6/29/06 Game thread

[Willy]

Kansas City
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
D. DeJesus lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
D. Mientkiewicz 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
E. Brown rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283
M. Teahen 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
T. Graffanino ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
P. Bako c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
J. Gathright cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .214
B. Keppel p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .225
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
R. Aurilia 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .272
S. Hatteberg 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .272
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .310
D. Ross c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .320
B. Arroyo p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .171
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Kansas City
IP H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
B. Keppel 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.78

Cincinnati
IP H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
B. Arroyo 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.58

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Beat me by two minutes :cry:

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Let's hope Arroyo can continue to pitch well.....maybe we'll score some runs for him tonight.

[Willy]

I'm liking Dunn back in the 2 hole

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If he hits like he did the last time he was in the two hole, I'll take it anytime

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Funny how all of the critics of Aurilia (me included) have no problem with him hitting fourth tonight....

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Good to see that Welsh is back....

[Ltlabner]

Chat is open for those who are interested....

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First one nubbed to short :laugh: :laugh: for the first out, DeJesus retired

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Arroyo K's Grudzielanek

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Mientkiewicz HR's to right 1-0 KC

[Willy]

Mientkiewicz homers 1-0

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Arroyo didnt get that waste pitch up enough as Mientkiewicz deposits the ball into the right field stands

Brown flies out to center to end the inning mid 1, KC 1-0

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Lopez singles to center

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Dunn flies out to left

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WOW Jr. is hot.........2 run HR to right to put the reds up 2-1

[RedEye]

Wow... Griff... no doubt about that one.

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Aurilia grounds out to third

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Hatteberg flies out ot the track in right, I thought it was gone when he hit it....

after 1 2-1 CIN

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Arroyo K's Teahen

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Arroyo struggling with command, walks Graffanino on four pitches

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Arroyo K's Bako, as Ross throws out Graffanino at second, strike em out throw em out double play

mid 2, 2-1 CIN

[RedEye]

Nice throw by Ross. Double play... 2-1 Reds middle of the 2nd.

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That guy was thrown out by a whole lot to end the inning.....at least 5 ft.

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Kearns grounds out to third on a nice stop by Teahen

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Phillips singles to left, continuing to show that he deserves to bat higher than 7th every game

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Ross K's, Phillips steals 2nd

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Phillips is now 15/15 in stolen bases

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Arroyo walks

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Phillips gets picked off at second to end the inning

after 2, 2-1 CIN

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Gathwright grounds out to Philliips

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Keppel lines out to Kearns

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DeJesus singles to left, but tries to stretch it to a double and is thrown out by Dunn....nice tag by Phillips

mid 3, 2-1 CIN

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Lopez HR's to right 3-1 CIN

[indyred]

Great American Small Park.....Felo sneaks one out in right field porch

[Hap]

I think I'll stop my Dunn-bashing..............

[indyred]

Ding Dong Dunn

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Dunn hits a homer to right......loved the reaction from Grande "WOOOOAAAAHH!!!"

4-1 CIN

[RedEye]

I think that was the biggest HR I've ever seen... ever... like in THE NATURAL.

[indyred]

I'd love to take BP in GASP.....

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Griffey grounds to the third baseman at short

[indyred]

I think that was the biggest HR I've ever seen... ever... like in THE NATURAL.
They always show Dunn's bomb over the Power Stacks.that one may be the longest homer I've ever seen.....I do remember Canseco hitting one at the top of Skydome awhile back.....

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The longest HR I've ever seen is Dunn's HR over the Hitter's Eye in center to the river

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Aurilia walks

[indyred]

If this continues. Wonder if Reds will go the Rockies rout and keep the balls in a humidor......That has really cut down on the homers there....

[fisch11]

Did you see Lopez' reaction to Dunn's HR in the dugout? It was classic.

[REDSEER]

If this continues. Wonder if Reds will go the Rockies rout and keep the balls in a humidor......That has really cut down on the homers there....
I happen to like it now as long as we are winning.....as soon as we start losing though, BRING OUT THE HUMIDOR

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Jeremy Affeldt in to pitch

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Did you see Lopez' reaction to Dunn's HR in the dugout? It was classic.
Lopez: (taking off batting gloves, looks up) OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!!

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Hatteberg K's looking

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Teahen robs Kearns again with a diving play......

after three, 4-1 CIN

[RedEye]

I wonder if Affeldt will be available at the deadline. His stuff looks pretty good, and he's an accomplished swing-man too...

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Grudzielanek flies out to Kearns

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I wonder if Affeldt will be available at the deadline. His stuff looks pretty good, and he's an accomplished swing-man too...
He's gotta be better than what we have........

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Mientkiewicz with an infield single

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Grande's favorite new phrase:

"Cue the duck!" before the AFLAC trivia question.:laugh: :laugh:

[RedEye]

He's gotta be better than what we have........

A free agent, too... so they might be willing to deal him.

Denorfia for Affeldt?

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Brown walks

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A free agent, too... so they might be willing to deal him.

Denorfia for Affeldt?
Not that much, I don't think........How about Moran for Affeldt??

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Teahen singles to left......runners held, bases loaded with one out

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Graffanino grounds out to first, one runner scores

4-2 CIN

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Arroyo walks Bako

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Gathwright lines to left

mid 4, 4-2 CIN

Am I the only that's getting really annoyed by the Taylor Hicks Ford commercial???

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Phillips walks

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Ross grounds out, Phillips to 2nd

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Hustle by Arroyo works out as Affeldt bobbles the bunt........

1st and 3rd, one out for Lopez

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Lopez with a sac fly to deep right center,

5-2 CIN

[harangatang]

Lopez with a sac fly to deep right center,

5-2 CINLopez is starting to really heat up with the warm weather, hopefully it continues.

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Dunn flies out to the wall in center, Gathwright with a nice jumping catch at the wall

after 4, 5-2 CIN

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Pop up to Jr. starts the inning

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moving to the bottom of the fifth, Jr. pops out to start the inning

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Aurilia K's looking

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Hatteberg grounds out to first,

after 5, 5-2 CIN

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Mientkiewicz grounds out

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Brown grounds out to third

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Teahen is retired

mid 6, 5-2 CIN

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Kearns doubles in the left center gap

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Phillips flies out to right

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Ross walks, Arroyo coming to the plate

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Arroyo lays down the sacrafice bunt

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Lopez K's to end the inning

after 6, 5-2 CIN

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Graffanino flies out to left

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Bako grounds out to Arroyo

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Gathwright singles to right

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pinch hitter German K's

mid 7, 5-2 CIN

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Dunn K's......This guy looks like another that we could use in the Bullpen.....Hammond warming up in the pen

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Griffey flies out to left

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Aurilia walks

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Hatteberg singles to left

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ANOTHER GRANDE BASH.................

He said Aurilia was "rounding second and holding", when he was actually slowing up and trotting into second base and had not yet arrived there. As George Carlin might say, "Doesn't this violate some fundamental law of physics?"

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ANOTHER GRANDE BASH.................

He said Aurilia was "rounding second and holding", when he was actually slowing up and trotting into second base and had not yet arrived there. As George Carlin might say, "Doesn't this violate some fundamental law of physics?"
LOL......I've had a few of them in this thread, don't feel too bad...

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Kearns grounds out to end the inning

after 7, 5-2 CIN

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Arroyo's night is finished, Hammond in to pitch

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DeJesus doubles, and the bullpen woes continue

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base hit by Grudzielanek scores DeJesus, 5-3 CIN

[CincyReds2003]

base hit by Grudzielanek scores DeJesus, 5-3 CIN

This is utterly ridiculous!!! These guys need to go!!

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Mientkiewicz grounds into a fielders choice, Grudz out at 2nd

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Brown singles

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Just what we all wanted, Weathers coming in to face Reggie Sanders with a two run lead and two on.......

[fielder's choice]

I love Narron. Belisle dominated last night, but he brings in a guy who hasn't gotten an out in a month. :bang: Goodbye lead.

[dman]

Was Arroyo looking so bad that Narron felt the need to hand it to this inept bullpen?

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Sanders singles, runners held, bases loaded for Graffanino

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Graffanino singles, one run scores

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bases loaded for Bako

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sac fly by Bako ties the game up......and a good start by Arroyo goes down the drain

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Gathwright up with men on 1st and 3rd, two outs

[GOREDSGO32]

Way to go bullpen. This HAS to be the straw that broke the bullpens back. We can't keep these guys on, bring up ANYONE - get rid of Weathers and Hammond!!!

[CincyReds2003]

I hope Arroyo lays it into this bullpen and Narron after the game...This is ridiculous that the team and the fans have to put up with this..If Cast is so bent on getting this team into the playoffs then we need a little action not words. First thing they need to do is get rid of Hammond, and Weathers and bring up some guys..Cast, if you want to win now..then show us!!!!!

[Gandalf the Red]

It's a good thing Arroyo is too busy saving the world from Lex Luthor's latest scheme to see this.

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I hope Arroyo lays it into this bullpen and Narron after the game...This is ridiculous that the team and the fans have to put up with this..If Cast is so bent on getting this team into the playoffs then we need a little action not words. First thing they need to do is get rid of Hammond, and Weathers and bring up some guys..Cast, if you want to win now..then show us!!!!!
Weathers hasn't been as bad this game as before....two weak singles on bloop pitches killed this inning

[CincyReds2003]

If they lose this series to KC, I'm sorry...they don't deserve to be in the playoffs..

[cinredsfan2000]

Cant we D.F.A. weathers ? or demote him down to aaa and maybe they can teach him how to pitch better ?

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Gathwright walks.......someone go out and save Weathers from himself

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Angel Berroa in to pinch hit

[fielder's choice]

Dear Mr Weathers,

Please retire. Even though youre not even good enough to be a mop-up man anymore, the idiot running the team will continue to use you in important situations, and leave you in, even though it is clear that you aren't about to get anyone out.

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Was Arroyo looking so bad that Narron felt the need to hand it to this inept bullpen?
This is the exact reason why I was skeptical when I heard of Narron's extension........he seems to be scared of hurting people or ticking people off, even though we all know Bronson could pitch all night long.......

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Berroa grounds out to first...half of the torture is over

mid 8, 5-5 tie

[biggergipper]

36 pitches three runs, on 5 hits and a walk...terrible

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The familiar Elmer Dessens in to pitch for the Royals

[jimbo]

This is the exact reason why I was skeptical when I heard of Narron's extension........he seems to be scared of hurting people or ticking people off, even though we all know Bronson could pitch all night long.......

Do you really want Arroyo throwing 150 pitches per game?

[CincyReds2003]

This is the exact reason why I was skeptical when I heard of Narron's extension........he seems to be scared of hurting people or ticking people off, even though we all know Bronson could pitch all night long.......


Then if Narron won't hurt people's feelings, then the rest of the team needs to jump on these guys and tell them how worthless they are. I hope that clubhouse gets rattled tonight.

[biggergipper]

if he didn't pinch hit for arroyo, maybe he plans on letting weathers bat for himself as well :D

[tomred]

The worst bullpen in the baseball

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Do you really want Arroyo throwing 150 pitches per game?
no, but to take him out at around 100 doesn't seem right to me......especially with our bullpen....

[corkedbat]

If you're bullpen is gonna struggle anyway, do it with younger guys that might have at least some kind of future. This bullpen needs a turnover of at least three arms by the time they return from the all-star break. Krivsky needs to deal for at least one fresh arm pronto.

The guy taking the mound right now (Dessens) might not be a cure-all, but could be a starting point.

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Phillips grounds out to first

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Ross grounds out

[jimbo]

The Reds would still be leading if Lopez did not screw up that double play. You can't overlook that.

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Valentin singles, Freel to pinch run

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Freel steals second

[dman]

no, but to take him out at around 100 doesn't seem right to me......especially with our bullpen....
If pitchers can't go beyond 100 pitches then they're wussies, plain and simple. I remember there used to be a time when pitch counts were hardly thought of. If a pitcher is well conditioned then they should be able to go beyond that so called magic 100. That's why they go every 5 days. Managers worry themselves way too much about pitch counts.

[bleedsred]

Hammonds, Weathers, and Merker.....they all need to go, their arms are old and have nothing left. Keep Yan, Matt Belisle, Standridge(sp), and Coffey..put Claussen in the pen when healthy and then bring up some arms or go get em.

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Lopez walks

[corkedbat]

Hammonds, Weathers, and Merker.....they all need to go, their arms are old and have nothing left. Keep Yan, Matt Belisle, Standridge(sp), and Coffey..put Claussen in the pen when healthy and then bring up some arms or go get em.

Wouldn't mind seeing Dumatrait get a shot also.

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Dunn needs to come up clutch here

[jimbo]

If pitchers can't go beyond 100 pitches then they're wussies, plain and simple. I remember there used to be a time when pitch counts were hardly thought of. If a pitcher is well conditioned then they should be able to go beyond that so called magic 100. That's why they go every 5 days. Managers worry themselves way too much about pitch counts.

Times are a lot different. We now have 12 year old kids throwing breaking balls on regular basis and 18 year olds having Tommy John surgery. Pitchers nowadays are also throwing at a higher rate of speed than they did in the old days. With arm and shoulder injuries so common these days, you have to protect your pitchers.

Having said that though, I did not realize Arroyo was only at 108, I thought he was up around 120. I think he could have started another inning.

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Dunn with the HUGE double, Freel scores, Lopez thrown out at home by ten feet, I don't know what Berry was thinking.......

Anyway, after 8, 6-5 CIN

[jimbo]

Wow, big hit by Dunn.....especially after being down 0-2.

I'm not sure why Lopez was sent home though, he was out by a mile. I would have liked to have runners on second and third with Junior up. A one run lead is never enough with this bullpen.

[KoryMac5]

Why send Lopez with JR coming to bat

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Coffey in to pitch....

[biggergipper]

a one run lead doesn't even feel good when the game is over with this bullpen

[MasonBuzz3]

i kind of like this Adam Dunn guy in the 2 hole

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DeJesus grounds out

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Grudzielanek grounds out to first

[biggergipper]

took out de jesus with the rose filled bowling ball

[texasdave]

Times are a lot different. We now have 12 year old kids throwing breaking balls on regular basis and 18 year olds having Tommy John surgery. Pitchers nowadays are also throwing at a higher rate of speed than they did in the old days. With arm and shoulder injuries so common these days, you have to protect your pitchers.

Having said that though, I did not realize Arroyo was only at 108, I thought he was up around 120. I think he could have started another inning.


its a long season and narron was probably trying to save a little wear and tear on bronson's arm. of course, if this bullpen continues pitching as poorly as it has been all year long it really is not gonna matter much how fresh arroyo's arm is in the second half of the season. the simple fact is the bullpen needs to be reworked. the sooner the better.

[dman]

Times are a lot different. We now have 12 year old kids throwing breaking balls on regular basis and 18 year olds having Tommy John surgery. Pitchers nowadays are also throwing at a higher rate of speed than they did in the old days. With arm and shoulder injuries so common these days, you have to protect your pitchers.

Having said that though, I did not realize Arroyo was only at 108, I thought he was up around 120. I think he could have started another inning.
We weren't allowed to throw breaking pitches until High School ball in my leagues. If we did, the pitchers were removed from the game and if it continued the game would be forfeited.

[biggergipper]

clarification? who gets the win on this one?

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Mientkiewicz pops out to Lopez to end the game

Great job Coffey:clap: :clap:

[GOREDSGO32]

We win, but this shouldn't let the bullpen off the hook. Who got the win? Did Weathers end up with a win out of it? LOL

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clarification? who gets the win on this one?
Weathers, somehow :bang:

[KoryMac5]

With an average bullpen the Reds would have a good grasp on first.

[Gandalf the Red]

Weathers, somehow :bang:

I wish it could be his "lovely parting gift." [/Pat Sajak]

[jimbo]

We weren't allowed to throw breaking pitches until High School ball in my leagues. If we did, the pitchers were removed from the game and if it continued the game would be forfeited.

I wasn't when I played either, but that was back in the early 80's. My dad forbid me to even think about throwing a breaking ball until I got into high school. Today, you see them throwing them in Little League.

[biggergipper]

seriously? I thought the official scorer didn't have to award the win if the pitcher came in and was terrible.

[MasonBuzz3]

Along with Weathers picking up the W, Hammond gets credited with a Hold. The bullpen can't be that bad, they picked up a win, a hold and a save after all ;)

[KoryMac5]

They are showing it on Yahoo as a win for Weathers

[CincyReds2003]

Along with Weathers picking up the W, Hammond gets credited with a Hold. The bullpen can't be that bad, they picked up a win, a hold and a save after all ;)



Ha ha ha!! Whatever you're smoking Spicoli, please share it with the rest of us!!! JK!!!

[biggergipper]

from a message perspective I really hope they make a move tomorrow with hammond or weathers. i get the feeling the guys upstairs feel like they owe the veterans a longer leash, but hammond is clearly d-o-n-e. he had a stretch at the end of may/early june where he pitched well but i am of the opinion that it was more missing bats than good pitching. i think a move would send a message about complacency and expectations. blowing a three run lead to the royals should be unacceptable - win or loss.

[jimbo]

from a message perspective I really hope they make a move tomorrow with hammond or weathers. i get the feeling the guys upstairs feel like they owe the veterans a longer leash, but hammond is clearly d-o-n-e. he had a stretch at the end of may/early june where he pitched well but i am of the opinion that it was more missing bats than good pitching. i think a move would send a message about complacency and expectations. blowing a three run lead to the royals should be unacceptable - win or loss.

I realize that Hammond was not exactly at his best tonight, but he did get the double play ball that Lopez messed up that would have kept a Reds lead going into the 9th.

[biggergipper]

I realize that Hammond was not exactly at his best tonight, but he did get the double play ball that Lopez messed up that would have kept a Reds lead going into the 9th.

I just feel like teams are sitting on that 65 mph breaking pitch and just crushing it. he is guaranteed to throw it once an at bat and it seems like guys are seeing it and hitting it.

I think the defense is atrocious but at least lopez and ee (when in the lineup) make up for it at the plate.

[biggergipper]

when it comes to the veterans I can stomach rich arilleo (Ron Santo pronounciation) in the four hole, but I am tired of seeing the same ole tired arms run out there in the 7th and 8th. both the post and enquirer indicated that the change had been made on set up roles - to standridge and belisle, but jerry must not read the paper.

[jimbo]

I just feel like teams are sitting on that 65 mph breaking pitch and just crushing it. he is guaranteed to throw it once an at bat and it seems like guys are seeing it and hitting it.

I think the defense is atrocious but at least lopez and ee (when in the lineup) make up for it at the plate.

Can't argue with you there. Hammond has to have his location down or he will get shelled. He did get the double play ball though, too bad it was after the first two hitters hit him quite hard.