7/4 Reds vs Brewers Happy B-Day USA!!!

[kaldaniels]

BATTER GAME SEASON
AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS RBI TB BB K LOB AVG OBP SLG
B Phillips 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .322 .371 .457
A Dunn LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .234 .372 .550
K Griffey Jr. CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262 .311 .552
R Aurilia 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264 .314 .483
A Kearns RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .272 .347 .498
S Hatteberg 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292 .403 .447
D Ross C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318 .395 .709
J Castro SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318 .318 .500
B Arroyo P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .171 .227 .341
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - - -





PITCHER GAME SEASON
IP H R ER BB K HR PIT B-S BFP ERA Opp AVG
B Arroyo 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 2.58 .239

Ground Balls: B Arroyo 0
Fly Balls: B Arroyo 0



Milwaukee Brewers
BATTER GAME SEASON
AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS RBI TB BB K LOB AVG OBP SLG
R Weeks 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276 .361 .395
B Hall SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273 .325 .573
G Jenkins RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259 .325 .389
C Lee LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 .346 .569
P Fielder 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279 .333 .508
C Koskie 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263 .344 .486
D Miller C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275 .343 .446
G Gross CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .274 .371 .500
D Davis P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .065 .094 .065
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - - -





PITCHER GAME SEASON
IP H R ER BB K HR PIT B-S BFP ERA Opp AVG
D Davis 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 4.82 .264

[Falls City Beer]

I tell ya, I'm thrilled that Castro is starting in place of EdE. Because I know the Reds will need Castro's "defense" more than they need EdE's range and bat against one of the best pitchers in the NL Central, and a guy who routinely eats the Reds for lunch.

But I guess as long as Castro remains the 25th man, I shouldn't complain.

I'll say: Brew Crew 7, Reds 3

[redsrule2500]

I like this lineup.

[oneupper]

But I guess as long as Castro remains the 25th man, I shouldn't complain.




Is he? Or is this the beginning of a Lopez/Castro platoon? :eek:

[Falls City Beer]

Is he? Or is this the beginning of a Lopez/Castro platoon? :eek:

Sarcasm. It's absolutely the beginning of a Castro platoon. EE will stay in AAA.

[Matt700wlw]

Castro's last 2 starts were god awful, weren't they? :rolleyes:

I do agree EE should be up here

[cumberlandreds]

Is he? Or is this the beginning of a Lopez/Castro platoon? :eek:

I'm afraid you are right.:( Lopez hasn't hit leftys and I'm sure Narron wants Castro in there every chance he can get. I hope BA can go the distance today. I don't think I'm up to seeing any of the arsonists today.

[Falls City Beer]

Castro's last 2 starts were god awful, weren't they? :rolleyes:

I do agree EE should be up here

Yep. Castro hits a homer in the easiest homer park in the majors.

Send that bat to Cooperstown.

[cumberlandreds]

Castro's last 2 starts were god awful, weren't they? :rolleyes:

I do agree EE should be up here
I think it's a travesty EE isn't up with the big club. It's obvious he's healthy. If Narron and/or Krivsky dislikes him that much then he should be dealt. No excuses that he should be in AAA.

[flyer85]

If Narron and/or Krivsky dislikes him that much then he should be dealt. I think it is more likely they like Aurilia better. Afterall, he is the cleanup hitter.

[pedro]

Yup, Castro is surely keeping EE out of the lineup by playing SS.

[Falls City Beer]

Yup, Castro is surely keeping EE out of the lineup by playing SS.

He plays both SS and 3rd. And the bottom line is: Castro's in the lineup and Edwin isn't.

[RFS62]

Yup, Castro is surely keeping EE out of the lineup by playing SS.



Pretty smart, birthday boy

:beerme:

[Danny Serafini]

Yup, Castro is surely keeping EE out of the lineup by playing SS.

Hey now, don't get in the way of a good rant by using logic and stuff.

[CTA513]

Yup, Castro is surely keeping EE out of the lineup by playing SS.

Hes taking up a roster spot.

:eek:

[Falls City Beer]

Hes taking up a roster spot.

:eek:

:thumbup:

[pedro]

He plays both SS and 3rd. And the bottom line is: Castro's in the lineup and Edwin isn't.

Bottom line is that EE doesn't play SS so Castro isn't keeping him out of the lineup today.

Now, if you want to restate that claim substituting RA for Castro I think you'll have some takers......

[Falls City Beer]

Bottom line is that EE doesn't play SS so Castro isn't keeping him out of the lineup today.

Now, if you want to restate that claim substituting RA for Castro I think you'll have some takers......

RA/Castro--doesn't matter. Where they're positioned on a given day doesn't matter a bit.

I was told I was overreacting when I griped about Castro as the "25th man"--well, both Freel and Edwin have been cast aside for the likes of Castro (and Aurilia, too). When can I anticipate the arrival of Christian Guzman?

[pedro]

RA/Castro--doesn't matter. Where they're positioned on a given day doesn't matter a bit.

I was told I was overreacting when I griped about Castro as the "25th man"--well, both Freel and Edwin have been cast aside for the likes of Castro (and Aurilia, too). When can I anticipate the arrival of Christian Guzman?

That's a completely different argument which is not invalid but give it a rest, you misread the lineup and jumped to the wrong conclusion. At least be a mench and admit it.

[Matt700wlw]

Oh yeah...happy birthday to the greatest country in the world

:usa:

[Falls City Beer]

That's a completely different argument which is not invalid but give it a rest, you misread the lineup and jumped to the wrong conclusion. At least be a mench and admit it.

I misread it. But Castro started at third the other day. And that is not a different argument.

[Matt700wlw]

Yep. Castro hits a homer in the easiest homer park in the majors.

Send that bat to Cooperstown.

I didn't say that.

[37red]

I'm good with Phillips at the top.

[membengal]

Hooray!!!!!

Castro in place of Lopez!!!!!!!!

EE still in Lousiville!!!!!!!!

This team knows how to bring NL Central pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(to its fanbase)

[PuffyPig]

I'll say: Brew Crew 7, Reds 3

With All Star Bronson Arroyo on the mound, it's nice to see that you have confidence in your Reds.

[GAC]

Yup, Castro is surely keeping EE out of the lineup by playing SS.

You're spoiling everyone fun on this fine Holiday. :)

[membengal]

Castro is keeping EE in AAA by taking his place on the roster. Even you, GAC, have to admit that at this point.

[GAC]

That's a completely different argument which is not invalid but give it a rest, you misread the lineup and jumped to the wrong conclusion. At least be a mench and admit it.

This will happen first! :lol:

http://www.yankeecruisah.com/pic/street_seen/hell_freezes_over.jpg

[Matt700wlw]

Lopez......trade....

Hmmmm



???

[pedro]

Castro is keeping EE in AAA by taking his place on the roster. Even you, GAC, have to admit that at this point.

that will be disproved shorty by the Reds calling up EE and getting rid of someone else besides Castro.

I could just as easily say that QM is taking EE's roster spot.

[PuffyPig]

If Lopez was traded for much needed pitching help, with Freel going to 2nd, and Phillips becoming the everyday SS, that would improve the Reds.

Now, Castro as the full time SS in another thing.

[membengal]

Fine, Pedro. Then it should have already happened. Period. This team has been weakened in the last week by keeping EE's bat in AAA. No question about that. They have diddled and dallied and waited and hoped that someone would get hurt and make their decision for them. And that is stupid. Stupid to put themselves in a position where you mothball one of your team's best players. And that is what they did by bringing in Castro. No, I don't think Castro will go when WK finally gets off the pot, but I do think his presence here has sentenced EE to AAA while everyone hopes something will happen.

This is NOT one of WK's finest moments since he took over. At. All.

[Matt700wlw]

It's dollar hotdog day at Miller Park.




I'm hungry...

[Puffy]

Juan Castro has started 3 of the last 4 games. That should never, ever happen. And that was my main complaint when they reacquired him - a manager like Narron getting Castro on the roster means Narron finding new ways to start Castro. Thats a bad thing. Castro should start 3 games per 100, not 3 out of 4 - ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Oh, did I mention ever.

[GAC]

Castro is keeping EE in AAA by taking his place on the roster. Even you, GAC, have to admit that at this point.

As pedro has already eloquently pointed out - that is not the argument that was put forth on the first page of this thread.

That is.... Castro being on the roster.

But no - Castro is not keeping EE in AAA. An immediate roster move will be made when EE returns shortly.

You guys keep changing your stories on this EE thing.... first it was RA that got the blunt of your wrath. Now it's Castro simply being on the roster.

Valiums for everyone! EE will be back and standing at 3B very soon.

Until then - we now return you to your regularly scheduled rant.

I'm on vacation at a resort, and gonna head back down to the Gitchigoome Grill and toss a few back in memorium to EE! :lol:

[GAC]

that will be disproved shorty by the Reds calling up EE and getting rid of someone else besides Castro.

I could just as easily say that QM is taking EE's roster spot.



Shhhhhhhh!

You're doing it again pedro. ;)

[membengal]

GAC, read my response above (#32). Period. Castro's presence has caused them to delay while they make up their mind. If someone else had to go to make room to get EE back, then it should have done, one frickin' week ago. This whole thing is criminally stupid on the organization's part.

[George Foster]

Kearns has to be bummin' that Hatty is protecting him in the line up.

[Tornon]

Phillips takes strike one and we are underway

[membengal]

Shhhhhhhh!

You're doing it again pedro. ;)

Are you going to keep ignoring my greater point? Post #32. Try and respond to that without resorting to an icon, if you can.

[Matt700wlw]

Juan Castro has started 3 of the last 4 games. That should never, ever happen. And that was my main complaint when they reacquired him - a manager like Narron getting Castro on the roster means Narron finding new ways to start Castro. Thats a bad thing. Castro should start 3 games per 100, not 3 out of 4 - ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Oh, did I mention ever.

He shouldn't start regularly.It's fine if he does sometimes. He should be a late inning defensive replacement, primarily...(and has done well his last 2 starts). I believe Krivsky said that from his own mouth.

Somebody said it yesterday....it may have been Cutler....Jerry wasn't an everyday player...he feels for them, and wants them to get playing time.

[membengal]

Post #32, please, Pedro and GAC. Have you a response to that?

[Tornon]

Phillips bloops a leadoff single to right

[Tornon]

Phillips gets picked off (officially caught stealing)

[Matt700wlw]

Well, that wasn't good.

[flyer85]

that was smart

[pedro]

Fine, Pedro. Then it should have already happened. Period. This team has been weakened in the last week by keeping EE's bat in AAA. No questions about that. They have diddled and dallied and waited and hoped that someone would get hurt and make their decision for them. And that is stupid. Stupid to put themselves in a position where you mothball one of your team's best players. And that is what they did by bringing in Castro. No, I don't think Castro will go when WK finally gets off the pot, but I do think his presence here has sentenced EE to AAA while everyone hopes something will happen.

This is NOT one of WK's finest moments since he took over. At. All.

That's assuming that the Reds have no larger moves in play. It may well be that at the end of the season we'll look back at their handling of EE and say "what the hell were they thinking", and while I agree that it is somewhat perplexing right now we really don't know what they are thinking at this point. I'll judge Krivsky based on what he's accomplished at the end of the season.

[Gallen5862]

Was it close on the pickoff move?

[Tornon]

Dunn lines a single to right-center

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn gets another hit.

repeat that. it sounds nice.

Dunn gets another hit.

[George Foster]

He shouldn't start regularly.It's fine if he does sometimes. He should be a late inning defensive replacement, primarily...(and has done well his last 2 starts). I believe Krivsky said that from his own mouth.

Somebody said it yesterday....it may have been Cutler....Jerry wasn't an everyday player...he feels for them, and wants them to get playing time.

I said the same thing about Narron last week. He was never in the starting "click" and thinks he is still the the reserve "click." Castro starting 3 out of 4 games is brutal if Lopez is healthy.

[membengal]

Pedro, we will know in a few days, not the end of the season. IF they don't have a larger move that is made, then they seriously hindered their chances of winning games in the last week for nothing. That's dumb as hell.

[flyer85]

would have been 1st and 3rd

[Tornon]

Was it close on the pickoff move?

No, Phillips was running on first move so he was caught in no-man's land when the pitcher threw over

Griffey flies to the RF corner & Dunn must've thought it would not be caught & gets doubled off at first

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn goofs.

:bang:

[flyer85]

that was impressive

[redsfaninbsg]

Can anybody explain to me why Dunn was near third base on that play?

[George Foster]

what the hell was that Dunn....what a tool......there was only 1 out. Now take 3 laps around the field in front of everybody.

[OnBaseMachine]

Amazing how dumb this team can be at times. They've got to lead the league in boneheaded mistakes.

[George Foster]

Hey Dunn, you bat second....there can ONLY be one out!:angry:

[CTA513]

what the hell was that Dunn....what a tool......there was only 1 out. Now take 3 laps around the field in front of everybody.

Have Phillips go with him.

:thumbup:

[flyer85]

Can anybody explain to me why Dunn was near third base on that play?obviously didn't think it would be caught

[Matt700wlw]

Come on, Bronson...

[Tornon]

Weeks pops to Aurilia, 1 out

[George Foster]

Have Phillips go with him.

:thumbup:

I can forgive leaning the wrong way and getting picked, but thinking there are two outs when you bat second is one of the worst things I have ever seen in MLB...ever.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty noting that off the air, Jerry made reference that Arroyo really has no pitch count and will be there as long as possible because of the bullpen.

At least he knows they stink, I guess...

[Tornon]

Hall Ks swinging, 2 out

[George Foster]

Marty noting that off the air, Jerry made reference that Arroyo really has no pitch count and will be there as long as possible because of the bullpen.

good!:thumbup:

[Tornon]

Jenkins flies the first pitch to Kearns, no score after 1

[Gallen5862]

Wtg Arroyo, How many pitches did he throw?

[oneupper]

Wtg Arroyo, How many pitches did he throw?

12

[CTA513]

I can forgive leaning the wrong way and getting picked, but thinking there are two outs when you bat second is one of the worst things I have ever seen in MLB...ever.

How do we know he thought there were 2 outs? Maybe he thought the ball was gone or wasnt going to be caught?

[George Foster]

Right before they went to commerical it was displayed on the screen that the big A was already 0-1.....thats sad. The guy that runs the graphics for Fox has to be a special needs hire. The pitch count is right about 50% of the time.

[Tornon]

Aurilia Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 1 out

[George Foster]

How do we know he thought there were 2 outs? Maybe he thought the ball was gone or wasnt going to be caught?

You go half way until you see it go over the fence or bounce....period. If you don't pick up the ball you go half way and look at your third base coach.

There is not a situation that excuses Dunn. Just a bone head play.

[Tornon]

Kearns Ks swinging, 2 out

[redsfaninbsg]

I hope the Reds can continue their success but forcing Arroyo/Harang to go the distancae nearly every start is going to work.

[Tornon]

Hatteberg grounds a single up the middle

[TheBigLebowski]

After the way yesterday's game ended and the way this one started, I don't know why I'm paying attention. This is the Brewers, after all. We're bound for heartbreak again.

[Matt700wlw]

David Ross is almost tied for HRs (1 short) with Mike Piazza who leads catchers......and Ross has many LESS at bats.

wow

[Gallen5862]

The Hat just keeps getting on base.

[Matt700wlw]

After the way yesterday's game ended and the way this one started, I don't know why I'm paying attention.

Because you can't help it like the rest of us

[Matt700wlw]

The Hat just keeps getting on base.

How dare him. :D

[Tornon]

Ross Ks swinging, no score middle of 2

[TheBigLebowski]

I am so sick of Bill Hall, Carlos Lee, Prince Fielder, and Brett Favre-Jenkins. If we never played these guys again, I would be a happy man.

[kaldaniels]

Audio/Video from FSN has been horrible this series.

[TheBigLebowski]

Oh yeah...Rickie Weeks is starting to piss me off too.

And that Brian Shouse guy.

[Tornon]

Lee Ks swinging, 1 out

[Matt700wlw]

Ryan Wagner's name has surfaced with management......


If he'd been any good, he'd be here.





ahem.....others have been, guys.


John thinks somebody's coming up shortly....not sure who, but a move is probably coming.

[CTA513]

You go half way until you see it go over the fence or bounce....period. If you don't pick up the ball you go half way and look at your third base coach.

There is not a situation that excuses Dunn. Just a bone head play.

Phillips also made a dumb out, but he gets a pass on it.

:thumbup:

[RFS62]

Ryan Wagner's name has surfaced with management......




What did they do, send him for doughnuts?

[RedsMan3203]

Ryan Wagner's name has surfaced with management......


If he's been any good, he'd be here.





ahem.....others have been, guys.


Who?

[Tornon]

Fielder flies to Griffey just in front of the left-center wall, 2 out

[TheBigLebowski]

Ryan Wagner's name has surfaced with management......


If he's been any good, he'd be here.





ahem.....others have been, guys.

Are you saying they're thinking of calling him up?

Hell, I guess it can't get any worse..

[Matt700wlw]

Are you saying they're thinking of calling him up?

Hell, I guess it can't get any worse..

Doubt it.

I'm inclined to try it though.

[Tornon]

Koskie lines to Griffey, no score after 2

[Matt700wlw]

Who?

Dumatrait. Kelly (AA). Shaeffer (AA).

That's all I can think of off the bat.

[TheBigLebowski]

Last 2 batters hit BA pretty hard.

[George Foster]

I am so sick of Bill Hall, Carlos Lee, Prince Fielder, and Brett Favre-Jenkins. If we never played these guys again, I would be a happy man.


I hate the entire schedule. Playing each team in the division 18 times, playing 15 interleague games, then only playing other national league teams 6 times is just horrible. Heck I miss being in the West...10:30 games at Dodger stadium is fun to watch on Tv in the Summer.

[CTA513]

Doubt it.

I'm inclined to try it though.

I wouldnt be surprised since hes already on the 40 man roster.

[Tornon]

Are you saying they're thinking of calling him up?

Hell, I guess it can't get any worse..

Wagner would have to put up better numbers than Burns did, wouldn't he?? At least Wagner TRIES to miss some bats

[Tornon]

Castro bloops one the CF gets to, 1 out

[WMR]

"Juan Castro, so valuable as a defensive player and every once in a while he'll sneak in a big hit for you."

hahahahaah, you tell 'em George

[Tornon]

Arroyo flies the first pitch to left, 2 out

[RedsMan3203]

Dumatrait. Kelly (AA). Shaeffer (AA).

That's all I can think of off the bat.


Moreless talking about Wagner ;)

[Tornon]

Phillips flies to Lee, no score middle of 3

[CTA513]

Easy 6 pitch inning for Davis.

[George Foster]

Phillips also made a dumb out, but he gets a pass on it.

:thumbup:

No he dosen't get a pass, but base stealers get picked from time to time, it happens. He was leaning. If baserunners were never picked off, no one would throw over. If it happens a lot you have a problem. If you get picked 2 or 3 times a year and steal 25-30 bases, thats exceptable. With that being said, if you are not a base stealer, you should never get picked off..never. If Valentine gets picked, its a bone head play.

There is NEVER an excuse for what Dunn did, that should never happen.

[Matt700wlw]

Moreless talking about Wagner ;)

Bring 'em all up!! :D

[Tornon]

Gross lines one that Hatteberg knocks down, and gets the out.. nice play. 1 out

[TheBigLebowski]

Gross really ran up the pitch count there. Good AB.

[George Foster]

Bring 'em all up!! :D


Except Homer....we can't do that:laugh:

[GAC]

Chat is open :beerme:

[George Foster]

Nice to see the American Flag on the Brewers hats...classy touch:thumbup:

[TheBigLebowski]

Every time I see Chad Moeller, I always think of Chad Mottola, and what a dumb draft pick he was.

[Tornon]

Moeller flies to Dunn, 2 out

[Tornon]

Davis Ks looking, no score after 3

[TheBigLebowski]

Good news is, BA has 'em scoreless/hitless through 3.

Bad news is, he's almost at 50 pitches.

Looks like we will definitely see The Bully today.

[Matt700wlw]

Good news is, BA has 'em scoreless/hitless through 3.

Bad news is, he's almost at 50 pitches.

Looks like we will definitely see The Bully today.

His pitch count is 190 :D

[CTA513]

No he dosen't get a pass, but base stealers get picked from time to time, it happens. He was leaning. If baserunners were never picked off, no one would throw over. If it happens a lot you have a problem. If you get picked 2 or 3 times a year and steal 25-30 bases, thats exceptable. With that being said, if you are not a base stealer, you should never get picked off..never. If Valentine gets picked, its a bone head play.

There is NEVER an excuse for what Dunn did, that should never happen.

Both guys gave up outs, so they both seem dumb outs to me.

[Tornon]

Dunn skies one to right, 1 out

[George Foster]

Davis Ks looking, no score after 3

Thanks for doing the play-by-play Tornon:thumbup:

Hope you have a happy 4th!

Taking the first overall pick of the 2022 amateur baseball draft to the pool. We are working on our leg strengh while in the pool, inbetween water guns!

Let's win!!:D

[Tornon]

Griffey accidentally swings trying to get out of the way, 2 out

[Tornon]

Aurilia grounds one up the middle softly and the second baseman throws him out, no score middle of 4

[Gallen5862]

The Space Shuttle made it. It will catch the Space station Thursday.

[captainmorgan07]

The Space Shuttle made it. It will catch the Space station Thursday.
i switched from the game to that just to be sure history was made

[Tornon]

Weeks takes a walk

[TheBigLebowski]

Introducing Reds Killer Bill Hall..

[Tornon]

Hall bunts for a hit

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo getting his feet in the fire...

[CTA513]

Aurilia watches a bunt single.

[TheBigLebowski]

Geez...here we go...the beginning of the end.

[CTA513]

Brewers take the lead...

[Tornon]

Jenkins drills one over Kearns' head in right, 1 run scores. 2nd & 3rd none out, 1-0 Brewers

[Matt700wlw]

Geez...here we go...the beginning of the end.

I'm not convinced of that yet.

[TheBigLebowski]

I hate the Brewers with the white hot passion of 1000 suns.

[GAC]

There goes the no-hitter :evil:

[Tornon]

Lee lines a single in front of Dunn, 1 more scores. 2-0 Brewers

[Gallen5862]

Let's get the Brewers out.

[Matt700wlw]

this isn't good.....

[GAC]

rut roh Reorge!

2-0 now

[CTA513]

2-0 lead, soon to be 3-0... not looking good with the way Davis has handled the Red since the first inning.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo's having control problems today.

[Tornon]

Fielder flies to Kearns at the wall, 3-0 Brewers. 1 out

[GAC]

Be thankful we play in a woeful division this year.

I still can't believe we are only 1 game out the way we have been playing

[redsrule2500]

can we please just win a game. wtf

[Tornon]

Koskie goes yard, 5-0 Brewers

[redsrule2500]

There goes Arroyo's ERA.

Looks like he was just lucky the first half. He was never really good.

[Matt700wlw]

That hurts.

[CTA513]

5-0...

[pedro]

Be thankful we play in a woeful division this year.

I still can't believe we are only 1 game out the way we have been playing

True, Krivsky and Narron have been playing horrid lately. I can't believe Narron just gave up that HR to Koskie. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

There goes Arroyo's ERA.

Looks like he was just lucky the first half. He was never really good.

Wow....his first, actual, bad, unquality start of the season and you're all over him.

Wow.

[TheBigLebowski]

Be thankful we play in a woeful division this year.

I still can't believe we are only 1 game out the way we have been playing

It's a mere matter of time before this team completes its' "regression to the mean." They've been whistling past the graveyard for weeks now.

A team that has the worst bullpen in the game, questionable to downright bad defense, inconsistent offense and starting pitching, and an inability to win at home is not making the playoffs, regardless of how bad the division may be.

Hell, these Brewers will likely be a game behind us when this series has concluded.

[Tornon]

Gross lines to Kearns, 2 out

[redsrule2500]

Since Dunn's amazing grand slam we have been TERRIBLE.

[GAC]

"the rockets red glare.... the bombs bursting in air.... gave truth to the night...." ;)

[flyer85]

you may now commence with your independence day activities

[Aronchis]

I thought the Brewers were hitting Arroyo well the first time through, though the timing wasn't quite there.

Reverting to the mean, Todd Coffey gives Bronson a salute.

[Matt700wlw]

Since Dunn's amazing grand slam we have been TERRIBLE.

Mostly the bullpen.

[TheBigLebowski]

Well...that's it for me today, folks.

It's July 4th, and there are a million different enjoyable, productive things I could be doing. Not going to let this bunch bring me down again.

You all have a happy, safe 4th....sure I'll be around tomorrow for more abuse.

[GAC]

True, Krivsky and Narron have been playing horrid lately. I can't believe Narron just gave up that HR to Koskie. ;)

Hey look! I'm at a resort paying $5 for Sam Adams... and I don't need you making me spit it out laughin' pedro. ;)

[flyer85]

Since Dunn's amazing grand slam the pitching has been TERRIBLE.fixed

[pedro]

There goes Arroyo's ERA.

Looks like he was just lucky the first half. He was never really good.

Everyone has bad days now and then. Plus this is teh 4th time he's faced Milwaukie already this season.

Familiarity breeds long balls.

[Tornon]

Moeller grounds to Castro, 5-0 Brewers after 4

[kaldaniels]

...damage done. :p:

[Wheelhouse]

"the rockets red glare.... the bombs bursting in air.... gave truth to the night...." ;)

I think it's "proof through the night." But point taken. ;)

[CTA513]

It looks like the Reds wonderful bullpen will be getting some work today.

[GAC]

you may now commence with your independence day activities

We've already seen the fireworks! ;)

[membengal]

Hey look! I'm at a resort paying $5 for Sam Adams... and I don't need you making me spit it out laughin' pedro. ;)

I don't understand why you laughed. Prior to Pedro, no one had said anything about Narron or Krivsky in terms of today's in-game management. And, GAC, you are still ignoring Post #32 on this thread.

[kaldaniels]

Is it me or do we need to brush the Brewers back with they are up to bat...they always appear very comfortable.

[Matt700wlw]

If Jerry Narron didn't suck, the Reds would be losing this game.

;)

[Tornon]

Kearns walks

[Matt700wlw]

Is it me or do we need to brush the Brewers back with they are up to bat...they always appear very comfortable.

They need to brush EVERY TEAM back.

[redsrule2500]

Alright...leadoff walk, let's get stuff going here!

[Matt700wlw]

It looks like the Reds wonderful bullpen will be getting some work today.

With the defecit, they'll give up zero runs :laugh:

[Raisor]

Since Dunn's amazing grand slam we have been TERRIBLE.


Speak for yourself. I've been doing great myself.

[pedro]

I don't understand why you laughed. Prior to Pedro, no one had said anything about Narron or Krivsky in terms of today's in-game management. And, GAC, you are still ignoring Post #32 on this thread.

Sure they did. Castro and Aurilia are in the lineup. Obviously it must be one of their faults that Arroyo is getting clocked. After all it can't be Larue's because david Ross is playing.

:)

[GAC]

I don't understand why you laughed. Prior to Pedro, no one had said anything about Narron or Krivsky in terms of today's in-game management. And, GAC, you are still ignoring Post #32 on this thread.

Uhhhh...I never saw it mem. I'm at at resort on vacation, and left/came back. ;)

And yes, I can laugh because I don't take the game as "life and death" as some do.

I enjoy it ;)

[Tornon]

Hatteberg flies to center, 1 out

[redsrule2500]

Speak for yourself. I've been doing great myself.
:laugh:

[CTA513]

Maybe Davis will act like a Reds pitcher and give up that 5 run lead?

:thumbup:

[redsrule2500]

Narron's gotta be hating these past few days...

[membengal]

Pedro...that was all pre-game chatter.

And, apples to oranges, but those on-going bad organizational decisions have nothing to do with Arroyo getting lit up there, and no one said they did. Your blind need to exonerate Narron regardless of what happens or if anyone is even looking his way is getting as old as some of the complaints lobbed my and others' way about the EE thing.

[Ltlabner]

Sure they did. Castro and Aurilia are in the lineup. Obviously it must be one of their faults that Arroyo is getting clocked. After all it can't be Larue's because david Ross is playing.

Hey don't forget McQ being on the bench...he owns some of the responsibility here too....;)

[pedro]

Maybe Davis will act like a Reds pitcher and give up that 5 run lead?

:thumbup:


now you're talking :)

[Tornon]

Ross grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, 5-0 Brewers middle of 5

[pedro]

Pedro...that was all pre-game chatter.

And, apples to oranges, but those on-going bad organizational decisions have nothing to do with Arroyo getting lit up there, and no one said they did. Your blind need to exonerate Narron regardless of what happens or if anyone is even looking his way is getting as old as some of the complaints lobbed my and others' way about the EE thing.

Call it a pre-emptive strike but point taken.

[Tony Cloninger]

Did someone actually write that up that BA was never really that good ....and he has been lucky up to this point?

Was that for real?

Are papers not checked to verify if a poster knows what a baseball season consists of? How even Sandy Koufax had bad outings in 1963.

I would have loved to have seen, if the internet had been invented during the 1968 season.....some people here, following the Cards that year, and posting whenever Bob Gibson gave up a run or 2, that he was not a true No. 1 pitcher who did not know how to win games when his team did not score him any runs.

[Ltlabner]

Your blind need to exonerate Narron regardless of what happens or if anyone is even looking his way is getting as old as some of the complaints lobbed my and others' way about the EE thing.

Hahahahahahahah......oh....ok.

[Matt700wlw]

Davis isn't this good...

Arroyo isn't this bad....



Baseball is weird

[redsrule2500]

Arroyo still pitching

[CTA513]

Davis doesnt seem to be having a problem handeling this mighty Reds offense.

:eek:

[Tornon]

Davis grounds to Aurilia, 1 out

[redsrule2500]

Did someone actually write that up that BA was never really that good ....and he has been lucky up to this point?

Was that for real?

Are papers not checked to verify if a poster knows what a baseball season consists of? How even Sandy Koufax had bad outings in 1963.

I would have loved to have seen, if the internet had been invented during the 1968 season.....some people here, following the Cards that year, and posting whenever Bob Gibson gave up a run or 2, that he was not a true No. 1 pitcher who did not know how to win games when his team did not score him any runs.

Yes, I said that. Did I really mean it - no. I just get angry and post some crazy accusations...:rolleyes:

[GAC]

Davis isn't this good...

Arroyo isn't this bad....



Baseball is weird

Darn it Matt! It can't be that simple.

If EE were up here we'd be 5 games ahead of the Cards!

Damn this BP, and full speed ahead Mr Grigley! ;)

[membengal]

Davis isn't this good...

Arroyo isn't this bad....



Baseball is weird

Davis has murdered by fantasy team all year. He missed his last start with a bad back. He's been BAD by most reckoning. So, of course he is on shutdown mode today. Figures.

[Tornon]

Weeks lines to Griffey, 2 out

[membengal]

Darn it Matt! It can't be that simple.

If EE were up here we'd be 5 games ahead of the Cards!

Damn this BP, and full speed ahead Mr Grigley! ;)

It's true. We DEFINITELY don't want EE's bat in there against the lefty today. Good move by WK right there sparing us that horror.

[Matt700wlw]

I just get angry and post some crazy accusations...:rolleyes:

That never happens here. :)

[Tornon]

Hall Ks swinging on 3 pitches, 5-0 Brewers after 5

[GAC]

It's true. We DEFINITELY don't want EE's bat in there against the lefty today. Good move by WK right there sparing us that horror.

Welll.... at least you're blaming Wayne and not Narron anymore. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

That looked more like the Bronson Arroyo I've gotten to know.



Offense...please help.

[CTA513]

Reds are 0-3 so far in July and it looks like they will be 0-4 after todays game.
Not the best way to try and pass the Cardinals.

:bang:

[Ltlabner]

Welll.... at least you're blaming Wayne and not Narron anymore

No....it would still be Narrons's fault because he'd probably look at EE cross-eyed or not talk him up enough on the Breneman report.

[CTA513]

No....it would still be Narrons's fault because he'd probably look at EE cross-eyed or not talk him up enough on the Breneman report.

No, he would be sitting because hes not old.

:thumbup:

[Tornon]

Castro flies to right, 1 out

[Ltlabner]

No, he would be sitting because hes not old.


Just like Ross, BP, Kearns, Dunn and Lopez.......oh wait.

[toledodan]

i'm glad we got the offensive hole castro into the starting linup. the reds slide can't be complete untill he's playing everyday!:angry:

[Tornon]

Arroyo Ks looking, 2 out

[Matt700wlw]

i'm glad we got the offensive hole castro into the starting linup. the reds slide can't be complete untill he's playing everyday!:angry:

Yup. He's the reason they're being shut out....

[GAC]

If Aurilia is old, then I shouldn't even be breathing ;)

[Tornon]

Phillips walks on 4 pitches

[Ltlabner]

Ok...on a serrious note. If BP continues to develop his plate discipline, what do you guys think about him batting leadoff ?

[membengal]

Welll.... at least you're blaming Wayne and not Narron anymore. ;)

I never solely blamed Narron, or Krivsky. The organization as a whole owns this cluster(mess). From Narron's obsessive vet love, which WK enables by mothballing EE, to anyone else who has had a chance to say something like "Damn guys. This is pretty dumb what we are doing right here" and has not said so. They all share in this. As to what portions each are at fault, I don't really care. What I do care about is that an on-going dumb-as-hell situation continues with no reason for it.

A few seem OK with that, but WK and Narron have NOT earned a blind trust from me at this point, and this situation simply underscores why.

[CTA513]

Just like Ross, BP, Kearns, Dunn and Lopez.......oh wait.

Lopez is playing?

:eek:

[Matt700wlw]

Lopez is playing?

:eek:

It's a holiday ;)

[GAC]

Ok...on a serrious note. If BP continues to develop his plate discipline, what do you guys think about him batting leadoff ?

He could be the next Joe Morgan (without the elbow hitch) ;)

[toledodan]

Yup. He's the reason they're being shut out....


matt i'm not saying thats the reason we're being shut out. i never thought he would be starting 6 or 7 games already. his job and only job should be coming in late for defense.

[Ltlabner]

Lopez is playing?

81 games so far this year. But Narron obviously don't want to put any youth in the field.

[Matt700wlw]

matt i'm not saying thats the reason we're being shut out. i never thought he would be starting 6 or 7 games already. his job and only job should be coming in late for defense.

I know. I'm just being a turd today.

[GAC]

Personally.... Sam Adams and I think we got the Brewers right where we want them ;)

[Tornon]

Dunn pops to second, 5-0 Brewers middle of 6

[GAC]

I know. I'm just being a turd today.

Ewww ewww that smell! Can't ya smell that smell?

[flyer85]

Reds have not had a hit since the 2nd

[KittyDuran]

Well, if BA loses this game you can blame it on me... went out today and bought this month's Cincinnati Magazine with him on cover. I even told the lady behind the counter that he'll probably win... :eek:

[CTA513]

But Narron obviously don't want to put any youth in the field.


:thumbup:

[GAC]

Well, if BA loses this game you can blame it on me... went out today and bought this month's Cincinnati Magazine with him on cover. I even told the lady behind the counter that he'll probably win... :eek:

Watcha gonna do with that magazine sweetie? ;)

[Gallen5862]

Thats ok Kitty. I forgive you. :)

[Tornon]

Jenkins walks on a 3-2 pitch

[Tornon]

Lee chops one to Aurilia, out at first. 1 down

[Tornon]

Fielder Ks swinging, 2 out

[KittyDuran]

Watcha gonna do with that magazine sweetie? ;)That for me (and BA) to know and you to speculate...:evil:

[Tornon]

Koskie walks on 4 pitches

[Matt700wlw]

Thank goodness this is a road game....it is absolutely pouring down rain here.

[Tony Cloninger]

I think i have lost all my feel, after the last few years here on RZ, for sarcastic posts. Unless they are accompanied by disclaimers.


Everyone.....has a "get on him guy" or "defend him guy"...no matter what.

When this team loses.....the digs go deeper and sometimes make no sense.

Sample size only counts when it's directed at the players we hate or wish they were banished to the cornfields.

Maybe we need more Billy Mummy and less George Grande.


No matter how many times Castro starts (and more than once every 2 weeks is too much for me also) A bench player has to start sometime or somewhere.
No one here is ever happy when castro ever starts......and up until the last few games, he had barely been starting.

As oneupper pointed out......WK got caught up in a roster log jame that has currently backfied on him and the team. Is that a nice way of putting it?
We just want to see someone gone so EE is back here.......so then people can commence as soon as he goes 0 for 10 and makes a few errors ..how much more time EE still needed and that castro needs to give him a breather.

[Tornon]

Gross lines to Aurilia, Arroyo at 100 pitches. 5-0 Brewers after 6

[WMR]

I never solely blamed Narron, or Krivsky. The organization as a whole owns this cluster(mess). From Narron's obsessive vet love, which WK enables by mothballing EE, to anyone else who has had a chance to say something like "Damn guys. This is pretty dumb what we are doing right here" and has not said so. They all share in this. As to what portions each are at fault, I don't really care. What I do care about is that an on-going dumb-as-hell situation continues with no reason for it.

A few seem OK with that, but WK and Narron have NOT earned a blind trust from me at this point, and this situation simply underscores why.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Perfect summation.

[GAC]

I think i have lost all my feel, after the last few years here on RZ, for sarcastic posts. Unless they are accompanied by disclaimers.


Everyone.....has a "get on him guy" or "defend him guy"...no matter what.

When this team loses.....the digs go deeper and sometimes make no sense.

Sample size only counts when it's directed at the players we hate or wish they were banished to the cornfields.

Maybe we need more Billy Mummy and less George Grande.


No matter how many times Castro starts (and more than once every 2 weeks is too much for me also) A bench player has to start sometime or somewhere.
No one here is ever happy when castro ever starts......and up until the last few games, he had barely been starting.

As oneupper pointed out......WK got caught up in a roster log jame that has currently backfied on him and the team. Is that a nice way of putting it?
We just want to see someone gone so EE is back here.......so then people can commence as soon as he goes 0 for 10 and makes a few errors ..how much more time EE still needed and that castro needs to give him a breather.


:thumbup:

[Chip R]

Well, if BA loses this game you can blame it on me... went out today and bought this month's Cincinnati Magazine with him on cover. I even told the lady behind the counter that he'll probably win... :eek:

I heard an ugly rumor that it even says what part of town he lives in. I was under the impression that was classified information. :eek: ;)

[Tornon]

Griffey lines to right, 1 out

[Tornon]

Aurilia grounds to third, 2 out

[redsrule2500]

Offense is terrible today...

[Tornon]

Kearns rockets a double to left

[Tornon]

Hatteberg goes yard to right, 5-2 Brewers

[Matt700wlw]

Scott!

:jump:

[kaldaniels]

Mr Hat goes yard!

[Ltlabner]

Hatteburg goes deep. Those old guys are good for nothing I tell ya!

[KittyDuran]

I heard an ugly rumor that it even says what part of town he lives in. I was under the impression that was classified information. :eek: ;)Hey, that right! ;)

[Tornon]

Ross flies to center, 5-2 Brewers middle of 7

[CTA513]

Hatteburg goes deep. Those old guys are good for nothing I tell ya!

To bad the old guys in the bullpen arent doing anything for the team.

:evil: