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Heath
07-19-2006, 04:22 PM
Per Marc's blog -

Freel back in there

As expected, Ryan Freel is starting in right field and leading off tonight, with Denorfia getting a day off. And, for those who seem increasingly obsessed with the third base situation, Rich Aurilia is starting there again. Keep in mind that he's riding an 11-game hitting streak.

For the record, a sweat-soaked Edwin Encarnacion just wrapped up a session of early work with Bucky Dent at third base.

We know Freel's leading off and Aurilia's hitting 4th. I'm heading down tonight with my two boys...anyone else?

If not, have a good game thread everybody.

acredsfan
07-19-2006, 04:26 PM
Sure seems like they are showcasing Aurilia as a third baseman. Wonder if they are working on a trade.... Maybe its just wishful thinking.

Chip R
07-19-2006, 04:27 PM
Let's not start game threads until lineups are in, mmkay?

reds44
07-19-2006, 07:01 PM
NY Mets
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
J. Reyes ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297
P. Lo Duca c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .299
C. Beltran cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279
C. Delgado 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .248
D. Wright 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .317
C. Floyd lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
J. Valentin 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
X. Nady rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264
S. Trachsel p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .138
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .248
R. Aurilia 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283
S. Hatteberg 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .310
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290
R. Clayton ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
J. LaRue c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .194
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .163
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 07:05 PM
Hey, if the playing time for Aurilia results in the hitting streak Richus has put together *and* a Randa-like trade for some decent young pitching, I don't mind if Encarnacion has to sit for a bit now.

If Aurilia was hitting like crap... that's when I would be mad.

Kc61
07-19-2006, 07:05 PM
Griffey's BA is lower than Dunn's.

cumberlandreds
07-19-2006, 07:08 PM
Sure seems like they are showcasing Aurilia as a third baseman. Wonder if they are working on a trade.... Maybe its just wishful thinking.

I hope this is turning into a showcase for LaRue too. But he's got to get that .194 average up.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 07:08 PM
Hey, if the playing time for Aurilia results in the hitting streak Richus has put together *and* a Randa-like trade for some decent young pitching, I don't mind if Encarnacion has to sit for a bit now.

If Aurilia was hitting like crap... that's when I would be mad.
i agree with that assesment.

Tommyjohn25
07-19-2006, 07:09 PM
Hopefully Phillips can get it going again tonight.

membengal
07-19-2006, 07:10 PM
IF Aurilia is dealt, okay. But IF he stays put? This dealie where EE now plays only against lefties blows.

registerthis
07-19-2006, 07:18 PM
I'm to the point where I think they almost *have* to be showcasing Aurilia. There just can be no other explanation. EE's defense isn't *that* bad, particularly when you consider who is replacing him there.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 07:24 PM
I'm to the point where I think they almost *have* to be showcasing Aurilia. There just can be no other explanation. EE's defense isn't *that* bad, particularly when you consider who is replacing him there.

The man IS on an 11 game hitting streak -- a little perspective here? It's not like they're benching EE for Anderson Machado or something.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 07:26 PM
EE's defense isn't *that* bad, particularly when you consider who is replacing him there.
you can think of it this way too...

3B who has exactly average range gets 350 Total Chances
Aurilia we'll say has that exact average range (even though i think he doesn't), and with a 951 FP, that's roughly 332 outs.

Encarnacion we'll say has better range than average by we'll say 15%. so instead of 350 Total Chances, the number becomes 402 because of EdE's range. at his current .897 FP, that's roughly 361 outs.

an over simplification, but useful none-the-less.

smith288
07-19-2006, 07:26 PM
I'm to the point where I think they almost *have* to be showcasing Aurilia. There just can be no other explanation. EE's defense isn't *that* bad, particularly when you consider who is replacing him there.
Ok...but there really wasnt any good explaination to keep in Milton either but here we are...

Kc61
07-19-2006, 07:27 PM
If Phillips keeps slumping, rest him a few games, play RA at second, EE at third.

registerthis
07-19-2006, 07:28 PM
The man IS on an 11 game hitting streak -- a little perspective here? It's not like they're benching EE for Anderson Machado or something.

Of course, but no one believes that Aurilia is the long term answer at third base for this club. If it was only a matter of keeping his bat in the lineup, he could just as easily slide over to short or--even better--first base and keep things clicking there.

The fact that the Reds not only keep playing him--but keep playing him at a position such as third--tells me that they're not simply trying to keep his hot bat in the lineup, they're trying to woo potential suitors for Mr. Aurilia's services.

registerthis
07-19-2006, 07:29 PM
Ok...but there really wasnt any good explaination to keep in Milton either but here we are...

Apples and oranges. Keeping Milton in the lineup was an obvious spur-of-the-moment blunder that even Narron admits was a screw up. Aurilia's performing well, and could be potential trade bait. That's two very strong reasons for keeping him in the lineup on a daily basis.

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 07:35 PM
Derrick Turnbow just served up a two-run, ninth-inning single to Ray Durham. Giants beat Brewers, 7-6, and All-Star Turnbow's ERA is now 5.54.

Reds Nd2
07-19-2006, 07:35 PM
The man IS on an 11 game hitting streak -- a little perspective here? It's not like they're benching EE for Anderson Machado or something.

Aurilia is hitting .253/.304/.390 against RH pitching this season. Just sayin'...

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Aurilia is hitting .253/.304/.390 against RH pitching this season. Just sayin'...
most of the last 11 games have been against RH pitching. just sayin'...

membengal
07-19-2006, 07:40 PM
So...then...that .694 OPS against righties represents a high-water mark of sorts? Cause, well, that's not good...

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 07:40 PM
Derrick Turnbow just served up a two-run, ninth-inning single to Ray Durham. Giants beat Brewers, 7-6, and All-Star Turnbow's ERA is now 5.54.
Graves JR

reds44
07-19-2006, 07:42 PM
Krivsky was on the FSN Pregame show. I like the guy as a GM, but he always seems to have a stick up his butt.

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Krivsky was on the FSN Pregame show. I like the guy as a GM, but he always seems to have a stick up his butt.

It's better than Bowden oilslick or O'Brien tedium, though. He at least answers questions, even if he is a little too straightforward sometimes.

I wouldn't want a GM who gives away his entire game plan to the media, anyway. That's one area of sports where it's okay to be a little vague.

Chip R
07-19-2006, 07:48 PM
Krivsky was on the FSN Pregame show. I like the guy as a GM, but he always seems to have a stick up his butt.

I just got a glimpse of him before they went to commercial and he looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 07:53 PM
I just got a glimpse of him before they went to commercial and he looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there.

Maybe he's had a long day working the phones :)

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 08:03 PM
I just got a glimpse of him before they went to commercial and he looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there.
I think he felt alittle awkward because his portion of the interview was over, but the camera was still on him. Looked like he didn't know whether to get up or not and he kept looking at the monitors off to the side.

Marc D
07-19-2006, 08:04 PM
I just got a glimpse of him before they went to commercial and he looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there.

Kriv comes down off the mother of all benders...."I traded who?"
http://www.moviestar.nu/nicknolte01.jpg

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:06 PM
I just got a glimpse of him before they went to commercial and he looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there.

I hate being asked to do things I don't like to do; it usually shows on my face too.

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 08:07 PM
Steve Trachsel has been doing it with smoke and mirrors this season. 111 hits and 46 walks in 102.1 innings, with just 47 strikeouts? Yeesh.

Of course, the Reds were just handled nicely by another high-WHIP wonder- Josh Fogg. When Hal McCoy was whining a week or so ago about how the Reds missed their golden opportunity to sign Fogg (now having a career year with an ERA in the low fours), I laughed my @$$ off.

doug flynn
07-19-2006, 08:08 PM
Marc D, now that was funny!

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:09 PM
EE's defense isn't *that* bad, particularly when you consider who is replacing him there.

Compare EE's defensive numbers with RA's. There is quite a difference.

Not saying I like it.... but that is the reason RA is playing more at 3B. That, and the offensive disparity between the two is not that great. ;)

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:11 PM
Reyes tries to bunt on the first pitch but pops it up to Harang, 1 out

Reds Nd2
07-19-2006, 08:11 PM
most of the last 11 games have been against RH pitching. just sayin'...

He's hitting .381/.435/.548 in those games. He's hot right now.

Juan Castro is hitting .333/.333/.583 in his last eight games. He's hot too.

Doesn't mean either should be starting.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:11 PM
Compare EE's defensive numbers with RA's. There is quite a difference. yeah, EdE will convert about 70 more outs than Aurilia even with a 54 point difference in their FP.

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:12 PM
So...then...that .694 OPS against righties represents a high-water mark of sorts? Cause, well, that's not good...

They kept Lopez in there vs lefties, and his .554 OPS against them. ;)

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:12 PM
Doesn't mean either should be starting.
unless Aurilia really is being showcased.:)

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:13 PM
yeah, EdE will convert about 70 more outs than Aurilia even with a 54 point difference in their FP.

Says who? A projection?

Oh yeah.... chat is open. ;)

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:13 PM
Lo Duca lines a 3-2 pitch into left for a single

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:14 PM
Beltran hits a ground rule double to center

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:15 PM
Beltran is beginning to frustrate me...

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:16 PM
Beltran is beginning to frustrate me...

Someone on here once said that Beltran was overrated.

WTF? :confused: Dude's all universe.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:17 PM
Someone on here once said that Beltran was overrated.

WTF? :confused:

Beltran is everything and more than advertised.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:17 PM
Looks like Aaron's going to need the help of the offense tonight.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:18 PM
Harang makes Delgado look kinda silly in that atbat.. K swinging. 2 out

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:18 PM
Says who? A projection?
nope. logic.

over the last two years, GG qualifying 3B average 350 Total Chances. so logically, an exactly average ranged 3B will get around 350 TC.

for the sake of argument, we'll say Aurilia is exactly average in that regard. he has a 951 FP. that's 332 outs convereted.

for the sake of argument, we'll say Encarnacion is abover average range and can get to 15% more balls than Aurilia. that's 402 TC, with an 897 FP that's 361 outs converted.


i suddenly feel like Raisor

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 08:19 PM
Man, Delgado. Talk about the deep freeze.

reds44
07-19-2006, 08:19 PM
David Wirght is good.

He also struggled mightly with errors his 1st couple years.

You know his story.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:20 PM
Wright lines a single to left, 2 runs score. 2-0 Mets

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:20 PM
nope. logic.

over the last two years, GG qualifying 3B average 350 Total Chances. so logically, an exactly average ranged 3B will get around 350 TC.

for the sake of argument, we'll say Aurilia is exactly average in that regard. he has a 951 FP. that's 332 outs convereted.

for the sake of argument, we'll say Encarnacion is abover average range and can get to 15% more balls than Aurilia. that's 402 TC, with an 897 FP that's 361 outs converted.

You're using guess work on both of these players.

I using the production/results already seen this year. ;)

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:21 PM
That David Wright guy can play some ball...

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:21 PM
Floyd pops to Phillips at the mound, 2-0 Mets middle of 1

22 pitches for Harang

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 08:22 PM
Looks like Wright chowed down on some Milton before the game today.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 08:22 PM
Wright lines a single to left, 2 runs score. 2-0 Mets

This lineup is really sick. Reminds me of that Cardinals lineup from a couple years back where they had the Vina-Walker-Pujols-Rolen-Edmunds thing going on.

reds44
07-19-2006, 08:22 PM
Why do you give in on 3-1 with 1st base open?

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:22 PM
I predict a short night for Aaron. Big temperatures, big boy. Bad combination.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:22 PM
You're using guess work on both of these players.

I using the production/results already seen this year. ;)
so what you're saying is, rather than an error, you're ok with it being a hit, while at the same time, ignoring that getting to more balls is going to create more outs.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:25 PM
The boys need to work the count tonight...The Human Rain Delay is prone to control problems.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:25 PM
Freel falls behind but lines a single to right

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 08:26 PM
I predict a short night for Aaron. Big temperatures, big boy. Bad combination.

After he threw 135 pitches before the break, I think everyone was expecting him to get pounded in his next start. But that was the Rockies playing on the road, and he either pitched well or they just hit poorly.

Could this be the start where the other shoe drops? Is that a myth? I guess we'll find out if Harang is due for a whooping or if he's just doing his Elizardo impression.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:26 PM
The boys need to work the count tonight...The Human Rain Delay is prone to control problems.

Except against the Reds.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:26 PM
Freel singles

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:26 PM
Ryan Freel begins the game with a spark.

BoydsOfSummer
07-19-2006, 08:26 PM
That David Wright is gonna be somebody when he grows up.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:27 PM
Freel picked off, 1 out

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:27 PM
Freel picked off.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:27 PM
Freel with another brain fart.

:rant:

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:28 PM
Dunn pops to shallow center, 2 out

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:28 PM
Get buckled in. We're in for a long night.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:29 PM
Get buckled in. We're in for a long night.

Yea.. I bet the game won't be over for at least another 2 hours

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:29 PM
Griffey grounds to short (on the other side of second), 2-0 Mets after 1

12 pitches for Trachsel

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:29 PM
5 pitches to Freel
4 pitches to Dunn
3 pitches to Griffey

12 pitches total for Trachsel :angry:

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 08:30 PM
Whoa. Griff takes the first pitch. And the second, too.

Then swings at a 2-0 and grounds out to short.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 08:30 PM
Get buckled in. We're in for a long night.

Nah...Reds lack the firepower to beat good teams with their offense as currently constituted (and given slumping BP and Jr.). It's a long drive towards the inevitable

I'm zen about it, though.

reds44
07-19-2006, 08:30 PM
Awesome 2-0 swing Junior.

OnBaseMachine
07-19-2006, 08:32 PM
I like Freel but he's one of the dumbest player in baseball. What is that, like five pickoffs this year? Jeez. This offense is going to struggle enough as it is, so you can't afford to give away outs.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:34 PM
Valentin walks

Doc. Scott
07-19-2006, 08:34 PM
CBS Sportsline has Harang's fastball hovering around 88-89 (touching 91) and his breaking stuff around 84. That's not good, if it's true.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:34 PM
Valentin walks

I know the Mets offense is good, but this is clearly not Aaron's night.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:34 PM
Nady hit by the first pitch

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:34 PM
so what you're saying is, rather than an error, you're ok with it being a hit, while at the same time, ignoring that getting to more balls is going to create more outs.

Didn't say that at all. :lol:

Only that you are arriving at your conclusion by first saying "Lets assume". ;)

I'm simply basing my evaluation on what these players have already produced on paper defensively. That we know.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:35 PM
This night isn't starting well for Aaron...

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:35 PM
CBS Sportsline has Harang's fastball hovering around 88-89 (touching 91) and his breaking stuff around 84. That's not good, if it's true.

I'm wagering he's dinged up in some way.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:36 PM
Trachsel successful sac bunt, 1 out

OnBaseMachine
07-19-2006, 08:37 PM
I predicted a Mets sweep last night, and unfortunately that prediction is looking spot on at the moment.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:38 PM
I predicted a Mets sweep last night, and unfortunately that prediction is looking spot on at the moment.

It's a done deal if they lose tonight, which is looking very, very likely at the moment.

Oh well.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:38 PM
Reyes bloops a single in front of Griffey, 2 runs score. 4-0 Mets

Mutaman
07-19-2006, 08:38 PM
Will we ever get a lead in this series? Boy i hate losing to the Mets.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
They are wearing Aaron out.

Time to get Mays up.

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
Oh darn. We are facing a real ballclub now, aren't we?

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
It's a done deal if they lose tonight, which is looking very, very likely at the moment.

Oh well.

It won't help.....Glavine goes tomorrow.


This team is the best in the league for a reason.

reds44
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
This game is over.

The Mets are nowhere near done scoring, and this lineup won't put up 4 runs anyways.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
It's a done deal if they lose tonight, which is looking very, very likely at the moment.

Oh well.

Yea.. cuz Bronson never gives us a chance to win:rolleyes:

OnBaseMachine
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
How long before the Braves take over the wildcard lead? I say a week.

flyer85
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
against the new and improved Reds, 4 runs might be enough.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 08:39 PM
Will we ever get a lead in this series? Boy i hate losing to the Mets.

Best team in the NL -- it was only a matter of time until someone in New York figured out "Hey, we have the money to put a good team on the field at Shea too..."

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:40 PM
Reyes steals second

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:40 PM
and this lineup won't put up 4 runs anyways.

Not against Trachsel they won't.

Gallen5862
07-19-2006, 08:40 PM
Thanks for the pbp Tornon.

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 08:41 PM
They are wearing Aaron out.
Time to get Mays up.

Jerry is still uncertain where the bullpen is located.
He's presently standing in line at one of the concession stands in the upper level.

OnBaseMachine
07-19-2006, 08:41 PM
I've already turned this one off. I'm now watching a good game - Tigers vs White Sox on ESPN.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:41 PM
Lo Duca takes a walk

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:42 PM
If Aaron's not injured, I'll eat my hat. He's pitching just like a hurt pitcher--low velocity and poor control.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:42 PM
I've already turned this one off. I'm now watching a good game - Tigers vs White Sox on ESPN.

That's going to be a hell of a chase to watch, right there.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
If Aaron's not injured, I'll eat my hat. He's pitching just like a hurt pitcher--low velocity and poor control.

Yeah -- you can pretty much write the season off if he has to go on the shelf.

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
Jerry is still uncertain where the bullpen is located.
He's presently standing in line at one of the concession stands in the upper level.
Does he even know a trade was made? I heard that he called the bullpen and told them to "Get Burnsy up" after Beltran's bomb last night.

reds44
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
If Aaron's not injured, I'll eat my hat. He's pitching just like a hurt pitcher--low velocity and poor control.
Or maybe he has dead arm.

He has thrown so many pitches already this year.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
If Aaron's not injured, I'll eat my hat. He's pitching just like a hurt pitcher--low velocity and poor control.

He's not allowed to have a bad night? It happens to ALL pitchers.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
Beltran flies to Freel, 2 out. Reyes to third

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:43 PM
Or maybe he has dead arm.

He has thrown so many pitches already this year.

It's going to take more than 1 bad outing to make me worry.

RFS62
07-19-2006, 08:44 PM
If Aaron's not injured, I'll eat my hat. He's pitching just like a hurt pitcher--low velocity and poor control.



I don't know if he's hurt, but he definitely doesn't have his good stuff tonight so far.

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 08:44 PM
Or maybe he has dead arm.
He has thrown so many pitches already this year.

Dusty Narron?
Jerry Baker?

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:44 PM
He's not allowed to have a bad night? It happens to ALL pitchers.

THis is no ordinary "bad night." A bad night for Aaron virtually NEVER involves BB after BB.

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 08:45 PM
Or maybe he has dead arm.

He has thrown so many pitches already this year.
That's what killed me earlier this year. Jerry was so shell shocked by the BP that he would leave Harang and BA in the game till the 8th on mult occasions no mater what the score was. I'm still in shock after leaving BA in there for 100 pitches in Milwaukee during a slaughter.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:46 PM
THis is no ordinary "bad night." A bad night for Aaron virtually NEVER involves BB after BB.

That's true, good point...I'm going to need more than 1 start to start getting concerned...

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:46 PM
Delgado Ks swinging, 4-0 Mets middle of 2

51 pitches for Harang

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:47 PM
7 pitches to Valentin (Marty called 4 of them)
1 pitch to Nady
2 pitches to Trachsel (Marty called 1 of them)
5 pitches to Reyes (Marty called 2 of them)
6 pitches to Lo Duca (Marty called 2 of them)
3 pitches to Beltran (Marty called 2 of them)
5 pitches to Delgado (Marty called 2 of them)

51 pitches by Harang

i hate listening to the 2nd inning :banghead:

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Delgado looks like

http://www.mariquita.com/images/manure.gif

Gallen5862
07-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Has Harang been hit hard?

StillFunkyB
07-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Whoa...anyone catch that they left the mic on?

Welsch: "He blew that 68 mile an hour heater by him that time"

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 08:48 PM
Folks, it's one bad outing (one). Calm yourselves.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Aurilia Ks looking, 1 out

StillFunkyB
07-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Hmmm, steady diet of slow curves....

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Folks, it's one bad outing (one). Calm yourselves.

You just have to know what to look for.

CrackerJack
07-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Yes Richie, that was a strike.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 08:51 PM
Yes Richie, that was a strike.

Right down Broadway (there's my New York reference).

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:51 PM
Once again, this team gets eaten alive by a guy throwing strikes. If it weren't for control problems this offense would be on the breadline.

(Contact hitter, Wayne)

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:51 PM
Hatteberg lines a single to left

Gallen5862
07-19-2006, 08:52 PM
WTG Hat.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:52 PM
Once again, this team gets eaten alive by a guy throwing strikes. If it weren't for control problems this offense would be on the breadline.

(Contact hitter, Wayne)

It's been one inning.. at least wait another 2

Tornon
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
Rain Delay.. tarp on the field

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
game dealy.

reds44
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
RAIN!!!!

yes!

RAIN OUT!

RFS62
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
Woo Hoo

Go rainout

flyer85
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
look at 4-8

RA-SH-BP-RC-JL

That wouldn't scare a AAA pitcher.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
Woo Hooo!

Rain Out! Rain Out! Rain Out! ;)

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 08:53 PM
Food for thought...RA's 11 game hitting streak has raised his SLG from .487 to .498. Also has knocked in 5 runs in those 11 games. Scored 9 runs. Sounds like a leadoff guy, not a cleanup hitter.

FSNY is mocking the Reds fans and groundcrew for this delay.

harangatang
07-19-2006, 08:54 PM
Don't freak out it's only a little shower, this is unbelievable with them calling a rain delay.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 08:54 PM
Don't think this is going to last too long...radar looks fine.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:54 PM
Hatteberg lines a single to left

And the guy who gets a hit first?

The one and only contact guy in the lineup.

flyer85
07-19-2006, 08:56 PM
And the guy who gets a hit first?
that would be Freel

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 08:57 PM
I had the "Banana Phone" song as the ringer on my cell phone for about a day.

I thought it was funny as hell, but people around me unanimously disagreed.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:57 PM
that would be Freel

Yeah, but he got thrown out, so it doesn't count. :p:

harangatang
07-19-2006, 08:57 PM
Here's radar, that sucker popped up out of nowhere

VR
07-19-2006, 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
If Aaron's not injured, I'll eat my hat. He's pitching just like a hurt pitcher--low velocity and poor control.




I don't know if he's hurt, but he definitely doesn't have his good stuff tonight so far.

Harang, or FCB? ;)

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:58 PM
Wow, do I hope this game gets rained out.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 08:58 PM
And the guy who gets a hit first?

The one and only contact guy in the lineup.
Aurilia's pace is for 43 K's.

Phillips' pace is for 68 K's.

Freel's pace is for 83 K's.

seems like 4 contact guys in the lineup:confused:

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:58 PM
What's a contact guy?

GAC
07-19-2006, 08:59 PM
Aurilia's pace is for 43 K's.

Phillips' pace is for 68 K's.

Freel's pace is for 83 K's.

seems like 4 contact guys in the lineup:confused:

we agree there. ;)

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 08:59 PM
What's a contact guy?

A Larkin, a Tejada, a Jeter.

A guy who racks up tons of hits. A line drive hitter that isn't afraid to walk, either.

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 09:00 PM
What's a contact guy?

Guys who don't wear glasses.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 09:00 PM
Reds44 is apparently the first caller to the Banana Phone ;)

flyer85
07-19-2006, 09:01 PM
The Reds lineup tonight has 5 hackers, Jr, Aurilia, Phillips, Clayton, and Larue.

Those early season games of using patience to wear down the opposing pitcher are long gone. Maybe Wayne has transformed this team into the Twins East.

Mutaman
07-19-2006, 09:01 PM
Best team in the NL -- it was only a matter of time until someone in New York figured out "Hey, we have the money to put a good team on the field at Shea too..."


The Mets have always spent money but usually they spent it on guys like Bonilla and Moe Vaughn. Though It could be argued that they overpaid for Pedro, Beltran and Wagner, but I guess if you got it, flaunt it.

Lots of Mets fans are worried about their starting pitching and whether its good enough to stand up in the post season. Pedro is not where he was last year and Glavine has been shaky lately. They don't have much after that.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 09:02 PM
Aurilia's pace is for 43 K's.

Phillips' pace is for 68 K's.

Freel's pace is for 83 K's.

seems like 4 contact guys in the lineup:confused:

I suppose you're right about Phillips to some extent. Freel's bread and butter is the BB.

And Aurilia hasn't historically been much of a contact guy.

harangatang
07-19-2006, 09:02 PM
Edit

kyred14
07-19-2006, 09:03 PM
Poker on TV, how in the hell did that catch on?

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 09:04 PM
I suppose you're right about Phillips to some extent. Freel's bread and butter is the BB.

And Aurilia hasn't historically been much of a contact guy.
i get what you mean now. contact guy who sees a lot of pitches, but will swing early in the count if the pitch is in his happy zone.

CrackerJack
07-19-2006, 09:04 PM
wow rough storm down here just across the river, yikes

Mutaman
07-19-2006, 09:04 PM
Maybe Wayne has transformed this team into the Twins East.


Several have said this. Considering the Red's record for the last five years, what would be wrong with that?

CrackerJack
07-19-2006, 09:07 PM
look at 4-8

RA-SH-BP-RC-JL

That wouldn't scare a AAA pitcher.

That's downright sad.

harangatang
07-19-2006, 09:13 PM
Several have said this. Considering the Red's record for the last five years, what would be wrong with that?That they're not the GM or manager who did it.

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 09:15 PM
oy...a Clemmens Vs. Maddox matchup on WGN - almost makes it worth it to watch a Cubs game for once.

RFS62
07-19-2006, 09:16 PM
Harang, or FCB? ;)



FCB always brings his A game.

You know what you're gonna get when he takes the keyboard.

He does all the little things.... correct punctuation, proper syntax....

Yes, there were doubters after the Dunn walkoff granny, but he pulled himself together and got back on track.

He's a rock among pebbles.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 09:18 PM
He's a rock among pebbles.


That's "millstone" to you. :)

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 09:19 PM
He's a rock among pebbles.

Are you saying FCB is stoned?

RFS62
07-19-2006, 09:20 PM
That's "millstone" to you. :)



No way. You make me think.

Then laugh, sometimes. Then go pour a drink.

:beerme:

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:20 PM
Reds44 is apparently the first caller to the Banana Phone ;)
I made a run for the border (Taco Bell). I assume it was an Edwin question?

Chip R
07-19-2006, 09:20 PM
You know, it would not be the worst thing in the world if this game were rained out.

RFS62
07-19-2006, 09:21 PM
Are you saying FCB is stoned?



No, I'd say he needs to get stoned.

:cool:

GAC
07-19-2006, 09:22 PM
The Reds lineup tonight has 5 hackers, Jr, Aurilia, Phillips, Clayton, and Larue.

Those early season games of using patience to wear down the opposing pitcher are long gone. Maybe Wayne has transformed this team into the Twins East.

And that would be a bad thing seeing the recent history of a small market franchise that has been quite successful?

They are currently 52-40. ;)

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 09:22 PM
You know, it would not be the worst thing in the world if this game were rained out.
Not at all. Though Trach should be getting hammered.

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 09:22 PM
I made a run for the border (Taco Bell). I assume it was an Edwin question?

It was someone professing their undying love and devotion to EE, so we just assumed it was you. :)

RFS62
07-19-2006, 09:22 PM
Not at all. Though Trach should be getting hammered.


That's good advice.

:beerme:

RedLegSuperStar
07-19-2006, 09:23 PM
You know, it would not be the worst thing in the world if this game were rained out.

Stats stay though right? Obviously records don't unless the game reaches 5 innings.

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:24 PM
It was someone professing their undying love and devotion to EE, so we just assumed it was you. :)
I was going to post a response to that, but it would have sounded reallly gay.

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 09:25 PM
From MLBtraderumors.com

The Rox are looking for relievers, and the Royals have Elmer Dessens and Jeremy Affeldt available. Mike MacDougal also has a chance to be dealt. The Royals would prefer to unload shortstop Angel Berroa and just one reliever to get first baseman Ryan Shealy. That way other relievers could snag more value in separate deals.

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 09:25 PM
I was going to post a response to that, but it would have sounded reallly gay.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........that's priceless.

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 09:26 PM
No, I'd say he needs to get stoned.
:cool:

Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good,
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home.
Then they'll stone ya when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone ya when you're walkin' 'long the street.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to keep your seat.
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' on the floor.
They'll stone ya when you're walkin' to the door.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

They'll stone ya when you're at the breakfast table.
They'll stone ya when you are young and able.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to make a buck.
They'll stone ya and then they'll say, "good luck."
Tell ya what, I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone you and say that it's the end.
Then they'll stone you and then they'll come back again.
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car.
They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar.
Yes, but I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

Well, they'll stone you when you walk all alone.
They'll stone you when you are walking home.
They'll stone you and then say you are brave.
They'll stone you when you are set down in your grave.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

GAC
07-19-2006, 09:26 PM
No, I'd say he needs to get stoned.

:cool:

I found this rare shot of FCB in RZ pics. ;)

http://69.20.67.100/library/photos/262/262806.jpg

GAC
07-19-2006, 09:28 PM
Not at all. Though Trach should be getting hammered.

he has to wait till at least after the game. ;)

StillFunkyB
07-19-2006, 09:30 PM
he has to wait till at least after the game. ;)

Well, that all depends... :evil:

alloverjr
07-19-2006, 09:31 PM
Not at all. Though Trach should be getting hammered.


I'll venture a guess and say that the lineup we currently waltz out there will never hammer a pitcher. Way too many weak sticks.

RedLegSuperStar
07-19-2006, 09:31 PM
From MLBtraderumors.com

The Rox are looking for relievers, and the Royals have Elmer Dessens and Jeremy Affeldt available. Mike MacDougal also has a chance to be dealt. The Royals would prefer to unload shortstop Angel Berroa and just one reliever to get first baseman Ryan Shealy. That way other relievers could snag more value in separate deals.

I'd take Affeldt. Gotay just got traded to the Mets for Keppinger. I'd give Colorado Olmedo, Weathers, and PTNL to snag Shealy.

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 09:31 PM
he has to wait till at least after the game.


Bill Lee may disagree

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 09:32 PM
Maybe Wayne has transformed this team into the Twins East.
Still looking for Santana ;)

Oh..and I don't see the twins with any rings lately :D

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 09:32 PM
They may bag this thing.

We'll see.

guttle11
07-19-2006, 09:33 PM
They may bag this thing.

We'll see.

Come on rain!!

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:34 PM
They may bag this thing.

We'll see.
We can only hope.

DH tomorrow if they do call it?

If so that probably means Mays will start one of the games.

:scared:

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 09:35 PM
If so that probably means Mays will start one of the games.

:scared:
I'll take a Harang off his game over Mays everyday

StillFunkyB
07-19-2006, 09:36 PM
Andy Furman is a tool.

Just sayin.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 09:38 PM
We can only hope.

DH tomorrow if they do call it?

If so that probably means Mays will start one of the games.



I would guess, but I hope not.

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:39 PM
I would guess, but I hope not.
Call up Homer!

;)

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 09:39 PM
Somebody just did a search for "Carlos Beltran Overrated" on the RZ search feature. :laugh:

alloverjr
07-19-2006, 09:40 PM
They may bag this thing.

We'll see.


The baseball gods must be punishing the Reds. It's only raining over GABP. I'm 5 miles from the river and the ground is bone dry. :eek:

KittyDuran
07-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Looking at the weather map... there is a big cell coming through IL and into IN... maybe that's what they are looking at...

MrCinatit
07-19-2006, 09:42 PM
The baseball gods must be punishing the Reds. It's only raining over GABP. I'm 5 miles from the river and the ground is bone dry. :eek:

From the way the game was going, I would not call a rainout tonight punishment.

flyer85
07-19-2006, 09:42 PM
So would you give a not so sharp Harang the rest of the night off?

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:43 PM
So if this thing is called, the stats count but we start from scratch on the scoreboard, correct?

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 09:43 PM
So would you give a not so sharp Harang the rest of the night off?
Mays, Joe

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 09:43 PM
The baseball gods must be punishing the Reds. It's only raining over GABP. I'm 5 miles from the river and the ground is bone dry. :eek:

The way they were getting beaten around the park this evening, this rainstorm might as well be a call from the governor.

RedLegSuperStar
07-19-2006, 09:44 PM
Call up Homer!

;)

HEHE

He's not on the 40 man roster. I think Dumatrait would be worth a shot if Mays continues to be useless in the rotation. Another option would be hard throwing (83 MPH) Paul Wilson. Purhaps move Mays back to the pen or DFA him.

oneupper
07-19-2006, 09:45 PM
So if this thing is called, the stats count but we start from scratch on the scoreboard, correct?

I thought it was all ERASED...as if it never happened...:eek:

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:45 PM
So if this thing is called, the stats count but we start from scratch on the scoreboard, correct?
The scoreboard would start from scratch for sure, but I am pretty sure the stats don't count.


HEHE

He's not on the 40 man roster. I think Dumatrait would be worth a shot if Mays continues to be useless in the rotation. Another option would be hard throwing (83 MPH) Paul Wilson. Purhaps move Mays back to the pen or DFA him.

Wilson is on the 60 day DL, so he isn't on the 40 man either.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Looking at the weather map... there is a big cell coming through IL and into IN... maybe that's what they are looking at...
That's a good four to five hours away, if it even holds together. It has to be the amount of standing water on the field.

flyer85
07-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Mays, Joehe has to pitch on Saturday. :eek:

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:47 PM
Nevermind.

alloverjr
07-19-2006, 09:47 PM
The way they were getting beaten around the park this evening, this rainstorm might as well be a call from the governor.


Except Mr. Governor called to say that instead of Harang fighting without his best stuff, tomorrow you get Mays in one of the games who has no stuff. ;)

I'm assuming the Mets aren't in Cincy any more in '06.

Chip R
07-19-2006, 09:49 PM
I am not sure if they would play a DH tomorrow. The Mets are leaving town after the game so they may just reschedule it if it matters in the standings at the end of the season or on a day where teams have mutual off days. I am going to the game tomorrow but I am not sure if I want to stay through two games in that heat.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 09:49 PM
Except Mr. Governor called to say that instead of Harang fighting without his best stuff, tomorrow you get Mays in one of the games who has no stuff. ;)

I'm assuming the Mets aren't in Cincy any more in '06.

I think Germano goes for Louiville tomorrow -- he's on he 40 man. Call him up.

Mutaman
07-19-2006, 09:49 PM
Still looking for Santana ;)

Oh..and I don't see the twins with any rings lately :D


Rings?? Where have you been the last five years? If he can transform this team into a .500 ballclub, I say put him in the Hall of Fame. One step at a time. (And if the Twins played in the NL Central, they'd be 10 games in front).

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:51 PM
Is a team allowed to bring someone up to make a start from the minors in circumstances like this (if it does indeed get called) without having to send anyone down for the 10 day period? Or if they would call someone up, would someone still have to leave for 10 days?

Aronchis
07-19-2006, 09:52 PM
This game isn't going to be called. The rain is over from that little cell, mercy.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:52 PM
Severe thunderstorm Warning for eastern Hamilton county until 9:30.

harangatang
07-19-2006, 09:53 PM
Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Hamilton County

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:54 PM
From the images on FSN, it's going to be a LONG time still.

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:54 PM
Severe thunderstorm Warning for eastern Hamilton county until 9:30.
Woo-hoo!

Tornon
07-19-2006, 09:54 PM
I thought it was all ERASED...as if it never happened...:eek:

I am almost positive you are correct.. as if none of this ever happened

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 09:54 PM
Woo-hoo!
Mays fan :devil:

guttle11
07-19-2006, 09:55 PM
Insert Forrest Gump raining joke here.

Tom Hanks is in the house, along with Ron Howard and Dennis Miller.

One of these things is not like the others....

CTA513
07-19-2006, 09:55 PM
They may bag this thing.

We'll see.

When they didnt a rain delay update it looked like there was alot of rain on the field. I hope they call it now instead of waiting like 3 or 4 hours to resume the game.

Matt700wlw
07-19-2006, 09:56 PM
That warning track is a swamp....and it's raining again

BoydsOfSummer
07-19-2006, 09:57 PM
Wow,they had a downpour at the yard and here in Hamiltucky it's dry as a popcorn fart. Not a sign of rain. Odd.

reds44
07-19-2006, 09:57 PM
That warning track is a swamp....and it's raining again
http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/phpbb/images/smiles/02-13-banana.gif

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 09:59 PM
When they didnt a rain delay update it looked like there was alot of rain on the field. I hope they call it now instead of waiting like 3 or 4 hours to resume the game.
No doubt. If it's going to be another two hours before the field is playable, call it now and play two tomorrow. This game is only in the second inning and if they don't start playing until 10:00 or after it's going to be a LONG night, especially having to play a 12:35 game tomorrow.

toledodan
07-19-2006, 09:59 PM
When they didnt a rain delay update it looked like there was alot of rain on the field. I hope they call it now instead of waiting like 3 or 4 hours to resume the game.



i hope they call it. harang doesn't have it tonight and i worry about the offense getting it done tonight.

CTA513
07-19-2006, 09:59 PM
That warning track is a swamp....and it's raining again

The field is going to be flooded if it keeps on raining.

reds44
07-19-2006, 10:01 PM
It's times like these (and only times like these) that I am thankful for U.S. Bank Arena.

Tornon
07-19-2006, 10:01 PM
http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/phpbb/images/smiles/02-13-banana.gif

Don't do it.. bananas are evil

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 10:01 PM
So, if the game does go back on, who comes back out to the mound to re-start the game? You almost have to go to Matt Belisle or Joe Mays here.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 10:02 PM
Marty: "They're fighting a losing battle."

KittyDuran
07-19-2006, 10:02 PM
Wow,they had a downpour at the yard and here in Hamiltucky it's dry as a popcorn fart. Not a sign of rain. Odd.and muggy as all heck...:thumbdown

reds44
07-19-2006, 10:02 PM
So, if the game does go back on, who comes back out to the mound to re-start the game? You almost have to go to Matt Belisle or Joe Mays here.
Belisle is on the DL.

I think that would be illegal. :p:

flyer85
07-19-2006, 10:02 PM
So, if the game does go back on, who comes back out to the mound to re-start the game? You almost have to go to Matt Belisle or Joe Mays here.Belisle is on the DL

BoydsOfSummer
07-19-2006, 10:02 PM
Won't be Belisle.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 10:02 PM
So, if the game does go back on, who comes back out to the mound to re-start the game? You almost have to go to Matt Belisle or Joe Mays here.
Belisle is on the DL and Mays is Saturday's starter.

KittyDuran
07-19-2006, 10:03 PM
No Riverfront and no Zamboni (sp?)...;)

reds44
07-19-2006, 10:04 PM
Belisle is on the DL and Mays is Saturday's starter.
Oh crap I forgot Mays was starting Saturday. You almost have to call someone up from the minors for tomorrow unless you start Standridge.

I doubt they will want EZ going on 3 days rest.

Unless you could always start Mays tomorrow and pitch Milton on short rest Saturday or call someone up then.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 10:05 PM
Belisle is on the DL

Thought I hadn't seen him in a while. :thumbup:

BoydsOfSummer
07-19-2006, 10:06 PM
Those Zamboni carpet suckers were pretty cool. I have a picture of the starting 8 from 75 and they are all sitting on one of them called "The Big Red Machine". Cool picture.

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 10:06 PM
Knock the arena down and put a retractable roof on the place :D

redsrule2500
07-19-2006, 10:08 PM
Geez how long is this rain delay.

Just call the game!! ;)

Strikes Out Looking
07-19-2006, 10:08 PM
The radar shows a slim line of showers north of 275 to the bottom of 275 going due south, straight over downtown.

CTA513
07-19-2006, 10:09 PM
So, if the game does go back on, who comes back out to the mound to re-start the game? You almost have to go to Matt Belisle or Joe Mays here.

They could probably call up Justin Germano for a spot start since Joe Mays is supposed to start on saturday.

reds44
07-19-2006, 10:10 PM
They could probably call up Justin Germano for a spot start since Joe Mays is supposed to start on saturday.
Who goes down then?

Standridge?

You would have to DFA him.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 10:10 PM
One of Furman's callers "Likes pee-pee".

:laugh:

flyer85
07-19-2006, 10:12 PM
Geez how long is this rain delay.

Just call the game!! ;)they usually wait at least 2 hours.

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 10:12 PM
One of Furman's callers "Likes pee-pee".

:laugh:
Matt..these are 700 guys aren't they? ;)

reds44
07-19-2006, 10:12 PM
This game is only in the 2nd. If it starts, it won't start until 10:15 at the earliest, meaning the game won't end until like 1.

Then you have to play a 12:35 day game tomorrow.

Just call it.

captainmorgan07
07-19-2006, 10:13 PM
This game is only in the 2nd. If it starts, it won't start until 10:15 at the earliest, meaning the game won't end until like 1.

Then you have to play a 12:35 day game tomorrow.

Just call it.
they could always move back tommorrows game