse.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
i love phillips hustle

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
That's why you throw behind him instead of plunking him. Message sent, no baserunner.


Exactly what I was thinking.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
A message might have been sent, but I'm not sure it was on purpose in the 7th inning of a one run game. I could be wrong, but I don't really think he would want to plunk someone late in a close game.

That's why he threw behind him..if he wanted him plunked, he would have been. I have a man crush on Arroyo.:laugh: ..no way Claussen does that.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
That's why you throw behind him instead of plunking him. Message sent, no baserunner.

You have a point there. Plus it looked like a breaking ball, giving the hitter enough time to avoid it and covering his own :mooner: as well.

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:30 PM
Speed kills.

I love Brandon.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:31 PM
Hey, you were the ones yelling for Narron to pull Arroyo--I liked the message Narron sent by leaving Arroyo in there.

My reasoning was not so much because of pitch count, but because we had a runner in scoring position.

I agree with Welsh - BA doesn't put the strain on his arm, and throwing 120 pitches was not gonna hurt him. And it didn't.


The Reds are still screwed however.

You've been wrong before. ;)

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:31 PM
no way Claussen does that.
Claussen might try and he ends up throwing strikes :evil:

TeamBoone
06-13-2006, 10:31 PM
The pitch was intentional... and he didn't want to hit him, which is why he missed!

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:31 PM
It wasn't Arroyo's pitch count that was pissing me off. It was leaving him in to bat with the tying run on second base.


Both pissed me off. But especially with a runner on second

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:31 PM
This game is of course an auto loss, Dunn hit a solo HR, and we all know that he only hits HRs in games the Reds lose :devil:

smith288
06-13-2006, 10:31 PM
oh come on.
Dont bother....

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:32 PM
Speed kills.


Line drives up the gap aren't bad either. Like to see that about now.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:32 PM
You've been wrong before. ;)

I'd be a much happier man if I were wrong more often about this team. :mooner:

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:33 PM
Come on Jr...you are due....

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:33 PM
I'd be a much happier man if I were wrong more often about this team. :mooner:

I'd be much happier if Griffey went yard here. :)

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:33 PM
What exactly happened with Arroyo?

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:33 PM
Hatte kills, not speed.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:33 PM
Jr. needs to turn one around here.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:34 PM
Cards beat Pirates 2-1

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 10:35 PM
Cards beat Pirates 2-1
Totally Debbie Downer tonight.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:35 PM
I'd be a much happier man if I were wrong more often about this team. :mooner:

You're the Marty Brenneman of the Game Thread. :lol:

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:36 PM
2 of the last 3 pitches looked like balls

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:36 PM
What exactly happened with Arroyo?

He threw behind Clark...sending a message to his team and the brewers that if you try to take out my catcher...I will throw at you.

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:36 PM
Totally Debbie Downer tonight.

I just share the info...I don't make it. :)

Cyclone792
06-13-2006, 10:36 PM
That's absurd. Final tally is 127 pitches. :bang:

That's assuming that Narron doesn't run him out there again in the 8th inning.

Lousy bullpen and a 1-2-3 inning notwithstanding, that was still a horrible decision to run Arroyo out there for the 7th, especially since the inning was coming on the heels of a high-stress 6th inning. What compounded the issue further was letting him bat the previous inning with a basestealing threat who could (and did) get himself into scoring position during Arroyo's plate appearance.

Thou shall protect thy pitchers, Narron, especially the few quality guys that we've got. Arroyo's arm is worth more than gold to this entire organization right now; let's not harm it.

M2
06-13-2006, 10:36 PM
Shouse is murder on LHBs. He might be the best LOOGY on the planet.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:37 PM
2 of the last 3 pitches looked like balls

Actually all pitches are. What else do they play the game with?

BuckeyeRedleg
06-13-2006, 10:37 PM
It wasn't Arroyo's pitch count that was pissing me off. It was leaving him in to bat with the tying run on second base.

Amen to that, Doc.

Arroyo can thow 150 pitches and close this thing out for us, but it ain't gone make a difference if we don't score another run.

Fricking nightmare homestand. Of course, Jeykl and Hyde is what we've come to expect from this team the past 6-7 years. I don't know why I'm surprised anymore.

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:37 PM
Pinch hit with Felipe.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:37 PM
Actually all pitches are. What else do they play the game with?
Smartass :p:

SirFelixCat
06-13-2006, 10:37 PM
SCRF would like to point out that as soon as he continued speaking in the 3rd person, the Reds went back-to-back.

SCRF is just sayin' ;)

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:38 PM
Pinch hit with Felipe.
Jerry pull Rich? HA ;)

Besides, Lopez has been ice cold lately

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:38 PM
'62 has observed that being a Reds fan is like being in love with a very beautiful bi-polar woman.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:38 PM
get 'em on, get 'em...what's the rest, we seem to have forgotten:bang:

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Jerry pull Rich? HA ;)

Besides, Lopez has been ice cold lately
So has RA.

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Yankees one out away from a 1-0 win. the yankees have blown the last few days for those of you who haven't been paying attention.

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:39 PM
get 'em on, get 'em...what's the rest, we seem to have forgotten:bang:


In the past it was get 'em on, get 'em over, leave 'em there.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:40 PM
That's absurd. Final tally is 127 pitches. :bang:

That's assuming that Narron doesn't run him out there again in the 8th inning.

Lousy bullpen and a 1-2-3 inning notwithstanding, that was still a horrible decision to run Arroyo out there for the 7th, especially since the inning was coming on the heels of a high-stress 6th inning. What compounded the issue further was letting him bat the previous inning with a basestealing threat who could (and did) get himself into scoring position during Arroyo's plate appearance.

Thou shall protect thy pitchers, Narron, especially the few quality guys that we've got. Arroyo's arm is worth more than gold to this entire organization right now; let's not harm it.

Arroyo has been quoted as saying that he is not concerned about his pitch count like he was earlier in his career. He say's that now he throws so many pitches in the 60'smph range...his arm does not get tired and he feel he can throw all night.

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:40 PM
Oh my lord Ronnie Belliard's MLB photo! What a punk :lol:

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:41 PM
The Dugout could have just as easily written this one (http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout5-28-06.htm) about the Reds, not Oakland.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:41 PM
So has RA.
Solid vet, contact guy ext ext ;)

reds44
06-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Don't call it 2nd guessing, call it 1st.

Should have pinch hit with Felipe.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:41 PM
That's absurd. Final tally is 127 pitches. :bang:

That's assuming that Narron doesn't run him out there again in the 8th inning.

Lousy bullpen and a 1-2-3 inning notwithstanding, that was still a horrible decision to run Arroyo out there for the 7th, especially since the inning was coming on the heels of a high-stress 6th inning. What compounded the issue further was letting him bat the previous inning with a basestealing threat who could (and did) get himself into scoring position during Arroyo's plate appearance.

Thou shall protect thy pitchers, Narron, especially the few quality guys that we've got. Arroyo's arm is worth more than gold to this entire organization right now; let's not harm it.

But isn't this a situation where the pitcher, manager, and pitching coach all confer in the dugout and make that decision as to the pitcher's condition?

I really don't see where it was that detrimetal of a decision.

Chris Welsh, IMO, brought up a good point - Arroyo's mechanics does not place alot of strain on his arm. So I don't know if those extra 10-12 pitches did any great harm.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:41 PM
I bring good news though! if the Reds can get a few more runs behind Dunn can hit a useless solo HR in the 8th :D

Kc61
06-13-2006, 10:42 PM
Good use of bullpen by Yost. Lead off guy on second. Lefty reliever gets out lefty batters. Righty reliever gets out RA.

Narron could have used Freel or Larue against lefty; Valentin or Lopez against righty. But he didn't.

Meanwhile, the Reds continue time after time after time to fail to knock in the man in scoring position.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:42 PM
'62 has observed that being a Reds fan is like being in love with a very beautiful bi-polar woman.

What are you complaining about? At least you get to sleep with a different woman every night. ;)

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:42 PM
A pitcher is the last person I trust to tell me he's tired.

Maybe that's just me.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:42 PM
Thanks, Wayne, for Yan. He's totally hilarious.

Hilariously fecal.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:43 PM
Take your seats the Yan Experience begins....

pedro
06-13-2006, 10:43 PM
'62 has observed that being a Reds fan is like being in love with a very beautiful bi-polar woman.

She really isn't that good looking.

Her arms are too short and she's very clumsy.

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:43 PM
For those who like the stat, when BP made it to second, the REDS win expectancy went to 52%. After failing to plate him...its down to 24.9%.

Those were big at bats.

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:43 PM
What are you complaining about? At least you get to sleep with a different woman every night. ;)



Uh, that's not my current arrangement. I did have that experience back in the day, however.

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:44 PM
I really don't understand the fascination with Yan

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:44 PM
Yawn walks the leadoff batter

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
same shi@# different night!:thumbdown

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
I really don't understand the fascination with Yan
He was good years ago.

GoReds
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
For those who like the stat, when BP made it to second, the REDS win expectancy went to 52%. After failing to plate him...its down to 24.9%.

Those were big at bats.

What was it when Olmedo was at 3rd with one out and the top of the lineup coming up to bat?

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
She really isn't that good looking.

Her arms are too short and she's very clumsy.

Who's looking at her arms?

WebScorpion
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
Thanks, Wayne, for Yan. He's totally hilarious.

Hilariously fecal.

Hey, he found the plate with one of his first five pitches. :thumbup:

...and apparently didn't need to find it to punch out Fielder. :lol:

Cyclone792
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
But isn't this a situation where the pitcher, manager, and pitching coach all confer in the dugout and make that decision as to the pitcher's condition?

I really don't see where it was that detrimetal of a decision.

Chris Welsh, IMO, brought up a good point - Arroyo's mechanics does not place alot of strain on his arm. So I don't know if those extra 10-12 pitches did any great harm.

The combination of high-stress innings (high pitch count innings) and a cumalative high total pitch count contributes heavily to damaging a pitcher's arm. Arroyo most definitely had some high-stress innings tonight, and allowing him to throw 127 pitches in the same game as those high-stress innings on the heels of allowing him to bat in the 6th inning with a runner on base is ridiculous.

BTW, Retrosheet has recorded the actual pitch count totals for Sandy Koufax from 1961-1964. Take a guess on his average pitch count he had for those four seasons.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:45 PM
Wayne's little desperation totem, Esteban Yan.

Wayne, seriously, you don't crap gold cufflinks--Yan sucks; get rid of him. Yesterday.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:46 PM
is cincy under attach:eek:

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:46 PM
Random acts of fireworks...

BuckeyeRedleg
06-13-2006, 10:46 PM
Thanks, Wayne, for Yan. He's totally hilarious.

Hilariously fecal.

Yan is very efficient.

He throws the hardest fastball with the least amount of movement.

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:46 PM
He was good years ago.he never was any good

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:47 PM
Yan whiffs Fielder. Wasn't expecting that.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:47 PM
Hit the deck.

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:47 PM
What was it when Olmedo was at 3rd with one out and the top of the lineup coming up to bat?

66%

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:47 PM
is cincy under attach:eek:
I was just thinking the same thing, shook my windows :lol:

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:48 PM
*sigh*


Let's hear 'em!

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:48 PM
God, I love our bullpen.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:48 PM
Yan is very efficient.

He throws the hardest fastball with the least amount of movement.

That one had plenty of movement...moving toward the right center field gap.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:48 PM
The combination of high-stress innings (high pitch count innings) and a cumalative high total pitch count contributes heavily to damaging a pitcher's arm. Arroyo most definitely had some high-stress innings tonight, and allowing him to throw 127 pitches in the same game as those high-stress innings on the heels of allowing him to bat in the 6th inning with a runner on base is ridiculous.

BTW, Retrosheet has recorded the actual pitch count totals for Sandy Koufax from 1961-1964. Take a guess on his average pitch count he had for those four seasons.

And I would agree with you if that was Arroyo's average pitch count this year. Is it?

And you're comparing two different types of pitchers IMO.

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:48 PM
I wonder what Marty had to say about the scrappy Hatty coming up short twice.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-13-2006, 10:48 PM
Guevara, Shafer, and Medlock looking pretty good right about now.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Yan whiffs Fielder. Wasn't expecting that.

Fielder's a great hitter: he hits the ball like mad and K's a lot.

Like a certain Reds' outfielder.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Guevara, Shafer, and Medlock looking pretty good right about now.
Harnish,Haynes and Anderson are looking pretty good now

BuckeyeRedleg
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Prediction: Sac fly.

RBI

Dunn with a solo shot in 8th.

5-4 loss.

GoReds
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Guevara, Shafer, and Medlock looking pretty good right about now.

Kinda like that only girl left at the bar after an all night bender.

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Bases loaded after the double and intentional walk. Damian Miller up.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
babe miller up...mercker warming up...yikes

Matt700wlw
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
If Yan gives up a grand slam, I'm officially done with Esetban Yan.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
God, I love our bullpen.

Love stinks.... and so does this bullpen.

Good news - Mercker up in the pen. ;)

pedro
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
I Yan't believe he's not better.

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:49 PM
"Why do we put ourselves through this every night."

....mother of the 1st pick of the 2022 baseball amateur draft

....wife of yours truely

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:50 PM
Accentuate the positive just came on my i-tunes.

I-tunes is all-knowing.

M2
06-13-2006, 10:50 PM
You've got to wonder if Bill Hall thumbs through the Reds media guide with the same sort of titillation as a teenage boy with a Victoria's Secret catalog.

Cyclone792
06-13-2006, 10:51 PM
And I would agree with you if that was Arroyo's average pitch count this year. Is it?

And you're comparing two different types of pitchers IMO.

Coming into tonight, Arroyo had faced exactly two batters with his pitch count at 121 pitches or higher. Given the high stress innings he pitched tonight, it wouldn't surprise me if tonight's start taxed his arm more than any other start in his career. There is no way in the world I'm in favor of allowing Arroyo go enter the 121+ territory. None at all.

FWIW, you'd be very surprised at Koufax's pitch counts.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:51 PM
You've got to wonder if Bill Hall thumbs through the Reds media guide with the same sort of titillation as a teenage boy with a Victoria's Secret catalog.

priceless line....i love it:D

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:51 PM
My three favorite numbers are 6-4-3.

Falls City Beer
06-13-2006, 10:52 PM
Yan is monstrously awful and his acquisition by Wayne is frankly an insult to any fan's intelligence.

Don't waste your time tilting at the windmill of defending that bowel movement.

GAC
06-13-2006, 10:52 PM
If Yan gives up a grand slam, I'm officially done with Esetban Yan.

He's gotta get it across the plate to do that Matt. ;)

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:52 PM
Yan really has no fricking clue where the ball's going. Then he catches Miller looking.

Put a point in the "idiot savant" column.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:52 PM
My three favorite numbers are 6-4-3.

Never mind. I'll take another one of what I just saw though.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:52 PM
Wayne, it's time to start trading real players for help, Yan and Mays aren't gonna cut it.

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:52 PM
Miller K's on a sweatball!

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:53 PM
I don't think any of those pitches were strikes :lol:

Tony Cloninger
06-13-2006, 10:53 PM
I blame the great background of the center field wall that allows hitters to pick up our bullpen pitchers pitches.

vaticanplum
06-13-2006, 10:53 PM
My god, you guys are really on a roll tonight (posters I mean, not the Reds).

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:53 PM
Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:

oneupper
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
Yan is monstrously awful and his acquisition by Wayne is frankly an insult to any fan's intelligence.

Don't waste your time tilting at the windmill of defending that bowel movement.

don't cross the line.
:nono:

BuckeyeRedleg
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
I don't want to see Yan pitch again, but if he has to, at least make it slop duty. No game-on-the-line situations, kay?

Gallen5862
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
GA saw that Russ Ortiz was Dfaed. GA not sure if Russ Ortiz would be considered a good pickup or not.

Red in Chicago
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
:devil:
Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:


yeah, except for "location"

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:
He could drop the wrong part and he's right

George Foster
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
Yan is monstrously awful and his acquisition by Wayne is frankly an insult to any fan's intelligence.

Don't waste your time tilting at the windmill of defending that bowel movement.

dude your killing me, I've had a stomach virus all day....3 rolls of TP..gone

westofyou
06-13-2006, 10:54 PM
Grande: "Nothing wrong with Yan's arm."

:laugh:
That a chainsaw wouldn't be able to fix.

Doc. Scott
06-13-2006, 10:55 PM
GA saw that Russ Ortiz was Dfaed. GA not sure if Russ Ortiz would be considered a good pickup or not.

If you think back, Dan O' Brien had at one time pursued Ortiz so he could give him the Milton money. There's a situation that would have actually been Even Worse.

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:55 PM
:angry: :bang:

RFS62
06-13-2006, 10:55 PM
that ball bounced ten feet in front of the plate

flyer85
06-13-2006, 10:56 PM
Yans problem has always been he doesn't know where it is going

OldRightHander
06-13-2006, 10:56 PM
Ok, time for that solo HR now.