6-21 Reds at Mets Thread

[CincyReds2003]

First time making a lineup thread. C'mon Mays!

Reds:
Freel-3B
Lopez-SS
Griffey-CF
Kearns-RF
Dunn-LF
Hatteberg-1B
Phillips-2B
LaRue-C
Mays-P

Mets:
Reyes-SS
LoDuca-C
Beltran-CF
Delgado-1B
Wright-3B
Valentin-2B
Nady-RF
Chavez-LF
Soler-P

[RedLegSuperStar]

Reds prediction time:

Mays has a quality start
Junior Griffey and Jason LaRue go deep
Reds win 7-3

[CincyReds2003]

Freel singles to third, advances to second on Wright's throwing error.

[CincyReds2003]

Freel advances to third, on a sacrifice to first by Lopez.

[CincyReds2003]

Freel scores on Griffey's sacrifice to right. Reds 1-0, 2 outs.

[CincyReds2003]

Austin Kearns strikes out swinging..1-0 Reds, middle of the 1st.

[CincyReds2003]

That didn't take long..Reyes homers to deep right. 1-1.

[CincyReds2003]

Paul Lo Duca grounded out to third. 1 out.

[saboforthird]

Mays sort of looks like Woody on "Cheers".

[CincyReds2003]

Carlos Beltran grounds out to Mays. 2 outs.

[CincyReds2003]

Delgado Walks.

[howyoufreelin]

Anyone else see that fastball on a 2-2 count to Delgado show up 97 on the FSN radar?

[CincyReds2003]

David Wright grounds out to third to end the inning. 1-1.

[CincyReds2003]

Dunn grounds out to first. 1 out.

[CincyReds2003]

Moneyball(Hatteberg) singles to right.

[saboforthird]

I sure hope the starting pitching doesn't get infected by whatever the bullpen has. I mean, Jeez, the Reds are stinking contenders. :evil:

[flynn78]

Griffey two-run double Reds 3-1

[flynn78]

Good glove work by Wright to rob Austin of extra bases

[flynn78]

Tonight is exactly why I hate two game threads. I am in here talking to myself.

[Boston Red]

Anybody notice that stat on Dunn? 9 for 60 with runners in scoring position. OK, that's been discussed to death. What I found interesting is that of those 9 hits, 7 have been HRs.

So, assuming the other two hits are singles (worst case scenario), Dunn is batting .150 with RISP and slugging .500!!! That's absurd.

[Handofdeath]

That's why I get so annoyed with people talking about Dunn and his OPS.

[Nugget]

OK question: Mays is taking Claussen's place in the rotation - who takes over long relief?

[flynn78]

Anybody notice that stat on Dunn? 9 for 60 with runners in scoring position. OK, that's been discussed to death. What I found interesting is that of those 9 hits, 7 have been HRs.

So, assuming the other two hits are singles (worst case scenario), Dunn is batting .150 with RISP and slugging .500!!! That's absurd.

I have always found all of Dunn's stats weird. They just don't fit together.

[Boston Red]

BTW, Mays looks like he's about to show us why the worst team in the history of MLB didn't even want him.

[nineworldseries]

OK question: Mays is taking Claussen's place in the rotation - who takes over long relief?

:confused:

[Handofdeath]

I have always found all of Dunn's stats weird. They just don't fit together.

Bingo. He's a perfect example of stats not telling the whole story. He can hit the ball a mile though...

[gilpdawg]

Mays has had some success in the bigs, and he's just a year removed from TJ surgery. There's a chance, probably not a huge chance, but a chance nonetheless, that he may wind up being a decent pickup.

[saboforthird]

Who is Mays filling in for? My memory escapes me. :rolleyes:

[Nugget]

:confused:

I understood that when Mays was brought up he was replacing Beslisle in the long relief role, but since Claussen is injured and Mays starting who would take over the long relief role. Maybe this is the wrong thread to ask it.

[nineworldseries]

I understood that when Mays was brought up he was replacing Beslisle in the long relief role, but since Claussen is injured and Mays starting who would take over the long relief role. Maybe this is the wrong thread to ask it.

Oh, sorry, that smilie just meant that I have no freakin' clue who will take over long relief... nobody in our stellar pen comes to mind! :evil:

[saboforthird]

Bingo. He's a perfect example of stats not telling the whole story. He can hit the ball a mile though...

I heard D.K. (ssshhhh) could, too. ;)

[redsfan4445]

I think LaRue is only playing to be showcased.. why else would you sit Ross 2 nights in a row???

[flynn78]

I heard D.K. (ssshhhh) could, too. ;)

How dare you mention DK when talking about AD? Insert sarcasm here

[saboforthird]

That strikeout was no biggie for Larue. Really, it wasn't.

[flynn78]

Basehit for Mays

[Nugget]

For those of you who can actually see the game, is DW in the pen. There is another thread which seemed to indicate he was injured.

It would seem that when we go with our spot starter we tend to get into close ones so the pen will probably need to keep a lead.

[saboforthird]

Why can't this team stay lukewarm on the road, and save the hot bats for GABP? Seems like Narron is the X factor. Just randomizing. :D

[flynn78]

For those of you who can actually see the game, is DW in the pen. There is another thread which seemed to indicate he was injured.

It would seem that when we go with our spot starter we tend to get into close ones so the pen will probably need to keep a lead.

They haven't shown the bully on the telecast that I have seen. I'll keep my eyes open though.:eek:

[flynn78]

Jose Valentin robs FeLo of a hit. 3-1 Reds after 3 1/2

[saboforthird]

It's hard to see much at all in the game when the Grande Twins are announcing. They like to show (repeatedly) defensive gems by the opposition, and occasionally we get a mug shot of a hot chick.

[flynn78]

It's hard to see much at all in the game when the Grande Twins are announcing. They like to show (repeatedly) defensive gems by the opposition, and occasionally we get a mug shot of a hot chick.

I will give it to FSN, they have some cameramen that are hornballs. No talent left unturned.

[flynn78]

Mays in trouble again in the 4th. Two on none out.

[flynn78]

Mays strikes out Nady looking, 1 down.

[nineworldseries]

Out of trouble in the 4th! :D

[saboforthird]

Mays does a great job getting out of trouble, 3-1 Reds.

[flynn78]

Mays has been Houdini-like tonight. I never trust a pitcher that is always in trouble.

[saboforthird]

I guess FSN doesn't know how to score strikeouts. Kearns reaches first on a strikeout, FSN records it as the second out. They fixed it quickly, though. Flynn78 must have called in.

[saboforthird]

Moving the runner over means nothing to Dunn. Pops it up. It's either nothing, up or out for that man.

Hatteberg, on the other hand, drives Kearns all the way in. :D

[nineworldseries]

The Hat doubles in Kearns from 1st !!!

[flynn78]

I guess FSN doesn't know how to score strikeouts. Kearns reaches first on a strikeout, FSN records it as the second out. They fixed it quickly, though. Flynn78 must have called in.

Am I that bad? I don't ever be one of those guys watching a golf tournament and calling in a rules violation. Or do I?;)

[flynn78]

Am I the only one that rembers a Jason LaRue that I revered and loved as a handler of pitchers and all-around scrappy ballplayer?

[saboforthird]

Reyes has Mays' number tonight. For a little guy, he can SMOKE that ball. Standing up with a triple to right. :eek:

[saboforthird]

Am I that bad? I don't ever be one of those guys watching a golf tournament and calling in a rules violation. Or do I?;)

:help: :laugh:

[flynn78]

Kearns did not have his best defensive effort on Reyes' flyball and he just scored on a Mays WP. 4-2 Reds

[saboforthird]

I think we can all agree (including Larue) that it's time for him to move on. He simply doesn't seem to like taking the back seat, but can't seem to make the most of the opportunities he does get. Perform or sit. Or be traded.

[flynn78]

Mays starting to get in trouble again.
Old National League proverb: Beware of pitcher let go by worst team in AL

[Handofdeath]

Moving the runner over means nothing to Dunn. Pops it up. It's either nothing, up or out for that man.

Hatteberg, on the other hand, drives Kearns all the way in. :D


Since May 1 Dunn is hitting .202 with an OBP of .326. On base machine? I think not.

[saboforthird]

It would help if the infield would communicate. BP threw a laserbeam to the catcher side of the diamond. That's about as close as it got. :laugh:

[flynn78]

I think we can all agree (including Larue) that it's time for him to move on. He simply doesn't seem to like taking the back seat, but can't seem to make the most of the opportunities he does get. Perform or sit. Or be traded.

I wish we could get something out of him. I would love to let him get that much needed change of scenery. In fact, I would love to still be a LaRue fan when he goes elsewhere. It is just time.

[Handofdeath]

Mays starting to get in trouble again.
Old National League proverb: Beware of pitcher let go by worst team in AL
1 earned run in 4 and 2/3 innings not too bad against this team.

[saboforthird]

Here's where, if you are Mays, you HAVE to go after the pitcher. No nibbling.

[flynn78]

1 earned run in 4 and 2/3 innings not too bad against this team.

I agree, but always in trouble eventually gets burned big.

[flynn78]

Mays got out of trouble again. He kind of reminds me of Steve Parris in 99'. That man had more luck than any man should ever have that season.

[Redhook]

I can't believe Mays got out of that inning. He's walking a tight rope out there. Narron is in a no-win sitution. Leave Mays out there to get pummeled or bring in the imposing bullpen :barf: .

[Boston Red]

I agree, but always in trouble eventually gets burned big.


Look on the bright side: Mays is about to turn it over to that stellar bullpen.

:laugh: :bang:

[nick311reds]

Good association he does remind me of Steve Parris on that jack Mckeon club

[saboforthird]

This IS Mays' first look around the NL, right? If so, that's got to explain part of his success tonight. After a couple of starts, we'll know for certain whether he's another smart move by Krivsky.

[saboforthird]

Lopez is hitting into some bad luck.

[saboforthird]

Mays gives me a positive feeling. I wouldn't feel this way if he were pitching against a cellar-dweller.

[saboforthird]

Alright, everyone, cross your fingers. :evil:

[saboforthird]

This team needs an adjustment in attitude. When the defense has shifted to the right on you, you hit the ball to the left.

[Dunner44]

Wow, they made the defensive switch with three innings to go. Jerry must be getting nervous about the D's ability to hold leads.

[flynn78]

How many balls into the shift will Griffey and Dunn hit this year?

[redhawkfish]

Wow, they made the defensive switch with three innings to go. Jerry must be getting nervous about the D's ability to hold leads.

I think he knows the bullpen is going to give up rockets and he wants his best defensive players in there to make tough play after tough play!

[flynn78]

Beltran takes one of the wall off Hammond, followed by Delgado putting a ball to the warning track. Not the start I wanted.

[Redhook]

Hammond throwing softballs up there. The ball looks as big as the moon when he pitches.

[flynn78]

Chris Hammond has done it again. 5-4 Mets

[Redhook]

bye bye victory for Mays. Thanks for coming out. 2-run homer.

[EKURed]

I can't do this....not anymore....this is agonizing...

[flynn78]

Please someone stop our bullpen before it kills me and Jerry Narron.

[EKURed]

Once again the bullpen snatches defeat from the jaws of victory...

I was looking at the wild card standings and scoreboard watching thinking maybe it would turn around....NOPE....not with this bullpen...they are done before it becomes time to be a "buyer"

[flynn78]

All balls except for a dinker to left were hit to the warning track or beyond that inning.

[redsfan4445]

This bullpen will give me all grey hair and it is got to be frustrating to our offense... no matter what they do, the darn bullpen screws the game up.. its sickening

[RedLegSuperStar]

Everyone one of those hits was hit to middle to deep outfield... if this is our bullpen we maybe screwed!

[redsfan4445]

This team will not be in the playoffs and it will be because our bullpen is the worse bullpen in baseball!!!

[RedLegSuperStar]

This bullpen will give me all grey hair and it is got to be frustrating to our offense... no matter what they do, the darn bullpen screws the game up.. its sickening

If I could grow hair it would be grey by now!

[Redhook]

Everyone one of those hits was hit to middle to deep outfield... if this is our bullpen we maybe screwed!

Maybe??

Definitely!!

[flynn78]

I have no idea what it has to be like for Jerry Narron to look down into the bullpen and not want to use ANYONE in there. It is pain personified.

[Redhook]

We need to do what the Marlins are doing with their youngsters. Play 'em! Take out everyone in our bullpen over 30 and replace them with our AA and AAA pitchers. There's no way they'll be worse, and it'll get them major league experience for the future. An overhaul is needed immediately.

[redsfan4445]

if this was at GABP, all those flyballs are homers off Hammmond!!!

[flynn78]

BP strikes out swinging

[flynn78]

Javy to PH for LaRue. Flies deep to CF. LaRue has to be plain livid about that.

[redsfan4445]

Bet Narron wishes he didnt pull Dunn yet!!!

[EKURed]

Bet Narron wishes he didnt pull Dunn yet!!!

Exactly, with this bullpen, how can you pull your leading home run hitter?

Maybe they will all go on the DL with whiplash....

[flynn78]

Basehit Castro hopefully he leads a revolution. I know, bad choice.

[TeamBoone]

I'm fine with defensive replacements late in the game, but he jumped the gun tonight. To me, late in the game is the 8th and 9th innings. But that's just me.

[Redhook]

What a pathetic loss this is going to be. I'm getting used to it though. Instead of wanting to break stuff I actually laughed when Hammond was pitching batting practice last inning. Final score prediction: Mets:7 Reds:4

[redsfan4445]

Which means with Dunn out, Griffey has no protection, so they will pitch around him to get toi the pitchers spot after Jr.!!! not smart baseball from Mr. Baseball Guy!!!!

[saboforthird]

Bullpen stinks it up again. :bang:

I really think that Narron is on thin ice here. Will Narron take the blame? I know there's not a lot of talent in the bullpen, but the collective collapse is puzzling.

[flynn78]

Castro to 2nd on WP

[redhawkfish]

Basehit Castro hopefully he leads a revolution. I know, bad choice.

After another bullpen implosion, any comedy relief is welcome!

[redsfan4445]

I'm fine with defensive replacements late in the game, but he jumped the gun tonight. To me, late in the game is the 8th and 9th innings. But that's just me.

I 100% agree!!!

[Redhook]

Freel just swung at a ball that would have hit him in the chest.

[flynn78]

Freel K's swinging. To the 9th we go. 5-4 Mets

[saboforthird]

I have no idea what it has to be like for Jerry Narron to look down into the bullpen and not want to use ANYONE in there. It is pain personified.

Are you TRYING to drive us into insanity here?

[Redhook]

Freel k's swinging....

What's the over/under on the amount of runs the Mets will score in the 8th? I'll put it at 2 and I'll take the over for $5 :p:

[flynn78]

Are you TRYING to drive us into insanity here?

Already there Sabes. Already there.

[saboforthird]

Javy to PH for LaRue. Flies deep to CF. LaRue has to be plain livid about that.

I honestly think Larue has adjusted his thinking toward the "future". His future plans clearly don't involve the Reds long-term. I mean, when you're an employee and you put in your two-weeks notice it is HARD to stay on the same page as your fellow workers. I find it impossible.

[redsfan4445]

Nice play Hatte!!!!!!!!!!!11 hope Jason shows the other guys in the pen the right way to pitch.. hold the other team to ZERO runs!!

[flynn78]

Old man Franco to the plate against Standsridge.

[saboforthird]

Freel just swung at a ball that would have hit him in the chest.

Anyone else notice that whenever Freel misses on a swing he either looks like he's doing Yoga, or he goes backward about five feet as he tries to keep up with his feet? :laugh:

[redsfan4445]

WOW 97 on the gun!!!

[flynn78]

Billy Wagner warming in the Mets bullpen.

[GOREDSGO32]

This bullpen is a joke. I don't care if we gotta call people up from freaking Dayton .. hell even Billings .. I'm sick of this crap. PLEASE give Weathers, Mercker, Hammond, Burns, and the poop crew the pink slip.

[flynn78]

Disturbing olay soccer chant has infested Shea. Reyes hits for the cycle.

[saboforthird]

Man, Stanridge is a BIG BOY up there.

Reyes just hit for the cycle. :eek:

[Redhook]

Disturbing olay soccer chant has infested Shea. Reyes hits for the cycle.

What, you're not singing along at your house? I am. ;)

[flynn78]

Hume out to try to calm things down. If you were the interim pitching/bullpen coach wouldn't you appear as little with these guys as possible. Around the 7th inning I would disappear.

[redsfan4445]

WHEW.. a LODP!!

[saboforthird]

Me likey Stanridge. Both he and Mays look like upgrades, if that says anything.

[flynn78]

We got out of trouble with a lineout to Hatte. Let's get Wagner. We have before.

[redsfan4445]

I would think Hume and Tunnel should worry about their jobs.. they havent fixed the bullpen problem at all!

[Redhook]

Anyone else hate this Taylor Hicks Ford commercial? I think I've heard it 15 times tonight.

[redsfan4445]

Hope Ross is hitting after Griffey as a pinchhitter!!

[redsfan4445]

Anyone else hate this Taylor Hicks Ford commercial? I think I've heard it 15 times tonight.

im sick of hearing it too.. even hear it on WLW at work!!

[flynn78]

Me likey Stanridge. Both he and Mays look like upgrades, if that says anything.

I know kids in Little League that would be an upgrade for this bullpen.:(

[flynn78]

Felipe strikes out swinging.

[flynn78]

JR grounds to first. It is up to Austin to keep it alive.

[saboforthird]

Damn, it seems the Mets are laughing at the Reds. Anyone else see that? I lived in the New England area at one time, that's all I'l say about that experience. :rolleyes:

[redsfan4445]

I dont know why i was thinking Dunn was after Jr in the original lineup.. my bad!

[Redhook]

Is anyone else watching in awe at what a real bullpen looks like?

[flynn78]

BB to Kearns. Ross to PH for Standsridge.

[redsfan4445]

Is anyone else watching in awe at what a real bullpen looks like?


More like HOPE the Reds FO is watching that!!

[nineworldseries]

What ?!? Ross is hitting with his .337 average instead of the great Quentin McCracken, the pinch-hitting specialist? Narron, wake up! :evil:

[saboforthird]

Come on, Ross! (crosses fingers).

[flynn78]

Ross swings at a fastball over his head 3-2.

[flynn78]

BB to Ross.

[Redhook]

ball 4 :jump:

[redsfan4445]

Yes a Walk!

[flynn78]

Richie "Nature Boy" Aurilia struts to the plate to PH

[redsfan4445]

Come on Rich.. make up for that DP last night!!!

[Redhook]

Mr. Scrappy Aurilia up to pinch hit. 2 on 2 out.

[saboforthird]

My heart is thumping. Aurilia to the plate, McCracken is running for Ross. Runners on first and second.

Aurilia hits an infield single.

[CySeymour]

Yes a Walk!

So scrappy

[redsfan4445]

infield hit bases loaded

[Gainesville Red]

0-9 against Wagner and coming off a bicept injury. What the hell, let's let him hit.

[Redhook]

A George Grande "nubber" gets Aurilia on base....bases loaded!

[flynn78]

Wright pick ball up in fair territory and RA gets an infield single out of it. Bases loaded for Phillips.

[Redhook]

99mph!!!

[Redhook]

100mph...good lord!

[LINEDRIVER]

didnt i hear that Javy pinch-hit for LaRue?? If so, who will go into the catcher position if we tie it up?

[redhawkfish]

That one was 100 mph!!

[Redhook]

2 run single by Phillips!!!!

[flynn78]

Base hit Brandon Phillips. 6-5 Reds

[redhawkfish]

Phillips yeeeessss!

[redsfan4445]

yesssssssssssssss BRANDONNNNNN 2 run single

[Redhook]

that pitch was 101 mph and he got a hit...that's amazing!

[redsfan4445]

brandon hit a 101mph single.. WOW

[flynn78]

didnt i hear that Javy pinch-hit for LaRue?? If so, who will go into the catcher position if we tie it up?

Javy

[saboforthird]

Wow. :eek: BP singles to drive in two runs, Reds lead 6-5. :beerme:

[Redhook]

We really need about 4 or 5 runs here.

[redsfan4445]

we need more runs.. the darn bullpen has to pitch yet

[flynn78]

Javy K's looking.

[redsfan4445]

well cross your fingers.. its far from over!!

[Moonlite Graham]

well we better win this thing in the bottom of the 9th cause weve about burned up the entire bench

[LINEDRIVER]

If the pen blows it again, I think Narron will tear the clubhouse to pieces. There's only so much a man can take!!!LOL

[flynn78]

3774

I'm BACK!

[redsfan4445]

that Coffey pitch didnt look 99!!!

[flynn78]

Come on Todd!

[flynn78]

Todd lets Beltran work a BB.

[redsfan4445]

aaaaarrrrrggggg a walk!!

[redsfan4445]

Delgado is dangerous...sigh

[redram]

Sure hope the BP does not blow the lead Twice in one game :bang:

[saboforthird]

If you're Coffey, "it's just me or a loss". Motivating, huh? ;)

[flynn78]

Todd is all over the place.

[saboforthird]

What do you do, if you're Narron? Ugh.

[redsfan4445]

Narron has that perplexed look on his face

[redram]

Todd is all over the place.


He has been like this since he took over the closers role. Let's hope he gets through this and get's his confidence back.

[flynn78]

Delgado flies to LF on the 3-2 pitch. Whewww

[redsfan4445]

yes flyout to left.. now dangerous Wright

[realreds1]

Could you imagine Tommy Lasorda's reaction to a bullpen like this one?

[flynn78]

He has been like this since he took over the closers role. Let's hope he gets through this and get's his confidence back.

You are correct. Putting too much pressure on himself. It is tough being the only man in that bullpen who has gained any trust.

[redsfan4445]

Could you imagine Tommy Lasorda's reaction to a bullpen like this one?

More like How about LOUUUUUUU Pinella?

[flynn78]

Could you imagine Tommy Lasorda's reaction to a bullpen like this one?

Acid indigestion?

[realreds1]

Acid indigestion?

Precisely.

[redsfan4445]

WHEWWWWWWWWWWWw yes DPPPPPPPPP

[flynn78]

6-4-3 This one belongs to the Reds!

[redram]

YEAAAAAAAAAA DP Coffey SAVES IT BABY

[redhawkfish]

Reds win!!

[FindlayRed]

Man I love Brandon Phillips intensity out there. He gets so excited and is fun to watch.

[saboforthird]

Lopez hesitated on that double play throw. I imagine he was afraid of a misplay at second. Still, Reds WIN!!!!!! :thumbup:

[redsfan4445]

Still hope BOB gets Krivsky on the phone and says. "go get us bullpen help, before my grey hair falls out!!" LOL

[GOREDSGO32]

Shocker, the bullpen actually keeps a lead. But then again it was Coffey, the only reliable reliever there.

[flynn78]

Good thread all. See you tomorrow.

[saboforthird]

Later, inmates.

[howyoufreelin]

Phillips is the man! He hit a 0-2 99 mph fastball to get the win there. Great win, probably best win of the season, but this bullpen is still atrocious.

[jimbo]

You just can't say enough about what Phillips, Arroyo, and Ross have brought to this team. The Reds would not be in second place and first in the wild card standings without them. You have to like the type of "player" that Krivsky is bringing in.