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GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:28 PM
Double! Yes .. don't blow this chance Reds.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:28 PM
Fans should razz Marty for his hair.

I don't care who you are that's funny.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:28 PM
I'm glad I had a conference call for that bottom of the sixth. That is what drives me NUTS about this team. Talk about canceling the good feelings I had when Arroyo had the successful sacrifice in the 5th. Between giving up outs on the defensive side (generally speaking) and not executing with RISP on offense, it is enough to drive a man to drink (or to drink more...during appropriate, non-business hours of course [never know when the work internet police are trolling ;) ]

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Bunt with Deno???

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Deno to bunt? It seems he is. Bunts Freel to third.

Petitt33
07-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Deno bunts Freel to 3rd.

1 down

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Sacrifice bunt for Denorfia ... Now Dunn up to get a sacrifice?

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Dunn get the ball to the outfield by any means possible.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:30 PM
Freel on third...1 out. Come on DUNNER!!!

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:30 PM
They'll pitch around Dunn.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 03:30 PM
Insert scrappiness remark here.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:31 PM
Unintentional intentional walk to set up DP??

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:31 PM
Adam "expanding his zone" to try to make the anti-walk wingnuts happy?

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:32 PM
We need some scrappy vet mojo.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:32 PM
Insert scrappiness remark here.
I'M HERE!
3878

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:32 PM
I know this is negative thinking...but do I sniff a DP by Richie?

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:33 PM
I know this is negative thinking...but do I sniff a DP by Richie?
Hush thy tongue!!!

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:33 PM
This is the reason Narron bats RA in the cleanup spot, lets see if it pays off...

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Wow back to back walks! There goes Glavine ... we need a hit now EE!

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
I know this is negative thinking...but do I sniff a DP by Richie?

Stamford you may be new, but you are right in line with our pessimism.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Hush thy tongue!!!

I know...I know...I'll be good. :)

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Bases loaded for EE

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Welcome to the game, Chad Bradford!

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:35 PM
Elevate the ball....lets go EE!!

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 03:35 PM
Glavine leaves after 102 pitches - 58 strikes, 44 balls.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:36 PM
Stamford you may be new, but you are right in line with our pessimism.

As I tell my wife, I prefer "realist"....Yeah, I know...she calls me on it too. :evil:

Gandalf the Red
07-20-2006, 03:36 PM
Unintentional intentional walk to set up DP??


Actually, Sean Casey was traded awhile back.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:36 PM
Has EE faced Bradford before, I wonder.

Tom Servo
07-20-2006, 03:36 PM
C'mon Edwin, you can do it!

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:36 PM
Actually, Sean Casey was traded awhile back.

Man Gandalf you are on fire today.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:37 PM
Hatte PH for EE.

Facing his old teammate, Bradford.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 03:37 PM
Hatteberg in to PH.

Petitt33
07-20-2006, 03:37 PM
What are you doing Narron?

Eddie has been on base everytime up today. :thumbdown

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:38 PM
Why does narron hate EE

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:38 PM
Don't know the numbers this year, but Bradford, traditionally, has been MURDER on righties with that "knuckle skimming" submariner style of his. This is a good test for EE.

In the hole 0-2.......what was I saying about being a pessim...I mean realist?

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:38 PM
As much as i hate it... cant say i disagree with it. Put a vet in place to do what vets are supposed to do, good game EE, carry it with you to tomorrow.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:38 PM
Strikeout .. great stuff. JEEZ.

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:39 PM
The only plus i see here is that hatte is very selective and could draw a walk, although very doubtful in this situation.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:39 PM
Bradford is a tough matchup for any RH. I like the move.

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:39 PM
I would use JR. right here.

Gandalf the Red
07-20-2006, 03:39 PM
Man Gandalf you are on fire today.

Thanks. Just wanna give it my best shot, and Good Lord willin' I'll get my callup one of these days.

Rotater Cuff
07-20-2006, 03:40 PM
Three for three on truly dumb moves this series, narroonbuffoon
Why pinchhit when a player has momentum

howyoufreelin
07-20-2006, 03:40 PM
Narron is an idiot. Edwin had only been on base everytime today, I guess that's not good enough. I don't understand why Narron dislikes Edwin so much.

Comon' Brandon, braek out of the slump baby.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:40 PM
I can't say its crazy to bring in a lefty there (independent of the result)...but MAN would that have been a great spot for EE to come through for us. Those are defining moments for a young guy. EE gets NO love from Narron.

Petitt33
07-20-2006, 03:40 PM
Edwin has a higher average against righties than he does lefties.

I don't get Narron sometimes.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:41 PM
::shakes head::

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:42 PM
BP, I love you...but jeez. 2-0 and swinging at one at your ankles (at least that's where MLBGameday showed it.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Phillips grounder to 3rd ends the inning.

After 7

NYM 2 5 0
CIN 2 9 0

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Edwin has a higher average against righties than he does lefties.

I don't get Narron sometimes.
Bradford's a bit different than your standard righty.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:43 PM
Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Julio Franco replaces Chad Bradford.

OUReds
07-20-2006, 03:44 PM
There are simply no words adequate to describe how stupid it is to PH hatte for EE.

None.

Managers get dumped on unfairly wayyyy to often, but if we lose this one we'll know why.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:44 PM
Sorry guys for not updating lately I had to get back to work :-(

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:44 PM
We go down quietly in the 8th , then big dunn comes up in the bottom of the 9th and hits the game winning homerun.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Julio Franco is still in the league????

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Julio Franco strikes out swinging.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Thanks. Just wanna give it my best shot, and Good Lord willin' I'll get my callup one of these days.

Don't forget your roots down here. A lot of people get callups and abandon the Live gamethread.

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:46 PM
There are simply no words adequate to describe how stupid it is to PH hatte for EE.

None.

Managers get dumped on unfairly wayyyy to often, but if we lose this one we'll know why.


If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Reyes is up and 0-3 on the day

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Arroyo tearing it up - KKKKKKK

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:46 PM
vs Left-handed Batter 4.91 7.1 9 5 4 0 0 3 7
vs Right-handed Batter 3.49 28.1 26 12 11 1 0 4 19

Bradford's splits. Not as severe (if you disregard ERA) as I recall from past years, but he is still, historically, MURDER on righties.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Jose Reyes flies out to right fielder Chris Denorfia.

Johnny Footstool
07-20-2006, 03:47 PM
Narron is channelling Bob Boone today -- make one stupid mistake, then try to cover it up with many more stupid mistakes.

Letting Arroyo hit was stupid. Sacrificing an out to move Freel to third was very stupid. Pinch-hitting for Encarnacion was mind-boggling.

jfar23
07-20-2006, 03:47 PM
Is it possible to suspend the manager for making bad moves. That was one of the dumbest moves I've seen a manager make. :bang: :bang:

bha
07-20-2006, 03:48 PM
Jerry Narron is an idiot...That is all!

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:48 PM
Narron is channelling Bob Boone today -- make one stupid mistake, then try to cover it up with many more stupid mistakes.

Letting Arroyo hit was stupid. Sacrificing an out to move Freel to third was very stupid. Pinch-hitting for Encarnacion was mind-boggling.


You cant have it both ways, you either want him to play the percentages or you dont. You cant pick and choose by when the moves work or not what should have been done.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:48 PM
*UPDATE ON*
BA
107 Pitches
77 Strikes
30 Balls

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
Endy Chavez singles on a soft line drive to left fielder Adam Dunn.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

Easy south, just a difference of opinion.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
Man, did I not want to have to face anyone past Endy Chavez this inning....

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
Strikeout! Pleeease keep Arroyo in.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
You cant have it both ways, you either want him to play the percentages or you dont. You cant pick and choose by when the moves work or not what should have been done.
Hindsight is always 20/20.

I was in the process of posting that I liked the move when he struck out. I still hit "submit."

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
Beltran

Pitch 1 - Ball
Pitch 2 - Called Strike
Pitch 3 - Called Strike
Pitch 4 - Swinging Strike

Carlos Beltran strikes out swinging.

MartyFan
07-20-2006, 03:49 PM
Narron is channelling Bob Boone today -- make one stupid mistake, then try to cover it up with many more stupid mistakes.

Letting Arroyo hit was stupid. Sacrificing an out to move Freel to third was very stupid. Pinch-hitting for Encarnacion was mind-boggling.

I agree...I NEVER...EVER....spend a lot of time second guessing a manager...but I was out of my chair when I saw he lifted EE for Hatte...then to let BA bat?!?!?!? WOW!!:thumbdown

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:50 PM
KKKKKKKK
Nice day for arroyo, hes done for sure. 111 pitches, I'd say hes done for sure.

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 03:50 PM
narron made a great move. bases juiced with one down and our best contact hitter at the plate (hatte) against a pitcher that is pretty tough on righties... you play the percentages. unfornuate for the reds but arroyo just ended the 8th with a K

Stamford
07-20-2006, 03:50 PM
Arroyo says "no problem"...K's Beltran.

What a performance today from Arroyo. You HAVE to win when you get a starting performance like that. We aren't good enough to make the playoffs without winning these types of games.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
*UPDATE ON*
Arroyo
111
80 Strikes
31 Balls

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
narron made a great move. bases juiced with one down and our best contact hitter at the plate (hatte) against a pitcher that is pretty tough on righties... you play the percentages. unfornuate for the reds but arroyo just ended the 8th with a K

Good point thatcoolguy 22.

goreds2
07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
There is only one manager that I knew of that had the guts to place almost ALL left-handed hitters in a lineup against Glavine. Ray Knight did it in 96 or 97 and we BEAT Glavine at HOME. (Glavine had a great record at Riverfront) He is one of the few LEFT-HANDED pitchers that is tougher on RIGHT HANDED Hitters. (I am glad Edwin is playing though :) )

Here is the report on Glavine:

"Particularly deadly against right-handed batters, his control frustrates hitters who know what to expect but rarely succeed in foiling the lethal left-hander. Glavine occasionally works in a sharp breaking curveball".

Two runs in six innings. I wish I would have ate my words regarding this lineup.

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
The only reasons why I would possibly condone what Narron did (pulling EE for Hatte) would be these two factors playing into the decision: Hatte LEADS the NL in putting the ball in play when he swings (which obviously didn't happen there), and the sub also set the defense into a much more comfortable set with RA at 3rd and Hatte at first.

I think it was a bad decision - as well as EE has been swinging the bat - but it's not an utterly unconventional move.

Now after considering all of that, let's see if it loses us the game :(

Gandalf the Red
07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
KKKKKKKK
Nice day for arroyo, hes done for sure. 111 pitches, I'd say hes done for sure.


Unless he goes for the breach of ettiquette and triple dog dares Narron to leave him in.

ThatPitchIsDunn
07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
Boy that last pitch to Beltran was pretty. You could see Larue motioning like he wanted it up and Bron-Bron put it in the perfect spot to miss Beltran's bat.

Man I love the way this guy pitches.

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:52 PM
narron made a great move. bases juiced with one down and our best contact hitter at the plate (hatte) against a pitcher that is pretty tough on righties... you play the percentages. unfornuate for the reds but arroyo just ended the 8th with a K


I second this motion....

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:52 PM
A little Cure Friday I'm in Love as the radio lead in music on 700 WLW. I see good things coming.

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 03:52 PM
I agree...I NEVER...EVER....spend a lot of time second guessing a manager...but I was out of my chair when I saw he lifted EE for Hatte...then to let BA bat?!?!?!? WOW!!:thumbdown


he needed to keep arroyo in the game. look what he just did in the 8th. another doughnut on the board.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:53 PM
Aaron Heilman is now pitching for the METS

0-3 4.36 ERA

Rotater Cuff
07-20-2006, 03:53 PM
If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.


Stupid is as stupid does. I agree with him, Encarnacion was on fire, hits righties as well as lefties. The proof is, hatteberg came in cold and struck out. I'm glad your abilities allow you to rise above us lowly message board guys.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:53 PM
Unless he goes for the breach of ettiquette and triple dog dares Narron to leave him in.

I just spit Mountain Dew all over my laptop, thanks.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Clayton is up and its a Full count 3-2

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
The only move i dont agree with from that inning, is i would have sent JR. up right after hatte to PH for Phillips, and moved Freel to second and seen if Jr. could win the game right there.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Basehit! ... Jeez we HAVE to score this inning.

Johnny Footstool
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

Why would you consider it the "right" move? Do you always pull RH hitters for LH hitters? Do you pull a guy who is having a great day simply because the pitcher is right handed? Do you always go with "The Vet"?

I like how you included the "regardless of the outcome" caveat, since the outcome was obviously a tragic failure.

Some people are just prisoners of old thinking, I guess.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Royce Clayton singles on a soft line drive to left fielder Cliff Floyd.

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Clayton on. I thought he wasnt suppossed to be able to hit???

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
clayton sigle to left center

WrongVerb
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Julio Franco is still in the league????

Yes, the same Julio Franco that was once traded(along with others) for Von Hayes.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:55 PM
LaRue is up ( Most likely going to bunt him over)
let PH for BA

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
anyone know exazctly what is going on with LaRue? he's hit the ball pretty hard today but for the seasoon he is barely over 200

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
JL missed the first bunt
Fouled the second bunt

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
Wow almost threw it away.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
Jason LaRue out on a sacrifice bunt, third baseman David Wright to second baseman Jose Valentin. Royce Clayton to 2nd.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
LaRue bunts over Clayton to second. Javy PH for Arroyo.

Gandalf the Red
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
Yes, the same Julio Franco that was once traded(along with others) for Von Hayes.

I think he was also in charge of Spain for awhile.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 03:57 PM
Javier Valentin replaces BA

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 03:57 PM
Is Griffey hurt or something? I'm curious as to why he's not hit yet!

dunner13
07-20-2006, 03:58 PM
So with one of the best players ever on the bench we decide to let our overweight 3rd catcher bat. Yet another good call by jerry narron.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:58 PM
I think he was also in charge of Spain for awhile.

I always saw you as a faschist Gandalf.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 03:58 PM
So with one of the best players ever on the bench we decide to let our overweight 3rd catcher bat. Yet another good call by jerry narron.
Yeah... this one I don't like.

redssouth
07-20-2006, 03:58 PM
Why would you consider it the "right" move? Do you always pull RH hitters for LH hitters? Do you pull a guy who is having a great day simply because the pitcher is right handed? Do you always go with "The Vet"?

I like how you included the "regardless of the outcome" caveat, since the outcome was obviously a tragic failure.

Some people are just prisoners of old thinking, I guess.


Not always, and i will give you that EE has had a great day, but what you need there is contact. What is your best chance at a ball put in play? Hatte, or EE? It failed this time, and i dont think its old thinking, there are simple percentages to play, and that was a percentage play. Just my opinion though, a lot of posters hammer Narron for every move that doesnt work, and thats just the nature of the beast. All i was trying to say was you cant be upset that he doesnt make a move by the book and it fails, then when he goes by the book and it still fails, you cant play both sides based on outcome.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 03:59 PM
So with one of the best players ever on the bench we decide to let our overweight 3rd catcher bat. Yet another good call by jerry narron.

I found it curious too, but maybe there is something in the numbers?

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:00 PM
JV goes 3-2....pay off pitch coming up

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 04:00 PM
valentin does have a 1975 porn star mustache tho

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:00 PM
Javier Valentin grounds out, third baseman David Wright to first baseman Carlos Delgado.

MartyFan
07-20-2006, 04:01 PM
I get the percentages but I also know that EE had hit safely two times earlier and walked once today....I'd say you stay with the hot hand....

CySeymour
07-20-2006, 04:01 PM
I found it curious too, but maybe there is something in the numbers?

Maybe Narron felt if he sent Jr. up, they would just intentionally walk him.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:01 PM
Here's some news from Marc's blog that could effect the wild card race:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Atlanta has acquired Bob Wickman from Cleveland for a Class A catcher.

Not a bad pickup for the Braves, at what would appear to be minimal cost. Not that Wickman is anywhere near lights-out anymore, but considering the nonsense Atlanta was running out there to close games, he's got to be an upgrade.

-------

Personally I'm surprised, every indication was that Wickman wouldn't waive his no trade clause.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:01 PM
We lost ANOTHER scoring chance.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:01 PM
Ryan Freel grounds out, third baseman David Wright to first baseman Carlos Delgado.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Another inning .. and now we just gotta hope for the bullpen not to collapse knock on wood.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Freel swings at the first pitch he see's....

Z-Fly
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
JV would have had a better career in porn. IMO.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Yeah... BARISP is over-rated.

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
ahhh we can not score!

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Freel grounds out to 3rd to strand Clayton. 2-2 going into the 9th.

Everyday Eddie... Show us some magic.

dunner13
07-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Up to dunn now. Warn all boats in the river that in the bottom of the inning a baseball hit by adam dunn will be coming there way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Here's some news from Marc's blog that could effect the wild card race:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Atlanta has acquired Bob Wickman from Cleveland for a Class A catcher.

Not a bad pickup for the Braves, at what would appear to be minimal cost. Not that Wickman is anywhere near lights-out anymore, but considering the nonsense Atlanta was running out there to close games, he's got to be an upgrade.

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Personally I'm surprised, every indication was that Wickman wouldn't waive his no trade clause.

Wickman is not much of a pickup. He is a gasoline can this year.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Delgado, Wright, Floyd

Odds that Eddie doesn't have a 1-2-3 inning?

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 04:04 PM
runners 2nd and 3rd one out in the 6th. base loaded 0 outs in the 7th. clayton on 2nd with one out in the 8th. In all 3 innings after we got some runners in scoring posistion we could not even lift a ball into the outfield! Its MADDENING!

dunner13
07-20-2006, 04:04 PM
Wickman is not much of a pickup. He is a gasoline can this year.

So was guardardo.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:04 PM
Anyone else get the feeling Arroyo is going to finish the year still on 9 wins?

ThatPitchIsDunn
07-20-2006, 04:04 PM
Arroyo's gone 15 innings in his last two starts and given up 2 ER.

His reward? 2 no-decisions.

Yuck.

I love the Reds to no end, but good heavens.

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 04:04 PM
I'll never understand the rationale players use in situations like the one that we saw Freel just in. New pitcher, important situation, why swing at the first pitch? Oh well.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:05 PM
Carlos Delgado flies out to center fielder Ryan Freel.

OUReds
07-20-2006, 04:05 PM
If you think that was a stupid move... I am glad you are regulated to message board baseball guy, than actually running a team. Narron played the percentages, made the right call, if Glavine stayed in, EE hits, a TOUGH righty comes up, you go with the Vet. He made the right call regardless of the outcome. People on this board are way to emotional to identify the right moves when they see them.

I understand the percentages.

I understand that EE has reached base 11 out of his last 13 ABs, and has a very good .878 OPS vs right handers.

Hatte's numbers vs righies are better, but he's coming off the bench cold to face a "tough righty" for a guy that has been tearing the cover off the ball. Since he failed, you also have now replaced EE with RA, an offensive downgrade in a tie ballgame.

I am hardly overly emotional, and I very much disagree that it was the right move. If Mr. Hat has come through, it would STILL have been the wrong move.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:06 PM
David Wright doubles (24) on a line drive to left fielder Adam Dunn.

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 04:06 PM
Arroyo's gone 15 innings in his last two starts and given up 2 ER.

His reward? 2 no-decisions.

Yuck.

I love the Reds to no end, but good heavens.
Well if we can win this game, his reward will be two wins for the TEAM. I wonder if he's not completely selfish and cares about the bigger picture? Nah....

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:07 PM
So was guardardo.

You had to remind me.

MartyFan
07-20-2006, 04:08 PM
Well if we can win this game, his reward will be two wins for the TEAM. I wonder if he's not completely shelfish and cares about the bigger picture? Nah....

I'm alergic to shellfish

redssouth
07-20-2006, 04:08 PM
I understand the percentages.

I understand that EE has reached base 11 out of his last 13 ABs, and has a very good .878 OPS vs right handers.

Hatte's numbers vs righies are better, but he's coming off the bench cold to face a "tough righty" for a guy that has been tearing the cover off the ball. Since he failed, you also have now replaced EE with RA, an offensive downgrade in a tie ballgame.

I am hardly overly emotional, and I very much disagree that it was the right move. If Mr. Hat has come through, it would STILL have been the wrong move.

Very well, and i understand your points.. we will agree to disagree, my major contention was the absoluteness of you and others saying Narron was/is an idiot, etc.. I think it was an overreaction to a move that was not at all cut and dry. Lets just hope it all works out in the end, and that EE can carry some confidence from today to tomorrow.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Pitch 1 - Foul
Pitch 2 - Ball
Pitch 3 - Foul
Pitch 4 - Ball
Pitch 5 - Swinging Strike

Cliff Floyd strikes out swinging.

texasdave
07-20-2006, 04:09 PM
i have no problem with playing 'small ball' in certain situations other than the simple fact that the 2006 edition of reds doesnt seem to play 'small ball' very well.

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 04:09 PM
I'm alergic to shellfish
;)

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:10 PM
Good pitch there Everyday Eddie, let's get the last out now. He did. End it Dunn.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:10 PM
Jose Valentin grounds out, shortstop Royce Clayton to first baseman Scott Hatteberg.

thatcoolguy_22
07-20-2006, 04:10 PM
bottom 9th 2-2

i love our new bullpen. i miss our old offense

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:11 PM
i have no problem with playing 'small ball' in certain situations other than the simple fact that the 2006 edition of reds doesnt seem to play 'small ball' very well.

Agreed.

kevinc12345
07-20-2006, 04:12 PM
bottom 9th 2-2

i love our new bullpen. i miss our old offense
Old meaning last night? :confused:

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:12 PM
*UPDATE*
BATTING
2B: Freel 2 (20, Glavine, Glavine), Encarnacion (20, Glavine).
TB: Freel 5; Aurilia; Encarnacion 3; Phillips; Clayton 2; LaRue.
RBI: Freel 2 (17).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: LaRue; Dunn; Arroyo 2; Phillips 2; Freel.
S: Arroyo; Denorfia; LaRue.
Team LOB: 11.

BASERUNNING
CS: Freel (6, 2nd base by Glavine/Castro).

REDSEER
07-20-2006, 04:12 PM
Feliciano in to pitch for the Mets

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:12 PM
Pedro Feliciano in to pitch

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:19 PM
Old meaning last night? :confused:

Halcyon days my friend. ;)

OUReds
07-20-2006, 04:20 PM
Very well, and i understand your points.. we will agree to disagree, my major contention was the absoluteness of you and others saying Narron was/is an idiot, etc.. I think it was an overreaction to a move that was not at all cut and dry. Lets just hope it all works out in the end, and that EE can carry some confidence from today to tomorrow.


For the record, I do not think Narron is an idiot. I think he has good intangibles and has a good rapport with the players.

The way he has handled EE, not just tonight but overall? Stupid.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:20 PM
Now that we're up and running again, Denorfia walked, Dunn struck out. Marty was steaming mad that Narron didn't have Dunn bunt.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:21 PM
Deno walks
Dunn K's

redssouth
07-20-2006, 04:21 PM
I would agree with you on the handling of EE up to this point. He needs to play. But i still think i would PH Hatte with the game on the line.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:22 PM
Now that we're up and running again, Denorfia walked, Dunn struck out. Marty was steaming mad that Narron didn't have Dunn bunt.

Panic set in at the flynn78 mansion.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:22 PM
Marty saying Deno got squeezed on the CS. Two down.

Tom Servo
07-20-2006, 04:23 PM
safe...

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Denorfia gets thrown out stealing. Ouch.

Gandalf the Red
07-20-2006, 04:24 PM
Denorfia gets thrown out stealing. Ouch.

Isn't catching God stealing breaking one of the Ten Commandments?

Tom Servo
07-20-2006, 04:26 PM
He was safe, Keith Hernandez agreed.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:26 PM
Aurilia draws the walk, Hatteberg up.

redssouth
07-20-2006, 04:26 PM
2 sacrifice bunts
2 caught stealing
2 bunt attempts for hits

all resulting in outs. That is a lot of outs to give away between the dirt... and not get any runs out of them. Yikes.

redssouth
07-20-2006, 04:28 PM
If he hit one in the gap.. could RA score?

big boy
07-20-2006, 04:29 PM
I wonder what EE woulda done in that situation.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:30 PM
A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

Rotater Cuff
07-20-2006, 04:30 PM
magic is up!

REDSEER
07-20-2006, 04:31 PM
Here comes Majewski.....a shut down inning would be great here.....

Tom Servo
07-20-2006, 04:31 PM
:bang:

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 04:33 PM
Could we have everyone in our bullpen record scoreless innings in two nights? Has everyone pitched yesterday and today, now that Majeski is in?

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:33 PM
i have no problem with playing 'small ball' in certain situations other than the simple fact that the 2006 edition of reds doesnt seem to play 'small ball' very well.

Agreed.

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 04:33 PM
A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.
What page is that on?

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:33 PM
A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

I missed it. Anything entertaining or just same old same old?

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 04:33 PM
Omg .. Wtf???

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:34 PM
Ramon Castro grounded out to second by the way. Xavier Nady is PH for the pitcher as we speak.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:34 PM
It was on the last couple when I was there. Four or five up now prob.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:34 PM
<<Xavier Nady doubles (12) on a pop up to second baseman Brandon Phillips.>>

What the heck!?!?

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:35 PM
Aw crap. Denorfia and Phillips got in each other's way and the ball falls in between. Double for Nady.

Gandalf the Red
07-20-2006, 04:35 PM
A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

I always thought it was because there wasn't enough room at the grown-ups table ;)

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:36 PM
I missed it. Anything entertaining or just same old same old?

Same old. Glad to have you here instead of there Mr. Serafini.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Majewski catches Reyes looking for out #2.

minus5
07-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Aw crap. Denorfia and Phillips got in each other's way and the ball falls in between. Double for Nady.
This seems to be Majewski's luck so far.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:37 PM
If Endy Chavez beats us I may blow a gasket.

howyoufreelin
07-20-2006, 04:37 PM
majewski is the unluckiest pitcher i have ever seen.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:38 PM
Chavez doubled down the line in left. 3-2 Mets.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 04:38 PM
Here comes a run. JEEZ. All this because Phillips or Deno couldn't call one another off. Seriously, the way the Reds lose games, I can't stand it. It always has to be some kind of stupid crap like this.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:38 PM
Darn it. We have all those chances and they score on Majic that way. :bang:

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:38 PM
Mercker coming in to face Beltran.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Same old. Glad to have you here instead of there Mr. Serafini.

Aw, shucks. :redface: I actually like the Live game threads better, they're easier to work with size-wise and you get to see some different faces.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:41 PM
This team...this gosh-darn team. I don't know how I have remained a Reds fan all my life. They bring me so much pain.

keeganbrick
07-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Majewski burned from another bloop hit. Great another run scored.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:42 PM
Another double to left, 4-2 Mets. This is getting depressing.

ThatPitchIsDunn
07-20-2006, 04:42 PM
majewski is the unluckiest pitcher i have ever seen.

Seriously. It seems like no one hits the ball hard off him, but these bloop or foul line hugging doubles.

I know this may warrant my banning from RZ, but Deno has to know the situation.

And as I type this, Mercker can't get the first batter he faces out. Bitterness rising here. It ain't over yet, but it's frustrating nevertheless.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:42 PM
Beltran doubles...game over...I can't watch any more or I am going to be sick.

major harris
07-20-2006, 04:43 PM
I just got here...how come Dunn didn't sac Denorfia over to 2nd in the Bot of 9th?

thanks!

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:43 PM
Carlos Beltran doubles (22) on a line drive to left fielder Adam Dunn. Endy Chavez scores.

4-2 favor mets

ChatterRed
07-20-2006, 04:43 PM
We suck today.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:43 PM
Beltran doubles...game over...I can't watch any more or I am going to be sick.

I've thought that before, but this team has a knack for late comebacks. This one isn't over.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 04:44 PM
And here comes another run. Way to go guys. This is why we're not going to make the playoffs. You waste golden starts by Arroyo. You can't get a freaking SACRIFICE with chances in TWO innings to do so. You can't catch a SIMPLE popup. Not only do you get an L on a day your ace is pitching you should have won, now you have to win with a guy like Mays or Milton to avoid a losing streak.

Maybe you shut me up and make up for your mess ups and score three runs here, but unlikely.

major harris
07-20-2006, 04:44 PM
I just got here...how come Dunn didn't sac Denorfia over to 2nd in the Bot of 9th?

thanks!


Help!

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:45 PM
Beltran doubles...game over...I can't watch any more or I am going to be sick.

This team has a lot of heart. Don't lose faith yet. These games happen. It was tough for Mets fans yesterday. We could come back.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:45 PM
I just got here...how come Dunn didn't sac Denorfia over to 2nd in the Bot of 9th?

thanks!

Welcome to the game thread, Marty! ;) Seriously though, he's just not a good bunter, and he's dangerous enough with the bat you may as well let him take a hack at it.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:46 PM
We seriously could have won all three games against the (allegedly) best team in the NL (I personally think their starting pitching is a mirage...particularly with Pedro's brittle body)....and we wind up with 1 of 3. And to think I felt so good staying up to watch that whole game last night. Ugh.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:46 PM
Welcome to the game thread, Marty! ;) Seriously though, he's just not a good bunter, and he's dangerous enough with the bat you may as well let him take a hack at it.

Agreed Danny. Keep the optimism up as well.

ChatterRed
07-20-2006, 04:47 PM
Nice trade for Majewski. He's really been a plus. (sarcasm)

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:47 PM
Delgado grounded to 2nd to end the inning. Wagner now on to face Phillips, Clayton and LaRue.

Mid 10th

NYM 4 10 0
CIN 2 10 0

b_combs23
07-20-2006, 04:47 PM
i agree with goredsgo, he summed up the team and situation, no sarcasm, i totally agree

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:48 PM
Come on boys. Do not go quietly.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:48 PM
Wagner throwing strikes...I was hoping for a walk and a blast type inning. [see, I am a hopeless optimist afterall].

keeganbrick
07-20-2006, 04:48 PM
Nice trade for Majewski. He's really been a plus. (sarcasm)
Yea, the victim of bloop base hits.

texasdave
07-20-2006, 04:48 PM
Here comes a run. JEEZ. All this because Phillips or Deno couldn't call one another off. Seriously, the way the Reds lose games, I can't stand it. It always has to be some kind of stupid crap like this.

the reds are taking the "fun" out of fundamentals. but never fear the team of destiny is about to strike back with 3 runs in the home half of the 10th.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:48 PM
Phillips grounds out short, 1 out.

major harris
07-20-2006, 04:49 PM
Welcome to the game thread, Marty! ;) Seriously though, he's just not a good bunter, and he's dangerous enough with the bat you may as well let him take a hack at it.


I don't care if it is me, Dunn, Bench or Babe F'ing Ruth.....the sac should have been tried.

Narron sometimes just mystifies me...not Bob Boone mystify yet, though. :)

ChatterRed
07-20-2006, 04:49 PM
Wagner is pitching?

Game over.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:49 PM
3-0 to CLayton...this is what I was looking for....

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:50 PM
i agree with goredsgo, he summed up the team and situation, no sarcasm, i totally agree

It will be tough sometimes especially with our offense for pitching trade. This is the life we chose.;) We need to keep our heads.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:50 PM
BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D

major harris
07-20-2006, 04:51 PM
BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D


nope

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Clayton goes up 3-0, then comes back to strike out. 2 gone.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:51 PM
BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D

I didn't think so.

ChaseReds
07-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Clayton struck out

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:51 PM
BTW, is it possible to walk Royce Clayton?:D

Apparently not.

GOREDSGO32
07-20-2006, 04:52 PM
Game over. We lose on a popup or a fly out. Pick one. We couldn't get a flyout to get a run in, in two innings ... or we couldn't catch a pop up. Seriously, if we fall out of the WC race, I don't even care. Thats what this team deserves. You play like that you deserve to lose.

flynn78
07-20-2006, 04:52 PM
Tough one today guys, but great gamethread. Let's bash the Brew Crew this weekend and find our smiles again.

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:52 PM
LaRue goes down swining.

Final (10)

NYM 4 10 0
CIN 2 10 0

Missed opportunities the theme of the day.

Stamford
07-20-2006, 04:54 PM
Maybe I should watch from afar...I am 0-1 when participating.

Seriously though, as painful as that was, good to be part of the RZ crew. Until next time..........

dabvu2498
07-20-2006, 04:54 PM
Thanks Danny... nice job on the pbp

OUReds
07-20-2006, 04:58 PM
Tough one today. Poor execution and poor managing against the best team in the NL will burn you more often then not. Need a good showing against the brew Crew

Danny Serafini
07-20-2006, 04:58 PM
Fun game guys, even though it didn't go the way we wanted.

W: Feliciano (4-2)
L: Majewski (3-3)
S: Wagner (19)
HR: Floyd (10), Delgado (23)

Today's top Reds:

Arroyo 8IP 6H 2R 0BB 8K
Freel 3-5, 2 doubles, 2RBI
Encarnacion 2-2, walk
Clayton 2-5, R

Tom Servo
07-20-2006, 04:59 PM
This one hurt

Johnny Footstool
07-20-2006, 05:01 PM
A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

It was tired the day it was instituted. I've said so from the start.

markymark69
07-20-2006, 05:04 PM
This one hurt

It did, but in all honesty, the Reds did not deserve to win this game. For all those who think this would not have happened with Kearns and Lopez. This type of offense (or lack thereof) happened all the time with Kearns and Lopez.

REDREAD
07-20-2006, 05:53 PM
Here's some news from Marc's blog that could effect the wild card race:

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Atlanta has acquired Bob Wickman from Cleveland for a Class A catcher.
.

The guys we got were better of course, but it's interesting to see how another team reacts to the tight market for relievers.
Wickman is pretty scary, don't get me wrong, but not a bad gamble for Atl.

REDREAD
07-20-2006, 05:56 PM
A small slap fight occurred up in the ORG gamethread and they said this is why we made two gamethreads. This board vs. board thing is tired.

:beerme: This is the TRUE gamethread :)