7/22/2006 Game Thread BREWERS @ REDS Line Ups

[George Foster]

Griffey pops a 3-0 pitch to third, 2 out

A hit's batsman, then 3-0...and you swing?

[TheBigLebowski]

BL, have you looked at Larue's numbers this month? You made reference to them as though they were bad.

No..the opposite, actually.

I brought them up to save everyone else the time of reminding me that laRue is hitting better in July.

[Tornon]

Encarnacion hits a ground rule double to right

[Tornon]

Aurilia pinch hitting for Hatteberg

[Eric_Davis]

Let's go Junior!

July is not a normal time for him to slump like this. But he's been absolutely atrocious!

[WebScorpion]

Hopefully, they'll send in Turnbow so we can get some insurance runs. :evil:

[TheBigLebowski]

That is such a stupid rule....Dunn would have scored easily if that ball stays in the park.

[Tornon]

Brewers going to the bullpen

[Gallen5862]

EE has been hot lately.

[GAC]

Let's see, so far this year there's been a lot (and I mean a lot) of people on this site who wanted both Ryan Freel and Jason Larue DFA'ed. That's funny!

I never read where anyone wanted Freel DFA'd?

[Falls City Beer]

If Griffey's slump were a movie, they'd have to cut footage to earn an R rating.

[captainmorgan07]

ra pinch hitting for hatte aurila trieng to extend the hit streak

[cumberlandreds]

Aurilia pinch hitting for Hatteberg

Why? Three hits not good enough for Narron?

[Matt700wlw]

Hatteberg taken down for Rich

[Tommyjohn25]

Aurilia pinch hitting for Hatteberg


Seriously?

[toledodan]

Let's see, so far this year there's been a lot (and I mean a lot) of people on this site who wanted both Ryan Freel and Jason Larue DFA'ed. That's funny!



who wanted to DFA freel? even if he's not an everyday player he is too valuable to get rid of. i couldn't imagine a team that wouldn't want him.

[TheBigLebowski]

Alright, Richie...ducks on the pond...little bingo...

[George Foster]

Let's go Junior!

July is not a normal time for him to slump like this. But he's been absolutely atrocious!

He refuses to try and work a walk.

[Tornon]

Jose Capellan in to pitch

[Eric_Davis]

And people wanted Freel thrown down a manhole for Phillips' sake. Unreal this board, I tell ya.


And RED SOX fan's and the media thought Manny was through, as late as Mid-April, and he's now at .310-.320 with 20+ dingers and 70+ RBI's.

Fans are fickle, and the Media loves to stir the controversies.

[Highlifeman21]

He refuses to try and work a walk.

Someone once told me walks were rally killers...

[Falls City Beer]

I never read where anyone wanted Freel DFA'd?

I don't remember those exact words, either, but all I EVER hear is that he shouldn't play everyday. I'm sorry, but you find a place in the lineup for a dynamo like Freel. He's not just a good player; he's a great player.

[WebScorpion]

Aurilia pinch hitting for Hatteberg

Oh come on...the Hat was on fire! Oh well, at least we'll get a professional at bat. :rolleyes:

[Tommyjohn25]

Seriously?


Nevermind, I now see on gameday that you were indeed serious. Wow, don't know about this one, hope it works out.

[Eric_Davis]

The Padres acquiring Williamson could lead them to trade another reliever for a 3rd baseman.

The rumor is Lowell from Boston.


Wayne....get on the phone

Verry, Verry, astute!!!

[VR]

another 4 pitch AB

5 LOB tonight

prodigious slump

it's like an absessed root canal that had an aspirin on it last night, only to rear itself again today.

[Mario-Rijo]

I would have rather had Hatteberg vs. Shouse than Aurilia vs. Capellan!

:confused:

[RedFanAlways1966]

The two REDS players w/ a team leading 2 multi-HR games this year?

Not who you'd think... David Ross & Ryan Freel.

Lopez, Dunn, Griffey, Phillips & Kearns each had a single multi-HR game.

[MWM]

People wanted FReel DFA'ed in the month of May when he put up a .649 OPS, including a .282 OBP. Plenty were convinced pitchers had figured him out, or he couldn't play every day, etc....

[Marc D]

Nevermind, I now see on gameday that you were indeed serious. Wow, don't know about this one, hope it works out.

1st guessing, this was not good.

Immediatly takes out the Lefty who was struggeling to bring in a rightie vs RA.

[VR]

Verry, Verry, astute!!!

The Aurilia experiment went poorly last time in SD, it ain't gonna happen again.

[Tornon]

Aurilia flies to right, 8-7 Reds after 8

[Gallen5862]

How did Arurilias at bat go?

[captainmorgan07]

man there goes the streak

[redsrule2500]

Dangit

[George Foster]

Seriously?


Narron screws up A's 14 game hitting streak as well.:bang:

[Red in Chicago]

good thing rich came in to pinch hit...:thumbdown

[Tommyjohn25]

How did Arurilias at bat go?


Not so good, he flied out.

[TheBigLebowski]

Well, at least no Bill Hall next inning....unless something goes very wrong.

[Eric_Davis]

The Aurilia experiment went poorly last time in SD, it ain't gonna happen again.

I might be reading you wrong.

Are you suggesting that Lowell right now is similar to Aurilia when SD aquired him?

[Gallen5862]

It's time for Every Day Eddie to get the save.

[Tornon]

Guardado in

[Marc D]

Narron screws up A's 14 game hitting streak as well.:bang:

Narron and Mays are flat out hard to overcome.

[Tommyjohn25]

Well, at least no Bill Hall next inning....unless something goes very wrong.


Shhhhh....I think from now on I'm going to refer to Bill Hall as "The One I Shall Not Speak Of."

[cincyinco]

Denorfia in for Dunn... I like it.

[oneupper]

Guardado in

Why not leave Coffey? Three righties...

[George Foster]

it's like an absessed root canal that had an aspirin on it last night, only to rear itself again today.

You need to see a dentist...trust me on this on:thumbup: If your arm was hurting would you tape an advil to it?:laugh:

[Marc D]

OK, 1 run game and you take Dunn out for defense but leave Jr in CF?

No mas.

[GAC]

I don't remember those exact words, either, but all I EVER hear is that he shouldn't play everyday. I'm sorry, but you find a place in the lineup for a dynamo like Freel. He's not just a good player; he's a great player.

I have no problem with Freel being given a shot at everyday; but I disagree that he is a great player.

His stats over his career don't give credence to that one bit. He's 30 yrs old, and the most games he ever played in one season was 141 in '04 with the Reds.

[VR]

I might be reading you wrong.

Are you suggesting that Lowell right now is similar to Aurilia when SD aquired him?

Heavens no.
Aurilia was in SD in '04, stunk it up. Someone was suggesting Kriv get on horn with the Pads.

[toledodan]

Why not leave Coffey? Three righties...


if coffey could close eddie wouldn't be here.

[Tornon]

Clark lines a single to left

Denorfia is in left now

[Eric_Davis]

He's either way out of the strikezone or right down the middle according to mlb.com...

is this true?

If it is, someone is going to go yard.

[toledodan]

clark hit to left. not a good start.

[Falls City Beer]

I have no problem with Freel being given a shot at everyday; but I disagree that he is a great player.

His stats over his career don't give credence to that one bit. He's 30 yrs old, and the most games he ever played in one season was 141 in '04 with the Reds.

Okay, so he's been great since '04. :rolleyes:

Point being, he's been great as a Red, and appears to be only getting better.

[TheBigLebowski]

Clark lines a single to left

Denorfia is in left now

That's what he does. He goes where the ball is hit.

[dsmith421]

I have no problem with Freel being given a shot at everyday; but I disagree that he is a great player.

Sorry, anyone that can give you plus defense at five positions, an on-base percentage of near .400, kills the other team's pitchers by working the count, and can steal a ton of bases is what I call a great player.

Our offense is tons better with him involved. If it takes rotating him to keep him healthy and interested, let's do it.

[Tornon]

Weeks hits into a double play, 2 out

[toledodan]

He's either way out of the strikezone or right down the middle according to mlb.com...

is this true?

If it is, someone is going to go yard.


i wouldn't trust it.

[oneupper]

if coffey could close eddie wouldn't be here.
IIRC he converted his first 5 out 6 or something like that...

That position's a bit extreme. Just as "it has to be THE CLOSER" IMO is an extreme position.

You look at your options...your matchups.

[Matt700wlw]

That was nice!

[George Foster]

That steal attempt by Castro might come back to bite us.

[Marc D]

When this thing goes longer remeber who voluntarily removed Dunn and Hatte

[Eric_Davis]

Heavens no.
Aurilia was in SD in '04, stunk it up. Someone was suggesting Kriv get on horn with the Pads.

Oh, I said he was astute because I thought he was suggesting to get on the phone to the Pads and beat the Red Sox to the punch and grab Williamson....but I guess we don't have someone to offer as good as Lowell.

[TheBigLebowski]

Have I mentioned I hate playing MIL?

There was no doubt in my mind that this was not going to be a 3 up/3 down type of 9th.

[toledodan]

double play 2 outs!

[Tornon]

Cirillo flies the first pitch to Freel, Reds win 9-8

[Matt700wlw]

Yeah baby!!!

[captainmorgan07]

nice play by rich there that was tough hop

[MrCinatit]

This one belongs to the good guys...an epic battle it was

[TheBigLebowski]

Yes!!!

[Marc D]

Deep sigh of relief

[toledodan]

And This One Belongs To The Reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[captainmorgan07]

they can all stand and sing hey hey hey good bye to joe mays

[CrackerJack]

nice, Reds continue to hang in there, what a weird season

[oneupper]

Fast inning.

[Tommyjohn25]

Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!! :beerme:

This One Belongs To The Reds baby!! :thumbup: :beerme:

[toledodan]

they can all stand and sing hey hey hey good bye to joe mays



I SURE HOPE SO.

[Eric_Davis]

We Survived A Joe Mays Start!

[Falls City Beer]

Fast inning.

Fast Eddie.

[oneupper]

they can all stand and sing hey hey hey good bye to joe mays


First order of business. Krvisky..get on it.

[George Foster]

This means St. Louis will win tonight as well. It's been like this now for 2 1/2 weeks.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds finally can claim a series from the Brewers.

Bring your brooms tomorrow!!

[RBA]

Att: 41,915.

[PuffyPig]

That steal attempt by Castro might come back to bite us.

It wasn't a steal attempt. It was a hit and run, but the pitch was poor and Freel couldn't hit it.

[Falls City Beer]

This means St. Louis will win tonight as well. It's been like this now for 2 1/2 weeks.

Well, they are playing a team that is rather quickly going to the dogs in the LA Dodgers.

In the plus column, however, Jeff "I Am the Slime" Weaver goes for the Chickens.

[redsrule2500]

yay Reds win!!

[George Foster]

Fast Eddie has faced only 3 batters in 4 of 5 saves......:thumbup:

[Gallen5862]

"And This One Belongs To The Reds." Great job Coffey on the win. Great job by Every Day Eddie for his 5th save.

[George Foster]

It wasn't a steal attempt. It was a hit and run, but the pitch was poor and Freel couldn't hit it.

Did he swing? I have no video? It must have been a great throw if it was a poor pitch or Castro got a bad start.

[Eric_Davis]

This means St. Louis will win tonight as well. It's been like this now for 2 1/2 weeks.

But, if we can sweep the Brewers, we distance ourselves away from one more team like we did the Rockies.

[RBA]

This means St. Louis will win tonight as well. It's been like this now for 2 1/2 weeks.

WEAVER pitching tonight. :beerme: :laugh:

[captainmorgan07]

mercker on dl shackleford to be recalled tommorrow

[redsrule2500]

Reds win in front of a huge crowd, hasnt' happened often this season. Also, they beat the Brewers. That's huge.

[Matt700wlw]

WEAVER pitching tonight. :beerme: :laugh:

:roll:

[Eric_Davis]

Joe Mays and Estaban Yan aside, it's amazing how much production Krivsky has gotten out of his signings.

Huge kudos goes to the owner for immediately firing the other G.M.

[GAC]

Sorry, anyone that can give you plus defense at five positions, an on-base percentage of near .400, kills the other team's pitchers by working the count, and can steal a ton of bases is what I call a great player.

Our offense is tons better with him involved. If it takes rotating him to keep him healthy and interested, let's do it.

Don't disagree with that last statement one bit. That "rotation", and not playing everyday, IMO is what keeps him fresh and performing well.

But he has never proven himself as an everyday player when, at age 30, he has never played a full season. He played in 143 games in '04, and 103 last year. And both of those years were marred by injury.

The guy is scrappy. But I think that 'scrappiness" and style of play wears him out and does affect his consistency.

But hey! Give the guy a shot. No argument from me. ;)

[traderumor]

I love grabbing the lead in the bottom of the 8th and only needing 3 outs to get win. The visitors are deflated and the home team and crowd is pumped and the energy just seems to carry over so many times.

[George Foster]

mercker on dl shackleford to be recalled tommorrow

This hurts us. Mercker has pitched great lately, topping out at 93mph.

[Falls City Beer]

Don't disagree with that last statement one bit. That "rotation", and not playing everyday, IMO is what keeps him fresh and performing well.

But he has never proven himself as an everyday player when, at age 30, he has never played a full season. He played in 143 games in '04, and 103 last year. And both of those years were marred by injury.

The guy is scrappy. But I think that 'scrappiness" and style of play wears him out and does affect his consistency.

But hey! Give the guy a shot. No argument from me. ;)

Someone who plays in 143 games is basically an everyday player.

[Gallen5862]

What was Merckers injury?

[VR]

Fast Eddie has faced only 3 batters in 4 of 5 saves......:thumbup:

the first such string by a Reds reliever in modern history, or so it seems.

What happened to Mercker? He's been lights out lately, I wonder if he hurt himself mowing or something. Anyone think Shack will be surfing match.com while he's on the big club?

[Matt700wlw]

the first such string by a Reds reliever in modern history, or so it seems.

What happened to Mercker? He's been lights out lately, I wonder if he hurt himself mowing or something. Anyone think Shack will be surfing match.com while he's on the big club?

No...he's switched to Yahoo.com personals

[George Foster]

We need to close the deal tomorrow...no excuses....the brewers are on empty.:thumbup:

[GAC]

The Reds finally can claim a series from the Brewers.

Bring your brooms tomorrow!!

The Reds, series-wise vs the Brewers this year, are 3-2. ;)

[oneupper]

What was Merckers injury?

Age (I understand completeley).

[GAC]

Someone who plays in 143 games is basically an everyday player.

And he's done it ONCE in his entire career. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds, series-wise vs the Brewers this year, are 3-2. ;)

Really? It doesn't feel like it. :laugh:

[Falls City Beer]

Anyone think Shack will be surfing match.com while he's on the big club?

It'd be a step in the right direction for Shack to focus his energy less on his offense and more on his defense.

[George Foster]

Someone who plays in 143 games is basically an everyday player.

Then Griffey has not been a every day player since like 99 or 2000.:laugh:

[George Foster]

It'd be a step in the right direction for Shack to focus his energy less on his offense and more on his defense.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Falls City Beer]

And he's done it ONCE in his entire career. ;)

Freel doesn't make out the lineup cards, you know. Whether he's in the lineup depends on the whim of the manager.

[RedFanAlways1966]

What was Merckers injury?

Strained elbow, I think. Definitely the elbow.

[Heath]

WEAVER pitching tonight. :beerme: :laugh:

I'm going to see this. Its in Dodger Stadium - I think 6IP of 2 run 4 hit ball sounds about right.

California sun and smog does things to Jeff Weaver.

[KronoRed]

I'm going to see this. Its in Dodger Stadium - I think 6IP of 2 run 4 hit ball sounds about right.

California sun and smog does things to Jeff Weaver.
They didn't have smog in Anaheim?

[Strikes Out Looking]

I was out to dinner so I missed most of the game (heard the first and last inning on my xm), but I read the entire gamethread (because nothing that interesting is on tv-ok I am watching a 20 year old Miami Vice pilot).

I predicted a 12-9 victory, it turned out 8-7--our pitching was surprisingly better than I thought it would be!

Reading the gamethread, I had some thoughts:

1. I don't think we'll have Joe Mays to kick around anymore. Germano pitched yesterday, my money is on him getting his first start late next week.

2. I wouldn't be in such a hurry to trade Ross/LaRue. If the Reds are planning post-season this year, it'll be quite a luxury to have 3 catchers--and Valentin is a decent option as ph if there are 3 catchers. Of course, if Kriv gets an offer that knocks his socks off he should take it. Willis for LaRue anyone?

3. Don't rush Homer.

4. It's not the "real" starters fault that the bp had to go so many innings this week. Harang was due to the rain delay--he is not to blame for the 7 innings. Get rid of that game and it really hasn't been that bad of a run. They'll be ok.

5. I still have nightmares about Joe Hoerner--he was the worst and Sparky (a Hall of Fame Manager) continually ran him out there, so somehow that puts the month of Mays in perspective...

[Unassisted]

I'm a little surprised there are more people here calling for Joe Mays' head than that of David Weathers.

If a person only watched the Reds once a month, they'd never be able to understand this bullpen. Weathers was good enough to serve as the closer a couple of months ago. Now it's like he brings a gas can to the mound every time he pitches.

Suddenly, Standridge is "lights out" guy. A couple of months back people here were taking bets on when he'd be DFAed.

Can't imagine too many of us were lamenting the lack of AK in right field during the show that Ryan Freel put on at the plate and in the field tonight.

Dunn and Griffey have been doing some steady hitting in both of these games. Neither of them are on a torrid pace, but they are contributing to the offense in a solid fashion.

The Brewers TV crew is enjoyable to listen to. They've been as complementary of GABP and the Reds as any visiting announcers that I've heard so far this year.

[GAC]

Freel doesn't make out the lineup cards, you know. Whether he's in the lineup depends on the whim of the manager.

You're kidding? I didn't know that. ;)

I'm simply going on historical fact.

The more the guy plays - and his aggressive style of play which everyone loves (including me) - brings up very valid questions concerning his durablilty and consistency.

Are his good numbers coming from the fact that he is not playing everyday, and is rested?

His absences in the past were not due to the whims of the manager but injuries and stints on the DL. Hard to play a guy then.

2004....

On 5/2 at Hou left the game with neck spasms and missed 2 games and 4 starts. Missed the last 4 games of the first half with a deep bruise on the undersurface of his left kneecap...suffered the injury while running into the Miller Park outfield wall on 7/7. On 9/27 at Chi suffered a non-displaced fracture of his right thumb on a bunt atttempt and was relegated to pinch-running duties the last 6 games of the season...on 11/2 had arthroscopic surgery to repair the torn meniscus in his right knee (Dr. Tim Kremchek).

2005....

Missed 39 games during 2 stints on the 15-day disabled list, including 21 games from 6/25-7/19 with inflammation at the base of the second toe of his left foot (not including 5g missed prior to the disabling) and 18 games from 8/16-9/4 with torn cartilage in his right knee...on 8/18 had arthroscopic knee surgery to repair that torn cartilage (Dr. Timothy Kremchek)...returned to action as a pinch hitter on 9/5 and started at 2B on 9/6...in August and September also was bothered by a strained right quadriceps muscle.

But hey! As I stated earlier.... play the guy everyday. Give him his shot. I'll most certainly take him in there over a Clayton and Castro any day.

You'll find out overall, that he is an above average ballplayer; but not a great ballplayer.

[GAC]

I'm going to see this. Its in Dodger Stadium - I think 6IP of 2 run 4 hit ball sounds about right.

California sun and smog does things to Jeff Weaver.

You were close Heath. ;)

5.2 innings 6 hits 1 run (earned)

When it comes to the Cards-Dodgers this year - what was it that Pedro said about the Yankees?

Who's your Daddy! :lol:

[RBA]

Hey I thought the person who starts a winning game thread is suppose to get some props? :jump:

But it seems Team Casey got all the credit. :confused: :evil: :laugh: :beerme: