7/30 Game Thread - REDS @ BREWERS (Again No EE!)

[Brian]

The lack of playing time for EE is getting to the point of ridiculousness.

Your lineups:

1) Freel - RF
2) Dunn - LF
3) Griffey - CF
4) Aurilia - 3B
5) Hatteberg - 1B
6) Phillips - 2B
7) Castro - SS
8) LaRue - C
9) Harang - P

1) Clark - CF
2) Graffanino - 2B
3) Fielder - 1B
4) Mench - LF
5) Jenkins - RF
6) Bell - 3B
7) Hall - SS
8) Rivera - C
9) Sheets - P

[steig]

the is a great way to keep EdE confident:rolleyes:

[Gandalf the Red]

Well, it is the final chance to showcase Rich... ;)

[Brian]

Wishful thinking. I'd much rather give up a little range and have Rich at SS and EE at 3B. How much of a defensive downgrade could Rich be at SS compared to Clayotn? And, if you have the lead, drop Castro in there the last few frames if you want.

[jimbo]

I don't buy into this damaging EE's "confidence" if he doesn't play theory. Baseball is just as much mental as it is physical, and if EE's mental game is so fragile that he's losing confidence then he'll probably never be a good major league player. If he's strong mentally, he sucks it up, works hard, stays positive, and gets the job done when he does get chances. If he does just that, his time will eventually come.

[westofyou]

10-5 since the break, damn shame that all folks worry about is EE getting at bats.


How much of a defensive downgrade could Rich be at SS compared to Clayotn?

Enough that somehow it hasn't crossed the guys in the dugouts minds.

[Gandalf the Red]

I'm just hoping that the silver lining in Royce's less than stellar defensive play is that it ensures that he won't be back next year.

Hopefully, there wasn't much chance of that to begin with, but you never know...

[Henry Clay]

I more heartened by Clayton's absence than disturbed by EdE's absence. I agree though that Encarnacion should play with the Reds or with Louisville, but not ride the pine with either.

[Brian]

10-5 since the break, damn shame that all folks worry about is EE getting at bats.



Enough that somehow it hasn't crossed the guys in the dugouts minds.

West, I think you're naive if you think they haven't considered it. While Narron doesn't get much credit for being bright, I think he can ponder the idea of Rich at SS.

[justincredible]

Hopefully Bill Hall gets stomach cramps in about 5 minutes and has to leave the game.

[westofyou]

I think he can ponder the idea of Rich at SS.

I ponder the idea of flying a lot..... it ain't happening either.

[redlegs2370]

This ballgame is not starting out well. Sheets lights out and Harang in trouble early.

[redlegs2370]

The lack of playing time for EE is getting to the point of ridiculousness.

Your lineups:

1) Freel - RF
2) Dunn - LF
3) Griffey - CF
4) Aurilia - 3B
5) Hatteberg - 1B
6) Phillips - 2B
7) Castro - SS
8) LaRue - C
9) Harang - P

1) Clark - CF
2) Graffanino - 2B
3) Fielder - 1B
4) Mench - LF
5) Jenkins - RF
6) Bell - 3B
7) Hall - SS
8) Rivera - C
9) Sheets - P
This lineup will not produce any runs. Your basically giving them the outs 6-9.

[redlegs2370]

I think the Brewers have done a better job with their trades so far than any other team in baseball. With Sheets and Ohka coming back this team will be in 2nd place by seasons end.

[goreds2]

With this long inning, I don't see Aaron going too much further than the 6th. (I hope I am wrong ;) )

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

I think the Brewers have done a better job with their trades so far than any other team in baseball. With Sheets and Ohka coming back this team will be in 2nd place by seasons end.

But they don't play us anymore after today....who will they beat? :D

[jimbo]

This lineup will not produce any runs. Your basically giving them the outs 6-9.

It seems like whenever someone makes a prediction like this, the Reds do the opposite.

I don't expect the Reds to score a lot of runs today, but I think it will be more because of Ben Sheets and less the lineup.

[redlegs2370]

But they don't play us anymore after today....who will they beat? :D
That's a good point, but Sheets looks unbeatable.

[redlegs2370]

Will Homer be able to be a Ben Sheets type pitcher for the Reds?

[2001MUgrad]

Edwin needs to play. He needs to bat either 3rd or 4th. You have got to have another bat in there. Right now Griff is horrible. He needs to be dropped to about 6th or 7th. I like RA and Hatteberg. But, RA needs to be a fill in player, not the teams everyday 3rd baseman and cleanup hitter.

[redlegs2370]

That at bat is why Castro shouldn't play no matter how good his defense is. You have to put the ball in play.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Will Homer be able to be a Ben Sheets type pitcher for the Reds?

The guys on FSN Ohio addressed Sheets' development as a pitcher since he came into the league. They noted how he was pretty much a flamethrower initially, but now he can be just as dialed in with the offspeed stuff and control. Today's a great example, as Sheets isn't throwing in the mid-90s, but he's mixing speeds and throwing strikes.

If Homer can keep developing his secondary pitches, I like his chances to do some impressive things. Just make sure it's not Sheets-like in terms of DL stints.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Someone should say it...

Manos de Oro!

[tyguy20204]

People keep questioning Sheets and his durability issues.

Especially in the other game thread.

It's ridiculous and uninformed.

Innings pitched:

2001: 151.3 (Entered the league)
2002: 216.7
2003: 220.7
2004: 237.0
2005: 156.7

2006 is the only season that's really been marred.

To say that you would take Harang over Sheets (as some have said in the other game thread) because Sheets isn't durable is homerism at its best.

[redlegs2370]

Brady Clark is living proof that Jim Bowden can't evaluate baseball talent. Not to mention Paul O'Neil!

[GOREDSGO32]

Wow ... will the Reds even threaten today? I hate losing games like this, you get a good start and absolutely no run support.

[GOREDSGO32]

0-2 count, Hanrang walks .. 0-2 count next batter, a base hit. Sheesh.

[GOREDSGO32]

Harang gets out of it. Comeon, we need a run - start hitting the ball.

[GOREDSGO32]

Double play .. man, this game is frustrating. Teams are going to gain ground if we don't do something .. losing 2 out of 3 to Milwaukee isn't really acceptable, especially after winning the first in the series.

[GOREDSGO32]

Cubs at up on St Louis 5-1 in the 5th inning .. wow is it going to be frustrating if we can't beat the friggin Brewers and take advantage of the Cardinals being swept.

[GOREDSGO32]

3 run HR. I'm turning this crap off. Seriously, if we expect to win a wild card how do you play like this?

[EKURed]

BALLGAME!

Now let's see what they do by 4pm tomorrow. They need a starter and a bat. We'll see if they get either...

[Redleg39]

agreed, Harang was at 107 pitches, why not go to the pen.

[jimbo]

Brady Clark is living proof that Jim Bowden can't evaluate baseball talent. Not to mention Paul O'Neil!

The more I watch Clark, the more I think he is a bush league player. It's amazing how many times he gets away with moving that padded elbow into the path of a pitch. I lost all respect of him when he drilled Ross at home plate with his back turned to him. I'd love to see a Reds pitcher put a fastball in his back. Too bad Arroyo missed the one time he tried, I think he's the only Reds pitcher who actually protects his teammates.

[jimbo]

3 run HR. I'm turning this crap off. Seriously, if we expect to win a wild card how do you play like this?

Play like what? They are facing one of the best pitchers in the league. Harang doesn't have his best stuff today, it happens. This game is far from over.

[Newman4]

agreed, Harang was at 107 pitches, why not go to the pen.

Damn Narron does it again. What's wrong with a starter pitching 6 solid innings? He pulled that crap with Milton a couple weeks ago. Stupid. :thumbdown

[Cedric]

The more I watch Clark, the more I think he is a bush league player. It's amazing how many times he gets away with moving that padded elbow into the path of a pitch. I lost all respect of him when he drilled Ross at home plate with his back turned to him. I'd love to see a Reds pitcher put a fastball in his back. Too bad Arroyo missed the one time he tried, I think he's the only Reds pitcher who actually protects his teammates.

I actually agree with you on that. Clark and Biggio are the same way. People hate Bonds for the armor but they give players like Clark and Biggio a free pass because they are scrappy.

[jimbo]

Damn Narron does it again. What's wrong with a starter pitching 6 solid innings?

Harang is the ace of the staff and is putting up numbers that puts him up there with the best in the league. It makes plenty of sense that you have enough confidence to stick with him.

[redsupport]

keep playing larue, thats the ticket

[Newman4]

Harang is the ace of the staff and is putting up numbers that puts him up there with the best in the league. It makes plenty of sense that you have enough confidence to stick with him.

Good thing you're not the manager is the only think I can think to say without insulting your intelligence. :rolleyes:

100+ pitches TO BEGIN THE INNING, first two batters get hits to lead off the 7th inning, guy up is 2 for 3 off Harang, next guy is a LH hitter, shall I go on?
Poor.Poor.Poor.

[dman]

Well, Tackleberry's coming in, so now I guess we can concede the ballgame

[Newman4]

keep playing larue, thats the ticket

Narron also runs out there Larue and Castro against the Cerv-blah-blahs-os, or whatever they are that day's ace pitcher. Great job skip.

[EKURed]

I'm so happy and thankful for no more trips into Milwaukee. I hate watching games there...even when the Reds win...

[mbgrayson]

keep playing larue, thats the ticket

I agree.... Larue now down to .195! Two strikeouts, and his intentional walk was to get to the only slightly lower average of Aaron Harang....

As I said the other day ( http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49300 ) we HAVE to get rid of one of these catchers. No consistency. Also can't be good for morale. I can't help but wonder how Ross's numbers would hold up if he was playing more....

[dman]

Well, Tackleberry's coming in, so now I guess we can concede the ballgame
I stand corrected, he made it through without a scratch

[Sean_CaseyRules]

Griff 2-Run HOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jesusfan]

Well... Now we score in the 9th when its 4-0...

[Sean_CaseyRules]

Wooo, now here comes Napoleon!!! Let's light him up baby!

[jimbo]

Good thing you're not the manager is the only think I can think to say without insulting your intelligence. :rolleyes:


LOL, ok man. Nothing like starting off your response with a personal attack as opposed to simply saying why you disagree.

[redlegs7089]

hopefully Turnbow is not back to normal just yet

[jesusfan]

Turnbow will blow this!!

[jesusfan]

HR! 4-3 Game!!

[Sean_CaseyRules]

Aurilia HOMER!!!! 4-3 REDS COMIN BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Petitt33]

RICHIE HOMER!!!!

4-3 ballgame

[dman]

Did anybody hear Marty say that Turnbow looks like an unmade bed last night on the broadcast?

[redlegs7089]

Aurilia HOMER!!!! 4-3 REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Correction 4-3 Brewers

I dunno if u meant to do that

[jesusfan]

C'mon Hatte lead it off here...

[Sean_CaseyRules]

Lol sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound like that, just was kinda really happy to see the homer i wasnt paying attention

[Newman4]

Did anybody hear Marty say that Turnbow looks like an unmade bed last night on the broadcast?

Good call :D

[jimbo]

Did anybody hear Marty say that Turnbow looks like an unmade bed last night on the broadcast?

Yeah, I heard that.....pretty funny. :laugh:

[jesusfan]

C'mon BP... do something right here...

[jesusfan]

why in the world would you swing at that horrible 2-0 pitch!!

[jesusfan]

Wow... Nuke Laloosh!!

[redlegs7089]

Turnbow just pulled a Randy Johnson

[He's Dunn It]

Just hit the bull kid...and don't ask questions.

I love this 'roid Turnbow guy. I think Wayne secretly traded for him and he's a Red but still pitching for the Brewers

Let's Go!

[jesusfan]

BP is popping every ball up.... He's going for the HR

[jesusfan]

BP Walks.... C'mon now, lets tie this baby up!

[Sean_CaseyRules]

Just hit the bull kid...and don't ask questions.


LOL if were going to be technical, he wouldve been hitting a sausage, lol

[jesusfan]

Castro still batting.... Please PH for LaRue...

[He's Dunn It]

Great AB!

He's fouling off the high strike Jesus Fan...not looking to go yard

[EKURed]

Where is Encarnacion?? Why not use him to pinch hit for Castro??

[jesusfan]

Great AB!

He's fouling off the high strike Jesus Fan...not looking to go yard

ok... lol Thanks for letting me know... lol

[gitrdunn44]

EE says hi:wave:

[Newman4]

Bp Sb

[jesusfan]

BP stolen base!!

[gitrdunn44]

Phillips steals 2nd!

[gitrdunn44]

1-2 count on Juan.

[jesusfan]

BP going again... but Castro fouls it off...

[jesusfan]

Castro fouls back... C'mon, let's get a little single here...

[Newman4]

EE says hi:wave:

Dave Ross sends his regards as well. :) :bang:

[jesusfan]

Castro fouls back a tough pitch... Good AB...

[jesusfan]

Castro K's.... shoot, 2 down...

[gitrdunn44]

Please pinch with with EE!

[mbgrayson]

Ee!

[jesusfan]

I feel for EE.... hard to come off the bench and PH in the 9th of a 4-3 game, guy on 2nd, 98 MPH heaters coming at ya... C'mon EE!!!

[EKURed]

Why not use EE for Castro and Ross for Larue? Is it really that hard?????????

[dman]

Castro K's.... shoot, 2 down...
Castro was way outmatched by Turnbow there. I would've considered risking a squeeze bunt to get BP over to 3rd.

[goreds2]

Come on EE!!

[Newman4]

EE up with Ross on deck....Jerry's a little slow on the draw in this gunfight.

[jesusfan]

Phillips swipes 3rd... C'mon EE!!! 2 strikes..

[gitrdunn44]

Am I the only one about to pass out?

[jesusfan]

Let's Go Ross!!! C'mon tie this baby up....

[jesusfan]

Turnbow out... Cordero in... Let's rough him up now!

[justincredible]

Watching the play-by-play on MLB Gameday is killing me. The suspense is causing my heart to race like crazy.

[jesusfan]

By the way.. Lidge just blows the lead for the Stros' now 7-5 D-Backs...

[jesusfan]

Ball 1

[Newman4]

By the way.. Lidge just blows the lead for the Stros' now 7-5 D-Backs...

I heard Lidge mentioned in some trade rumors this week. He's a head case.

[jesusfan]

1-1 now.. Watson steals 2nd... C'mon hit scores 2...

[gitrdunn44]

JustinCredible... I'm watching on GameDay too and the supense is making my heart beat fast.

[jesusfan]

2-1 count

[jesusfan]

3-1 count.. C'mon baby, Ross! Crank this one!

[jesusfan]

3-2 count.. C'mon baby, Ross! Crank this one!

[jesusfan]

Huge Pitch... wow.. Pressure packed... let's see what you have Ross...

[jesusfan]

well... there goes another one... 55-50 now...

[justincredible]

Game over.

[jesusfan]

Well... I guess LaRue's just gonna sit in the dugout thinking he should've been up to bat instead of EE, yeah check out your .195 AVG!

[jesusfan]

Well... The D-backs are about to win in Houston, so we are now 1 1/2 games up on the WC, it's gonna be like this the rest of the year.. up and down, up and down...

[goreds2]

well... there goes another one... 55-50 now...

Here's to a good homestand. :pray:

[GOREDSGO32]

Here you D-backs, take the wildcard, we don't deserve it.

[jimbo]

Here you D-backs, take the wildcard, we don't deserve it.

See ya next season! :wave: