Narron temporarily transforms to Bob Boone

[major harris]

Bottom of 9, no outs. Denorfio on 1st and Dunn batting. I don't care if it is Dunn, Bench or Babe Ruth....the batter has to try to sac the baserunner to scoring position. I am not interested in hearing that Dunn is not a good bunter. He isn't a good hitter for average either.

Narron has to give us a chance in this position. No excuses.

[wojo1025]

I'm sorry, I'm still trying to figure out why he took out EE with the bases loaded and 1 out. EE was 2-2 so far and has been hitting the ball on the screws when he actually gets a chance to play. I am a fan of Hatte, but I just do not understand the move there.

[Redsnake]

I like the EE move. The guys is 2 for 2 and gets yanked for pitch hitter that strikes out. Bases loaded no outs. Freakin classic!!

[major harris]

I'm sorry, I'm still trying to figure out why he took out EE with the bases loaded and 1 out. EE was 2-2 so far and has been hitting the ball on the screws when he actually gets a chance to play. I am a fan of Hatte, but I just do not understand the move there.


I was going to vent on that, too....but, the bottom of the ninth fiasco was just such a basic mistake.

[Redsnake]

What about the second chance to score some runs and you need a sac. fly and the pitch hitter you choose.....Valentin??? WHERE IS GRIFFEY!?!?!?!

[Redsnake]

This has to be the worst game Narron has managed! Castilleni has to be pissed or at least choking Tom Hanks!!

[Johnny Footstool]

Bunting Freel to third with none out and your #2 hitter at the plate qualifies as Boone-esque.

[Ltlabner]

I like the EE move. The guys is 2 for 2 and gets yanked for pitch hitter that strikes out. Bases loaded no outs. Freakin classic!!

Complain about the EE move all you want. It's peanuts.

Admiditly hindsight is easer, but the decision to not PH for Arroyo in the 6th, with the bases loaded was a far more significant error. It's not as fun to argue over because it doesn't involve one of the anointed saviors of baseball, but on a real baseball level it had much bigger implications.

We just got a new bullpen, BA has been rode hard this year and could use some rest and getting some runs would have been nice. Thats the decision that I think has a bigger impact on the game.

[GOREDSGO32]

Who cares? All they got was an Aurilia walk out of that inning regardless. How are we going to bash Narron when the players couldn't get a FLY OUT in two innings to drive in a lousy run? Or catch a pop fly that would have continued a game? A routine flyball for God's sake.

[major harris]

Who cares? All they got was an Aurilia walk out of that inning regardless. How are we going to bash Narron when the players couldn't get a FLY OUT in two innings to drive in a lousy run? Or catch a pop fly that would have continued a game? A routine flyball for God's sake.


Aurillia's walk happened after Denorfia was caught stealing after he wasn't sacrificed over. Some people just don't get it. :bang:

[buckshotrod]

admiditly hindsight is easer, but the decision to not PH for Arroyo in the 6th, with the bases loaded was a far more significant error.

I think it was the 7th and I could not believe he didn't have anyone warming up when guys were getting on base and a chance the pitcher would bat. I also agree this had to be one of the worst managed games I have ever seen (heard)...unbelievable. It surpassed the blunder he made on Tues night not removing Milton.

[smith288]

Complain about the EE move all you want. It's peanuts.

Admiditly hindsight is easer, but the decision to not PH for Arroyo in the 6th, with the bases loaded was a far more significant error. It's not as fun to argue over because it doesn't involve one of the anointed saviors of baseball, but on a real baseball level it had much bigger implications.

We just got a new bullpen, BA has been rode hard this year and could use some rest and getting some runs would have been nice. Thats the decision that I think has a bigger impact on the game.
Its not highsight when everyone was banging their heads on the walls AS it happened.

And leaving Bronson is was correct....he kept us in the game (as he is Arroyo, not Milton) where as Majewski and Mercker did nothing of the sort... Bronson wasnt struggling and he was really looking good. Thats the major difference here.

[Rob Dicken]

Worrying about bunting was the least to worry about in this game. We had 10 hits, and only scored 2 runs.

Ryan Freel scored our runs this game...RYAN FREEL!!! No one else produced. Bunt or no bunt, you have to drive in runs.

And definitely, having Arroyo bunt, with the bases loaded....with 2 outs...that has got to be the biggest bonehead move of the century.

[Guacarock]

Why the qualifier "temporarily" in the thread title? Narron has exhibited Boone-like tendencies all summer, unfortunately with increasing frequency since he received a two-year contract extension. I'm glad he's feeling more secure. Can't say the same myself.

[smith288]

Worrying about bunting was the least to worry about in this game. We had 10 hits, and only scored 2 runs.

Ryan Freel scored our runs this game...RYAN FREEL!!! No one else produced. Bunt or no bunt, you have to drive in runs.

And definitely, having Arroyo bunt, with the bases loaded....with 2 outs...that has got to be the biggest bonehead move of the century.
Like you could really know that Napoleon...

[Danny Serafini]

Honestly, I don't have a real problem with how Narron managed this game. Arroyo was hot and shutting the Mets down, and the bullpen got burned up throwing seven innings last night, you have to leave him in there. It's not unreasonable to expect the offense to generate one more run somewhere else the rest of the game.

Pulling Encarnacion was a pure "by the book" percentages thing, they were facing a pitcher who was much harder on righties than lefties. Not saying I'd have definately made the same move, but I understand the reasoning.

And I never want Dunn bunting. I'd rather take my chances with him swinging away and working towards his strengths than have him do something he's not very good at.

The only thing that bugs me is bringing in several pinch hitters and not using Griffey. What was the deal with that?

[oneupper]

Bunting Freel to third with none out and your #2 hitter at the plate qualifies as Boone-esque.

Hey, I already gave you rep points!

[HotCorner]

I'm sorry, I'm still trying to figure out why he took out EE with the bases loaded and 1 out. EE was 2-2 so far and has been hitting the ball on the screws when he actually gets a chance to play. I am a fan of Hatte, but I just do not understand the move there.

This move burns me up. The numbers back keeping EE in the game.

Encarnacion's Splits:
v. R's: .299 .374 .504 .878
RISP: .333 .419 .587 1.006
Bases Loaded: .545 .583 1.091 1.674

Plus he was 8-11 and his last hit just missed going out. The guy is on fire!

[wojo1025]

Pulling Encarnacion was a pure "by the book" percentages thing, they were facing a pitcher who was much harder on righties than lefties. Not saying I'd have definately made the same move, but I understand the reasoning


So what you're saying is if they brought in a lefty to face Dunn/Griff it would be ok to pinch hit Aurilla in that spot? EE has been hitting the ball on the screws, you give the kid a chance, period

[Johnny Footstool]

Pulling Encarnacion was a pure "by the book" percentages thing, they were facing a pitcher who was much harder on righties than lefties. Not saying I'd have definately made the same move, but I understand the reasoning


So what you're saying is if they brought in a lefty to face Dunn/Griff it would be ok to pinch hit Aurilla in that spot? EE has been hitting the ball on the screws, you give the kid a chance, period

I agree completely.

Platoons and matchups are for players who have trouble hitting same-handed pitchers. Guys like Encarnacion who have no trouble with righties should never be pulled. Castro, yes. Clayton, yes. Encarnacion, no way.

[jimbo]

So what you're saying is if they brought in a lefty to face Dunn/Griff it would be ok to pinch hit Aurilla in that spot? EE has been hitting the ball on the screws, you give the kid a chance, period


You can't equate those two situations. Dunn and Griffey are proven veterans who have been run producers for multiple seasons. EE is still a 23 year old player who doesn't have the track record yet.

[HotCorner]

Bradford had yielded 26 hits in 28.1 innings against righties this season going into today's game.

[wojo1025]

"EE is still a 23 year old player who doesn't have the track record yet."

Who early in the year was leading the league in RBI's. Who before he got hurt was right at the top of the lead league in RBI's. Who, since he's been back, has been driving in runs more often than not when presented with the opportunity to play. You have to leave that kid in there to get that hit. What does this do for his psyche? Next time he comes up in a big spot against a big team, he's going to be looking over his shoulder to see if the manager wants him to hit. When you had a stud prospect like this, you give him the chance, you don't remove him with a chance to be the hero. This was just wrong on so many different levels. I am a HUGE supporter of this team, but some of the managers plays this season has frustrated me beyond belief

[HotCorner]

"EE is still a 23 year old player who doesn't have the track record yet."

Who early in the year was leading the league in RBI's. Who before he got hurt was right at the top of the lead league in RBI's. Who, since he's been back, has been driving in runs more often than not when presented with the opportunity to play. You have to leave that kid in there to get that hit. What does this do for his psyche? Next time he comes up in a big spot against a big team, he's going to be looking over his shoulder to see if the manager wants him to hit. When you had a stud prospect like this, you give him the chance, you don't remove him with a chance to be the hero. This was just wrong on so many different levels. I am a HUGE supporter of this team, but some of the managers plays this season has frustrated me beyond belief

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