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Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 03:14 PM
It can be the game thread, I don't care.






Could this be a playoff preview?




New York Mets
Lineup

Name Series/vs AVG HR RBI

Jose Reyes SS Series .300 8 41
vs. pitcher .667 0 0

Paul Lo Duca C Series .300 3 30
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Carlos Beltran CF Series .276 26 73
vs. pitcher .500 0 1

Carlos Delgado 1B Series .252 22 57
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

David Wright 3B Series .319 21 77
vs. pitcher 1.000 2 4

Cliff Floyd LF Series .256 9 32
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Xavier Nady RF Series .260 12 34
vs. pitcher .500 0 1

Jose Valentin 2B Series .284 9 36
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Mike Pelfrey P Series .000 0 0
vs. pitcher --- 0 0



Starting Pitcher

Name Series/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA

Mike Pelfrey P Series 1 0 0 3.60
vs. Reds 0 0 0 ---



Cincinnati Reds
Lineup

Name Series/vs AVG HR RBI

Chris Denorfia RF Series .318 0 3
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Adam Dunn LF Series .248 30 64
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Ken Griffey Jr. CF Series .253 19 51
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Rich Aurilia 3B Series .275 11 36
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Scott Hatteberg 1B Series .311 8 29
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Brandon Phillips 2B Series .294 7 45
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Royce Clayton SS Series .272 0 30
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Jason LaRue C Series .197 4 14
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Eric Milton P Series .200 0 2
vs. pitcher --- 0 0



Starting Pitcher

Name Series/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA

Eric Milton P Series 6 4 0 5.19
vs. Mets 0 1 0 12.46


Edit: I added the line ups for those late to the party.

NJReds
07-18-2006, 03:20 PM
The way things are shaping up, it certainly looks like it'll be

Mets v. Wildcard
St. Louis v. West

But the Cards may not win the division (if their pitching continues to falter) and there is an outside shot that the Braves win the wildcard.

Blimpie
07-18-2006, 03:24 PM
I know that some people may suggest that I be drug tested for saying this...but I still think the Braves can make a real run at the NL Wild Card (providing that their key players are not all sold off in the next month or so).

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 03:25 PM
I know that some people may suggest that I be drug tested for saying this...but I still think the Braves can make a real run at the NL Wild Card (providing that their key players are not all sold off in the next month or so).

If anybody can.....it's Bobby Cox

reds44
07-18-2006, 03:26 PM
Edwin better be playing tonight.

that is all.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 03:32 PM
Edwin better be playing tonight.

that is all.not likely, he needs a couple of more days to rest that ankle. :thumbup:

zombie-a-go-go
07-18-2006, 03:34 PM
I know that some people may suggest that I be drug tested for saying this...but I still think the Braves can make a real run at the NL Wild Card (providing that their key players are not all sold off in the next month or so).

That'll be the Cards' problem, not Cinci's.

Blimpie
07-18-2006, 03:37 PM
That'll be the Cards' problem, not Cinci's.Zombie, I love your optomism but I still think we are one solid starter away from siezing control of the division...

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 03:44 PM
Keep talking playoffs and anger the baseball Gods

;)

Joseph
07-18-2006, 03:49 PM
Keep talking playoffs and anger the baseball Gods

;)

Pshh. I say you no help me Jobu, then screw you Jobu, I do it myself.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 03:50 PM
Edwin better be playing tonight.

that is all.

Anyone see Narron's comments on Edwin yesterday (may have been the day before)?

reds44
07-18-2006, 03:52 PM
Anyone see Narron's comments on Edwin yesterday (may have been the day before)?
No what did he say?????

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 03:54 PM
No what did he say?????

He's one of the hardest working players he's ever played with. He's out early every single day with Bucky taking infield practice, and doing that is what makes guys better players. He has no reason to believe he won't continue to improve.

He also said pretty much the opposite about Felipe....he said he can become a great shortstop if he wants to work at it.

That could be a big part of why Edwin is still here, and Lopez is not.



I'll see if I can find the article and start a thread about it

Puffy
07-18-2006, 03:54 PM
Pshh. I say you no help me Jobu, then screw you Jobu, I do it myself.

Why do you want my dog to help you? And she is fixed, so there is little to no chance of her screwing you!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/825505/339479.jpg

reds44
07-18-2006, 03:55 PM
He's one of the hardest working players he's ever played with. He's out early every single day with Bucky taking infield practice, and doing that is what makes guys better players. He has no reason to believe he won't continue to improve.

He also said pretty much the opposite about Felipe....he said he can become a great shortstop if he wants to work at it.

That could be a big part of why Edwin is still here, and Lopez is not.



I'll see if I can find the article and start a thread about it
Wow that is a huge compliment to Edwin, and refreshing to hear.

:clap:

Thanks Matt.

VR
07-18-2006, 04:10 PM
Wow that is a huge compliment to Edwin, and refreshing to hear.

:clap:

Thanks Matt.


Conspiracey cover up. That's all. :)

oneupper
07-18-2006, 04:12 PM
He's one of the hardest working players he's ever played with. He's out early every single day with Bucky taking infield practice, and doing that is what makes guys better players. He has no reason to believe he won't continue to improve.

He also said pretty much the opposite about Felipe....he said he can become a great shortstop if he wants to work at it.

That could be a big part of why Edwin is still here, and Lopez is not.



I'll see if I can find the article and start a thread about it


Well, that's news. I always made Lopez out to be a hard worker and read some things along those lines. Guess he was always working on his hitting?

flyer85
07-18-2006, 04:13 PM
Conspiracey cover up. That's all. :)He's trying to throw you off until you find out Edwin is out of the lineup tonight. :fineprint

Johnny Footstool
07-18-2006, 04:17 PM
Well, that's news. I always made Lopez out to be a hard worker and read some things along those lines. Guess he was always working on his hitting?

Team Clark said that Lopez worked extremely hard on his fielding.

smith288
07-18-2006, 04:19 PM
Well, that's news. I always made Lopez out to be a hard worker and read some things along those lines. Guess he was always working on his hitting?
Felipe is a hard worker. I read where he hired a special forces dude to train him in order to get him ready physically but I think thats a tad different than working hard defensively.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 04:21 PM
Team Clark said that Lopez worked extremely hard on his fielding.

I think I would have retained Lopez and shifted him to left field and Dunn to first.

But that's blood under the bridge.

VR
07-18-2006, 04:22 PM
Interesting tidbits from yahoo sports on the game preview....


The Reds' play, and their morale, have improved since the team bolstered its bullpen with a pair of recent trades.

Bullpen problems plagued the Reds as they lost eight of nine leading up to the All-Star break, but the sweep of the Rockies kept Cincinnati in first place in the wild-card race and within striking distance of NL Central-leading St. Louis.

"The attitude is we're in a situation where it's going to be a lot of fun over the next couple of weeks, and the more wins we have, the more fun it is," Cincinnati's Ken Griffey Jr. said. "If we continue to do the little things, big things will come."

New closer Eddie Guardado earned his third save of the series Sunday. The Reds got Guardado in a July 6 trade with Seattle, and also obtained relievers Gary Majewski and Bill Bray as part of an eight-player deal with Washington before the series opener against the Rockies.

Bray earned the win in the Reds' 3-2 victory Saturday with a scoreless inning. Majewski struggled in his first two outings with Cincinnati, giving up three runs in 1 1-3 innings over two games of the Colorado series. He's allowed six runs in his last three games after nine consecutive appearances without giving up a run.

"I think the team knows that the front office is doing what they can to help us win," manager Jerry Narron said. "I think those trades kind of rejuvenated the team a little bit."

Puffy
07-18-2006, 04:28 PM
Interesting tidbits from yahoo sports on the game preview....

Or it could be that they just played a Rockies team that has overacheived all year and is just beginning a realistic crash down to the mean.

In short, I don't think 4 games is enough to make a judgment.

37red
07-18-2006, 04:29 PM
44, you're almost an easy target, you have to take that free EE sign off your post. You've heard about how often people get misled on the internet....

smith288
07-18-2006, 04:33 PM
Or it could be that they just played a Rockies team that has overacheived all year and is just beginning a realistic crash down to the mean.

In short, I don't think 4 games is enough to make a judgment.
Wow... your enthusiasm for the quick start out of the break is astounding.

37red
07-18-2006, 04:35 PM
At least one of those games we have to give to the Rockies relief pitchers. They really handed it to us. This series should be a good test of how the mental strength of redszone and the team is. We will also get to see how the relief pitching and offense does.

Johnny Footstool
07-18-2006, 04:37 PM
I think I would have retained Lopez and shifted him to left field and Dunn to first.

But that's blood under the bridge.

I thought Narron's comments were pretty interesting. It appears he didn't like Lopez's work ethic, which TC said was impeccable. There's a disconnection somewhere.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 04:39 PM
Wow... your enthusiasm for the quick start out of the break is astounding.

Do I have to check my enthusiam levels to meet your specifications?

I'm responding to the bolded quote in the article which states that the trade rejuvinated the Reds - and I'm offering another possible reason. 4 games is too small a period to judge whether either is right.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 04:39 PM
I thought Narron's comments were pretty interesting. It appears he didn't like Lopez's work ethic, which TC said was impeccable. There's a disconnection somewhere.

I'm not trying to be rude to anyone, but I largely dismiss personal testimonies (good and bad alike) of work ethic. It's so nebulous and subjective.

I just think Felipe's iron hands and clumsy feet could have been stowed easily in left while his bat came around again.

pedro
07-18-2006, 04:42 PM
Puffy is right. No sense in getting excited about a 4 game winning streak as manic as this team has been this year. I'll get excited when they put up a good month again.

Ltlabner
07-18-2006, 04:43 PM
Do I have to check my enthusiam levels to meet your specifications?

Certinally not. But people always going to the negative reason first, and always going for a reason that doesn't give the Reds any sort of credit does get very old. Perhaps that was what he was reacting to.

I'm not saying you always do this, but it is a common thread around here. The general idea of "it has to the be other team stinking" or "it's the schedule" or "its a small sample size". That sort of thing..anything besides the Reds did something right. One does get the fealing that some here think the Reds are not capable of any good in any shape, form or fashion.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 04:49 PM
Certinally not. But people always going to the negative reason first, and always going for a reason that doesn't give the Reds any sort of credit does get very old. Perhaps that was what he was reacting to.

I'm not saying you always do this, but it is a common thread around here. The general idea of "it has to the be other team stinking" or "it's the schedule" or "its a small sample size". That sort of thing..anything besides the Reds did something right. One does get the fealing that some here think the Reds are not capable of any good in any shape, form or fashion.

Yup, thats me - in your two months here you really have me pegged.

Good job :thumbup:

Ltlabner
07-18-2006, 04:50 PM
Yup, thats me - in your two months here you really have me pegged.

Good job :thumbup:


And which part of "I'm not saying you always do this, but it is a common thread around here." didn't you understand? ;)

flyer85
07-18-2006, 04:52 PM
If the Reds want to impress everybody, sweep the Mets.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 04:53 PM
And which part of "I'm not saying you always do this, but it is a common thread around here." didn't you understand? ;)

When you say "I'm not saying you always do this" it implies that I do it at least some of the time. When the truth is you really have no idea what I've done in the over 5 years I've been on here.

Ltlabner
07-18-2006, 04:53 PM
If the Reds want to impress everybody, sweep the Mets.

Something we can all agree on!

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 04:56 PM
:laugh:
Why do you want my dog to help you? And she is fixed, so there is little to no chance of her screwing you!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/825505/339479.jpg
:laugh: :laugh:

zombie-a-go-go
07-18-2006, 05:00 PM
When you say "I'm not saying you always do this" it implies that I do it at least some of the time. When the truth is you really have no idea what I've done in the over 5 years I've been on here.

Well, I can say that in two years you've proven yourself to be a big knucklehead. :cool:

Phhhl
07-18-2006, 05:00 PM
I agree that this could be a seminol point in the season if the Reds were to win this series. Not necessarily a sweep, but just two out of three. The Mets are not as good as the Tigers and White Sox (the two best teams we have faced all year). But, they are very, very good nonetheless. The Reds are going to have to get early leads on their starters and put some of that new reflief pitching to work. I am excited about this series.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 05:02 PM
Well, I can say that in two years you've proven yourself to be a big knucklehead. :cool:

See if I buy you any beers on my next trip to Cincy. And when I do, and I call the Call Girl again, this time I won't hide, I'll pay the $170 bucks and leave you at the bar alone.

Jerk.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 05:03 PM
It's raining.

:yikes:

Fullboat
07-18-2006, 05:05 PM
It's raining.

:yikes:

Its probably a thunderstorm wait 15min.:)

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 05:06 PM
, and I call the Call Girl again,

I can't believe you used her given name. Shame. :)

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Its probably a thunderstorm wait 15min.:)

I think it stopped already. :)

Fullboat
07-18-2006, 05:10 PM
Lets hope Narron does his best impression of Captian Hook if
Milty redlines.

BrooklynRedz
07-18-2006, 05:27 PM
Lets hope Narron does his best impression of Captian Hook if
Milty redlines.

I like your use of the word "if" there...as though it's still in doubt.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 05:29 PM
I like your use of the word "if" there...as though it's still in doubt.

I tell ya: no end to the generosity around these parts.

WVRedsFan
07-18-2006, 05:30 PM
Son and friends are there tonight. If it rains, I can't imagine how they'll feell after driving 6 hours.

Let's hope for a win for the boys!

M2
07-18-2006, 05:32 PM
I thought Narron's comments were pretty interesting. It appears he didn't like Lopez's work ethic, which TC said was impeccable. There's a disconnection somewhere.

Seeing that Felipe Lopez worked his way back from a potentially career-ending injury and fixed major flaws with his baserunning, hitting and even fielding (lest we forget how bad it was when he first arrived), I'm going with Narron as the guy with the possible disconnect.

Lopez demonstrated character by fighting through multiple failures and turning himself into a player. He put his work ethic on display for all to see. Plus, Barry Larkin seems to think highly of the kid and it will be interest to see how Felipe fares now that he's back under the wing of his mentor.

37red
07-18-2006, 05:33 PM
I'll tip one to that. Let's have a win for the boys, and girls.

TRF
07-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Seeing that Felipe Lopez worked his way back from a potentially career-ending injury and fixed major flaws with his baserunning, hitting and even fielding (lest we forget how bad it was when he first arrived), I'm going with Narron as the guy with the possible disconnect.

Lopez demonstrated character by fighting through multiple failures and turning himself into a player. He put his work ethic on display for all to see. Plus, Barry Larkin seems to think highly of the kid and it will be interest to see how Felipe fares now that he's back under the wing of his mentor.

Ya know, I was thinking the same thing.When the media was trying to make FeLo/Rey Rey into another Stillwell/Larkin competition, Barry quashed it by putting all his support behind Lopez.

I'm betting he thrives in Washington.

kyred14
07-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Son and friends are there tonight. If it rains, I can't imagine how they'll feell after driving 6 hours.

Let's hope for a win for the boys!

Driving six hours to watch Milton. Those are some commited Reds fans right there. ;)

RBA
07-18-2006, 05:57 PM
New York Mets
Lineup

Name Series/vs AVG HR RBI

Jose Reyes SS Series .300 8 41
vs. pitcher .667 0 0

Paul Lo Duca C Series .300 3 30
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Carlos Beltran CF Series .276 26 73
vs. pitcher .500 0 1

Carlos Delgado 1B Series .252 22 57
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

David Wright 3B Series .319 21 77
vs. pitcher 1.000 2 4

Cliff Floyd LF Series .256 9 32
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Xavier Nady RF Series .260 12 34
vs. pitcher .500 0 1

Jose Valentin 2B Series .284 9 36
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Mike Pelfrey P Series .000 0 0
vs. pitcher --- 0 0



Starting Pitcher

Name Series/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA

Mike Pelfrey P Series 1 0 0 3.60
vs. Reds 0 0 0 ---



Cincinnati Reds
Lineup

Name Series/vs AVG HR RBI

Chris Denorfia RF Series .318 0 3
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Adam Dunn LF Series .248 30 64
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Ken Griffey Jr. CF Series .253 19 51
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Rich Aurilia 3B Series .275 11 36
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Scott Hatteberg 1B Series .311 8 29
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Brandon Phillips 2B Series .294 7 45
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Royce Clayton SS Series .272 0 30
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Jason LaRue C Series .197 4 14
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Eric Milton P Series .200 0 2
vs. pitcher --- 0 0



Starting Pitcher

Name Series/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA

Eric Milton P Series 6 4 0 5.19
vs. Mets 0 1 0 12.46

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 05:57 PM
What a joke.

Narron sucks.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 05:58 PM
Screw Narron. I want Bob Boone or Dave Miley.

What a pathetic manager.

BoydsOfSummer
07-18-2006, 05:58 PM
A-Rod has 13 errors at 3rd and he's a glod glover. PLAY EDWIN,DAMMIT!!

RBA
07-18-2006, 06:00 PM
Has Edwin been traded to the Cards for Weaver? ;)

Puffy
07-18-2006, 06:00 PM
What a joke.

Narron sucks.

Ya know, I honestly think (and this is purely my thinking, others feel his ankle is still not 100%, so who really knows for sure), but I honestly believe EdE is healthy and that Narron feels that since the Reds are in a pennant race that Aurilia is the better option at third, plain and simple.

And that scares me for the future.

reds44
07-18-2006, 06:01 PM
boo

PuffyPig
07-18-2006, 06:01 PM
I think I would have retained Lopez and shifted him to left field and Dunn to first.


A SS with a .750 OPS is pretty good. Shift him to LF, and he becomes a black hole. I think second base was a better thought.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 06:02 PM
Screw Narron. I want Bob Boone or Dave Miley.

What a pathetic manager.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never say that! Bob Boone couldn't successfully manage Walmart - never, never, never say this again or I shall be forced to place you on ignore!

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 06:03 PM
Ya know, I honestly think (and this is purely my thinking, others feel his ankle is still not 100%, so who really knows for sure), but I honestly believe EdE is healthy and that Narron feels that since the Reds are in a pennant race that Aurilia is the better option at third, plain and simple.

And that scares me for the future.

That's exactly what I think too. But, of course, a few posters will come in and call us Oliver Stone and make some wise cracks and say that EE will be the 3B when he is 100% healthy.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 06:03 PM
I'm not giving Rich a night off if I'm playing the hot hand; instead, I give Mr. Phillips the pine. He's tin-toilet-seat-in-Siberia cold right now.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 06:03 PM
A SS with a .750 OPS is pretty good. Shift him to LF, and he becomes a black hole. I think second base was a better thought.

Me too - although a lot of people have made the assertion that he wouldn't be a good second basemen either. Not getting to see him as much as others I shall defer whether or not that would be correct, but based on my gut I agree with you wholeheartedly.

WVRedsFan
07-18-2006, 06:03 PM
Driving six hours to watch Milton. Those are some commited Reds fans right there. ;)


They are. When the old man balked at this game, they pressed on without me.

BTW, they are lost in Alexandria, KY right now and trying to get back to I-75. One of the boys is the son of the Baptist preacher in town and he sold them on a shortcut. Hope they make it there before the National Anthem.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 06:05 PM
I hope Rich commits four errors tonight and goes 0-for-5. But he will play again tomorrow anyway. EE makes an error he gets benched, Rich makes one and plays the next day and bats fourth.

Tommyjohn25
07-18-2006, 06:06 PM
Screw Narron. I want Bob Boone or Dave Miley.

What a pathetic manager.


Easy bro, I'm as big a fan of EE as anyone on this board, but to wish for Miley or even worse Boone back is a little ridiculous. Narron has this team in a race for the Pennant and leading the Wild Card, lineups be damned, wins are what matter.

WVRedsFan
07-18-2006, 06:06 PM
I'm not giving Rich a night off if I'm playing the hot hand; instead, I give Mr. Phillips the pine. He's tin-toilet-seat-in-Siberia cold right now.

I've gotta use that. Great line, FCB :thumbup:

reds44
07-18-2006, 06:06 PM
Why do you sit Edwin when he has been on base 7 of his last 9 plate appearances?

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 06:06 PM
A SS with a .750 OPS is pretty good. Shift him to LF, and he becomes a black hole. I think second base was a better thought.

You'd see the same kind of crap fielding from him at second--he's got a bad body type for pivot positions, like SS and 2nd.

I for one don't see Felipe as a .750 OPS kind of guy--I think in his peak years he'll OPS steadily in the .800-.825 range, which isn't a black hole in left.

Tommyjohn25
07-18-2006, 06:08 PM
I hope Rich commits four errors tonight and goes 0-for-5.


Do you hope they lose too? Because if that happens it's likely that will be the outcome.

Caveat Emperor
07-18-2006, 06:08 PM
Ya know, I honestly think (and this is purely my thinking, others feel his ankle is still not 100%, so who really knows for sure), but I honestly believe EdE is healthy and that Narron feels that since the Reds are in a pennant race that Aurilia is the better option at third, plain and simple.

And that scares me for the future.

I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 06:09 PM
I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

You're giving Narron way to much credit. IMO.

He thinks RA is a solid vet who knows how to play the game the right way.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 06:09 PM
I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

I hope you are right. Man, I hope you're right.

DoogMinAmo
07-18-2006, 06:11 PM
I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

Seems likely after reading TC's Texas trade on Live!

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 06:11 PM
I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

You may be right.

But I suspect that anything that the Reds get back in trade for Rich probably won't equal Rich's current level of offensive production, which is respectable.

Diminishing returns (or maybe a trade for a very good, but very young, prospect). Still, nothing that would impact the MLB team.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 06:11 PM
a bad body type for pivot positions, like SS and 2nd.



Wanna see a good body type?


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1094821/jessica_alba_004.jpg

VR
07-18-2006, 06:15 PM
I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

Someone in here made the observation that EE still didn't look 100% running on that ankle at a game this weekend.


BTW, how's the weather looking? I need to decide if I'm going to skip out early to catch the game on EI. :thumbup:

Caveat Emperor
07-18-2006, 06:18 PM
Diminishing returns (or maybe a trade for a very good, but very young, prospect). Still, nothing that would impact the MLB team.

True, but if the NL remains bunched up, you'll find way more buyers than you will sellers. If that happens, then the buyers in both leagues will have to start swapping with one another -- trading needs for strengths.

That's why, although the principals coming back don't make sense, TC's Texas/Cincy trade makes a fair bit of sense -- if you package a bat like Aurillia with a young 5th starter/swingman like Germano you might be surprised at the type of return that is possible to get this year.

Of course, if the NL shakes out and a ton of teams start to sell off, all bets are off.

Hubba
07-18-2006, 06:23 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 06:25 PM
I wonder why Edwin's ankle was healthy enough to play everyday at Louisville but not in Cincinnati?

Cyclone792
07-18-2006, 06:25 PM
I disagree.

I think it's pretty clear they're showcasing Aurillia's bat to see if he can't grab some attention and value for himself as a chip at the deadline. They can't afford to put Hatteberg's ~.900 OPS on the bench, so Edwin becomes the odd man out leading up to the deadline.

That's my read on the situation, based on Narron's comments about liking EE's work and the popular belief the Reds aren't done trading yet.

As much as I hope you're right, I can't give anything regarding jettisoning Rich Aurilia at the deadline any sort of benefit of the doubt.

I gave the organization the benefit of the doubt last season at the trading deadline by holding onto Aurilia, believing that they'd screw with his playing time, piss him off and then offer him arbitration with the hope that he'd decline it and we'd gain a supplemental draft pick.

Instead all they did was resign him, though luckily he's played well enough so far this season to warrant the extension.

I got burned once with Aurilia; I can't open myself up to being burned again!

Tommyjohn25
07-18-2006, 06:26 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


:confused: Why so sad?? We can make it 5 in a row tonight!

Cyclone792
07-18-2006, 06:26 PM
Wanna see a good body type?


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1094821/jessica_alba_004.jpg

I'm quoting this post simply because I want to see this picture at the top of page five for me in the game thread.

Puffy rulz! (If that isn't copyrighted, I claim it now!)

Hubba
07-18-2006, 06:31 PM
All the whining and crying.
:confused: Why so sad?? We can make it 5 in a row tonight!

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 06:35 PM
I really hope Milton has no plans to pitch to Wright this evening. That would be a real cryin' shame if he has.

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 06:35 PM
I wonder why Edwin's ankle was healthy enough to play everyday at Louisville but not in Cincinnati?
They put him at 1st in Louisville ;)

But I agree with above, I think he's healthy and Narron just trusts Rich more

NC Reds
07-18-2006, 06:36 PM
I find Clayton at shortstop depressing, even with the winning streak. I still don't like the trade. :angry:

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 06:36 PM
Sorry CE I have a hard time seeing this team trading Rich.

dsmith421
07-18-2006, 06:39 PM
I really hope Milton has no plans to pitch to Wright this evening. That would be a real cryin' shame if he has.

Speaking of Wright, has anyone heard about this controversy: http://www.nypost.com/sports/ya_gotta_believe_sports_phil_mushnick.htm

What it boils down to is Wright, in uniform, did a spot for this farcical "faith healer" who is "performing" at MSG. The faith healer in question admitted to the following:

"Modern medical science was not able to heal me, so I used all sorts of folk remedies. I ate whatever was said to be good for my health. I even changed my name and invited a sorceress to perform an exorcism. But to make things worse, I got the rheumatic arthritis and I had to hide myself. In this terrible situation, I heard that the liquid of feces was good for recovering my health. Although its stench was unbearable, I drank it earnestly. But it was all in vain and my condition got so worse that others had to help me urinate and defecate."

David Wright would eat his own poop to hit. And that's gotta scare you as an opposing pitcher.

M2
07-18-2006, 06:41 PM
I'm not sure why there's all these far-flung theories getting tossed around as to why Aurilia's playing today, after all the Reds are starting a lefty today and Aurilia plays when there's a lefty on the mound.

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 06:42 PM
I'm not sure why there's all these far-flung theories getting tossed around as to why Aurilia's playing today, after all the Reds are starting a lefty today and Aurilia plays when there's a lefty on the mound.
And righties, and if a pitcher who could throw with both hands were up there, he'd be starting to.

He's the Reds starting 3rd baseman.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 06:44 PM
And righties, and if a pitcher who could throw with both hands were up there, he'd be starting to.

He's the Reds starting 3rd baseman.

Exactly.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 06:47 PM
A-Rod has 13 errors at 3rd and 16 after last night

Heath
07-18-2006, 06:47 PM
And righties, and if a pitcher who could throw with both hands were up there, he'd be starting to.

He's the Reds starting 3rd baseman.

Hopefully after August 1st he's the Padres or Rangers or Tigers 3b.

I still think EE's getting screwed - but his ankle must not be 100%.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 06:47 PM
Screw Narron. I want Bob Boone or Dave Miley.



It wouldn't matter. You'd still complain about every little thing this club does.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 06:48 PM
but I honestly believe EdE is healthy and that Narron feels that since the Reds are in a pennant race that Aurilia is the better option at third, plain and simple.
been sayin' that for 3 weeks. That is/was the only logical conclusion.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 06:50 PM
Man, that be a BAAAAAD lineup. Do I hear sheep?

reds44
07-18-2006, 06:52 PM
Edwin not playing has NOTHING to do with his ankle. If his ankle only allows him to play 2 or 3 times a week, he would still be on the DL.

Simple as that.

Heath
07-18-2006, 06:53 PM
Man, that be a BAAAAAD lineup. Do I hear sheep?

RedsZone Rule 17.02 section A, sub section 52 -

"No RedsZone thread shall have, at anytime, the mention of the word "sheep" with a picture of Jessica Alba combined.

You sir, are in violation. :D

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 06:54 PM
Man, that be a BAAAAAD lineup. Do I hear sheep?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Flock_of_sheep.jpg/250px-Flock_of_sheep.jpg

dsmith421
07-18-2006, 06:54 PM
Bottom line: Jerry Narron thinks the team is better off with Rich Aurilia playing than Edwin Encarnacion.

I'd even go so far as to say there's a better chance of Encarnacion being dealt before the deadline than Aurilia, so deep is Jerry's man-love.

reds44
07-18-2006, 06:57 PM
Bottom line: Jerry Narron thinks the team is better off with Rich Aurilia playing than Edwin Encarnacion.

I'd even go so far as to say there's a better chance of Encarnacion being dealt before the deadline than Aurilia, so deep is Jerry's man-love.
Narron doesn't control who is traded. Thankfully that is Wayne's job.

dsmith421
07-18-2006, 06:57 PM
Narron doesn't control who is traded. Thankfully that is Wayne's job.

Thankfully?

Also, I would be shocked if Narron is not at least given some say in the personnel decisions. It only stands to reason. If Narron tells Krivsky that Aurilia is essential to the stretch run, Krivsky will listen.

reds44
07-18-2006, 06:59 PM
Thankfully?
Yes.

Say hello to your GM of the year.

Edwin isn't going to get traded. i am more worried about him going to AAA then being trade.

Niether is going to happen though. It is onky a matter of time before he is your starting 3rd baseman again.

Gallen5862
07-18-2006, 07:00 PM
Who will be able to do the pbp tonight? It would be greatly appreciated.

M2
07-18-2006, 07:02 PM
On another subject, Dunn in front of Jr. makes me happy.

And Jason Larue's got his fourth start in five games coming out of the ASG.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:03 PM
On another subject, Dunn in front of Jr. makes me happy.

And Jason Larue's got his fourth start in five games coming out of the ASG.
Ross is on the DL and a left is pitching, of course LaRue is starting.

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:05 PM
16 homers in 86.2 innings... that's the stat that tells me Eric Milton's still the same guy from '05.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:05 PM
Gallen-- If you want me to do pitch by pitch in chat....let me know.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 07:06 PM
16 homers in 86.2 innings... that's the stat that tells me Eric Milton's still the same guy from '05.

Indeed. And he'll cough up a few more tonight rest assured. This lineup crushed him in NY.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:06 PM
On another subject, Dunn in front of Jr. makes me happy.

And Jason Larue's got his fourth start in five games coming out of the ASG.

Keep upping the stats, Jason! :)

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:06 PM
Ross is on the DL and a left is pitching, of course LaRue is starting.

Pelfrey is a RHP.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:06 PM
16 homers in 86.2 innings... that's the stat that tells me Eric Milton's still the same guy from '05.
Were you expecting a different one? I think that would be against the rules....

:mooner:

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Pelfrey is a RHP.
Woops. You are correct.


Makes Rich playing even more stupid. When is the next time a lefty pitches? Maybe then Edwin will be in the lineup.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Were you expecting a different one? I think that would be against the rules....

:mooner:

He's been better this year. Not great, not worth the chunk of change he's making, but better.

dsmith421
07-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Say hello to your GM of the year.

There are a lot of innings (and a lot of Milton/Mays starts) between now and the playoffs. Don't count your chickens, and quit being so damned condescending.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:08 PM
On another subject, Dunn in front of Jr. makes me happy.
it's just that Dunn should be 3rd and Jr 4th

M2
07-18-2006, 07:08 PM
16 homers in 86.2 innings... that's the stat that tells me Eric Milton's still the same guy from '05.

Next thing you'll tell me that if Milton could manage to throw 200 IP, he surrender something like 40 HR.

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:09 PM
Keep upping the stats, Jason! :)

That .197 batting average looks mighty familiar.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:09 PM
it's just that Dunn should be 3rd and Jr 4th

Would make sense, but it's not happening.

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 07:09 PM
There are a lot of innings (and a lot of Milton/Mays starts) between now and the playoffs. Don't count your chickens, and quit being so damned condescending.
Agreed

Gallen5862
07-18-2006, 07:09 PM
Edskin will it be easier doing the update in game thread?

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:09 PM
Pelfrey is a RHP.Yeah but Milton is lefthanded. :help:

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 07:10 PM
Yeah, Wayne's recent trade was a real gambit--if the Reds make the playoffs, then he'll be heralded as a genius; if they tank, Wayne's reputation (fairly or unfairly) takes a huge hit.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:11 PM
I'll start it off Gallen, but usually, 20 people all do it at once :)

M2
07-18-2006, 07:11 PM
it's just that Dunn should be 3rd and Jr 4th

I can live with 2nd and 3rd for them, better to have them a slot higher than a slot lower.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:11 PM
1st pitch.......

foul from Reyes

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Reyes fouls...



Oh, sorry :)

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:12 PM
Next thing you'll tell me that if Milton could manage to throw 200 IP, he surrender something like 40 HR.

Well, it's just that some of us, myself (to a point) included, seemed to think that Milton had turned some sort of corner when he had the ERA down in the low 4's last month. All I allowed was that we were possibly getting the Minnesota-era Milton back, which is something approximating a league-average pitcher.

I don't think that version of Eric is coming back, either. At least not tonight.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:12 PM
Nice range shown by Rich

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:13 PM
This games on TV! I'm not sure how to handle this :eek:

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:13 PM
Reyes fouls off a whole bunch....then pops foul to 3rd. 1 out

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:13 PM
Why are the lineups buried?

Should they not be on page one, usually the first post, no?

Can a mod move them there?

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Milton pitching against the Mets just has a bad feel to it.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Why are the lineups buried?

Should they not be on page one, usually the first post, no?

Can a mod move them there?

I made this thread at like 3:30 :D

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:14 PM
I didn't think Jose Reyes was supposed to be back in the lineup tonight. He hadn't started ever since he pulled that "hustle" headfirst slide at first base prior to the AS Break and ended up with seven stitches in his hand.

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 07:15 PM
I made this thread at like 3:30 :D
So it's your fault :devil:

Gallen5862
07-18-2006, 07:15 PM
Great job Edskin on the pbp.

Falls City Beer
07-18-2006, 07:15 PM
Milton pitching against the Mets just has a bad feel to it.

Think it has anything to do with the fact that they partied on his head in his start in NY?

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:16 PM
Lo Duca flies out to Dunn 2 outs

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:17 PM
I put the lineups on page 1....

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:17 PM
There is alot of good baseball tonight...

Southsiders v. Tigers

Kazmir v. Liriano

Reds and Mets

I like nights like these!

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:18 PM
Beltran gets ahead 2-0, but pops out to SS

on to the bottom of 1, 0-0

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:18 PM
Think it has anything to do with the fact that they partied on his head in his start in NY?Nah, its because he _______

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:18 PM
I put the lineups on page 1....

Thanky! :D

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:19 PM
Ok, let's get em early fellas!

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:20 PM
Denorfia chokes up, scrappy bonus points

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:21 PM
Is Freel dead?

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
BTW....

I'm calling for the RosieRed 10 run rule this evening.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
Pelfrey has some nice sink

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
Deno gets ahead 3-1, grounds out to 2nd

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
I didn't think Jose Reyes was supposed to be back in the lineup tonight. He hadn't started ever since he pulled that "hustle" headfirst slide at first base prior to the AS Break and ended up with seven stitches in his hand.

Willie said that Jose was driving everyone nuts in the dugout so the got him out there as soon as possible.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
Has Deno hit a ball out of the infield yet?

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
Dunn showing bunt.

Mkay.

Caveat Emperor
07-18-2006, 07:22 PM
Deno gets ahead 3-1, grounds out to 2nd

Denorfia seems to get to a 3-2 count in every AB -- just can't seem to take Ball 4.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:23 PM
Has Deno hit a ball out of the infield yet?

No...but only because HE'S chosen not to...

;)

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:23 PM
Dunn gets another hit.

This guy may not be so bad ;)

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
Keith Hernandez wisdom:
Dunn should be batting cleanup - just a big guy who can be pitched to.
Clayton should be batting second.
Reds only interested in hitting HRs, not playing smallball.

I have a headache already.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
Dunn singles to center

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
I like this new Dunn.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
Dunn is good.

MrCinatit
07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
Stupid shift.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
Keith Hernandez wisdom:
Dunn should be batting cleanup - just a big guy who can be pitched to.
Clayton should be batting second.
Reds only interested in hitting HRs, not playing smallball.

I have a headache already.
I am actually happy mlb.tv gave us George and Chris.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:25 PM
double play.........inning over

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:25 PM
Almost scalped Pelfrey. Welcome to the pros, kid, don't leave the fastball up and over the plate.

RFS62
07-18-2006, 07:25 PM
Keith Hernandez wisdom:
Dunn should be batting cleanup - just a big guy who can be pitched to.
Clayton should be batting second.
Reds only interested in hitting HRs, not playing smallball.

I have a headache already.


Re-jected!

corkedbat
07-18-2006, 07:25 PM
Hey Mets! We got your veteran pitcher! Milton for Pelfrey straight up! Let 'em switch unis between the 2nd and 3rd innings. :D

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:25 PM
Keith Hernandez wisdom:
Dunn should be batting cleanup - just a big guy who can be pitched to.
Clayton should be batting second.
Reds only interested in hitting HRs, not playing smallball.



I think Keith's "Just for Men" haircolor has infected his brain.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:25 PM
Junior ripped one, but the shift was perfect and Dunn got caught off 1st base

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Keith Hernandez wisdom:
Dunn should be batting cleanup - just a big guy who can be pitched to.
Clayton should be batting second.
Reds only interested in hitting HRs, not playing smallball.

I have a headache already.

As much crap as we give Grande and Welsch, the Reds could do a whole lot worse.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Has Griffey took a first pitch this year? I love the guy but his first pitch hacking everytime is starting to get old.

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 07:27 PM
Denorfia seems to get to a 3-2 count in every AB -- just can't seem to take Ball 4.
Being told to swing more maybe? :evil:

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:27 PM
I'm almost glad for that DP.

The Mets announcers were going on a tangent about how the Reds lead the NL in HRs but also allow the most HRs. Play in this bandbox, blah..blah...blah.

I think I'm going to mute the TV and pop in a Wayne Newton CD.

KronoRed
07-18-2006, 07:27 PM
BTW....

I'm calling for the RosieRed 10 run rule this evening.
We'll need 2 I think..it is Milton afterall

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:28 PM
Delgado K's swining 1 out

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:28 PM
Has Griffey took a first pitch this year?

It's been a while....at least it seems that way.

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Junior ripped one, but the shift was perfect and Dunn got caught off 1st baseit was a one hopper

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Marty just said the Wayne told him about the trade before he told the players.

That doesn't seem right.

DoogMinAmo
07-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Fay on Wayne:"I think he may have overpaid"

But Marty, Marty liked it right away.

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:30 PM
Austin Kearns just slammed a double off Dontrelle Willis. That's his second post-trade hit, I think. Of course, Felipe had a solo bomb in the Nats' loss last night but also made two errors.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:31 PM
Wright flies out to deep center...2 outs

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:31 PM
That ball had no business going that far.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:32 PM
Floyd grounds out to Hatte....on to the bottom of 2

0-0

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:32 PM
Meanwhile, a processed-wheat-flakes-consuming left-handed starter somewhere retires the top two-thirds of the best lineup in the National League right now in order.

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:33 PM
That ball had no business going that far.

It looked like he just flicked his wrists. It wasn't a bad pitch by Milton, but if it was another inch inside, it's probably gone.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:34 PM
Billy Hatcher is the man.

edabbs44
07-18-2006, 07:34 PM
Ponson getting hammered. He'll be FA fodder next week.

smith288
07-18-2006, 07:34 PM
Meanwhile, a processed-wheat-flakes-consuming left-handed starter somewhere retires Carlos Delgado, David Wright, and Cliff Floyd in order.
Somewhere in Philly, FCB cringes...

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:35 PM
Mets TV shows a graphic that Richie has gone 32 ABs w/out a K. He's tough to strikeout and loves hitting v. the Mets.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:35 PM
As much crap as Richie gets, he's hit in 11 straight games.

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:36 PM
Another belt high fastball from Pelfrey.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:36 PM
Rich singles to center

one on, no out

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:36 PM
Woah Welsch just made a good comment.

Caveat Emperor
07-18-2006, 07:36 PM
Answer to trivia question: Bane

Batman Rules. ;)

CrackerJack
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
It's the DP show...

smith288
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
DP lane all night

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Double Plays are rally killers

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Reds are ripping the ball. Unfortunately into double plays.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Hatte grounds into a DP

2 outs

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
As much crap as Richie gets, he's hit in 11 straight games.

He's not a bad player, but EE is better and should be the starting 3B.

edabbs44
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
As much crap as Richie gets, he's hit in 11 straight games.
Still not over .700 on the OPS charts vs RHPs. But I guess that doesn't matter when you hit 4th.

Patrick Bateman
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
4 stung balls= zero base runners????

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Phillips needs to get out of this slump

BoydsOfSummer
07-18-2006, 07:38 PM
As much crap as Richie gets, he's hit in 11 straight games.

So play him at SS. Hell,play Ed at SS for that matter.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:38 PM
He's not a bad player, but EE is better and should be the starting 3B.

I agree. EE should play, and I'm fine if Rich plays also.

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:38 PM
Hatteberg was Casey-esque in 2005 (finishing fourth in the AL with 22 GIDPs), but had hit into just four in '06. Prior to that latest one, that is.

Edskin
07-18-2006, 07:38 PM
Gallen--looks like I'm behind again on PBP (MLBTV), so I'll leave it in the hands of the "fast" guys :)

flyer85
07-18-2006, 07:38 PM
Double Plays are rally killersNah, strikeouts are the worst rally killers

CrackerJack
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
He's not a bad player, but EE is better and should be the starting 3B.


Agree, the Reds don't need a singles hitter in that spot.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
3B Encarnacion
SS Phillips
2B Freel/Aurilia platoon
1B Hatteberg

That would be my infield.

BoydsOfSummer
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Double Plays are rally killers
__________________


It's those danged walks and singles ahead of them that are the killers. Otherwise they wouldn't be double plays.

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Nah, strikeouts are the worst rally killers

I thought solo HRs are the worst rally killers? :p:

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
I agree. EE should play, and I'm fine if Rich plays also.
I wouldn't have issues with Rich starting over Clayton.

Not over Edwin though.

paintmered
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Double Plays are rally killers

But only slightly worse than the rally killer that is the three-run home run. :evil:

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:39 PM
The Nats leave Kearns stranded at second base, just so he knows what it feels like to all of them.

Joseph
07-18-2006, 07:40 PM
Nah, strikeouts are the worst rally killers

No, home runs are.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:40 PM
BP is 1-26???????

Why doesn't Rich start at 2nd to give him a day off?

StillFunkyB
07-18-2006, 07:40 PM
3B Encarnacion
SS Phillips
2B Freel/Aurilia platoon
1B Hatteberg

That would be my infield.

That makes too much sense. ;)

VR
07-18-2006, 07:41 PM
Woah Welsch just made a good comment.

which was?

MrCinatit
07-18-2006, 07:42 PM
The reds do have a solid lead in the "Silly Facial Hair" catagory this year.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:42 PM
Royce Clayton......again.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:42 PM
That double play is looking huge now.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:42 PM
which was?
He was talking about how Calyton isn't that much of a defensive upgrade then Felipe.

Strikes Out Looking
07-18-2006, 07:43 PM
The reds do have a solid lead in the "Silly Facial Hair" catagory this year.

Making up for all those years in the 70's and 80's when they weren't allowed to have any.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:43 PM
Redszone needs to start hating all of our players. Whoever we don't like does well.

Puffy
07-18-2006, 07:44 PM
Denorfia seems to get to a 3-2 count in every AB -- just can't seem to take Ball 4.

Reminds me of a joke - -

What do you do to an Elephant with 3 balls?





Walk him and pitch to the Rhino.

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:44 PM
Redszone needs to start hating all of our players. Whoever we don't like does well.

Larue stinks. Worst catcher in baseball...;)

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:44 PM
LoDuca saves a run with a great backhanded stop.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:44 PM
Incredible play by LoDuca. That should have been a wild pitch.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:45 PM
Redszone needs to start hating all of our players. Whoever we don't like does well.

Deno sucks :D

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:45 PM
No way they pitch to LaRue now.

Doc. Scott
07-18-2006, 07:46 PM
Milton's hitting for a higher average than LaRue. But, alas, a hit isn't in the cards.

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:46 PM
Doug Pelfry at 33 pitches already.






(I know his name is not Doug)

VR
07-18-2006, 07:46 PM
No way they pitch to LaRue now.

Milty's got a higher BA ;)

Time for a gapper from Milton.

reds44
07-18-2006, 07:46 PM
Mitlon is going to hit a granny.

watch

M2
07-18-2006, 07:46 PM
Redszone needs to start hating all of our players. Whoever we don't like does well.

Respect the mock!

smith288
07-18-2006, 07:47 PM
Milton's no slack here

Gainesville Red
07-18-2006, 07:47 PM
I like having Hatcher miked up at first.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:47 PM
Milton hit it hard but right at Floyd.

Four baserunners that inning and 0 runs.

smith288
07-18-2006, 07:48 PM
Milton hit it hard but right at Floyd.
Floyd almost was positioned to close

M2
07-18-2006, 07:49 PM
Now I like a stolen base more than just about anyone on the planet, but Clayton taking second guaranteed that LaRue wasn't going to see a strike, giving Pelfrey a chance to escape the inning by pitching to Milton.

OnBaseMachine
07-18-2006, 07:50 PM
The real Milton has arrived. :rolleyes:

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:50 PM
:milton:

:oops:

Matt700wlw
07-18-2006, 07:51 PM
The real Milton has arrived. :rolleyes:

Nah...it was only a solo shot :D

NJReds
07-18-2006, 07:51 PM
The just showed a stat that a lineup hits .355 v. Milton the third time they see him in a game. I thought that this was a strange stat, because I didn't think Milton made it that far into games to face a lineup 3 times.

GullyFoyle
07-18-2006, 07:51 PM
Redszone needs to start hating all of our players. Whoever we don't like does well.

Must only work for batters....

smith288
07-18-2006, 07:51 PM
Daaang it.

http://fugato.net/wp-content/napoleondynamite.jpg

Caveat Emperor
07-18-2006, 07:51 PM
The just showed a stat that a lineup hits .355 v. Milton the third time they see him in a game. I thought that this was a strange stat, because I didn't think Milton made it that far into games to face a lineup 3 times.

Right...small sample size. :D

RFS62
07-18-2006, 07:52 PM
Sometimes a pitcher gives up a tater on a good pitch that the hitter just wins the battle on.

This wasn't one of those times. That was teed up.