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flynn78
07-26-2006, 07:21 PM
Lineups: The End Of The Joe Mays Era Is Here! Let's get it on!

Reds (53 - 47)
2nd in NL Central
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Astros (47 - 53)
4th in NL Central
Season Stats | Roster | Tickets

Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, RF .299 7 20 22
2. R Clayton, SS .323 0 4 2
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .240 19 53 0
4. R Aurilia, 1B .279 12 37 1
5. A Dunn, LF .246 30 66 4
6. E Encarnacion, 3B .293 7 41 0
7. B Phillips, 2B .291 8 49 18
8. D Ross, C .311 12 31 0
9. B Arroyo, P .143 2 6 0

Name AB AVG HR RBI
1. R Freel, RF 2 1.000 0 0
2. R Clayton, SS 6 .667 0 0
3. K Griffey Jr., CF 3 .667 1 1
4. R Aurilia, 1B 6 .167 1 1
5. A Dunn, LF 4 .500 0 0
6. E Encarnacion, 3B 6 .333 0 3
7. B Phillips, 2B 7 .143 0 2
8. D Ross, C - - - -
9. B Arroyo, P - - - -

Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. C Biggio, 2B .261 9 36 1
2. C Burke, CF .287 7 29 7
3. L Berkman, 1B .317 26 88 1
4. A Huff, 3B .225 1 4 0
5. P Wilson, LF .276 9 52 5
6. L Scott, RF .368 0 1 0
7. B Ausmus, C .241 1 20 3
8. A Everett, SS .243 2 34 4
9. A Pettitte, P .147 0 3 0

Name AB AVG HR RBI
1. C Biggio, 2B 3 .333 0 0
2. C Burke, CF - - - -
3. L Berkman, 1B 3 .333 0 0
4. A Huff, 3B - - - -
5. P Wilson, LF 3 .333 0 0
6. L Scott, RF - - - -
7. B Ausmus, C 3 .333 0 0
8. A Everett, SS - - - -
9. A Pettitte, P - - - -


Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Arroyo 9 6 2.92 1.17 111

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
A Pettitte 8 10 5.08 1.58 108

DannyB
07-26-2006, 07:36 PM
I would like to see Dunn batting 3rd and Griffey and Rich just moved down a spot.
I cant believe Jerry hasnt tried it yet.

Redlegs23
07-26-2006, 07:52 PM
I'd like to see Hatteberg in there instead of Rich. I know Rich has been hitting well lately, but Hatterberg has been on fire. Glad to finally see Edwin start a game though.

VI_RedsFan
07-26-2006, 07:54 PM
My ideal lineup would be:

Freel
Phillips
Dunn
Griffey
Encarnacion
Hatterberg
Ross
Clayton
P

But, whatever. I trust Jerry. People complain about his wacky lineups, but we are leading the WC aren't we??

KoryMac5
07-26-2006, 07:58 PM
I'd like to see Hatteberg in there instead of Rich. I know Rich has been hitting well lately, but Hatterberg has been on fire. Glad to finally see Edwin start a game though.

I think Hat is more familiar with Andy being that Hat spent so much time in the AL. Plus Andy doesn't throw hard stuff allowing lefties to pick it up better.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:00 PM
I trust Jerry. People complain about his wacky lineups, but we are leading the WC aren't we??


If not for Jerry's wacky lineups, we'd be leading the division ;)

Rob Dicken
07-26-2006, 08:01 PM
My ideal lineup would be:

Freel
Phillips
Dunn
Griffey
Encarnacion
Hatterberg
Ross
Clayton
P

But, whatever. I trust Jerry. People complain about his wacky lineups, but we are leading the WC aren't we??

That's a very good lineup. :thumbup:

VI_RedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:01 PM
If not for Jerry's wacky lineups, we'd be leading the division ;)

No, if it weren't for Albert Pujols, we'd be leading the division.

Redlegs23
07-26-2006, 08:02 PM
That's a very good lineup. :thumbup:

Agreed, I really like that lineup.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 08:04 PM
Guess who's back?....Back again.....EE's back...tell a friend.....

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:07 PM
I dont have a problem with either Rich or Hat at 1st.
What i would really like to see though is a 30 HR 100 rbi guy there at 1st and batting 5th.

VI_RedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:07 PM
What i would really like to see though is a 30 HR 100 rbi guy there at 1st and batting 5th.

Wouldn't we all. ;)

VI_RedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:08 PM
Thanks Redlegs23 and Rob Dicken. :)

Dunner44
07-26-2006, 08:11 PM
When I opened up gameday and say clayton batting 2, i shuddered a little bit, but he's been hitting well since coming here.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:12 PM
No, if it weren't for Albert Pujols, we'd be leading the division.

Yep, no argument there.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:16 PM
In a moving tribute to the dearly departed Joe Mays, Bronson gives up a homer to Biggio.

Dunner44
07-26-2006, 08:16 PM
well crap, homer to biggio to start it for the 'Stros.... dang it.

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:19 PM
I hate Craig Biggio.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:20 PM
Why does George call everyone an "operative" for a certain organization? Is that because he doesn't know anyone's actual position?

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:22 PM
I dont miss George but I`m stuck with the Astros radio guys:help:

Dunner44
07-26-2006, 08:23 PM
Ok, poop on Luke Scott now BA (yay, you did)


....Bronson is having trouble finding the strike zone so far tonight

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:24 PM
Luke Scott is a great player.


For me to poop on!

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:25 PM
Why does George call everyone an "operative" for a certain organization? Is that because he doesn't know anyone's actual position?


It has more to do with George's pre-baseball career during which his real-life exploits inspired a series of novels by Ian Fleming.

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
I think that was Ian Flimming

goreds2
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
Rich A an HR! (SOLO)

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
Astros TV guys are not any better. If you ever wondered what happened to Jim Deshaies....there you go.

Interesting stat: they said that Biggio tied Mickey Mantle on the career extra-bases list. How 'bout that?

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
Rich #13

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
It has more to do with George's pre-baseball career during which his real-life exploits inspired a series of novels by Ian Flemming.
Too funny!

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
RA!:pimp:

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:28 PM
6-4-3 DP - EE won't see the field in Milwaukee...

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:29 PM
get ready Juan....

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:29 PM
I think that was Ian Flimming

"Fleming," actually.
Wikipedia is a good pal.

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:30 PM
George....George Grande...007

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:31 PM
RA!:pimp:

Rich saw Hatteberg's contract extension and wants his chunk of change.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:34 PM
George....George Grande...007


"When the world is the target, and the threat is real, there's only one man for the job..."

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:37 PM
BP makes out #3 look easy...why couldn't he move to SS today, with Lopez gone?

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:39 PM
wasnt he in that movie with Priscilla Galore?

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:39 PM
I bet he is the SS next year

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:41 PM
Ross doubles to lead off the third.
Arroyo sacrifices him to third. one out.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 08:42 PM
Welcome back with a double of left center wall Ross.

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:42 PM
Nice bunt by Arroyo.

howyoufreelin
07-26-2006, 08:44 PM
chris welch just totally jinked freel.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:46 PM
You know things are going bad for Jr. when they pitch around Clayton to get to him.

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:46 PM
wake up Griff

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:47 PM
wasnt he in that movie with Priscilla Galore?

Yep, I think it was "Octocat."

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:48 PM
Astro radio guys openly whining

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 08:49 PM
I'm thinking it might not be so bad to give Griff a day off and play Deno in center. Crazy?

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:49 PM
Whining about what? Sucking?

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:49 PM
dang

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:49 PM
they were whining about the ump

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:52 PM
I'm thinking it might not be so bad to give Griff a day off and play Deno in center. Crazy?
More Deno, especially since we heard the whole "he's not coming up from AAA unless he's going to start bull." He should play 2x a week in CF, and 3-4 in RF.

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:52 PM
they were whining about the ump

True to form, for Milo Hamilton. :thumbdown

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 08:54 PM
BA has his curve and slurve both working tonight.

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 08:56 PM
BA has his curve and slurve both working tonight.

Steady diet of junk, then he blew the fastball by Burke...

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:56 PM
Fastball might be there too:)

cReds1
07-26-2006, 08:56 PM
I'm thinking it might not be so bad to give Griff a day off and play Deno in center. Crazy?

Yea, why don't we just give him the year off! That is the ticket! I have tried to tell you guys before, but Junior is getting old and is not getting any younger. Oh wait, he will hit that one winning RBI when everyone forgot he was 0 for 14 and celebrate. :laugh:

2008 can not get here soon enough when we get our Reds back!

Redlegs23
07-26-2006, 08:59 PM
Yea, why don't we just give him the year off! That is the ticket! I have tried to tell you guys before, but Junior is getting old and is not getting any younger. Oh wait, he will hit that one winning RBI when everyone forgot he was 0 for 14 and celebrate. :laugh:

2008 can not get here soon enough when we get our Reds back!

I didn't see you in here bashing him when he was on his homerun tear.

DannyB
07-26-2006, 08:59 PM
could it be the $11 mil?

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 09:00 PM
Yea, why don't we just give him the year off! That is the ticket! I have tried to tell you guys before, but Junior is getting old and is not getting any younger. Oh wait, he will hit that one winning RBI when everyone forgot he was 0 for 14 and celebrate. :laugh:

2008 can not get here soon enough when we get our Reds back!


Be careful, 00-George is pretty tight with Jr and has a license to kill.

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 09:01 PM
Ducks on the pond, here we go!

KoryMac5
07-26-2006, 09:01 PM
Yea, why don't we just give him the year off! That is the ticket! I have tried to tell you guys before, but Junior is getting old and is not getting any younger. Oh wait, he will hit that one winning RBI when everyone forgot he was 0 for 14 and celebrate. :laugh:

2008 can not get here soon enough when we get our Reds back!


When we get our Reds back where did they go? Ohh thats right in the middle of a playoff hunt.

Jr's Boy
07-26-2006, 09:02 PM
Listening to Steve Stewart is like watching wet paint dry.

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 09:03 PM
Scrappy RBI infield single by EE...

tripleaaaron
07-26-2006, 09:03 PM
get em EE

ChiTownRedsFan
07-26-2006, 09:03 PM
Nice baserunning by Dunn! (That was the plan all along!)

DannyB
07-26-2006, 09:04 PM
Ducks on the pond, here we go!

Hmm after all these yeas did i figure the quote thing out?

Redlegs23
07-26-2006, 09:04 PM
Wow, got lucky there!

DannyB
07-26-2006, 09:04 PM
Yes!!!

Redlegs23
07-26-2006, 09:06 PM
Heads up play again by Phillips. Scrappy.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Nice hustle BP.

GOREDSGO32
07-26-2006, 09:09 PM
1st and 3rd, 2 down ... Reds up 4-1 .. Clayton up.

DannyB
07-26-2006, 09:10 PM
was that really a "screaming one-hopper"?

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 09:12 PM
was that really a "screaming one-hopper"?

Well, George is widely recognized as the best agent at disarming those, so he should know.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:21 PM
Cycle for Rich??? Wonder who the oldest player is to get a cycle?

Gallen5862
07-26-2006, 09:29 PM
Good job on the pbp. It's good that you are keeping the thread alive.

kevinc12345
07-26-2006, 09:29 PM
Cycle for Rich??? Wonder who the oldest player is to get a cycle?
Dave Winfield at 39 (I don't think anyone older has done so since 1991 when Dave did it).

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:32 PM
Just settin up the DP ball Arroyo, I see ya.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:36 PM
Ausmus doubles off LF wall. Arroyo then hits Everett with pitch. Then Taveras pinch hits for Pettitte and hit a ground ball up middle that Clayton picks up and trys to flip to Phillips for the DP instead of taking the sure out at 1st. The ball hits off Phillips glove and everyone is safe bases loaded. Biggio then singles to center to score 1 run.

Bases still currently loaded, 0 outs.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:38 PM
Burke singles to left center, 2 more runs score. 5-4 Reds with Berkman up.:scared:

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Berkman 3 run HR. *%&*$*%*().:thumbdown :bang: :cry:
7-5 Astros

KYRed
07-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Wow, complete collapse of an inning. Minus Claussen, rare this season. First 6 up score, no outs.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Miltonian.

GOREDSGO32
07-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Game over, way to screw up the game Reds.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 09:41 PM
Wow, Can't blame this one on the offense or bullpen. Wow, what the hell just happened.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 09:41 PM
Don't worry--the worst is over. Chris Welsh has this theory that Berkman's homerun is a "rally killer." ;)

KYRed
07-26-2006, 09:41 PM
Man, you never should be but I was 95% sure this game was in the bag in the middle of the 5th with the way Arroyo had dominated and a 4 run cushion. Can't believe Pettite has looked like complete crud (11 hits, 5 runs) and is in position for a win.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 09:42 PM
Well, I forget, the ball that Phillips dropped, turned out to be somewhat big.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 09:42 PM
Game over, way to screw up the game Reds.

Give up on the Reds when they are down 2 in the 5th inning?! Craziness. It's far from over with Pettitte out of the game.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 09:43 PM
Hopefully the Reds can keep hittin against the pen now.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 09:43 PM
I wake up from my nap with the TV on, its 5-1.

I doze back because we have a good lead, and wake up 6 minutes later.

7-5.

Bronson with a Jeff Austin inning. This is how you lose playoff races.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 09:47 PM
This 10th win crap for Bronson is getting in his head. He has done the job to earn it in his last few starts. But the time the offense has his back, he does something that he hasn't done all year. Strange game this baseball is.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 09:47 PM
Why is the game thread so quiet? And why is Bronson staying in there. :confused:

tripleaaaron
07-26-2006, 09:51 PM
why get bullpen help and not use it? why is he still in there?

fisch11
07-26-2006, 09:52 PM
Houston - 7 runs, 6 hits. That's pretty efficient.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 09:53 PM
And why is Bronson staying in there. :confused:

Because Narron thinks "Indiana Arroyo and the Quest for the Tenth Win" is much better than "Cats." He's going to see it again and again.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 09:54 PM
Because Narron thinks "Indiana Arroyo and the Quest for the Tenth Win" is much better than "Cats." He's going to see it again and again.

I could care less if Bronson doesn't win another game as a Red this season, as long as we get that Wildcard. He shouldn't be in there. Wasted AB in the top of the sixth as well.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 09:57 PM
Clayton needs to get on base next inning. And Jr. needs to get out of his funk with a 2 run bomb. Qualls warming up.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 09:57 PM
Nice rebound from Bronson's "hiccup".

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Nice rebound from Bronson's "hiccup".

That's a hell of a hiccup. :laugh:

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:00 PM
Whats with this swinging at the first pitch when we need baserunners, good strategy.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 10:00 PM
I could care less if Bronson doesn't win another game as a Red this season, as long as we get that Wildcard. He shouldn't be in there. Wasted AB in the top of the sixth as well.

I *agree* with you. In fact, before all heck broke loose in the 5th, I was going to suggest pulling Arroyo at the end of the inning, using the pen the rest of the way, and having Bronson start Saturday.

The only problem with that plan, I realized, is that it's already Wednesday, not Tuesday...

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:01 PM
2 pitches, 2 outs. Nice patience.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:01 PM
Great. Griffey out *AGAIN*, but hey, it was a nice sounding out, right Chris? :bang:

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:02 PM
That was downright pathetic. Two straight first pitch outs, followed by an ugly finish for Aurillia, swinging at an awful pitch.

:angry:

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:03 PM
Side note: Rich is a double short of the cycle....that'll be exciting if we rally.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 10:04 PM
That was downright pathetic. Two straight first pitch outs, followed by an ugly finish for Aurillia, swinging at an awful pitch.

:angry:


I thought lulling the opposing team into a false sense of security until the 8th inning was Standard Operating Procedure...

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:05 PM
Biggio out trying to stretcha single into a double....up 2 runs?! Nice play, Craig. I don't like you.


Biggio = Bill Hall.

redsupport
07-26-2006, 10:05 PM
not only does griffey play every day(this of course would have to be the year when he doesn't get injured) but does he still own the third spot in the lineup

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 10:06 PM
Okay, seriously...why continue to leave Arroyo out there at this point? You've finally got a pen--this is the kind of situation where you rest him...

Astrobuddy
07-26-2006, 10:06 PM
Biggio = 1st ballot HOF'er.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:07 PM
Wow, does it ever stop?

ChaseReds
07-26-2006, 10:07 PM
I have not seen a melt down from a pitcher in that much control in an extremely long time....as a matter of fact I am jogging my memory and have nothing....

just give it time....i will think of some pitcher....

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:07 PM
I don't like you either, Lance.

Lance Berkman = Bill Hall.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:08 PM
Why. Why.

cReds1
07-26-2006, 10:08 PM
I didn't see you in here bashing him when he was on his homerun tear.

Homerun tear? Did I miss something? Oh, you must mean that time where he went up against the 2 worst teams in baseball's pitchers? Bwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa

Yea, that was something. glad he went on a tear against those teams. :rolleyes:

All of his HRs have been against the worst teams in baseball. Do I need to name them for you since he went on such a tear! :laugh:

Junior's batting average in July a big .178. Man, he is on a tear. :laugh:

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:08 PM
Shack's in.

ChaseReds
07-26-2006, 10:08 PM
Again.....Narron...leaving BA in? I used to enjoy watching JN....but I have had about enough of his "emotional" decisions....

LB launches another homer.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:09 PM
Shack in the game. Narron will leave him in to face Preston Wilson and he will smack a HR.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Alrighty. Seventh inning, we need to stay in the game, and you go to...Shack?

*sigh.*

cReds1
07-26-2006, 10:11 PM
When we get our Reds back where did they go? Ohh thats right in the middle of a playoff hunt.

This is only July, give it some time. You will see a big difference when the end of that year comes. You will see.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:12 PM
This is only July, give it some time. You will see a big difference when the end of that year comes. You will see.
Why do intend on bashing the Reds with every post you can?

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:13 PM
Dunn, EE, Phillips to rally.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:14 PM
We found Dunn's bat again. Once Jr. finds his we are going to go on a tear. Honestly, we've been playing well since the break without production from our biggest hitters.

goreds2
07-26-2006, 10:16 PM
We found Dunn's bat again. Once Jr. finds his we are going to go on a tear. Honestly, we've been playing well since the break without production from our biggest hitters.

Griffey had some good swings tonight. (At'em BALLS)


If we get Jr. going, we could win 7 out of the next ten.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:17 PM
We found Dunn's bat again. Once Jr. finds his we are going to go on a tear. Honestly, we've been playing well since the break without production from our biggest hitters.
Well Dunn has been on a tear since the break. Jr is about the only one still left behind. Catch up Jr, please.

EKURed
07-26-2006, 10:21 PM
Kearns just hit a game winning sacrifice fly to score Lopez in the bottom of the 9th to beat the Giants. So, the Reds got some help. But, this was a TOUGH game to let get away.

Gandalf the Red
07-26-2006, 10:21 PM
Unfortunately, this game only emphasizes the need for another starter. Our current chances basically depend on both Harang and Arroyo being perfect every time out in order to offset the...suck of the rest of the rotation.

Spilt milk and all, but I wish we hadn't used up both of our biggest trading chips in the last deal.

KoryMac5
07-26-2006, 10:22 PM
This is only July, give it some time. You will see a big difference when the end of that year comes. You will see.

Are you sure you are a fan of the Reds or have the last few years clouded your judgement.

muethibp
07-26-2006, 10:23 PM
Again.....Narron...leaving BA in? I used to enjoy watching JN....but I have had about enough of his "emotional" decisions....

LB launches another homer.

I can't stand Jerry Narron's management of starting pitchers. Why
would he leave Arroyo in to face Berkman. I don't know the pitch
count but its getting up there. Clearly Berkman was not fooled by
Arroyo tonight. And Berkman has SO much more power from the left side
- 22 homers vs. RHP, 4 vs. LHP. And he has Shackelford in the bullpen
and then brought him in immediately after Berkman hit the home run.
How do you not bring in Shack, turn Berkman around and then leave
Shack in to face the left handed hitter that is on deck?

redsfanfalcon
07-26-2006, 10:24 PM
Kearns just hit a game winning sacrifice fly to score Lopez in the bottom of the 9th to beat the Giants. So, the Reds got some help. But, this was a TOUGH game to let get away.

I have a sneaky feeling you think this game is over. You gotta believe...as they said in Animal House...it's not over until we say it is! (I think that is the right movie!) :beerme:

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Jr. will hit a 3 run bomb in the top of the 9th.


Wishful thinking...

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Well, barring a great ninth inning rally, we've let one get away that we desperately needed.

At this rate, we're never going to be more than a few games up in the Wildcard.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Weathers on.

KoryMac5
07-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Jerry managed in Texas he has to know what this kind of heat can do to a player. Arroyo was on fumes no excuse for leaving him in there.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:25 PM
I can't stand Jerry Narron's management of starting pitchers. Why
would he leave Arroyo in to face Berkman. I don't know the pitch
count but its getting up there. Clearly Berkman was not fooled by
Arroyo tonight. And Berkman has SO much more power from the left side
- 22 homers vs. RHP, 4 vs. LHP. And he has Shackelford in the bullpen
and then brought him in immediately after Berkman hit the home run.
How do you not bring in Shack, turn Berkman around and then leave
Shack in to face the left handed hitter that is on deck?
No joke...Only thing could be that Shackelford wasn't ready. But he certainly should have been up for a while.

KoryMac5
07-26-2006, 10:27 PM
Well, barring a great ninth inning rally, we've let one get away that we desperately needed.

At this rate, we're never going to be more than a few games up in the Wildcard.

Buddy Ryan used to say if you ain't the lead dog the scenery never changes. I would rather be up a few than down 20 like last year.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:27 PM
Jerry managed in Texas he has to know what this kind of heat can do to a player. Arroyo was on fumes no excuse for leaving him in there.
In all seriousness, how hot is it in there when the roof in closed, and how hot does it get in July with it open?

goreds2
07-26-2006, 10:27 PM
Kearns just hit a game winning sacrifice fly to score Lopez in the bottom of the 9th to beat the Giants. So, the Reds got some help. But, this was a TOUGH game to let get away.

Thanks guys. :kearns: :felo:

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:28 PM
CB Bucknor misses 50% of the calls on the bases.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:28 PM
Buddy Ryan used to say if you ain't the lead dog the scenery never changes. I would rather be up a few than down 20 like last year.

That's true, but I'd like to get up by 3 games or so. This whole 1 to 1.5 games up trend is too stressful.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:29 PM
Spilled milk. Bronson has gotten out of jams like that before, and hasn't had an inning like that this year. So you don't really expect that to happen if you've never seen it. Oh well, rally in the 9th or win the series tomorrow. I'll take a series win (2 outta 3) any day, I don't know about yall!

EKURed
07-26-2006, 10:30 PM
I have a sneaky feeling you think this game is over. You gotta believe...as they said in Animal House...it's not over until we say it is! (I think that is the right movie!) :beerme:

Odds are....yeah it is over. It's pretty hard to come back after the demoralizing way this game got away..

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:31 PM
Feel free to beat the traffic then. I'll stick around :)

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:31 PM
Another good outing from the bullpen. Bring on Lidge.....we'll Turnbow his butt.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:32 PM
Nothing is EVER over. I was at the Dunn game winning grand slam rally against the Indians. Never leave the games early, that's all I can say.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:32 PM
we'll Turnbow his butt.
Now that's funny.
BTW, is Turnbow one of the oddest looking dudes in baseball?

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:32 PM
Lidge is in, maybe he can blow another save.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:34 PM
Now that's funny.
BTW, is Turnbow one of the oddest looking dudes in baseball?

The answer is Yes. Looks like a doll I think.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:34 PM
Mr. Hat, Freel, Clayton (Valentin PH, I hope) here

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Rally on none!!!!!

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Base hit for Hatte, we need 1 more baserunner.

KYRed
07-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Oh well, rally in the 9th or win the series tomorrow. I'll take a series win (2 outta 3) any day, I don't know about yall!

We all would! It's just that Lizard gets Clemons-like run support this season, so tonight certainly looked like the best shot.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:36 PM
Hatty: "Show me the money."

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 10:36 PM
Hatte is just nasty

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:36 PM
I hope Valentin comes up first pitch swingin at a fast ball and crushes one.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:37 PM
We all would! It's just that Lizard gets Clemons-like run support this season, so tonight certainly looked like the best shot.

I agree. We've beat on Pettitte hard this year.....just none of us expected that from Bronson. The Lizard always gives us a chance to win though.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:37 PM
Unlike Mays! Ha.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:37 PM
Ow

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:37 PM
He hit Freel here we go baby!

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:37 PM
Good AB Dorn. :laugh:

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:38 PM
Swing JAVY swing!

NavyRedsFan
07-26-2006, 10:38 PM
Hatty: "Show me the money."
He's hitting .412 against Houston this year.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:38 PM
You still here EKURed?

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:39 PM
That first pitch to Javy looked outside, Booo.

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:40 PM
That first pitch to Javy looked outside, Booo.
Running fastball, probably caught the front side of the plate.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Wild pitch, both runners advance.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Lidge with the Wild Pitch, runners to second and third.

2nd and 3rd, no out. You have to capitalize here.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Sweet. No DP now.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Damn, alright; Griffey and Dunn due up, we have the guys we want up now.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 10:42 PM
Lidge is out; The lefty Trevor Miller comes in

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:42 PM
Actually, Jr. and Rich due up.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Dang, Lidge is gone. Lefty Miller is in.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Griffey, just git a hit and keep the rally going. Base hit. You used to know how to get those. Come on. *Crosses fingers*

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:43 PM
My boy Trever Miller in.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:43 PM
No matter what Jr. does, a double for Rich and the cycle would be sweet.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:44 PM
Actually, Jr. and Rich due up.

Junior, Rich, then Dunn.

Rich and Dunn are 7 for 8 on the night. All Griffey has to do is get a hit, and let the hot bats get the job done. At least he can't ground into a Double Play.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:45 PM
Wow, great job Griffey. Thanks man, we needed that.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 10:45 PM
Geez, at least Richie's up, my bad on that

KYRed
07-26-2006, 10:45 PM
No matter what Jr. does, a double for Rich and the cycle would be sweet.

I remember seeing the winning % earlier this season for teams who have a player hit for the cycle. I want to say ESPN had it around 85-90%.

Of course, Griff just popped out to continue his futility.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:45 PM
Jr., have you ever heard of taking a pitch?

KySteveH
07-26-2006, 10:45 PM
No matter what Jr. does, a double for Rich and the cycle would be sweet.
Couldn't give a rat's ass...I'm all about this win any way we can do it.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:46 PM
Griffey needs to sit a few games. That, or be moved down in the lineup, because he is a complete liability right now batting.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 10:46 PM
Couldn't give a rat's ass...I'm all about this win any way we can do it.
Exactly, ask any player in the clubhouse, a cycle means nothing if we lose the game, especially the way we lost it, will hurt tonight.

Damn I'm pissed

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:47 PM
Well it's all on Rich. If he can reach base, Dunn will have the righty. Garner yanks Miller.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:47 PM
Exactly, ask any player in the clubhouse, a cycle means nothing if we lose the game, especially the way we lost it, will hurt tonight.

Damn I'm pissed

There's still one more out. Ya know.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:47 PM
Yes, but my point was that if Rich doubled....we'd be down 1 with Dunn up!

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 10:47 PM
Scrap Iron is giving Jerry a lesson

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:48 PM
Theres that outside strike call again.

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 10:48 PM
Why wouldn't Jerry pinch hit for RA?

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:48 PM
Rich kinda looks like Berkman. Maybe that means he will hit 2 HRs too.

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 10:49 PM
RA is 0-4 against Wheeler

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:49 PM
And there ya go. Runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs, and we can't get one run.

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

5TimeWSChamps
07-26-2006, 10:49 PM
UNREAL, What a TERRIBLE loss, No killer instinct at ALL there

GOREDSGO32
07-26-2006, 10:49 PM
Reds lose, way to go guys.

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 10:50 PM
This loss is a big one

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:50 PM
Why wouldn't Jerry pinch hit for RA?

Are you serious?

KYRed
07-26-2006, 10:51 PM
Tomorrow's game will be real interesting. I don't want to be negative, but I sure hope the team doesn't let Bronson's 5th inning beat them more than once if you catch my drift.

We had owned the Stros this season and their team and the whole stadium was just dead before the big inning. I sure hope a month from now the turning point of the season series was not tonight.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:52 PM
I really don't think it was that big of a loss, honestly. I mean yeah it looked like we were cruising to another win, but we haven't lost in Minute Maid this year until tonight. And we play terrible there. Just win the series tomorrow, I like our odds with Elizard and Bucholz (not as much as I like tonight's odds but....)

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 10:52 PM
Are you serious?
Yes, he was 0-4 against Wheeler, now 0-5.

ThornWithin81
07-26-2006, 10:53 PM
Tomorrow's game will be real interesting. I don't want to be negative, but I sure hope the team doesn't let Bronson's 5th inning beat them more than once if you catch my drift.

We had owned the Stros this season and their team and the whole stadium was just dead before the big inning. I sure hope a month from now the turning point of the season series was not tonight.

That inning had a really bad feel to it. I think Bronson did more than lose just that game in that rally.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:53 PM
Yes, he was 0-4 against Wheeler, now 0-5.

Ok. Yet he was the hottest bat of the night. And who do you want to PH for him? Wise?!

KronoRed
07-26-2006, 10:54 PM
Why wouldn't Jerry pinch hit for RA?
With who? the bench was mighty bare there.

keeganbrick
07-26-2006, 10:54 PM
Yes, he was 0-4 against Wheeler, now 0-5.
Wow, 0-4 he was a double away from the cycle. Just who did you plan to PH for him with HR power? Deno, Castro, LaRue,??

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 10:56 PM
Ok. Yet he was the hottest bat of the night. And who do you want to PH for him? Wise?!
When you put it that way, no but I'm tired of the other coaching staff doing a better job of scouting and playing percentages than our staff. Junior didn't have a hit against Miller. I don't see our staff making any adjustments in the games.

fisch11
07-26-2006, 10:58 PM
When you put it that way, no but I'm tired of the other coaching staff doing a better job of scouting and playing percentages than our staff. Junior didn't have a hit against Miller. I don't see our staff making any adjustments in the games.

This game wasn't on the offense though. It's Bronson's, and he will be the first to tell you that.

cincy09
07-26-2006, 10:58 PM
our team leads the league in every pinch hitting category. I don't think they are out coached every time. that has to be more than luck

Rob Dicken
07-26-2006, 10:59 PM
With who? the bench was mighty bare there.

Exactly. This game wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great either. Any team that is allowed to score 8 runs, should win. Plain and simple.

The thing I don't like, is how the Reds try and work the pitcher. I seen TOO MANY cases this game and other games of hitters taking 2 strikes before even swinging the bat! There were like 10 times this game, where a Stros pitcher had our hitter down 0-2 before he decided to swing the bat. I mean, this wasn't a very aggressive game at all (besides Dunn and Aurilia giving good outings). Griffey was a little TOO aggressive....every at bat, it seems, he swung at the first pitch.

I don't know....some things need to get into check. Can you imagine how great this team would be if they hit like they should, and would remain aggressive at the plate like they showcase in SOME games?

redlegs2370
07-26-2006, 11:05 PM
This game wasn't on the offense though. It's Bronson's, and he will be the first to tell you that.
I agree, it is just frustrating I guess. I didn't get to watch the game until the top of the 8th inning, so I hadn't really paid atttention to RA's night. After looking at his night I would have let him hit.

reds1869
07-26-2006, 11:13 PM
our team leads the league in every pinch hitting category. I don't think they are out coached every time. that has to be more than luck

That doesn't matter to the sky is falling crew. There are thse who will always tell you the Reds are wrong no matter what. This extends to the front office, coaches and players. Quite frankly it gets old after a while. Sometimes you just lose and it is really no one's fault. In every game there are a myriad of opportunities to swing the game in your favor, i.e. the Clayton-Phillips fumble.

PHing for an on-fire Aurilia would have been silly. But don't tell that to someone who irrationally hates him and/or Narron. The coaches did not lose this game...it was a team effort.

Rob Dicken
07-26-2006, 11:16 PM
That doesn't matter to the sky is falling crew. There are thse who will always tell you the Reds are wrong no matter what. This extends to the front office, coaches and players. Quite frankly it gets old after a while. Sometimes you just lose and it is really no one's fault. In every game there are a myriad of opportunities to swing the game in your favor, i.e. the Clayton-Phillips fumble.

PHing for an on-fire Aurilia would have been silly. But don't tell that to someone who irrationally hates him and/or Narron. The coaches did not lose this game...it was a team effort.

If I could give you rep, I definitely would. Well said. :thumbup:

fisch11
07-26-2006, 11:18 PM
Here's the kicker: Pettitte got the win!

fisch11
07-26-2006, 11:21 PM
Also, Astros bullpen hasn't allowed ER in last 20 1/3 innings. Longest streak of the season.

jnwohio
07-26-2006, 11:53 PM
That inning had a really bad feel to it.

It really did didn't it. I thought Arroyo looked just plain lazy against Ausmus even before he got tagged then careless against Everett when he hit him with that 0-1 pitch.

Originally I thought Everett was the key batter of the inning; but then seeing how the Reds 9th unfolded with the Astros working with a 3 run lead as opposed to the 4 run lead the Reds had to work with in the 5th, I decided that not getting an out on the Tavares grounder was in retrospect the key. On that one I thought with the play at first right in front of him, Clayton should have taken the out there instead of trying to get something more.

As you watch Arroyo work it is evident that in some situations, he absolutely pitches around folks and not getting that out on Tavares, did not leave him any wiggle room to do that. And actually I thiink the 'Stros also gave themselves some unintended help in the same way when they held Everett at 3rd on the Biggio single. If 2 come in on the Biggio single, the Astros are probably going to have Burke bunt the runners to 2nd and 3rd and that would have resulted in all likelihood in Berkman being walked.

Very intersting if upsetting inning. The one thing I think you do have to say though is the way Arroyo blew through the next 8 guys (until Berkman again) after the dameage was done, his problems were mental and not physical. And that is what is much more worrisome to me than just the blown game tonite.

TeamBoone
07-27-2006, 12:39 AM
This game wasn't on the offense though. It's Bronson's, and he will be the first to tell you that.

Yeah, he had a bad inning... but Clayton and Phillips didn't help his cause either.

Also, based on past experience (ad nauseum).... why would you pitch to Berkman? They did the same thing with Pujols and he did the same thing as Berkman. Just dumb!

I also wonder, again, why Adam Dunn is not left in the two spot. Instead of him being on deck when the last out was recorded, he would have already batted in the inning... which may have made a difference.