Mets Vs. Reds Game Thread 7/18

[Z-Fly]

Does anyone know what the line ups are going to be tonight?

On a side note. I went to the game Friday and say both Bray and Majewski warm up. During the seventh while Harang was struggling they had Bray and Coffee warming up. Then after Harang struck out the last two batters they sat the two down and had Majewski warm up. They is the first time I had watched either of the two pitch. I personaly thought that Bray looked very impressive. Majewski looked good too, but I thought Bray looked better. So far everyone has made Majewski to be the staple of the trade. Thoughts anyone?

[pedro]

Does anyone know what the line ups are going to be tonight?

On a side note. I went to the game Friday and say both Bray and Majewski warm up. During the seventh while Harang was struggling they had Bray and Coffee warming up. Then after Harang struck out the last two batters they sat the two down and had Majewski warm up. They is the first time I had watched either of the two pitch. I personaly thought that Bray looked very impressive. Majewski looked good too, but I thought Bray looked better. So far everyone has made Majewski to be the staple of the trade. Thoughts anyone?

Lineups normalling get posted on yahoo or espn around an hour prior to the trade.

I think Bray was the key to the whole deal in the Reds eyes.

[Puffy]

Lineups normalling get posted on yahoo or espn around an hour prior to the trade.



Another trade?? I hope they do better this time!

:mooner:

[keeganbrick]

Did it rain in Cincy today?

[CaiGuy]

Chris Denorfia RF

Adam Dunn LF

Ken Griffey Jr. CF

Aurilia 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Brandon Phillips 2B

Royce Clayton SS

Jason LaRue C

Eric Milton P

No Edwin again. Instead, another game with Aurillia batting cleanup.

Fantastic:rolleyes:

[cincy09]

not a lot of power 4-9

[keeganbrick]

Damnit, why isnt Edwin in the lineup??

[corkedbat]

How embarrassing is that for LaRue (or Milton, for that matter), batting behind Clayton?

[jimbo]

Another lineup Aurilia batting 4th bashing thread. That means he will go out and produce.

[CaiGuy]

Another lineup Aurilia batting 4th bashing thread. That means he will go out and produce.
It isn't as much him batting 4th as him in the lineup at all, at least when you consider who is on the pine as a result. Starting Aurillia over Encarnacian is plain dumb.

Not to mention Clayton...

[Petitt33]

Aurilia needs to be in the lineup but not fourth and playing third base. Put him at short, Edwin at third, Phillips at 2nd, and Hatteberg at first.

I don't understand why you take Edwin's hot bat out of the lineup, though. :confused:

[jimbo]

It isn't as much him batting 4th as him in the lineup at all, at least when you consider who is on the pine as a result. Starting Aurillia over Encarnacian is plain dumb.

Not to mention Clayton...

Defense, defense, defense.

[JEA]

It's been storming hard up here near Blue Ash with tons of lightening. Let's hope they get this one in tonight interruption-free!

[dougdirt]

Aurilia's defense isnt any better than is Edwins. Edwin makes plays Rich wishes he could. Edwin will throw some in the seats. At best its a wash, and Edwin is a MUCH better hitter than Rich. Makes no sense.

[jimbo]

Aurilia's defense isnt any better than is Edwins. Edwin makes plays Rich wishes he could. Edwin will throw some in the seats. At best its a wash, and Edwin is a MUCH better hitter than Rich. Makes no sense.

There's been defensive ratings that have been posted on here that say otherwise. EE made a fantastic play the other day, but he also threw a wide throw to Phillips that resulted in an error that was quite costly. It's great to make the highlights, but you have to make the routine plays also.

[keeganbrick]

Wasn't Marty the first one to call that Dunn should bat in the 2 hole? If Dunn keeps batting this well I think Narron should ship his lineup card to Marty every game.

[goreds2]

Let's keep the streak going! (Welcome back Marty B.)

PLAY EDWIN!!

[keeganbrick]

Milton throwing that fastball well so far.

[Ibleedblue]

This has GOT to be a joke! Why won't Narron just start EdE?! :bang:

[Ibleedblue]

Deno grounds out to the second basemen.

[keeganbrick]

Sweet basehit, oh I mean DP, thanks shift.

[GOREDSGO32]

Clayton hit AND a SB. Haters? Haters?

[Whitey25]

Need Uncle Milty to come up big here.

[RedEye]

Clayton hit AND a SB. Haters? Haters?

Not sure why he was running on that pitch other than to pad his stats. With first base open, the Mets were pretty eager to walk LaRue... so the SB was a needless risk that amounted to not much.

[RedEye]

HR by Nady. Well, I guess if Milty is going to give them up, they might as well be solo ones. Valentin follows that up with a pop out. 1-0 Mets.

[keeganbrick]

Not sure why he was running on that pitch other than to pad his stats. With first base open, the Mets were pretty eager to walk LaRue... so the SB was a needless risk that amounted to not much.
Exactly, if you had the volume on with George and Chris they have Hatcher microphoned up tonight. He told Clayton not to steal if that happened.

[GOREDSGO32]

LOL, now we're bashing the guy for taking a SB. Can it get any worse?

[keeganbrick]

LOL, now we're bashing the guy for taking a SB. Can it get any worse?
I'm not bashing him, it's just you dont steal a base in that situation with the pitcher on deck.

[jimbo]

LOL, now we're bashing the guy for taking a SB. Can it get any worse?

Without a doubt, yes.

[GOREDSGO32]

I'm not bashing him, it's just you dont steal a base in that situation with the pitcher on deck.

Who's to say they wouldn't have walked LaRue anyway?

[keeganbrick]

Who's to say they wouldn't have walked LaRue anyway?
Well, you just increased the chance a whole lot by doing that.

[keeganbrick]

3 DP in 3 innings, wow.

[GOREDSGO32]

Yeah and you increase the chance a whole lot of scoring more runs if Milton gets a hit there too.

[JEA]

Welsh: "This isn't really a stolen-base situation for Clayton, but you do want to get a big leadoff in case LaRue hits a double."

Hatcher to Clayton, very clearly: "Let's get LaRue a couple swings. At least a couple... if you get a couple strikes we'll steal the base."

(FWIW, he went on a 1-1 count. )

Welsh: "Well I don't know much about that then."

[RedEye]

Welsh: "This isn't really a stolen-base situation for Clayton, but you do want to get a big leadoff in case LaRue hits a double."

Hatcher to Clayton, very clearly: "Let's get LaRue a couple swings. At least a couple... if you get a couple strikes we'll steal the base."

(FWIW, he went on a 1-1 count. )

Welsh: "Well I don't know much about that then."

Guess I should watch with the volume on next time.

[keeganbrick]

Nice play Rich!

[GridironGrace]

Milton baby.

1 Bad pitch and a Walk away from perfect :)

Lookin good need him to stay that way til our bats can heat up

[keeganbrick]

Why in the HELL would you throw a fastball right down the middle on a 3-1 count with the pitcher on deck.

[GOREDSGO32]

When is Milton's option up again? Are Reds fans going to have to hire the mob to keep Milton from taking the option next year?

[RedEye]

Valentin HR. 2-0. At least he's minimizing the damage?

[keeganbrick]

Good opportunity....wasted.

[GOREDSGO32]

Damn .. Clayton got thrown out .. the lead cut to 1 though.

[keeganbrick]

Clayton sportin some offense tonight :)

Bout time to get Coffey in there before this inning is over.

[keeganbrick]

Why isnt Narron going to the bullpen in this situation?

[RedEye]

If I hear Grande call Clayton "solid" one more time, I'm going to toss my cookies.

[GOREDSGO32]

Turn on the radio, lol

[RedEye]

Nice play by LaRue. Reyes is like the fastest guy in MLB.

[RedEye]

Any special reason the game thread is on ORG tonight? it's kinda boring over here (no offense to the few, proud Reds Livers who are with me). Come to think of it, why is the game thread EVER on ORG?

[GOREDSGO32]

Grand slam. I hate Milton. Worst signing in Reds history? Yes.

[keeganbrick]

THANK YOU JERRY NARRON.

Lets not take Milton out of the game.

[Petitt33]

And that should do it

[RedEye]

Yikes. Didn't the Mets have 2 GS last game? Why the heck didn't we bring in someone to face Beltran?

[JohhnyBench1001]

Why in the crap didn't Narron pull Milton right there??? We go out and trade for a bullpen, but let them ride the pine while Milton gives up a friggin GS.........game over.

[RedEye]

On the bright side, the Cardinals are losing 8-0 to the Braves in the 4th. On the dark side, the Braves are the Braves... and they're gaining on us every day in the WC.

[rcb126]

Why in the crap didn't Narron pull Milton right there??? We go out and trade for a bullpen, but let them ride the pine while Milton gives up a friggin GS.........game over.

The $64,000 question:)

[Dunner44]

At least we don't have Todd Walker playing 2B... we won't suffer the indignity of 2 GSs. I saw Do Luca get walked, and I figgured he was batting 8 and was okay with it. Then I saw he was batting 2 with Beltran behind him and wondered why the hell Jerry didn't swap him out.... I'm still wondering that. At least Standridge can pitch tongiht without much fear of tack on runs. Give Bray/Majik/Coffey/Merc/Dave/Eddie the night off, just let Jason go the last 2 innings.

[keeganbrick]

What was Narron thinking, it looked like he was waiting to get Milton through that inning so he could pinch hit for him. I have no idea why he would do that but I think they actually sat Coffey back down when Clayton got out in btm 6th.

[torn rotator]

It would seem like if we traded Lopez and Kearns we should have been able to at least get a reliever we could trust in that situation...

[keeganbrick]

It would seem like if we traded Lopez and Kearns we should have been able to at least get a reliever we could trust in that situation...
We do (IMO), Narron wouldnt bring anyone of them in though.

[BoomerSoonerRed]

On the bright side, the Cardinals are losing 8-0 to the Braves in the 4th. On the dark side, the Braves are the Braves... and they're gaining on us every day in the WC.
I'm with you there.
You just can't kill off the Braves. You think you can, but you can't. But given a choice as to whether I want to see the Braves or Cardinals win today, I'll take Atlanta hands down. Any day the Cardinals lose is a good day for me.

[Tom Servo]

I said in my head when Beltran came to the plate "Chances of a Grand Slam - 100%." Then I thought I was being a little negative, and pushed it down to 99%. Turns out I was right the first time.


Now, if I could see it coming, why couldn't Jerry?

[buckshotrod]

I want to start saying I told my wife the bullpen pen should have been heating to begin the 7th as Milton's past history is not good. EAch bater that got on I said pull him. We just got within 1 so don't screw it up. BUT I can tell you why Narron rolled the dice..Beltran was batting .218 vs lefties and that is no doubt what he was banking on. BUT also has he not seen enough of Uncle Milty in the past?? I darn near thry my cup thru the big screen!

[cinredsfan2000]

Is milton still on the books after this season ? Do we have to suffer another season of this ?:bang:

[Dunner44]

This is the first game in a while Milty's been tagged for 3 homers. He had it down to one a game or so for a while. But putting him in there vs. Beltran, no matter what his numbers, was tempting fate far too much.

Oh, and yes, one more season of everyone's least favorite uncle.

[keeganbrick]

I just dont understand (this isnt the first time either) how I can sit here, just a fan, and could manage a game better than Narron. Why would you sit Coffey down once he already started warming up, with the top of the lineup coming up? Its just gets soo frustrating sometimes dealing with this. Narron has to be one of the worst managers at trying to figure out when to pull a starter and who to bring in the game to replace them.

[Dunner44]

I *usually* like Narron's lineups, even if they are vet heavy. He just needs a good bench coach who can help him with ptiching changes.

[cinredsfan2000]

I just dont understand (this isnt the first time either) how I can sit here, just a fan, and could manage a game better than Narron. Why would you sit Coffey down once he already started warming up, with the top of the lineup coming up? Its just gets soo frustrating sometimes dealing with this. Narron has to be one of the worst managers at trying to figure out when to pull a starter and who to bring in the game to replace them.

I agee it does seem obvious to us or any baseball fan with common sense . But i guess while it seems obvious to us jerry seems rather oblivious to the fact that milton didnt have his best stuff tonight seemed like he couldnt keep the ball down to save his life tonight.Is it me or has narron managing skills taken a turn for the worst since he got his contract extension.

[Dunner44]

dang, Scott just missed a homer with RA on base.

[keeganbrick]

Yea, I thought it was gone when it came off the bat.

[ITHIKABAND]

Just jumping in here, but I am livid with Narrons decision to keep Milton in the ballgame going into the 7th. Especialy after he had the opportunity to pull him with basesloaded. Im really pesimistic about Naron leading the reds to the promiseland. We're playing a great team we have to play smart! Narons a MORON. The whole 7th Im like why is he still in there? What are your thoughts? As I've just jumped in and havent read all threads?

[keeganbrick]

This is another thing Narron would never do. You pinch hit Valentin for LaRue in this situation. You dont wait for Valentin to PH for the pitcher. Narron is too much of a girl to pull his starter though.

[ITHIKABAND]

At least we see Bill Bray tonight. Lets see how this Kid looks?

[redsfan4445]

Cardinals losing BIGTIME again and the Reds are again not taking advantage of it..:thumbdown

[ITHIKABAND]

Bray's got a throwback windup

[ITHIKABAND]

Bray looks damn good!

[ITHIKABAND]

I just say ya walk Beltran the guy is one of the best in baseball

[RedEye]

It burns me up that this could be a 3-3 game right now. What a stupid decision by Narron. You can only keep a guy like Beltran guessing for so long... especially if you're Eric Milton.

[RedEye]

I'm excited that we just acquired two new relievers to give up runs by the dozen.

[fisch11]

I was at the game in which Dunn hit the walkoff grand slam.....so I'm still down for the 9th inning rally.

[goreds2]

I want to start saying I told my wife the bullpen pen should have been heating to begin the 7th as Milton's past history is not good. EAch bater that got on I said pull him. We just got within 1 so don't screw it up. BUT I can tell you why Narron rolled the dice..Beltran was batting .218 vs lefties and that is no doubt what he was banking on. BUT also has he not seen enough of Uncle Milty in the past?? I darn near thry my cup thru the big screen!

Very good point. This time of year, the manager/coaches should know what the "routine" is of certain pitchers.

[keeganbrick]

Just got through to Furball and talked about Narron not having Coffey and Merker warming up to begin the 7th or for that matter even during the whole inning. Just baffles me.

[bha]

I was at the game tonight and I am still steaming mad. I will never pay good money when I know Eric Milton is starting a game. With the humidity, I knew going in he was going to give up a bomb or two. The first three runs were no big deal...he was not throwing badly even though he was topping out at about 91 on the gun and for him to be successful, he needs to be able to hit 93-94 on occasion.

But, Narron fell asleep at the wheel tonight. This Loss can be squarely hung on his narrow little head. He blew it completely. Milton was done! No excuses!!!

Other observances:

EE sitting on the bench is just ridiculous! This kid needs to play. We are not a contender to win it all. Let the kid learn on the job.

Jose Reyes is the fastest man in baseball. Scoring from first base on the Lo Duca double was very impressive.

Pelphrey succeeded tonight on a consistent 95 mph fastball and little else. He's a big guy and appears to get on top of hitters quickly.

BP is pulling off the ball badly. He just needs to make some adjustments.

As much as I will personally miss Felipe Lopez, Royce Clayton is not terrible. He's got good hands and good instincts at short and he handles the bat decently.

Narron owes the fans an apology for tonight's turdburger.

[goreds2]

Just got through to Furball and talked about Narron not having Coffey and Merker warming up to begin the 7th or for that matter even during the whole inning. Just baffles me.

I heard that call. Nice job / Good points.

We need a win tonight.