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Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 12:07 PM
Starting Lineups:


White Sox (43 - 25)
2nd in AL Central
Reds (37 - 31)
2nd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. S Podsednik, LF .249 1 23 21
2. T Iguchi, 2B .285 6 25 4
3. J Thome, 1B .279 22 56 0
4. J Dye, RF .296 19 50 3
5. A Pierzynski, C .324 3 18 0
6. A Cintron, 3B .279 2 12 7
7. J Uribe, SS .214 6 24 0
8. R Mackowiak, CF .261 2 11 0
9. J Garland, P - - - -

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. F Lopez, SS .281 7 26 20
2. B Phillips, 2B .304 7 38 14
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .268 11 35 0
4. A Dunn, LF .231 23 42 1
5. A Kearns, RF .272 13 42 4
6. S Hatteberg, 1B .290 4 17 0
7. J Castro, 3B .231 1 14 1
8. J LaRue, C .182 4 11 0
9. A Harang, P .226 0 1 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
J Garland 5 3 6.01 1.46 44

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
A Harang 7 4 3.91 1.28 90

kheidg-
06-18-2006, 12:14 PM
Ugghhh.. Castro

TheBigLebowski
06-18-2006, 12:17 PM
Castro....

LaRue....

Why weaken our offensive lineup against their worst starter?

RedsManRick
06-18-2006, 12:26 PM
Castro 7th, LaRue 8th... huh? Forget their current BA. Castro higher than 8 is a crime.

37red
06-18-2006, 12:30 PM
I'll bet the team hopes they get rained out

37red
06-18-2006, 12:31 PM
I was going to throw a party at my 1000th post but forgot.... oh well, I'll buy this round even though it is late

toledodan
06-18-2006, 12:46 PM
God is the lineup awful at the bottom. of course the last time i complained about the linup they went off. i hope for the same results.:D :thumbup: :redbbcap:

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 12:50 PM
Those listening to today's game on the radio, Nuxie is in the booth with Marty today.

toledodan
06-18-2006, 12:52 PM
Those listening to today's game on the radio, Nuxie is in the booth with Marty today.



its good to see he's feeling well enough to get back in the booth.:thumbup:

Candy Cummings
06-18-2006, 01:00 PM
That is cool. Always good to hear the old left-hander.

I'm sure everyone in the booth will be thrilled to get Castro into the lineup, eating up more outs than he can possibly convert on D.

LaRue, on the other hand, was due for some PT.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:22 PM
Harang with a 1-2-3 inning with 2 K's in the 1st.

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 01:23 PM
Thanks for pbp. I don't get a chance to get the game in NC.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 01:24 PM
Jim Thome is awesome. He said that Dunn is better than what he (Thome) was at that point in his career...and he wishes he had the strikezone knowledge that Dunn has. I've always felt that Dunn was a young Jim Thome, glad to see Thome does too.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 01:25 PM
Bunt goes foul.

Good idea, though.

CrackerJack
06-18-2006, 01:27 PM
You will not forget the fact that it's father's day for more than 5 min's if you are listening to George Grande.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:28 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 as Lopez flies out to left, Phillips lines out to 1st and Junior strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 1.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:31 PM
Dye strikes out swinging. 3 K's for Harang.
Pierszynski strikes out swinging. 4 K's for Harang.
Cintron flies out to left. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 01:34 PM
Harang strikes out 4 of the first 6 he faces.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:36 PM
Dunn reaches 1st on an error by Uribe.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 01:36 PM
Dunn tied for the club lead in RBIs....yes, RBIs....

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:39 PM
Kearns grounds into a 5-4 fielder's choice.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 01:39 PM
wow... a Reds player that actually slid in hard at second to break up a double play.

:)

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:41 PM
Hatteberg singles to center. 1st and 3rd.
Castro flies out to right. Too shallow for Kearns to score.

flyer85
06-18-2006, 01:43 PM
thank goodness we have Castro back

Falls City Beer
06-18-2006, 01:44 PM
thank goodness we have Castro back

Contact, baby.

Tony Cloninger
06-18-2006, 01:44 PM
So Castro is playing......it means RA is out of the lineup and not batting 4th.

Is this not what a lot of people want?

Since JN cannot stop batting RA 4th....maybe having RA hurt and Castro playing until EE comes back is the only way to accomplish this.

I would rather see Freel myself.....but i guess some semblence of a defense is necessary.

Whatever happened to WGN broadcasting their games on TV...i guess it is the Cubs turn today.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:46 PM
Larue walks. Bases loaded.

flyer85
06-18-2006, 01:46 PM
but i guess some semblence of a defense is necessary.what's necessary is not giving up 10 runs a game

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:47 PM
Harang pops out to 2nd. 0-0 after 2.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 01:48 PM
Castro really ruined that inning.

Great acquisition, Wayne.

GAC
06-18-2006, 01:50 PM
Happy Fathers Day to all you mutha's! :lol:

Wife grilling some T-bones

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 01:50 PM
Castro really ruined that inning.

Great acquisition, Wayne.


wow

GAC
06-18-2006, 01:50 PM
Chat is open :beerme:

GAC
06-18-2006, 01:51 PM
Castro really ruined that inning.

Great acquisition, Wayne.

You're gonna jinx Castro talkin' like that ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:51 PM
Uribe flies out to left.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 01:52 PM
wow

??

Care to expand on that thought?

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 01:53 PM
??

Care to expand on that thought?

He wasn't picked up for his bat....we all know that.

I don't expect much from it.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 01:54 PM
He wasn't picked up for his bat....we all know that.

I don't expect much from it.

His glove isn't anything special either.

He was a horrible acquisition. Olmedo is a much better option than Castro.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:55 PM
Mackowiak singles to left.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 01:56 PM
His glove isn't anything special either.

He was a horrible acquisition. Olmedo is a much better option than Castro.

His glove is better than Rich over there. It's better than Lopez over there.

It may be better than Freel's over there, but that's a maybe. Freel's best in the outfield, I think. He likes to run around.

He made some pretty impressive plays during his earlier stint here.


I wouldn't mind having Olmedo up here as well.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 01:57 PM
Garland can't check his swing and strikes out. 5 K's for Harang.

GAC
06-18-2006, 01:57 PM
The thing about the Sox is that even against good pitching they show patience and find ways to still win.

Reds ain't there yet. ;)

pedro
06-18-2006, 01:58 PM
His glove is better than Rich over there. It's better than Lopez over there.

It may be better than Freel's over there, but Freel's best in the outfield, I think.

He made some pretty impressive plays during his earlier stint here.

He has great hands if the ball is hit right at him but honestly so does RA. Both of them have the range of a pony keg though. In the end good range is going to help the defense more than good hands. (Unfortuneatly, Lopez really has neither.)

westofyou
06-18-2006, 01:58 PM
Castro really ruined that inning.

Great acquisition, Wayne.
With RA hurt the man is going to get some ab's.

Reality.

No team is 25 deep, not even the 27 Yankees who carried a little guy from Boston who couldn't hit.

Juan Castro is way more savy baseball wise than Rey Olmedo, not accounting for that aspect of his game is not paying attention to the whims of the guys in the dugout and front office, because that stuff matters to them more than one at bat in the 2nd inning of an interleague game in June.

edabbs44
06-18-2006, 01:59 PM
His glove is better than Rich over there. It's better than Lopez over there.

It may be better than Freel's over there, but Freel's best in the outfield, I think.

He made some pretty impressive plays during his earlier stint here.


I wouldn't mind having Olmedo up here as well.
I agree here. But I think, if he can show some defensive ability, he might be packaged at the deadline. Remember when Boston dealt for Cabrera and Mienkevitcz (sp????????)? They paid a hefty price. And Boston is hurting at SS right now. Just plan B, I would think.

GAC
06-18-2006, 01:59 PM
His glove is better than Rich over there. It's better than Lopez over there.

It may be better than Freel's over there, but Freel's best in the outfield, I think.

He made some pretty impressive plays during his earlier stint here.


I wouldn't mind having Olmedo up here as well.

I agree that his glove is far better then RA's and Freel's by far.

But I wish they had just kept Olmedo up.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 01:59 PM
Gotta agree with OBM and others.

Unless its a small part of a bigger move Castro makes zero sense. We already have the all glove no hit guy in house and cheaper(who can actually hit a little). castro brings nothing to the table but misgivings about our new GM's abilities and that pretty much all we have going for us.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:00 PM
Posednik singles to center. 1st and 3rd.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:00 PM
The unfair part about baseball - the bloop hit. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:00 PM
Gotta agree with OBM and others.

Unless its a small part of a bigger move Castro makes zero sense. We already have the all glove no hit guy in house and cheaper(who can actually hit a little). castro brings nothing to the table but misgivings about our new GM's abilities and that pretty much all we have going for us.

I think it definitely needs to be a setup for a bigger move, or it's another body in an already log-jammed situation.

westofyou
06-18-2006, 02:02 PM
The thing about the Sox is that even against good pitching they show patience and find ways to still win.

Reds ain't there yet. ;)
They are having a judy fest the last 2 games, dink, dink, dink, chinese water torture baseball, with the Reds defense breaking from the small pressure.

That game wouldn't occur half as well against power pitching or good defense, and thh Reds ain't there yet.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:02 PM
Posednik steals 2nd.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:02 PM
Brandon wore his Air Phillips' today.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:02 PM
The thing is - once EE is back, you'll rarely see Castro. He will languish on the bench except in latter innings for defense.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 02:03 PM
The thing is - once EE is back, you'll rarely see Castro. He will languish on the bench except in latter innings for defense.

Lets pray that's so.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:03 PM
Iguchi strikes out swinging. 6 K's for Harang. 0-0 mid 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:04 PM
The thing is - once EE is back, you'll rarely see Castro. He will languish on the bench except in latter innings for defense.

This is the Reds we are talking about - they always find ways to get crap hitters like Castro in there two times a week.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:05 PM
This is the Reds we are talking about - they always find ways to get crap hitters like Castro in there two times a week.
Knowing Narron he will take Q's place as the first pinch hitter he chooses.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:05 PM
Watched game 2 of the 75 WS this morning. If it wasn't for some bad baserunning blunders by the Red Sox, the outcome of that game could have been quite different. ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:06 PM
Lopez grounds out to 2nd.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:07 PM
Knowing Narron he will take Q's place as the first pinch hitter he chooses.


That may actually be an upgrade :eek:

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:07 PM
Knowing Narron he will take Q's place as the first pinch hitter he chooses.

What are his other options as PHers? LaRue? Valentin?

a motley crew. ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:08 PM
Phillips grounds out to 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:09 PM
Phillips hit it hard again but right at 'em.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 02:10 PM
What are his other options as PHers? LaRue? Valentin?

a motley crew. ;)

Agreed but Val and LaRue at least give you a chance for an extra base hit. Qtip and Castro, you might as well let the pitcher hit.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:11 PM
Junior also grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 after 3.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:11 PM
The shift takes away a Jr single ;)

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:12 PM
Jon Garland(6.01 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 19 HR in 82.1 IP) has a shutout through three innings.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:15 PM
Thome strikes out looking. 7 K's for Harang.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:15 PM
Nice pitch!

Thome was confused.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:16 PM
Jon Garland(6.01 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 19 HR in 82.1 IP) has a shutout through three innings.

There's nothing wrong with this offense. ;)

Something ain't right IMO.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:16 PM
Dye hit by the pitch.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:17 PM
I betcha Garland hits Dunn to leadoff the 4th. I don't think that was intentional, but you know Guillen is.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:18 PM
K #8 for Aaron

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:18 PM
Pierzynski strikes out swinging. 8 K's for Harang.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:20 PM
Cintron grounds into a 6-4 fielder's choice. 0-0 mid 4th.

pedro
06-18-2006, 02:21 PM
dunn will go deep here.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:21 PM
Pierzynski strikes out swinging. 8 K's for Harang.

A.J. said a bad word after striking out.


:nono:

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:22 PM
Dunn grounds out to short.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:22 PM
Dunn Go to SS 5-3 put out

1 down

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:23 PM
3 pitches and 2 outs!

GO REDS! :rolleyes:

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:23 PM
Kearns grounds out to short. Difference between Reds and White Sox. White Sox work deep into the count make the pitcher work. Reds swing at the 1st pitch.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:24 PM
What is up with all this Dunn hacking lately? He's been chasing a ton of bad pitches lately and making an out on the first or second pitch.

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:25 PM
Hatteberg lines a single to left.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:25 PM
Wow! Did anyone just hear Welsh?

Talking about the shift on Dunn .... I could care less if Adam Dunn doesn't hit another homerun all season as long as he continues to get on base like he does and not make outs.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:26 PM
Castro 1st pitch GO to 3rd base

inning over

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:26 PM
That was a productive inning...

Reds Fanatic
06-18-2006, 02:26 PM
Castro grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 after 4.

I have to leave if anyone else wants to do PBP.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 02:27 PM
Wow! Did anyone just hear Welsh?

Talking about the shift on Dunn .... I could care less if Adam Dunn doesn't hit another homerun all season as long as he continues to get on base like he does and not make outs.

as George sits there with a blank look on his face

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:28 PM
That was a productive inning...

Its a Reds rule that you must go hack at the first few pitches after your own pitcher has already thrown alot of pitches.

:help:

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:29 PM
Another ball that has got to be caught.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:29 PM
That ball was crushed.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:30 PM
Now everyone sit back and watch as the White Sox get ready to score.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:31 PM
INF single.... runner to 3B

1st and 3rd 0 outs

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:33 PM
bad pitch there Aaron.

0-2 on an AL pitcher trying to bunt, and you throw him a strike?

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 02:34 PM
What ball was crushed?

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:35 PM
What ball was crushed?

Leadoff triple.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:36 PM
Big K there - right in on the hands

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:36 PM
Great pitch by Harang to K Podsednik.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:37 PM
Good work by Harang!

:clap:

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:37 PM
Great D there Hat!

inning over

MrCinatit
06-18-2006, 02:37 PM
Nice pitching, Harang. That is the difference between a guy link Aaron, and a guy like Claussen. Harang figures a way out of it, Claussen melts down.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:38 PM
Guillen isnt going to like that inning, I wonder if hes going to rip Podsednik and Iguchi for not getting a run in.

:ughmamoru

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:39 PM
Hitting against Garland should be so easy a caveman could do it

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/wazoo75/geico_cavemen2.jpg

But not our Reds. ;)

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:40 PM
Harang: 90 pitches
Garland: 60 pitches.

:help:

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:41 PM
Tigers lead the Cubs 6-0 in the first inning as they look to sweep the Cubs. Prior started that game, btw.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:42 PM
Tigers lead the Cubs 6-0 in the first inning as they look to sweep the Cubs. Prior started that game, btw.


Poor cubs.



Wait a minute.... :evil:

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:44 PM
Reds = watch strikes.
White Sox = protect the plate.

:explode:

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:47 PM
Harang has thrown six straight balls to start the inning.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:47 PM
Aaron having trouble throwing strikes, in the 6th inning...yet again.

Strange. It wasn't this way until recently

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:50 PM
Mercker warming in the bullpen

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:51 PM
It's not good, and shows Aaron is probably tiring.

But your offense cannot keep putting this kind of pressure on their pitchers.

You can't hold a team like the Sox scoreless forever






single

1-0 Sox


see.... I told ya. ;)

redsrule2500
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Reds offense is terrible, I don't blame the pitching at all.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
White Sox show the Reds how to score runs without having to hit a homerun.
Maybe Narron will take some notes?

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Cintron(.698 OPS) lines a RBI single to left, 1-0 Sox.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Terrific play by Jason LaRue.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Wow!

Unassisted DP by LaRue

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Nice play!

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:54 PM
How many other catchers would push a batter out of the way to make a play?

:clap:

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:54 PM
6th inning stretch at the ballpark.

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 02:54 PM
How did larue get an unassisted dp?

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:55 PM
Cintron(.698 OPS) lines a RBI single to left, 1-0 Sox.


Has a .280 BA (32 hits)

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:56 PM
6th inning stretch at the ballpark.

I guess they'll try anything to snap the losing streak :D

TeamBoone
06-18-2006, 02:56 PM
Jason made that play while worming his way around the batter. Gread D, Jason!

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:56 PM
How did larue get an unassisted dp?

caught the pop up on the bunt, and the runner at 3rd was coming home - LaRue tagged him.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:56 PM
How did larue get an unassisted dp?

Didn't get any help from another fielder :D

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 02:57 PM
Thanks GAC. Sounds like a smart play.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 02:57 PM
Cy Garland is making this look easy.

:bang:


Maybe it's the Reds offense making a struggling pitcher look like Cy.

:bang:

So frustrating.

TeamBoone
06-18-2006, 02:57 PM
How did larue get an unassisted dp?

Batter poppped up the suicide attempt; Jason caught and applied the tag to the runner about 6 feet in front of home plate.

GAC
06-18-2006, 02:58 PM
More 1st pitch swinging


Dunn GO to SS (for the 2nd time) to end the inning.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 02:58 PM
hack, hack, hacking away.

TeamBoone
06-18-2006, 02:58 PM
Thanks GAC. Sounds like a smart play.

And it wasn't an easy one because the bunt wasn't popped up that far, plus the batter was in his way.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 02:59 PM
More great patience from Griffey and Dunn. Dunn hasn't walked in a week.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:00 PM
More great patience from Griffey and Dunn. Dunn hasn't walked in a week.

Just to the dugout.



The boys must have plans or something this afternoon.....

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 03:00 PM
I would imagine that might be a ESPn webgem canidate.

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:00 PM
Mackowiak leads off with a single off the LF wall. Played well by Dunn

Kc61
06-18-2006, 03:00 PM
Harang seems out of gas. Hope he is ok because he has been fading early recently.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:00 PM
Reds = Homerun or nothing.

:thumbdown

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:01 PM
Lopez was off the bag....

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 03:01 PM
Another dumb play by the Reds. They may not have the most talent, but by golly they are the dumbest!

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:02 PM
Garland lays down another good bunt, Aaron bobbles it and tries to get the runner going to 2B.

Lopez was not in a good position for that throw, and could have still gotten Garland at 1B.

Stupid mental errors on this team amaze me.

Kc61
06-18-2006, 03:02 PM
Another dumb play by the Reds. They may not have the most talent, but by golly they are the dumbest!

Harang is a very good pitcher but he makes a lot of defensive mistakes. Like that play.

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:03 PM
Sox aren't afraid of the sacrifice. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:03 PM
Harang is a very good pitcher but he makes a lot of defensive mistakes. Like that play.


The throw was in time....Lopez's foot wasn't on the bag.

That's just carelessness.

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:04 PM
single

2-0 Sox

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:05 PM
another sacrifice (Thome)

3-0 Sox

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:05 PM
This is sad.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 03:05 PM
http://www.madlantern.com/clipart/clips/construction/broom.gif

:(

Marc D
06-18-2006, 03:05 PM
for a team who loves its scrappy vets and has an ex-catcher for a manager we are the most fundamentally unsound bunch out there

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:06 PM
This is sad.

Its the Cincinnati Reds, what else are we supposed to expect?

:help:

Kc61
06-18-2006, 03:06 PM
The throw was in time....Lopez's foot wasn't on the bag.

That's just carelessness.

Thought guy beat the throw. Doesn't much matter now, game seems out of hand. Entire homestand seems out of hand.

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:07 PM
I can't understand why I'm having a hard time staying awake? ;)

Joseph
06-18-2006, 03:07 PM
We're sinking faster than...well I don't know what, with the schedule this week, do we fall to third in the division?

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:07 PM
It's amazing how fundamentally poor the Reds are.

All I ever hear from management is "fundamentals," "playing the game right", etc.

Somebody's not doing their job, because I've been hearing it for years and it never gets better.




Now Mercker is coming in to face a lefty, when his numbers show he's better against righties. This is the perfect situation for Shackelford, but he's not here.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:09 PM
The Reds are about to be 16-18 at home... how many other "good" teams have a losing record at home?

Marc D
06-18-2006, 03:10 PM
It's amazing how fundamentally poor the Reds are.

All I ever hear from management is "fundamentals," "playing the game right", etc.

Somebody's not doing their job, because I've been hearing it for years and it never gets better.




Now Mercker is coming in to face a lefty, when his numbers show he's better against righties.

Either the teachers can't teach or the students won't listen.

New principal needs to change em all out to make sure he gets it right.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:11 PM
I hear Pierzynski's a tool.

westofyou
06-18-2006, 03:13 PM
It's amazing how fundamentally poor the Reds are.

All I ever hear from management is "fundamentals," "playing the game right", etc.

Somebody's not doing their job, because I've been hearing it for years and it never gets better.Most of this stuff is taken care of at a ML level, Marge cut the Reds throats down there years ago, the blood is just seeping through all the floorboards now.

Infrastructure is the hallmark of a good organization, not just winning at the big league level, Marge never understood that and Lindner didn't give a crap.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:14 PM
I hear Pierzynski's a tool.

I heard A.J. said playing the Reds are like playing a little league team.

;)

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:16 PM
We are making Uribe look like an MVP candidate this series.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:18 PM
Does it have enough? No George, its 30 ft in front of the flipping track you tool.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:18 PM
I heard A.J. said playing the Reds are like playing a little league team.
Is that statement incorrect?

GAC
06-18-2006, 03:19 PM
We're 2 fer 21 vs Garland, who has thrown only 86 pitches.

Simply ridiculous!

Edskin
06-18-2006, 03:19 PM
How frustrating is this.... we follow up our best road trip in years with a 2-8 homestand. Ugh :(

Worst part is, we're still leading the wild card race which means these losses sting all the more.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:20 PM
Nice pickup Krivs... NICE.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:25 PM
Mackowiak: 4 for 4...

Kc61
06-18-2006, 03:26 PM
It's a good thing BA doesn't matter because the Reds' BA is sinking. As a team it is now 10th in the NL and they have about three regulars over .280.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:26 PM
:censored: :rant: :rant2: :bang: :owned:

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:26 PM
Reds just got owned by Garland.

:ughmamoru

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:27 PM
:thumbdown :all_cohol :censored: :owned: :lastyear:

KittyDuran
06-18-2006, 03:27 PM
It's a good thing BA doesn't matter because the Reds' BA is sinking. As a team it is now 10th in the NL and they have about three regulars over .280.:laugh:

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 03:27 PM
What happened? Which pickup messed up?

SteelSD
06-18-2006, 03:27 PM
Yeah. Esteban Yan sure gives the Reds a "different look". Like a look at an AL pitcher socking a HR.

This bullpen is beyond awful.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:29 PM
Power of tradition... We start off good then fall flat on our faces.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:30 PM
My brother and dad went to the game today (without inviting me, "grr"). At least I can have solice in knowing they most likely are loathing what they are seeing. I can just change the channel.

Wheelhouse
06-18-2006, 03:30 PM
Pinella is on his way...the Reds need a manager who can dominate this clubhouse culture, which clearly, as it is, can't put together anything resembling consistency.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:30 PM
Is there something McCracken has done to be the goto pinch hitter?

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:31 PM
The bullpen has given up 23 runs in 10 games.

:explode: :explode: :explode: :explode: :explode: :explode:

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:32 PM
Is there something McCracken has done to be the goto pinch hitter?

Hes a veteran.

:dunno:

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:32 PM
I hate what this team puts me through year in and year out. Excitement and hope. Then they turn around and play something more closely resembling my sons friggin tball team.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:32 PM
The bullpen has given up 23 runs in 10 games.

:explode: :explode: :explode: :explode: :explode: :explode:


Reds: sit, watch and hope it fixes it self.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:33 PM
Pinella is on his way...the Reds need a manager who can dominate this clubhouse culture, which clearly, as it is, can't put together anything resembling consistency.

I hope so, but he may want to stay far far away from this mess right now. Krivsky has a lot of mess to clean up.

Candy Cummings
06-18-2006, 03:33 PM
I'm not sure how much Piniella could do. Can he make Mercker, Hammond, White, etc, not stink?

KittyDuran
06-18-2006, 03:34 PM
Is there something McCracken has done to be the goto pinch hitter?Pictures of someone in a compromising situation? ;)

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:36 PM
I'm not sure how much Piniella could do. Can he make Mercker, Hammond, White, etc, not stink?

Maybe he would give them the boot?

:pray:

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:38 PM
Boy I'm sure glad Mike Burns came back!

:bowrofl:

MrCinatit
06-18-2006, 03:38 PM
incredible. simply remarkable.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:38 PM
who didnt see that coming?

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:39 PM
The Reds just got owned again by the White Sox.

:owned:

Ltlabner
06-18-2006, 03:39 PM
Mike Burns comes back with a bang and really makes a "statement".

This homestand is making me physically ill.

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 03:39 PM
What did Burns do?

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:39 PM
Marty questioning why that Samon (sp) kid down in AAA isn't getting a look.

I think we've all wondered it.

SteelSD
06-18-2006, 03:39 PM
LOL! Burns gives up a three-run shot to Dye.

It appears that Krivsky's plan is "Throw enough poop at a wall to see if some sticks."

Problem is that even if it sticks, it's still just poo.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:40 PM
What did Burns do?


Guess.


It's 8-0 now.

:mooner:

KittyDuran
06-18-2006, 03:40 PM
What did Burns do?Give up a 3-run homer...

pedro
06-18-2006, 03:40 PM
I have never seen such poor relief pitching in my life. Makes me long for the days of Danny Graves.

MrCinatit
06-18-2006, 03:41 PM
Frankly, this is the difference between a ballclub which knows how to win, as compared with a ballclub consisted off too many guys content with losing.
Simply, the Sox know how to play the game, and play it right.
I would say that the Reds are still learning - but because we seem to make the same mistakes game after game, I do not think we are learning.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:41 PM
Boy I'm sure glad Mike Burns came back!

:bowrofl:

Playing musical chairs with the same few guys instead of giving some other guys a chance.

:bang:

KittyDuran
06-18-2006, 03:41 PM
I have never seen such poor relief pitching in my life. Makes me long for the days of Danny Graves.If this was chat... I'd slap you with a trout...;)

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:42 PM
Marty questioning why that Samon (sp) kid down in AAA isn't getting a look.

I think we've all wondered it.

Salman (AAA), Shafer (AA) would probably be up for any other team that had a struggeling bullpen. The Reds on the other hand keep moving the same people around.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 03:42 PM
From the top all the way down....get rid of everyone associated with this team. The losing is absolutely ingrained in them.

For me I keep EE, Phillips and the Lizard. Everyone else becomes close to ML ready prospects.

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:43 PM
Frankly, this is the difference between a ballclub which knows how to win, as compared with a ballclub consisted off too many guys content with losing.
Simply, the Sox know how to play the game, and play it right.
I would say that the Reds are still learning - but because we seem to make the same mistakes game after game, I do not think we are learning.

The Sox can play small ball and long ball.
The Reds did that at the start of the season, but now just play long ball or nothing at all.

remdog
06-18-2006, 03:44 PM
Eight pitches, 4 hits, 3 runs. That's a pretty incredible feat he said, shaking his head. I hope Burns didn't unpack last night 'cause I'd simply give him his release after the game and send him on his way. I wouldn't even send him back to L'ville---it's pretty apparent that he simply can't pitch in The Bigs.

Rem

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:44 PM
Salman (AAA), Shafer (AA) would probably be up for any other team that had a struggeling bullpen. The Reds on the other hand keep moving the same people around.

Throw Steve Kelly in there. Why not?

It truely cannot get worse.

Ltlabner
06-18-2006, 03:44 PM
I've had a lot of faith in The Kriv until this point, but I gotta ask, who ok'd bringing Burns up again. He's sucked twice before why in the world did anybody think he'd be any different this time around?

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:45 PM
Throw Steve Kelly in there. Why not?

It truely cannot get worse.

Picking fans out of the stands to pitch couldnt be any worse.

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:45 PM
Picking fans out of the stands to pitch couldnt be any worse.


:wave:

I'll try! I've always wanted to be a pitcher

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:47 PM
Statistically, this is the worst homestand winning % of at least 10 games since 1950.


:yikes:

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:47 PM
Down 8-0 the Reds finally break out the bats...

Ltlabner
06-18-2006, 03:48 PM
Is it me, or have they gotten into a "habbit" of sorts of being cold the entire game and then suddenly trying to rally in the 9th?

Matt700wlw
06-18-2006, 03:50 PM
Dunn now leads the team in RBIs

CTA513
06-18-2006, 03:51 PM
The Tigers have hit 6 homeruns off Cubs pitching today and its only the 5th inning.

:)

Kc61
06-18-2006, 03:52 PM
Is it me, or have they gotten into a "habbit" of sorts of being cold the entire game and then suddenly trying to rally in the 9th?

These hitters seem to be pressing and only come alive when the pressure is off. With all the discussion about the awful pen, I hope somebody is watching the recent offensive performance of these guys.

smith288
06-18-2006, 03:57 PM
Down 8-0 the Reds finally break out the bats...
What better time?

KronoRed
06-18-2006, 03:57 PM
So that Mike Burns....great huh? ;)

KronoRed
06-18-2006, 03:57 PM
Dunn with the rbi on an out...

Clutch :D

Falls City Beer
06-18-2006, 03:58 PM
From the top all the way down....get rid of everyone associated with this team. The losing is absolutely ingrained in them.

For me I keep EE, Phillips and the Lizard. Everyone else becomes close to ML ready prospects.

While I agree that the team is soaked in stink, I don't think I'd get rid of everyone. In fact, I'd be much more inclined to sell fool's gold (Lizard/Phillips) to acquire a talent that could turn into another Adam Dunn.

But I agree that EE needs to stay.

Falls City Beer
06-18-2006, 03:59 PM
These hitters seem to be pressing and only come alive when the pressure is off. With all the discussion about the awful pen, I hope somebody is watching the recent offensive performance of these guys.

The offense scored eleven runs on Friday and Saturday while the pitching surrendered, like, a trillion.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 04:00 PM
These hitters seem to be pressing and only come alive when the pressure is off. With all the discussion about the awful pen, I hope somebody is watching the recent offensive performance of these guys.


Agree 100%. The lack of plate discipline and patience from just the beginning of the year is remarkable. When those things go so does the offense and it seems we can notice but they can't. Really makes you wonder whats going on in that clubhouse.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 04:02 PM
While I agree that the team is soaked in stink, I don't think I'd get rid of everyone. In fact, I'd be much more inclined to sell fool's gold (Lizard/Phillips) to acquire a talent that could turn into another Adam Dunn.

But I agree that EE needs to stay.

I'd trade either one for the right offer, just thinking of the 3 youngest that have shown something this year and hopefully haven't gotten used to the losing.

pedro
06-18-2006, 04:05 PM
Frankly, this is the difference between a ballclub which knows how to win, as compared with a ballclub consisted off too many guys content with losing.
Simply, the Sox know how to play the game, and play it right.
I would say that the Reds are still learning - but because we seem to make the same mistakes game after game, I do not think we are learning.

Knowing "how to win" ain't gonna fix the relief pitching.

SteelSD
06-18-2006, 04:07 PM
These hitters seem to be pressing and only come alive when the pressure is off. With all the discussion about the awful pen, I hope somebody is watching the recent offensive performance of these guys.

They've scored 5.93 Runs per game in June.

Baseball is a game of streaks. Sometimes you score lots. Sometimes the opposition doesn't allow you to score lots.

Even during a nine-game streak in which they've won only once, the Reds have scored 4 or more Runs five times. That'd be enough to weather the down times if the Reds pitching wouldn't allow the opposition 6.56 Runs per Game when it happens.

Pitching is the issue. As usual.

westofyou
06-18-2006, 04:08 PM
Lot's of Red Herrings swimming around here, only one fish really stinks enough to make me retch and thats' the Bullpen.

WVRedsFan
06-18-2006, 04:09 PM
BULLPEN TODAY:

2.1 innings
6 hits
5 earned runs
0 walks
0 strikeouts
25.74 ERA

BULLPEN 2006

173 innings
214 hits
103 earned runs
71 walks
134 strikeouts
5.71 ERA

Pitiful. Retreads and has-beens and weak armed youth. Surely, Cast and Krivsky are not pleased...

Outshined_One
06-18-2006, 04:23 PM
The Tigers have hit 6 homeruns off Cubs pitching today and its only the 5th inning.

:)

7 HRs in the top of the 8th with no outs...

...make that 8.

Jeremy Piven also said one of the seven words you're not supposed to say on TV during his rendition of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". That was fun.

membengal
06-18-2006, 06:08 PM
It's the bullpen, plain and simple.

Never thought I would see the day anytime soon that the starting pitching would be trying to valiantly carry the team, but we are seeing it now.

Marc D
06-18-2006, 06:59 PM
It's the bullpen, plain and simple.

Never thought I would see the day anytime soon that the starting pitching would be trying to valiantly carry the team, but we are seeing it now.

Its the combination of defense and no pen, imo. However if we had this starting rotation with the nasty boys v2.0 my guess is we'd be ok.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2006, 08:48 PM
According to a post on Reds Live, the Reds lost this game because only half of the Reds players stood on the field during the National Anthem. Damn, I thought it was the bullpen.