7/9/06: Reds @ Braves (No Edwin Again)

[SteelSD]

Griffey K's on an awful pitch. It's like the calendar flipped over to 2006 and he suddenly became unwilling to take a Walk when it's all that's being offered.

[George Foster]

3 more chances to score againt that braves pen i like our chances

They have 4 more chances:thumbdown

[WMR]

I think Junior REALLY wants 600

[OnBaseMachine]

Griffey K's on an awful pitch. It's like the calendar flipped over to 2006 and he suddenly became unwilling to take a Walk when it's all that's being offered.

Have you ever seen a hitter swing at a worse pitch than that? I honestly can't. I love Junior, but that was awful.

[Kc61]

Griffey is always behind in the count, has no patience, seems to be always swinging for the fences. Dunn, on the other hand, has really improved his approach at the plate, is using the whole field, and the results are much better.

Doesn't the hitting coach ever talk to Griffey?

[Jpup]

Have you ever seen a hitter swing at a worse pitch than that? I honestly can't. I love Junior, but that was awful.

I've seen Ichiro hit something like that. :D

[Tony Cloninger]

McFly has more BB thN k'S IN 25 innings....... 20BB 13K.....so mad i forgot to turn off the caps.

I mean...that pitch was a ball almost halfway there.

He guessed fastball, i am assuming.

[George Foster]

I thing Junior REALLY wants 600

Is that thinking about the team? Extending the inning? Staying in the race?

[George Foster]

Griffey is always behind in the count, has no patience, seems to be always swinging for the fences. Dunn, on the other hand, has really improved his approach at the plate, is using the whole field, and the results are much better.

Doesn't the hitting coach ever talk to Griffey?

You can't...he's a Hall of Famer..don't you know that?

[Matt700wlw]

Nice! :D

[captainmorgan07]

edgar out on a heck of a relay good block by larue

[reds44]

What a relay!!!!!!!

LaRue!

Coffey is lucky.

[George Foster]

Grande called him safe when he turned around third

[Joseph]

David Ross doesn't do that now does he?

[Matt700wlw]

Chipper's 11th straight game with an extra base hit.

Not bad for a guy with a bad foot.

[Jpup]

Coffey can't throw anything but a fastball?


how about that LaRue....nice play.:beerme:

[WMR]

Is that thinking about the team? Extending the inning? Staying in the race?

no, no, and no.

[OnBaseMachine]

Great play by LaRue. Say what you want about his offense(above average over the last few years), but you can't deny his great defense behind the plate.

[SteelSD]

Have you ever seen a hitter swing at a worse pitch than that? I honestly can't. I love Junior, but that was awful.

I've rarely seen such severe deterioration of a plate discipline skill set. It's like it's just gone.

And great play by Larue to block the plate and save a Run there.

Coffey is not looking good right now.

[George Foster]

Chipper's 11th straight game with an extra base hit.

Not bad for a guy with a bad foot.

The ML record is 13 I believe?

[Jpup]

damn. :eek:

[captainmorgan07]

coffey gives up a blast i can't watch much more of this

[reds44]

Coffey is bad.

[SteelSD]

Yeah. Gonna' have to release Coffey from my fbb team. He's killing me.

[Jpup]

he should have stuck with a fastball.;)

[captainmorgan07]

Yeah. Gonna' have to release Coffey from my fbb team. He's killing me.
he's killing the reds 2

[VR]

Griffey K's on an awful pitch. It's like the calendar flipped over to 2006 and he suddenly became unwilling to take a Walk when it's all that's being offered.

If he had Hatt's discipline, he'd be leading the league in walks, for sure. In my softball league, I'll never take a walk, because I want to hit a dinger or drive in a run with a hit. Great strategy for slow pitch softball. Not a good strategy for Major League Baseball.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm about done with Coffey too...

[Joseph]

Coffey should get with Hume over the break and figure out what he's lost. Is it just a dead arm?

[Matt700wlw]

The ML record is 13 I believe?

Don't know, but he set a new Braves record.

[George Foster]

This pitching staff reminds me of my trip to Yellowstone. We saw "old faithful"

you knew what would happen every 6 or 7 minutes

[Jpup]

Coffey should get with Hume over the break and figure out what he's lost. Is it just a dead arm?

TC says he's tipping his pitches. :confused:

[reds44]

Coffey should get with Hume over the break and figure out what he's lost. Is it just a dead arm?
or was he just never that good?

[SteelSD]

If he had Hatt's discipline, he'd be leading the league in walks, for sure. In my softball league, I'll never take a walk, because I want to hit a dinger or drive in a run with a hit. Great strategy for slow pitch softball. Not a good strategy for Major League Baseball.

Yepper. And it's not like he's just having a hard time figuring out Balls and Strikes. It's like he has zero interest in doing so.

[captainmorgan07]

someone tell coffey u can't just rely on the fastball if the braves announcers make one more coffey related saying there gonna be gone 2

[Kc61]

Is that thinking about the team? Extending the inning? Staying in the race?

Griffey's OBP is .304. That is terrible, particularly for a hitter of his caliber.

Onto the next subject. Coffey has nothing these days. It started when he was made closer, but has continued. Is he hurt? I don't know what the problem is but right now he should be throwing mop up until he improves.

As someone else said, he reminds me of Riedling a few years ago. Started lights out, then about mid-season just lost it.

[VR]

Jones goes Reggie Jackson on that dinger, down on one knee with a spleen rupturing swing.

[Matt700wlw]

Joe Mays warming in the bullpen.

Yes, I said Joe Mays.

[Jpup]

funny how many people are jumping off the Coffey bandwagon.:mooner:

[reds44]

someone tell coffey u can't just rely on the fastball if the braves announcers make one more coffey related saying there gonna be gone 2
Stir up Coffey

:laugh:

[Jpup]

Joe Mays warming in the bullpen.

Yes, I said Joe Mays.
:jump: :jump:

yes, it can get worse.

[George Foster]

Coffey should get with Hume over the break and figure out what he's lost. Is it just a dead arm?

Maybe Hume IS the problem

[captainmorgan07]

Stir up Coffey

:laugh:
i'd like to skip chip into the dip

[toledodan]

i guess the "coffey is garbage" thread will be rearing its ugly head again!:angry: i believe in coffey's ability but he needs to go back to AAA to work on his stuff. like marty just said he doesn't look like the same pitcher anymore.

joe mays warming up!:scared:

[OldXOhio]

Jerry Narron: "No way we can come back today with this bullpen. I'll leave Coffey in."

[George Foster]

Yepper. And it's not like he's just having a hard time figuring out Balls and Strikes. It's like he has zero interest in doing so.

Leader?

[guttle11]

"...the left rear tire falls off. It falls off. It falls the (bleep) off!"

[SteelSD]

Griffey's OBP is .304. That is terrible, particularly for a hitter of his caliber.

Onto the next subject. Coffey has nothing these days. It started when he was made closer, but has continued. Is he hurt? I don't know what the problem is but right now he should be throwing mop up until he improves.

As someone else said, he reminds me of Riedling a few years ago. Started lights out, then about mid-season just lost it.

His command is just gone. He's getting everything up in the zone and his fastball simply isn't impressive enough to do that and get away with it. Earlier in the year it looked like Coffey had some idea of where his stuff was going to end up in the Catcher's mitt. Now it's ending up in or over the Outfield.

[OldXOhio]

Onto the next subject. Coffey has nothing these days. It started when he was made closer, but has continued. Is he hurt? I don't know what the problem is but right now he should be throwing mop up until he improves.



Rumor has it that was a curveball AJ just hit into Marietta. I thought curveballs...you know, they curve. That thing looked like a Hammond fastball.

[OnBaseMachine]

Any word on how long that Dunn HR was? I believe the longest in Turner Field history is 457 feet. Chip speculated that Dunn's was around 450-460.

[reds44]

I wish Jones was our CF.

[OldXOhio]

Why didn't Jones twirl around and catch Wise's drive over his shoulder? Doesn't he know how to play CF?

[Gainesville Red]

I'm glad I didn't get elected to the All-Star game. I need a break.

[Kc61]

Actually, here's one where I will blast Narron. Team comes back to three down. Mercker has pitched well recently; Weathers has been better; Guardaro is around for the ninth.

Why go to Coffey, who has been lousy of late? Because he was good in April?

Unlike many of you, I don't mind his lineups or his use of his position players. But the use of pitchers really is bizarre. Narron leaves starters in too long and makes bullpen choices that are highly questionable. This Coffey move is irritating.

[Jpup]

I'm glad I didn't get elected to the All-Star game. I need a break.

:laugh:

[George Foster]

I saw this coming two weeks ago. When the Braves lost about 11 in a row. They were due to put a streak together. 2 out of 3 against the Cards.
3 out of 4 against us. Bobby Cox will get them back to .500 before the year is out, if Chipper can play the second half.

[VR]

Maybe Hume IS the problem

Completely agree....but it is because he's been miscast as the short term pitching coach, and given a stopgap bullpen coach to get them by.

He would make a great permanent pitching coach, if given an adequate #2 to run the pen for him.

He's a bullpen coach being asked to hold down the fort, and it's a difficult situation with Ruhle's circumstances.

It's a very difficult, delicate scenario, one in which I have no recommendation.

But it is obvious they are undermanned from a pitching coach standpoint, and that is not Hume's fault. To imagine this pitching staff has done as well as it has might be considered remarkable, and real kudos for Hume.

[George Foster]

I wish Jones was our CF.

Has a winning attitude. Has Jr's jet taken off yet to Tampa?

[Matt700wlw]

Mercker in.

[reds44]

Mercker in.
1 inning too late.

[OldXOhio]

I saw this coming two weeks ago. When the Braves lost about 11 in a row. They were due to put a streak together. 2 out of 3 against the Cards.
3 out of 4 against us. Bobby Cox will get them back to .500 before the year is out, if Chipper can play the second half.

Yep. Vegas may argue otherwise, but I'll take a series against a team that's won 10-12 in a row any day over one like the Braves and their recent slide.

And Chipper is a key. He looks better at the plate than I've seen him look in five years. That formerly weak Braves lineup is now looking rather formidable.

On another note, glad to hear the Braves have gone w/ a band version of the chop rather than that horrible organ. Sounding more like my noles every game.

[Jpup]

that about took his head off.

[VR]

I'm glad I didn't get elected to the All-Star game. I need a break.

wow, I can relate :laugh:

[George Foster]

Yep. Vegas may argue otherwise, but I'll take a series against a team that's won 10-12 in a row any day over one like the Braves and their recent slide.

And Chipper is a key. He looks better at the plate than I've seen him look in five years. That formerly weak Braves lineup is now looking rather formidable.

your right, especially in Baseball. I would alot rather face a team on a 8 game winning streak than a 8 game losing streak. Law of averages

[Gallen5862]

I traded coffey on one of my Fantasy baseball teams and just dropped him for mike Cameron in my other league.

[Jpup]

1 inning too late.

nope, just in time. :(

[OldXOhio]

Is that 28 or 29 hits for the Braves today? I've lost track.

[George Foster]

I traded coffey on one of my Fantasy baseball teams and just dropped him for mike Cameron in my other league.

How is Cameron doing? Is his numbers the same after that horrible injury?

[VR]

to be beaten around by the juggernaut of Langherhorn and Thorman isn't fun.

[reds44]

My God BP is amazing around the 2B bag.

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips makes it look easy

[George Foster]

Phillips makes it look easy

In the long run, Phillips might turn out to be K's best pick up including Arroyo.

[Jpup]

20 minutes from Homer and Votto on ESPN2. :thumbup:

[Tony Cloninger]

I do not think Griffey listens to anyone but his dad...when it comes to hitting tips.

Seems we always read about how his dad will scold him or tell him this or that...during a hitting slump.

I cannot see how his lack of pitch identification could be this off.....just all of a sudden he loses his selectivity?

[Matt700wlw]

20 minutes from Homer and Votto on ESPN2. :thumbup:

It's on TV?

Sweet...I've never seen Homer pitch -- maybe I'll be able to catch it.

[Gainesville Red]

20 minutes from Homer and Votto on ESPN2. :thumbup:

Bailey's not starting, is he?

If not, who is starting?

[Jpup]

It's on TV?

Sweet...

yes. I'm not sure but I think Homer could be starting. I know that Votto is the only first baseman on the World team.

[Jpup]

Andruw is a great player.

[reds44]

yes. I'm not sure but I think Homer could be starting. I know that Votto is the only first baseman on the World team.
Votto is from Canada correct?

[Jpup]

Votto is from Canada correct?

yes

[Jpup]

Richie has a single to center. nice hit.

[Big Klu]

There it is! Today's gratuitous mention of Jim Edmonds! :bang:

[George Foster]

Andruw is a great player.

Most underrated center fielder in the last 20 years.

[reds44]

Kearns is really slow.

[George Foster]

Fire up the bus to the airport.

[George Foster]

There it is! Today's gratuitous mention of Jim Edmonds! :bang:

Edmonds could not hold Jones' jock.

[CTA513]

Kearns is really slow.

Hes grounded into 14 double plays so far this year.

:eek:

[Jpup]

Tackleberry into the game.

[OldXOhio]

There it is! Today's gratuitous mention of Jim Edmonds! :bang:

Shoot I missed the reference. Were they talking about Kobiyashi's favorite snack again?

[Big Klu]

Edmonds could not hold Jones' jock.

You know it. I know it. The American people know it. But George Grande does not know it!

[OldXOhio]

Chipper is absolutely murdering the ball

[Gainesville Red]

Chipper's in the zone.

[Gallen5862]

These are Cameron's numbers.
.254 10 33 48 13

[George Foster]

Chipper...Hall of Famer, not first ballot, but he will get there

[Big Klu]

Shoot I missed the reference. Were they talking about Kobiyashi's favorite snack again?

No, George Grande mentioned that Andruw Jones was someone who could make plays similar to Jim Edmonds. :rolleyes:

[George Foster]

These are Cameron's numbers.
.254 10 33 48 13

thanks..I hope he's 100% real class guy.

[George Foster]

Weathers was begging there:laugh:

[OldXOhio]

No, George Grande mentioned that Andruw Jones was someone who could make plays similar to Jim Edmonds. :rolleyes:

Andruw runs to the ball. JimEd runs to the nearest TV set to see himself on ESPN.

[Matt700wlw]

Rumor is White Sox may be wanting to trade one of thier starters...

[Gainesville Red]

Holy Crap.

[reds44]

My God Phillips!!!!!

from his rear!!!

[SteelSD]

Good Lord. Phillips web gem. Wow.

[Matt700wlw]

All Phillips does is make spectacular plays.

What a steal!

[Gallen5862]

Great play by BP.

[CTA513]

Rumor is White Sox may be wanting to trade one of thier starters...

For what? a bat or bullpen pitcher?

[OldXOhio]

Oh my BP....his play in the field would stand out even on a good defensive team.

[Tony Cloninger]

Hang on a star on that one, baby!

[George Foster]

wow, what a play by Phillips. Does he ever dog it? Does he know what team he's playing on?

[Spitball]

Phillips is too much!!! That one makes this game not a total loss!

[Matt700wlw]

For what? a bat or bullpen pitcher?

I don't know.

I'd be listening though

[Jpup]

gold glove for phillips this year? i would think so.:rockband:

[NC Reds]

Griffey for Brandon McCarthy and Thornton.

[KronoRed]

We have little the Sox would want, and the starter they would want to trade is going to be their worst.

[VR]

O or 5 runs here, nothing in between.

[reds44]

Griffey for Brandon McCarthy and Thornton.
We'd have to send them $$$ also.

[Jpup]

Griffey for Brandon McCarthy and Thornton.

McCarthy would be enough and then some.

[Jpup]

We have little the Sox would want, and the starter they would want to trade is going to be their worst.

they covet Jr.

[George Foster]

Griffey for Brandon McCarthy and Thornton.

Do it...what have we done with Griffey? Not even above .500 since 2000.

[CTA513]

Griffey for Brandon McCarthy and Thornton.

Thornton throws some easy gas, but sometimes has problems throwing strikes.

[George Foster]

What is our record on Sunday...it's horrible.

[Spitball]

For what? a bat or bullpen pitcher?

When the Braves were in that losing streak, there was a rumor going around that the White Sox were looking to get Andruw Jones for Brian Anderson and Brandon McCarthy.

[reds44]

Still no Edwin?

[reds44]

When the Braves were in that losing streak, there was a rumor going around that the White Sox were looking to get Andruw Jones for Brian Anderson and Brandon McCarthy.
Brian Anderson is bad at baseball.

[George Foster]

they covet Jr.

they covet his leadership:laugh:

[pedro]

Still no Edwin?

do you mean as a PH?

[Matt700wlw]

Mercifully, the ballgame is over.

[reds44]

do you mean as a PH?
yeah

[pedro]

yeah

hopefully that means he really is being rested.

we'll see after the break.

[Reds4Life]

And so ends another losing effort.

[Joseph]

I love Ken Griffey Junior, I really do, but if we could get two promising pitchers for him, and plug Deno in in CF....I have to think about it very strongly.

I sat next to a Sox fan at the game a couple weekends ago who said there was believed to be an offer of Garland and someone else [maybe Anderson] for Griffey....whats anyone think about that possibility?

[George Foster]

We were 11 games over .500 just a couple of weeks ago. wow

[Matt700wlw]

Since being 12 games OVER .500 the Reds have played 11 under baseball.

[KronoRed]

they covet Jr.
I seriously doubt it, they are big on D and they have enough O to cover that black hole that Anderson is bringing to the plate

[KronoRed]

And so ends another losing effort.
They played scrappy at least

[George Foster]

Narron. Yet another Reds manager who is below .500 in wins and losses:thumbdown

[Jpup]

I seriously doubt it, they are big on D and they have enough O to cover that black hole that Anderson is bringing to the plate

no, they really do. I'm serious. Kenny Williams isn't all that bright.

[KronoRed]

Ozzie would fight Kenny if he made that sort of trade ;)

[MWM]

Most underrated center fielder in the last 20 years.


I've always thought he was one of the most overrated players of the last 20 years.

[Matt700wlw]

I just saw Homer Bailey smoke a 98 mph fastball.

It got hit, but a 98mph fastball :eek:

WOW

[RedLegSuperStar]

I just saw Homer Bailey smoke a 98 mph fastball.

It got hit, but a 98mph fastball :eek:

WOW

You see the bat he shattered? Homer's downfall is he only has heat.. or at least thats all he threw in the Futures Game. He needs a change and probably sinker/slider and curve.

[membengal]

He has a curve, a 12-6 one. He is working on a change. He had a blister that was apparently bleeding somewhat profusely and was keeping him from throwing his curve ball in this game. If he has a downfall, it won't be because he only has one pitch...

[redsrule2500]

Arroyo looking for his 10th win before the All-star break. Would be the first time since JIMMY HAYNES.

Marty: "I don't know how that happened."

:laugh:

That's awesome :thumbup: Marty rules.

[WVRedsFan]

What is our record on Sunday...it's horrible.

So are the lineups on Sunday...

[KronoRed]

So are the lineups on Sunday...
And yes Sunday is a day a lot of people like to head down to games

[Big Klu]

What is our record on Sunday...it's horrible.

5-9 overall. (1-6 at home, 4-3 on the road.)