Gamethread Red vs Indians 6/24

[pedro]

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
K. Griffey dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
R. Aurilia 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .224
Hatteberg 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
D. Ross c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .326
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cleveland
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
G. Sizemore cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .298
R. Belliard 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
J. Peralta ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
T. Hafner dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
V. Martinez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
B. Broussard 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333
Hollandsworth rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .192
A. Boone 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
J. Inglett lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0

Arroyo Vs. Paul Byrd

[edabbs44]

Aurilia...my Lord.

[Tommyjohn25]

Welp, our fearless, scrappy, golden boy cleanup hitter is back again....oh well, we've got Bronson "MLB ERA leader" Arroyo on the hill, so it probably won't matter! :thumbup:

[reds44]

lol

that is all I can say.

[Candy Cummings]

Sounds like runs to me.

[Heath]

Disposible Camera = $5

Instant Photo Processeing - $10

Discreet Unknown Charge from "Monica" = $1500

Having the guts to blackmail your boss with pictures so you and your weak defense coupled with a .647 OPS against righthanders so you can hit CLEAN-UP - Priceless.

Life has choices. For the Reds its Rich Aurilia hitting cleanup. For everyone else, it's MasterCard.

:bang:


Other than the usual dumbness of RA 4th, I'd take it. Sorta.

[Heath]

Oh BTW - would not shock me to see Castro at 3rd, Aurilia at 1B, the Hat DH and Freel in LF to give Dunner a day off tomorrow.

Krono will find the smilie that tosses tomatoes.

[Marc D]

I really think Miley is trying to sandwich "contact" guys in between the sluggers and thats the overriding reason. No one on earth is really so stupid as to put RA cleanup for his thunderous bat(I hope).

[Cedric]

Please don't say that name again.

[Big Klu]

Oh BTW - would not shock me to see Castro at 3rd, Aurilia at 1B, the Hat DH and Freel in LF to give Dunner a day off tomorrow.

Krono will find the smilie that tosses tomatoes.

No, I think that Dunn will be the DH tomorrow. Using the designated hitter allows Narron to give Dunn a "day off" without giving him a day off. Aurilia will be at one corner INF spot, and the other spot will depend on whether Narron wants Hatteberg to play against the LHP Sowers. If so, then Hatte will be at 1B and Rich will be at 3B. If not, then Castro will be at 3B and Aurilia will be at 1B.

I think that Hatteberg will play against the LHP tomorrow. The question is whether Valentin will catch Ramirez tomorrow, even though the Reds are facing a lefty?

[Marc D]

Please don't say that name again.

Freudian slip.

Narron, Miley and Boone have all morphed into one guy to me.

[Big Klu]

OK folks. Aurilia is hitting fourth. I like Rich--he is one of my favorite "supporting cast members" on the team, and even I think that hitting him fourth is a bad idea. He would be better suited to the 7th (or 8th, in the AL park) spot in the order against RHP. But he is in the fourth spot, and we need to deal with it. This "blackmail" and "Rich has pictures" stuff is rapidly approaching "dead horse" territory.

[Kc61]

So many posts bashing Aurilia in the cleanup spot every day. I tend to agree that he should hit 6th or 7th.

But who is cleanup hitter here? .253 Griffey? .224 Dunn? Neither is exactly bashing the ball.

Ah, Kearns. He is more of a cleanup type. His slugging percentage is .487. But RA's slugging percentage is .497, ten points higher.

If some of these guys would hit more consistently, maybe RA wouldn't hit cleanup.

[pedro]

OK folks. Aurilia is hitting fourth. I like Rich--he is one of my favorite "supporting cast members" on the team, and even I think that hitting him fourth is a bad idea. He would be better suited to the 7th (or 8th, in the AL park) spot in the order against RHP. But he is in the fourth spot, and we need to deal with it. This "blackmail" and "Rich has pictures" stuff is rapidly approaching "dead horse" territory.


It's really even worse than the blackmail scenario. Narron actually seems to think it's a good idea.

[westofyou]

Ah, Kearns. He is more of a cleanup type. His slugging percentage is .487. But RA's slugging percentage is .497, ten points higher.What's Richie's vs RH's?

Not very good and not worth a #4 slot (especially since against EVERYONE the man can barely muster a .315 OB%) That's an out machine in the 4 slot all because he makes contact, of course now and then they're hits and not outs, but an out's an out and Rich makes plenty of them in the #4 slot.


If some of these guys would hit more consistently, maybe RA wouldn't hit cleanup.

Aurilia and Jr. have about 3 walks between them since 6-6, in about 100 at bats, 75% of Aurilias RBI's have come in two games this month.

I'd say he's a poor choice for cleanup and worthy of the bashing.

[pedro]

So many posts bashing Aurilia in the cleanup spot every day. I tend to agree that he should hit 6th or 7th.

But who is cleanup hitter here? .253 Griffey? .224 Dunn? Neither is exactly bashing the ball.

Ah, Kearns. He is more of a cleanup type. His slugging percentage is .487. But RA's slugging percentage is .497, ten points higher.

If some of these guys would hit more consistently, maybe RA wouldn't hit cleanup.

FTR, I have no problem with RA hitting cleanup against LHP.

[kaldaniels]

Will out of staters get this broadcast on MLB extra innings if our local aff isn't picking it up???

[pedro]

Will out of staters get this broadcast on MLB extra innings if our local aff isn't picking it up???

maybe on the computer, but not on TV.

[reds44]

Thank God wkki.net is working for me. I am stuck watching the White Sox.

[kaldaniels]

maybe on the computer, but not on TV.

Bah

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds *should* crush Paul Byrd today.

[westofyou]

Thank God wkki.net is working for me. I am stuck watching the White Sox.
A's Giants here... but not till, 1

[Gallen5862]

I am getting the Redsox game on Fox.

[Tornon]

Freel flies to left, 1 out

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel flies out to left. 1 out.

[Falls City Beer]

Byrd had an awful start to the season, but since the first month, he's gotten his act back to Paul Wilson levels.

Which means he'll throw 7 scoreless against the brutally consistent offense of the Reds. :)

[Tornon]

Lopez flies to the warning track in right center on the first pitch, 2 out

[Tornon]

Griffey lines a single to right

[Big Klu]

Kenny Albert seems to be an improvement over George Grande.

[Gallen5862]

Has the game started?

[reds44]

WKKI booted me out, but now I found an Indians feed.

[pedro]

WKKI booted me out, but now I found an Indians feed.

Me too. It's working again now.

mlb audio keeps crashing my browser.

[reds44]

Me too. It's working again now.

mlb audio keeps crashing my browser.
Thanks I'm going back to WKKI. If it boots you out again go here.

http://www.wloh.net/

The Indains feed would be better then nothing.

[Tornon]

Aurilia battles but ends up flying to left, no score middle of 1

[edabbs44]

RA is sweet.

[flyer85]

not sure Byrd threw Aurilia a strike

[reds44]

Rich has a .614 OPS vs. RHP this year.

That is why he shouldn't be hitting 4th.

[Reds Fanatic]

not sure Byrd threw Aurilia a strike
The pitch he flew out on was not a strike he chased an outside ball.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks will try that station.

[Tornon]

Sizemore flies to Freel on an 0-2 pitch, 1 out

[reds44]

Thanks will try that station.
try www.wkki.net 1st.
WKKI is a Reds feed, my other link is an Indians feed.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks that station works.

[Tornon]

Belliard bounces one back to Arroyo that he fields & throws him out, 2 out

[Gallen5862]

The Indians one did. Wkki would not work for me.

[reds44]

The Indians one did. Wkki would not work for me.
Alright. Sorry WKKI didn't work, but I am gald the Indians one did.

[Gallen5862]

The Indians announcers said each team is second worst in defense in each league. They said it was irionic that Redsox didn't think that Arroyo could be a 5th starter and he becomes the Reds ace.

[reds44]

Woah Marty takes a shot at Jim Bowden (I think)

Steve asked what happend with Sowers, Marty says,

"It was that clown of a GM we had "

[Tornon]

On the 10th pitch of the atbat, Peralta pops to Freel in shallow center, no score after 1.

[kaldaniels]

2.45 now for Bronson

[edabbs44]

OK folks. Aurilia is hitting fourth. I like Rich--he is one of my favorite "supporting cast members" on the team, and even I think that hitting him fourth is a bad idea. He would be better suited to the 7th (or 8th, in the AL park) spot in the order against RHP. But he is in the fourth spot, and we need to deal with it. This "blackmail" and "Rich has pictures" stuff is rapidly approaching "dead horse" territory.
RA in the 4 hole is reaching dead horse territory as well.

[westofyou]

Woah Marty takes a shot at Jim Bowden (I think)

Steve asked what happend with Sowers, Marty says,

"It was that clown of a GM we had "
This circus has many acts that are questionable.

[Big Klu]

RA in the 4 hole is reaching dead horse territory as well.

But there is nothing we can do about that.

[Tornon]

Dunn Ks looking at one on the outside corner, 1 out

[reds44]

Dunn is 3 for his last 29.

Can anyone on this team not named Freel, BP, and Ross hit right now?

[Big Klu]

I really don't like called third strikes.

[OnBaseMachine]

29 atbats without a HR for Dunn as his horrible slump continues.

[Tornon]

Hatteberg lines to center, 2 out

[edabbs44]

Dunn Ks looking at one on the outside corner, 1 out
Speaking of dead horse...:D

[reds44]

Dunn is only hitting .190 against RHP. I never thought I would see him do that

[Tornon]

Kearns Ks swinging on a 3-2 pitch, no score middle of 2

[Big Klu]

This circus has many acts that are questionable.

WOY, refresh my memory if you can. Didn't Bowden draft Sowers in the first round with no intention of signing him? What did the Reds hope to gain by wasting a first-round pick like that?

[Cant Touch This]

The Enquirer.com site says the game is on Fox Sports Net (CIN or OH presumably) but I'm guessing it is actually the FOX network affiliate because here in Vegas, when I tune into Fox Sports CN or OH through DirecTV, I'm getting some kind of high school football game. Is anyone in the Cincy area getting this game on FoxSports Net or is it on regular Fox? Thanks.

[OnBaseMachine]

Paul Byrd has a shutout through 2.

I vastly overrated this offense back in April.

[Reds Fanatic]

The Enquirer.com site says the game is on Fox Sports Net (CIN or OH presumably) but I'm guessing it is actually the FOX network affiliate because here in Vegas, when I tune into Fox Sports CN or OH through DirecTV, I'm getting some kind of high school football game. Is anyone in the Cincy area getting this game on FoxSports Net or is it on regular Fox? Thanks.
It is regular Fox. It is only being shown in Ohio, Kentucky and a few stations in West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

[reds44]

WOY, refresh my memory if you can. Didn't Bowden draft Sowers in the first round with no intention of signing him? What did the Reds hope to gain by wasting a first-round pick like that?
Marty said Sowers told everyone BEFORE the draft that he was going to go to Vanderbilt (sp?), but we drafted him anyway.

[smith288]

If Dunn sucks it up again today, he's getting kicked of my fantasy team.

[Tornon]

Arroyo falls behind on Hafner 3-0, but gets it back to 3-2 before Hafner flies to Kearns. 1 out

[Big Klu]

The Enquirer.com site says the game is on Fox Sports Net (CIN or OH presumably) but I'm guessing it is actually the FOX network affiliate because here in Vegas, when I tune into Fox Sports CN or OH through DirecTV, I'm getting some kind of high school football game. Is anyone in the Cincy area getting this game on FoxSports Net or is it on regular Fox? Thanks.

The game was originally scheduled as a night game to be televised on Fox Sports Net, but then FOX decided to televise the game regionally, so it is now a day game on your FOX network affiliate (if you are in the viewing area).

[westofyou]

WOY, refresh my memory if you can. Didn't Bowden draft Sowers in the first round with no intention of signing him? What did the Reds hope to gain by wasting a first-round pick like that?

Sowers was believed to be asking $3 million. The Reds were offering around $1.5million.

One year later


Gruler will get a signing bonus of $2.5 million, a fantastic bargain for the Reds. Last year's No. 3 pick, pitcher Dewon Brazelton, got a $4.2 million bonus from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. The Reds also did not have to give Gruler a major league contract - a huge plus after the organization gave such deals (and precious 40-man roster spots) to a pair of picks, David Espinosa and Dane Sardinha, in the 2000 draft.

[edabbs44]

WOY, refresh my memory if you can. Didn't Bowden draft Sowers in the first round with no intention of signing him? What did the Reds hope to gain by wasting a first-round pick like that?
$$$$$$$$

That's it.

[reds44]

Marty contiues to kill Jim Bowden on the air.

Classy.

[kaldaniels]

This is an interesting start for Bronson, (not how he has thrown so far), but the fact it is against the AL...much has been said that the NL hasn't picked up on him yet...well, I guess today will help answer that debate.

[4256 Hits]

WOY, refresh my memory if you can. Didn't Bowden draft Sowers in the first round with no intention of signing him? What did the Reds hope to gain by wasting a first-round pick like that?

They offered him 1.5 mil but he said all along that he wanted to go to college so John Allen wanted to draft him in order to not have to pay a signing bonus to a 1st round pick that year.

As for Marty he need to build a bridge and get over it. Bowden didn't kiss Marty's ring and Marty will carry the angry to his grave.

[Tornon]

Arroyo falls behind on Martinez 3-0, but gets it back to 3-2 before Martinez takes ball 4

[westofyou]

If Dunn sucks it up again today, he's getting kicked of my fantasy team.
I have him and Gomes (both slumping) and Jeter/Ensberg/Albert (all recently hurt) and I'm swirling the drain.

[reds44]

28 pitches already for Bronson.

[Tornon]

Broussard Ks swinging, 2 out

[cumberlandreds]

It is regular Fox. It is only being shown in Ohio, Kentucky and a few stations in West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

According to another website the Reds game is only on 6% of FOX affiliates. Which is less than it normally would be available. Stupid,stupid contract MLB has. Thanks for the PBP. I'm getting the Phils/Sox game in the DC area.

[edabbs44]

Gruler will get a signing bonus of $2.5 million, a fantastic bargain for the Reds. Last year's No. 3 pick, pitcher Dewon Brazelton, got a $4.2 million bonus from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. The Reds also did not have to give Gruler a major league contract - a huge plus after the organization gave such deals (and precious 40-man roster spots) to a pair of picks, David Espinosa and Dane Sardinha, in the 2000 draft.
That might be a little skewed, since Gruler was a HS pitcher and Dewon was a college guy. The #3 picks from 2003-2005 received $3.35 mil, $3 mil and $3.4 mil. All college guys. Gruler's bonus was a little low, but not as low as the Dewon comparison makes it seem. And if Gruler didn't get injured, it might be a different story.

[Tornon]

Hollandsworth goes yard on a 3-2 pitch, 2-0 Indians

[OnBaseMachine]

Hollandsworth 2-run HR.

Sad.

[reds44]

Arroyo with 40 pitches already.

Not good.

[Tornon]

Boone pops to Hatteberg, 2-0 Indians after 2

[OnBaseMachine]

When you work behind in the count, even crap hitters like Hollandsworth(.581 OPS) will kill you.

This team constantly gets killed by little league caliber hitters.

[westofyou]

That might be a little skewed, since Gruler was a HS pitcher and Dewon was a college guy. The #3 picks from 2003-2005 received $3.35 mil, $3 mil and $3.4 mil. All college guys. Gruler's bonus was a little low, but not as low as the Dewon comparison makes it seem. And if Gruler didn't get injured, it might be a different story.
Well it is John Fay who wrote it.

[Doc. Scott]

That might be a little skewed, since Gruler was a HS pitcher and Dewon was a college guy. The #3 picks from 2003-2005 received $3.35 mil, $3 mil and $3.4 mil. All college guys. Gruler's bonus was a little low, but not as low as the Dewon comparison makes it seem. And if Gruler didn't get injured, it might be a different story.

Not that it's any ringing endorsement, but Gruler actually pitched for the GCL Reds already. Now that he's 21, it's like we have a college pitcher. Good thing to get him through that injury nexus.

[edabbs44]

Well it is John Fay who wrote it.
Not arguing, but the Gruler disaster had more to do with bad luck than bad drafting. Unless they knew his shoulder was going to fall apart. Sowers, on the otherhand, was all FO.

[Tornon]

Phillips pops to first, 1 out

[westofyou]

Correct that, Lancaster wrote it.


http://www.cincypost.com/2002/jun/05/draft060502.html

[edabbs44]

Not that it's any ringing endorsement, but Gruler actually pitched for the GCL Reds already. Now that he's 21, it's like we have a college pitcher. Good thing to get him through that injury nexus.
Shoulders are very difficult to come back from.

[westofyou]

Shoulders are very difficult to come back from.
Pitcher Kryptonite

[edabbs44]

''We felt Kazmir would be the quickest one to the big leagues, being left-handed, and we felt Gruler had the higher ceiling of the two,'' said Bowden. ''We want the player with the highest ceiling, biggest reward - Adam Dunn, Austin Kearns, Chris Gruler.''

Understatement of the decade?

[Tornon]

Ross flies to center, 2 out

[Big Klu]

Capital One Trivia Question: Who are the last 20-game winners for the Reds and Indians?

My guess: Danny Jackson and Gaylord Perry

[Doc. Scott]

Shoulders are very difficult to come back from.

Well, the last part was some sarcasm. :)

[GAC]

Chat is open! :beerme:

[gm]

If Dunn sucks it up again today, he's getting kicked of my fantasy team.


I have him and Gomes (both slumping) and Jeter/Ensberg/Albert (all recently hurt) and I'm swirling the drain.

NOW we know why Adam's been struggling! You guys need to drop Dunn asap so next game he'll go 4-4 with 12 RBIs:evil:

(Best way to dance for rain? Wash you car)

[westofyou]

NOW we know why Adam's been struggling! You guys need to drop Dunn asap so next game he'll go 4-4 with 12 RBIs:evil:

(Best way to dance for rain? Wash you car)
I don't count RBI's in my league, but I'll take those hits.

[Tornon]

Freel pokes one into left that the LF dives for and can't quite get it. Double for Freel

[Tornon]

Lopez flies to the edge of the warning track in center, 2-0 Indians middle of 3

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds are getting shutout by Paul Byrd. Awesome.

I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that Todd Hollandsworth hit a 2-run HR or that the Reds are getting shutout by Paul Byrd.

[reds44]

Why does Lopez continue to bat 2nd and BP and Ross 7th and 8th?

[Tornon]

Inglett chops one to Arroyo, 1 out

[edabbs44]

Why does Lopez continue to bat 2nd and BP and Ross 7th and 8th?
Don't forget about Richie.

I expect The Learning Channel to focus on this as the subject of a Mysteries of the Universe show. The Bermuda Triangle, The Loch Ness Monster and The Narron Thinking Process.

[reds44]

OPS:

Lopez-.743
BP-.821
Ross-.1,120

Spot in the lineup today:
lopez-2
BP-8
Ross-9

Yay Jerry!

[Tornon]

Sizemore shoots one to Freel, 2 out

[Big Klu]

Capital One Trivia Answer: Danny Jackson and Gaylord Perry

[Tornon]

Belliard flies one that Dunn makes an over-the-shoulder catch of, 2-0 Indians after 3

[reds44]

49 pitches thru 3 for BA.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo gets through the 3rd on only 9 pitches.

[gm]

The Reds are getting shutout by Paul Byrd. Awesome.

If I had a dollar for everytime the Red's opponent's TV/radio crew said "________ has really got it working today, this has gotta be his best outing of the year!"

[Tornon]

Griffey grounds a single into right

[GAC]

More would be welcome in chat! ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

2nd hit for Junior today.

[reds44]

2-2 for Junior

[gm]

Capital One Trivia Answer: Danny Jackson and Gaylord Perry

Nice call Karnac, now what was the question?

[Tornon]

Aurilia lines one right at the left fielder, 1 out

[OnBaseMachine]

30 atbats without a HR.

[Tornon]

Dunn lines to right on the first pitch, 2 out

[GAC]

More 1st pitch swinging.

Dunn line out to RF

2 down

[reds44]

2 for his last 30 now

this middle of the order scares nobody.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds offense hasn't homered since Monday.

[Tornon]

Hatteberg lines to second, 2-0 Indians middle of 4

[OnBaseMachine]

Byrd had an awful start to the season, but since the first month, he's gotten his act back to Paul Wilson levels.

Which means he'll throw 7 scoreless against the brutally consistent offense of the Reds. :)

Good call. You nailed that one again.

[edabbs44]

This lineup is putrid right now. RA and Hatte should be banished for a few games.

[reds44]

We need to get Edwin back.

[GAC]

Good call. You nailed that one again.

we've only played 4 innings though. ;)

[reds44]

This lineup is putrid right now. RA and Hatte should be banished for a few games.
Lopez and Dunn are more the problem right now then Hatte is.

[flyer85]

byrd not fooling anyone at the moment. Everyone this time through has hit the ball hard

[flyer85]

offense has not been the problem of late

[Patrick Bateman]

When your offense hits 3 line drives right at fielders in an inning, you can't really blame them.

[GAC]

byrd not fooling anyone at the moment. Everyone this time through has hit the ball hard

Yep. I don"t think he can keep that up and not start getting burned. But I wish our guys would show some more patience up there.

[Tornon]

Peralta dumps a leadoff single in front of Dunn

[Tornon]

Hafner goes to the left-center gap for a double. 2nd & 3rd none out

[reds44]

joy.

[OnBaseMachine]

This one is about to get ugly.

[Tornon]

Martinez grounds to Phillips, runs scores. 3-0 Indians, 1 out

[Tornon]

Broussard pops to Ross in foul territory, 2 out

[reds44]

offense has not been the problem of late
The offense hasn't been good lately.

Last 6 games:
1
4
2
2
6
2
3

3.3 RPG

[GAC]

Nice play by Ross on the pop up. 2 down

[GAC]

This Indian's offense has not been tearing it up lately either.

We can get to Byrd if we'd be more patient.

GO to Hat. Inning over

[reds44]

62 pitches for BA.

[Tornon]

Hollandsworth grounds to Hatteberg, 3-0 Indians after 4. "Heart" of the order due up for the Reds (Kearns - BP - Ross)

[Big Klu]

Pretty good damage control by Bronson...2nd and 3rd with no outs, and allows only one run.

[Falls City Beer]

Byrd's been pretty great the last month a half; I could see this one coming.

[flyer85]

Yep. I don"t think he can keep that up and not start getting burned. But I wish our guys would show some more patience up there.the idea is to get a good pitch to hit and hit it hard. I have no problem(and neither should anyone else) with swinging early in the count if hard contact is made.

[flyer85]

Byrd's been pretty great the last month a half; I could see this one coming.He's got pretty lucky the last 1+ innings

[GAC]

Good AB by Ears so far

[pedro]

Byrd's been pretty great the last month a half; I could see this one coming.

But he's lost twice which in your book means he picthed just crappy enough to lose ;)

[Tornon]

Kearns battles, and on the 10th pitch of the atbat Ks swinging, 1 out

[Falls City Beer]

He's got pretty lucky the last 1+ innings

Frankly, this offense can be so godawful when it's not great, that I wouldn't chalk it up to luck, just poor execution.

[Tornon]

Phillips singles into left, 9 game hitting streak

[GAC]

BP extends his hitting streak to 9 games with a single

[OnBaseMachine]

I gotta turn this one off. I can't watch my team get shutdown by Paul freakin' Byrd. I can't wait to see what Jeremy Sowers does against them tomorrow - we may see the first no-hitter since 2004.

[Tornon]

Ross flies to center, 2 out

[GAC]

MArtinez 5 for 50 in throwing out runners.

Need a steal here. ;)

[pedro]

Narron says this is his "best lineup" according to Marty.

[flyer85]

Frankly, this offense can be so godawful when it's not great, that I wouldn't chalk it up to luck, just poor execution.I didn't realize most hitters could control their line drives so they weren't right at some one :D

[pedro]

MArtinez 5 for 50 in throwing out runners.

Need a steal here. ;)

wow, that's bad.

[Gallen5862]

Indians announcers are impressed with Reds athleticism and With Krivisky's moves.

[Falls City Beer]

I didn't realize most hitters could control their line drives so they weren't right at some one :D

Sometimes even the most ineffectual swings result in line drives.;)

[Strikes Out Looking]

Narron says this is his "best lineup" according to Marty.

In a related matter, the only team the Mitchell commission is interviewing about the heavy use of drugs that induce hallucinations is the Reds.

[reds44]

Narron says this is his "best lineup" according to Marty.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm gonna be sick.

[GAC]

Good AB by Ryan. This is what we ned to be doing against Byrd.

Keep it up boys!

Freel lines out to end the inning.

[Tornon]

On the 9th pitch of the atbat(3-2 count), Freel lines one that the shortstop makes a leaping stab of. 3-0 Indians middle of 5

[edabbs44]

Narron says this is his "best lineup" according to Marty.
He's such a fool. Narron, that is.

[Cedric]

The Reds are about as close to flaming toast as you can get.

[flyer85]

4 lineouts the last 2 innings

[flyer85]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm gonna be sick.don't be shocked if EE finds himself on the bench when he comes back.

[reds44]

don't be shocked if EE finds himself on the bench when he comes back.
I'll be even more sick.

That better not happen. If it does, Narron is the dumbest manager in the history of sports.

[GAC]

I'll be even more sick.

That better not happen. If it does, Narron is the dumbest manager in the history of sports.

he started in 53 games prior to the DL. I doubt it. ;)

[edabbs44]

don't be shocked if EE finds himself on the bench when he comes back.
...or if Narron is the first all-star coach not to have a job at the time of the ASG.

[Tornon]

Boone Ks looking, 1 out

[pedro]

In a related matter, the only team the Mitchell commission is interviewing about the heavy use of drugs that induce hallucinations is the Reds.

I've heard that they had a player (since traded) who was really into ecstasy. I'm not going to say who it was because I don't know if it is true.

[reds44]

...or if Narron is the first all-star coach not to have a job at the time of the ASG.
Nope that already happend to Miley last year.

Narron isn't going anywhere anyways, no matter how stupid his lineups are.

[Falls City Beer]

It looks like the Reds are fulfilling my prophecy of 7 innings of shutout ball. Go team.

[Tornon]

Inglett grounds to Hatteberg, 2 out

[Strikes Out Looking]

I've heard that they had a player (since traded) who was really into ecstasy. I'm not going to say who it was because I don't know if it is true.

Wow--I was joking! The coaches and manager must have stumbled onto the stash.

[pedro]

FTR, other that his creepy over use of RA at cleanup vs. RHP I don't mind Narron and feel he's doing an OK job under the circumstances.

[GAC]

I'm glad Narron was selected. IMO he deserves to be one of the coaches.

[NJReds]

Nope that already happend to Miley last year.

Narron isn't going anywhere anyways, no matter how stupid his lineups are.

Leading the wildcard standings; 3 games out of first.

I don't see him being fired anytime soon. If he was, which member of this board would be first to take his place. ;)

[Tornon]

Sizemore walks

[reds44]

Leading the wildcard standings; 3 games out of first.

I don't see him being fired anytime soon. If he was, which member of this board would be first to take his place. ;)
I don't want Narron to be fired at all, he has done a really good job this year. However somebody else needs to make out the lineup card.

[Cedric]

I don't want Narron to be fired at all, he has done a really good job this year. However somebody else needs to make out the lineup card.

Putting the right 8 guys on the field is the most important part of his job.

[pedro]

Wow--I was joking! The coaches and manager must have stumbled onto the stash.

From what I hear they got called this his apartment late one night when he was making a ruckus.

[GAC]

I don't want Narron to be fired at all, he has done a really good job this year. However somebody else needs to make out the lineup card.

That's ridiculous. You say he is doing a good job, but then that he shouldn't be making out the lineup cards?? :lol:

[Tornon]

Belliard Ks swinging, 3-0 Indians after 5

[reds44]

That's ridiculous. You say he is doing a good job, but then that he shouldn't be making out the lineup cards?? :lol:
Look at his recored as our manager. He is doing something right.

But don't ask me what.
:laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

85 pitches for Arroyo.

[edabbs44]

Putting the right 8 guys on the field is the most important part of his job.
Exactly. If you cannot figure out RA has no business being anywhere near the batter's box when a RHP is in the game, then you are highly questionable as a manager. He's made some good moves, but come on. This is ridiculous.

[KronoRed]

Bad bad lineup.

Miley 2.0? ;) or is it Boone 3.0? :D

[pedro]

Putting the right 8 guys on the field is the most important part of his job.

Hard to argue that he doesn't have the right 8 on the field tonight or most nights. It's his lineup construction that is a little odd. Regardless I think manageing the clubhouse is often more important than the batting order IMO.

[KronoRed]

Look at his recored as our manager. He is doing something right.

But don't ask me what.
:laugh:
I call it..getting good starting pitching

Amazing how that makes a manager look good :D

[GAC]

Look at his recored as our manager. He is doing something right.

Exactly. And that is also the result from him making out the lineup cards. Among othre things. ;)

[KronoRed]

Oh BTW - would not shock me to see Castro at 3rd, Aurilia at 1B, the Hat DH and Freel in LF to give Dunner a day off tomorrow.

Krono will find the smilie that tosses tomatoes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Kronosb/tomato2.gif

[reds44]

Exactly. If you cannot figure out RA has no business being anywhere near the batter's box when a RHP is in the game, then you are highly questionable as a manager. He's made some good moves, but come on. This is ridiculous.
So you want to fire a guy with a winning record as our manager, when we haven't had a winning year in what 7 years?

[reds44]

Exactly. And that is also the result from him making out the lineup cards. Among othre things. ;)
So you like his lineups?

[Cedric]

Hard to argue that he doesn't have the right 8 on the field tonight or most nights. It's his lineup construction that is a little odd. Regardless I think manageing the clubhouse is often more important than the batting order IMO.

The order means nothing to me. The fact that he would start the year playing Womack should tell all about his evaluation of players.

[Tornon]

Lopez flies to center, 1 out

[reds44]

Why is Lopez STILL batting 2nd?????

PLEASE SOMEBODY TELL ME!!!

[Tornon]

Griffey grounds to second, 2 out

[reds44]

We are well on our way to being shut out for the 7th time this season. Against Paul Bryd for all people.

But yeah Jerry, this is th best lineup. Right.

[Falls City Beer]

7 shutout innings? Hell, 8 should be no problem for Byrd.

[GAC]

So you like his lineups?

For the most part? Yes. But not always.

What I love about these gamethreads is that every one of them starts out with people complaining about the lineups... and then they somehow win with them.

You guys must be jinxing them. ;)

[NJReds]

We are well on our way to being shut out for the 7th time this season. Against Paul Bryd for all people.

But yeah Jerry, this is th best lineup. Right.

We have four hits today...2 by one player. So no matter what the order, I don't think we'd have any runs today.

[pedro]

Reds fans suicide hotline.

May I help you?

[GAC]

We are well on our way to being shut out for the 7th time this season. Against Paul Bryd for all people.

But yeah Jerry, this is th best lineup. Right.

Well - maybe FCB is right. Byrd has been pitching pretty well the last month, and seems to be throwing a darn good game today.

It happens; but it's not over yet. ;)

We're still running the same guys out there... just in a different order.

You think that would make a diffference the way he is pitching?

[Tornon]

Aurilia lines to right, 3-0 Indians middle of 6

[flyer85]

with the GB from Jr you can complain about a first pitch swing, it was awful, he jammed himself

[GAC]

We have four hits today...2 by one player. So no matter what the order, I don't think we'd have any runs today.

exactly!

[pedro]

They're hitting the ball hard, they're just not having any luck. It happens.

Most of time when they suck it up they're do it weakly.

I predict some runs next inning.

[westofyou]

Reds fans suicide hotline.

May I help you?
YES..... I'm a prisoner of a game that is fraught with patterns and unseen factors that vary day to day.

But aside from my marriage.... let's talk Reds.

[reds44]

exactly!
Doesn't change the fact you have 2 of your 3 best hitters of late hitting 8 and 9. And 4 of your worst batting in the middle of the order.

Freel
Phillips
Griffey
Kearns
Dunn
Ross
Lopez
Hatteberg
RA

[GAC]

They're hitting the ball hard, they're just not having any luck. It happens.

Most of time when they suck it up they're do it weakly.

I predict some runs next inning.

I'm with you Kemo Sabe ;)

[Tornon]

Peralta flies to Freel, 1 out

[GAC]

Doesn't change the fact you have 2 of your 3 best hitters of late hitting 8 and 9. And 4 of your worst batting in the middle of the order.

Freel
Phillips
Griffey
Kearns
Dunn
Ross
Lopez
Hatteberg
RA

RA a solid hitter?

And again - that matters how as long as the guys ahead of them get on base? And those whom you deem "worst batter" also have a solid OB%

[edabbs44]

So you want to fire a guy with a winning record as our manager, when we haven't had a winning year in what 7 years?
The majority of the credit for the improvement of this team can be given to 2 individuals.

Arroyo
Phillips

And he keeps batting Phillips in the lower third of the lineup.

If Narron somehow has something to do with the success of these players, then he should remain the manager. But I always thought that managers deserve too much credit when a team does well. I guess if we had another manager then Arroyo would be 3-6 and BPhil would be hitting .250?

There is not one reason RA should be hitting cleanup vs a RHP. This is something that is factual. And someone should be calling Jerry out on it.

[Tornon]

Hafner lines one off Arroyo's foot for a single

[reds44]

And again - that matters how as long as the guys ahead of them get on base? And those whom you deem "worst batter" also have a solid OB%
Griffey and Rich have solid OBPs?

I'll give you Griffey and Dunn being in a slump. Rich and Felipe? Not so much. And what is so wrong with playing the hot for awhile? BP and Ross are hot, bat them higher. Lopez and Dunn are cold, bat them lower.

[pedro]

YES..... I'm a prisoner of a game that is fraught with patterns and unseen factors that vary day to day.

But aside from my marriage.... let's talk Reds.

:laugh:

[KronoRed]

Griffey and Rich have solid OBPs?

No they do not.

[KronoRed]

With Sowers(soft tossing lefty) tomorrow we better wake up here soon

[GAC]

Griffey and Rich have solid OBPs?

You have RA batting 9th (according to the lineup you just posted). Just going on that. ;)

And who has two hits today? ;)

[reds44]

You have RA batting 9th (according to the lineup you just posted). Just going on that. ;)
GAC I was talking about Narron's lineup, not mine.

[Tornon]

Martinez grounds one by a diving Phillips for a single, Hafner was running on the play and gets to third.

[westofyou]

Earl Averill a Indian was the guy who hit the ball off Dizzy Dean's foot in the AS game and started the cascade to his career ending arm injury (because he favored that broken toe)

[Reds Fanatic]

Standridge warming up.

[Kc61]

We are well on our way to being shut out for the 7th time this season. Against Paul Bryd for all people.

But yeah Jerry, this is th best lineup. Right.

Is the criticism of the players used or the batting order?

On players used, I think Valentin should be in the lineup with the DH rule and a righty pitcher. Otherwise, hard to criticize the guys Narron put out there.

As for the batting order, the Reds have 4 hits by 3 players, no walks, one extra base hit. Juggle the order all you want, it's hard to produce runs that way.

All the emphasis is on RA, but Lopez, Griffey, RA, and Dunn lately have all hit like seventh or eighth hitters. All of them have had disappointing years offensively. The guys who deserve to hit in the middle of the order are Hatteberg, Phillips and Ross.

[Falls City Beer]

I see a pattern: this offense simply has no way to avoid wild swings between greatness and torpor; I wish they did things the Cardinals' way, things which forestall these wild fluctuations and provide consistent output.

[gm]

Scariest words ever?

"There's activity in the Red's bullpen"

[KronoRed]

I see a pattern: this offense simply has no way to avoid wild swings between greatness and torpor; I wish they did things the Cardinals' way, things which forestall these wild fluctuations and provide consistent output.
You lost a bet right? :D

[reds44]

Is the criticism of the players used or the batting order?

On players used, I think Valentin should be in the lineup with the DH rule and a righty pitcher. Otherwise, hard to criticize the guys Narron put out there.

As for the batting order, the Reds have 4 hits by 3 players, no walks, one extra base hit. Juggle the order all you want, it's hard to produce runs that way.

All the emphasis is on RA, but Lopez, Griffey, RA, and Dunn lately have all hit like seventh or eighth hitters. All of them have had disappointing years offensively. The guys who deserve to hit in the middle of the order are Hatteberg, Phillips and Ross.
I've said Lopez and Dunn should be moved lower in the order, not just RA. I don't mind who is playing, but where they are hitting.

[KronoRed]

Scariest words ever?

"There's activity in the Red's bullpen"
I hear the Jaws theme

[Tornon]

Broussard Ks swinging, 2 out

[Marc D]

Scariest words ever?

"There's activity in the Red's bullpen"

They should play the russian death march music when the come in.

[edabbs44]

Scariest words ever?

"There's activity in the Red's bullpen"
It could also be said that there is blood in the water.

[Falls City Beer]

Hand it to Bronson: he continues to gut it out against the frustration of this nightmarish offensive display.

[westofyou]

It could also be said that there is blood in the water.
It should be called the Chumpen

[edabbs44]

Rumor has it that Broussard could be on the block. I wonder what it would take to get him back. He seems very unhappy in Cleveland.

[gm]

C-town radio dudes not too happy with Ben-der

[KronoRed]

http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/safari/shark/photo/gallery/shark_3.jpg

[KronoRed]

Rumor has it that Broussard could be on the block. I wonder what it would take to get him back. He seems very unhappy in Cleveland.
I can just hear the local guys on that trade "He K's too much!!!"

;)

[GAC]

GAC I was talking about Narron's lineup, not mine.

This is what you posted (below). I don't know what today's lineup is because I came in late, and don't really care.

You didn't identify the below as your lineup, and that is what my response was based on.

be more specific. ;)


Doesn't change the fact you have 2 of your 3 best hitters of late hitting 8 and 9. And 4 of your worst batting in the middle of the order.

Freel
Phillips
Griffey
Kearns
Dunn
Ross
Lopez
Hatteberg
RA

[Tornon]

Hollandsworth lines one that Freel makes a diving grab of (looks like the ball hit the ground). 3-0 Indians after 6

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow it looked like he trapped the ball.

[GAC]

Wow it looked like he trapped the ball.

it was.... but we'll take it ;)

[reds44]

This is what you posted (below). I don't know what today's lineup is because I came in late, and don't really care.

You didn't identify the below as your lineup....
Oh ok my bad. I meant that would be my lineup.

Fyi, todays lineup is

Freel
Lopez
Griffey
RA
Dunn
Hatte
Kearns
BP
Ross

[KronoRed]

Where the heck is the remote? :dunno:

Did I leave it in the other game thread?

[Larry Schuler]

Wow it looked like he trapped the ball.

According to the Indians announcers he did. They also commented that, "of course, Joe West [the umpire] didn't even move down the line to get a better look, he is 350lbs!"

[gm]

Rumor has it that Broussard could be on the block. I wonder what it would take to get him back. He seems very unhappy in Cleveland.

We'll keep Phillips, thank you very much.

(But we do have a few aging releif pitchers we'd be willing to part with)

Reds don't need BenB, though. He'd basically duplicate Hatte