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Jpup
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
did I mention it's not over yet.

RollyInRaleigh
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
The guy continues to get big hits.

SteelSD
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Y'know...darn Junior and Aurilia for killing that rally. ;)

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
He should be your starting SS for the rest of this year.
Or 2nd baseman with BP at SS.

EE/RA/BP/Hatte should start EVERY game.

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Richie Rich!!

Crap, I'm really coming around on this guy.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
If they pull this game out, print the playoff tickets, it may just be our year

Don't give any to FCB....he'll be at Miller Park wondering why it's empty

:D

westofyou
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
I was with Krivsky up until his debacle on July 13. But I'm not going to be stupidly and blindly supportive of a guy who just blew a hole in the hull of his own ship.

Winning record and a positive run differential.

I'll take it.

oneupper
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Aurilia homers to left!! 4-3 Brewers.

And EE feels another pine splinter in his behind!

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Rich says: "Lemmee see your wife Derrick -- I'll take her home and make a woman out of her....WOOOO!"

http://www.bobborden.com/diary/images/ricflair.jpg

BrooklynRedz
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Thanks for the info. Didn't realize that.

In that case, he got the best deal he could get out of it, IMO. All I know is the Brewers are better than they were before the trade; and the Reds aren't.

Actually, that's why it was such a terrible trade. Lee made no secret of the fact that he wanted out of Milwaukee. Melvin knew this and his played his hand terribly. Trading a slugger at the deadline is going to net you a very questionable return...certainly less than the same deal would return during the offseason.

Regardless...rally caps anyone?

traderumor
07-30-2006, 05:33 PM
I will say this about Melvin, he can't be too smart if he hired Dan O'brien.
:beerme:

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:34 PM
Does anyone else think that Turnbow looks like one of the Goons from the old Popeye cartoons.

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:34 PM
He should be your starting SS for the rest of this year.
Or 2nd and Phillips to SS

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 05:34 PM
I will say this about Melvin, he can't be too smart if he hired Dan O'brien.

As long as DanO doesn't touch the major league operations and helps the minors, he'd be a welcome addition. But unfortunately, I think DanO does help with MLB operation with the Brewers. So yeah, that was an ill-advised move.

oneupper
07-30-2006, 05:34 PM
Will Castro hit for Castro this inning?

MWM
07-30-2006, 05:34 PM
How smart can an organization be that continues to run Derick Turnbow out there as their closer?

Joseph
07-30-2006, 05:35 PM
Let's go Redlegs....:pray: :pray:

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:35 PM
Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:35 PM
Hatteburg grounds out to second

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:35 PM
I hope Jerry is second-guessing his Aaron Harang decision...

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:35 PM
Pitch by pitch pbp please?

It's Sunday and I'm stuck at work... :cry:

MWM
07-30-2006, 05:35 PM
My guess is it will be Javy hitting for Castro.

Joseph
07-30-2006, 05:36 PM
Does anyone else think that Turnbow looks like one of the Goons from the old Popeye cartoons.

Yes!

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 05:36 PM
I hope Jerry is second-guessing his Aaron Harang decision...

You just know this baby's going to end 4-3. Jerry Narron needs to be impaled on a pike.

VR
07-30-2006, 05:36 PM
I hope to see the bat of David Ross this inning.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:36 PM
A lefthanded pinch hitter with some pop would be nice to fill the pitchers spot, if it comes around.

DoogMinAmo
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
My guess is it will be Javy hitting for Castro.

Javy already PH, it better be EE

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
You just know this baby's going to end 4-3. Jerry Narron needs to be impaled on a pike.

No -- You knew this game would end 4-0. And you were wrong. :laugh:

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Turnbow

:laugh:

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
3-1 count on Phillips.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Turnbow is crazy wild.

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
You just know this baby's going to end 4-3. Jerry Narron needs to be impaled on a pike.

No way dude, Dunn hasn't had his dose of daily awesomeness yet today.

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
You just know this baby's going to end 4-3. Jerry Narron needs to be impaled on a pike.
http://www.dowlingfamily.info/images/my_teigh.jpg

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Turnbow Nuke Lalooshes one to the backstop.3-1 count to Phillips

alloverjr
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Wayne knows more than you :D

Ech. That would be a painful realization. :)

MWM
07-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Javy already PH, it better be EE

I would hope so. But Narron tends to play the righty-lefty thing to a tee. Is there a lefty left on the bench?

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Full count on Phillips

SteelSD
07-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Brewers announcer: "And that Nuke Laloosh pitch goes all the way to the backstop..."

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Phillips fouls off two more.

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:39 PM
I would hope so. But Narron tends to play the righty-lefty thing to a tee. Is there a lefty left on the bench?
Not unless the new call up is a lefty

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:39 PM
Fouls another

MWM
07-30-2006, 05:39 PM
I bet he hits David Ross. Wouldn't be a bad move.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:39 PM
Phillips is battling here fouling off a few pitches.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Phillips walks

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Watson is a lefty.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Phillips walks. Tying run on base.

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Thanks for the improved pbp y'all :thumbup:


C'mon Reds...!!!!

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Brandon Phillips with a great at bat!

Castro bats for Castro

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
BP walks!

oneupper
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Phillips walks

Good job!

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
Watson is a lefty.
Ahh..Thus explains why he's here :)

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 05:40 PM
AB of the game. Glad to see Phillips turning it back around again. The offense needs that desperately.

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Why is Castro hitting for himself??

alloverjr
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
I DO NOT believe this. Or maybe I do.

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Holy smokes ESPN gamecast is slow...it still says Hatte is up right now.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Letting Castro hit with Ross and EE on the bench is unbelievable.

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Prove logic and common sense wrong Castro

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Watson is a lefty.

Watson or Castro...

This debate has no winners, only losers.

SteelSD
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Catro hitting for himself.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
0-1 count on Castro.

OnBaseMachine
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Why is Castro hitting for himself??

Jerry Narron.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Why is Castro hitting for himself??

Didn't he double last time up?

BP steals second...no throw.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Phillips steals 2nd.

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Prove logic and common sense wrong Castro

Please? :pray:

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Phillips steals second

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
That was a heck of a steal right there...

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Single ties it now

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
I actually don't mind Castro in this spot. Reward the guy for some head's up play in the field.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
1-2 count on Castro.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM
Castro swings through another. 1-2 count

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
I love Brandon Phillips

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
swung at ball 2.

Oh how I loathe you Jerry.

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Where the hell is EdE???

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Phillips took off...had third base stolen; Castro fouls off the pitch.

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
That was a heck of a steal right there...


Yes, yes it was...HUGE!!!!


What now...Castro gonna go yard???

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Phillips took off for 3rd but Castro fouled off the pitch.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Castro fouls

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
If Castro pulls off a single here I'm taking a train to Milwaukee to service him.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Castro fouls again

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Another foul ball.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:44 PM
Turnbow has thrown 21 pitches

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:44 PM
If Castro pulls off a single here I'm taking a train to Milwaukee to service him.

:eek:

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:44 PM
This is foul allright


;)

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Castro definitely putting in a "professional" AB with all the fouls...c'mon Redlegs!!!!

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Castro swings and............fouls again

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Castro continues to foul them off.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Castro battling.

alloverjr
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
If Castro pulls off a single here I'm taking a train to Milwaukee to service him.

I'm now sick. :eek:

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Castro strikes out

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Yuck...Castro K's

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Castro strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
EE hits for LaRue

Marc D
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
I suppose someone can defend this Narron masterstroke?

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
EE hits for LaRue

OnBaseMachine
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Great move, Jer.

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Narron

sigh

CrackerJack
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Only a pedestrian veteran presence like Castro swings at that pitch, in that situation.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
EdE is pinch hitting for Larue!

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
C'mon Edwin.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Encarnacion pinch hits.

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
JN needs some serious psychological help. JN is absolutely clueless.

HotCorner
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Holy! EE is still on the roster!

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Come on Edwin.

SteelSD
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
You've got two outs left to try to tie this game up.

Why you give one of them to Juan Castro is beyond me.

traderumor
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
why not encarnacion for castro and ross for larue???????????

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
Vatican is saved!

OnBaseMachine
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
EE should have hit for Castro.

You were late again Narron.

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
http://www.pearlfilms.com/photo/FidelwCigar-.JPG Go back to Cuba, Castro!

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
Ross on deck!

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
Encarnacion pinch hits.

Let's :pray: he does just that...

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
I think the fates punished me for crossing a line.

*breaking news* Narron makes a wise decision.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
1-1 count on EE

George Foster
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
EE hits for LaRue

How about EE pinch hiting for Castro, and Havy pinch hitting for Larue???

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
Off speed pitch barely misses count 1-1

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
1-1 on EE

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
PHing EE for Castro would have probably led to EE being kept in the game, using him here allows Jerry to pull him immediately

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
please please please please....

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
1-2 count as Phillips steals 3rd.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:48 PM
BP takes third... 1-2 on EE. No throw.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:49 PM
Phillips steals 3rd

EdE swings and misses

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:49 PM
Turnbow misses outside

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:49 PM
2-2 count

Marc D
07-30-2006, 05:49 PM
personnel moves don't matter, its all about the clubhouse

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
Way high on that one. Full count.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
Turnbow high, count full

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
2-2 count


C'mon EdE...:pray: x2

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
EE walks. 1st and 3rd. Ross pinch hits.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
EE walks; Ross up to bat.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
Walk for EdE

Ross up

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
walk!!

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:50 PM
Watson pinch running for EdE

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Watson running for EE. Wearing #00.

Cyclone792
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
We sure could have used that EE walk with only one out ... oops.

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Good work double E

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Watson to run for EE

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Watson pinch runs for EE.

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Edwin walks.

Kid is good.

Lets go Ross!

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Thank God Wayne DFAed Q, or else you know he'd be in the game somewhere.

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
And Turnbow channels Danny Graves....


:pray: x3

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Turnbow out...Cordero in.

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Turnbow out Cordero in

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
walk!!
If only Castro could have walked...

oneupper
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
EE walks. 1st and 3rd. Ross pinch hits.

Turnbow wanted no part of EE. Guess he thinks highly of him...

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Cordero in to pitch.

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
I can't believe Turnbow is still in there.

edit: well, never mind.

SteelSD
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Turnbow gone. Cordero in.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Cordero coming in.


Damn, he's actually a good pitcher

LoganBuck
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Gotta go!

Gonna have to hear the rest on the Radio

CrackerJack
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Thank God Wayne DFAed Q, or else you know he'd be in the game somewhere.


Castro...Q...Clayton...same difference. :)

HotCorner
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if Cordero threw a wild pitch to let Phillips score? ;)

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Turnbow out Cordero in
Dang...Turnbow's on my fantasy team...I at if the Reds lose I at least wanted the save...

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Guess he thinks highly of him...
Shocking :devil:

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:53 PM
Cordero coming in.


Damn, he's actually a good pitcher


Let's hope notsomuch today. Hell, he can be Cy Young, just give up a hit first ;)


:pray: s'more...

C'mon Redlegs....!!!!!!

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:53 PM
You know Deno has some speed..could PR him as well

Just sayin

corkedbat
07-30-2006, 05:53 PM
Dang! If yost had given Turnbow another 2-3 pitches, I bet he'd have thrown another to the backstop. Of course, that was probably what Yost was thinking too. Hence, the pitching change.

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:54 PM
Dang! If yost had given Turnbow another 2-3 pitches, I bet he'd have thrown another to the backstop. Of course, that was probably what Yost was thinking too. Hence, the pitching change.
Ed Zachary!

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:54 PM
Dang! If yost had given Turnbow another 2-3 pitches, I bet he'd have thrown another to the backstop. Of course, that was probably what Yost was thinking too. Hence, the pitching change.

I know it's hard for us to remember, but some baseball managers are actually logical.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:54 PM
Ross 4 for 6 pinch hitting this year.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:54 PM
Watson steals second.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
2-1 count on Ross. Waton steals 2nd.

oneupper
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
You know Deno has some speed..could PR him as well

Just sayin

I liked him hitting, too!

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Watson steals 2nd.

puca
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Watson pinch runs for EE.

Ankle still bothering him or are the Reds afraid EdE will pull something running the bases. It is not like EdE is slow. I guess if you aren't going to let him play the field anyhow you might as well get your fastest runner in.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
3-1

vaticanplum
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Watson steals second.

Have we had a "scrappy" reference yet?

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
3-1 count on Ross

SirFelixCat
07-30-2006, 05:55 PM
2-1 count on Ross. Waton steals 2nd.

Heady play...

C'mon David!!!

:pray: yet again....

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Lidge gives up the 2 run bomb.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Full count; Ben Sheets looks like he's ready to kill someone.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Full count on Ross

puca
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Watson steals 2nd.


Okay...never mind.

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Ankle still bothering him or are the Reds afraid EdE will pull something running the bases. It is not like EdE is slow. I guess if you aren't going to let him play the field anyhow you might as well get your fastest runner in.
Narron was not going to let EE play D, that's why he didn't send him up for Castro

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Ross got a 3-1 cookie

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Jerry should be fired.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Game over...Ross grounds out.

Reds Fanatic
07-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Ross grounds out. Reds lose 4-3.

Joseph
07-30-2006, 05:57 PM
I loathe David Ross.

max venable
07-30-2006, 05:58 PM
Poop!

KronoRed
07-30-2006, 05:58 PM
Awww crap

OnBaseMachine
07-30-2006, 05:58 PM
Jerry Narron lost another one. I hate him.

reds44
07-30-2006, 05:58 PM
Narron lost this one.

Why do you leave Harang in and let Castro hit for himself?

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 05:59 PM
Yeah, that Cordero's a real choking chump. I would full-swing kick Jerry Narron in the testicles for what he did today.

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 06:00 PM
Jerry should be fired.

Right -- it was all his fault Ben Sheets looked dominant today, and it was all his fault that Aaron Harang decided to hit the wall at pitch 100 as opposed to usual 110-115 range.

The only bad decision he made, IMO, was letting Castro hit -- but that's hardly news that he gives Castro too many ABs.

westofyou
07-30-2006, 06:00 PM
Yeah, that Cordero's a real choking chump.

Wow he struck out a guy who k's a lot... the shock.

No K there... but you get the point

pedro
07-30-2006, 06:00 PM
Jerry Narron lost another one. I hate him.

oh give it a rest.

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:01 PM
Right -- it was all his fault Ben Sheets looked dominant today, and it was all his fault that Aaron Harang decided to hit the wall at pitch 100 as opposed to usual 110-115 range.

The only bad decision he made, IMO, was letting Castro hit -- but that's hardly news that he gives Castro too many ABs.

How was I able to see that Harang was kaput? He labored to finish the previous inning. He's thrown a gazillion pitches this season. I ask you: how does a guy who's getting paid a half a million dollars to do what he does miss that!!?

PuffyPig
07-30-2006, 06:01 PM
Wow he struck out a guy who k's a lot... the shock.

Actually, he hit a ground ball.

Cordero made an out. It was a one out save. Let's not put him in the HOF quite yet.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:01 PM
On a positive note..we're done for the season with the pesky, boring Brewers

oneupper
07-30-2006, 06:02 PM
Wow he struck out a guy who k's a lot... the shock.

Deno looks up at the end of the bench and says "I'm here, skip, I promise I won't flub another pop fly"...

traderumor
07-30-2006, 06:02 PM
Goodbye, Brewers. Now, go help us out the rest of the year.

NJReds
07-30-2006, 06:02 PM
The only bad decision he made, IMO, was letting Castro hit -- but that's hardly news that he gives Castro too many ABs.

I think a lot of folks on the board thought that Harang should've not come out for the 7th. He was at 102 pitches and #2-4 hitters were due up. That was a bad decision, IMO.

VR
07-30-2006, 06:02 PM
Well, the result of Ross's ab wasn't good. But man, he looks like Ted Williams in his plate approach and discipline compared to LaRue right now.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:03 PM
How was I able to see that Harang was kaput? He labored to finish the previous inning. He's thrown a gazillion pitches this season. I ask you: how does a guy who's getting paid a half a million dollars to do what he does miss that!!?

When you proclaim everything stinks from the get-go, eventually you're going to hit one on the head.

You thought he was toast in the 4th when he got into a jam...and just kept proclaiming it until he finally caved.

westofyou
07-30-2006, 06:03 PM
Actually, he hit a ground ball.

Cordero made an out. It was a one out save. Let's not put him in the HOF quite yet.
Yeah, I was distracted by the wife.

BUT now I'll go kill myself. ;)

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 06:03 PM
How was I able to see that Harang was kaput? He labored to finish the previous inning. He's thrown a gazillion pitches this season. I ask you: how does a guy who's getting paid a half a million dollars to do what he does miss that!!?

Because that's what Harang does from innings 5-8: He labors, makes outs and keeps getting off the mat for more.

And, likely, because Harang told him that he still felt good.

And, likely, because Harang usually IS good for about 115 per start.

The Narron bashing is beyond tired.

westofyou
07-30-2006, 06:03 PM
Well, the result of Ross's ab wasn't good. But man, he looks like Ted Williams in his plate approach and discipline compared to LaRue right now.
LaRue led the NL in pitches swung and missed last year (24%)

WVRedsFan
07-30-2006, 06:04 PM
He's toying with the Reds (one of the best offenses in baseball) like a kitty with a mouse.

I think "used to be" needs to be palced before "one of the best..." in that statement. The trade cost us nearly a run per game based on small sample size. Replacing Kearns with Denorfia/Freel and Lopez with Castro/Clayton means you are minus 30 HR right off the bat and that's 30 runs no matter how you look at it.

alloverjr
07-30-2006, 06:04 PM
Well, the result of Ross's ab wasn't good. But man, he looks like Ted Williams in his plate approach and discipline compared to LaRue right now.

Which makes me wonder why he hasn't been starting more this week. LaRue's been atrocious.

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:04 PM
When you proclaim everything stinks from the get-go, eventually you're going to hit one.

Everything? Really?

My prediction from last night was that the Reds would win today.

PuffyPig
07-30-2006, 06:04 PM
Yeah, I was distracted by the wife.



:thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
07-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Well, if it helps any, the Reds wild card lead is about to shrink to 1.5 games. They can't continue to choke away games to bad teams if they want to make the playoffs.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Everything? Really?

My prediction from last night was that the Reds would win today.

Ok..not "everything" ;)

kbrake
07-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Because that's what Harang does from innings 5-8: He labors, makes outs and keeps getting off the mat for more.

And, likely, because Harang told him that he still felt good.

And, likely, because Harang usually IS good for about 115 per start.

The Narron bashing is beyond tired.

I would agree all the complaning gets old, but letting Castro hit is foolish. Narron should take plenty of heat for this loss.

westofyou
07-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Everything? Really?

My prediction from last night was that the Reds would win today.
Mine was that the Times would be on my porch this morning.

I was right.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Well, if it helps any, the Reds wild card lead is about to shrink to 1.5 games. They can't continue to choke away games to bad teams if they want to make the playoffs.


Tell that to the Cardinals

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:06 PM
I would agree all the complaning gets old, but letting Castro hit is foolish. Narron should take plenty of heat for this loss.

If it walks like a duck....

George Foster
07-30-2006, 06:07 PM
I loathe David Ross.

Your kidding right...?

pedro
07-30-2006, 06:07 PM
Is amazing with how brilliant a lot of you are that you're not running baseball organizations yourselves. I mean, wow, I bet a team run by Narron's detractors would be 162-0 because no loss is ever anyones fault but his.

VR
07-30-2006, 06:07 PM
How was I able to see that Harang was kaput? He labored to finish the previous inning. He's thrown a gazillion pitches this season. I ask you: how does a guy who's getting paid a half a million dollars to do what he does miss that!!?

You call it every game. Occasionally, you will be accurate. In Harang's case, you are now 2 for about 12 in calling for his removal. Congrats. His 100-120 ops against was .605. If ever the Reds had a workhorse, Aaron is it.

He is on pace for about 225 innings. This too, is a good thing.

Bad pitchers, bad. Good pitchers, good.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:07 PM
It is funny...when they lose, Jerry Narron lost it...when they win, he doesn't get credit for that.


Just found it interesting...

PuffyPig
07-30-2006, 06:08 PM
Between pitches 106-120 this year Harang had a .624 OPS against coming into todays game.

In similiar situations this year he has thrived.

But not today.

That's baseball.

oneupper
07-30-2006, 06:08 PM
Well, if it helps any, the Reds wild card lead is about to shrink to 1.5 games. They can't continue to choke away games to bad teams if they want to make the playoffs.


When that lead is gone and the REDS are behind in the standings, Krivsky and Castellini will realize that they left Narron in too long!

CTA513
07-30-2006, 06:08 PM
Is amazing with how brilliant a lot of you are that you're not running baseball organizations yourselves. I mean, wow, I bet a team run by Narron's detractors would be 162-0 because no loss is ever anyones fault but his.

My team is already 105-0 this season.

:thumbup:

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:09 PM
You call it every game. Occasionally, you will be accurate. In Harang's case, you are now 2 for about 12 in calling for his removal. Congrats. His 100-120 ops against was .605. If ever the Reds had a workhorse, Aaron is it.

He is on pace for about 225 innings. This too, is a good thing.

Bad pitchers, bad. Good pitchers, good.

You realize that Harang's throwing so many pitches this season he's made near the top of BP's pitcher abuse liist? He and Arroyo both. Narron makes Jack McKeon look like Sparky Anderson.

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 06:10 PM
Is amazing with how brilliant a lot of you are that you're not running baseball organizations yourselves. I mean, wow, I bet a team run by Narron's detractors would be 162-0 because no loss is ever anyones fault but his.

These games are so picked apart that people start to get lost in the forest while looking for the trees.

Everything is Narron's fault -- but in the end, its the players who don't perform.

Jpup
07-30-2006, 06:10 PM
Cubs 6
Cards 2

top 8th

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 06:10 PM
Right -- it was all his fault Ben Sheets looked dominant today, and it was all his fault that Aaron Harang decided to hit the wall at pitch 100 as opposed to usual 110-115 range.

The only bad decision he made, IMO, was letting Castro hit -- but that's hardly news that he gives Castro too many ABs.
Maybe it was his fault that EdE never plays and RA hits cleanup every game no matter who is on the mound. Look at the splits and tell me why RA hits 4th vs RHPs? Why Jr is hitting 3rd vs anyone? How long must we wait until Jr moves down in the order. I realize that both these guys hit HRs in the 9th, but enough is enough. How come Castro didn't get PH for? Maybe Sheets doesn't look as dominant if the order doesn't suck from the get go.

Jpup
07-30-2006, 06:10 PM
These games are so picked apart that people start to get lost in the forest while looking for the trees.

Everything is Narron's fault -- but in the end, its the players who don't perform.

don't you think that sometimes the wrong players get the opportunity?

VR
07-30-2006, 06:11 PM
It is funny...when they lose, Jerry Narron lost it...when they win, he doesn't get credit for that.


Just found it interesting...

I don't know how many times this needs to be covered Matt.

Jerry Narron.... 0-50

Reds Players... 55-0

Get with the program. :thumbup:

kbrake
07-30-2006, 06:11 PM
For those of you defending Narron on this, most of you know on here I dont complain about Narron too much and I'm not a real negative person. That being said Narron flat out screwed up today. He gave away an out in the 9th inning I dont see why you guys continue to defend him.

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:11 PM
These games are so picked apart that people start to get lost in the forest while looking for the trees.

Everything is Narron's fault -- but in the end, its the players who don't perform.

I agree. But how on earth could anyone miss Aaron's huffing and puffing--facing the HEART OF THE DAMN ORDER!!!!

PuffyPig
07-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Well, if it helps any, the Reds wild card lead is about to shrink to 1.5 games. They can't continue to choke away games to bad teams if they want to make the playoffs.
Choke??????????

Thay never lead, and were held scoreless by a picher having one of the best games of the year. THey rallied with 3 runs in the 9th, and had the tying and winnings runs on base when the game ended.

Far from choking, it was almost a great comeback.

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 06:12 PM
It is funny...when they lose, Jerry Narron lost it...when they win, he doesn't get credit for that.


Just found it interesting...
I don't see JN actually doing anything for this team. Just the fact that RA is pre-printed on his lineup card is proof enough that the guy, for the most part, has a hard time at grasping the concept of putting a lineup together.

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 06:13 PM
don't you think that sometimes the wrong players get the opportunity?

Sometimes -- but if someone drives Juan Castro in after his ground rule double, is Narron suddenly a genius for having him in the game?

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 06:13 PM
These games are so picked apart that people start to get lost in the forest while looking for the trees.

Everything is Narron's fault -- but in the end, its the players who don't perform.
It's not that...it's that there are a lot of players that get too many chances not to perform.

RollyInRaleigh
07-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Hindsight is always 20/20.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:14 PM
I don't see JN actually doing anything for this team. Just the fact that RA is pre-printed on his lineup card is proof enough that the guy, for the most part, has a hard time at grasping the concept of putting a lineup together.

I'm not going to say he's a great manger, or he's the ultimate reason this team is winning...but he's not as bad as some people make him out to be

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Sometimes -- but if someone drives Juan Castro in after his ground rule double, is Narron suddenly a genius for having him in the game?

I have no problem at all with leaving Castro in in the ninth. Complaining about that totally misses the point.

George Foster
07-30-2006, 06:14 PM
It is funny...when they lose, Jerry Narron lost it...when they win, he doesn't get credit for that.


Just found it interesting...


When you don't put your best 8 out their to win a series you open yourself up for criticism. No reason why Larue strarts today. No reason why Harrang faces "what's his name," in the seventh, who already had two solid hits off of him.

traderumor
07-30-2006, 06:14 PM
I agree. But how on earth could anyone miss Aaron's huffing and puffing--facing the HEART OF THE DAMN ORDER!!!!Chris Welsh pegged the problem--giving Mench a fastball to hit when he looked foolish on the curve in an earlier at bat when he got him out. It's always easy to look at taking him out after he has a poor inning, Narron actually had to make the decision.

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 06:15 PM
Sometimes -- but if someone drives Juan Castro in after his ground rule double, is Narron suddenly a genius for having him in the game?
No. Maybe if Castro was 4-4 instead of 1-4.

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 06:15 PM
I agree. But how on earth could anyone miss Aaron's huffing and puffing--facing the HEART OF THE DAMN ORDER!!!!

WHY ARE WE YELLING!?

Aaron always huffs and puffs his way through games. That's his poker face. He always looks like he's in need of about 3 cases of Gatorade and a good sit down.

Yet, he usually comes up big in those spots late in games.

Milton, yeah, I'm with you -- get the hook regardless of pitch count.

Harang, he's the stopper, he's been money in these situations throughout the year, I have no problem with sending him out there given how good he'd looked this game.

kbrake
07-30-2006, 06:15 PM
Sometimes -- but if someone drives Juan Castro in after his ground rule double, is Narron suddenly a genius for having him in the game?

What were the odds Castro would get lucky one more time in the 9th? Baseball is a game of numbers and odds are Castro sucks and shouldnt be allowed to hit in a crucial point in any game.

reds44
07-30-2006, 06:15 PM
Sometimes it isn't how many pitches you throw, but in how many innings you throw them.

If Harang had thrown 102 pitches through 8 innings and Jerry let him go out there for 9th it would be a different story. But Aaron had thrown 102 pitches thru 6 innings and had stranded multiple men on base the last 2 innings. He played with fire and got burned.

RollyInRaleigh
07-30-2006, 06:15 PM
Chris Welsh pegged the problem--giving Mench a fastball to hit when he looked foolish on the curve in an earlier at bat when he got him out. It's always easy to look at taking him out after he has a poor inning, Narron actually had to make the decision.

Good point.

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:16 PM
Chris Welsh pegged the problem--giving Mench a fastball to hit when he looked foolish on the curve in an earlier at bat when he got him out. It's always easy to look at taking him out after he has a poor inning, Narron actually had to make the decision.

I called for taking him out before a single pitch was thrown in the 7th. Up over a 100 pitches, he's been abused all season to an almost Dusty-Baker-ish degree...

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:17 PM
When you don't put your best 8 out their to win a series you open yourself up for criticism. No reason why Larue strarts today. No reason why Harrang faces "what's his name," in the seventh, who already had two solid hits off of him.


That's one of my beefs.....the lineups don't make a lot of sense at times.

However, they're still winning more than they're losing.

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:18 PM
Sometimes it isn't how many pitches you throw, but in how many innings you throw them.

If Harang had thrown 102 pitches through 8 innings and Jerry let him go out there for 9th it would be a different story. But Aaron had thrown 102 pitches thru 6 innings and had stranded multiple men on base the last 2 innings. He played with fire and got burned.

Exactly. You are wise beyond your years.

RollyInRaleigh
07-30-2006, 06:18 PM
What is the magic number of pitches that a guy is allowed to throw? How does the individual factor in to that? How many pitches were thrown under exteme pressure?

Marc D
07-30-2006, 06:18 PM
Hindsight is always 20/20.

Agree, problem is most of us could see harang was gassed and shouldn't come out for the 7th. Then after giving up a hit many were first guessing to get him out. Same situation as the Milton fiasco earlier this month.


As tiresome as the Narron bashing is for some, the blind defense of obviously bad decisions is for others.

Caveat Emperor
07-30-2006, 06:18 PM
What were the odds Castro would get lucky one more time in the 9th? Baseball is a game of numbers and odds are Castro sucks and shouldnt be allowed to hit in a crucial point in any game.

Not good -- I said already, it's the one decision in the game that I seriously question. With Derick Turnbow on the mound, you need someone w/ marching orders to go take a walk. Castro isn't that guy.

But to say this loss is "All on Narron" is just foolish.

George Foster
07-30-2006, 06:19 PM
This next homestand....will tell how this season is going to be. 10 games, Dodgers, Braves, Cards. We need to go 6-4.

Jpup
07-30-2006, 06:19 PM
I called for taking him out before a single pitch was thrown in the 7th. Up over a 100 pitches, he's been abused all season to an almost Dusty-Baker-ish degree...

He is one of the top 5 overworked in all of baseball. Think I read that on BP.

Jpup
07-30-2006, 06:19 PM
This next homestand....will tell how this season is going to be. 10 games, Dodgers, Braves, Cards. We need to go 6-4.

they will go 10-0. :cool:

edabbs44
07-30-2006, 06:20 PM
That's one of my beefs.....the lineups don't make a lot of sense at times.

However, they're still winning more than they're losing.
Not since April. 17-8 in April...you do the math.

Falls City Beer
07-30-2006, 06:21 PM
But to say this loss is "All on Narron" is just foolish.

If someone says that, he's wrong. But it's a straw man in my case.

Still, part of being a manager is knowing when to lay on the gas and when to let off.

Right now, Aaron's a 3 year old car with 125,000 miles on it.

pedro
07-30-2006, 06:21 PM
Not good -- I said already, it's the one decision in the game that I seriously question. With Derick Turnbow on the mound, you need someone w/ marching orders to go take a walk. Castro isn't that guy.

But to say this loss is "All on Narron" is just foolish.

yeah, I'm not too big a fan of that one either, but I suppose this is why teh Reds are talking about getting a guy like Craig Wilson. he'd of bee a nice option at that point.

George Foster
07-30-2006, 06:21 PM
That's one of my beefs.....the lineups don't make a lot of sense at times.

However, they're still winning more than they're losing.

Which is even MORE FRUSTRATING!!! How many games over .500 would we be if we had a decent line-up everynignt that made since?

VR
07-30-2006, 06:21 PM
For those of you defending Narron on this, most of you know on here I dont complain about Narron too much and I'm not a real negative person. That being said Narron flat out screwed up today. He gave away an out in the 9th inning I dont see why you guys continue to defend him.

Fine question. He makes plenty of bad decisions in hindsight, in a game that requires 100's of decisions.

At the end of the day, it's more important to look at the big picture, and see the overall record of a team with one of the lower payrolls in the league, no pitching coach, and a AAA collection for a pitching staff.

Matt700wlw
07-30-2006, 06:22 PM
Not since April. 17-8 in April...you do the math.

I hate math :D