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reds44
07-03-2006, 12:50 PM
Felipe Lopez SS Series .273 9 30
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Adam Dunn LF Series .227 26 53
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Ken Griffey Jr. CF Series .259 17 47
vs. pitcher .333 1 3

Rich Aurilia 3B Series .265 10 31
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Scott Hatteberg 1B Series .291 6 22
vs. pitcher .400 0 0

Brandon Phillips 2B Series .323 7 44
vs. pitcher .500 0 0

Austin Kearns RF Series .270 15 47
vs. pitcher .400 1 2

Jason LaRue C Series .183 4 11
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Aaron Harang P Series .200 0 1
vs. pitcher --- 0 0



Starting Pitcher

Name Series/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA

Aaron Harang P Series 9 5 0 3.45
vs. Brewers 1 0 0 2.57



Milwaukee Brewers
Lineup

Name Series/vs AVG HR RBI

Rickie Weeks 2B Series .273 7 26
vs. pitcher .333 0 0

Bill Hall SS Series .263 16 39
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Geoff Jenkins RF Series .257 7 45
vs. pitcher .200 0 0

Carlos Lee LF Series .284 25 66
vs. pitcher .333 1 2

Prince Fielder 1B Series .279 16 43
vs. pitcher .167 0 1

Corey Koskie 3B Series .266 11 31
vs. pitcher .600 0 0

Damian Miller C Series .270 5 27
vs. pitcher .200 0 0

Gabe Gross CF Series .260 7 22
vs. pitcher 1.000 0 0

Dave Bush P Series .156 0 2
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

oneupper
07-03-2006, 01:08 PM
Phillips seems to have earned himself a promotion from 7th to 6th..

Aurilia now a fixture at cleanup...

LaRue has become Harang's catcher...

Jpup
07-03-2006, 01:18 PM
why Narron can't flip Aurilia and Kearns, I will never know. :help: Why is he playing anyway, Freel would be a better option.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 01:23 PM
why Narron can't flip Aurilia and Kearns, I will never know. :help: Why is he playing anyway, Freel would be a better option.

Narron has been able to put Dunn in the 2 hole...but this:

Freel
Lopez
DUNN
GRIFFEY

he can't quite fathom yet...

pedro
07-03-2006, 01:24 PM
why Narron can't flip Aurilia and Kearns, I will never know. :help: Why is he playing anyway, Freel would be a better option.

he doesn;t want to stack all those K's in a row FWIW.

Jpup
07-03-2006, 01:37 PM
he doesn;t want to stack all those K's in a row FWIW.

an Aurilia ground out works better for him. :bang:

CTA513
07-03-2006, 01:40 PM
I wonder how many other teams have a utility guy batting 4th...

:mooner:

pedro
07-03-2006, 01:40 PM
an Aurilia ground out works better for him. :bang:

apparently. although it hasn't helped that kearns really hasn't played that well lately.

traderumor
07-03-2006, 01:43 PM
I'm equally as frustrated with Aurilia in the cleanup spot. He was a consistent rally killer this weekend. It really doesn't matter what Kearns has been doing in the last few games, he is a much more reasonable option at cleanup than Rich. In that lineup, flip Aurilia and Kearns, and Narron would be right on.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 01:43 PM
They are comfortable with the current 3b situation and are in no hurry to bring EE back. He will return after the break(although they may option him to AAA).

pedro
07-03-2006, 01:45 PM
They are comfortable with the current 3b situation and are in no hurry to bring EE back. He will return after the break(although they may option him to AAA).

no way they option EE to AAA.

CTA513
07-03-2006, 01:46 PM
They are comfortable with the current 3b situation and are in no hurry to bring EE back. He will return after the break(although they may option him to AAA).

I dont know if they option him to AAA later, but I have a feeling they will leave him in the minors till his rehab time is up and they are forced to make a move.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 01:47 PM
no way they option EE to AAA.If RA is good enough to be the cleanup hitter against both RH and LH pitching I don't see how EE gets his job back. We already know they like Aurilia better defensively.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 01:48 PM
I dont know if they option him to AAA later, but I have a feeling they will leave him in the minors till his rehab time is up and they are forced to make a move.what move?

Jpup
07-03-2006, 01:49 PM
apparently. although it hasn't helped that kearns really hasn't played that well lately.

Austin Kearns Last 5 Games

6 for 21 2 HR 4 RBI .286/.348/.619/1.067

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 01:49 PM
We already know they like Aurilia better defensively.

Siggghhh.....can we start a "sticky" thread for beating the "Narron hates EE" topic to death?

CTA513
07-03-2006, 01:49 PM
what move?

Off the DL.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 01:50 PM
Austin Kearns Last 5 Games

6 for 21 2 HR 4 RBI .286/.348/.619/1.067he strikes out too much :help:

reds44
07-03-2006, 01:50 PM
Siggghhh.....can we start a "sticky" thread for beating the "Narron hates EE" topic to death?
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47192&page=10

He doesn't 'hate' Edwin, he loves Rich and Hatte.

CTA513
07-03-2006, 01:51 PM
Siggghhh.....can we start a "sticky" thread for beating the "Narron hates EE" topic to death?

It should be labeled "Narrons in love with the old guys".

:fineprint

flyer85
07-03-2006, 01:52 PM
Off the DL.I don't see the move. They like RA at 3rd, are enamored with "golden hands" (and I always thought that was Moises) and like QM as a PH and are seemingly stuck on 3 cathers.

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Ltlabner
Siggghhh.....can we start a "sticky" thread for beating the "Narron hates EE" topic to death?

reds44: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...=47192&page=10

Good..so it's agreed that the "Narron hates EE" horse will only be beaten in that thread from here on out? That's great...leaves more time to talk baseball.

CTA513
07-03-2006, 01:54 PM
I don't see the move. They like RA at 3rd, are enamored with "golden hands" (and I always thought that was Moises) and like QM as a PH and are seemingly stuck on 3 cathers.

I wouldnt be surprised, they seem to like the old slow veterans.

:laugh:

flyer85
07-03-2006, 01:55 PM
I wouldnt be surprised, they seem to like the old slow veterans.

:laugh:if there was a move they really wanted to make, EE would be back as he is quite obviously healthy and swinging the bat well.

pedro
07-03-2006, 02:00 PM
Austin Kearns Last 5 Games

6 for 21 2 HR 4 RBI .286/.348/.619/1.067

I hope he keeps it up. His OPS in June was .771

I also hope you guys are wrong about EE. Honestly, I don't see it, but you never know.

I just have a hard time believing they'll keep his bat out of the lineup.

reds44
07-03-2006, 02:01 PM
I hope he keeps it up. His OPS in June was .771

I also hope you guys are wrong about EE. Honestly, I don't see it, but you never know.

I just have a hard time believing they'll keep his bat out of the lineup.
It's about keeping Rich's bat in the lineup.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:02 PM
I just have a hard time believing they'll keep his bat out of the lineup.that's what they are doing right now.:help:

Chip R
07-03-2006, 02:02 PM
I can understand the 2:00 start tomorrow but why today?

pedro
07-03-2006, 02:02 PM
It's about keeping Rich's bat in the lineup.

That's sure led to a lot of wins over the last month.........

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:02 PM
In the context of game observations, you are inevitably going to be confronted with the inescapable thoughts of people that Narron loves him some aged ballplayers and that EE should be up. I don't know how you can segregate that conversation. You can pretend it isn't the case all you want, but then you hit actual games and Aurilia is batting 4th against a rightie once again, while EE is elsewhere.

pedro
07-03-2006, 02:04 PM
that's what they are doing right now.:help:

He's on a rehab. If they don't bring him back up at the AS break that's when I'll buy into your theory.

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:04 PM
You can pretend it isn't the case all you want, but then you hit actual games and Aurilia is batting 4th against a rightie once again, while EE is elsewhere.

You can also pretend you know everything that is going on behind the sceens despite not being privy to any of that information.

reds44
07-03-2006, 02:04 PM
That's sure led to a lot of wins over the last month.........
Don't tell Narron about logic.

This is the guy that bats Rich 4th vs. RHP, brings Weathers into the game in the 8th, and doesn't have Shack ready to face Pronk.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:05 PM
You can pretend it isn't the case all you want, but then you hit actual games and Aurilia is batting 4th against a rightie once again, while EE is elsewhere.... it doesn't even take any "reading between the lines". If they thought that having EE playing 3rd and in the lineup made them better EE would be in Milwaukee with the team.

reds44
07-03-2006, 02:05 PM
You can also pretend you know everything that is going on behind the sceens despite not being privy to any of that information.
Edwin has played 6 games in a row in Louisville and 11 innings yesterday. He also went 3-5 yesterday.

Don't tell me he isn't ready.

pedro
07-03-2006, 02:06 PM
... it doesn't even take any "reading between the lines". If they thought that having EE playing 3rd and in the lineup made them better EE would be in Milwaukee with the team.

That's under the assumption that he's really 100% healthy. Have you checked his ankle yourself? I haven't.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:06 PM
He's on a rehab. AND ... is obviously healthy and swinging the bat well so the rehab becomes pointless.

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
If they thought that having EE playing 3rd and in the lineup made them better EE would be in Milwaukee with the team.

Unless, of course, there is something goin on behind the sceens of which you are not aware.

reds44
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
That's under the assumption that he's really 100% healthy. Have you checked his ankle yourself? I haven't.
Then why has he played 6 in a row and 11 innings yesterday?

If he can do it in AAA, he can do it up here.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
Lopez takes a ball low & we are underway

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
That's under the assumption that he's really 100% healthy. Have you checked his ankle yourself? you don't get an ankle healthy by playing on it. That will only make it worse.

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
Thank you. What flyer said. There isn't any need to look hard for a conspiracy. EE is healthy. He is raking. And he isn't here. Instead, we have Aurilia and Castro manning third base while WK twiddles his thumbs over the need to make a roster move. It is what it is. But it's clear that EE is being mothballed for reasons right now that have NOTHING to do with whether or not he can help this team win. It's ridiculous.

pedro
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
Unless, of course, there is something goin on behind the sceens of which you are not aware.

Exactly, they could be in trying to make a trade to clear a roster spot. We just don't know.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:08 PM
Lopez grounds to second, 1 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:09 PM
Dunn lines a double to right-center

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 02:09 PM
Dunn has been hitting a lot better lately

pedro
07-03-2006, 02:09 PM
Honesty I can't take all this manic depressive mood swings around here.

You guys have fun pissing and moaning.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:10 PM
But it's clear that EE is being mothballed for reasons right now that have NOTHING to do with whether or not he can help this team win.... there just isn't a move the FO wants to make at this point. Honestly I think they are waiting and hoping something will happen to open a spot and that way they don't lose anyone.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:10 PM
Griffey grounds to first, Dunn goes to third. 2 out

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:11 PM
No one's pissing and moaning, pedro. There is a genuine query about why EE isn't here. It's a legitimate topic for conversation, as is, mind you, Narron's obsession with using Weathers in close and late situations at this point.

Having said that, I sincerely hope Aurilia comes through here. But I am not holding my breath.

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 02:11 PM
Nice swing by Rich on a 1-0 pitch about a foot outside.

Then he singles in Dunn.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 02:12 PM
Let's get on with criticizing the game that going on...please...

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:12 PM
Aurilia lines a hit to right, 1-0 Reds

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:12 PM
You guys have fun pissing and moaning.just observing an explaining. I haven't complained at all about EE not being brought back, just explained what is going on. It is there perogative to keep EE down as long as they want. His coming back will make this team marginally better but won't do anything to solve the real issues.

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:12 PM
There! See, my obsession with banging on Aurilia pays off!

Kc61
07-03-2006, 02:13 PM
Thank you. What flyer said. There isn't any need to look hard for a conspiracy. EE is healthy. He is raking. And he isn't here. Instead, we have Aurilia and Castro manning third base while WK twiddles his thumbs over the need to make a roster move. It is what it is. But it's clear that EE is being mothballed for reasons right now that have NOTHING to do with whether or not he can help this team win. It's ridiculous.

Maybe EE is engaged in intensive fielding practice. That's my bet.

As RA knocks in the first run of the day with a two out single.

reds44
07-03-2006, 02:13 PM
Thats another week in AAA for Edwin.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:14 PM
Hatteberg walks on 4 pitches

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:15 PM
just observing an explaining. I haven't complained at all about EE not being brought back, just explained what is going on. It is there perogative to keep EE down as long as they want. His coming back will make this team marginally better but won't do anything to solve the real issues with this team

Yes, but you are "explaining what is going on" as if you have an idea what is really going on. Unless you are involved in the day to day Red's decision making process and aren't telling us, you really have no idea what is really going on for certian.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:16 PM
Maybe EE is engaged in intensive fielding practice. That's my bet.
there just isn't a move the FO wants to make at the moment. It really seems to be as simple as that.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:17 PM
Phillips grounds to short on a 3-2 pitch, almost beats the throw to first. 1-0 Reds middle of 1

Reds Fanatic
07-03-2006, 02:18 PM
Bush throws 21 pitches in the 1st.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 02:19 PM
Phillips was remarkably patient on that AB....

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 02:20 PM
Phillips was remarkably patient on that AB....

His plate discipline has improved a lot since the middle of May.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:20 PM
Weeks check-swing grounds to Phillips, 1 out

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:20 PM
Yes, but you are "explaining what is going on" as if you have an idea what is really going on.a lot can be gathered by observation. If RA is such a good offensive player that he is the best cleanup hitter on this team the questions about EE become moot. Either the prior abot RA is true or Narron is completely mismanaging this lineup, there really isn't any middle ground on this one.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:22 PM
Hall lines one off of Lopez's glove for a single

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 02:22 PM
That ball needs to be caught, IMO.

dsmith421
07-03-2006, 02:22 PM
If:

a. Encarnacion is healthy enough to play every day at the major league level, and
b. The front office is delaying calling him back up either because they 1) prefer Castro and Aurilia or 2) are trying to make a roster move,

then the bottom line is this: the front office is actively impairing the Reds' ability to win ballgames. And that should never happen.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 02:22 PM
Lopez jumped just a bit early...

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 02:23 PM
Should have been caught

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:24 PM
Jenkins flies to Dunn, 2 out

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:24 PM
a lot can be gathered by observation. If RA is such a good offensive player that he is the best cleanup hitter on this team the questions about EE become moot. Either the prior abot RA is true or Narron is completely mismanaging this lineup.

*Or they are giving RA some playing time to up his value for a trade...
*Or EE himself doesn't think is ankle is ready...
*Or they want to be 1000% positive EE is ready becuase he's the 3B of the future and they don't want to rush him now and hurt him for later...
*Or EE has caused some sort of trouble in the clubhouse and they are reluctant to bring him back...

So this isn't an "either or" situation. There are other explinations, that again, you are not privy to.

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:24 PM
If:

a. Encarnacion is healthy enough to play every day at the major league level, and
b. The front office is delaying calling him back up either because they 1) prefer Castro and Aurilia or 2) are trying to make a roster move,

then the bottom line is this: the front office is actively impairing the Reds' ability to win ballgames. And that should never happen.

Standing ovation on this post. Perfect summation of the issue.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:25 PM
Lee grounds to Aurilia, 1-0 Reds after 1

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:25 PM
Unless, of course, there is something goin on behind the sceens of which you are not aware.usually the simplest and most straight forward explanantion is the best one (they are just not inclined to bring EE back yet, for whatever the reason, which I believe is that are happy with RA at 3rd). None of the bench fodder is particularly marketable in the current environment.

Gallen5862
07-03-2006, 02:27 PM
Thanks for the pbp Tornon.

CTA513
07-03-2006, 02:27 PM
Hall lines one off of Lopez's glove for a single

Use a bigger glove and it would have been caught.

:evil:

reds44
07-03-2006, 02:28 PM
I'll be at the game tomorrow. Can't wait to see Arroyo in action.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:28 PM
*Or they are giving RA some playing time to up his value for a trade..... although there wouldn't seem to be a market for his services.


*Or EE himself doesn't think is ankle is ready...if true he wouldn't be playing everyday because the only way to heal an ankle sprain is rest and treatment.


*Or they want to be 1000% positive EE is ready becuase he's the 3B of the future and they don't want to rush him now and hurt him for later...see above


*Or EE has caused some sort of trouble in the clubhouse and they are reluctant to bring him back...would have nothing to do with injury or rehab and is just specualation without any objective support

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:29 PM
Kearns grounds to third, 1 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:29 PM
LaRue bounces one up the middle, great play by the SS. 2 out

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 02:30 PM
I wish the Reds had a 1b that could pick balls out of the dirt like that.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:31 PM
Harang Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 1-0 Reds middle of 2

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:31 PM
I wish the Reds had a 1b that could pick balls out of the dirt like that.they may, it just isn't Hatteberg.

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:33 PM
would have nothing to do with injury or rehab and is just specualation without any objective support

Ha....and your speculations must be fact, even though they are equally unsupported? So my scenarios are completley wacky but your completley unsupported idea that BC, The Kriv and Narron all have it in for EE and want him gone makes total sense. Hahahahah

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:34 PM
Fielder Ks swinging, 1 out

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:34 PM
.. although there wouldn't seem to be a market for his services.

Nor was there any apparent market for Rick White and Dave Williams....yet they were picked up. Just beacuse you believe something to be true doesn't make it so.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:35 PM
Koskie pops to Aurilia, 2 out

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 02:36 PM
Wow, what an awful strike call on Koskie.

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:36 PM
Nor was there any apparent market for Rick White and Dave Williams....yet they were picked up. Just beacuse you believe something to be true doesn't make it so.

Only after they were DFAd. Are you suggesting the Reds DFA Aurilia? Because if so, I am listening. But I am guessing they are not going to do that, nor that you are suggesting that...

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:37 PM
Miller bloops a single in front of Kearns

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Only after they were DFAd. Are you suggesting the Reds DFA Aurilia? Because if so, I am listening. But I am guessing they are not going to do that, or that you are suggesting that...

No. I had posted a list of other possibilities for why EE is still in Louisville, one of which being they were giving RA more time in an atempt to trade him. Flyer85 said there wasn't much market for him. I responded with what you copied.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:38 PM
The Kriv and Narron all have it in for EE and want him gone makes total sense.I have never said anything of the sort. I have simply said "at the moment they are happy with RA at 3rd".

trying to create a trade market for RA is one those things that makes no sense for a vet like, RA. Everyone knows what he is.

You don't get healty by playing on a sprained ankle, it it silly to speculate otherwise.

If EE is a clubhouse problem, sending him out on an extended rehad is a strange way to address it unless you are completely non-confrontational.

The explanations I made are the ones that make the most sense when a little deductive reasoning is applied ... and it has nothing to do with a conspiracy against EE.

The whole EE thing is a bit of a red herring in the sense that he isn't going to fix what ails this team.

LincolnparkRed
07-03-2006, 02:38 PM
help me out here since I don't see a lot of games, does Kearns not get good jumps on many balls?? He always seems to be around the balls but they usually seem to be dropping in front of him or just out of his reach.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Gross grounds one by Phillips up the middle

oneupper
07-03-2006, 02:39 PM
Gross grounds one by Phillips up the middle

Two hits...neither well hit.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:39 PM
Bush lines to Kearns, 1-0 Reds after 2

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:40 PM
help me out here since I don't see a lot of games, does Kearns not get good jumps on many balls?? He always seems to be around the balls but they usually seem to be dropping in front of him or just out of his reach.

Kearns has great instincts & usually gets great jumps.. he just isn't very fast at all

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:40 PM
No. I had posted a list of other possibilities for why EE is still in Louisvilleand none of them made any sense.

LincolnparkRed
07-03-2006, 02:41 PM
Kearns has great instincts & usually gets great jumps.. he just isn't very fast at all

that is what I thought but saying I normally only hear about him or see what makes sportscenter I thought I would ask.

Ltlabner
07-03-2006, 02:42 PM
The whole EE thing is a bit of a red herring in the sense that he isn't going to fix what ails this team.

And on this I agree 100% and is why I can't understand why people continue to beat RA, scrappy vet love, Narron doesn't like EE topics to death. I mean, the rest of the board figured out about 100,000,000 posts ago that some of you don't agree with Narron continuing to play RA and bat him at clean up. We get it. Just as annoying as it is for some of you to hear the "Dunn doesn't hit with RISP" is this piss and moan topic dejour to some of us.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:43 PM
Lopez flies to center, 1 out

Kc61
07-03-2006, 02:44 PM
And on this I agree 100% and is why I can't understand why people continue to beat RA, scrappy vet love, Narron doesn't like EE topics to death. I mean, the rest of the board figured out about 100,000,000 posts ago that some of you don't agree with Narron continuing to play RA and bat him at clean up. We get it. Just as annoying as it is for some of you to hear the "Dunn doesn't hit with RISP" is this piss and moan topic dejour to some of us.

Over the last two years, Redszone could be renamed "Aurilia is the root of all evil" zone.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:44 PM
And on this I agree 100% and is why I can't understand why people continue to beat RAI have said nothing against RA through this entire episode outside of the fact he isn't a cleanup hitter, which is obviously not a shock to anyone (maybe other than Narron).

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:45 PM
Dunn Ks swinging, 2 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:47 PM
Griffey Ks looking, 1-0 Reds middle of 3

flyer85
07-03-2006, 02:48 PM
this has the look of a game where the HR will decide it.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:49 PM
Weeks bloops the first pitch to center, Griffey makes a nice diving catch. 1 out

Reds Fanatic
07-03-2006, 02:50 PM
Nice catch by Junior.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:50 PM
Hall lines one over the RF wall, 1-1 game

membengal
07-03-2006, 02:51 PM
I hate Bill Hall.

Reds Fanatic
07-03-2006, 02:51 PM
The Reds Killer ties it with a homer.

Gallen5862
07-03-2006, 02:51 PM
How hard of a hit was the Homerun?

CTA513
07-03-2006, 02:52 PM
Reds pitching: Get behind in the count, must give up homerun.


:help:

oneupper
07-03-2006, 02:53 PM
How hard of a hit was the Homerun?

Not a screamer, barely over the fence in right center. But still well hit.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:53 PM
Jenkins Ks swinging at a 3-2 pitch, 2 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Lee flies to Kearns, 1-1 after 3

Gallen5862
07-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Thanks oneupper. Hopefully the pitching keeps us in the game.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:57 PM
Aurilia grounds to short, 1 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:58 PM
Hatteberg grounds to second, 2 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 02:59 PM
Phillips lines a single to center

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Bush throwing strikes now...

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:01 PM
Kearns.. gone to left-center. 3-1 Reds

Reds Fanatic
07-03-2006, 03:01 PM
Kearns with a long homer! 3-1 Reds

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:01 PM
:kearns:

:jump:

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:02 PM
Nice job AK! The Brewers' announcer less than thrilled about announcing that on the radio (not Uecker, the other one). Interrupted his non-stop for two innings plea for votes for Capuano for the All-Star game.

reds44
07-03-2006, 03:02 PM
Ears!!!!!!!!

3-1!!!!

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:02 PM
LaRue flies to left-center on the edge of the warning track, 3-1 Reds middle of 4

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:02 PM
Important HR by Kearns

Win Expectancy just went from 45% to 68.4%

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:05 PM
REDS will be seeing the Brewers NINE times this month.
You could call it Beer Month if you like...
In any case, if REDS can dominate...it will turn the Brewers into sellers at the deadline..

Not sure if that is good thing (well, the domination is).

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:05 PM
Fielder flies to Kearns at the wall, 1 out

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:05 PM
Important HR by Kearns

Win Expectancy just went from 45% to 68.4%


So those runs Kearns put on the board were win effective? :mooner:

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:06 PM
Koskie pops to Lopez on the first pitch, 2 out

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:06 PM
So those runs Kearns put on the board were win effective? :mooner:

Yes, they were! :mooner:

On a more serious note.. That HR doesn't show up in RISP or late and close...but it can be more important that a hit in those situations.

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:07 PM
It is nice (and smart) that Narron planned ahead by skipping Mays a week ago to get it lined up for Harang/Arroyo/Ramirez against the Brewers this series. Two of three here (or, please, a sweep) would go a long way toward taking the starch out of Milwaukee's sails as the break draws close.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:08 PM
Miller Ks swinging, 53 pitches for Harang. 3-1 Reds after 4

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:08 PM
By the way, it is very hard for me to convey just how much the Brewers' radio team is flogging the Capuano for the All-star team stuff. It is constant.

reds44
07-03-2006, 03:09 PM
Miller Ks swinging, 53 pitches for Harang. 3-1 Reds after 4
Good a CG would be nice.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:09 PM
It is nice (and smart) that Narron planned ahead by skipping Mays a week ago to get it lined up for Harang/Arroyo/Ramirez against the Brewers this series. Two of three here (or, please, a sweep) would go a long way toward taking the starch out of Milwaukee's sails as the break draws close.

I was against that at the time...I think I might have been wrong. As much as our offerings were weak against Cleveland, the Brewers KILL lefties.

Joseph
07-03-2006, 03:10 PM
By the way, it is very hard for me to convey just how much the Brewers' radio team is flogging the Capuano for the All-star team stuff. It is constant.

We'd be doing the same were it Harang or Phillips.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:10 PM
Harang gets hit by a pitch

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:10 PM
By the way, it is very hard for me to convey just how much the Brewers' radio team is flogging the Capuano for the All-star team stuff. It is constant.

Capuano is a hell of a pitcher. They'd have a better case for him if Harang had made the All Star team, as he and Harang have posted almost identical numbers this season.

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Harang plunked.

May have been intentional after Harang almost took Fielders head off....who knows.

reds44
07-03-2006, 03:11 PM
OBP machine!

ha

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Lopez lines to first, easy double play. 2 out

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Capuano is a hell of a pitcher. They'd have a better case for him if Harang had made the All Star team, as he and Harang have posted almost identical numbers this season.

We haven't seen Capuano this season...for which I am glad.

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:12 PM
By the way, it is very hard for me to convey just how much the Brewers' radio team is flogging the Capuano for the All-star team stuff. It is constant.

Must be a directive coming from upper management:

From TSN's Inside Dish:

Since the start of the 2005 season, Brewers LHP Chris Capuano has gone 27-16. This year he has cut his walks rate in half, and his strikeouts-to-walk ratio is 4.2-to-1. Brewers G.M. Doug Melvin says Capuano, not Mets LHP Tom Glavine, should get the All-Star start. "Chris is almost like a lefthanded (Greg) Maddux," Melvin says. "He's very bright, knows how to set up hitters and doesn't panic. He has a lot of the intangibles that pitchers without great stuff have to have to become winners." Capuano, 27, stands to make a killing in his first run at arbitration this winter

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:12 PM
That ball hit the ground!

(The FeLo liner, that is!)

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Dunn lines a homer foul, then lines a single to right

ochre
07-03-2006, 03:14 PM
Yes, they were! :mooner:

On a more serious note.. That HR doesn't show up in RISP or late and close...but it can be more important that a hit in those situations.
Have you seen the Reds bullpen? They turn key 3 run homers early in the game into close and late situations regularly. :)

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:15 PM
Not saying they are wrong to be pushing him (Capuano), but it's a little frustrating because I still feel Harang got woefully overlooked in this process as well, and at least Capuano has made the run-off vote thing. Harang's first half was absolutely rock solid. He has a chance to make the all-star break with 11 wins, top three in Ks in the NL (if not all of baseball) and a sub 3.50 ERA. Really, unreal how good Harang has been, and pretty damn annonymously too.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:15 PM
Have you seen the Reds bullpen? They turn key 3 run homers early in the game into close and late situations regularly. :)

Nope, haven't seen they yet...for which I'm grateful. :)

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:16 PM
Griffey Ks looking, 3-1 Reds middle of 5

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:16 PM
Harang v. Capuano by the numbers:


IP W L CG SH SV BB K HLD ERA WHIP
C. Capuano
120.0 9 4 1 1 0 25 106 0 3.45 1.22

A. Harang
112.1 9 5 3 2 0 28 109 0 3.45 1.26

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:16 PM
Griffey Ks looking, 3-1 Reds middle of 5

:eek: Griffey took one right down the middle :eek:

ochre
07-03-2006, 03:18 PM
Must be a directive coming from upper management:

From TSN's Inside Dish:

Since the start of the 2005 season, Brewers LHP Chris Capuano has gone 27-16. This year he has cut his walks rate in half, and his strikeouts-to-walk ratio is 4.2-to-1. Brewers G.M. Doug Melvin says Capuano, not Mets LHP Tom Glavine, should get the All-Star start. "Chris is almost like a lefthanded (Greg) Maddux," Melvin says. "He's very bright, knows how to set up hitters and doesn't panic. He has a lot of the intangibles that pitchers without great stuff have to have to become winners." Capuano, 27, stands to make a killing in his first run at arbitration this winter
Wow. That reads like a GM both dreading the upcoming arbitration and earnestly pushing for his player to make the AS game all in the same little blurb. He doesn't have much stuff (arbitrators take note), but he sure gets teh most out of it (please vote for him).

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:18 PM
Capuano's better. Less BB's, lower WHIP. ;)

CTA513
07-03-2006, 03:18 PM
That ball hit the ground!

(The FeLo liner, that is!)

Its just another bad call that went against he Reds.

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:20 PM
Wow. That reads like a GM both dreading the upcoming arbitration and earnestly pushing for his player to make the AS game all in the same little blurb. He doesn't have much stuff (arbitrators take note), but he sure gets teh most out of it (please vote for him).

Yeah, that 'he has the intangibles that pitchers without great stuff have to have' line cracks me up. :laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:20 PM
In other news, Homer Bailey pitches lights out again last night AA.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:21 PM
Gross lines a single to right

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:21 PM
In other news, Homer Bailey pitches lights out again last night AA.


Good for him. Glad he's making a home for himself in AA. :thumbup:

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:21 PM
Bush pops a bunt up to LaRue, 1 out

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Good for him. Glad he's making a home for himself in AA. :thumbup:

You should have kept that one in your back pocket. ;)

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Good for him. Glad he's making a home for himself in AA. :thumbup:

He's dominating....17 total innings, 0 total runs and 9 more K's added to his total yesterday.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:24 PM
Weeks grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, 3-1 Reds after 5

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:24 PM
You should have kept that one in your back pocket. ;)

Yeah, probably so. :laugh:

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:24 PM
Weeks grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, 3-1 Reds after 5
Aurilia has been lurking this site :)

reds44
07-03-2006, 03:25 PM
BP turns the DP like no other.

LincolnparkRed
07-03-2006, 03:25 PM
By the way, it is very hard for me to convey just how much the Brewers' radio team is flogging the Capuano for the All-star team stuff. It is constant.

The white sox did the same thing for Scotty Pods last year, it was pathetic

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:27 PM
Aurilia pops an 0-2 pitch to third in foul territory, 1 out

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:27 PM
He's dominating....17 total innings, 0 total runs and 9 more K's added to his total yesterday.

There's a good post in Down on the Farm where someone says they were reading another message board that had an actual firsthand scouting report of Homer -- said he's tipping his changeup by changing his arm speed when he throws it, but his fastball is so dominant that it compensates completely.

That worries me a bit.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:29 PM
Hatteberg grounds a single up the middle

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:29 PM
There's a good post in Down on the Farm where someone says they were reading another message board that had an actual firsthand scouting report of Homer -- said he's tipping his changeup by changing his arm speed when he throws it, but his fastball is so dominant that it compensates completely.

That worries me a bit.

Although, he is clearly in a place where they can work with him on that and he can still experience success (and then some) while doing so. At the least, Wk has pledged he is not moving beyond AA this season, so there is plenty of time for them to work on these kinds of issues with him.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:30 PM
Phillips flies to center, nice running catch. 2 out

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:30 PM
That worries me a bit.

Doesn't worry me. Just shows me he's not ready for the bigs yet. No big deal, most just turned 20 year olds aren't. He's not as far away as I originally thought, and for that, I'm very thankful.

As I say to myself:"*I will not talk about Homer Bailey anymore in the game thread"

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Phillips flies to center, nice running catch. 2 out

Phillips gave that one a ride...nice catch about 10 feet from the wall.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:32 PM
Kearns lines one down the 3B line that bounces off the umpire for a double. Hatteberg to third

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Ump costs the reds a run by standing in the way ;)

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Here would be a nice spot for LaRue to line a single somewhere to bring home two...

or not, as they are walking him.

Actually, Harang may be the better option in terms of getting a hit at this point as between he and LaRue...

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:33 PM
That 3B ump may have just cost the Reds a run.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Intentional walk to LaRue

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Ump costs the reds a run by standing in the way ;)

Or an out at home...Now Harang up with bases juiced.

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Harang will hit a grand slam. ;)

Or not.

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:34 PM
Doesn't worry me. Just shows me he's not ready for the bigs yet. No big deal, most just turned 20 year olds aren't. He's not as far away as I originally thought, and for that, I'm very thankful.

As I say to myself:"*I will not talk about Homer Bailey anymore in the game thread"

Hence why I said "a bit" worried -- as long as I know he's staying in AA, I don't really worry that much. Jayhawk Owens seems like he's not going to BS Bailey about what he can and can't do, and it sounds like they're going to keep hammering him on the need to develop his offspeed and breaking pitches.

It sounds like Bailey is in a perfect situation right now, honestly. I hope WayneK keeps his promise.

VR
07-03-2006, 03:34 PM
Kearns:clap:

He's been robbed of at least 3 hits in the last three games on diving stops by the 3b as well.

Joseph
07-03-2006, 03:34 PM
Is the only way to leave Wisconsin via the military? Seems to be a lot of Brewers fans emailing.

Just saying.

Bush didn't want any part of LaRue, fear the cowboy 'stache.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:35 PM
Harang Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 3-1 Reds middle of 6

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:35 PM
Let's go Lurch! :thumbup:

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:37 PM
Hall lines the first pitch softly to Kearns, 1 out

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:38 PM
Hence why I said "a bit" worried -- as long as I know he's staying in AA, I don't really worry that much. Jayhawk Owens seems like he's not going to BS Bailey about what he can and can't do, and it sounds like they're going to keep hammering him on the need to develop his offspeed and breaking pitches.

It sounds like Bailey is in a perfect situation right now, honestly. I hope WayneK keeps his promise.

Gotcha, and right there with ya. :thumbup:

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:38 PM
Jenkins lines the first pitch off the CF wall for a double

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:39 PM
Last two hits...HARD!

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:39 PM
Lee grounds to Aurilia, 2 out

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:40 PM
Fielder lines the first pitch to right for a single, Kearns with a bad throw to the plate that allows Fielder to go to second. 3-2 Reds

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:42 PM
Kearns should have hit the cutoff man with that throw instead of trying to get the runner at home.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:42 PM
Fielder lines the first pitch to right for a single, Kearns with a bad throw to the plate that allows Fielder to go to second. 3-2 Reds

IMO, LaRue had a shot a Fielder at second, but opted not to risk it.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:42 PM
Koskie walks on 4 pitches

CTA513
07-03-2006, 03:42 PM
Kearns had no chance at throwing that runner out at home.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 03:43 PM
hatberg should've cut that throw

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:43 PM
That may have been one of those "non-intentional intentional" walks...

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:43 PM
Harang's only at 78 pitches....hope he can settle down.

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:44 PM
Harang blows it. Unreal.

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:44 PM
Ouch...

3-3

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:45 PM
Miller lines a double to right, one run scored.. the runners were caught way off base but the throw got away from LaRue again and the runners get back to 2nd & 3rd. 3-3 game

CTA513
07-03-2006, 03:45 PM
Another lead bites the dust.

:thumbdown

redsfanmia
07-03-2006, 03:45 PM
Ross would have came up with that ball from phillips.

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:45 PM
Harang blows it. Unreal.

Very unusual for him to not protect a lead.

Hopefully the offense can get it back for him.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:45 PM
Intentional walk to Gross

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:46 PM
Did the Indians hit that walkoff grand slam Friday night or was it the Reds? You would never know with the way this team has played since that game.

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:46 PM
Difference between a good pitcher (Harang) and a great pitcher: A great pitcher makes a pitch to retire Damien Miller and end the inning.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:46 PM
Jeff Cirillo in to pinch hit

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Well, at least we get them to pull Bush.

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Difference between a good pitcher (Harang) and a great pitcher: A great pitcher makes a pitch to retire Damien Miller and end the inning.

Capuano would have gotten him out. :p: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Difference between a good pitcher (Harang) and a great pitcher: A great pitcher makes a pitch to retire Damien Miller and end the inning.

Harang could be great someday. He's developed very nicely since he was brought here.

Kc61
07-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Well, at least we get them to pull Bush.

Let's hope it still matters after Cirillo hits.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:48 PM
Let's hope it still matters after Cirillo hits.

I have faith.

CTA513
07-03-2006, 03:48 PM
Harang has been pretty wild today, I wouldnt be surprised if a run is walked in.
I just hope that doesnt happen.

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:48 PM
Difference between a good pitcher (Harang) and a great pitcher: A great pitcher makes a pitch to retire Damien Miller and end the inning.

True statement. Harang has made the leap to very good pitcher, in order to make the leap to great pitcher, that's the next step he has to take. When he does, the ERA will plummet to below 3.00 etc.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:49 PM
Cirillo dribbles one to Phillips, great barehand play to get the out. 3-3 after 6

Reds Fanatic
07-03-2006, 03:49 PM
Good play by Phillips to end the inning.

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:50 PM
...And a crappy pitcher, or the bullpen, would have let that inning get way out of control.

reds44
07-03-2006, 03:50 PM
Thank God for BP!

Reds Fanatic
07-03-2006, 03:50 PM
87 pitches through 6 innings for Harang.

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:50 PM
...And a crappy pitcher, or the bullpen, would have let that inning get way out of control.

Yeah if this game was in the bullpen's hands, that inning had 5+ runs written all over it.

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:51 PM
Harang now up to 87 pitches. Narron has to get somebody up (hopefully won't be needed).

flyer85
07-03-2006, 03:51 PM
Very unusual for him to not protect a lead.that's the bullpens job

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:51 PM
Brian Shouse in to pitch

Aronchis
07-03-2006, 03:51 PM
True statement. Harang has made the leap to very good pitcher, in order to make the leap to great pitcher, that's the next step he has to take. When he does, the ERA will plummet to below 3.00 etc.

Harang is what he is. A solid, inning eating number 3. That step, he will never take. What you have seen in of Harang going on the last 2 seasons, is what you get.

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:52 PM
...And a crappy pitcher, or the bullpen, would have let that inning get way out of control.

Yup -- above anything else Aaron Harang does, his most valuable contribution to the ballclub is his ability to go 110+ pitches deep into a ballgame. Even at 87 pitches, Narron can probably count on Harang to go at least through the 7th inning.

Tge fewer pitchers that trot out of the Reds bullpen, the better.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:53 PM
Lopez flies to the warning track in right-center.. that ball carried. 1 out

15fan
07-03-2006, 03:54 PM
Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but the Brewers starting 8 have incredibly similar BAs.

Weeks: .271
Hall: .268
Jenkins: .258
Lee: .282
Fielder: .280
Koskie: .264
Miller: .276
Gross: .274

That's a .024 difference between the best & worst BA in their starting lineup.

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:55 PM
Harang is what he is. A solid, inning eating number 3. That step, he will never take. What you have seen in of Harang going on the last 2 seasons, is what you get.

We'll see. You may very well be correct, but since I never expected Harang to get to this level of effictiveness, I am not ready to say that he cannot make another leap to being an ace. I am going to enjoy watching for that at any rate.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:55 PM
Dunn Ks trying to check his swing, 2 out

VR
07-03-2006, 03:55 PM
Harang is what he is. A solid, inning eating number 3. That step, he will never take. What you have seen in of Harang going on the last 2 seasons, is what you get.

A sub 3.5 era and top 3 in the league in K's and innings doesn't qualify as a #3. Aaron Harang has been the biggest overachiever in this system since his arrival....I wouldn't count him out as a potential high 2 or 1 very soon.

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:56 PM
Dunn Ks trying to check his swing, 2 out

Sidearm pitching should be illegal. :evil:

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:56 PM
Griffey.. gone!! 4-3 Reds

OnBaseMachine
07-03-2006, 03:56 PM
Griff!

46 short of 600.

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Griffey.. gone!! 4-3 Reds

Nice. Griffey = en fuego.

Matt700wlw
07-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Take that, shift!!

:griffey:

:jump:

reds44
07-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Junior!!!!!!!!!!!!!

membengal
07-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Lead given back to Harang...time for him to shut them back down. Thanks, Jr...

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Griffey takes Shouse out to LEFT!!!

redsfanmia
07-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Sidearm pitching should be illegal. :evil:

I dont understand why more guys dont throw sidearm. Its easier on your arm and harder for most hitters to pick up the ball.

Caveat Emperor
07-03-2006, 03:58 PM
Griffey takes Shouse out to LEFT!!!

Griffey, dare I say...Burning down the Shouse.

Aronchis
07-03-2006, 03:58 PM
A sub 3.5 era and top 3 in the league in K's and innings doesn't qualify as a #3. Aaron Harang has been the biggest overachiever in this system since his arrival....I wouldn't count him out as a potential high 2 or 1 very soon.

A sub 3.5ERA now, around 4.00era when the season ends, it wouldn't take much and Harang is going through a "uptick" right now. The guy is a 3. Literally. Accept that and stop trying to turn him into what he is not.

Tornon
07-03-2006, 03:59 PM
Aurilia grounds to third, 4-3 Reds middle of 7

oneupper
07-03-2006, 03:59 PM
I dont understand why more guys dont throw sidearm. Its easier on your arm and harder for most hitters to pick up the ball.

Isn't it harder to get any speed on the ball?

Coffeybro
07-03-2006, 03:59 PM
Griffey, dare I say...Burning down the Shouse.

CE after that bad pun I think your avatar is chasing you with that bat.