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reds44
07-09-2006, 01:02 PM
Ryan Freel CF Series .294 5 15
Felipe Lopez SS Series .268 9 30
Scott Hatteberg 1B Series .310 8 28
Adam Dunn LF Series .237 27 57
Rich Aurilia 3B Series .263 11 34
Austin Kearns RF Series .273 16 50
Brandon Phillips 2B Series .310 7 44
Jason LaRue C Series .188 4 12
Bronson Arroyo P Series .163 2 6

Marcus Giles 2B Series .249 7 32
Edgar Renteria SS Series .313 9 35
Chipper Jones 3B Series .309 11 50
Andruw Jones CF Series .271 19 72
Brian McCann C Series .342 6 28
Jeff Francoeur RF Series .260 16 62
Adam LaRoche 1B Series .255 13 43
Ryan Langerhans LF Series .243 6 19
John Thomson P Series .267 0 4

So I guess Edwin is a bench player now?

pahster
07-09-2006, 01:06 PM
:bang:

I wonder if he's hurt again or if something is in the works.

Marc D
07-09-2006, 01:07 PM
I don't think anymore can be said on these lineups.

Bob Milarron.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 01:09 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Like I and a few others have mentioned: Narron does NOT like Encarnacion.

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:09 PM
Doh!

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:10 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Like I and a few others have mentioned: Narron does NOT like Encarnacion.

He's not above the age of 35 yet.. one day!

Tony Cloninger
07-09-2006, 01:11 PM
It is really hard to defend Narron when it comes to lineups.

I mean....tell us EE is hurt....if he is.

I do not mind Griffey having a day off......but i would like to see starting against COL and for 90% of the time for the rest of the season.

SS Lopez
LF Dunn
CF Griffey
RF Kearns
1B Hatte
3B Encarnacion
2B Phillips
C Whoever floats the boat of the pitcher

You can switch Lopez and Phillips from time to time, if a LH starts let's say.

BUT please leave a perm lineup for longer than 2 days.

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:11 PM
Please Narron.. Don't allow Arroyo to pitch 135 pitches! Don't allow him to throw more than 90..

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:11 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Like I and a few others have mentioned: Narron does NOT like Encarnacion.
Too young and not enough scrappyness.

Tony Cloninger
07-09-2006, 01:13 PM
Team Clark stated....and i will believe what he says...that Narron really is fond of EE.

Now is this tough love?
Or the love that Baby Jane had for her sister?

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 01:14 PM
Edwin needs to grow a beard and dye it grey.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 01:15 PM
Team Clark stated....and i will believe what he says...that Narron really is fond of EE.

Now is this tough love?
Or the love that Baby Jane had for her sister?

I respect TC and his opinion, but the tea leaves read differently.

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 01:19 PM
i like hatteberg in the 3 spot when griffs not playing he's been smoking the ball lately those 2 long fly ball outs he hit last nite would have been homers at gabp

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:24 PM
Please Narron.. Don't allow Arroyo to pitch 135 pitches! Don't allow him to throw more than 90..

90? I think he can handle a little more than that.

Caveat Emperor
07-09-2006, 01:28 PM
At this point, when I glance at the lineups I almost hope Edwin Encarnacion isn't playing. The large amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth that goes on here about it makes my day that much more enjoyable when it happens. :evil:

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:28 PM
90? I think he can handle a little more than that.

Well I know.. just he is our lone All Star. Eh.. Let em pitch 91.. but no more! ;)

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:28 PM
Well I know.. just he is our lone All Star. Eh.. Let em pitch 91.. but no more! ;)

That's better! :D

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:29 PM
90? I think he can handle a little more than that.
Maybe he'll be over 100 and Narron will let him bat again.

:p:

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:30 PM
Maybe he'll be over 100 and Narron will let him bat again.

:p:

Forgot about the leathal bat he has! But if it's anything like last night nothing is flying out of Turner Field! There wasn't really to many balls hit to the outfield until Smoltz and Harang got up to about 80 pitches

edabbs44
07-09-2006, 01:31 PM
I think the lineup is all mixed up. Hatte should be 2. He is not a 3 hitter. What's it going to take for BP to move? How about this lineup, using the same guys?

Freel
Hatte
BP
Dunn
Kearns
FLo
RA
LaRue
Arroyo

WMR
07-09-2006, 01:32 PM
Mmmmm yeah that's crap that EE is sitting 2 days in a row.

Narron's morphing into a Miley/Boone cyborg continues...

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:32 PM
Mmmmm yeah that's crap that EE is sitting 2 days in a row.

Narron's morphing into a Miley/Boone cyborg continues...
3 days in a row.

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:33 PM
Mmmmm yeah that's crap that EE is sitting 2 days in a row.

Narron's morphing into a Miley/Boone cyborg continues...

Well.. this is actually the third game

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:33 PM
Maybe he'll be over 100 and Narron will let him bat again.

:p:

Top of the 9th? sure... :p:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:34 PM
3 days in a row.

I have no inside information...but I wonder if something's up?

WMR
07-09-2006, 01:34 PM
3 days in a row.

Even worse.

Maybe he needs his rest after playing so many consecutive days in Louisville. :bang: :angry: :thumbdown

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:36 PM
I have no inside information...but I wonder if something's up?
I could told you something was up a week ago when he was rotting in Louisville. Now he is rotting on the bench.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 01:37 PM
I have no inside information...but I wonder if something's up?

it's got to be. somebody is going and it's probably Edwin, unfortunately. Who needs a 3rd baseman? oh...the Reds. :confused:

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:37 PM
I have no inside information...but I wonder if something's up?

Possible.. but wouldn't you want to showcase him.. Whopptie-Doo he made an error Thursday? He made 14 or 15 before that. Yet he will continue to go to Stormy as if he is actually productive when taking the mound!

pedro
07-09-2006, 01:38 PM
You people crack me up.

The Reds aren't going to trade Edwin.

It's not going to happen.

WMR
07-09-2006, 01:38 PM
it's got to be. somebody is going and it's probably Edwin, unfortunately. Who needs a 3rd baseman? oh...the Reds. :confused:

That will really suck if he's traded for a misguided playoff push. Krivsky better bring back a boatload of young quality pitching for a player of EE's ability and potential.

WMR
07-09-2006, 01:40 PM
You people crack me up.

The Reds aren't going to trade Edwin.

It's not going to happen.

Have Krivsky's acquisitions or attitude towards veterans put such a move outside the realm of possibility?

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:41 PM
Have Krivsky's acquisitions or attitude towards veterans put such a move outside the realm of possibility?

Nothing is out of the realm of possibility

Jpup
07-09-2006, 01:41 PM
You people crack me up.

The Reds aren't going to trade Edwin.

It's not going to happen.

explain why you sit a 23 year old for 3 days when you have a 3 day break coming up? they said he wasn't hurt anymore, so why does he sit?

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:42 PM
it's got to be. somebody is going and it's probably Edwin, unfortunately. Who needs a 3rd baseman? oh...the Reds. :confused:

San Fran does.. they don't have a active 3rd baseman on their roster. Sure they use Feliz over there, but he also platoons at 1st as well. I'd take Jason Schmidt for Edwin.

pedro
07-09-2006, 01:43 PM
Have Krivsky's acquisitions or attitude towards veterans put such a move outside the realm of possibility?


Krivsky hasn't given any indication IMO that he wants to dump good young player.

I think this team is filled out with s/crappy vets because that was all that was available.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 01:43 PM
San Fran does.. they don't have a active 3rd baseman on their roster. Sure they use Feliz over there, but he also platoons at 1st as well. I'd take Jason Schmidt for Edwin.

1 problem. Schmidt is a free agent after the season. The Giants aren't giving up yet anyway. This is Bonds' last stand.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:43 PM
Krivsky hasn't given any indication IMO that he wants to dump good young player.



Hell, he picked up Brandon Phillips who is a great young player.

I'll say it again...what a steal!!

pedro
07-09-2006, 01:44 PM
explain why you sit a 23 year old for 3 days when you have a 3 day break coming up? they said he wasn't hurt anymore, so why does he sit?


I also heard the day before yesterday that whe was still icing up his ankle and riding a stationary bike after every game. That to me says he's not yet 100%.

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:44 PM
Krivsky hasn't given any indication IMO that he wants to dump good young player.

I think this team is filled out with s/crappy vets because that was all that was available.
Then why are they playing over talented young players?

:dunno:

Caveat Emperor
07-09-2006, 01:45 PM
You people crack me up.

The Reds aren't going to trade Edwin.

It's not going to happen.

I'd actually term it 100% certain that he doesn't get traded, at this point. He's too young and too inexpensive to trade at this point.

My question, though, is what Edwin Encarnacion has done thus season to make him this "untouchable" player that absolutely needs to be playing for Cincinnati to win. Now, I don't disagree that's it would be beneficial to EDWIN's development for him to be playing everyday, but fact of the matter is that Hatteberg has been far more productive than him this year, and Aurillia has been just about as productive.

Playing for the future and beyond, yeah -- Go Edwin. Playing for today -- flip a coin.

RedLegSuperStar
07-09-2006, 01:45 PM
1 problem. Schmidt is a free agent after the season. The Giants aren't giving up yet anyway. This is Bonds' last stand.

Yea, so is Guardado, but we traded for him.. I know what you're saying though. I don't know if Edwin would or wouldn't be enough to bring in a Jason Schmidt

pedro
07-09-2006, 01:45 PM
Then why are they playing over talented young players?

:dunno:


maybe the talented player isn't as healthy as Dr. reds44 thinks he is. I dunno?

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:47 PM
I'd actually term it 100% certain that he doesn't get traded, at this point. He's too young and too inexpensive to trade at this point.

My question, though, is what Edwin Encarnacion has done thus season to make him this "untouchable" player that absolutely needs to be playing for Cincinnati to win. Now, I don't disagree that's it would be beneficial to EDWIN's development for him to be playing everyday, but fact of the matter is that Hatteberg has been far more productive than him this year, and Aurillia has been just about as productive.

Playing for the future and beyond, yeah -- Go Edwin. Playing for today -- flip a coin.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?statType=1&section3=1&c_id=cin&readBoxes=true&statSet1=2&statSet2=null&statSet3=null&prevPage1=1&baseballScope=null&teamPosCode=cin&compare.x=&timeFrame=1&section2=1&section1=1&subScope=teamCode&compare.y=0&timeSubFrame=2006&box1=XXXX429665cin5&box2=XXXX110383cin5&compare.x=&sortByStat=OPS&

Tie goes to the future.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 01:47 PM
Yea, so is Guardado, but we traded for him.. I know what you're saying though. I don't know if Edwin would or wouldn't be enough to bring in a Jason Schmidt

doubt it.

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:47 PM
maybe the talented player isn't as healthy as Dr. reds44 thinks he is. I dunno?
Then why did he play almost 2 weeks straight in Louisville?

pedro
07-09-2006, 01:50 PM
Then why did he play almost 2 weeks straight in Louisville?

Maybe they tought he'd play through it?

Maybe Narron likes EE so much that when EE got to Cincinnati and Narron saw the routine that EE had to go through to play he said "aw shuckkkks.... that boy done need to sit a spell til after that there all star break, we can't afferd to lose him for the whole dang year."

reds44
07-09-2006, 01:51 PM
Maybe they tought he'd play through it?

Maybe Narron likes EE so much that when EE got to Cincinnati and Narron saw the routine that EE had to go through to play he said "aw shuckkkks.... that boy done need to sit a spell til after that there all star break, we can't afferd to lose him for the whole dang year."
:laugh: :laugh:

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 01:51 PM
Sometimes the writing on the wall is a hieroglyphic; sometimes a graffito.

Edwin missing from the lineup three straight games is the latter.

PuffyPig
07-09-2006, 01:54 PM
I think the lineup is all mixed up. Hatte should be 2. He is not a 3 hitter. What's it going to take for BP to move? How about this lineup, using the same guys?

Freel
Hatte
BP
Dunn
Kearns
FLo
RA
LaRue
Arroyo

What makes BP a better #3 hitter than Hatteberg. Is it his lesser OBA? Is it his lesser SL%?

Hatteberg's OPS is better than any Red outside of Dunn and Ross. It's .903, just below's Dunn's .912. And he's hot. How better to get on base for Dunn?

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 01:58 PM
What makes BP a better #3 hitter than Hatteberg. Is it his lesser OBA? Is it his lesser SL%?

Hatteberg's OPS is better than any Red outside of Dunn and Ross. It's .903, just below's Dunn's .912. And he's hot. How better to get on base for Dunn?

Yep.

Meanwhile Phillips has been colder than that popsicle stuck to the frosty back wall of the freezer so far this July: .624 OPS. He's been reduced to the BA-driven, low-slugging, singles machine that I thought he'd be when the league got the book on him.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:00 PM
Ryan Freel CF Series .294 5 15
Felipe Lopez SS Series .268 9 30
Scott Hatteberg 1B Series .310 8 28
Adam Dunn LF Series .237 27 57
Rich Aurilia 3B Series .263 11 34
Austin Kearns RF Series .273 16 50
Brandon Phillips 2B Series .310 7 44
Jason LaRue C Series .188 4 12
Bronson Arroyo P Series .163 2 6

Marcus Giles 2B Series .249 7 32
Edgar Renteria SS Series .313 9 35
Chipper Jones 3B Series .309 11 50
Andruw Jones CF Series .271 19 72
Brian McCann C Series .342 6 28
Jeff Francoeur RF Series .260 16 62
Adam LaRoche 1B Series .255 13 43
Ryan Langerhans LF Series .243 6 19
John Thomson P Series .267 0 4

So I guess Edwin is a bench player now?

There's a change....LaRoche isn't playing

Big Klu
07-09-2006, 02:02 PM
maybe the talented player isn't as healthy as Dr. reds44 thinks he is. I dunno?

See, people aren't reading the conspiracy right. Jerry doesn't have it in for Edwin--he has it in for reds44! Jerry stays awake in the middle of the night thinking, "How can I put the screws to reds44? I want to be the bane of his existence. I know! I'll bench Edwin! That'll drive drive reds44 nuts! BUAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! :devil: "

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:03 PM
See, people aren't reading the conspiracy right. Jerry doesn't have it in for Edwin--he has it in for reds44! Jerry stays awake in the middle of the night thinking, "How can I put the screws to reds44? I want to be the bane of his existence. I know! I'll bench Edwin! That'll drive drive reds44 nuts! BUAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! :devil: "
I knew it!!!!!

:evil:

PuffyPig
07-09-2006, 02:04 PM
There's a change....LaRoche isn't playing

Huh?? He's in the lineup.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:05 PM
Huh?? He's in the lineup.

I thought I heard he was taken out.

Maybe it's just one of those days... :p:

Jpup
07-09-2006, 02:06 PM
Let's Go Reds!:thumbup:

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:06 PM
I'd actually term it 100% certain that he doesn't get traded, at this point. He's too young and too inexpensive to trade at this point.

My question, though, is what Edwin Encarnacion has done thus season to make him this "untouchable" player that absolutely needs to be playing for Cincinnati to win. Now, I don't disagree that's it would be beneficial to EDWIN's development for him to be playing everyday, but fact of the matter is that Hatteberg has been far more productive than him this year, and Aurillia has been just about as productive.

Playing for the future and beyond, yeah -- Go Edwin. Playing for today -- flip a coin.

Edwin's been more productive than Aurilia when he's healthy. Considerably more.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:08 PM
line drive single for Freel.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Freel singles to left.

LaRoche was taken out of the lineup.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:08 PM
I thought I heard he was taken out.

Maybe it's just one of those days... :p:

He was a late scratch per WTBS.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:08 PM
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/shop/tools/img/items/SPC16GRG1002.02.jpg

Ladies and gentlemen: John Thomson.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Gotta love Freel....3 minutes in and his uniform is already dirty.

:laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:09 PM
He was a late scratch per WTBS.

Cool...I'm not crazy yet...........clinically. :D

Gainesville Red
07-09-2006, 02:09 PM
That...was a bad bunt.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:10 PM
That wasn't a good bunt.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:10 PM
LaRoche w/an upper respritory infection.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 02:10 PM
That wasn't a good bunt.

why was he bunting anyway?:bang:

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:10 PM
That wasn't a good bunt.

Horrible. Popped up, dropped, kicked...but Freel is still forced out at 2B.

Marc D
07-09-2006, 02:11 PM
why was he bunting anyway?:bang:

Exactly

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Lopez steals second.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2006, 02:11 PM
No Edwin again..........


Narron must be giving him extra rest.

Reds Fanatic
07-09-2006, 02:12 PM
Jones makes a great catch to rob Hatteberg

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:12 PM
Hatteberg robbed by Andrew Jones. But Hat is killing the ball lately.

kyred14
07-09-2006, 02:12 PM
Andrew Jones is one hell of a centerfielder.

RedsMan3203
07-09-2006, 02:12 PM
He Got It! He Got It! He Got It!

Jpup
07-09-2006, 02:12 PM
Jones makes a great catch to rob Dunn

Hat

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:12 PM
This team is a great big miasma of poo right now.

I can really understand the gnashing of teeth against the field manager and GM. This team is genuinely the same bunch of bungling idiocy as last year's squad.

They are hardwired to suck.

Reds Fanatic
07-09-2006, 02:14 PM
Dunn grounds out to 1st. Inning over.

Gainesville Red
07-09-2006, 02:15 PM
He Got It! He Got It! He Got It!

Grande? I'm watching TBS.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 02:17 PM
I want the Reds to win but I have to admit... I hope Aurilia makes about three errors.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:18 PM
Arroyo looking for his 10th win before the All-star break. Would be the first time since JIMMY HAYNES.

Marty: "I don't know how that happened."

:laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:18 PM
I want the Reds to win but I have to admit... I hope Aurilia makes about three errors.

No you don't ;)

RedsMan3203
07-09-2006, 02:19 PM
Arroyo looking for his 10th win before the All-star break. Would be the first time since JIMMY HAYNES.

Marty: "I don't know how that happened."

:laugh:


:help:

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:19 PM
Giles grounds out to Aurilia
Single for Renteria

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 02:19 PM
No you don't ;)

What?

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:20 PM
I want the Reds to win but I have to admit... I hope Aurilia makes about three errors.


You don't need to hope for anything: Rich will watch stuff go past him to his left sufficient to sink a battleship.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:22 PM
I think that was one of those unintentional intentional walks..

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:22 PM
Chipper hits a long fly ball to CF...caught by Freel
Jones walks. two on, two out for McCann.

doug flynn
07-09-2006, 02:23 PM
That stadium gun had Harang at 95 and BA just at 93. Me thinks it's a couple of MPH fast.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:23 PM
Well.....

Reds Fanatic
07-09-2006, 02:23 PM
McCann singles in a run. 1-0 Braves.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 02:23 PM
1-0 Braves...another 2 out RBI for the Braves.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:23 PM
I think that was one of those unintentional intentional walks..

I doubt it.

Why face a lefty the caliber of McCann when you can face a righty the caliber of Jones?

CTA513
07-09-2006, 02:24 PM
That walk to Jones doesnt look so good now.

:evil:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:25 PM
I doubt it.

Why face a lefty the caliber of McCann when you can face a righty the caliber of Jones?

Now I'm thinking it wasn't....:D

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:33 PM
The Reds are hitting the balls hard so far...eventually, (you'd think) they will fall.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:33 PM
Somebody get BP a slumpbuster. :devil:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:38 PM
um.....not good

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:39 PM
I want the Reds to win but I have to admit... I hope Aurilia makes about three errors.
+1

CTA513
07-09-2006, 02:39 PM
LaRue is calling for alot of pitches right over the middle of the plate.

:help:

SteelSD
07-09-2006, 02:39 PM
Arroyo's not fooling anyone right now.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:40 PM
LaRue is calling for alot of pitches right over the middle of the plate.

:help:

Get well soon, David Ross

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 02:40 PM
Arroyo is getting drilled.

This team is sinking faster than a boat anchor.

Gallen5862
07-09-2006, 02:43 PM
It doesn't look like Arroyo is comfortable with Larue as his catcher. I am wondering how much having his comfort zone with Ross being gone is effecting him. Plus still wondering about the Bullpen.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:45 PM
I'm about to scream.

Thank God there's a break coming up after today.

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:46 PM
Heh

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 02:46 PM
bronson just doesn't have it today

CTA513
07-09-2006, 02:46 PM
Didnt Arroyo get hammered the last time LaRue caught him in spring training?

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:47 PM
Well on our way to 15-21 when Edwin doesn't start.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:47 PM
I don't know how much LaRue has to do with this drilling, but if they can get a bucket of balls for him, trade him yesterday.

Gallen5862
07-09-2006, 02:48 PM
Yes Arroyo was. Then when he got Ross next start he said he had a comfort with Ross like he did with Varitek.

SteelSD
07-09-2006, 02:48 PM
It doesn't look like Arroyo is comfortable with Larue as his catcher. I am wondering how much having his comfort zone with Ross being gone is effecting him. Plus still wondering about the Bullpen.

Or maybe Arroyo's just regressing to the mean? Happens.

NC Reds
07-09-2006, 02:48 PM
I think I'll be watching the World Cup final instead of this mess. I never thought I would say that.

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 02:48 PM
arroyo walks another control has been lost today by bronson

Marc D
07-09-2006, 02:48 PM
I've been saying it all year. Arroyo is a career 4.5 ERA guy for a reason, he's just coming back down to earth.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 02:49 PM
This is getting painful to watch.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:49 PM
Or maybe Arroyo's just regressing to the mean? Happens.

Or, like Harang, getting worn down by constant 110+ pitch counts.

SteelSD
07-09-2006, 02:50 PM
Or, like Harang, getting worn down by constant 110+ pitch counts.

That's a fair point as well.

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:50 PM
Or, like Harang, getting worn down by constant 110+ pitch counts.
Yep.

Every single start Narron sends him out there and wears his arm out. Then he squeezes another start out of him before the break.

SteelSD
07-09-2006, 02:51 PM
Sac Fly Jones. That's a granny in many parks.

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 02:51 PM
get the pen ready early in this one

CTA513
07-09-2006, 02:51 PM
Arroyo already given up 4 runs and has thrown over 50 pitches in 2 innings.

Maybe they can ride him for 200 pitches today?

:evil:

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:52 PM
At least the future's game starts in 2 hours.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 02:54 PM
If Ross isnt ready for Arroyos next start then Nacho Libre should probably catch him.

Kc61
07-09-2006, 02:57 PM
Well on our way to 15-21 when Edwin doesn't start.

I have the perfect solution. Use EE where the Reds need it most: on the mound. He would undoubtedly be tough on righties with that sidearm delivery.

Joseph
07-09-2006, 02:58 PM
If Ross isnt ready for Arroyos next start then Nacho Libre should probably catch him.

Why would a second rate defensive catcher be the choice over our best defensive catcher?

reds44
07-09-2006, 02:59 PM
Braves bullpen coming in?

It ain't over yet!

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 02:59 PM
Meanwhile the offense is taking a big fresh dookie against one of the worst starters in the majors.

I'm beginning to suscribe to MarcD's "double-helix suck" theory.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Why would a second rate defensive catcher be the choice over our best defensive catcher?

Maybe he will call a better game?
Nevermind LaRue does call the best game... nothing like asking for pitches right down the middle.

;)

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Braves going to the pen!!!!

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Meanwhile the offense is taking a big fresh dookie against one of the worst starters in the majors.

I'm beginning to suscribe to MarcD's "double-helix suck" theory.
Doesn't help Junior, Edwin, and Ross aren't playing.

Part of that is Narron, part of it isn't.

Falls City Beer
07-09-2006, 03:01 PM
Braves going to the pen!!!!

Good lord, let's hope it's not the Barry kid.

:scared:

That kid was a brute. I imagine he's still got the Reds' lunch money after the other night.

toledodan
07-09-2006, 03:03 PM
Braves going to the pen!!!!


is this good or bad? thompson has been awful the last month and i was hoping they could get some offense going.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:03 PM
Hopefully Arroyo will settle down (he usually does).

With the Braves pen finishing this bad boy out for 6 innings, the Reds can capitalize.

Marc D
07-09-2006, 03:03 PM
Meanwhile the offense is taking a big fresh dookie against one of the worst starters in the majors.

I'm beginning to suscribe to MarcD's "double-helix suck" theory.

I wish it weren't so easy to believe.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:09 PM
That was a ball?

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:10 PM
Arroyo already at 73 pitches.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:11 PM
Arroyo already at 73 pitches.
He'll throw at least 150 today.

Finish what you started.

SteelSD
07-09-2006, 03:12 PM
That was a ball?

No. It was the same pitch he just got a called strike on.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:12 PM
Arroyo already at 73 pitches.

Ride him for 200 pitches. Hes off for 3 or 4 days so it wont matter.

:ughmamoru

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 03:13 PM
arroyo's breaking pitches just aren't there at times today to much break missing his spots

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 03:16 PM
dunn down on strikes

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:17 PM
1 run the last 13 innings.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:18 PM
Last year at the All-Star break the Reds were 18 games under .500, for what it's worth.

Spitball
07-09-2006, 03:25 PM
Last year at the All-Star break the Reds were 18 games under .500, for what it's worth.

:lastyear: I've laways wanted to use that smiley. :)

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:27 PM
Braves announcers think Bronson is tipping his pitches.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:29 PM
Dear Reds,

You can't win with 0 runs.

Thanks.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:31 PM
Dear Reds,

You can't win with 0 runs.

Thanks.
I'm glad Edwin isn't playing.

:evil:

You knew it was coming.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:32 PM
2 hits for the Reds mighty offense.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:33 PM
Dear Reds,

You can't win with 0 runs.

Thanks.

Dear Reds:

You can't win when your manager picks the batting order out of his hat everyday.

Thanks.

P.S. Start the same 8 for one complete series with the same batting order...just a thought

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:34 PM
Braves announcers think Bronson is tipping his pitches.

He thought he was doing that in May also. He thought he solved that problem

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:35 PM
Dear Reds:


P.S. Start the same 8 for one complete series with the same batting order...just a thought

Jerry actually addressed that today on the pregame. He said he would love a set lineup, but with the players they have, and so many capable of being everyday players, it's almost impossible to do.

Marc D
07-09-2006, 03:35 PM
Braves announcers think Bronson is tipping his pitches.

The way Danny Graves used to? Its more like a guy who lives and dies by his control of the breaking ball not having it today.

The guys a decent pitcher who's getting ready to see his stats even out after a monster first half. Be prepared for much more of this in the 2nd half.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:36 PM
Well, that was stupid.

Spitball
07-09-2006, 03:36 PM
Braves announcers think Bronson is tipping his pitches.


...and on that pitchout that got Freel.:angry:

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:37 PM
Jerry actually addressed that today on the pregame. He said he would love a set lineup, but with the players they have, and so many capable of being everyday players, it's almost impossible to do.

He was a bench player all his life...he thought he was a everyday player. That is how he coaches

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:38 PM
Freel's out of the game.

I think he may be in Jerry's doghouse.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:38 PM
The way Danny Graves used to? Its more like a guy who lives and dies by his control of the breaking ball not having it today.

The guys a decent pitcher who's getting ready to see his stats even out after a monster first half. Be prepared for much more of this in the 2nd half.

I agree, career numbers stay true over the long run.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:40 PM
Ball game. The reds are calling this one in:bang:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:40 PM
This game can't end soon enough.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:40 PM
Freel's out of the game.

I think he may be in Jerry's doghouse.
I am almost happy. This means Edwin will see the field.

How long are you going to leave Arroyo in Jerry?

Joseph
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Arroyo just doesn't have it today. No command.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
I am almost happy. This means Edwin will see the field.



Wise is in for him.

Griffey still on the bench.

Game still, kinda sorta, in reach.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Take him out....save his arm for the second half

OldXOhio
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Arroyo's getting smacked around pretty good now.

And tell me again why Francouer is seeing a steady diet of belt high fastballs?

Marc D
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Jerry actually addressed that today on the pregame. He said he would love a set lineup, but with the players they have, and so many capable of being everyday players, it's almost impossible to do.


Essentially admitting he lacks the mental facility to recognize our 8 best players and put them in a position to succeed every night. The delicious irony is he's not smart enough to realize he's admitting this. He thinks its ok to be confused about RA and Freel being role players or starters.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Why is Bronson still in?

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Arroyo just doesn't have it today. No command.

It happens.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:42 PM
Wise is in for him.

Griffey still on the bench.

Game still, kinda sorta, in reach.

Does Griffey have every Sunday off in his contract.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:42 PM
Arroyo's getting smacked around pretty good now.

And tell me again why Francouer is seeing a steady diet of belt high fastballs?

Thats what someone is calling for.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:42 PM
Why is Bronson still in?

Why not?

It's either him, which he has settled down for the most part, or the bullpen who can't get anybody out.

What's his pitch count?


EDIT: Nevermind.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:43 PM
I'm sorry but Narron is a stupid manager.

dsmith421
07-09-2006, 03:43 PM
I am almost happy. This means Edwin will see the field.

How long are you going to leave Arroyo in Jerry?

I love Edwin Encarnacion, but he cannot fix the starting pitching, the bullpen, improve Narron's substitution and pen usage patterns. So let's stop acting like he's a panacea for everything that ails this ballclub.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:43 PM
Bronson's done.

Bad day.

Bad series.

Bad week.

Bad month.

Gallen5862
07-09-2006, 03:44 PM
This could be Arroyos way to get back at the pen. He can say see you won't get a chance to blow my lead today lol. :)

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:45 PM
I'm sorry but Narron is a stupid manager.

He's supposed to do what, exactly?

Put in the bullpen to give up more runs and be called an idiot for that?

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:46 PM
He's supposed to do what, exactly?

Put in the bullpen to give up more runs and be called an idiot for that?


It would be better than letting his top pitcher get hammered.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:46 PM
Hey Matt 700wlw

tell me how it worked out?

When K got his contract extension, did HE extend Narrons, or did the ownership?

Narron is now under .500 as the Reds manager...right?

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:47 PM
Matt Belisle? I thought he was dead.

:eek:


;)

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:47 PM
It would be better than letting his top pitcher get hammered.

It's done now...

How many pitches did Arroyo throw?

EDIT: He threw 105

CrackerJack
07-09-2006, 03:47 PM
It happens.

I wish we could say this was a one-time "it happens" scenario...last time out wasn't any better and he has gotten increasingly worse of late.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 03:47 PM
Ball game. The reds are calling this one in:bang:

They had plenty of these under Miley too.

I know piling on Narron is all the rage these days, but at some point the Reds players need to take on some of the blame.

Tornon
07-09-2006, 03:48 PM
Arroyo threw 105 pitches

Jpup
07-09-2006, 03:48 PM
Thats what someone is calling for.

BS

he's just missing his spots. don't blame it on anyone but Arroyo.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:49 PM
It's done now...

How many pitches did Arroyo throw?

105 pitches in 4.1 Innings and allowed 6 runs to score and 13 base runners.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:49 PM
They had plenty of these under Miley too.

I know piling on Narron is all the rage these days, but at some point the Reds players need to take on some of the blame.
Well we have 3 hits, part of that goes to the stupid lineup that Narron puts out there.

Lik ebatting Phillips 7th and Felipe 2nd, and not playing Griffey when we have the next 3 days off, or not playing Edwin.

VR
07-09-2006, 03:49 PM
Ball game. The reds are calling this one in:bang:

A few games back, Hatt was asked what it would take for this team to stay in the playoff hunt. His response completely caught me by surprise. Instead of things like health, a couple more arms, lucky breaks....he simply stated 'mental toughness'. He went on to talk about the daily grind, especially as the year goes on, and the need for a player to approach every at bat or pitch with ultimate focus.

Sadly, that hasn't been a trait this team has possessed since about '99.

I have such respect for Bobby Cox, and his ability to take any calibre of player and get them to perform at their ultimate level....and to me the biggest part of that is mental toughness.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:50 PM
They had plenty of these under Miley too.

I know piling on Narron is all the rage these days, but at some point the Reds players need to take on some of the blame.

No one to lead, no one to throw a chair around the clubhouse and explain to these guys that we are letting the season slip away.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:50 PM
I wish we could say this was a one-time "it happens" scenario...last time out wasn't any better and he has gotten increasingly worse of late.

Aside from his one inning, he threw a 1 hitter last time.

This time was a lot worse than that, though.

I hope he's ok.

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:52 PM
BS

he's just missing his spots. don't blame it on anyone but Arroyo.

Just so happens that Arroyo has been hammered both times that LaRue has caught him.

:beerme:

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:53 PM
:dunn:

:jump:


This just got interesting again.

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:53 PM
GONE!!!

ADAM BOMB!!!

6-3

this game ain't over yet.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 03:53 PM
3-run HR for Dunn. 6-3 Braves.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:53 PM
The chances of our bullpen holding them to 6 runs is???

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:54 PM
Adam is having a pretty good July so far..right?:beerme:

Jpup
07-09-2006, 03:54 PM
Just so happens that Arroyo has been hammered both times that LaRue has caught him.

:beerme:

have you been watching the game? Arroyo was all over the place.:beerme:

CrackerJack
07-09-2006, 03:55 PM
Aside from his one inning, he threw a 1 hitter last time.

This time was a lot worse than that, though.

I hope he's ok.

True, this outing was worse over-all, but the same outcome still existed.

I think it's obvious he's coming back to earth, and I guess all you can do is hope he gets it back together some time soon - because if this is the real Arroyo we're seeing now, the Reds are in trouble. You almost hope he's hurt with something relatively minor, that can heal.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 03:55 PM
Marlins pitcher Olsen and 3rd baseman Cabrera almost go at it in the dugout today (v. Mets). Seems Cabrera did a little "ole" job on a ball down the line and didn't like the look that Olsen shot him.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 03:55 PM
Scott Olsen and Miguel Cabrera just got into a "fight" in the Marlins dugout. :laugh:

Marc D
07-09-2006, 03:56 PM
A few games back, Hatt was asked what it would take for this team to stay in the playoff hunt. His response completely caught me by surprise. Instead of things like health, a couple more arms, lucky breaks....he simply stated 'mental toughness'. He went on to talk about the daily grind, especially as the year goes on, and the need for a player to approach every at bat or pitch with ultimate focus.

Sadly, that hasn't been a trait this team has possessed since about '99.

I have such respect for Bobby Cox, and his ability to take any calibre of player and get them to perform at their ultimate level....and to me the biggest part of that is mental toughness.

I hadn't seen that quote but it fits with my theory that losing is just ingrained in these guys. They've just been saturated in it for too long now.

The massive rebuild job I propose takes this into account and jettisons almost everyone who has been a Red more than 1 year not named Harang.

Big Klu
07-09-2006, 03:56 PM
Three-run HR, Dunn!

Adam is now tied with Vada Pinson for eighth place on the Reds' career HR list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
8. Adam Dunn - 186
10. Wally Post - 172
11. Gus Bell - 160
12. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 156
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:57 PM
Adam is having a pretty good July so far..right?:beerme:

Batting over .300 for the month. First time he's ever done that.

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 03:57 PM
i wouldnt' mind having scott olsen

CTA513
07-09-2006, 03:57 PM
have you been watching the game? Arroyo was all over the place.:beerme:

Yes I have been watching the game.
Yes Arroyo has been all over the place.
Yes Arroyo threw waist high fastballs to Francoeur and Thorman, but thats what was called.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:58 PM
Scott Olsen and Miguel Cabrera just got into a "fight" in the Marlins dugout. :laugh:

that's what we need when some of our infielders "dog up" a play.
It shows passion.

NJReds
07-09-2006, 03:58 PM
i wouldnt' mind having scott olsen

I wouldn't mind having M. Cabrera.

Or both, for that matter.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 03:58 PM
Freel: sore right shoulder.

I don't know about that.

Red in Chicago
07-09-2006, 03:58 PM
Batting over .300 for the month. First time he's ever done that.

this is adam dunn...batting average doesn't mean anything ;)

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:58 PM
I wouldn't mind having M. Cabrera.

Or both, for that matter.
Or Uggla
Or Hanley Ramirez
or Willis

or like half that team.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 03:59 PM
Batting over .300 for the month. First time he's ever done that.

Hey matt, did you see the question I had for you?

reds44
07-09-2006, 03:59 PM
Freel has a hurt shoulder.

Didn't sound serious.

Joseph
07-09-2006, 04:00 PM
Just so happens that Arroyo has been hammered both times that LaRue has caught him.

:beerme:

You don't like LaRue, we get it. But when was the other time LaRue caught him?

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 04:00 PM
Batting over .300 for the month. First time he's ever done that.

First time Dunn has hit over .300 in a month? That's not true.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 04:00 PM
Yes I have been watching the game.
Yes Arroyo has been all over the place.
Yes Arroyo threw waist high fastballs to Francoeur and Thorman, but thats what was called.

nobody's calling waist high fastballs.

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 04:01 PM
First time Dunn has hit over .300 in a month? That's not true.

I thought I saw that somewhere....

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 04:01 PM
Hey matt, did you see the question I had for you?

I missed it. What was it?

George Foster
07-09-2006, 04:01 PM
Ears trying to steal...again...at least he's not calling it in

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:02 PM
Wow the Braves are stealing signs. They knew AK was going before he went.

Big Klu
07-09-2006, 04:02 PM
Freel has a hurt shoulder.

Didn't sound serious.


He may have jammed it on that head-first slide on the stolen base attempt.

Marc D
07-09-2006, 04:02 PM
Freel has a hurt shoulder.

Didn't sound serious.

After a month in AAA he can start playing for the Reds once a week to make sure its 100%.

Jpup
07-09-2006, 04:02 PM
why are they stealing bases down 3 runs?:thumbdown

CTA513
07-09-2006, 04:02 PM
nobody's calling waist high fastballs.

I guess LaRue is holding up his glove waist high for no reason.

:eek:

Jpup
07-09-2006, 04:03 PM
After a month in AAA he can start playing for the Reds once a week to make sure its 100%.

nah, he's scrappy.

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:04 PM
why are they stealing bases down 3 runs?:thumbdown
It's only the 6th. Try to get yourself in scoring position.

OldXOhio
07-09-2006, 04:04 PM
Don't know if this has been discussed already, but the Braves seem to be on top of everything the Reds are doing today.

For one of the few times I've been forced to listen to the guy, I actually agree w/ Chip Caray that Pat Corrales may know our signs.

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 04:04 PM
larue needs to go yard here

Jpup
07-09-2006, 04:04 PM
I guess LaRue is holding up his glove waist high for no reason.

:eek:

he's telling him to throw it high, as in letter or shoulder high.

i'm done arguing, you are just being silly.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 04:04 PM
why are they stealing bases down 3 runs?:thumbdown

one run at a time, best contact hitter was up, not a bad idea. It's just the 6th

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:05 PM
Tieing run up!

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 04:06 PM
I thought I saw that somewhere....

Adam Dunn

May 2002-.323 BA
June 2002-.303 BA
April 2004-.328 BA

VR
07-09-2006, 04:06 PM
see a pitch or two kenny

George Foster
07-09-2006, 04:06 PM
Why Jr was not in this line-up with Thompson pitching is beyond reason.

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:06 PM
Pitching change?

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 04:07 PM
Adam Dunn

May 2002-.323 BA
June 2002-.303 BA
April 2004-.328 BA

Maybe I am losing it. :D

Spitball
07-09-2006, 04:08 PM
What were the Braves' announcers saying abut Carl Crawford rumors?

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 04:08 PM
mcbride in to face junior

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:08 PM
Let's Go Junior!!

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:10 PM
What are you swinging at?

CTA513
07-09-2006, 04:10 PM
he's telling him to throw it high, as in letter or shoulder high.

i'm done arguing, you are just being silly.

If he wants im to throw it high then do what Ross does and stand up.
The target he shows is waist high and thats were Arroyo was throwing it.
Theres a reason why Arroyo has Ross catching for him and not LaRue.

But Im just being silly so please dont reply to this.


:dancingco

George Foster
07-09-2006, 04:11 PM
take a walk

reds44
07-09-2006, 04:11 PM
Wow Junior.

wow

NJReds
07-09-2006, 04:11 PM
Griffey K'd on two balls way out of the zone.

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 04:11 PM
bad swing there

Matt700wlw
07-09-2006, 04:11 PM
That sucked.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2006, 04:12 PM
Griffey has NO plate discipline. That was possibily the worst swing I have ever seen. Seriously.

George Foster
07-09-2006, 04:12 PM
wow no were close to the strike zone. Like he made up his mind to swing before the pitch

VR
07-09-2006, 04:12 PM
2-1 pitch was in the dirt, swung at for strike 2
3-2 pitch was in the dirt badly, swung at for strike 3. I don't know what the deal is, but Griffey has never, ever been so impatient at the plate.

LincolnparkRed
07-09-2006, 04:12 PM
griffey already mentally on vacation

captainmorgan07
07-09-2006, 04:12 PM
3 more chances to score againt that braves pen i like our chances