Game thread 7/20: Arroyo vs. Glavine

[GOREDSGO32]

Double! Yes .. don't blow this chance Reds.

[flynn78]

Fans should razz Marty for his hair.

I don't care who you are that's funny.

[Stamford]

I'm glad I had a conference call for that bottom of the sixth. That is what drives me NUTS about this team. Talk about canceling the good feelings I had when Arroyo had the successful sacrifice in the 5th. Between giving up outs on the defensive side (generally speaking) and not executing with RISP on offense, it is enough to drive a man to drink (or to drink more...during appropriate, non-business hours of course [never know when the work internet police are trolling ;) ]

[dabvu2498]

Bunt with Deno???

[flynn78]

Deno to bunt? It seems he is. Bunts Freel to third.

[Petitt33]

Deno bunts Freel to 3rd.

1 down

[GOREDSGO32]

Sacrifice bunt for Denorfia ... Now Dunn up to get a sacrifice?

[flynn78]

Dunn get the ball to the outfield by any means possible.

[Stamford]

Freel on third...1 out. Come on DUNNER!!!

[dabvu2498]

They'll pitch around Dunn.

[Danny Serafini]

Insert scrappiness remark here.

[Stamford]

Unintentional intentional walk to set up DP??

[Stamford]

Adam "expanding his zone" to try to make the anti-walk wingnuts happy?

[dabvu2498]

We need some scrappy vet mojo.

[flynn78]

Insert scrappiness remark here.
I'M HERE!
3878

[Stamford]

I know this is negative thinking...but do I sniff a DP by Richie?

[dabvu2498]

I know this is negative thinking...but do I sniff a DP by Richie?
Hush thy tongue!!!

[redssouth]

This is the reason Narron bats RA in the cleanup spot, lets see if it pays off...

[GOREDSGO32]

Wow back to back walks! There goes Glavine ... we need a hit now EE!

[flynn78]

I know this is negative thinking...but do I sniff a DP by Richie?

Stamford you may be new, but you are right in line with our pessimism.

[Stamford]

Hush thy tongue!!!

I know...I know...I'll be good. :)

[dunner13]

Bases loaded for EE

[dabvu2498]

Welcome to the game, Chad Bradford!

[redssouth]

Elevate the ball....lets go EE!!

[Danny Serafini]

Glavine leaves after 102 pitches - 58 strikes, 44 balls.

[Stamford]

Stamford you may be new, but you are right in line with our pessimism.

As I tell my wife, I prefer "realist"....Yeah, I know...she calls me on it too. :evil:

[Gandalf the Red]

Unintentional intentional walk to set up DP??


Actually, Sean Casey was traded awhile back.

[dabvu2498]

Has EE faced Bradford before, I wonder.

[Tom Servo]

C'mon Edwin, you can do it!

[dunner13]

Actually, Sean Casey was traded awhile back.

Man Gandalf you are on fire today.

[dabvu2498]

Hatte PH for EE.

Facing his old teammate, Bradford.

[Danny Serafini]

Hatteberg in to PH.

[Petitt33]

What are you doing Narron?

Eddie has been on base everytime up today. :thumbdown

[dunner13]

Why does narron hate EE

[Stamford]

Don't know the numbers this year, but Bradford, traditionally, has been MURDER on righties with that "knuckle skimming" submariner style of his. This is a good test for EE.

In the hole 0-2.......what was I saying about being a pessim...I mean realist?

[redssouth]

As much as i hate it... cant say i disagree with it. Put a vet in place to do what vets are supposed to do, good game EE, carry it with you to tomorrow.

[GOREDSGO32]

Strikeout .. great stuff. JEEZ.

[dunner13]

The only plus i see here is that hatte is very selective and could draw a walk, although very doubtful in this situation.

[dabvu2498]

Bradford is a tough matchup for any RH. I like the move.

[redssouth]

I would use JR. right here.

[Gandalf the Red]

Man Gandalf you are on fire today.

Thanks. Just wanna give it my best shot, and Good Lord willin' I'll get my callup one of these days.

[Rotater Cuff]

Three for three on truly dumb moves this series, narroonbuffoon
Why pinchhit when a player has momentum

[howyoufreelin]

Narron is an idiot. Edwin had only been on base everytime today, I guess that's not good enough. I don't understand why Narron dislikes Edwin so much.

Comon' Brandon, braek out of the slump baby.

[Stamford]

I can't say its crazy to bring in a lefty there (independent of the result)...but MAN would that have been a great spot for EE to come through for us. Those are defining moments for a young guy. EE gets NO love from Narron.

[Petitt33]

Edwin has a higher average against righties than he does lefties.

I don't get Narron sometimes.

[GOREDSGO32]

::shakes head::

[Stamford]

BP, I love you...but jeez. 2-0 and swinging at one at your ankles (at least that's where MLBGameday showed it.

[Danny Serafini]

Phillips grounder to 3rd ends the inning.

After 7

NYM 2 5 0
CIN 2 9 0

[dabvu2498]

Edwin has a higher average against righties than he does lefties.

I don't get Narron sometimes.
Bradford's a bit different than your standard righty.

[ChaseReds]

Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Julio Franco replaces Chad Bradford.

[OUReds]

There are simply no words adequate to describe how stupid it is to PH hatte for EE.

None.

Managers get dumped on unfairly wayyyy to often, but if we lose this one we'll know why.

[ChaseReds]

Sorry guys for not updating lately I had to get back to work :-(

[dunner13]

We go down quietly in the 8th , then big dunn comes up in the bottom of the 9th and hits the game winning homerun.

[GOREDSGO32]

Julio Franco is still in the league????

[ChaseReds]

Julio Franco strikes out swinging.

[flynn78]

Thanks. Just wanna give it my best shot, and Good Lord willin' I'll get my callup one of these days.

Don't forget your roots down here. A lot of people get callups and abandon the Live gamethread.

[redssouth]

There are simply no words adequate to describe how stupid it is to PH hatte for EE.

None.

Managers get dumped on unfairly wayyyy to often, but if we lose this one we'll know why.


If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

[ChaseReds]

Reyes is up and 0-3 on the day

[dunner13]

Arroyo tearing it up - KKKKKKK

[Stamford]

vs Left-handed Batter 4.91 7.1 9 5 4 0 0 3 7
vs Right-handed Batter 3.49 28.1 26 12 11 1 0 4 19

Bradford's splits. Not as severe (if you disregard ERA) as I recall from past years, but he is still, historically, MURDER on righties.

[ChaseReds]

Jose Reyes flies out to right fielder Chris Denorfia.

[Johnny Footstool]

Narron is channelling Bob Boone today -- make one stupid mistake, then try to cover it up with many more stupid mistakes.

Letting Arroyo hit was stupid. Sacrificing an out to move Freel to third was very stupid. Pinch-hitting for Encarnacion was mind-boggling.

[jfar23]

Is it possible to suspend the manager for making bad moves. That was one of the dumbest moves I've seen a manager make. :bang: :bang:

[bha]

Jerry Narron is an idiot...That is all!

[redssouth]

Narron is channelling Bob Boone today -- make one stupid mistake, then try to cover it up with many more stupid mistakes.

Letting Arroyo hit was stupid. Sacrificing an out to move Freel to third was very stupid. Pinch-hitting for Encarnacion was mind-boggling.


You cant have it both ways, you either want him to play the percentages or you dont. You cant pick and choose by when the moves work or not what should have been done.

[ChaseReds]

*UPDATE ON*
BA
107 Pitches
77 Strikes
30 Balls

[ChaseReds]

Endy Chavez singles on a soft line drive to left fielder Adam Dunn.

[flynn78]

If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

Easy south, just a difference of opinion.

[Stamford]

Man, did I not want to have to face anyone past Endy Chavez this inning....

[GOREDSGO32]

Strikeout! Pleeease keep Arroyo in.

[dabvu2498]

You cant have it both ways, you either want him to play the percentages or you dont. You cant pick and choose by when the moves work or not what should have been done.
Hindsight is always 20/20.

I was in the process of posting that I liked the move when he struck out. I still hit "submit."

[ChaseReds]

Beltran

Pitch 1 - Ball
Pitch 2 - Called Strike
Pitch 3 - Called Strike
Pitch 4 - Swinging Strike

Carlos Beltran strikes out swinging.

[MartyFan]

Narron is channelling Bob Boone today -- make one stupid mistake, then try to cover it up with many more stupid mistakes.

Letting Arroyo hit was stupid. Sacrificing an out to move Freel to third was very stupid. Pinch-hitting for Encarnacion was mind-boggling.

I agree...I NEVER...EVER....spend a lot of time second guessing a manager...but I was out of my chair when I saw he lifted EE for Hatte...then to let BA bat?!?!?!? WOW!!:thumbdown

[dunner13]

KKKKKKKK
Nice day for arroyo, hes done for sure. 111 pitches, I'd say hes done for sure.

[thatcoolguy_22]

narron made a great move. bases juiced with one down and our best contact hitter at the plate (hatte) against a pitcher that is pretty tough on righties... you play the percentages. unfornuate for the reds but arroyo just ended the 8th with a K

[Stamford]

Arroyo says "no problem"...K's Beltran.

What a performance today from Arroyo. You HAVE to win when you get a starting performance like that. We aren't good enough to make the playoffs without winning these types of games.

[ChaseReds]

*UPDATE ON*
Arroyo
111
80 Strikes
31 Balls

[flynn78]

narron made a great move. bases juiced with one down and our best contact hitter at the plate (hatte) against a pitcher that is pretty tough on righties... you play the percentages. unfornuate for the reds but arroyo just ended the 8th with a K

Good point thatcoolguy 22.

[goreds2]

There is only one manager that I knew of that had the guts to place almost ALL left-handed hitters in a lineup against Glavine. Ray Knight did it in 96 or 97 and we BEAT Glavine at HOME. (Glavine had a great record at Riverfront) He is one of the few LEFT-HANDED pitchers that is tougher on RIGHT HANDED Hitters. (I am glad Edwin is playing though :) )

Here is the report on Glavine:

"Particularly deadly against right-handed batters, his control frustrates hitters who know what to expect but rarely succeed in foiling the lethal left-hander. Glavine occasionally works in a sharp breaking curveball".

Two runs in six innings. I wish I would have ate my words regarding this lineup.

[kevinc12345]

The only reasons why I would possibly condone what Narron did (pulling EE for Hatte) would be these two factors playing into the decision: Hatte LEADS the NL in putting the ball in play when he swings (which obviously didn't happen there), and the sub also set the defense into a much more comfortable set with RA at 3rd and Hatte at first.

I think it was a bad decision - as well as EE has been swinging the bat - but it's not an utterly unconventional move.

Now after considering all of that, let's see if it loses us the game :(

[Gandalf the Red]

KKKKKKKK
Nice day for arroyo, hes done for sure. 111 pitches, I'd say hes done for sure.


Unless he goes for the breach of ettiquette and triple dog dares Narron to leave him in.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Boy that last pitch to Beltran was pretty. You could see Larue motioning like he wanted it up and Bron-Bron put it in the perfect spot to miss Beltran's bat.

Man I love the way this guy pitches.

[redssouth]

narron made a great move. bases juiced with one down and our best contact hitter at the plate (hatte) against a pitcher that is pretty tough on righties... you play the percentages. unfornuate for the reds but arroyo just ended the 8th with a K


I second this motion....

[flynn78]

A little Cure Friday I'm in Love as the radio lead in music on 700 WLW. I see good things coming.

[thatcoolguy_22]

I agree...I NEVER...EVER....spend a lot of time second guessing a manager...but I was out of my chair when I saw he lifted EE for Hatte...then to let BA bat?!?!?!? WOW!!:thumbdown


he needed to keep arroyo in the game. look what he just did in the 8th. another doughnut on the board.

[ChaseReds]

Aaron Heilman is now pitching for the METS

0-3 4.36 ERA

[Rotater Cuff]

If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.


Stupid is as stupid does. I agree with him, Encarnacion was on fire, hits righties as well as lefties. The proof is, hatteberg came in cold and struck out. I'm glad your abilities allow you to rise above us lowly message board guys.

[flynn78]

Unless he goes for the breach of ettiquette and triple dog dares Narron to leave him in.

I just spit Mountain Dew all over my laptop, thanks.

[ChaseReds]

Clayton is up and its a Full count 3-2

[redssouth]

The only move i dont agree with from that inning, is i would have sent JR. up right after hatte to PH for Phillips, and moved Freel to second and seen if Jr. could win the game right there.

[GOREDSGO32]

Basehit! ... Jeez we HAVE to score this inning.

[Johnny Footstool]

If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

Why would you consider it the "right" move? Do you always pull RH hitters for LH hitters? Do you pull a guy who is having a great day simply because the pitcher is right handed? Do you always go with "The Vet"?

I like how you included the "regardless of the outcome" caveat, since the outcome was obviously a tragic failure.

Some people are just prisoners of old thinking, I guess.

[ChaseReds]

Royce Clayton singles on a soft line drive to left fielder Cliff Floyd.

[dunner13]

Clayton on. I thought he wasnt suppossed to be able to hit???

[thatcoolguy_22]

clayton sigle to left center

[WrongVerb]

Julio Franco is still in the league????

Yes, the same Julio Franco that was once traded(along with others) for Von Hayes.

[ChaseReds]

LaRue is up ( Most likely going to bunt him over)
let PH for BA

[thatcoolguy_22]

anyone know exazctly what is going on with LaRue? he's hit the ball pretty hard today but for the seasoon he is barely over 200

[ChaseReds]

JL missed the first bunt
Fouled the second bunt

[GOREDSGO32]

Wow almost threw it away.

[ChaseReds]

Jason LaRue out on a sacrifice bunt, third baseman David Wright to second baseman Jose Valentin. Royce Clayton to 2nd.

[flynn78]

LaRue bunts over Clayton to second. Javy PH for Arroyo.

[Gandalf the Red]

Yes, the same Julio Franco that was once traded(along with others) for Von Hayes.

I think he was also in charge of Spain for awhile.

[ChaseReds]

Javier Valentin replaces BA

[kevinc12345]

Is Griffey hurt or something? I'm curious as to why he's not hit yet!

[dunner13]

So with one of the best players ever on the bench we decide to let our overweight 3rd catcher bat. Yet another good call by jerry narron.

[flynn78]

I think he was also in charge of Spain for awhile.

I always saw you as a faschist Gandalf.

[dabvu2498]

So with one of the best players ever on the bench we decide to let our overweight 3rd catcher bat. Yet another good call by jerry narron.
Yeah... this one I don't like.

[redssouth]

Why would you consider it the "right" move? Do you always pull RH hitters for LH hitters? Do you pull a guy who is having a great day simply because the pitcher is right handed? Do you always go with "The Vet"?

I like how you included the "regardless of the outcome" caveat, since the outcome was obviously a tragic failure.

Some people are just prisoners of old thinking, I guess.


Not always, and i will give you that EE has had a great day, but what you need there is contact. What is your best chance at a ball put in play? Hatte, or EE? It failed this time, and i dont think its old thinking, there are simple percentages to play, and that was a percentage play. Just my opinion though, a lot of posters hammer Narron for every move that doesnt work, and thats just the nature of the beast. All i was trying to say was you cant be upset that he doesnt make a move by the book and it fails, then when he goes by the book and it still fails, you cant play both sides based on outcome.

[flynn78]

So with one of the best players ever on the bench we decide to let our overweight 3rd catcher bat. Yet another good call by jerry narron.

I found it curious too, but maybe there is something in the numbers?

[ChaseReds]

JV goes 3-2....pay off pitch coming up

[thatcoolguy_22]

valentin does have a 1975 porn star mustache tho

[ChaseReds]

Javier Valentin grounds out, third baseman David Wright to first baseman Carlos Delgado.

[MartyFan]

I get the percentages but I also know that EE had hit safely two times earlier and walked once today....I'd say you stay with the hot hand....

[CySeymour]

I found it curious too, but maybe there is something in the numbers?

Maybe Narron felt if he sent Jr. up, they would just intentionally walk him.

[Danny Serafini]

Here's some news from Marc's blog that could effect the wild card race:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Atlanta has acquired Bob Wickman from Cleveland for a Class A catcher.

Not a bad pickup for the Braves, at what would appear to be minimal cost. Not that Wickman is anywhere near lights-out anymore, but considering the nonsense Atlanta was running out there to close games, he's got to be an upgrade.

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Personally I'm surprised, every indication was that Wickman wouldn't waive his no trade clause.

[flynn78]

We lost ANOTHER scoring chance.

[ChaseReds]

Ryan Freel grounds out, third baseman David Wright to first baseman Carlos Delgado.

[GOREDSGO32]

Another inning .. and now we just gotta hope for the bullpen not to collapse knock on wood.

[ChaseReds]

Freel swings at the first pitch he see's....

[Z-Fly]

JV would have had a better career in porn. IMO.

[dabvu2498]

Yeah... BARISP is over-rated.

[thatcoolguy_22]

ahhh we can not score!

[kevinc12345]

Freel grounds out to 3rd to strand Clayton. 2-2 going into the 9th.

Everyday Eddie... Show us some magic.

[dunner13]

Up to dunn now. Warn all boats in the river that in the bottom of the inning a baseball hit by adam dunn will be coming there way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flynn78]

Here's some news from Marc's blog that could effect the wild card race:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Atlanta has acquired Bob Wickman from Cleveland for a Class A catcher.

Not a bad pickup for the Braves, at what would appear to be minimal cost. Not that Wickman is anywhere near lights-out anymore, but considering the nonsense Atlanta was running out there to close games, he's got to be an upgrade.

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Personally I'm surprised, every indication was that Wickman wouldn't waive his no trade clause.

Wickman is not much of a pickup. He is a gasoline can this year.

[dabvu2498]

Delgado, Wright, Floyd

Odds that Eddie doesn't have a 1-2-3 inning?

[thatcoolguy_22]

runners 2nd and 3rd one out in the 6th. base loaded 0 outs in the 7th. clayton on 2nd with one out in the 8th. In all 3 innings after we got some runners in scoring posistion we could not even lift a ball into the outfield! Its MADDENING!

[dunner13]

Wickman is not much of a pickup. He is a gasoline can this year.

So was guardardo.

[Danny Serafini]

Anyone else get the feeling Arroyo is going to finish the year still on 9 wins?

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Arroyo's gone 15 innings in his last two starts and given up 2 ER.

His reward? 2 no-decisions.

Yuck.

I love the Reds to no end, but good heavens.

[kevinc12345]

I'll never understand the rationale players use in situations like the one that we saw Freel just in. New pitcher, important situation, why swing at the first pitch? Oh well.

[ChaseReds]

Carlos Delgado flies out to center fielder Ryan Freel.

[OUReds]

If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

I understand the percentages.

I understand that EE has reached base 11 out of his last 13 ABs, and has a very good .878 OPS vs right handers.

Hatte's numbers vs righies are better, but he's coming off the bench cold to face a "tough righty" for a guy that has been tearing the cover off the ball. Since he failed, you also have now replaced EE with RA, an offensive downgrade in a tie ballgame.

I am hardly overly emotional, and I very much disagree that it was the right move. If Mr. Hat has come through, it would STILL have been the wrong move.

[ChaseReds]

David Wright doubles (24) on a line drive to left fielder Adam Dunn.

[kevinc12345]

Arroyo's gone 15 innings in his last two starts and given up 2 ER.

His reward? 2 no-decisions.

Yuck.

I love the Reds to no end, but good heavens.
Well if we can win this game, his reward will be two wins for the TEAM. I wonder if he's not completely selfish and cares about the bigger picture? Nah....

[flynn78]

So was guardardo.

You had to remind me.

[MartyFan]

Well if we can win this game, his reward will be two wins for the TEAM. I wonder if he's not completely shelfish and cares about the bigger picture? Nah....

I'm alergic to shellfish

[redssouth]

I understand the percentages.

I understand that EE has reached base 11 out of his last 13 ABs, and has a very good .878 OPS vs right handers.

Hatte's numbers vs righies are better, but he's coming off the bench cold to face a "tough righty" for a guy that has been tearing the cover off the ball. Since he failed, you also have now replaced EE with RA, an offensive downgrade in a tie ballgame.

I am hardly overly emotional, and I very much disagree that it was the right move. If Mr. Hat has come through, it would STILL have been the wrong move.

Very well, and i understand your points.. we will agree to disagree, my major contention was the absoluteness of you and others saying Narron was/is an idiot, etc.. I think it was an overreaction to a move that was not at all cut and dry. Lets just hope it all works out in the end, and that EE can carry some confidence from today to tomorrow.

[ChaseReds]

Pitch 1 - Foul
Pitch 2 - Ball
Pitch 3 - Foul
Pitch 4 - Ball
Pitch 5 - Swinging Strike

Cliff Floyd strikes out swinging.

[texasdave]

i have no problem with playing 'small ball' in certain situations other than the simple fact that the 2006 edition of reds doesnt seem to play 'small ball' very well.

[kevinc12345]

I'm alergic to shellfish
;)

[flynn78]

Good pitch there Everyday Eddie, let's get the last out now. He did. End it Dunn.

[ChaseReds]

Jose Valentin grounds out, shortstop Royce Clayton to first baseman Scott Hatteberg.

[thatcoolguy_22]

bottom 9th 2-2

i love our new bullpen. i miss our old offense

[ChaseReds]

i have no problem with playing 'small ball' in certain situations other than the simple fact that the 2006 edition of reds doesnt seem to play 'small ball' very well.

Agreed.

[kevinc12345]

bottom 9th 2-2

i love our new bullpen. i miss our old offense
Old meaning last night? :confused:

[ChaseReds]

*UPDATE*
BATTING
2B: Freel 2 (20, Glavine, Glavine), Encarnacion (20, Glavine).
TB: Freel 5; Aurilia; Encarnacion 3; Phillips; Clayton 2; LaRue.
RBI: Freel 2 (17).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: LaRue; Dunn; Arroyo 2; Phillips 2; Freel.
S: Arroyo; Denorfia; LaRue.
Team LOB: 11.

BASERUNNING
CS: Freel (6, 2nd base by Glavine/Castro).

[REDSEER]

Feliciano in to pitch for the Mets

[Danny Serafini]

Pedro Feliciano in to pitch

[flynn78]

Old meaning last night? :confused:

Halcyon days my friend. ;)

[OUReds]

Very well, and i understand your points.. we will agree to disagree, my major contention was the absoluteness of you and others saying Narron was/is an idiot, etc.. I think it was an overreaction to a move that was not at all cut and dry. Lets just hope it all works out in the end, and that EE can carry some confidence from today to tomorrow.


For the record, I do not think Narron is an idiot. I think he has good intangibles and has a good rapport with the players.

The way he has handled EE, not just tonight but overall? Stupid.

[Danny Serafini]

Now that we're up and running again, Denorfia walked, Dunn struck out. Marty was steaming mad that Narron didn't have Dunn bunt.

[flynn78]

Deno walks
Dunn K's

[redssouth]

I would agree with you on the handling of EE up to this point. He needs to play. But i still think i would PH Hatte with the game on the line.

[flynn78]

Now that we're up and running again, Denorfia walked, Dunn struck out. Marty was steaming mad that Narron didn't have Dunn bunt.

Panic set in at the flynn78 mansion.

[flynn78]

Marty saying Deno got squeezed on the CS. Two down.

[Tom Servo]

safe...

[Danny Serafini]

Denorfia gets thrown out stealing. Ouch.

[Gandalf the Red]

Denorfia gets thrown out stealing. Ouch.

Isn't catching God stealing breaking one of the Ten Commandments?

[Tom Servo]

He was safe, Keith Hernandez agreed.

[Danny Serafini]

Aurilia draws the walk, Hatteberg up.

[redssouth]

2 sacrifice bunts
2 caught stealing
2 bunt attempts for hits

all resulting in outs. That is a lot of outs to give away between the dirt... and not get any runs out of them. Yikes.

[redssouth]

If he hit one in the gap.. could RA score?

[big boy]

I wonder what EE woulda done in that situation.

[flynn78]

A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

[Rotater Cuff]

magic is up!

[REDSEER]

Here comes Majewski.....a shut down inning would be great here.....

[Tom Servo]

:bang:

[GOREDSGO32]

Could we have everyone in our bullpen record scoreless innings in two nights? Has everyone pitched yesterday and today, now that Majeski is in?

[ChaseReds]

i have no problem with playing 'small ball' in certain situations other than the simple fact that the 2006 edition of reds doesnt seem to play 'small ball' very well.

Agreed.

[dabvu2498]

A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.
What page is that on?

[Danny Serafini]

A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

I missed it. Anything entertaining or just same old same old?

[GOREDSGO32]

Omg .. Wtf???

[Danny Serafini]

Ramon Castro grounded out to second by the way. Xavier Nady is PH for the pitcher as we speak.

[flynn78]

It was on the last couple when I was there. Four or five up now prob.

[Stamford]

<<Xavier Nady doubles (12) on a pop up to second baseman Brandon Phillips.>>

What the heck!?!?

[Danny Serafini]

Aw crap. Denorfia and Phillips got in each other's way and the ball falls in between. Double for Nady.

[Gandalf the Red]

A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

I always thought it was because there wasn't enough room at the grown-ups table ;)

[flynn78]

I missed it. Anything entertaining or just same old same old?

Same old. Glad to have you here instead of there Mr. Serafini.

[Danny Serafini]

Majewski catches Reyes looking for out #2.

[minus5]

Aw crap. Denorfia and Phillips got in each other's way and the ball falls in between. Double for Nady.
This seems to be Majewski's luck so far.

[Stamford]

If Endy Chavez beats us I may blow a gasket.

[howyoufreelin]

majewski is the unluckiest pitcher i have ever seen.

[Danny Serafini]

Chavez doubled down the line in left. 3-2 Mets.

[GOREDSGO32]

Here comes a run. JEEZ. All this because Phillips or Deno couldn't call one another off. Seriously, the way the Reds lose games, I can't stand it. It always has to be some kind of stupid crap like this.

[flynn78]

Darn it. We have all those chances and they score on Majic that way. :bang:

[Danny Serafini]

Mercker coming in to face Beltran.

[Danny Serafini]

Same old. Glad to have you here instead of there Mr. Serafini.

Aw, shucks. :redface: I actually like the Live game threads better, they're easier to work with size-wise and you get to see some different faces.

[Stamford]

This team...this gosh-darn team. I don't know how I have remained a Reds fan all my life. They bring me so much pain.

[keeganbrick]

Majewski burned from another bloop hit. Great another run scored.

[Danny Serafini]

Another double to left, 4-2 Mets. This is getting depressing.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

majewski is the unluckiest pitcher i have ever seen.

Seriously. It seems like no one hits the ball hard off him, but these bloop or foul line hugging doubles.

I know this may warrant my banning from RZ, but Deno has to know the situation.

And as I type this, Mercker can't get the first batter he faces out. Bitterness rising here. It ain't over yet, but it's frustrating nevertheless.

[Stamford]

Beltran doubles...game over...I can't watch any more or I am going to be sick.

[major harris]

I just got here...how come Dunn didn't sac Denorfia over to 2nd in the Bot of 9th?

thanks!

[ChaseReds]

Carlos Beltran doubles (22) on a line drive to left fielder Adam Dunn. Endy Chavez scores.

4-2 favor mets

[ChatterRed]

We suck today.

[Danny Serafini]

Beltran doubles...game over...I can't watch any more or I am going to be sick.

I've thought that before, but this team has a knack for late comebacks. This one isn't over.

[GOREDSGO32]

And here comes another run. Way to go guys. This is why we're not going to make the playoffs. You waste golden starts by Arroyo. You can't get a freaking SACRIFICE with chances in TWO innings to do so. You can't catch a SIMPLE popup. Not only do you get an L on a day your ace is pitching you should have won, now you have to win with a guy like Mays or Milton to avoid a losing streak.

Maybe you shut me up and make up for your mess ups and score three runs here, but unlikely.

[major harris]

I just got here...how come Dunn didn't sac Denorfia over to 2nd in the Bot of 9th?

thanks!


Help!

[flynn78]

Beltran doubles...game over...I can't watch any more or I am going to be sick.

This team has a lot of heart. Don't lose faith yet. These games happen. It was tough for Mets fans yesterday. We could come back.

[Danny Serafini]

I just got here...how come Dunn didn't sac Denorfia over to 2nd in the Bot of 9th?

thanks!

Welcome to the game thread, Marty! ;) Seriously though, he's just not a good bunter, and he's dangerous enough with the bat you may as well let him take a hack at it.

[Stamford]

We seriously could have won all three games against the (allegedly) best team in the NL (I personally think their starting pitching is a mirage...particularly with Pedro's brittle body)....and we wind up with 1 of 3. And to think I felt so good staying up to watch that whole game last night. Ugh.

[flynn78]

Welcome to the game thread, Marty! ;) Seriously though, he's just not a good bunter, and he's dangerous enough with the bat you may as well let him take a hack at it.

Agreed Danny. Keep the optimism up as well.

[ChatterRed]

Nice trade for Majewski. He's really been a plus. (sarcasm)

[Danny Serafini]

Delgado grounded to 2nd to end the inning. Wagner now on to face Phillips, Clayton and LaRue.

Mid 10th

NYM 4 10 0
CIN 2 10 0

[b_combs23]

i agree with goredsgo, he summed up the team and situation, no sarcasm, i totally agree

[flynn78]

Come on boys. Do not go quietly.

[Stamford]

Wagner throwing strikes...I was hoping for a walk and a blast type inning. [see, I am a hopeless optimist afterall].

[keeganbrick]

Nice trade for Majewski. He's really been a plus. (sarcasm)
Yea, the victim of bloop base hits.

[texasdave]

Here comes a run. JEEZ. All this because Phillips or Deno couldn't call one another off. Seriously, the way the Reds lose games, I can't stand it. It always has to be some kind of stupid crap like this.

the reds are taking the "fun" out of fundamentals. but never fear the team of destiny is about to strike back with 3 runs in the home half of the 10th.

[Danny Serafini]

Phillips grounds out short, 1 out.

[major harris]

Welcome to the game thread, Marty! ;) Seriously though, he's just not a good bunter, and he's dangerous enough with the bat you may as well let him take a hack at it.


I don't care if it is me, Dunn, Bench or Babe F'ing Ruth.....the sac should have been tried.

Narron sometimes just mystifies me...not Bob Boone mystify yet, though. :)

[ChatterRed]

Wagner is pitching?

Game over.

[Stamford]

3-0 to CLayton...this is what I was looking for....

[flynn78]

i agree with goredsgo, he summed up the team and situation, no sarcasm, i totally agree

It will be tough sometimes especially with our offense for pitching trade. This is the life we chose.;) We need to keep our heads.

[Stamford]

BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D

[major harris]

BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D


nope

[Danny Serafini]

Clayton goes up 3-0, then comes back to strike out. 2 gone.

[Stamford]

BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D

I didn't think so.

[ChaseReds]

Clayton struck out

[flynn78]

BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D

Apparently not.

[GOREDSGO32]

Game over. We lose on a popup or a fly out. Pick one. We couldn't get a flyout to get a run in, in two innings ... or we couldn't catch a pop up. Seriously, if we fall out of the WC race, I don't even care. Thats what this team deserves. You play like that you deserve to lose.

[flynn78]

Tough one today guys, but great gamethread. Let's bash the Brew Crew this weekend and find our smiles again.

[Danny Serafini]

LaRue goes down swining.

Final (10)

NYM 4 10 0
CIN 2 10 0

Missed opportunities the theme of the day.

[Stamford]

Maybe I should watch from afar...I am 0-1 when participating.

Seriously though, as painful as that was, good to be part of the RZ crew. Until next time..........

[dabvu2498]

Thanks Danny... nice job on the pbp

[OUReds]

Tough one today. Poor execution and poor managing against the best team in the NL will burn you more often then not. Need a good showing against the brew Crew

[Danny Serafini]

Fun game guys, even though it didn't go the way we wanted.

W: Feliciano (4-2)
L: Majewski (3-3)
S: Wagner (19)
HR: Floyd (10), Delgado (23)

Today's top Reds:

Arroyo 8IP 6H 2R 0BB 8K
Freel 3-5, 2 doubles, 2RBI
Encarnacion 2-2, walk
Clayton 2-5, R

[Tom Servo]

This one hurt

[Johnny Footstool]

A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

It was tired the day it was instituted. I've said so from the start.

[markymark69]

This one hurt

It did, but in all honesty, the Reds did not deserve to win this game. For all those who think this would not have happened with Kearns and Lopez. This type of offense (or lack thereof) happened all the time with Kearns and Lopez.

[REDREAD]

Here's some news from Marc's blog that could effect the wild card race:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Atlanta has acquired Bob Wickman from Cleveland for a Class A catcher.
.

The guys we got were better of course, but it's interesting to see how another team reacts to the tight market for relievers.
Wickman is pretty scary, don't get me wrong, but not a bad gamble for Atl.

[REDREAD]

A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

:beerme: This is the TRUE gamethread :)